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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Chuck? I'm good? This is take two.

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Speaker 1: If we rarely do two takes, but Josh messed up

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Speaker 1: so bad, we should should we tell them what I said? Okay,

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Speaker 1: because then we have to do take three? All right? Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know. And as Chuck just said,

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Speaker 1: it's Josh here and Chuck there, and um we had

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Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about how it's getting to be

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Speaker 1: that time of year again, right, the tis the season

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Speaker 1: time to go. Cut down a perfectly healthy tree, prop

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Speaker 1: it up like some sort of corpse in the corner,

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Speaker 1: Hang things on it, yeah, exactly, decorate it? Yeah, decorate it. Um,

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Speaker 1: shuffle into the malls and turn out our pockets, right,

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Speaker 1: buy things for your family and friends. Have the endless

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Speaker 1: debate over whether or not Walmart Greater should say Happy

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Speaker 1: Holidays or Merry Christmas? Right, um, and just basically, you know,

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Speaker 1: celebrate another year past of surviving. Right. Um, that's what

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Speaker 1: we do in my house as Christmas is all about

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Speaker 1: the survival of it another year, opening soup cans with

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Speaker 1: I guess with Chuck and I are saying, it's the

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Speaker 1: holiday season, it's upon us, and um, clearly, the one

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Speaker 1: question that always comes to mind for me is should

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Speaker 1: I or should I not buy an extended product warranty?

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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of times our podcasts are

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Speaker 1: really interesting, um tidbits that you can share. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: this isn't interesting in that way, but I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know whether or not to purchase

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Speaker 1: they're trying to help you exactly. This is This is

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Speaker 1: precisely why we're we're broadcasting this podcast. It is um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's I never knew, and um, what I found

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Speaker 1: do I write It's like, do you want the apple

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Speaker 1: get the fried apple pies a Checkers by the way,

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Speaker 1: looking to get a warranty on the apple pie is

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Speaker 1: what I want to know. You could maybe, if you,

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Speaker 1: if you, if you should probably not um and and

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Speaker 1: that's actually one of the reasons. There's several. There's several.

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Speaker 1: There's no definitive answer whether should you should or shouldn't

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Speaker 1: it to you, we can't just say no. Um And

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Speaker 1: not a good idea. Right, we'll do both. But if

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Speaker 1: that extended warranty. Right, you want to give a well,

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Speaker 1: You're a sucker if you buy an extended warranty, but

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Speaker 1: And actually another stat for you there, Chuck. Did you

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Speaker 1: because you don't know what you're missing. Chuck, they have everything,

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Speaker 1: it's great, But actually best Buy also has extended warranties

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Speaker 1: UM wrote an article on extended warranties that came across

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Speaker 1: Most states, actually state law says that you've got thirty

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Speaker 1: So you may be paying for something, uh that's that's

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