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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to get the rest of the roster where

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Speaker 1: they need it to be fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on because we're gonna we're stuck here.

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Speaker 1: You just want to talk about you guys playing catch.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to talk about football.

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Speaker 2: One, That's exactly what it is. Well, we definitely get

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Speaker 2: to talk about two guys playing catch today.

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Speaker 1: Definitely. That's all non padded practice.

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Speaker 2: This is literally all all it is is two guys

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Speaker 2: playing catch and shorts and a T shirt and a helmet.

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Speaker 2: Not not to come out here and say that you

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Speaker 2: over all of our notes from that two hour session

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Speaker 2: this morning of shorts and a T shirt and a helmet.

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Speaker 2: But the point is is, and I wanted to make

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Speaker 2: this point anyways because I feel, as I say this

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Speaker 2: every year and you're gonna make fun of me when

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Speaker 2: I say this, but every year that we do this

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Speaker 2: and this is what let's just tell everybody how old

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Speaker 2: we are. Year seven for both of us. We started

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Speaker 2: the same year, So this is year seven for both

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Speaker 2: of us, which is have.

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Speaker 1: We been doing this longer than most of the guys

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Speaker 1: be about we got to be getting there. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the average NFL career is like five six years.

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Speaker 2: It does. It does dawn on me now when we

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Speaker 2: than all these guys at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was chatting with so I did the pre

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Speaker 1: to talks reporters and they had Sony Michelle go before me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tough act to follow, and we're waiting.

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Speaker 2: I was chatting to have a Super Bowl ring.

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Speaker 1: I was chatting with him. Very nice guy, by the way,

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Speaker 1: very nice guys. I'm chatting with him and we were like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember you're there's like ye oh yeah, your first

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Speaker 1: He's now out of the league. He's living his life

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Speaker 1: doing business. Good for him, But yeah, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been doing this a minute. We've been doing

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Speaker 2: and you want to have takes, you want to have opinions,

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Speaker 2: you want to start formulating your roster projection and all

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Speaker 2: these different things. But the reality of the situation is

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Speaker 2: that we are not even scratching the surface of real football.

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Speaker 2: And the thing that Dawn's on me with this as well.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this a little bit on the

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Speaker 2: Live show yesterday. On pu last year, we went out

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Speaker 2: those joint practices were relatively even two teams. The Patriots

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Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot about how the offense had

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Speaker 2: the roller coaster of the Patriots training camp this year,

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Speaker 1: Right, how you feel about Taekwon Evan exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying so hard not to.

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Speaker 1: Let's make the big point, then the.

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Speaker 2: Big point, and I'm not doing a good job of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just on the big picture of the

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Speaker 1: There's information here, there's important information here. It's just not

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Speaker 1: that's both from the coaches and the players. So most

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Speaker 1: but you never know what the rookie, it's really easy

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Speaker 1: but all the quarterbacks did because of the line. Again.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm more interested in the approach, in

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the real football that comes on Monday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: before camp. You can still check it out. In ninety

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Speaker 1: thought might surprise for a roster spot, Guys that aren't

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Speaker 1: So that to me is more what you take away

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Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing that all play out in terms

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Speaker 2: And that's the evaluation period is starting on Monday, and

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Speaker 2: that's that's all where I'm coming from. The main thing

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah. The even though there there are some concerns

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Speaker 2: as always is the email address. And I have a

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Speaker 1: Well, Gibson got activated today. So is he officially activated?

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Speaker 2: He was on the field in uniform and he went

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they well we'll find out what the wire

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Devon Godshaw is in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: But bottom line is is he was out there yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Godshaw is either holding in or is dealing with something minor.

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Speaker 2: do you stand right now currently with what they should

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Speaker 2: do with Davon Gotcha Because I think Matthew Judon's playing ball.

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Speaker 2: you feel a things stand with Devon Gotshaw right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's intangibles. I think it's as a like

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Speaker 2: I just think from an on field perspective.

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Speaker 2: You just you can't bow down to everybody, right like

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Speaker 2: like Paul had been worried about with these contract extensions. Internally,

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Speaker 1: So when they were giving out all these extensions, people said, well,

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Speaker 2: He might be the line that might be it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's nothing against him. That's just for where

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Speaker 1: Keep the book, Sevan, keep on keeping the books.

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Speaker 2: Pop. Douglas hasn't really been practicing on the last two days.

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Speaker 1: You want my theory on this, I do want you.

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Speaker 1: I would call it a theory, not even a take.

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Speaker 1: I would call it a theory. They're gonna bury him again.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year he had like two great weeks of camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But everybody already knows what he is. Like, what's the

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Speaker 1: He's going to be more.

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Speaker 1: I think part of it is he's going to be more,

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Speaker 1: Go right, he had the zoomies today at practice. He's

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Speaker 1: Like, I think they're burying him again. So they're hiding him,

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Speaker 2: They're not burying him because burying him, that's true, that's

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, burying to him to me is like to

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Speaker 1: It's not a take, it's a theory.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's an interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that because,

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Speaker 2: it is very abundantly clear that Pop Douglas is a

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Speaker 1: So maybe that's part of the reason why this time

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Speaker 2: Managing the body blow.

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Speaker 1: You're good, You're good, we know what you can do. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I like that theory, So Barmore, we mentioned the illness

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Speaker 2: There fair enough and Martin Mopoo, Marte Mapoo, there we go.

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Speaker 1: But here's I'm not sitting here telling you I think

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Speaker 2: My take on that is kind of evolving, but I

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Speaker 2: that's the new strong side linebacker. There is no more

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00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 2: strong side linebacker, right like you have in a nickel,

434
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: you have five defensive backs. You're not necessarily playing you know,

435
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 2: three or four linebackers anymore. So, the nickel or the

436
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 2: slock corner is point is at the point of attack

437
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: a lot in the run game. So over the last

438
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: couple of years, whether it was Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones,

439
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant, the Patriots just haven't had a ton of

440
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: size in that spot and their run defense hasn't necessarily

441
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: taken a huge hit because of it. But I wonder

442
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 2: if Marte Mophu's destiny on this team is to be

443
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: like a nickel safety where you know, the guy that

444
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: comes to mind for me is Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's

445
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: probably one of the best added in the league. You

446
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: know at times, I guess you could make the argument

447
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: that Honey Badger plays that type of role as well,

448
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 2: but it does it a little bit in his own way.

449
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: But you're talking about I like the idea of discussing

450
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: having a bigger body on first, just on early doubts. Sure,

451
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: And now if you play a team that's a spread

452
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: team that's eleven personnel and they have three receivers on

453
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: the field ninety five percent of the time, and they're

454
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: in the gun all the time, like you know, you

455
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: don't need to. Then it's a game plan player against

456
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: these Shanahan Tree offenses that are gonna be heavy, that

457
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: are gonna be under center, that are gonna want to

458
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: run the ball at you, and is somebody that is

459
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: a little bit girthier, a little bit stronger at the

460
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: point of attack. Because I like what I've seen from

461
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones in coverage in the slots so.

462
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: Far, He's been good.

463
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 2: He's been one of their better players on the field.

464
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: He's definitely their best man coverage option in that role

465
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: right now to play in the slot. But on first down,

466
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: does he all of a sudden become a target for teams,

467
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: especially teams like Miami the Jets who are running this

468
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: type of offense now with Hackett, Like those teams are

469
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: going to look at that and they're gonna say, we

470
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: are going to put Marcus Jones at the point of

471
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Speaker 2: attack in the run game, and we are going to

472
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: make Marcus Jones defeat blocks and make tackles to set

473
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: the edge of the defense. That to me is not

474
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: gonna end well for the Patriots. So I do wonder

475
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: if Marte mop Who's destiny is a nickel safety, because

476
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: he's not gonna play deep. He's really not gonna play

477
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: the Kyle Duggart rover role either, right, like that that's taken.

478
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: He's blocked to play like a true box safety's there's

479
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: two guys ahead of him on the depth chart to

480
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: play that kind of role, and Jabriel Peppers and Kyle Duggar,

481
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: and they still don't seem totally gung ho about him

482
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: playing at the second level full time.

483
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Speaker 1: Uh real quick. First, Phil Perry tooted out two hours ago.

484
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Douglas is dealing with a hand injury. So there

485
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: goes my theory. But to your point about Marte Mottswain

486
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: was the right exactly. That's why it wasn't take to

487
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: your point about Martini Mapu, which I think is interesting

488
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: in the in the context of this defense, Like you said,

489
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily had that big, strong side run presence

490
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: at the second level, but they play a very They

491
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: have played a very disciplined, edge set aware defense with

492
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise or whoever's over there, Lawrence guy. At times

493
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: in the past they had a guy whose primary job

494
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: was to do that.

495
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Jennings, if you want to go for a route, YEA.

496
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: So now they've talked about playing this more aggressive defense.

497
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: Maybe those guys aren't as concerned with contained and they're

498
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: more concerned about penetrating. If that's the case, now you

499
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: are exposing Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, whoever's in the slot

500
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: more and that's where a player like Marte mop who

501
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: could come in.

502
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly. We just kind of connected the

503
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: dots for each other because I just feel like, yes,

504
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: against certain matchups, if you're gonna play a team that's

505
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 2: that deploys a true slot receiver, like I'll just give

506
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: you examples, because it's easier. When you play Buffalo and

507
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: Khalios Shakir is in the slot, you're not gonna have

508
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: Marte Mopho covering Khalios shaker Like. That's that's a bad

509
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: matchup for the Patriots. It's a receiver against the safety,

510
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: slash lineback, whatever you want to call them, right, it's

511
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: a bad matchup. That's a more of a matchup for

512
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, or maybe Alex Austin breaks into the top

513
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: three and Jonathan Jones covers Shakira or whatever the case

514
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: may be. But when you get into these Dolphins Jets,

515
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: you know San Francisco, which they'll play this year. Those

516
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: types of teams they are going to run a lot

517
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: more a twenty one or twelve. They're gonna be more

518
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 2: heavy personnel, and then you can match heavy with heavy

519
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: and maybe be in like a three safety nickel. And

520
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: if you're in a three safety nickel, maybe Marte Mapu

521
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: is your is your third safety as the nickel safety.

522
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: That to me is a really good idea. It's a theory,

523
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: a really good theory for Marte Mapu. He's gotta be healthy.

524
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: Whatever happened with him today, I don't know. And second

525
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: to that, I do think that there is a world

526
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: where that is a somewhat limited role, where it's a

527
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: strictly game plan style thing. And if that's the case,

528
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: then he might only be a thirty thirty five percent

529
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: snap guy at the end of the year, and then

530
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna have the conversation of, well, he was a

531
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: top one hundred pick and he's not playing well.

532
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: If he's here, play him where he's gonna help you

533
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: the most, or don't play him if that's what's gonna

534
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: help you the most. Like he's here, we can bemoan

535
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: the draft pick all we want, but in the context

536
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four Patriots, oh well then they

537
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't have taken him. Doesn't do anything fair enough, So

538
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: you gotta at this point, it's up to Gerard Mayo

539
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Covington to figure out where can this guy

540
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: help us the most or just understand, yes, he was

541
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: a third round pick, but we don't have a role

542
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: for him, so we're just gonna leave him on special

543
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: teams because that's what's best for the football team.

544
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've always just loved Chauncey Gardner Johnson's game. He

545
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: has a good player. I think he's a dog he plays.

546
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got another I'm sure he's a nice guy,

547
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: but he's got another level of angry an a hole

548
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: in him when he's on the field.

549
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: He's a dog. And I feel like the league in

550
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, has trended in this direction because

551
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: of all these Shanahan inspired teams. You just can't get

552
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: away with having a hundred and eighty pound corner on

553
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: the field in the slot anymore.

554
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Like well, I even just like I looked him up

555
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: when you said that, and he's listed at toh five

556
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: eleven to eight. I would have guessed he's playing closer

557
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: to to twenty the way he plays.

558
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I mean, dude, all right really quickly, So

559
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: going back to Antonio Gibson, this is something that we

560
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: have talked about a ton on this show, and you

561
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when we were doing one

562
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: of those offseason shows we got we got into a

563
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: discussion about, wow, I care me Evan, I care about

564
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: RB three on this team and has hell frozen over?

565
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: Like what's going on here? Right? Like the RBS don't matter?

566
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Guy cares about running backs. This is exactly why, because

567
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: for the first two days of training camp, Antonio Gibson

568
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: has not participated. Now, the good news is that girod

569
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: Mayo doesn't feel like it's serious, and he was out

570
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: there today in uniform from briefly stretched then he disappeared

571
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: to the conditioning field. But that does usually signal that

572
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: he's getting closer, right, Like it's not going to be

573
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: a long term absence, like he's not going to be

574
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: out for the year or anything like that, Like he's

575
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: gonna play. So with that being said, though, it has

576
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: opened the door to the fact that they do not

577
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of proven running back depth behind Rermandra,

578
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: Stevenson and Gibson. So we're back to this whole thing again.

579
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: You know, do they have a guy on the roster

580
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: that we feel like can carve out a role as

581
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: the third running back? Do they have a guy that

582
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: they can keep around, whether it's on the active roster,

583
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: the practice squad, is a fourth running back?

584
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Like?

585
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: Do they have enough running backs?

586
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: Right?

587
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: It's really what I'm trying to say, period, And uh,

588
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: something tells me that this might end with Elliot Wolf

589
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: having to get on the horn and calling in a

590
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: veteran running back that has some NFL experience.

591
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. They worked out uh Monday. Do

592
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: you remember to Meetric Felton.

593
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's funny.

594
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: So we were big to Meetric Felton guys in the

595
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: draft that year.

596
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: We were big, and I was a big Antonio Gibson guy.

597
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a Spider Man meme situation. They're

598
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: they're pretty similar players.

599
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: They're Felton's much smaller.

600
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: But they're in terms of how they've been were used

601
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: in college. I remember them being pretty similar.

602
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: We kind of Felton was a converted receiver Felton Playnio Gibson. Oh,

603
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: that's right, he was. Yeah, it's just much big. I

604
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: just think it was much bigger as felt and small.

605
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: But he can turn kicks and things like that. And

606
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: he played for Van Pelt for two years in Cleveland.

607
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: So a guy like that, I would take Felton over

608
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: any of the third options they have, unless they want

609
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: just a bowling ball, in which case Felton's definitely not

610
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the guys like one hundred and eighty pounds is.

611
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Really that small? I gotta look this up.

612
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I might be maybe he's I think he's like five

613
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: eight one ninety five ninety five.

614
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying. Okay, so yeah, so he's smaller

615
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: than I thought he was. Yeah, okay, so he's he's

616
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: definitely more quick. Yeah, he's definitely more of like a

617
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: scatback type. Yeah, like Antonio Gibson's fast, really fastened a

618
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: straight line is explosive.

619
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about Felton in that draft as

620
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: being like a potential James White replacement.

621
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't It doesn't surprise me at all

622
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: that their call was to Demitric Felton for that workout

623
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: when they weren't one hundred percent sure of what was

624
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: going on with Antonio Gibson because I do think stylistically

625
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: they should fit into similar roles within the confines of

626
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: the offense. But I guess it's one of the those

627
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: things of like why not both right? You know, I

628
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: hear you. I mean the way that I've seen it,

629
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: and I you know, I probably haven't done as good

630
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: of a job as tracking this because we've been on

631
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: the air for the first two practices, but it seems

632
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: like Kevin Harris is getting the lion Sharon's Yeah, the

633
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: most three reps right now hasn't been a whole lot

634
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: of Jamichael Hasty Nope as of right now, and it

635
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: hasn't been a whole lot of was.

636
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: It Sean haven't seen him? And then Charrell Jennings on pups.

637
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: Right, So where's our confidence level with Kevin Harris.

638
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: I gotta see him in the pads, come on. I mean,

639
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen much from him, but he's a two

640
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds downhill running back like it doesn't

641
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: really matter with him till the pass going. He did

642
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: drop a screen today, I think or misplayed a ball

643
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: on a screen, But yeah, you're not throwing him screens.

644
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: He's not on the field to catch screens. He's on

645
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the field to put his helmet in some guy's chest

646
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: and push him backwards. So we'll see. I mean, I've

647
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: liked the flashes, there's just been so few and far between.

648
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Speaker 1: And that's not his fault. He hasn'ten given a ton

649
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Speaker 1: of opportunities. But where's he at in year three?

650
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Speaker 2: Right?

651
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, where's his development at? And I just think

652
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: having another option and a guy like Felton would make

653
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: a lot of sense.

654
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: It's a very very small sample size for him in

655
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: the NFL. I think it's seventeen career carries or something

656
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: like that. It's if maybe that was one year. It's

657
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 2: not a lot and I shouldn't do these things off

658
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: the top of my head anymore because my memory is

659
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: not that great. But he hasn't had a lot of

660
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: carries or opportunities in the NFL. It is.

661
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Thirty four carries eighteen two years ago, sixteen last.

662
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: Year I had, I was right in the middle. I

663
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: knew seventeen was my average.

664
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Speaker 1: Seventeen carries a year, yes.

665
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Speaker 2: So it's not a small a large sample size, but

666
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: his yards after contact data as a rookie was decent.

667
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Well, But he had that one run in Arizona.

668
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: He had one run in Arizona. That's probably to that

669
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: brought up the sample size right right. But he's had

670
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: moments and he's had moments in preseason games as well.

671
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: He's not he's not a big play explosive guy. He's

672
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: a bowling ball. He's you know, a big back that's

673
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: going to that's going to run people over. But as

674
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: a between the tackles running back, he should be able

675
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: to get the job done in a pinch. It's not

676
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: it's not a great option. Like I'm not sitting here

677
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: and tell you that they have tremendous running back depth.

678
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: But with the way that we the way that we

679
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: know running back value is equated, is he one of

680
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: those guys that can just get what's blocked right? Like

681
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: I always call it the Ben Jarvis greenellis, like, can

682
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: he just get the four yards that's there and fumble

683
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: and not fumble and every once in a while maybe

684
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 2: he breaks a tackle or runs over somebody for an

685
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: extra couple of yards and we're in business, Like that's

686
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: all you're really looking for out of that spot. I

687
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: think that's possible. If you're looking for somebody that's a

688
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: little bit more explosive, that's going to be a little

689
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: bit more dynamic, then maybe you're calling Demetric Felton or

690
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: somebody else. Right, So emailer will emails and ask, you know,

691
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: talking about the running backs. A couple of emails about

692
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: these actually outs to us about the running backs and the.

693
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Only show's gonna talk about I tried to get Felger

694
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: to talk about it last week, so it's like pins

695
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: in his eyes.

696
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that I've been reluctant to

697
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: talk about it too, because you know how I feel

698
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: about the running game. Yeah, but I have to be honest,

699
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: and that is that they're going to run the ball.

700
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: It's going to be a big part of their offense. Yep.

701
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm not totally gung ho about it, but that's what

702
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: they are going to do.

703
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: You're doing your job, as I always say, it's your

704
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: job having do it.

705
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: And just like in Cleveland, which we've seen in Cleveland

706
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: over the years with Nick Chubb and some of their

707
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: other backs, they drop like flies sometimes and all of

708
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're on, who is that guy that had

709
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: that big Thursday night game in Cleveland a couple of

710
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: years ago that I'm breaking up a God, we should

711
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: remember this, but yeah, you know it's like you you

712
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: pull somebody off the street and all of a sudden,

713
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: he's got one hundred and fifty yard game, right like that.

714
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: Those types of guys are important and over the course

715
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: of seventeen games. It's not what you're banking on your

716
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 2: whole season, but if you need a spot start here

717
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: and there, that needs to happen. He did get some

718
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: carries for them last year, yeah, without but no, not

719
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Speaker 2: the the guy I'm thinking of is not your own

720
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: form is a couple of years ago. It wasn't last year.

721
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I think it's two or three years ago.

722
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: But the emailer asks a question that I feel like

723
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: we've been asked a million times about running backs, and

724
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: that that's Kareem Hunt. And yes, he does have the

725
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: experience in Cleveland with alex Van Pelton. It's a it's

726
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: a it's an obvious connection, but I still remain skeptical

727
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: that organizationally, Kareem Hunt is going to be of interest.

728
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, it was to Ernest Johnson, AAF Legends, the Orlando.

729
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: Apollos Dearrenis Johnson on Hunt.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, there's organizationally doesn't make a lot

731
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: of sense. I've read some things. I don't know how

732
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: much I believe them. I've seen a couple people list

733
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb as like a surprise camp cut. What right.

734
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know where that's coming from.

735
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: That's what happening.

736
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't even be twenty four hours before

737
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: he's here. If that happens, that's not happening. I'm telling

738
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: you what I saw.

739
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's not the best running backs in the league.

740
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know if they're thinking, like new offensive

741
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff and he's coming off the knee and whatever's.

742
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Coming off one of the more gruesome knee injuries we've

743
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: seen in the last couple of years in the league.

744
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: Like that was brutal injury that he had, so maybe,

745
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember that it came out at

746
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: like I don't know if it was him or somebody else.

747
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: I got ahold of the of the X ray and

748
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: the MRI I from that knee injury, and it's just

749
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: like a n No, I'm pretty sure that was real.

750
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are talking about him as like a potential

751
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: trade candidate. And that's wild A couple of places.

752
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: That's wild.

753
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's they'd be dumb do it. They'd be dumb

754
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: to do it, like I wouldn't count on it. That

755
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't be plan a.

756
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: No, they it's an honest, fair question to have about

757
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: their running back depth.

758
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: I'll give you one while we're on this, all right,

759
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: So they're not gonna I don't think they're gonna move

760
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: on from Chubb. Maybe he opens the season on pup. Yeah,

761
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: but but you know they have Jerome Ford, solid player,

762
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: they have daunt the foreman, solid player, Like they are

763
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: kind of deep. There a running back behind him, Naim

764
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: Hines as they have me. He's on a five they have. Um,

765
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: you call about Pierre Strong or if he gets cut

766
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: like they had, Pelt clearly wanted him.

767
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: It's a better fit.

768
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: It's a better fit.

769
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: It's a better fit. This is the offense that they

770
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: drafted Pierre Strong.

771
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: I would absolutely take Pierre Strong back if that opportunity

772
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: put himself and he was decent for them last year.

773
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised they made a couple of plays

774
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: with them last year. Elliot Wolf Macroe still here. Yeah,

775
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: twenty two draft class. That was the offense that they

776
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: drafted him and Cole Strange and taikwad Thornton to be

777
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: a part of was to be more outside zone heavy,

778
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: and that's told they were trying to do that with Patricia.

779
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: It's possible. That's a good call like that. That's probably

780
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: if he's fallows out of favor there, if he's a

781
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: cut candidate, could they retrade him back to the Patriots,

782
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, like obviously for a very minimal compensation. Yeah,

783
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: but something along those lines. Not a bad shout, Not

784
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: a bad shout. All right, let's take some of these

785
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: phone calls and then we'll get to some of our

786
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: other practice notes. I just want to point out there's

787
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: no other show, there's no other Patriots show that's gonna

788
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: go forty minutes nowhere without talking about the quarterbacks. We

789
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: went forty minutes without even mentioning Drake May's name. I

790
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: think I think I talked about him very briefly.

791
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: That that's what we do here. We talked about the

792
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: third running back and the nose tackle, and.

793
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: You can maybe linebacker safety and.

794
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Us trying to you know, put our our coaches hats

795
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: on and talk about Martin Hapu's role and you can

796
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: save your quarterback talk. That's what we take it. Elsewhere.

797
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: Where's our awards?

798
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: All right? Matthew is in Virginia? What's up, Matthew? Matthew? Hello, Hey,

799
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: how's it going right?

800
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

801
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: Yes? Go for it.

802
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: So I just have two questions for you guys. The

803
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: first one is, uh, did you guys see Gonzo? Was

804
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: he looking good out there today? I know he's coming

805
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: off that shoulder injury, but you know, if he's he's

806
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: looking good, I have a lot of faith he can

807
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: be a top five corner. And the second thing is,

808
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to college this year. I just graduated

809
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: high school. I'm going into college for journalism. I'm hoping

810
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: to be a sports journalist. Do you guys have any

811
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: tips for maybe a new starting sports journalist or want

812
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: to be beat reporter?

813
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, thanks for the call, Matthew. So we'll answer

814
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: both questions that The first question with Christian Zaz, he's

815
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: been out there and participating in full, which is for

816
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: right now is all I wanted to see.

817
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: It's all you gotta say. And I asked him about

818
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: that after practice today. Just with that, you know, is

819
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: it nice to be back out there. So it's the

820
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: best feeling in the world.

821
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

822
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: So and he's moving well and all that. Like, Yeah,

823
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to downplay. I mean, he had a

824
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: serious injury, but upper body injuries, lower body injuries, they're different,

825
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: especially for corners.

826
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been healthy for quite some time. Yeah. Yeah,

827
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: so he he's good to go. He looks pretty smooth

828
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: out there. I would say he's probably still getting his

829
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: sea legs a little bit. You know, he's let up

830
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: a catch in front of him to Jalen Polk today.

831
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: Not anything to like panic about or anything like that,

832
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: but I I feel like, you know, in terms of

833
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: just getting back into the swing of things. You know,

834
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: he's gonna maybe be a beat behind, But for right now,

835
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: the most important thing is that he's physically out there,

836
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: looks the part, looks like Christian Gonzalez moving around grade

837
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: and is healthy and that's the most important thing, all right, quickly,

838
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: one piece of advice.

839
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Uh, don't say no to any opportunity. Nothing's blow you,

840
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: nothing's too small, nothing's whatever, or even just the more

841
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: you're saying yes, people know that all right, I can

842
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: count on this person. He's available, he's willing all that.

843
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: So I remember coming back from spring break Evan Ethic

844
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: of college and getting a text that they needed somebody

845
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: to fill a six twenty six am sports update shift

846
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: on the radio. This is like a five minute shift.

847
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: You read a report, you're done, and I said yes,

848
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: because that's just what you do. And afterwards somebody say, hey,

849
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: you don't really appreciate you filling in for that, Like

850
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: we noticed that things like that, So uh, never, the

851
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: word no should not be a part of your vocabulary professionally.

852
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: You walk that walk by the way, because you're on

853
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: like seventeen different podcasts.

854
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: This is my second or four shows to Yeah, that's

855
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: not advice or somebody going into college. This is just

856
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: life advice for this field.

857
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: You walk that walk for sure. Like sometimes I even

858
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: ask you, like why are you doing this show? And

859
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: it's because somebody asked me that's why. Yeah, you're you're

860
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: a better man than me. My one piece of advice.

861
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: I would say, I got great advice from somebody once

862
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: that I tell you probably heard this seventeen times, but

863
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: they said, you know, they asked me like, who's who's

864
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: somebody that currently has a job that you would want,

865
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: that you emulate, you know, that you look up to.

866
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: And at the time I said, I said Reese, And

867
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I want to be a Patriots

868
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: beat reporter. I want to be Mike Greece. And he

869
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: said to me, well, then be Mike Greece. And I

870
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about, Like, I don't

871
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: work for ESPN. I can't, I'm not credentialed, like I

872
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: can't just but his point was kind of fake it

873
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: till you make it, Like no one really knows what

874
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: you're doing until you do it, you know. And and

875
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: so there's no rule book, there's no playbook on like

876
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: how to be a beat reporter. There's no real guideline

877
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: or you know whatever. He said to just watch what

878
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Reese does, and.

879
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: It's great advice.

880
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: Trying to do what he does.

881
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: It's great advice. And it's you know, something I alway

882
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: think about. You know, how they say dressed for the

883
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: job you want, not the job you have. Yeah, dressing

884
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: act like it. Yeah, I mean do the job you

885
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: currently have too, But you know, act act the way

886
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: you want. Have about Reese, by the way he's been

887
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: doing videos with some of those like, you know, younger

888
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: kids who are trying to get into this at camp. Yeah,

889
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, our buddies act. I saw

890
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: us out there in Carlos. That's awesome, man, Good for them,

891
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: Good for him.

892
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: He looks like he's been hitting the gym a little bit.

893
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: He does.

894
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: He's in shape.

895
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Talk about we always do to coming who's who came

896
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: into camp in shape, who looks like they're they're in good.

897
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: Shack, best shape of his life there, I say, Mike.

898
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: That's that's how we do it. That's usually the euphemism.

899
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: All right, Colleen is in Houston. What's up Colleen?

900
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

901
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: Yes?

902
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

903
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: So I was thinking about like what I want or

904
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: expect from this season. And I don't expect playoffs. I

905
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: don't think most people do. But some people during up

906
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 4: two thousand and one and like that was a phenomenon.

907
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: It'll never happen again, especially to the team it already

908
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 4: happened for. But I was thinking about what I would

909
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: consider a successful season, and for me, I want to

910
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: see my team win. But if we get a great

911
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: draft pick and we can trade back and get a

912
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: left tackle and a wide receiver. Somehow finagle that that

913
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: would be a great year for me. But like last

914
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: year when we beat the Broncos, I was all on board,

915
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: like I was super happy. So I'm curious, is there

916
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: a number of wins or a draft to position that

917
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: you would consider a successful season? And then very quickly go, Matthew,

918
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: you sound super wholesome. I believe in you. And also

919
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm pissed that Joe alt is becoming a right tackle

920
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 4: because he was such a good left tackle.

921
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: The good point like a way, Okay, thanks for the

922
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: great call.

923
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Colling nailed it on Joe Walton. What the hell is

924
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: horrible I doing?

925
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Are we sure Jim Harbad knows is like all there? Like,

926
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: are we sure that he's going to be good at this? No?

927
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he is.

928
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Did you see that he was wearing cleats out to

929
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: practice like he's listening him up.

930
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was on this show. I

931
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: was on a show.

932
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: He's worrying me a little bit.

933
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: And I dropped this take. No, this is I said

934
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: this on the Sports I think I was on with

935
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: Joe Murray. You want a hot take for the twenty

936
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: twenty four NFL season, Jim Harbas thinks Jim Harbaugh's won

937
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: and done.

938
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: Oh one and done.

939
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh's won and done, whether he's not good enough

940
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: or he just realizes I don't want to do this.

941
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I want to go back to college because it's a

942
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: very different.

943
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: Game, it's a different animal.

944
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh's won and done in LA just.

945
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: Some of the things, you know, the Joe All things,

946
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Now they have ever shown Slater,

947
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: who's one of the best left tackles in the league. Right,

948
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to.

949
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: Trade down, Yeah, I mean trade down draft Fuanga, wasn't it.

950
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Some of the reports at the time that they tried

951
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: or that was sort of I feel like that was

952
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: the playoff.

953
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, if they couldn't get anybody to take the fifth

954
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: overall picked didn't try hard enough.

955
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, all the quarterbacks were gone. So what you're not

956
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: trading up for J. J. McCarthy or Pennixons. Yeah, I guesslie.

957
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: Neighbors went six, right.

958
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: I meant to say neighbors. Somebody wanted the neighbors wanted

959
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: to jump the Giants from nobody wanted Joe allt you

960
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: have a franchise left ackle sitting there. Yeah, nobody wanted

961
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Joe all And and to to Colleen's point, to go

962
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: to another part of that question, what's a successful season, Like,

963
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a win total or a

964
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: specific draft pick number, because I said this last year, like,

965
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as too many wins. They have

966
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: to build a competitive culture. You don't want losing to

967
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: become habitual. And the reality is they're in a position

968
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: where they should be able to move around the draft

969
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: board as they need. They're probably gonna end up with

970
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: the top ten pick. There's two stud tackles we think

971
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: in this draft, and Will Campbell and Calvin Banks. You

972
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: see Will Campbell put up six sixteen on squad rack

973
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: with a wink. He might be special. He might be special. Yeah,

974
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: But anyway, and look, if they walk out with Will

975
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: Campbell or Kelvin Banks, that'd be great. If they can

976
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: move up and take a receiver at that point, you

977
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: might just be better off trading that second round pick

978
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: for a veteran receiver. But yeah, I don't think there's

979
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: like a number which a successful season to me is

980
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: growth And I know that sounds like corporate and people

981
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: might cringe at that, but I mean it, especially when

982
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: it comes to Drake May. I got this weird question

983
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: in a mail bag the other day, and I thought

984
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: it was a good thought experiment and it's lacking context.

985
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: But the question was, would I rather see Drake May

986
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: play four really good games and get hurt or play

987
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: eight meg games and end of the year.

988
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Healthy like a Joe Burrow situation.

989
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, to which I said, well, if the

990
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: eight games are so so, but he's still getting better

991
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: throughout them, I would rather that than four games and

992
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: he gets hurt because season any injury. Who knows what

993
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: that means for his future league. I just need to

994
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: see him be better at the end than they're at

995
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: the beginning, especially the way this team has fallen off

996
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: late in the season the last few years. So you know,

997
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: if they went in four games, but two of those

998
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: wins are in December, you you might feel good about that.

999
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: You might feel good about that going into the offseason.

1000
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: Who did that a couple of years ago?

1001
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: Detroit, Detroit, they were They got a little bit hotter

1002
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: than just that. They They ended the year I think winning,

1003
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: They almost made the playoffs. They they they fumbled the

1004
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: bag at the end of the year to make the

1005
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: playoffs if I remember correctly. So they they won like

1006
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, seven or eight games. I want to say,

1007
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: again doing things off the top of my head that

1008
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: I shouldn't do. But that's the team that I look at.

1009
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be the Texans last year. That's probably

1010
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: a little lot.

1011
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: That's the apex.

1012
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: But Detroit a few years ago now built totally different, right,

1013
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: they traded for their quarterback and all that kind of stuff.

1014
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: But Detroit a few years ago, they were on the up.

1015
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: They finished the season on a high. They just barely

1016
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: missed out on the playoffs. And then they came back

1017
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: last year and we're one of the best teams in

1018
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: football right wired to wire.

1019
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, again, just be better at the end

1020
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: than the are at the beginning. That goes for Trake.

1021
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that goes for the team as a whole.

1022
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that, Gerrod Mayo and I want to

1023
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: look up this Detroit thing because it's.

1024
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Back as you look it up, even going back to

1025
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: twenty one. A lot of people and I was not

1026
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: in this group, so and people have taken a victory

1027
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: lap on this recognizing what the fall off at the

1028
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty one season was. You had

1029
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: what looked like a successful season with the rookie quarterback

1030
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a little fools goal.

1031
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: So they won nine games. Detroit in twenty twenty two

1032
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: didn't make the playoffs though, and.

1033
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: Right they lost to the or No. They played the

1034
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Packers in the Sunday night game, but they something else

1035
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: happened earlier in the day was supposed to be for

1036
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they knocked the Packers and then it

1037
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: was it.

1038
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then in twenty twenty three. Of course, last

1039
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: year they go twelve and five make it to the

1040
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: end NFC Championship game, so that that that's definitely another path.

1041
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: But in terms of successful season, I agree with you

1042
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: that it's not necessarily on wins and losses, and it's

1043
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: probably something that we're gonna see and feel more than

1044
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: it's going to be tangible of they won eight games,

1045
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: they won nine games. But I thought Geron Mayo had

1046
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: a great answer to the question about this exact question

1047
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: on Tuesday what is a successful season when he said

1048
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: it that we've laid a foundation that this year is

1049
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: all about laying a foundation, just like that Detroit team

1050
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty two where they won nine games.

1051
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: That was a found They knew that they had built

1052
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: a foundation, that we were going in an upward trajectory.

1053
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: I hope that the Patriots are doing the same thing.

1054
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: It might not be as fruval like. They might not

1055
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: get to nine wins, maybe it's only four or five wins,

1056
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: but you want to come off the year feeling like

1057
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: they're building towards something in a positive way, and that

1058
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: that really does start with the quarterback. So we got

1059
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: to we're now forty five minutes in without talking about

1060
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in detail. So now we can get to

1061
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,319
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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots Quarterbacks. So a little bit

1071
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: of a development today with Joe Milton, your boy. How

1072
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: do you feel about that, Alex, Yeah, I mean so Bazuka.

1073
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too much.

1074
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: He doesn't like Bazuka, so we need a different No.

1075
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: What we came up with it the other room.

1076
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: The Manhattan Project, the Manhattan Project. That's right.

1077
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: You thought he's gonna be a secret the Manhattan Project.

1078
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: We're going to let him throw in front of people.

1079
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: The Manhattan Project is moving up to depth chart, so

1080
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I'll tell you what I

1081
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: think today was.

1082
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: You think they're gonna rotate?

1083
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's how they're going to maximize the

1084
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: reps for Jacoby Brissett and Drake May is that third spot.

1085
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: One day it will be a Zappy day. One day

1086
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: will be Milton day. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe we

1087
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: come out tomorrow it's Joe Milton again. But if I'm

1088
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: as much as I see Joe Milton throw the ball

1089
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: and he was humming it today, I thought too much

1090
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: on some of those Yeah, he had he had won

1091
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: a Kwan Baker. They took Kawad Baker's fingers off. Yeah,

1092
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: he went down to the books as a drop.

1093
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

1094
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: I think that's how they're gonna split the rep. Because

1095
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I've said this, you still want to rep Joe Milton.

1096
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: I understand the priorities are Drake May's development and getting

1097
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett ready for the season, and those should be

1098
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: the priorities. So it should be the heavy priorities. But

1099
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: you can't just let you invested. It's a six round pick.

1100
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: He invested something in Joe Milton. You can't just let

1101
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: him sit there and do nothing. And for what it's worth,

1102
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: you have other guys that are, you know, in their

1103
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: equivalent spot in the depth chart that you want to rep,

1104
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't want your top quarterbacks throwing into

1105
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: those guys. There'd be reasons for that. So you do

1106
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: need a third quarterback, You do need somebody in that role.

1107
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: But rather than going third than fourth, it maximizes the

1108
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: opportunities for May and Bersett to just alternate Zappi and

1109
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: Milton each day.

1110
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: I would like to see a little bit more touch

1111
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: on some of those underneath throws from Joe Milton.

1112
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: He did have one good touch throw but I don't

1113
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if it exists. No, he

1114
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: did have one today.

1115
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: No, I know, but I don't know if it like consistently.

1116
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Right, They needs to do it more. Yeah, he needs

1117
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: to do it more.

1118
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: But with that being said, and he hasn't necessarily uncorked

1119
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: the deep ball yet, like we haven't seen one of

1120
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: those sixty five yards in the air type throws. But

1121
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: he did have a throw today. It was a bootleg

1122
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of the disasters on some

1123
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: of these bootlegs. But he bootlegged and there's a defender

1124
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: right in his face and he just kind of flicked

1125
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: the ball out to the sideline. I think it was

1126
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: as to one of the tight ends. Might be it

1127
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: was a Michael Peedaway or Jahane Bell, and it was

1128
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: like effortless, Like that's not it should not look that easy,

1129
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: right that on a line feet not said, dude in

1130
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: your face, just kind of drop the arm angle and

1131
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: just flick the wrists and the ball just jumps out there.

1132
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: It shouldn't look that easy. It does for Joe Milton.

1133
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: Let's start with Jacoby Brissett though, or let's continue.

1134
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: No, we started too late. We started with Joe Milton,

1135
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: you made that decision.

1136
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: I know what Jacob PRIs said. I said earlier on

1137
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: PU and I'm getting getting some flak for you know me,

1138
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: sometimes I say things a little bit too strong that

1139
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: I don't actually need to come out as strong as

1140
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: as I said it. I said that nobody cares about

1141
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: Jacoby were set And again, I promise you done of

1142
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: the things I say on here are personal to the player,

1143
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: to the person. But frankly, we're out here watching these

1144
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: practices to evaluate Drake May and evaluate the entire thing

1145
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: in the prism of Drake May be in the future

1146
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: and potentially maybe the present sooner rather than later. So yes,

1147
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 2: Jacoby Pressett has a role on this team. He has

1148
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: an important role as both a potential bridge quarterback and

1149
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: as a mentor. But with these practices, more than anything,

1150
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: this is about Drake May because we don't know come

1151
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: September when we might see Drake May next. Right, this

1152
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 2: is our chance to actually evaluate Drake May and see

1153
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: Drake May in a large exposure. We might get into

1154
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: week one of the regular season and we might not

1155
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: see him for another two months, and we don't get

1156
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: to watch practice like we watch practice in training camp.

1157
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: Once the regular season comes around, we have that, you know,

1158
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes. You know, maybe Drid will be a

1159
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: little bit more generous with our in season practice time,

1160
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna see team drills during practice, right

1161
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: so that's this is our opportunity to soak in all

1162
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: the Drake may as we possibly can. What have have

1163
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: been your impressions, you know, with that being said, what

1164
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: have been your impressions so far of what you've seen

1165
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: from Jacob?

1166
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: Ever said, So, I mean just steady, just kind of

1167
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: what I expected he makes. There's some place he's made

1168
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: that he had, you know, a good off platform throw

1169
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: the other day. But when the pressure's turned up, it's

1170
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: it's been a bit more of a struggle for him.

1171
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what he is. That's kind of

1172
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: what he's been. Not a ton of surprises from him.

1173
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: I think you're more or less getting what you expected.

1174
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel too, And part of me

1175
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: feels as though it's it feels a little not I

1176
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: think underwhelms the wrong word, but just like meh about

1177
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: it because there's nothing really exciting about the offense what

1178
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: Jacoby were said, and maybe it's more just like the

1179
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: allure of the unknown with Drake May, and it's the

1180
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: whole mystery box saying right like there could be more

1181
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 2: upside there, not could there will be more upside there

1182
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: with the Drake May box. But what Jacoby was said, yes,

1183
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: there are times, probably pretty more frequently than Drake May,

1184
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: that things are on time, and the offense probably runs smoother,

1185
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: and he's in and out of the huddle probably a

1186
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: little bit smoother at this stage, and you know, the

1187
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: ball the throws are more on time and all that

1188
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but it just lacks any sort of

1189
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: danger or explosion or like a playmaking ability. Like his

1190
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: best throw so far is probably on that I throw

1191
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: up to se him to Austin Hooper yesterday, they'll stick

1192
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: nod route, you know, sit down and then break it

1193
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: up the seam. He made a nice throw fitted between

1194
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: a couple of defenders. Right, he's hit, He's hit some

1195
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: underneath stuff that's been on time and in rhythm and

1196
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff Like those are the types

1197
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: of things that you want and you see and the

1198
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: coaches probably value that more than we do because they

1199
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: know that this is what it's supposed to look like, right,

1200
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: like this is the in rhythm offense, this is the

1201
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: scripted offense, whereas with Drake May, there's just always this

1202
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: appeal of he could just do something like anything that

1203
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 2: you're not expecting, Like he could throw a fifty yard

1204
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: bomb down the sidelines to Jalen Rager, like that could

1205
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: just come out of nowhere. I'm not expecting that to

1206
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 2: come out of nowhere at any time, which Kobe was said,

1207
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: so for lack of a better word, because it's not

1208
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: coming to mind right now, meh, Like it's it's kind

1209
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: of boring, I said, steady, But but it's kind of boring.

1210
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: It's boring in a good way because it's what you want.

1211
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: You want a guy that's just gonna get you, to

1212
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: Drake May. And I think another thing is we've heard

1213
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of players talk about what a resource Jacoby

1214
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Burssett has been to help them learn Alex Van Pelts offense.

1215
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: So in that sense, I mean, I think you're getting

1216
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: what you wanted out of him, and he's doing his

1217
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: job right. The play was never for him to come

1218
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: in and win an MVP if he doesn't be great,

1219
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: But the play was never for him to come in

1220
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: win MVP. The planners him to come in and keep

1221
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: the seat warm and help everybody get help Drake maner,

1222
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: but he else get adjusted to this new offense and

1223
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: just simply having a new quarterback, and so far, I'd

1224
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: say that's what he's done.

1225
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I Again, there's something to be said

1226
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: for all the things that you're saying, of course, and

1227
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 2: then there's something to be said for the offense probably

1228
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: running more on script or on time comparatively speaking to

1229
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: some of the other quarterbacks. Yeah, there's more of those

1230
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 2: plays that I feel like when they hit it, I'm like, okay,

1231
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Like that's how it should look on a Sunday. He

1232
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: made a throw to today, to Taekwon Thorton, for example,

1233
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: his play action five step play action drop and he

1234
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: comes off it at the top he kind of went

1235
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: up in the pocket like he stepped through the pocket

1236
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: because there's a little bit of pressure coming off the

1237
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: edge there. Yeah, steps through the pocket back, you know,

1238
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: gets back into the phase, throws the football. Taekwon Thorton

1239
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: comes out of his brake balls right there, and you're like, okay,

1240
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: that's a Sunday throw. Like that's a Sunday play and

1241
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: those types of plays are encouraging from Jacoby brissaid, there's

1242
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: just there's already it already feels like they're swimming upstream

1243
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: because of other avenues of the offense, like the receivers,

1244
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: the offensive line. It feels like the passing game sometimes

1245
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: is fighting it as it is to make yards and

1246
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: when the quarterback is really more just managing the situation

1247
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: more than anything. That that also just kind of gets

1248
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: what we got today, which is just a lack of

1249
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: big play flash, Like there's just no flash to it.

1250
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: There's also something, you know, to be said with Jacob Brissett,

1251
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, as we go through this

1252
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: offensive line situation, which we'll get to in a second,

1253
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: that it hasn't been good and if it's gonna be

1254
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: like this, then all those people that we're calling in

1255
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: and you know, the conversations that we've had over the

1256
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 2: last couple of months about do they need to sit

1257
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: Drake may just because of the offensive line play, if

1258
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: this is how the offensive line is gonna look in

1259
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: pads and the answer that question might be yes, like

1260
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: we might be everyone might have been right about that.

1261
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: Right now, we need to wait a little bit. Let's

1262
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: get to the main event, though, let's get let's talk

1263
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: a little bit about Drake May. I think the biggest

1264
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: thing that I've seen with Drake May that's so encouraging

1265
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: or just just catches the eye. The ball absolutely jumps

1266
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: out of his hand. There's no question about that. He's

1267
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: got easy cheese, like he's got easy velocity with the football.

1268
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: I thought today was in on perfect display because yesterday

1269
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: he had the downfield throw to Rager and it might

1270
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: have been a tiny bit overthrown, but it's a catchable

1271
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: ball because he got it. There was one hand to catch. Great.

1272
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: The catch was better than the throw, but it was

1273
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: still an example of that arm talent that you see.

1274
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: But to me, it's even it's not even necessarily the

1275
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: deep ball. Today he made a throw on an incut

1276
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: to Jalen Polk towards the end of practice where it

1277
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: looked a little bit like an RPO to me, some

1278
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: sort of play action we're talking about that figure it was.

1279
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: I thought it was an RPO because he kind of

1280
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 2: delayed it, like he held the mesh point a little

1281
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: bit longer than a regular play action pass would look

1282
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 2: and he just he takes out the football, he keeps

1283
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: the ball, and it's just a sleight of hand of

1284
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: just being able to then transition into throw. He doesn't

1285
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: have to step into it. He doesn't need to actually,

1286
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: you know, climb the pocket or anything like that. And

1287
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: it's just like on a line in between a couple

1288
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: of guys. To Jalen Polk, those drive throws, those middle

1289
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: of the field drive throws, that's a breath of fresh

1290
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: air man. They haven't had a quarterback that's been able

1291
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: to do that since Brady Ticket. Actually drive the football

1292
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: through the middle of the field and throw the ball

1293
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: into some traffic, but have it really be not a

1294
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: danger ball, like, have it actually be a good throw

1295
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: but in a good decision by the quarterback. Those drive

1296
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: throws are super encouraging to me because that that is

1297
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: exactly what you're you weren't able to access with Mac

1298
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: Jones was ten plus yards down the middle of the

1299
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: field like he was never Mac never really was able

1300
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: to master that to me and uh and Jacoba, Jakoby

1301
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: Drake may has been able to do that already. He

1302
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: made the throw yesterday to Juju on the bootleg where

1303
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: he you know, comes off the bootleg. Juju's crossing from

1304
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: left to right and off platform, you know, in the air,

1305
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, kind of on the move, just makes another

1306
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: throw on the line to Juju with just easy v

1307
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: lo on the ball. Those are the types of throws

1308
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: that I look at. I'm like, in terms of arm, talent, athleticism, ability,

1309
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: he's checking all the boxes of a number three overall pick. Like,

1310
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: we're not going to be asking ourselves does he just

1311
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: not have it physically to cut it into the NFL.

1312
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: He's got that in droves. Now it's just about him

1313
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: catching up mentally, like is he gonna be able to

1314
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: get them in and out of bad plays at the

1315
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage? Is he going through his progressions properly?

1316
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: You know, those types of things are gonna be the

1317
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: bigger questions for this coaching staff because the guy throws

1318
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: a pretty ball like he throws a pretty ball and

1319
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: he's got some heat on it.

1320
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: So my big takeaway from Drake May through the first

1321
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: two days really this was yesterday, is uh, he's here

1322
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: to compete. And some people may hear that and be like, well, yeah, duh,

1323
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: he's a professional. But no, it's so easy for a

1324
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: rookie to come in and just all right, well, I

1325
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: don't want to screw up, screw up. I'm gonna take

1326
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: what's there. I'm gonna take what's safe. I don't want

1327
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: to mess up. I don't want anybody to, you know,

1328
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: think anything is bad. Whatever, blah blah blah. No I

1329
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: he came out slinging it. He came out he's testing

1330
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: tight windows, He's testing deep parts of the field, and

1331
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: that comes with mixed results, and you want to clean

1332
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: that up. But part of the reason it's good he's

1333
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 1: doing that is all right, He's gonna figure out here

1334
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: in camp. Okay, this works, this doesn't. If I want

1335
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: to do this, I have to do it this way,

1336
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: or this needs to be done you know, quickly or whatever.

1337
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Like he came out aggressive, he came out with no fear,

1338
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to see from a rookie quarterback.

1339
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: He does not in terms of the mentality of it.

1340
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: He does not look like a rookie.

1341
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: Now.

1342
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's some within that they have to

1343
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: clean up. But I would rather he make those mistakes

1344
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: now and learn now and test things now, and then

1345
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: when he gets to week one he has all that

1346
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: information versus he's playing it very safe and then Suddenly

1347
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: Week one, there's two minutes to go. They need to

1348
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: go eighty yards for a touchdown. Well, I can't take

1349
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: the checkdowns. Now what do I do?

1350
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1351
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: So when I talk, we talked off the top of

1352
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: the show about the approach means more to me than

1353
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: the results at this point of camp. That's what I'm

1354
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: talking about. Hill. You hope he irons out and figures

1355
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: out exactly where his limitations lie in terms of testing

1356
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: certain windows and certain certain parts of the field.

1357
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: He has a ton of confidence, he does, and that's

1358
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't want that confidence to go away. Like that's

1359
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: the thing is.

1360
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: Well, you have to hone it. You have to hone it,

1361
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: and you know, learn from it and be realistic. But

1362
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: he's where I like his confidence is he's not afraid

1363
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: if I throw a pick, it's all over, right, Jacoby's

1364
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: going to be the starter. Oh yeah, right, he's not

1365
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: afraid to throw a pick in this setting.

1366
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: Now.

1367
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: I hope when he gets to the game he doesn't

1368
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: have quite that same approach and he kind of learns,

1369
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: all right, this is what worked, this is what didn't.

1370
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: But he's fine experimenting in practice because he knows, okay,

1371
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: this is the only way I'm going to be able

1372
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: to figure these things out.

1373
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: So maybe we're arguing semantics, and I'm not really been

1374
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: arguing with you. But the film nerds, the Twitter, film coaches,

1375
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call us, what we would call

1376
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: what you're describing is arm arrogance. And if I'm the Patriots,

1377
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: and if I'm gid Mao and and I'm Elliot Wolf

1378
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: and all the Patriots brass, the last thing that I

1379
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: want to do is coach arm arrogance out of Drake May.

1380
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: I would so much rather him continuing to be arrogant

1381
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: af rip it, grip it and rip it baby, like,

1382
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: don't don't hold him back, because yeah, they're gonna be mistakes, right,

1383
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: and maybe he turns the ball over and maybe he

1384
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: makes a bad throw here or there. But there are

1385
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks on the flip side that have that type of

1386
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: arm arrogance that are just have that like I'm going

1387
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: to fit this ball into any type of window that

1388
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: for the most part it kind of works like they

1389
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: kind of get away with it. Well, but that's you

1390
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: have to.

1391
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: But I think the guys that really do that at

1392
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: an elite level know what they can and can't get away.

1393
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: With maybe to an extent you'd have to ask them, like,

1394
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't know where the line is necessary, But I

1395
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: look at quarterbacks and I know you're going to tell

1396
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: me that he stinks. But like Josh Allen, Jordan Love Herbert,

1397
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: those types of guys that have this kind of arm

1398
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: talent I put like I'm not gonna put my homes in.

1399
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: The conversation is different stratsphere, but those three guys are

1400
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: the guys that come to mind when I think about

1401
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: Drake may just from a skill set standpoint and from

1402
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: a tool standpoint, and all three of those guys still

1403
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: have don't lose that like they don't. They have all

1404
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: the confidence in the world that they can hit any

1405
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: blade of grass, and I would just rather roll with that,

1406
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: Like so, okay, maybe he does have some Josh Allen

1407
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: turnover issues early on in his career, so be it.

1408
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: Like he'll learn from it, you know, and he'll get But.

1409
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: That's my point, learn from it because there are some

1410
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: guys that don't there are some guys that can. And

1411
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: this goes to something Jott and Mayo talked about yesterday,

1412
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: which I thought was great because this was always a

1413
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: big bill Belichick tenant, and one of the things that

1414
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe didn't get talked about as much as is, you know,

1415
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: you can make a mistake. Guys are gonna make mistakes

1416
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: in camp. It's gonna happen. Don't make the same mistake twice. Yeah,

1417
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: make the mistake, learn from it, apply it. And that's

1418
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying, Like, just you can't put don't

1419
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: keep trying to test the same throw that's clearly not.

1420
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: There, fair enough, but you can't put trading wheels on

1421
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: the gunslinger, like, don't take the gun slinger out of him,

1422
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: because then what ends up happening is you end up

1423
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: getting and granted the physical tools weren't there for Mac,

1424
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: but like you end up getting something like Max rookie season,

1425
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: which for the most part we know now was kind

1426
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: of an aberration.

1427
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is like, yeah, but

1428
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: I I don't know. We disagree on this. I don't

1429
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing for quarterbacks to throw interceptions.

1430
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: You don't care, but you know it's.

1431
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: A it's a give and take though, because no, it's

1432
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: inherently it's not good for quarterbacks to throw interceptions. But

1433
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: at the same time, if the quarterback is also just

1434
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 2: not be aggressive and testing windows down the field, then

1435
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be a productive offense.

1436
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is he's doing it in practice,

1437
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: and I like that, and I'm sure he'll do it

1438
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: in the game, but coming from the ACC playing a

1439
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: bunch of week defenses where he could pretty much do

1440
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: whatever he wanted, he's got to relearn there are limitations,

1441
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: and he can test those limitations, but he's got to

1442
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: learn limitations. And I like that he's doing that because

1443
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: it would be easy for them to put the training

1444
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: wheels on in practice, and he clearly feels he has

1445
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: the freedom to experiment and do what he needs to do.

1446
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: It's just none of that matters if you continue to

1447
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: be overly wild in the games. I guess is my

1448
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: point fair enough?

1449
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: And I also just feel like this was something that

1450
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: they did with Mac that I in hindsight, because all

1451
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: we can do now, and I know it's easy for

1452
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: us to sit here in hindsight and wag our fingers,

1453
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: but all we can do now is learn from the

1454
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: Mac Jones experience and what went wrong with his development,

1455
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: And there's a million things that it contributed. But one

1456
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: of the things that I feel like they can learn

1457
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: from with Mac jo Zones is that you can't completely

1458
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: coddle a guy. And I feel like a a rookie season,

1459
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: they had such they had him so buttoned up.

1460
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's clearly not the case here that you.

1461
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: Can't coddle him, right, Like, I hope that when they

1462
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 2: put Drake May, whether it's week eight, week nine, week fifteen,

1463
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: I don't care. I hope when Drake May finally takes

1464
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: over that they just kind of let him loose. And

1465
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: if he throws three picks in a game and they

1466
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: lose because he's a little bit too arrogant, then that's

1467
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: when you coach him to rate it back in. But

1468
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: don't go into games. Remember with Mac his rookie year,

1469
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: he didn't throw a ball into the end zone for

1470
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: like the first movie. Yeah, Like, don't go into games

1471
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 2: like that, Like let him play through it, like let

1472
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: him make mistakes, let him learn on the fly.

1473
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: I hope they do that differently, well, I guess so

1474
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: to bring it all together. They're doing that in camp. Yeah,

1475
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: because even in camp that year, it felt like Mack

1476
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: was relatively controlled. This feels like they told Drake may be, Drake,

1477
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: may make the throws you want to right, and we'll

1478
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: react to them after. If they're good, great, If not,

1479
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: we'll tell you they're not. We'll tell you to stop

1480
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: making them. But or we'll tell you no, do it differently, right,

1481
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: throw this ball in this spot and put it on

1482
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: the back shoulder instead of the front shoulder, however they

1483
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: want to qualify it. It does feel like they're giving

1484
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: him the free and this is what I like. They're

1485
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: giving him the freedom to test things, and he's taking

1486
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: that freedom and making the most of it.

1487
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: I've also been pretty impressed with Drake Mays. I thought

1488
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: that we would have more of those like WTF throws

1489
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: than we've had, and not necessarily turnovers, but just throwing

1490
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 2: balls ten yards over guy's heads and like some of

1491
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: the stuff that we saw on tape with him at

1492
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: North Karrigine and in the spring where he would just

1493
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: like totally lose the ball right, like he would just

1494
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 2: lose control of the football. He had one throw over

1495
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: the middle today to Jaheim Bell that was off, and

1496
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: he had one yesterday that it felt like he got

1497
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 2: pressured in his lap and kind of threw a dirt

1498
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: ball over the middle to Kaishan Boody. But for the

1499
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: most part, he's been generally accurate, which I think is

1500
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: encouraging because I thought that we were going to see

1501
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: some like I remember, I keep going back to Josh Allen,

1502
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 2: but remember Josh Allen's rookie year when he would just

1503
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: throw the ball like ten yards over his dude's heads

1504
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: on the sideline. But yeah, it was like Landen, like

1505
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: the first row. And I'm not exaggerating. Zach Wilson used

1506
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: to do it all the time too, And you're just

1507
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: and you're just like, what the heck was that? Like,

1508
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: where is that going? I haven't really said Matt to

1509
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: myself too often with him.

1510
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: That's one where let's see when the pads come on,

1511
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: he's facing a live rush.

1512
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it would be up a little bit more.

1513
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's again, I'm more interested in this point in

1514
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: the approach, not so much the results. Yeah, and that's

1515
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: not to protect him to say he's bad. If anything,

1516
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm probably taking something away from him. He's been good,

1517
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: But I just like the approach. I I just liked it.

1518
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: He's been fearless.

1519
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he sees that single high safety and he's

1520
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: he's hunting like he's not.

1521
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: That's me playing Madden.

1522
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: You you put that single high safety over the top

1523
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: of Drake May, and you better cover the receiver as

1524
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: well because he's going in the field.

1525
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: Now do that when there's a two hundred and eighty

1526
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: pound pass rusher in your face. Yeah, I guess, is

1527
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: my point. But he he has been afraid so far,

1528
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: so so far, so good.

1529
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: Last thing on the quarterbacks really quickly. This whole thing

1530
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: to me still is annoying. It's still a charade to me,

1531
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: like there's I just can't envision a world where where

1532
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: we're at right now with Drake May. To me, is

1533
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: he's on a climb up the mental mountain, right. Can

1534
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: he call plays in a huddle? Can he go through progressions?

1535
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 2: Can he audible? Can he get again? And can he

1536
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: be at a high enough mental level that he can

1537
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: function without it being in a disservice to him to

1538
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: put him out there. I can't envision a scenario where

1539
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 2: they have eleven more training camp practices that are that

1540
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: are open to the public. There'll be a couple more

1541
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: that will be just for the media. Then they'll have

1542
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: three preseason games we have about six weeks to go

1543
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: in this process, and I just can't imagine that in

1544
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: six weeks from now he's not going to be at

1545
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: a baseline level to be able to call a play

1546
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: in a huddle or go through an NFL progression. I

1547
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 2: just don't understand what we're doing here with talking about

1548
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 2: it any differently than the door being wide the heck

1549
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: open for him to take this job week one because

1550
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: we can all sit there and watch it through two

1551
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 2: days and through the spring and all that and say

1552
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be physical, like, it's not gonna be

1553
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 2: arm talent, it's not gonna be any of those types

1554
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: of things. This is clearly about whether or not Alex

1555
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: Van Pelt feels like he has a mastery of the offense,

1556
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: it's at a good enough level to play in an

1557
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: NFL game, or it's about all the other stuff we've

1558
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 2: been talking about, the offensive line, the receivers, whatever. But

1559
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: for Drake may just in a vacuum. I don't see

1560
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: any reason why he can't be the Week one starter,

1561
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: because I feel like mentally he'll get there in the

1562
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: next six weeks. Like they have plenty. They have so

1563
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: much time between now and the regular season to get

1564
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: him mentally ready. I just I find it so hard

1565
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: to believe that he won't be And so therefore, if

1566
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: we get to the point where Cincinnati's around the corner,

1567
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: we're really talking about it being other stuff, like, you know,

1568
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,520
Speaker 2: other things.

1569
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Because it's not going to be his your Your whole

1570
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: point is outside of the reasons he wouldn't start, I

1571
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: can't see why he wouldn't start.

1572
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: Basically, I can't. I can't see why he wouldn't start

1573
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 2: because of Drake May.

1574
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: If you want to make he'll be ready, whether or

1575
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: not the situation is ready is another question.

1576
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: That And because that's the only point that you could

1577
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: make that I could honestly hear and be like, Okay,

1578
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: I accept that as a point. If you're telling me

1579
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 2: that he's not ready to play an NFL game because

1580
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: we don't feel like he can call a play in

1581
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: a huddle, well then I would say to you, well,

1582
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: what the heck have you been teaching him for the

1583
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: last three months.

1584
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: Well, let's see again, let's see what he looks like

1585
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: when he has pass rushers in his face. And it's

1586
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: a little early to say that. I don't you're not

1587
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong. I just think it's a little early to

1588
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: be that pounding the table for it.

1589
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: But in you, what do you think is going to change?

1590
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: I guess so drastically.

1591
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: I just want to see how he handles pressure before

1592
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say he's like I I he's on track.

1593
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: He's on track. Yeah, I just like you said off

1594
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: the top of the show, it's two practices. They haven'ty

1595
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: put pads on yet. We haven't seen real football. Let's

1596
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: see that before we go exclaiming, because that was that

1597
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: was a bit of an exclamation, right, I said before

1598
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: My take wasn't a take. It was a theory. That

1599
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a take. That was a That was a proclamation

1600
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: from Evan Lazar.

1601
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: Yes, my proclamation is that Drake may should be this

1602
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: team's Week one starter. I'll say it now.

1603
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: Can I watch him in a fully padded practice.

1604
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: You can watch him in practice, But just to be

1605
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: to be fair, I would have told you on draft

1606
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: night that he should be the week one So.

1607
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,879
Speaker 1: I remember we were out there in the spring. You're

1608
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: he threw a pick and he said, nope, he's still

1609
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: a Week one starter. He's the best quarterback on the team.

1610
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: So what are we doing, Like, are we not going

1611
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: to play the best players? Or we are we going

1612
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: to be the best player? That's where the other even

1613
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: if that does end up being the case with him,

1614
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: there are the other factors because we can get to

1615
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: the offensive line have an I don't feel great neither

1616
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: my third overall pick investment behind what we saw today.

1617
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: He's the best quarterback on the team. I would have

1618
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: told you that on April twenty six.

1619
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 1: So then let's not get killed.

1620
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So along those lines, let's talk about the offensive line.

1621
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: Offensive line play in general, line play either side, sitting

1622
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: here and evaluating it in non padded practices. I'll make

1623
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: the comparison again. I think I made it in the spring.

1624
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: It's a lot. What they're doing at this point is

1625
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: like paying playing defense in basketball. They're just trying to

1626
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: slide their feet and maybe there's like a little bit

1627
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: of hand checking, but we're really not hand checking, and

1628
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: we're just trying to keep ourselves in between the pass

1629
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: rusher and the quarterback. That scenario that I just spelled

1630
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: out for you ten times out of ten is going

1631
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: to favor the pass rusher. It just is. Yeah, And

1632
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 2: when you also add in the pass rusher is Matthew Judon,

1633
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: Josh Ucha, who's a guy that has double digit sack

1634
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: season in his NFL career, Christian Barmore yesterday, Like, these

1635
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: guys are are good pass rushers on top of that.

1636
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: So I don't want to evaluate the line necessarily because

1637
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: I don't want to get two in the weeds of

1638
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 2: shorts and a T shirt and offensive line and blocking.

1639
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: But that being said, what I'm seeing out there with

1640
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: the offensive line right now, and why I'm still not

1641
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: hitting the panic button just yet, is because a lot

1642
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: of it to me seems assignment and like execution based

1643
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, there's a pressure today where

1644
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 2: they tried the bootleg and Matthew Judon just didn't bite

1645
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: on the bootleg. Now, Matthew John's a really good player.

1646
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he sees it from a mile and he doesn't

1647
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 2: bite on the bootleg against anybody. But there's really no

1648
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: threat of the run game right now because they're not

1649
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: in pad, so they're not running the football, they haven't

1650
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: set it up, they haven't they're not sequencing plays together

1651
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: right So in a lot of ways, it just feels

1652
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: like it's predictable and Matthew Judon stays home and he's

1653
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: right in the quarterback's face, and that's that. And on

1654
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: the one hand, you might look at that and you're like,

1655
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: oh god, you know, here we go. Right, the offensive

1656
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: line's a mess. And there's another one. I think it

1657
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: was Dietrich Whise that came through unblocked. Again. They were

1658
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: trying to move the pocket a little bit, and they

1659
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: just didn't get it fitted up properly, like they weren't

1660
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: hat on the hat properly with it, and oh god,

1661
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: here we go. Get right. So I'm willing to be

1662
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 2: a little bit patient with it, but I can't deny

1663
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: the priors, which were that this was what everybody thought

1664
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: was gonna be the issue. And two days into camp

1665
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: today especially felt like a jail break on every other

1666
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: drop back.

1667
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, I don't want to necessarily evaluate

1668
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: line play without pets. I think that's excited. But like

1669
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: I've said a few times during the show, let's not

1670
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: look at the results, Let's look at the approach. Yesterday

1671
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: it was Calvin Anderson Caden Wallace right tackle. Today it

1672
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: was Cade Wallas in Venerian Low. Well, you've seen Calvin

1673
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: Anderson play both sides chooks A corfour still on the

1674
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: left side. I will evan if you'll allow me for

1675
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: a second, because I'm curious if you saw this evaluate

1676
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: one performance based thing. A core four still looks a

1677
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable getting back into a set at left tackle.

1678
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't entirely look like he is, Like

1679
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: once he gets back, he looks, it looks normal, but

1680
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: there's like a period there where his weight doesn't look bad,

1681
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: if that makes sense.

1682
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: He's got a little hitch.

1683
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: Not even that. It's just I don't defeat tied. I

1684
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: don't know the defeet are tied to the upper body

1685
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: right leaning now.

1686
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: To be fair, he he's kind of an unorthodox passbocker

1687
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: as it is, and he's one of those guys on film,

1688
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: even on the right side that it doesn't always look pretty.

1689
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: But he's somehow.

1690
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: And he's still learning it. Like, yeah, you can look

1691
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: look off balance the first day at camp all you want,

1692
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: as long as you get it figured out by week one.

1693
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 1: So but to get back to the point of the approach.

1694
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: So we've seen three different right tackles Mike on Win

1695
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: who still isn't kicked outside. We've seen Calvin Anderson getting

1696
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: ready to play bull Spots Mike go on Win who

1697
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: told us yesterday he was asked about playing right guard

1698
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I'm happy to do whatever.

1699
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: But we're going to be doing different groupings throughout camp.

1700
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: Chukes the coorp for says today there's gonna be new

1701
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: offensive lines every day. That's where I'm worried. Yeah, because

1702
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about Evan that seeing it through

1703
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: the same eyes, that's the Dante scarnekism, right. One of

1704
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: those five guys that see it through the same eyes

1705
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: are on the same page and know where everybody is

1706
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: and it helps them and especially in zone blocking, that's massive.

1707
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: See it through the same eyes, How are you gonna

1708
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: build that chemistry? And I don't think they. I mean,

1709
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, all twenty days of camp will be twenty

1710
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 1: different groups. But I think the plan is probably for

1711
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: the first week or two, try a bunch of different

1712
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: groups and see what sticks. Yeah, and that's your hope.

1713
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: In that early time you find one maybe that narrow

1714
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: it down to two or three and then they rotate.

1715
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: But it's gonna make it real. And the one thing

1716
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: they do seem to have figured out and we'll see

1717
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow, Mike. When one is at right tackle, I

1718
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 1: don't know. They seem to be sticking with four guys

1719
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: and okor four remains a question in terms of can

1720
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: he actually play on the left side, But he'll be there.

1721
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: I feel as though we were at the point with

1722
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: the Corps four for I'm almost done saying who's at

1723
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: left tackle, because it's a core four.

1724
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna start the season there. Whether or not it

1725
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: works out and they can stick with him will be

1726
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: a question, But he's the left tackle. He's the left

1727
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: tackle to start season. But that how are you gonna

1728
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: build the chemistry? How are you gonna get five guys

1729
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: to see through the same eyes when you're not consistently

1730
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: having the same five guys out there. So that's what

1731
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: really concerns me about the offensive line. I said a

1732
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: bunch they are going to have to find a combination,

1733
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: and obviously finding a combination means it's not gonna be

1734
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: the same five guys out there every time. This is

1735
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: the spot they've put themselves in. So I don't want

1736
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: to talk out both sides of my mouth and say

1737
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: too many line combinations, but at the same time say, well,

1738
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out which combination works. But there does

1739
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: need to be a happy medium there, and really, once

1740
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: the pads come on, they need to maybe iron it

1741
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: out to two or three combinations and say, all right,

1742
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: this is our favorite. We're gonna ride this as long

1743
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: as we can until it doesn't work, then we'll go

1744
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: to the next one. But I don't know how long

1745
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: you can do a different combination every day before you're

1746
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: just spinning your tires.

1747
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, I do feel like they on need change from

1748
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: a day to day. That's gonna be major as who's

1749
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: playing right tackle.

1750
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: So I it looks that way through two days.

1751
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1752
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: The only reason I wonder about that is Mike and Win, who,

1753
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: when asked about specifically playing right guard, said we're gonna

1754
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: have different combinations every day. And I just wonder if

1755
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: we haven't seen the Mic and Win who write tackle

1756
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: combination And yet.

1757
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: So my whole thing just scratching it because it's it

1758
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 2: drives me nuts. You hate this. I hate the fact

1759
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: that I feel lied to by the organization. This is

1760
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: about Walls, this is about Mike on winno. Oh. I

1761
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 2: feel lied to because when they drafted, you know, it

1762
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: was right around the draft. It might have been his

1763
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: pre draft press conference that they do every year with

1764
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. He said somewhere. It might have been the

1765
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter podcast. I'm sorry, I'm rambling.

1766
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: Are you talking about when he said when it was

1767
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: going to be the right tackle.

1768
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: He said somewhere that they signed the best right tackle

1769
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: available in free agency.

1770
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: I think that no, because the combine was before free agency.

1771
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,839
Speaker 1: That was at Yeah, he was talking about on Winter's contract.

1772
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: That might have been a pre draft thing.

1773
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 2: He said that they had signed the best right tackle

1774
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: on the market, that they believe that they signed the

1775
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: best right tackle on the market.

1776
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: He wasn't wrong. If they're planning the right tackle.

1777
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: He Then they then get to the spring Mike on Wen,

1778
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: who stood at the podium, I wrote the story, so

1779
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: I remember the headline. Mike on Wen, who preparing to

1780
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 2: start the season at right.

1781
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: Tackle, said that was the plan, and there was a

1782
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: reply I think rap sheet or somebody reported that the

1783
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: plan was for him to play right tackle like he

1784
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: signed to play right tackle.

1785
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: We get to the first freaking day of training camp,

1786
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 2: Day one of training camp, and what we've all been saying,

1787
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not doing this to Pat myself on the back.

1788
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that it was the obvious thing.

1789
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: If we knew it, it was obvious. We had all

1790
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: been saying. This doesn't feel great. I don't feel great

1791
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: about this. Mike on Wen, who is more of a

1792
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 2: guard than he is a tackle. He's built like a guard,

1793
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: he's not a tackle. The first freaking day of training camp,

1794
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: he's back at guard, and he's been at guard two

1795
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: days in a row now, and he ended the spring

1796
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: at guard. So you didn't sign the best right tackle

1797
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 2: in free agency. You signed the best guard in free agency,

1798
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: and I don't want It's not about the money, because

1799
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: he's still compensated.

1800
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: Okay, he's the second highest paid guard or the fourth

1801
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: highest paid right tackle in football.

1802
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 2: It's not bad. The money's not bad.

1803
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: He's top five at his position, whatever his position is, and.

1804
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: He's damn good. So it's not bad money and it

1805
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 2: will keep on. The next guy will top him. The

1806
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: next guy will top that. The belly in Denver has

1807
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 2: already gotten more money than Mike one who did. Okay,

1808
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 2: So it's not about the contract. I don't care about

1809
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: the contract. What I care about is getting an offensive

1810
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: line that's functional and if they had approached it with

1811
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: the through the prism of we need to replace both tackles,

1812
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: because they went into into the draft thinking they needed

1813
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: just a left tackle because Mike on Winning was going

1814
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: to be their right tackle, and it never felt right

1815
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 2: to me. It never passed the sniff test that he

1816
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 2: was going to be a full time right tackle. Then

1817
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 2: he also came into the spring and into the summer

1818
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: still looks the same, didn't slim down at all, didn't

1819
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 2: get ready to play tackle at all. He's gonna play guard.

1820
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna put him at guard, and they're gonna I

1821
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: have a giant gaping hole at right tackle and a

1822
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: huge question mark on cheeks the core where I left tackle. Now.

1823
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: The one thing that is I'm holding out hope for

1824
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 2: is that by the end of the summer, maybe Caden

1825
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: Wallace jumps Calvin Anderson and Vederian Low and they have

1826
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 2: something in Caiden Wallace to be the starting right tackle.

1827
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: Like maybe they hit on that pick right and now

1828
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: he's just starting right tackle.

1829
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: That's realistic. I like well, and I know, I you know,

1830
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: kind of complained about the plan to play Wallace at

1831
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: left tackle, but I like him as the right tackle.

1832
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: There's a solid pick if the plant's playing right tackle.

1833
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: By the way I found the tweet, this was Ian Rappaport.

1834
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: A couple of days after the on winn new contract

1835
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: became official. I actually quoted the team tweet of own

1836
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: wind who signing the contract. He said, note on Michael

1837
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: and Winnu, who signed a three year, fifty seven million

1838
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: dollar deal during free agency. He's expected to be the

1839
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: Patriots starting right tackle moving forward. Sources say the planners

1840
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: for the extremely versatile player to finally settle in on

1841
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: the right side. He is settling in on the right side.

1842
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh, he's settling in on the right side, all right,

1843
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: don't just I don't care he on top of this.

1844
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't care where he plays.

1845
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: And I don't see what the think do you say?

1846
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Okay drives me nuts. Just be honest. He's a guard.

1847
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: Be honest about it. Do you think they lied here

1848
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: or do you think they truly believed he was going

1849
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: to play tackle until they got out there in the

1850
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: spring and saw what their guard situation was.

1851
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm even more worried if the fact that, if the

1852
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: fact is is that they thought he was going to

1853
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: hold up at tackle. That makes me even more worried.

1854
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: But did they move Did they move him because you

1855
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: know him?

1856
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: Yes, you know?

1857
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Did they move him because they don't like what they

1858
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: have a guard?

1859
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy. You don't move the better player. The better

1860
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: player plays where he should play.

1861
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: They've moved the better player before.

1862
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: Okay, but you shouldn't do that. Okay, I don't disagree.

1863
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: You don't see the Dallas Cowboys going into training camp

1864
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 2: and saying we don't have a right tackle, so let's

1865
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: move Zach Martin too. Right tackles. Zach Martin's a left guard.

1866
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a left Guard's gonna go to Hall Famous.

1867
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: But they've moved the better player.

1868
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's also dumb, Like he just don't tell

1869
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 2: me he's a tackle. If you and then get into

1870
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: training camp on day one and have him playing guard,

1871
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 2: it's it's silly, it's nonsense.

1872
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Well look it did I think. I think this is

1873
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: the plan, but I don't know. I there's there's multiple conversations,

1874
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: and now the plan needs to be he's the right guard,

1875
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: so that's where he is.

1876
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

1877
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: And then that makes it a lot easier because instead

1878
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: of doing different configurations Essentially all we have is the

1879
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: right tackle battle. If you know Chukes of Korp four

1880
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: is going to start the season, that left growing pains

1881
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,440
Speaker 1: and all of that. Well, that's not necessarily different combinations,

1882
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's just Kayden Wallace, Calvin Anderson, Darian Lowe. I

1883
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they throw Tyrone Wheatley in there

1884
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: at some point, like it's just a bat. It's just

1885
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: a position battle or right tackle, and I can live

1886
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: with that. It's not ideal, but you're seriously banking on

1887
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: Chuokes of cor four working out.

1888
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: But I live with that that. You have to live

1889
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 2: with that because that the chus. Yes, I understand that

1890
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 2: that that that's happened.

1891
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go watch Will Campbell squat more after

1892
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: after we just but it's me, I'm tell and we

1893
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: have to do a show again. We don't know, we

1894
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know by the time. Maybe these are the only

1895
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: couple combinations we're seeing. I'm still not rolling out. There's

1896
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: a conversation combination waiting Friday, Monday whenever where Mike when

1897
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: winds at right tackle and it's they used a fourth

1898
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: round pick on a guard. These one hundred third overall

1899
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: pick on a guard that's a player you would expect

1900
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: to start.

1901
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 2: That would concern me. I'd be even more worried if

1902
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now they're gonna they'd put Mike

1903
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: on Wnu at right guard in a non padded practice

1904
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 2: just to kick them back outside to right tackle like that.

1905
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 2: That just doesn't make anything.

1906
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: But I'm saying not all of a sudden, it's they

1907
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: essentially haven't scripted day one, this is a combination, Day two,

1908
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: this is the combination. Day three, this is the combination date.

1909
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, that goes back to your point, that is that's

1910
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: that's asking for trouble. Yeah, you gotta stick with one.

1911
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: Well, what's so what they have five practices before pads Wednesday, Thursday,

1912
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Friday at four. So maybe the plan is we're gonna

1913
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: try four different combinations and then whichever one we think

1914
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: that's the best shot. That's who were putting out their

1915
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Tuesday for bads.

1916
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: So my other concern about all of this is that

1917
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: to your point, because they don't have cold strange right now,

1918
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:11,799
Speaker 2: they don't love their guards.

1919
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: I don't think not having cold strangers exacerbating this issue.

1920
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I think it might be because if

1921
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 2: they feel like cold Strange is solid, is good, then

1922
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 2: when he comes back, he goes back to left guard,

1923
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,839
Speaker 2: city goes back to right guard on when it goes.

1924
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Too many pieces at that point, play everybody where they're

1925
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna play, and just find Cold Strangers back up. That.

1926
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: This is my point though, is like I would not

1927
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: be surprised if we get into let's say Cold Strange

1928
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: comes back at the gate and we gave well, now

1929
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 2: cold Strange is back, so we're gonna we're gonna go

1930
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: to this line, and now all of a sudden, halfway

1931
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: through the year, you're changing the line.

1932
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, if they know that's the

1933
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 1: plan right now, they should be working with Mike go

1934
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: and Winuitt tackle and just okay, who's gonna hold down

1935
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: left guard until col Strange comes to Backus's Nick Leverett,

1936
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, whoever.

1937
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: You're it's a non padded practice. Just put Nick Leverett

1938
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 2: in there for just the time being as a placeholder,

1939
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: right like that. If that's what the plan was, If

1940
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 2: that is the plan, that's what they should be doing.

1941
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: But instead what they're doing is they're putting Mike on

1942
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: right now.

1943
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they know what the plan is. I

1944
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: think the plan for this week is to figure out

1945
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: what the plane is when the pads come on. Jeez,

1946
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: all right, we knew it's going to be bad. But

1947
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: what I was hoping was is coming into camp there

1948
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be all these musical chairs. I was hoping that

1949
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: we were going to get into camp. And besides, maybe

1950
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: right tackle because of Kid and Wallace, Like Kiden Wallace

1951
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: is a rookie and he's going to come along slower

1952
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: than maybe they had a placeholder there for him, like

1953
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson yesterday when they came out and Calvin Anderson

1954
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: was the right tackle. Yeah, I said, placeholder.

1955
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 2: Cool, All right, fine, you know it's the same thing

1956
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: with Jacobe bres said, right like, if we have a placeholder,

1957
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: they have a bridge and then eventually they're going to

1958
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: pass it.

1959
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: The rookie win the job. That's a perfectly fine get

1960
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: that approach at any position.

1961
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: But now you know they're moving pieces around already with

1962
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe playing right tackle, and this this is how

1963
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: you get yourself into trouble. Pick a five. Yeah, it's

1964
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: not gonna be great on paper. It's they're not gonna

1965
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,799
Speaker 2: be the the you know, nineteen ninety whatever Dallas Cowboys,

1966
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 2: right like, they're not gonna be awesome on paper, but

1967
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: pick a five, stick with the five and let's roll.

1968
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 2: Like this whole musical Chairs act is gonna get them

1969
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 2: into trouble. Now that being said, Calvin Anderson, I did

1970
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 2: want to touch on him briefly. Had a good chat

1971
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: with him, first of all, Like I just kind of

1972
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: hope that he makes it because he's super nice, nice,

1973
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: been through a yeah, like been through an absolute ton

1974
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: and he's like just genuinely a good a good dude.

1975
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 2: From my interactions that I've had with him, he would

1976
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: I asked him straight up about playing in an outside

1977
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: zone scheme, and you would have thought that I like

1978
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 2: just gave him, you know, a PS five on Christmas morning,

1979
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 2: right like his face just like lit up. He was

1980
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: like this is I love this, Like this is the

1981
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: offense I want to play in, Like this is all awesome,

1982
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 2: Like this is this is built for me. So I

1983
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: really am cautiously, cautiously optimistic that he could hold down

1984
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: that spot for the time being until Caden Wallace comes back.

1985
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 2: It does fit him. He's an athletic guy. He's a

1986
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: you look at it, go back and look at his

1987
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 2: combine testing numbers as rass relative athletic score is high.

1988
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: It was like nine something, I want to say, or

1989
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: maybe is eight eight high eight slow, nine something around there.

1990
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: He's an athletic dude. He can move, he can move latterly,

1991
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 2: He's got all the tools to be able to block

1992
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 2: in this system. So I'm cautiously optimistic that he might

1993
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 2: be in a much better place this time around right

1994
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: and that could maybe hold his water a little bit

1995
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: with the with the right tackle spot. But I'm with

1996
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. Like they have to pick a five,

1997
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: and they I just want to see on Monday be

1998
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: dialed into five guys, and I don't want it to change.

1999
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 2: Like the good teams, the good lines, they have a

2000
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: starting five, and barring injury, that doesn't all training camp,

2001
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 2: it's the same five dudes.

2002
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean, be open and changing if it doesn't work.

2003
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, like pick a group,

2004
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: give him a week and see what that looks like.

2005
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 2: And if in Detroit they're not having this conversation, they

2006
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 2: know the five guys, they've known the five guys all

2007
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 2: off season.

2008
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: I think the same five guys from last year, right,

2009
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: and they and.

2010
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 2: There's no question of like is this guy a guard

2011
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: a tackle and is that guy gonna play? Is this guy?

2012
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: No? No, well I'm not. You're talking about a team

2013
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: that's been building its roster for years versus a team

2014
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: that's in year one.

2015
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm it's different. No, I'm not saying that the Patriots

2016
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: personnel should be on that level. I'm just saying that

2017
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: I said earlier that I wanted to be Mike Grease,

2018
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 2: so I just acted like Mike be the Detroit Lions.

2019
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 1: I like the Detroit I'm fine if they want to

2020
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: have a battle at one position. If you want to

2021
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: battle it right tackle and make Calvin Calan, Caten Wallace

2022
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: win the job, fine, like, but just the best right

2023
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: start start coming up with some continuity. God, I mean,

2024
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 1: he still probably was even play a guard.

2025
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 2: He's still all that. That whole thing was all bogus.

2026
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: All right, that's all I'm saying. I've talked a little

2027
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 2: bit about that. Let's let's talk about some of the

2028
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: receivers quickly here, and then we will talk some defense.

2029
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,839
Speaker 2: I promise. I know we've been pretty offensivy, pretty.

2030
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Usual non padded practice.

2031
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: So first, the first thing I wanted to I wrote

2032
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: down I wanted to talk about was just Jalen Polk's

2033
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 2: overall involvement. It's it hasn't been that he hasn't been

2034
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: lighting up practice or anything like that. Uh, but he's

2035
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: clearly somebody that they see as an immediate contributor. I

2036
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: think that's safe to say. And he's gotten a ton

2037
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 2: of targets and he's caught a few of them, Like

2038
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 2: it hasn't been a complete over and he's involved heavily.

2039
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like they look at Jalen Polk and

2040
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 2: there's been some rumblings from inside the building that they're

2041
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 2: pretty uh bullish on what they've seen from Jalen Polk

2042
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 2: so far. It seems like he's going to be a

2043
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: guy that's going to be in the mix right away. Yeah.

2044
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I wrote yesterday that the big takeaways he seems to

2045
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: have the early trust of the coaching staff. Yeah, Like

2046
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: they're give him opportunities and it's like you said, he's

2047
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: made the most of or not made the most of it,

2048
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: but he's he's made some plays. There's a couple of

2049
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 1: plays maybe he's left on the table. He was on

2050
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: the wrong side of a really good pass breakup from

2051
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones today. But Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones, thank you.

2052
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: But he's he's out there. He's out there. He's heavily involved,

2053
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon. Trod

2054
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: Meyellio Wolf talked at the draft about play the kids.

2055
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: That's what we're seeing, like he's getting the opportunities to

2056
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: go out there show what he can do and improve.

2057
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he doesn't jump off the practice field at

2058
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: you with like speed or you know, explosiveness or anything

2059
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: like that. But he's very smooth. You can tell that

2060
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 2: he's efficient with his movements, and he's made some plays

2061
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: underneath the defense that I think have been a little

2062
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 2: bit more impressive than the downfield targets that haven't been

2063
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: quite as successful. You know, very first throw I think

2064
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: of training camp, but from Jacoby Brissett on Marcus Jones,

2065
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 2: just like a little option route in the slot, quick out,

2066
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: made the cash in front of Christian gonzales On on

2067
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 2: the incut. Those types of plays. I feel like he's

2068
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 2: gonna thrive on more in the pros than maybe he

2069
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 2: did at Washington I mean, you watched a ton of

2070
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 2: that Washington offense, probably more than anybody. Yeah, and you

2071
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 2: know how that offense was. They didn't run routes in

2072
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 2: that offense. It's just run to space and Pennix will

2073
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: find you.

2074
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: And I think you're seeing a good mix of He

2075
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: has a real knack. This is one of my favorite

2076
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: things about him in the draft. He has a real

2077
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: knack for understanding what the defense is trying to do

2078
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and getting himself to a spot where the quarterback can

2079
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: make a play. And he's combined that, you can call

2080
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: it a skillion, called an instinct, whatever you want to

2081
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: call it. He's combined that with he actually is looking

2082
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable as a outrunner, I would say through a

2083
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: couple of days.

2084
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 2: So now tapped. I think in college, I think he's

2085
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a guy in the pros that's gonna

2086
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: live at the first and second level. Yeah, Whereas in

2087
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: college because of the offense he played in, it was

2088
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 2: they were down the field.

2089
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a second level guy. We talked about

2090
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: him leading into the draft is kind of a more

2091
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: explode of Jacoby Myers, and that's exactly what we've gotten

2092
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: through two days and going back to the spring.

2093
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hope here is that some of these fifty

2094
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 2: to fifty balls that he's been targeted on down the field,

2095
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 2: once the quarterbacks have like a better feel for his

2096
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 2: pacing and like where he likes the ball right, then

2097
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 2: that maybe those things will be completed more often. You know,

2098
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 2: does he like it coming over his shoulder? Does he

2099
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 2: like to high point it, does he like to back

2100
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 2: shoulder it? Like those are the types of things that

2101
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 2: you talk about with the quarterbacks. And then eventually two

2102
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 2: weeks from now, they're putting the ball in the right place,

2103
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 2: and now he's making plays on those balls that were

2104
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,480
Speaker 2: falling in complete earlier on in training camp. I'm optimistic

2105
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: that that can turn. Like, he's never going to be

2106
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna run by anybody, but if he

2107
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: can just have that threat of being able to go

2108
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: down the field a little bit and then win maybe

2109
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 2: in some contested situations every once in a while, it'll

2110
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: open up that second level for him even more. But

2111
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 2: I've been optimistic about what I've seen. I still think

2112
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 2: that the Jacobe Meyers, Tyler Boyd like that type of player.

2113
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: Is we where we were right on it like with

2114
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: those comps, like I feel that's how I feel when

2115
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: I watch him. Still, we haven't seen a ton of

2116
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: Javon Baker quite yet. He participating, but I think with

2117
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 2: the thumb injury in the spring, he's maybe a step

2118
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 2: behind Polk just from a learning standpoint at this point.

2119
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 2: So we'll probably have more to say I would say

2120
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 2: on on Javon Baker in a couple of weeks, like

2121
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: I feel like he'll catch up and and he'll be good.

2122
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: You know, he still looks like some of the things

2123
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 2: we said in the spring, but I don't want to

2124
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 2: overreact too much to some of the.

2125
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: One thing with him, Like he had a thumb injury, right,

2126
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 1: so he doesn't look like he's having any issues catching

2127
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: the football.

2128
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good point. Okay, can we talk

2129
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: about Tae Kwon? Now? Can we do it? Yeah?

2130
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Well, I think we got to talk

2131
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: about Tae Kwon and Jalen Rager together.

2132
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 2: That's exactly how I wrote it down. Taekwon versus Jalen

2133
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 2: Rager is the battle we didn't know we needed, but

2134
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: now it's amazing.

2135
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: But it's not like, let you are you ready to

2136
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: talk about Maurice Harris because we'renna talk about.

2137
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. There is a giant role on

2138
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 2: this team, a gaping hole in this offense for somebody

2139
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: that can add some vertical speed to this team. If

2140
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 2: they are coming out in you know, whatever personnel grouping,

2141
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if they're coming out on the field,

2142
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: and it's like Jalen Polk and Pop Douglas and Hunter

2143
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: Henry and like you know, Osborne or Juju or whatever

2144
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 2: ends up being the third guy. Yeah, Pop is gonna

2145
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 2: is explosive, but he's not a deep thread, right, and

2146
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 2: they are going to be an offense that's still going

2147
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 2: to be operating in a phone booth if they have

2148
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 2: nobody that can run out by anybody on the outside.

2149
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 2: The only two guys on the roster unless Javon Baker

2150
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 2: starts to really come on here. And it's different with Baker,

2151
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: like he's not necessarily he's not a four to three guy.

2152
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: It's just he wins vertically differently. But maybe he can

2153
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 2: be the vertical X. It's the vertical X receiver. And

2154
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Jalen Rager and Taekwon Thornton are in a battle royale

2155
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 2: for making this roster in that spot. We've both been

2156
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more on the Rager train just because

2157
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 2: of the returnability, which I do think is a factor

2158
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 2: in this. But in general, h Ragger day on Day

2159
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 2: one kind of a Taekwon day today. I want to

2160
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 2: put in the context with Taekwon, No, a lot of

2161
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: it was like underneath stuff, Like most of it was

2162
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 2: seven on seven. Yeah, it wasn't a whole lot down

2163
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 2: the field like Rager's catch on Day one.

2164
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Well, I would I would say in Taekwon's defense before,

2165
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I kind of diminished both what he and Rager did.

2166
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: In Taekwan's defense, you like seeing him catch the ball

2167
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: underneath because that was what he couldn't do. We knew

2168
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: he could run a go route, but can you get

2169
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: yourself open underneath and catch the ball? And can get

2170
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: yourself open in the middle of field and catch the ball,

2171
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: and he did that today. That all being said, couple things.

2172
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 1: One with Taekwon, it's about staying healthy as much as

2173
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: anything else. Yeah, get through camp. He's opened his first

2174
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: two NFL seasons on ir get through camp, and that

2175
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: you can't win the competition if you can't do that.

2176
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Second of all, we've seen the seven where the pads

2177
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: aren't on yet and the fast guys are just running by.

2178
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: Everybody want of draft fast guys, draft fast guys, right,

2179
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: but you don't even have to draft him again. To

2180
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: go back to Maurice Harris, we both thought it was

2181
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 1: our first year covering the team. They had the second

2182
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: coming Randy Moss. Turns out some players are better when

2183
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 1: you can't touch them. So to my point about Taekwon

2184
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: Thornton running the underneath stuff, yeah, it's encouraging to see,

2185
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: but also I want to see him do it when

2186
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: they can jam him at the line of scrimmage. Can

2187
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:27,600
Speaker 1: he get off a jam? Things like that? And the

2188
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: same goes for Jalen Rager. Can he make catches when

2189
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: the receivers can be more physical than him? Can he

2190
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: run by guys when you're able to get a little

2191
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 1: more handsy and you can kind of bump and run

2192
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: down the field.

2193
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: So in no offense, but maybe it's not as eazy

2194
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: Hearn that's the guy in coverage, and maybe.

2195
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: It's Christian No he beat the deep Boss by Marcus Jones,

2196
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: I think yesterday, right, No, that was easy Hearn the

2197
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, they weren't both were they both as

2198
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: easy hearn? Okay, well again, well the very least let

2199
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: his easy hearn play physically because he's a physical corner.

2200
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, I'm not trying to pick on his

2201
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 2: easy hurt.

2202
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: No, I know, I I just have trouble. It is

2203
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: what it is, and they had good days and they

2204
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: deserve credit for having good days, and having good days

2205
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: at this point is better than not having good days

2206
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: at this point. So it's laying the foundation. But we've

2207
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: done this long enough, Evan that we've seen speed guys

2208
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: pop in the first week and then the pads come on.

2209
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: We forget about him within a day. So I do

2210
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: think one of them is gonna make the team. I

2211
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 1: still go Rager. It doesn't I was saying this yesterday.

2212
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: Whenever it's like, oh, you were saying Rager and he

2213
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: had this great day, look at that. No, I still

2214
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: think Jalen Rager is gonna make the team. Has nothing

2215
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: to do with what happened yesterday, because at the end

2216
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: of the day, one of the guys can play special teams,

2217
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the other one can't. He's also just been better in games,

2218
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: and he's been a better player in the past that too.

2219
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's I'm not gonna get hyped about either

2220
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: of them as receivers until the pads come on. Like

2221
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: they again, they had good days. Give him credit for it,

2222
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 1: they deserve it, but I'm not ready to make any

2223
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: sweeping proclamation about either of them before the pads come on.

2224
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 2: Fair points. The one encouraging thing has nothing to do

2225
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 2: with either one of those guys. But they do have

2226
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 2: a quarterback, especially with Drake May. But I also think

2227
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 2: Jacoby ber Said as a much bigger arm than Mac

2228
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Jones or Bailey Zappy. So they have these quarterbacks now

2229
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 2: that if Taekwon Thornton gets behind the defense fifty yards

2230
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 2: down the field, they have a quarterback that can actually

2231
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 2: throw it, yeah, fifty yards down the field. So when

2232
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 2: I watch Thornton and I watch Rager, do I think

2233
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 2: either one of those guys is all of a sudden

2234
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: going to become, you know, fifteen hundred yard receiver. No,

2235
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 2: of course not. But they have a quarterback now that's

2236
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: going to be able to actually get the ball down

2237
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 2: the field, and that makes their speed a little bit

2238
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: more threatening.

2239
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

2240
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy I keep coming back to with

2241
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: both of them, but especially with Taekwon is tes Walker,

2242
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like Drake May was able to

2243
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,799
Speaker 2: do it with tes Walker. They are very similar players

2244
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: to me in terms of their skill set. I think

2245
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 2: tes Walker might be a little heavier, but in general, yeah,

2246
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 2: they're similar guys. And that's the type of receiver that

2247
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 2: Drake May on the outside likes to throw to. You know,

2248
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: he likes to throw to a guy that could win deep.

2249
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 2: I think Javon Baker is gonna eventually be that dude

2250
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the guy that he's gonna feature mostly

2251
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 2: going deep, but that speed X receiver is a guy

2252
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 2: that they need. Not only are they gonna, in my opinion,

2253
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,799
Speaker 2: needed vertically, but I think there's also a horizontal element

2254
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,560
Speaker 2: of it too. They're gonna need somebody that's gonna be

2255
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 2: a threat on jet motion and different you know, types

2256
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 2: of motions and things like that. You know, maybe that's

2257
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, but I think you have to get back

2258
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: to the conversation of managing you know, body blows with

2259
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas too, and managing his workload to make sure

2260
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 2: he stays healthy, you know, Rager Thornton. Those guys could

2261
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 2: be guys that are used as a jet sweep even

2262
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 2: if it's just as smoking mirrors, you know, if they

2263
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 2: don't actually get the balld. But that type of thing.

2264
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm with this type of offense. So I'm with you.

2265
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get to any grand proclamations. I'm not

2266
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 2: gonna get all hot and bothered by Taekwon Thworton and

2267
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 2: and today. I've honestly been more hot and bothered by

2268
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 2: Taekwan in other days than today because so much of

2269
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 2: it was, like, you know, he's catching like five six

2270
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 2: yard passes, Like I'm not going to get crazy about that.

2271
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 2: You know, I was more impressed with him. It's at

2272
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 2: points in the spring, to be honest, with some of

2273
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 2: the things that he did down the field. You know,

2274
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 2: he made that one catch I remember in the spring

2275
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 2: way like deep ball from Drake May Like that was

2276
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 2: the most impressive play he's made so far this offseason. Still,

2277
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 2: so I'm with you on that. Let's move away to

2278
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 2: the defense. I got a few more minutes here to

2279
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: talk about some of this.

2280
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: I do you have one special team's thought too? Again?

2281
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I wanted to ask you about that about special

2282
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 2: teams in general in the second, But first I want

2283
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 2: to start with Marcus Jones. Yeah, I feel like he's

2284
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 2: probably been the highlights so far on the defense. Obviously,

2285
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: you know you're not going to talk too much about

2286
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 2: the defensive line and not bad practices, but a big

2287
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 2: question coming into to the spring and to the summer,

2288
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, I was whether people thought he

2289
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 2: was a good football player or not. Miles Bryant played

2290
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: a ton for this team last year and he's no

2291
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 2: longer here, so that slot corner roll is completely up

2292
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 2: for grabs. We've talked at times about Alex Austin playing

2293
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 2: outside and John Jones kicking back inside. So far, I

2294
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 2: feel like we've seen more Gonzales and Jones on the

2295
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 2: outside with Marcus Jones in the slot as like their

2296
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: primary nickel. Yeah. Look, and Marcus Jones, to his credit,

2297
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: has been awesome. It's been good.

2298
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: A great pass breakup on Jalen Polk today. You know,

2299
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: bigger receiver and we've seen him. We saw him do

2300
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: it two years ago, contend with those bigger receivers and

2301
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: he definitely has an act for that. So he's been good.

2302
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 1: In him being good unlocks a lot because we talked

2303
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: about there's they're better on the boundary than they are

2304
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: in the slot. You know they have talent in the slot,

2305
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,600
Speaker 1: but maybe not as much depth. If Marcus Jones is

2306
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,759
Speaker 1: the guy you're comfortable putting in that spot the majority

2307
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: of the time, it gives you the freedom to put

2308
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones on the boundary. You don't have to maybe

2309
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: put as much on the plate of a guy like

2310
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: Alex Austin or Isaiah Bolden who's been getting a ton

2311
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: of run in that role as well, and it stretches

2312
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 1: it out. So good start again, smaller player. Let's see

2313
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: when the Pats come on. You know, I'm broken record.

2314
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 2: With that, but maybe it's good start for him, good

2315
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 2: start for him. He deserves credit for that. And I

2316
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 2: would also say that with Marcus Jones and Alex Austen,

2317
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: it feels very matchup based. Right. If you are playing

2318
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 2: a team that has bigger receivers, right, then maybe that

2319
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 2: week it's Alex Austen and Gonzales on the outside with

2320
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: John Jones going back to the middle of the field.

2321
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 2: But if you're playing Miami. You know, we say this

2322
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 2: all the time about Marcus Jones, great matchup against Miami, and.

2323
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely And what's encouraging and you see guys

2324
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: like Alex Osten having success and you see guys like

2325
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones having success. Is there's now an ability to

2326
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,839
Speaker 1: mix and match ye, and you don't have to handcuff

2327
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: yourself on your personnel. You have the depth and you

2328
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: have the diversity of skill sets to be able to

2329
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: play different teams in different ways. And that's when you

2330
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 1: can truly be game play and defense, which is ultimately

2331
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 1: what they want to be.

2332
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should also mention on defense that Matthew

2333
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 2: Judon is out there participating and he looks like a

2334
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, full participant in these practices. He's not holding in,

2335
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,639
Speaker 2: he's not limited in any sort of way. It doesn't

2336
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: seem like and there still seems to be you know,

2337
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 2: the one front seven guy ade point two. There still

2338
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 2: seems to be a decent amount of buzz about Keon

2339
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 2: White and his role in all of this. They've been

2340
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 2: in a lot of their like two down linemen pass

2341
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 2: rushing fronts so far because it's such a pass heavy

2342
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 2: time of year, and he's been in that group and

2343
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 2: he's been sort of working as more of a stand

2344
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 2: up player. I still feel like we have to figure

2345
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 2: out where he what he is like, is he a

2346
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 2: stand up guys hand in the dirt guys he had

2347
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 2: outside linebacker? You know, maybe a guy that can run

2348
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 2: Russia inside, you know at times to and reduce inside

2349
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 2: over a guard or something like that. But Keon White

2350
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 2: is continuing to buzz a little bit. I would say,

2351
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 2: is there anybody else on defense that you feel like

2352
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 2: deserves a shout? Sort of?

2353
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 1: And this is where I get into my Special team's take. Okay,

2354
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: you know who's been playing a good amount of safety

2355
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: even a little bit with the ones Brendan Schooler. Brendan Schooler. Yeah,

2356
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: And I wonder this is one of the big questions

2357
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: of the post Belichick era, how is it going to

2358
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: work with these special team specific players We've seen chrishnellis

2359
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Joe Giles, Harris get a ton of run on defense,

2360
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: guys that we think are gonna be in that role.

2361
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: I wonder with Schooler, is it one of two things?

2362
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: I guess it could be a little bit of both.

2363
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: All Right, we want you as our Special Teams captain,

2364
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 1: but we need you ready because you're also going to

2365
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: be an emergency safety for us and they don't have

2366
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:24,839
Speaker 1: a ton of depth at deep safety. It's Jalen Hawkins

2367
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: and then he's kind of been the next guy when

2368
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 1: they want to put Dugger in Pepper's both in the box. Yeah,

2369
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 1: or is it we have Jalen Hawkins who can play

2370
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: special teams like you and you can play free safety,

2371
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: So what more can you do for us?

2372
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 2: Kind of thing?

2373
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 1: Right? So, I and in the past he's played there

2374
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's been a lot more this

2375
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: summer than he did the last two years. In the past,

2376
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: he was kind of just with that third unit. It

2377
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: felt like they needed a body to get eleven guys

2378
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: on the field and he was out there. No, this

2379
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: is he's getting like real safety reps. Yeah, and I

2380
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,639
Speaker 1: think he might have ret over John at Joshua Bleds

2381
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: so at times.

2382
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2383
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 2: So it we should mention, you know, without Marte Mapu.

2384
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 2: You know some Marte Mopu not a deep safety necessarily,

2385
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 2: but it's just another safety that wasn't practicing. But I

2386
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 2: feel like the Jalen Hawk No.

2387
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 1: But but even yesterday, even yes, he was.

2388
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 2: More with the twos yesterday today I noticed it with

2389
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 2: the one.

2390
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I it does feel like and maybe it's

2391
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 1: just on an emergency basis and that's probably all it

2392
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,719
Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, it does feel like they're getting Brandon

2393
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: Schooler ready to play some safety.

2394
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins. That whole thing seems to be cooling off

2395
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 2: a little bit.

2396
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: You think, So maybe I feel like he's been out

2397
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 1: there good amount.

2398
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I haven't noticed it as much as I should. Again,

2399
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,759
Speaker 2: you know, when we do the shows during practice, I've.

2400
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Not he was right. He was also playing some slot

2401
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 1: corner today.

2402
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe I missed that.

2403
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: They're they're putting him that he's been on the field

2404
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 1: a lot, but it hasn't just been at free like

2405
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: he's in the box a little bit today. I saw

2406
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 1: him he got a couple of reps in the slot,

2407
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: So I think they're just getting him ready for a

2408
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 1: very multiple role.

2409
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 2: All Right, one more quick thing on the day. I

2410
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 2: actually I've liked what I've seen Autam Marcellus dial to

2411
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 2: is that some good the other some good coverage moments

2412
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 2: like away from the ball and stuff like that that

2413
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,719
Speaker 2: I've seen. I really like their corners.

2414
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: It's their best position.

2415
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it really is. I Mean, there's

2416
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 2: some questions about who's gonna play wear and that sort

2417
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 2: of thing, but it does you know christiangan Zalez and

2418
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,839
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones is your top two is already pretty solid

2419
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 2: and they have some options behind them, So I'm pretty uh,

2420
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,759
Speaker 2: I'm pretty optimistic. They get out there at practice yesterday

2421
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 2: and I couldn't help, but it was their starting defense.

2422
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 2: And they come out there and they have Christian Zalees

2423
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 2: on one side, Jonathan Jones on the other, Peppers and

2424
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 2: Dugger up top. They have Dietrich Wise, Godshaw, bar More

2425
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 2: Judaan on the outside to Vibe Bentley, And I'm just like,

2426
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a hunit man. That's a unit

2427
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,839
Speaker 2: like that. Like I'm like thinking of myself just compared

2428
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 2: to the rest of the league. And there aren't a

2429
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 2: whole lot of defenses in the NFL that you look

2430
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 2: at eleven starting caliber players.

2431
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,919
Speaker 1: And a lot of those guys have really good backups.

2432
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't.

2433
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't think you said ke On White, Like you

2434
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: didn't mention Daniel Quality who's back and healthy. You didn't

2435
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 1: mention Marcus Jones.

2436
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 2: There's just not a whole lot of holes. No, there's

2437
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of holes. Really quickly did before

2438
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: we wrap here? Is it just me? And maybe you

2439
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 2: disagree with this completely because you definitely pay more attention

2440
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,600
Speaker 2: to special teams than I do. It doesn't feel like

2441
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 2: they've done a ton of special teams through the first

2442
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 2: two days.

2443
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 1: They did one sort of punt on air thing today

2444
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: that was it. No, there hasn't been a lot of

2445
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: special teams.

2446
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,640
Speaker 2: So I are you upset? Are you disappointed? Is this

2447
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 2: hurt your feelings? Like they've basically treated your days of

2448
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 2: the game like it's not.

2449
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: One, it's a long camp.

2450
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 2: Two.

2451
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: Outside of field goal kicking, I'd like to see them

2452
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: do some because that's a battle, like let's see that. Yeah,

2453
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: But like the kickoff stuff, the punt stuff, that's so

2454
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: much more meaningful with pads, like you gotta be able

2455
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: to hit. Is there a chance that kickoff stuff is

2456
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna I also think there's an element of that too,

2457
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: that that's they're just gonna cram that when they put

2458
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas back on the field and all that after

2459
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: we're out it. No, I think it's a real chance

2460
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna hide the kickoff stuff. But like I haven't,

2461
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,839
Speaker 1: I haven't done the Stopwatch yet. Two days. No Stopwatch,

2462
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I thought of, So I was like,

2463
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: we don't have big times, but you know what, you

2464
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: want to work with gunners and all that. You gotta

2465
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 1: be able to hit. You gotta be able to hit.

2466
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 1: So I like to see it. But and ask me again,

2467
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: when we do the show next week and.

2468
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 2: We've had a few padded practice, I want you to

2469
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 2: come in here angry if there's not more special teams

2470
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 2: next week.

2471
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 1: If they haven't done it by this time next week,

2472
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: when you they'll have had what Monday will be padded yea,

2473
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,720
Speaker 1: probably Tuesday or and then two of the other three days,

2474
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: probably three of the four days next week will be padded. Yeah,

2475
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,600
Speaker 1: I'll be a little annoyed at that point. I'll be like,

2476
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Special teams? Wasn't great? We need

2477
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: to be better at this, But I I love it

2478
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: outside of the field goals, non padded practices. If they

2479
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: want to use this, they got a new offense to

2480
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: get installed. They're playing catch up a little bit. Yeah,

2481
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 1: I can understand that part.

2482
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 2: Jeremy Springers chilling.

2483
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 1: Is he chilling or is he in the left?

2484
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:06,799
Speaker 2: He's collecting the paycheck, cooking, he's doing American Dreamers.

2485
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: He has worked, He's working because I said, they're not

2486
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: doing field goal stuff. I'm talking about team field goal

2487
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: most of the time. When the and it's been a

2488
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: lot of seven on seven and eleven on eleven, that

2489
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 1: second field is wide open, and he's right there standing

2490
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 1: over Joey Sly and Chad Ryland as they're kicking and

2491
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: the is they're kicking field goals off the tee. So

2492
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: he and he's got two kickers to figure out. No,

2493
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:30,759
Speaker 1: he's working.

2494
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 2: We get a lot of questions about, you know, has

2495
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 2: this been different than a Belichick practice? What's different between

2496
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 2: this and Belichick's practices. Bill Belichick is not going to

2497
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 2: full practices without doing any special team. You're bringing out

2498
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 2: the Stopwatch within the first thirty minutes of the day.

2499
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 2: He won a training camp with Bill Belichick, Like, you

2500
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 2: are not getting this deep into training camp with this

2501
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 2: little special teams. I get the different.

2502
01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I get outside of field goal, which

2503
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I yeah, they could work on a little more. I'm

2504
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: not going to miss special teams reps in non padded practice.

2505
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 1: They're just they don't hold a ton of weight fair enough.

2506
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: But this is different or no, it's different, not good

2507
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 1: or bad. It is different again, but if they're still

2508
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 1: not doing it next week when the pads come on.

2509
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 1: Different story.

2510
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 2: Last thing on differences between Belichick and this it's very

2511
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 2: very very early to be talking about scheme and stuff

2512
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 2: like that. But defensively, it feels like nothing changed. Like

2513
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to have a couple of wrinkles

2514
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 2: here and there.

2515
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: That's another one that I think once we're out of there,

2516
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: they'll start.

2517
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that that DeMarcus coming in and

2518
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: Girod may are going to want to put their own

2519
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 2: spin on things and have, you know, different wrinkles and

2520
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit more aggressive in certain spots,

2521
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 2: certainly on first and second down. I saw a great

2522
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 2: stat in the FTN Fantasy like Almanac and Aaron Chats

2523
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 2: puts out, the Patriots were near the bottom end of

2524
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 2: the league in pressure rate on first and second down defensively,

2525
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 2: and they were top five on their down. So I

2526
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 2: build was not like all the pressure, all the pressure

2527
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 2: was coming on third down. Yeah, right, and they weren't

2528
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 2: cooking up that I think could change. But as of

2529
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 2: right now, if you told me, you know, is it

2530
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 2: a new playbook on defense? This is they're running the

2531
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 2: Belichick scheme defensively, and maybe we'll see some wrinkles down

2532
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 2: the road. But I'm not expecting to reinvent the thing. Yeah,

2533
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting it to reinvent the wheel. But I'm

2534
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 2: glad you're not too upset that you haven't been able

2535
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 2: to record anything.

2536
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: If you can't tell, I was worried about you for

2537
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: if you can't tell, I don't get too worked up

2538
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: about non pad of practice. I don't.

2539
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: It's probably a good approach, you know.

2540
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: I try, but I've been burned. No, I learned my

2541
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 1: lesson on that I've been burned.

2542
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 2: Who did I have?

2543
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 1: You had Maurice Harris? Who's the wide receiver? It's like

2544
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: twenty nine. I don't remember.

2545
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 2: There's a I think one of our very first arguments

2546
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 2: was over Gunner Roshevski.

2547
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 1: But I was right about gun you.

2548
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 2: I told you.

2549
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 1: You say, you said, direct quote, he does not belong

2550
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: in an NFL training camp.

2551
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 2: He isn't he did.

2552
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: He is an All Pro. He is an All Pro.

2553
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 2: I had one punt return against the Chargers in twenty twenty,

2554
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 2: and he won All Pro because.

2555
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: He is in All Pro. And you said he did

2556
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: not belong in an NFL training camp.

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01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 2: I was talking about him as a receiver. I'll admit

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01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 2: when I was wrong. No, no, no, that's not that's

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01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 2: not you not wrong, But that's not you were saying.

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01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 2: You said he did not belong in a kid. You

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01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 2: did not qualify it like that, because that doesn't make sense.

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01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 2: I got really excited about Philip Dorset one year. That's

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01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 2: what it was.

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01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:37,080
Speaker 1: Oh, that's fair that he at least was an NFL

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01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: because I liked him before he got here.

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01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:40,840
Speaker 2: Maurice Harris, Maury's Harris was a different for.

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01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: People who don't know who Maurice Harris is. And then

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01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up. Yeah, me and Evans first year spring practice.

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01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 1: It would neither have ever seen a spring practice because

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01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 1: those aren't open to the media. We go and Maurice

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01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 1: Harris was this guy the Patriots had signed. He'd like

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01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: bounced around the league. He's like twenty seventh. Wow, he

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01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: was younger, he's only thirty one. He was in like

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01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: his mid twenties. He'd been in Washington for a few years.

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01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: And the Patriots sign him in a one year deal

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01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: late in free agency, and uh, he tore it up

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01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: in the spring like he was awesome. He is great.

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01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 1: He's catching deep balls left and right from Tom Brady

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01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 1: and we walked out of there thinking, oh my god,

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01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 1: they found a guy and out of nowhere, just free

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01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 1: agent off the street. He's dominating and he was like

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01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 1: this tall, skinny guys, kind of built like Taekwon. And

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01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,839
Speaker 1: then they put the pads on and he completely disappeared.

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01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he made it through camp. I think

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01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: he got cut before camp.

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01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 2: And to be fair to him though, like Brady was

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01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 2: into it and I don't mean to pick on him. Yeah,

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01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 2: Brady was running over to him, and Brady kept throwing

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01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 2: to him.

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01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: But because he was always open, because they couldn't hit him,

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01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 1: and he was fast enough to run by him. Yeah,

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01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 1: and you learn the lesson that it's there's more to

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01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: it than that.

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01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we have to wrap up. Jack and Michigan

2595
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,120
Speaker 2: called in so well, I know, what's up Jack? How

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01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 2: you doing.

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01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Guys here?

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01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 5: May?

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01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the air. What's up?

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01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 5: Quick question? I am flying out to training camp the

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01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 5: week of the twelve. Are you guys gonna be there

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01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 5: signing things? I want to get a Catch twenty two

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01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:08,640
Speaker 5: flag created for myself for you guys to sign.

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01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing. I didn't a really had a that

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01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 2: big of a fan, and I really appreciate that. That's

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01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 2: like very flattering. Yeah, well we're at every camp practice.

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01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 2: I mean I am.

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I know, I'll be there. Yeah,

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01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: well it's only two practices that week is twelfth and thirteenth.

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01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll be at every practice. Alex is much

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01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 2: better than I am about about poking around at pre

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01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 2: practice because we do Unfiltered live on most days, but

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01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 2: by that time, we won't be doing the show live

2614
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 2: during practice, so I can. I'll definitely be down there

2615
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 2: and you should come say hi, or we can find you,

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01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 2: or vice versus. If somebody has a catch you have,

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01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 2: like a flag with the show logo on it.

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01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: They do.

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01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 5: I went to look for a PU or a Catch

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01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 5: twenty two flag, but they don't have them. So the

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01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 5: sun sits to a custom flag. You just send it

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01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 5: an image and they make.

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01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 1: It for you. If I see somebody waving a Catch

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01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 1: twenty two flag, I will absolutely come over.

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01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, absolutely awesome.

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02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 1: One.

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02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 2: Thanks Jack, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: That's we've got to sign like the inside, like like

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02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 1: each sign of too I think is the way to

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02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 1: do it right.

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02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Marie, we we need merch, like that's

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02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 2: what we're like. He's looking for a flag and we

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02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 2: don't have a flag to sell him. Like this is

2634
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 2: an opportunity. Where's mister Kraft Like I'm giving him more money.

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02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:22,840
Speaker 2: I hope they're listening upstairs.

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02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think like a Patriots jersey that's number

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02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty two that says catch on the back.

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02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:30,040
Speaker 2: That's that's not I feel like we could make a

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02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 2: T shirt with this logo on it easily.

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02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: No, do it a with the twenty two and it

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02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: says Catch is the name.

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02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 2: That's we're making more money for this organization.

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02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,080
Speaker 1: What good guys we are when they when they have

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02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: when they pay DK Metcalf the bag next spring. It's

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02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 1: because of all the Catch twenty two. I want flags.

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02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 2: When Matthew Judon gets his extension, I want him to

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02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 2: come thank us.

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02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:53,880
Speaker 1: We haven't sold the merch doesn't exist yet.

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02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, it will, all right, it will, all right. We're

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02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 2: gonna have to wrap it up, but we will be

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02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 2: back next week, probably around the same time because we

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02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:05,040
Speaker 2: write and we have different things going on, so it

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02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 2: might be a little bit later but before we sign off, Bridgestone,

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02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 2: the official tire of the New England Patriots, is proud

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Speaker 2: find a location near you. And one last time, Easy

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Speaker 2: to Drink, Easy to Enjoy bud Light, the official beer

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Speaker 2: sponsor for the New England Patriots. PEU live from practice

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02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 2: tomorrow eleven to one. When practice apps catch twenty two

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02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 2: of you Back Thursday next week. We'll see you guys then.

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02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:35,760
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