WEBVTT - John Venn

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. I bet it's a

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<v Speaker 1>safe bet that most people listening have heard of a

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<v Speaker 1>Venn diagram. Seems likely, yeah, But the creator of the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of the Venn diagram, whose name was John Vin,

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<v Speaker 1>actually developed a much more complex set of relational diagrams

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<v Speaker 1>than the simplified ones that we often reference casually or

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<v Speaker 1>even see used in like, you know, newscasts or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps even more interesting. Although he is an important

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<v Speaker 1>figure in the fields of mathematics and logic, he eventually

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<v Speaker 1>left that work behind to write historical accounts of the

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<v Speaker 1>places and people that were important in his life. I

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<v Speaker 1>love this about him. He was also an inventor, not

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of stuff, but of something really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's just a fun person to talk about. So

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<v Speaker 1>he is in the spotlight today. John Vin was born

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<v Speaker 1>on August fourth, eighteen thirty four, to parents the Reverend

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Vin and Martha Sykes Ven. He was their first child.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born at Kingston upon hull Port in the

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<v Speaker 1>East Riding of Yorkshire. In northeastern England. Martha died when

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<v Speaker 1>John was pretty young, and at the age of twelve

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<v Speaker 1>he attended Sir Roger Chumley's School in London, which is

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<v Speaker 1>known more commonly as the Highgate School. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting time to attend Highgate, as the headmaster at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the Reverend John Bradley Dine, significantly expanded the

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<v Speaker 1>course offerings there to start, including mathematics and modern languages.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then would eventually become well known as a mathematician.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems to have benefited from this newer course of study.

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<v Speaker 1>John went to secondary school at City of London Academy, Islington.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Henry Ven, John's father, was rector of the Drypool

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<v Speaker 1>Parish when John was born, and he was also secretary

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<v Speaker 1>to the Society for Missions in Africa and the East.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was not the only activist Anglican priest in

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<v Speaker 1>the family. Henry's father, the Reverend John Vin, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of John Ven's were trying to separate him out. Was

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<v Speaker 1>very influential in the church and had been the leader

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<v Speaker 1>of a group called the Clapham Sect which lobbied for

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<v Speaker 1>progressive causes and change within the church, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>without and the Clapham sect supported the abolition of slavery

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<v Speaker 1>and advocated for prison reform, among other causes. In John

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<v Speaker 1>Ven's obituary in the Royal Society's Proceedings publication, it was written, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>no one could have had a more uncompromisingly clerical ancestry

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<v Speaker 1>and upbringing than had Ven his five or six immediate ancestors,

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<v Speaker 1>whose lives he gave in his notable book The Annals

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<v Speaker 1>of a Clerical Family were vicars or rector's, occupying positions

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<v Speaker 1>of importance in the Church. When it was time to

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<v Speaker 1>move on to higher education, Ben attended Gonvillin Keys College

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Cambridge, so often simply referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as Keyes. There he earned a degree in math and

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<v Speaker 1>ranked sixth among his fellow students in the final exam

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen fifty seven, but it was just the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a long relationship with the school. Ben went on

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<v Speaker 1>to a fellowship at Keys, and when that was completed

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty two, he was hired as a lecturer.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ben wasn't only a mathematician. During that same time period,

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<v Speaker 1>he became ordained as a priest in the Church of England.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like his father and grandfather and forebears. Starting in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty nine. After becoming a clergyman, he worked for

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<v Speaker 1>a brief period exclusively in the church at Chesnent, Herstfordshire

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<v Speaker 1>and Mortlake, Surrey, but then he decided to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to keyes and mathematics, although he did retain his clergy status.

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<v Speaker 1>As a lecturer, Ben taught an the discipline known as

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<v Speaker 1>moral science, meaning he talked about logic and probability. This

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<v Speaker 1>led to him serving as an examiner for the Moral

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<v Speaker 1>History Tripos. Tripos Is are academic exams, and Cambridge is

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<v Speaker 1>often cited as the place this term started. The origin

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<v Speaker 1>of the word isn't known with certainty, but it might

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<v Speaker 1>have come from the tripod stool that examiners used sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on them during the test. Ven's own works would inform

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<v Speaker 1>these exams later, a guide for students preparing for exams

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<v Speaker 1>that was written in eighteen ninety one recommended reading several

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<v Speaker 1>of Ven's books for the logic and methodology section of

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<v Speaker 1>the test. But even when he was lecturing and serving

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<v Speaker 1>as examiner himself, he said to have shifted the tripos

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<v Speaker 1>in developing the exam to reflect developing concepts in probability theory.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually stepped aside as examiner because he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on studying and writing about the school's history. He

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<v Speaker 1>also wrote about his own res boots in genealogy, publishing

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<v Speaker 1>that previously mentioned book Annals of a Clerical Family, which

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<v Speaker 1>traced the Ven family history to Devin, with a likely

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<v Speaker 1>earlier origin in Somerset. In his writing, John noted that

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<v Speaker 1>the name Ben had first been spelled with an F

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<v Speaker 1>instead of a V, but had changed at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the change was most likely to align more

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<v Speaker 1>closely with the common pronunciation that was used in the

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<v Speaker 1>West Country. A few years into his career teaching at Keys,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben published a book titled The Logic of Chance that

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<v Speaker 1>was in eighteen sixty six. Economist John Maynard Keynes is

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<v Speaker 1>often quoted as praising Ben's book, saying it was quote

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<v Speaker 1>strikingly original and considerably influenced the development of the theory

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<v Speaker 1>of statistics. The book sought to shift the way people

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<v Speaker 1>looked at probability, specifically by incorporating the idea of frequency

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<v Speaker 1>into mathematical prediction models, meaning how often a thing might happen.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked against the assay based probability interpretations that presumed

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<v Speaker 1>causality when looking at effects, which was why he felt

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<v Speaker 1>that longer runs of observation would offer greater insight. He

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<v Speaker 1>also made the case that the margin of error on

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<v Speaker 1>probabilities had to shift in proportion to the data set.

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<v Speaker 1>Smaller data sets would have larger margins of error, and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. These concepts were applied to scenarios like gambling

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<v Speaker 1>and birth outcomes. In the book, The Logic of Chance

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<v Speaker 1>became an important text in probability, and it had three

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<v Speaker 1>editions printed between its original eighteen sixty six published date

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen eighty eight. This was a paradigm shift in

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<v Speaker 1>its time. We know that, of course having more data

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<v Speaker 1>means you have better models of probability, but prior to

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<v Speaker 1>Ven's book, most of probability theory was based on the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the right formulas would be accurate predictors regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of the data set, but that of course led to

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<v Speaker 1>unpredictable outcomes. Then approach came to be known as frequentism.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition to being a big statement about how

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<v Speaker 1>logic and probability should be applied, Then made another interesting

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<v Speaker 1>statement with the book right out of the gate, because

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<v Speaker 1>he said in the preface that he wanted the information

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<v Speaker 1>in it to be accessible. Writing of probability quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>am convinced moreover that it can and ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>rendered both interesting and intelligible to ordinary readers who have

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<v Speaker 1>any taste for philosophy. The year after The Logic of

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<v Speaker 1>Chance was released, John Ven got married to Susannah Carnegie Edmondstone.

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<v Speaker 1>Susannah was born in Marlborough in eighteen forty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>like John, she was the child of an Anglican priest

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<v Speaker 1>that was the Reverend Charles welland Edmondstone. After the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them got married, they settled into married life in Cambridge.

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<v Speaker 1>They eventually had a child named John Archibald, but that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until sixteen years into the marriage, so Susannah would

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<v Speaker 1>have been about forty at the time that she gave birth,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an unusual situation for the time. Susannah is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting in her own right because she was hardly idle

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<v Speaker 1>in her time as a wife. Before John Archibald was born.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in fact a novelist. As her husband was

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<v Speaker 1>publishing books on probability, she was penning titles like The

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<v Speaker 1>Gwillians of Bryn Gwillian, which was published in eighteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>and that told the story of a family of children

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<v Speaker 1>who are raised by their father and governess after their

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<v Speaker 1>mother dies. She wrote several more novels, and she also

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<v Speaker 1>worked with John on some of his historical writing. All

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<v Speaker 1>of her novels except the last, were initially published anonymously.

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<v Speaker 1>Her last work of fiction, The Husband of One Wife,

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<v Speaker 1>came out in eighteen ninety four, and that book tells

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<v Speaker 1>the story that seems to mirror Susannah's own life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about a young woman who gets married and moves to

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<v Speaker 1>Cambridge to live with her husband. We're about to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the diagrams, but before we do, we will pause

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<v Speaker 1>for a sponsor break. In eighteen eighty one, John Ven

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<v Speaker 1>published another book, this one titled Symbolic Logic, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was in this work that he introduced the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>ven diagrams as part of set theory. Ven diagrams, as

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<v Speaker 1>many listeners already know, often use overlapping circles to represent

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<v Speaker 1>sets of data. The region that overlaps represents a commonality

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<v Speaker 1>among those sets of data. This is the most basic

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<v Speaker 1>way this concept is used in casual conversation, although it's

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<v Speaker 1>really a visual way to parse information and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>logic problems, and some ven diagrams can be much more complex,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of them show the way that sets intersect

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<v Speaker 1>and join together. For example, you might be given the

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<v Speaker 1>information that out of a group of people, five are

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<v Speaker 1>tall and three have green eyes, two are tall and

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<v Speaker 1>also have green eyes, and five members of the group

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<v Speaker 1>are neither tall nor have green eyes. Using a Venn

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<v Speaker 1>diagram with two overlapping circles, you could assign the number

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<v Speaker 1>two to the overlap section and label each of the

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<v Speaker 1>circles remaining areas one for the tall people, one for

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<v Speaker 1>the green eyed people. You've also accounted for two of

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<v Speaker 1>the tall people in the overlap, so you know there

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<v Speaker 1>are three more tall people, and the number goes into

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<v Speaker 1>the circle labeled tall. We've accounted for two green eyed people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that there's three, so a one goes

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<v Speaker 1>into the circle labeled green eyes. The number five, representing

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<v Speaker 1>the five people who have neither attribute, sits outside those

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<v Speaker 1>two circles. To figure out how many people there are

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<v Speaker 1>in total in the group, you'd add each of the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers you'd written down together. So the two people who

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<v Speaker 1>are tall and green eyed, plus the three people who

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<v Speaker 1>are only tall, plus the one person who only has

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<v Speaker 1>green eyes, plus the five people who have neither of

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<v Speaker 1>those attributes, so you know there are eleven people total.

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<v Speaker 1>There can also be ven diagrams with three circles, and

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<v Speaker 1>those are used to represent syllogisms. Those are logic arguments

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<v Speaker 1>in which two premises are a given and then a

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion is reached using deductive reasoning. A simple example would

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<v Speaker 1>be to say, all sneakers are shoes. That's premis ie.

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<v Speaker 1>Premise two is that some sneakers are blue. Therefore, your

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<v Speaker 1>deductive reasoning leads you to some shoes are blue. The

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<v Speaker 1>three circles overlap in a way that a central section

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<v Speaker 1>of the diagram is simultaneously part of all three circles.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the some blue shoes. Syllogisms were not new

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<v Speaker 1>to John Ven. They go all the way back to Aristotle,

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<v Speaker 1>and though his writings about them do not contain diagrams,

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<v Speaker 1>some logicians over the years have suspected that he may

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<v Speaker 1>have used them to work his ideas out. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Ven diagram is a way to visually represent the existence

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<v Speaker 1>and non existence of variables within sets. But this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really something that he came up with out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz of Leipzig, Germany lived in the seventeenth

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<v Speaker 1>and early eighteenth centuries, and he studied the use and

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<v Speaker 1>viability of diagrams to solve logic queries. He thought that

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<v Speaker 1>Aristotle's concepts on the matter needed some more work, but

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, he was drawn to that work because

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<v Speaker 1>he thought Aristotle's concept was compelling, writing quote, I hold

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<v Speaker 1>that the invention of the form of syllogisms is a

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<v Speaker 1>most beautiful of the human spirit. Leibnus's work started to

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<v Speaker 1>include the use of circles and linear progression to work

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<v Speaker 1>through syllogistic concepts, which when you look at them, are

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<v Speaker 1>very clearly a precursor of the ven diagram. Leibniz did

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<v Speaker 1>eventually favor using lines that created boxes as part of

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<v Speaker 1>their logical grouping. Yeah, he got away from circles, but

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<v Speaker 1>circles were favored by another logician, Leonard Euler, who was

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<v Speaker 1>born in Basel, Switzerland in seventeen oh seven. Although he

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<v Speaker 1>favored using circles to work out logic puzzles, he was

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<v Speaker 1>very clear that the shape was not the important thing,

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<v Speaker 1>noting in writing quote these circles, or rather these spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>for it is of no importance what figure they are of,

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<v Speaker 1>are extremely commodious for facilitating our reflections on this subject,

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<v Speaker 1>and for unfolding all the boasted mysteries of logic which

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<v Speaker 1>that art finds it so difficult to explain. Whereas by

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<v Speaker 1>means of these signs, the whole is rendered sensible to

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<v Speaker 1>the eye. We may employ, then spaces formed at pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to represent every general notion. And Euler's diagrams were well

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<v Speaker 1>known in his time, although he wasn't applying mathematics or

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<v Speaker 1>specifically algebra to them the way that then eventually would.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just ways of grouping ideas. There were other

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<v Speaker 1>mathematicians and logicians who worked in the manipulation of visual

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<v Speaker 1>diagrams to work out logic, both numerical and theoretical, but

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<v Speaker 1>John Ben's criticism of those who had come before led

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<v Speaker 1>him to work out his approach. He wrote, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>of Uller's work that it wasn't robust enough, stating quote,

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<v Speaker 1>any system which merely exhibits the mutual relations of two

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<v Speaker 1>classes to one another is not general enough. We must

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<v Speaker 1>provide a place and a notation for the various combinations

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<v Speaker 1>which arise from considering three, four or more classes. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we must be prepared for a complete generalization. Ben also

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<v Speaker 1>created way more complex diagrams than just two and three

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<v Speaker 1>circle ones, and some of those are developing ideas put

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<v Speaker 1>forth by the other two men we just talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben's book Symbolic Logic was also a defense and expansion

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<v Speaker 1>of the work of George Boole, who had died twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier at the age of forty nine, and specifically

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<v Speaker 1>his approach to algebraic mathematical logic. Boolean algebra represents relationships

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<v Speaker 1>tween objects or ideas, so it works differently than ordinary algebra.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, it doesn't require numeric quantities, but it can

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<v Speaker 1>operate with variables like truth or falsehood. Boolean algebra is

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<v Speaker 1>important because it's the foundation of things like probability and

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<v Speaker 1>geometry of sets, but perhaps mostly so because in modern

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<v Speaker 1>daily life it has impacted the way computer circuits are designed.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen eighty three, Ben decided to resign from his

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<v Speaker 1>position as an Anglican clergyman. He'd come to the decision

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<v Speaker 1>that Anglicanism didn't really align with his beliefs anymore, although

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<v Speaker 1>he did continue to be a part of the Church.

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<v Speaker 1>According to an account written by his son Quote, it

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<v Speaker 1>had long ceased to be regarded as an anomaly for

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<v Speaker 1>a clergyman to preach the then circumscribed evangelical creed and,

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, without the slightest insincerity, to devote

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<v Speaker 1>himself actively to philosophical studies, yet finding himself still less

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<v Speaker 1>in sympathy with the orthodox clerical outlook, then availed himself

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<v Speaker 1>of the clerical disabilities Act of a naturally speculative frame

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. He was wont to say later that, owing

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<v Speaker 1>to subsequent change and accepted opinion regarding the thirty nine articles,

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<v Speaker 1>he could consistently have retained his orders. He remained, indeed

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<v Speaker 1>throughout his life a man of sincere religious conviction. That

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<v Speaker 1>same year, also eighteen eighty three, John Vin was elected

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<v Speaker 1>to the Royal Society, and he received his science doctorate

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<v Speaker 1>from Cambridge. Six years after these events, in eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he published The Principles of Empirical or Inductive Logic, and

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<v Speaker 1>the opening of the Principles makes clear that ven has

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<v Speaker 1>been troubled by the way concepts of logic have been

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<v Speaker 1>poorly defined in communication about them, and that not practicing

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<v Speaker 1>clear establishing rules regarding logic arguments have hurt the field overall.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of a long quote, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>include it because it gives you grit insight into the

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<v Speaker 1>way he thinks about things. Quote. Since logic, as conceived

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<v Speaker 1>and expounded in this work is not an ultimate science

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense of being concerned directly with really first

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<v Speaker 1>principles of any kind, we find ourselves obliged, on a

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<v Speaker 1>general survey of our province, to take for granted that

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal has already been decided for us in

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<v Speaker 1>various directions. In other words, we have to demand a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of postulates, drawn partly from the region of metaphysics,

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<v Speaker 1>partly from those of psychology, physical science, grammar, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these postulates will be readily accepted. Others will

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<v Speaker 1>be admitted by those who have had any philosophic training.

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<v Speaker 1>Some might take it have hardly yet been duly appreciated

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<v Speaker 1>or even recognized. This being so, it would seem convenient

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<v Speaker 1>that the more important of these postulates should be prominently

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<v Speaker 1>and definitely stated at the outset. For one reason or another, however,

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<v Speaker 1>such a course seems seldom adopted, and the result has

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<v Speaker 1>been disadvantageous in more ways than one. This neglect to

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<v Speaker 1>state the postulates has, for instance, brought down upon the

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<v Speaker 1>logician charges of inconsistency and shortsightedness, which might as fairly

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<v Speaker 1>be brought against the representatives of most other sciences, but

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<v Speaker 1>which sounded damaging when he had to meet them alone.

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<v Speaker 1>It has also tended, as I shall trust to show

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<v Speaker 1>in the sequel, to encourage mistaken views as to the

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<v Speaker 1>functions and province of the science. Whilst the general objections

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<v Speaker 1>to such an emission on the grounds of method are

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<v Speaker 1>too obvious to need reinforcement. In a moment, we'll discuss

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<v Speaker 1>how Ven seemed to sort of turn on a dime

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of his interests and projects in the late

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighties. First, though, we'll hear from the sponsors that

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<v Speaker 1>keep the show going. So before the break, we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that in eighteen eighty nine John Ven published The Principles

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<v Speaker 1>of Empirical or Inductive Life, and even before that in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty eight, as he was working on the book,

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<v Speaker 1>then seemed to have decided that it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be his last work in logic and probability theory, because

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<v Speaker 1>he donated all of his personal Library on those subjects

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<v Speaker 1>to the Cambridge University Library and after that then ventured

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<v Speaker 1>into publishing non mathematical works at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, although they were books related to his work

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<v Speaker 1>in education. He published The Biographical History of Gonville and

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<v Speaker 1>Keys College thirteen forty nine to eighteen ninety seven in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety seven. This was a four volume project and

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<v Speaker 1>it included portraits of various people related to the school's history,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as additional illustrations. He also wrote an entry

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<v Speaker 1>for the Cambridge College series titled Simply Gonvillin Keys College.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben wrote several books that mentioned Keys, including Early Collegiate Life,

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<v Speaker 1>which walked through some accounts of what it was like

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<v Speaker 1>in its early days, laid out as narrative sketches. The

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<v Speaker 1>published lists of students who had been admitted to the

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<v Speaker 1>college in the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. Then worked

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<v Speaker 1>with his son John Archibald to assemble a list of

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<v Speaker 1>Cambridge alumni, which was also published as Alumni Cantabrigenses. This

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<v Speaker 1>included biographies of students and graduates, and it chronicle things

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<v Speaker 1>like students who had held offices in various organizations. An

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<v Speaker 1>unnamed colleague was quoted in Ven's obituary as saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it is difficult for anyone who has not seen the

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<v Speaker 1>work in its making to realize the immense amount of

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<v Speaker 1>research involved in this great undertaking. Apparently, Ven's research for

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<v Speaker 1>this book involved going through the archives and records of

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<v Speaker 1>not just the school, but also various churches to correctly

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<v Speaker 1>list all of the available details of each alumnus's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he would go to an alumnus's hometown church and

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<v Speaker 1>go through all of their records and do that for

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<v Speaker 1>all of these people on this list. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>he must have loved research. An obituary for Ben that

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<v Speaker 1>appeared in the British Medical Journal described his output about

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<v Speaker 1>Keys this way quote. The works which he wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>the college are somewhat voluminous and are characterized by thoroughness,

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<v Speaker 1>but are for the most part full of human interest.

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<v Speaker 1>As a rule, they are pleasant reading, though in parts

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<v Speaker 1>they are necessarily statistical statistics. Asie, he clearly had a

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<v Speaker 1>deep love for the school, where he had been both

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<v Speaker 1>a student and a teacher, and his dedication was recognized.

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<v Speaker 1>He was made president of Gonville and Keys College in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh three. In nineteen oh nine, there is this

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful and curious moment in Ven's life story, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about it kind of to a disproportionate

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<v Speaker 1>amount because it is one of those things that is

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<v Speaker 1>both charming and surprising, but it also shows how broad

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<v Speaker 1>the interests of his life were. He invented a bowling machine,

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<v Speaker 1>not in the sense of the sport of bowling that

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<v Speaker 1>we know it today in the US, but bowling as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to cricket. So for our listeners who are

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<v Speaker 1>more familiar with baseball, bowling is similar to pitching. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for any cricket officionados who are like, it's much

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<v Speaker 1>more complex and nuanced than that. We're just going for

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<v Speaker 1>wide strokes here. According to the saffron Walden Weekly News

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<v Speaker 1>from June eleventh, nineteen oh nine, quote, the preliminary of

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<v Speaker 1>what promises to be a sensation in the cricket world

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<v Speaker 1>took place on Fenners on Thursday week. Doctor Vin, president

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<v Speaker 1>of Keyes College, who is a Fellow of the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>Society and a Doctor of Science, has, in conjunction with

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<v Speaker 1>his son mister Javen, invented and patented a bowling machine

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<v Speaker 1>which in all probability will supersede the drudgery of bowling

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<v Speaker 1>at the practice nets. At the event mentioned in the article,

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<v Speaker 1>a number of cricketers visiting from Australia were able to

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<v Speaker 1>observe and test this machine, and they found it to

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<v Speaker 1>be quite impressive. The write up continues, quote the mission

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<v Speaker 1>can bowl any kind of ball at any variation of

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<v Speaker 1>pace or length, and can produce a deadly break either

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<v Speaker 1>from the leg or off side of the wicket. Batsman

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<v Speaker 1>wishing to practice any particular kind of stroke or perfect

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<v Speaker 1>himself in dealing with any kind of ball, may set

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<v Speaker 1>the machine up at one end of the pitch and

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<v Speaker 1>practice to his heart's content. And the Australians found it

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<v Speaker 1>to be formidable. Apparently it got the better of one

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<v Speaker 1>of their star players. Yes, some descriptions of this suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that this was kind of a feather in the cap

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<v Speaker 1>of England in terms of cricket reputation, to have vested

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<v Speaker 1>the Australians with a machine made by an Englishman. This

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<v Speaker 1>article describes the machine's design, noting that quote it is

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<v Speaker 1>not beautiful to look at, but its utility seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be undeniable, and it notes quote above, an ungainly base

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<v Speaker 1>equipped with strong springs and cords towers a gaunt iron

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<v Speaker 1>arm having at its summit a grip of four fingers

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<v Speaker 1>which rotate in either direction. The article also mentions that

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<v Speaker 1>people had been trying to invent a bowling machine for

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<v Speaker 1>cricket practice for quite a while, but no one had

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<v Speaker 1>been able to create one that could consistently deliver the

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<v Speaker 1>wide array of pitches that a human could until the

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<v Speaker 1>VENs did it. And they had, according to the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>patented this machine in England, the US and Australia. So

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like they might be on the verge of

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<v Speaker 1>a huge business opportunity, but that didn't happen. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to loop back to this machine in just a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Van wrote a biography of the school's second founder, titled

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<v Speaker 1>John Keyes, which was published in nineteen ten for Keys's

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<v Speaker 1>four hundredth birthday. John ven died on April fourth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, at the age of eighty nine. He had

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<v Speaker 1>served as president of Gonville and Keys College right up

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<v Speaker 1>until his death. To his last day, he had, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the British Medical Journal obituary we mentioned earlier quote,

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<v Speaker 1>retained to the full his clearness of mind and much

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<v Speaker 1>of his activity of body. He was always willing to

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<v Speaker 1>place his great store of knowledge at the disposal of others.

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<v Speaker 1>His Royal Society obituary described then in his last years

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<v Speaker 1>this way and it's quite charming, and the way I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to be described one day quote A good

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<v Speaker 1>field botanist, a bit of a mountaineer, a craftsman, and

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<v Speaker 1>with a gift of dry humor. Then lived his long

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<v Speaker 1>life to the full. Age treated him kindly, an active

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<v Speaker 1>spare man. He retained his sprightly walk and his interest

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<v Speaker 1>in work and play until the end. John's wife, Susannah,

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<v Speaker 1>died eight years after him. John Archibald Ben continued publishing

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<v Speaker 1>updates to the Cambridge Alumnilist after his father died for

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<v Speaker 1>another thirty one years. The younger Van also followed in

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<v Speaker 1>his father's footsteps in terms of academic leadership roles. He

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<v Speaker 1>became president of Queen's College in nineteen thirty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>like his father, worked until his death. In twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Hull Drypool Bridge got a makeover inspired by its famous

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<v Speaker 1>logician historian. This was a pricey public art project. It

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<v Speaker 1>cost or reported three hundred twenty five thousand pounds. Artist

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Daniels designed the artwork that adorns the bridge, which

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<v Speaker 1>features interlocking circles in shades of yellow that repeat in

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<v Speaker 1>a large scale pattern. Two reference, of course ven diagrams,

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<v Speaker 1>and recently. That bowling machine was in the news in

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<v Speaker 1>June of twenty twenty four, so just a little more

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<v Speaker 1>than a month ago if you're listening to this. Around

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<v Speaker 1>the time it's published, a whole slew of articles ran

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<v Speaker 1>about a project headed up by Hugh Hunt, professor of Engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamics and Vibration at Cambridge. Hunt was driven by the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of showing what he called John Ven's quirky side,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the desire to show students that mathematics and

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<v Speaker 1>fun can absolutely mix. Hunt and his colleagues had only

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph from when the machine was originally built in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundreds and a patent application to work

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<v Speaker 1>from the head of Design at the Cambridge Engineering Department,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Glenday led a group of engineers through the process

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<v Speaker 1>of figuring out exactly how this machine worked and building

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<v Speaker 1>it at one fifth scale to see if they had

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<v Speaker 1>the details right. Since patent applications in their diagrams they're

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<v Speaker 1>all about the concept rather than the technicality. The team

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<v Speaker 1>had to do a lot of work to just re

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<v Speaker 1>engineer this bowler, but they did. They tweaked the elements

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<v Speaker 1>that weren't working on this miniature version before they built

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<v Speaker 1>a full scale one, and that one works. Yeah. As

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<v Speaker 1>of last month, I know there was at least one

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<v Speaker 1>event where it was. I think it was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Essex County Cricket Club where they were doing a presentation

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I hope it gets put on display somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a really cool idea to build an invention

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody else made and that you have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how it actually worked. So that is our discussion

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<v Speaker 1>on John Benn, which I love because he's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more than the diagrams, and even the diagrams are so

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<v Speaker 1>much more than the way we usually hear or know

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<v Speaker 1>about them. So yeah, I always like a little expansion

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<v Speaker 1>of knowledge. I have a very very cute listener mail

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<v Speaker 1>from our listener Don. The cute part is the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Don writes, good day, Holly and Tracy. I just finished

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<v Speaker 1>listening to your episode on historical roads and Highways. I

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<v Speaker 1>was fortunate enough to go to Italy in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>with my mother and my sister. We drove the Autostrata,

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<v Speaker 1>both to Florence and again to Storo, where we have family.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe how large the rest stops were, with

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<v Speaker 1>gas stations on both sides that often had a bridge

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<v Speaker 1>across the highway to access the auto grill on either side.

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<v Speaker 1>So convenient when you're driving either direction and need to

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<v Speaker 1>stop for gas and food. The Church of the Autostrata

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<v Speaker 1>seems so out of place, but knowing its history, it

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<v Speaker 1>is in the perfect location. The toll system is not

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<v Speaker 1>something I'd dealt with before, and we always held onto

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<v Speaker 1>any change we got when shopping so we'd have enough

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<v Speaker 1>on hand for the toll boosts that are throughout the Audustrata.

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<v Speaker 1>I have attached a picture of my daughter's dog, Leo.

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<v Speaker 1>He is very attached to me and I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>what I will do when my daughter is ready to

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<v Speaker 1>move out. Thank you for your wonderful work done. This

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<v Speaker 1>dog is so cute. He's a little terrier. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe a Yorkie maybe a little Yorky mix, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of those pictures where you just know

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<v Speaker 1>he is curled up right next to her and just

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<v Speaker 1>wants love and attention, and he's very cute. Those eyes

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<v Speaker 1>Man dogs get me every time. I know all of

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<v Speaker 1>this talk of the autostrata makes me want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Italy sooner rather than later, So let's do that.

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