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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan and Tan the show. I'm joined by the

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Speaker 1: one and only Dan Johnson of the Nine Finger Chronicles

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Speaker 1: to explore the latest lessons that we've learned in our

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Speaker 1: personal journeys raising kids to enjoy and explore the outdoors.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light. Like I mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 1: we're talking kids today, and joining me to talk about

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Speaker 1: kids is my buddy and longtime co host of the

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Speaker 1: podcast in those early years, Dan Johnson. And in those

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Speaker 1: first few years when me and Dan were talking every

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Speaker 1: week frequently stories of his kids, and eventually my kids

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Speaker 1: met with complaints about that, people said, stop talking about kids,

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Speaker 1: just talk about dear. But guess what, folks, We're still

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Speaker 1: talking about kids because our children. And I'm guessing for

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Speaker 1: those of you who are parents, your children are a

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Speaker 1: very important part of your hunting life, of your outdoor life, fishing,

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Speaker 1: whatever outside activities you love. I'm guessing you love or

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Speaker 1: at least you want your children to love getting involved

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Speaker 1: with those two and that's been something that's been on

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Speaker 1: my mind a lot. I know it's been on Dan's

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Speaker 1: mind and something we wanted to share with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Here Again, we've talked about it in previous episodes over

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Speaker 1: the past handful of years, but now with kids that

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Speaker 1: and two younger boys. UM, we've got some more life

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Speaker 1: experience to share and we wanted to share that with you.

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Speaker 1: By no means every experts, By no means do we

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Speaker 1: have this figured out. This is merely a here's where

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Speaker 1: we're at, Here's what we're struggling with. Here's what we're learning,

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Speaker 1: Here's what's working, Here's what's not. Here's what we're hoping

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Speaker 1: to see happen in the future. Uh, as we try

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Speaker 1: it is. Um, you know, my hope has always been

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Speaker 1: have done that for me. So today that's what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about. And it's particularly relevant for another reason too,

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Speaker 1: because my pale and colleagues Steve Ronella, just released a

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Speaker 1: book on this very topic on May three. The books

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Speaker 1: called Outdoor Kids in an Inside World, Getting your family

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Speaker 1: I've just started reading the book myself, so I can't

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Speaker 1: give you the full review personally, but knowing it's from Steve,

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Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be good. I know it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be interesting, and uh, I imagine there's a lot that

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Speaker 1: out now if you're interested more on this topic, if

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Speaker 1: or TikTok or whatever belogning it is these days. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that book and hopefully this conversation can be helpful starting points.

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Speaker 1: So well that's said, let's get to my chat with

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Speaker 1: Dan we're talking kids, we're talking the outdoors. We've got

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Speaker 1: some funny stories, we've got some lessons learned, and a

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Speaker 1: little bit everything else in between. Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Here we go all right with me. I've got the

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Speaker 1: one and only Daniel nine Fingers Madman, Big Beard Johnson.

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Speaker 1: What if? What if I changed my middle name to

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Speaker 1: nine fingers? Honestly, I think that most people would really

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would say it might

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Speaker 1: fact that someone's actual middle name is like a description

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Speaker 1: He became September. Yeah, that could be like, or it

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Speaker 1: could be Mark, because right now you're still rocking the mustache,

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Speaker 1: right yes, there, Mark mustache Kenyan. See it's too fresh,

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Speaker 1: like the mustaches not become iconic enough for me. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's only when, only when your middle name

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Speaker 1: What is your real middle name? David David Okay, Mark,

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Speaker 1: David Mark, David Kenyon. That sounds like you're an elitist.

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Speaker 1: You sound you sound like, oh okay, Well, then what's yours? Keith?

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Speaker 1: You sound like a freaking hillbilly. Yeah, exactly exactly, and

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Speaker 1: that's correct. Like I'm Daniel Keith Johnson and I'm a

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Speaker 1: Mack David Kenyon. We were we were named appropriately exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Are you? I'm good man? How are you good? I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we're doing this. It's been too I know, so

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Speaker 1: how many people I've already shut this episode off. I'm hoping.

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Speaker 1: These are really the best. So how's your sex life lately?

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Speaker 1: I was getting ready to muffs. Yeah, exactly, in all seriousness. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what is new other than that? Anything? Just just work, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's Uh, it's crazy. I was having this

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Speaker 1: Definitely me, Definitely, I'm I'm way more annoying to myself

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Speaker 1: to like that that foundation of just general interest and

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00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: excitement with the outdoors is is sil key. So so

428
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: we've been trying to as much as possible, you know,

429
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: make those opportunities a part of our life, like in

430
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: any way we can. You know. It's so if it's

431
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out to eat, you know, we might

432
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: go out and do a picnic instead, right or just

433
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're doing activities, it's it's nine times

434
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: that ten going to be something outside. If it's a winner,

435
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna go play in the snow at the park.

436
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: If it's the summer, we're gonna go throw rocks in

437
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: the river. It's like all those little things, you know.

438
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: One of the coolest things we did UM and I

439
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: realized this isn't available everywhere, but we just were lucky

440
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: we had this. We have UM a outdoor preschool available

441
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: in our area in Michigan where it's basically like a

442
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: nature center UM that runs preschool programs and they're all

443
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: like nature based and nature focused. And so the kids

444
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: get there in the morning and the first thing they

445
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: do is they go and do a nature walk around

446
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: this This nature center has got a three acre property

447
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: UM and so they go walk the property and they

448
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: study worms and plants and trees and look for animals,

449
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: and they use nature to teach different things. So they'll

450
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: count rocks, or they'll identify the different colors of flowers,

451
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: or they'll you know, all these different things. Um and

452
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: so ever, just finished his first year of that, and

453
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: that having that opportunity for him to be outside in

454
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: learning in an environment away from mom and dad has

455
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: been really cool to just seeing, you know, and it's

456
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: it's two things going on. Of course, there's the education,

457
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: there's a socialization with a bunch of kids his own age,

458
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: but then I think also doing that in an outside

459
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: space as again, just like we've seen him grow leaps

460
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: and bounds, and now he's excited to teach me about

461
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: something outside. He wants to tell me about something to

462
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: do with how robbins eat worms, or where they make

463
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: their nests or you know, all that kind of stuff.

464
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: It's been really really cool to see those those little

465
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: things adding up to this larger, you know, this larger

466
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: love of the outdoors. And I think that's what I'm

467
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: getting as I think one of my main hopes has

468
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: been that, like I don't know for sure that my

469
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: sons are gonna like to hunt, or that they're gonna

470
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: want to fish, or that they're gonna want to kayak

471
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: or anything specifically. Um and I don't necessarily want to

472
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: pressure or influence them in any particular direction to do

473
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: one or any of those things in particular. I think

474
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: in general, my biggest hope is just that, like if

475
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I were, just like if I were to distill down

476
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: my goals as far as the outdoors and my kids,

477
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: I just want to have them develop a love for

478
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the outdoors and appreciation for it and a comfort in it,

479
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: and for that to be a place for them to

480
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: explore whatever activity it is they end up gravitating towards.

481
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: And so these little things, I think back to what

482
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: you said, it is all about like just getting that

483
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: foundation of fun of interest. And I feel like, especially today,

484
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: maybe it's always been like this, but it seems like

485
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: it's more important today. It's like, how do you establish

486
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: that foundation before something else swoops in and steals their attention?

487
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: You know? I mean technology is the obvious one, right,

488
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: So many kids these days are obsessed with video games

489
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: and TV and the Internet and social media and all

490
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So how do you get ahead

491
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: of that. But then even like when you talked about

492
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Mac with his sports. Uh. And I've got like nieces

493
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: who are doing traveling sports now. And like my nieces,

494
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know eleven or ten, and she's traveling all

495
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: over the country already, and she's gone every single night

496
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: for practice for the for school things, some school sport,

497
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and then she's doing like club sports on the weekends.

498
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, their life is consumed with this stuff,

499
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't do That's something I worry

500
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: about a little bit. I mean, of course those things

501
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: can be good, but I don't know. Selfishly, I sure

502
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: hope there's time left over to be outside doing these

503
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: other things too, versus like this terminator style building our

504
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: kids into tiger woods kind of thing that seems like

505
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: everyone's doing these days. I mean, does that worry you

506
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: at all when you see stuff or not? You know,

507
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I'm gonna I'm gonna answer

508
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: this two parts. Number one, we this it was actually

509
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: this week Monday, we had our kids were having some

510
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: behavioral problems. They weren't listening to us, they were they

511
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: were being basically vegetables, right. They would go to a TV,

512
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: they'd get pull up YouTube and they would just sit

513
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: there and watch. And I went to every TV in

514
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: the house and every device that they have, and I

515
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: deleted YouTube from it, and so they no longer have

516
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: access to that type of content. And I'm telling you

517
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: right now, in the last four days, they have spent

518
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: more time outside. They have been they have spent more

519
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: time reading, coloring, using their brain instead of just vegging

520
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: out in front of uh, in front of a television.

521
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: And so that was the best thing that I that

522
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: I've done. It sucked that first day where they got

523
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: mad at me and they're like, you never let us

524
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: do blah blah blah. But then the second day, they

525
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: they weren't even thinking about it. They're just like, Okay,

526
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: we know we don't have this, now, let's go do

527
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: something else. And it led them to this other other stuff,

528
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, playing outside, playing basketball, you know, just being

529
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: out outside. So now when it comes to sports, I'm

530
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: trying to think of what I would have done if

531
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't in sports throughout all these all those years,

532
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: right you know, whether it was flag football, whether it

533
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: was starting tackle football, or you know, I even played

534
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: basketball for a little bit baseball things, you know, those things,

535
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: And I think sports actually teach kids a lot about

536
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: discipline and also being comfortable in uncomfortable situations. Like what

537
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: you've you know, said, like the first time I ever

538
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: had to go up against someone who is bigger than

539
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: me in a in a football game. Dude, you're uncomfortable, right,

540
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: so you have to It's it's another way of dealing

541
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: with adversity. It's another way of really finding out who

542
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: you are as a person, Like do you have the

543
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: guts to do something? Do you have the focus that uh,

544
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, can you remain focused in a stressful situation?

545
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I think sports really does that. At the same time,

546
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a great place to learn

547
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: how to be around people who are different than you. Right,

548
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: everybody's different, So you have a social setting there that

549
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: I think is very important. Now, your niece, unless she

550
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: is like d one material, right, she's gonna go to college,

551
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: even at a lower level, and she'll probably play college

552
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: if she If she's any type of good and she

553
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: has a passion for sports, she'll do that. The thing

554
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: that I really like about sports is it has a

555
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: it has a shelf life, and so it's gonna end

556
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: up going away at some point in their life. And

557
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: that's where the foundation even even sprinkled in. The outdoors

558
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: even sprinkled in throughout all that chaos of let's just

559
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: say sports or other activities, whether they're in chess club

560
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: or computer club or band or whatever, all these things

561
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: that consume a kid throughout the teenage years or whatever.

562
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: All that stuff has a shelf life for the most part,

563
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: and then they hit the real world and the outdoors

564
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: is always going to be there and not end. And

565
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I say this. The outdoors is cheap

566
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: for the most part. If you want to go on

567
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: a hike, I can go on a hike a thousand

568
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: different places for free. And so it has nothing to

569
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: do with income. It's there. It's uh, there's access to

570
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: it just about anywhere you want to go camping, fishing, hiking,

571
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: hunting even and you can. There's access all over the

572
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: place for for that. And I think that if you

573
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: sprinkle that in and you have a foundation when they

574
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: were younger, then ultimately when all that other stuff is done,

575
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: they will slowly drift back into that. And I mean,

576
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a time mark where maybe did

577
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: did hunting ever take it like a back seat for

578
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: you as a kid and it was sports or or

579
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: social activities. I mean, it certainly took a backseat. It

580
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: was always something I really enjoyed, but it definitely was

581
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: not like the full blown obsession during high school and college.

582
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was still going out and partying or

583
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: going and playing sports and doing that kind of stuff.

584
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: In retrospect, I look back on those years and I think, jeeves,

585
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: I wish I would have been, you know, taking that

586
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: free time I had and instead of going to a

587
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: house party or going to a football game or something,

588
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: I wish I had, you know, instead road trip to

589
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: Alaska or something like that. Yeah. But but yes, like

590
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: it was always a part of my life, a big

591
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: like it was like the biggest part of my life

592
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: outside of like school or social or sports events during

593
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: high school and stuff like that, sports activity whatever. Um So, yes,

594
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, I hear, I hear everything you're saying, and

595
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I recognize the truth in it. But I also, deep

596
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: down inside of me selfishly, I am still hoping that

597
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: that my boys can find Selfishly, I hope that they

598
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: can get all those things that they'll want to get

599
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: those things, and that their interest would be more on

600
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: the outdoor side of things because you can get all

601
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: those same things. You can fill up all your free

602
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: time with hiking, hunting, fishing, or climbing or mountain biking

603
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: or kayaking or rafting or whatever. It is so so

604
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: selfishly and I don't I don't know if this is

605
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: a good thing or a bad thing that I have

606
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: an opinion like that. I have a desire, and I

607
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: I know I can't push this on my kids. I

608
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: know that I shouldn't, and I'm going to try not to.

609
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: But I'd be lying if I if I told you

610
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: that I didn't kind of hope that they go that direction.

611
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. I don't know if that's okay or

612
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: not to have that. Maybe that's a bad thing that

613
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: I have a secret desire. I don't know. No, man,

614
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: it's it's okay because I ultimately want the same thing.

615
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: How cool would it be to be able, whether whether

616
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: it's nine years old, seven years old, five years old,

617
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: if you had this kid who says die hard about

618
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: hunting and as you were, and they would they want

619
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: to go out. Dude, that is an excuse for you

620
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 1: to go out and hunt as much as you want

621
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: because you're involving the kids in it, right, and that

622
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what you want. But I mean even getting

623
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: into just like this is my dream, like and this

624
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: is what I think about a lot is when and

625
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I think about it for my daughter too, right, But

626
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: there's something about a son and a father and a

627
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: son that there's a connection there and I want the

628
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: same thing for my daughter. But I think about it

629
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: with my son, uh a lot, and how cool would

630
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: it be? And maybe it's because I'm a I'm a

631
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm a guy, he's a guy. Right, Maybe it's that

632
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: connection to I want the same thing for my daughter.

633
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: But how cool would it be to just be like, hey, uh,

634
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing today? Oh? Nothing, you want to

635
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: go hunt? Yeah, let's go do that. That's all big

636
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: And have these like me and you we have these

637
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: these strategy talks. Imagine some day breaking down a hunt

638
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: with your son and you know what I mean, like

639
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: and and having this in depth conversation because they've learned

640
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: what they've learned from you. But at the same time

641
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: you've let them go, they've come back to it and

642
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: they've started the observing process and they started the the education,

643
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: the self education too to come to the spot where

644
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: then you guys can connect and now your best hunting

645
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: buddy is your son or your daughter, and the only

646
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: person you want to hunt with is your son or

647
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: your daughter. Like that's the ultimate that for me, that's

648
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal. But I think you have to give

649
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: them that distance for them to make that decision up

650
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: on their own. For sure, they've gotta they've got to

651
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: choose that direction. And I've always thought that maybe it

652
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: might not be hunting. But if they take a hanker

653
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: into i don't know, climbing or something, I guess I'm

654
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna learn climb. If they get into mountain biking, I

655
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna buy a mountain bike and tag along

656
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: for as long as they want me to go. And

657
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I guess I'll I'll pursue their pursuits as much as

658
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: they'd like me to to support those you know, you

659
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: know one thing that um one thing I took from

660
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: my childhood which I found really helpful was um my

661
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: dad always told me he was always going to support

662
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: the habit. So he was going to if he found

663
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: a thing that I was passionate about or you know,

664
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: excited about he would spoil me in that arena. So

665
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: in this case, when he found that I was really

666
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: into bass fishing in high school, that was the one thing,

667
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: like everything else I'd ask for, he wasn't given it

668
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: to me. He had worked for it, had to pay

669
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: for myself whatever. But he noticed like, hey, here's one

670
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: of those habits that he's really angling towards, specifically, like

671
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: he's really getting into bass fishing. And he recognized that

672
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: as a good avenue to the outdoors, even though that

673
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: wasn't something he had previously been into. And so he

674
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: saw this thing I was digging into and he said,

675
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna put some extra resources

676
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: behind that one because that's where he's wanting to go.

677
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: And so he got into bass fishing too, and you know,

678
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: that's that end up being a great thing for me

679
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: and for us our relationship too. So that's that's the

680
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: thing I've taken with me and I'm going to be

681
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: trying to do in the future, is is keep an

682
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: eye out for where their curiosities and interests start taking them.

683
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: And all I can do is expose them to a

684
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. I think that's where I am at

685
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: this this stage in their lives is exposing them to

686
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. And and like we have done,

687
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: we do a lot outside UM. We've kind of revolved

688
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: our entire lives around it. I'm right now sitting in

689
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: my driveway in Idaho looking at the mountains, and this afternoon,

690
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the first thing this morning, the boys are up and

691
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: that they want to go for a hike. And then

692
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: later this afternoon we're to go take a walk down

693
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: the river. We're gonna throw rocks in the river and

694
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: look for fish. And then later today we're gonna go

695
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: take a hike underneath the mountains. And like that, we're

696
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: doing our best to make that kind of stuff like daily.

697
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: We're we're making that a part of life and exposing

698
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: them to all these different things hiking and fishing and camping.

699
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: And we're gonna take them to a climbing gym next week,

700
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: and we're taking to do these different things. And just

701
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: like we're taking the shotgun approach, shooting a bunch of

702
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: stuff at the wall, and then we'll see what sticks.

703
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: We'll see what they're really into, we'll see what they're

704
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: excited about. UM. And then I guess then try to

705
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: support that. Um. But but these early years I think

706
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: is just making it fun, exposing them. And and then

707
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I do feel like, at least for me, because these

708
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: are the things that we love and that we're involved in,

709
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's easiest for me to teach

710
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: through this stuff. So I'm not very good at like

711
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: sitting and doing crafts. I'm not the dad who can, like,

712
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't do that kind of thing. I can't even

713
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: sit and like do I don't know what city parents

714
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: do with their kids and do some educational app or

715
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: some educational game or something like that. I don't know.

716
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: That doesn't resonate with me. But I can take my

717
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: son for a walk in the woods and teach them

718
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: about different things or like I was talking about the

719
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: preschool and stuff like that kind of stuff I can

720
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: teach in that kind of medium. Um. So I guess

721
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm I don't even know where I'm going

722
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: with this, but I guess what I'm finding is that

723
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: these early years, the outdoors is simply serving as a

724
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: canvas two do a lot of different things to teach,

725
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: to learn to grow relationship together. And and really it's

726
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: just about being out there and seeing where the compass

727
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: points you eventually. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a that's

728
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: a great approach. Now, I think we do have to

729
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: talk about something though, and that's for parents who let's

730
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: say there's a guy who's listening to this and him

731
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: and his wife just like a lot of Americans are

732
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: working all the time, right, They're just like Jesus man, Mike,

733
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: my schedules swamped. I worked ten hours, or I work

734
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: as a night shift, or I work and I'm tired

735
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: and I want to go do these things. Like what

736
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: we're doing is great, but there are people out there

737
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: who like, like time is limited or opportunity is limited.

738
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: How do you think that people should go about out

739
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: getting their kids and the outdoors. They know the benefits

740
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: from it, but they just man, they they want it,

741
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: but they just can't do it consistently enough as they

742
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: as they would want to. Yeah, And I think you're right,

743
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: that's a very real thing that a lot of people face.

744
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: And and I am super lucky that I'm able to

745
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: do as much as I do. And I realized that's

746
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: not normal. Maybe, um so my thought would be as

747
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: much as possible is better than nothing, Like, whatever you

748
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: can get is better than nothing. And like you mentioned,

749
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: sprinkle here and there, even the dabbling, those introductions, even

750
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: a little bit can come back down the road. I

751
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: mean that was even the case for me. I mean

752
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: even though as a kid we did a lot of

753
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: outdoor stuff, you know, it was never I always described

754
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: like my outdoor childhood is a very pedestrian outdoor childhood.

755
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: Like we didn't do anything hardcore. My dad didn't really

756
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: know anything serious about hunting or fishing. Um, no offense, dad,

757
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: if you're listening, um, But you know, he wasn't like

758
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: hardcore in any kind of way. He was just let's

759
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: go out to the river or let's go to the

760
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: lake for a little bit. And we never caught anything

761
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, well, at least you don't

762
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: need to clean the fish um where you go hunting.

763
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: And we never killed anything. I was like, well, at

764
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: least you don't need to get a deer um. And

765
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: like we didn't do like a big adventures. It was like, well,

766
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: let's go camp at the little city campground down the

767
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: road along the lake. It was very local Michigan pedestrian stuff.

768
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: So in a way, I was just getting introduced with

769
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: little sprinkles here and there, and then after college, just

770
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: like you said, after college, I was able to spread

771
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: my wings and I could then double down back into

772
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: this thing that I had developed a love for based

773
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: on the sprinklings through childhood, and then I just went

774
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: super deep into it, took it to a whole different level. Um.

775
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: And so I think I shared that story because I

776
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: think as a parent listening, he's worried about only being

777
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: able to do the sprinkle approach. Um, there's still hope

778
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: for that, Like, that's okay. Any introduction is better than nothing.

779
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: And I would say a second thing though, So first off,

780
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: whatever you can do is better than nothing, Like a

781
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: walk in the park in the city is great if

782
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: that's all you've got available to you and there are real,

783
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: still real benefits from them. Um. But a second thing

784
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: I would say also is that and this is something

785
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: that kind of this is like a virtue that was

786
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: hammered home for me when it came to like just

787
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: working in like especially when I was trying to build

788
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt as a second job, right when I was

789
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: still doing the day job. There's there's always this temptation

790
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: to be like, oh well, I don't have time. I

791
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: don't have time. I don't have time. There's always other things.

792
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: But if you were to do a very honest audit

793
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: of your day, and I'm not saying this is true

794
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: for everybody, but I think there's a decent number of

795
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: people who if you were to audit your day and

796
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: look at how your time is actually spent, you're gonna

797
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: find there's an hour of Netflix, or there's a half

798
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: hour of reading a book, or there's you know, two

799
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: hours a week that you go to I don't know,

800
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: play intermural baseball with your buddies, or there's uh an

801
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: hour here there where you sit on your phone playing

802
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, animal farm, or on Instagram or Facebook

803
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: or some shi it like that. And if you were

804
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: to really, true, truly look at your hours in a

805
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: day and then say, okay, what is more important than

806
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: my kids being outside? And then say, well, I don't

807
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: think looking at Instagram is more important than my kids

808
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: being outside, Or maybe me going and going to the

809
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: bar once a week with my buddies, maybe that's not

810
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: as important as my kids getting outside. I do think

811
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: we could probably all if we made the tough choice

812
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: to prioritize it, find a little bit more time if

813
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: we were to cut out some of that bullshit, the

814
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: stuff that we just do because it's fun or easy.

815
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: But honestly, like I could even find times like that

816
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: that I could cut out. So so my one thing

817
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: would be take a good hard look at your time

818
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: and yourself and think, like, maybe maybe there's an extra

819
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: half hour I can carve out a week and prioritize

820
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: this outdoor time because it's outside time. Man, it is

821
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: just so good for kids, whether want them to hunt

822
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: her fish or whatever, just being outside. It is such

823
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: a catalyzer for for learning and growing and becoming real

824
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: human beings. And there's this just so much. There's there's

825
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: a ton of research these days, Dan, I don't know

826
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: if you've ever dove into this. I just wrote an

827
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: article on it. I don't know if it's out yet, um,

828
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: And I've read a couple of books on this recently.

829
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: But there's a whole host of research studies being done

830
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: now looking into the the physiological like true health benefits

831
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: and mental health built benefits of time and nature. Like

832
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: it's not just that like, oh we like it, it's

833
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: actually that being outside with like certain concentrations of oxygen,

834
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: with the um, with the aerosols that trees emit, these

835
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: different chemicals that wild started the plant life emits into

836
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: the air, all sorts of different things. Actually makes us

837
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: less stressed, actually makes our bodies work better, actually makes

838
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: us do all these things we're supposed to be doing

839
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: in a in a healthier way. So it's it's not

840
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: just about having a fun time out there, it's actually

841
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: just playing good for kids. So so I mean any

842
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: little bit helps, I guess that is what I'm trying

843
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: to say in a lot of different ways. What's your

844
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: take on that? Oh? I agree, you know, like you're

845
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: and to boil it down even a little, just a

846
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: hair further. You don't need that research. I mean, go out,

847
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: go for a walk outside and come back into your

848
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: house and evaluate how you feel then versus how you

849
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: feel before you went outside, and it's it's better. It

850
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't I would I would say, unless you're like hyper

851
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: allergic to some kind of plant pollen, Like I would say,

852
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: anybody can go outside, walk in through your backyard, or

853
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: or go for a walk in your town. Something as

854
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: simple as that, You're gonna feel straight up better afterwards.

855
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: And so I mean my kids, uh, they sleep better.

856
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: I'll put, I'll put I'll use this as an example.

857
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: This winner my two youngest They would get up at

858
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and they would wake up,

859
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: and then they would try to get into bed with us.

860
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Now that they're able to get outside in a little

861
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: bit of this warmer weather and run around, dude, they're

862
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: sleeping through the night, they're well rested, they're less cranky,

863
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: they are you know, they're they're using energy, they're breathing

864
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: fresh air, and and even their attitudes are a little

865
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: bit better in certain times. So, uh, to me, that

866
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: is enough. That's enough information for me to to get

867
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: them outside as much as possible. Man. Yeah, so so true.

868
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: So let's try to think back on some recent stories

869
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: or experiences or lessons learned we've had over the last

870
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: year or two as far as doing stuff with our

871
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: kids outside, camping, hiking, fishing, boating, hunting. Um, let's just

872
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: share some of the things we've picked up recently that

873
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: have worked for you or me, or that we've learned

874
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: while getting out there and doing this stuff. Because I

875
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: get I imagine you get these kinds of questions too,

876
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: But I get a lot of questions from young parents,

877
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, seeing something I've posted or something, and they're like,

878
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: how do you how do you actually camp with a

879
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: two and a four year old without it being miserable?

880
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Or you know, how are what are you actually trying

881
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: to do when you take your son out there hunting

882
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: with you? How does that work? Or when should you

883
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: take your son hunting? Or when should you take you know,

884
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: your kid out fishing with a real hook? Um whatever?

885
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Like all these kind of specifics. Um, there's always I mean,

886
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: there's always these moving targets on all that kind of stuff. Um,

887
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: But has anything recently happened with you, Dan where you

888
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: had any kind of lightbulb moments in any one of

889
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: those kinds of activities where you realize like, oh this

890
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: this really worked, or this was something they loved, or

891
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: this was something that I got to do more of. Um,

892
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, anything come to mind you. Yeah, So

893
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: here's for me. I wanted to get it. I wanted

894
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: to go chet trail cameras with them. You would think

895
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: that's a fairly easy task. Or I wanted to go

896
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: mushroom hunting with them, which means they have to go

897
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: into the woods. And so some of just the ability

898
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: to to traverse the landscape can be difficult for a

899
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: young child. Right. So this is where I've put a

900
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of emphasis on the fishing aspect of it, because

901
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: most of the time, uh and I'm not saying every time,

902
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: but if you have a boat, that's awesome. If you

903
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: have uh, and typically around let's say a river or

904
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: a public lake or things like that, you're going to

905
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: find a spot where a kid can sit and not

906
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: being tall weeds and not have to go through an

907
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: entire timber like thorns or a whole bunch of vegetation

908
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: to get to a certain place. Right. It's easy access

909
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: from from just a mobility standpoint. And so for me,

910
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: what I found is that fishing is it that is

911
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: that's the gateway drug to the outdoors from from my kids.

912
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: And it's something that you know, there's not a lot

913
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: of bugs getting on them, they're they're not getting too

914
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: terribly dirty doing it, and then if they get bored,

915
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: then they can go run around. Right. So that would

916
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: that for me, That's what I've observed, is because it's

917
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: the yeah, you're gonna have to give up your fishing

918
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: while you're doing it. Like I don't even fish. When

919
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 1: I go fishing with my kids, all I'm the worm

920
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: master and taking help taking the fish off, right, So

921
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: I do those those things. And so when the when

922
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: the kids get bored, they can go run around and

923
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: they can go play in nature and dig through the

924
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: worms and and things like that, and then when they

925
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: come back, I want to fish again. Okay, let's go

926
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: do it. So the that right there has been the

927
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: has had the most impact for me. And of course

928
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they know it, or maybe even I

929
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: don't know it, but going through them, just going through

930
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: the motions of going on a hike have been Oh Dad,

931
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: look at that bird right there. It's a cool bird,

932
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, like that's uh, you know, hey, what what

933
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: kind of tree is that? Well, let's pull a leaf

934
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: on off it and let's go look on on my phone,

935
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: or let's go look at the tree book at home,

936
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: and so those it's just like the little things like

937
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: that is really what has has gotten gotten them more

938
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: excited to be outside. Yeah, man, I can't agree more

939
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: when it comes to fishing being that gateway drug, just

940
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: because it's for every everything you said, it's it's so

941
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: I think what like interest in water is just universal,

942
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't know many kids that don't

943
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: want to just play in water, like play in it

944
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: or throw stuff in it, or you know, shake a

945
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: stick in it or whatever. Like that's just playing fun

946
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: no matter who you are. Um so I think you've

947
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: got like a little extra handicap there, like it's it's

948
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: helping you out just because water is innately fun no

949
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: matter what. And then you know, like you said, fishing

950
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: can be if you're on a boat, there's a lot

951
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: of good things going for it. Or actually trying to fish,

952
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: like that's a relatively easy way. I mean shoot throwing

953
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: worms for bluegills or throwing I don't know, worms or

954
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: something for like a stocked rainbow trout like a little

955
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: pond or something like that. There's no easier bang for

956
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: your buck kind of outdoor experience where you can almost

957
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: guarantee a positive result, right, Like if you're in a

958
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: spot with some bluegills, you can catch them. I mean,

959
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: that's just so easy for a little kid to have,

960
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: like a super cool, exciting experience that they feel is

961
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: like really awesome and hardcore. I'm it's hard to beat that.

962
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: I mean, are last year. Probably the best thing we

963
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: did last year was by a boat. We bought a

964
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: drift boat for our place out in Idaho, and all

965
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: summer we would take off, you know, come minutes down

966
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: the road, hop on a river with a boat and

967
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: float down the river and the kids just had a

968
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: blast and all all the different things we try to do.

969
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: It was it was like the least miserable in moments, right,

970
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like going on a hike in the mountains

971
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: or something is cool, but there's gonna be points of misery,

972
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: and that there were of the kids don't want to

973
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: do it anymore, or they're tired or whatever. Um. But

974
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: floating on a boat down a river is hard to

975
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a lot of bad stuff and

976
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: go wrong. It's mostly just relaxing. The kids can have fun.

977
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: You can fish a little bit. You can stop and

978
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: let the kids fish, like like you were talking about.

979
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: The kids can just run around or play when you

980
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: pull off on the side of the river and play

981
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: on the shore. Um. We brought just like we did

982
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of things on the boat to make a

983
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: kid friendly. So we bring a bunch of square guns.

984
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: We'd bring a bucket full of rocks, tiny little rocks,

985
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and then the whole float down the river. They would

986
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: just throw rocks and throw rocks and throw rocks. We

987
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: cut up pool noodles and tied them on a pieces

988
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: of pear cord and then tied those off on the

989
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: side of the boat, and so all over the boat

990
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: there was different pieces of pool noodle on different lengths

991
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: of rope that they could toss out there and try

992
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: to hit things and pull it back and do different

993
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I mean we could spend ten

994
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: hours out there on the river doing that and they

995
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: would want more of it the next day. Um, It's

996
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: just like it was such a fun thing and it

997
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: was like it was it was fun for them, but

998
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: it was actually also still fun for me. I mean,

999
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: there's sometimes when you're doing a thing with your kids

1000
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: where you're doing it for them and it's it's not

1001
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: a ton of super fun and like a what am

1002
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: I trying to say, you know what I mean? Like

1003
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: there's no thing as a uh family fun for everyone's scenario,

1004
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: at least different levels of it, right, Like I mean,

1005
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: but there was floating down the river with a beer

1006
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: and the cooler with a beer and the coozy next

1007
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm rowing like I'm just kind of like, man,

1008
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: I'd be doing this no matter what whether he had

1009
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: the kids with me or not, like this is just nice.

1010
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: And then they're also the kids are also having a

1011
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: great time too, so it was like we're both at

1012
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: a ten. Well, other times it might be the you know,

1013
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: my son's at a ten and I mind like at six.

1014
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: Um of course those things very I'm not saying like

1015
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm always not having found with my kids, oftentimes having

1016
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: found my kids, but that was one of those things

1017
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: where it was it was easy for us all to

1018
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: be having a really great time, and I think trying

1019
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: to find more opportunities where it's like that where everybody

1020
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: can be in a ten, Like you gotta kind of

1021
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: pick and choose your spots, um, you know, like with hiking,

1022
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: we still try to go out and do a lot

1023
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: of hikes with their kids out here, but those you

1024
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: really have to kind of carefully plan it out, you gotta,

1025
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, like if I were going on a hike

1026
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: pre kids, my wife and I would be like trying

1027
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: to get up high way up in the mountains. We

1028
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: want like super epic views and really cool stuff like that. Um.

1029
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: But with kids, it's very hard to find spots where

1030
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: you can get up to like some epic view like

1031
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: that without having to go very long distance or a

1032
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: very hard hike. And you know, all sorts of things

1033
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: can happen in those scenarios where your kids are not

1034
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna be having fun, or it's gonna be really tough

1035
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: for you if you're hauling them on your back or something.

1036
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: So we've we've just had to be a lot more

1037
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: strategic in doing a lot of research or asking around

1038
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: or searching out actually finding a few couple of places

1039
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: where you can have like a pre kid kind of

1040
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: hike but it's actually kid friendly as far as difficulty

1041
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: or distance. So that's one thing, and then the flip side,

1042
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I've also had to learn to come to enjoy the

1043
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: simple fun of an easy one mile walk along the

1044
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: river and say, you know what, that's our day, and

1045
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: not feel bad about the fact that I'm not doing

1046
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: a ten hole a ten mile hike to the top

1047
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: of the mountain like I did ten years ago. UM.

1048
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: So it's been a combo of to those two things,

1049
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I guess, and I think knowing when to back out

1050
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: is important too. Because there's times where the kids are

1051
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: all gun hole about it. I'm gonna hope about it.

1052
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 1: Let's just say it's a hike like you, like you said,

1053
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: and we're a hundred yards in to the hike or

1054
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: two hundred or whatever, the first hill, and you see

1055
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: they've lost interest and now they're complaining and they're you know,

1056
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: like I think, I don't think they're I think the

1057
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: attempt is what is important. And then if there they

1058
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: lose interest in something, you know, maybe push just a

1059
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: little bit. But at the same time you have to know,

1060
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: hey man, we need to back out, we need we

1061
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: need let's go home, you know, we can go maybe

1062
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: play some basketball or do something else. Because at that time,

1063
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I know I've been there where, and you know, knowing

1064
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: the limits is what's what is what's difficult, because I've

1065
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: been on those hikes or on those mushroom hunts where

1066
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: all right now we're we're back in a ways and

1067
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: so that means not only you have to go there,

1068
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: but you got to get out. And so now we're

1069
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: walking up a big hill to get back. And for

1070
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: me it's not you know, it's it's easy, but for

1071
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: them it's it's more strenuous and so that's that is

1072
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: like understanding the limit and understanding when the color quits

1073
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: is is equally important. Yeah, very very true. So on

1074
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: that topic, another thing I did think about was some

1075
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: of the little tricks I've learned to make those more

1076
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: enjoyable for the kids, I guess, um or to convince

1077
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: them to go further, whether it's like shed hunt, a

1078
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: mushroom hunt, or a hike or something like that. I mean,

1079
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: always having snacks is like the easiest cheek for me

1080
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: at least, or promising queen. Yeah, yeah, that too, But

1081
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean being able to kind of divvy out little

1082
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: bits of snacks and candy or something special along the

1083
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: way that can always buy me an extra half hour

1084
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: or an extra mile or something like that. Um. Like,

1085
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: that's a thing like if I if I ever forget that,

1086
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I always ruin. I always regret making that oversight. Um.

1087
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: Another thing that was kind of hard for me at

1088
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: first and still is a little bit. You know, this

1089
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: will be no surprise to you, Dan from the years

1090
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: of hearing me talk, But like I am always just

1091
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: so like I want to get to the next thing,

1092
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: I want to get to the goal, right, I'm just like,

1093
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: I want to get there. I want to go to

1094
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: this thing. So when I'm hiking traditionally pre kid mark

1095
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: was I had a destination in mind, and I was

1096
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: like wanting to go as fast as we can, as

1097
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: hard as we can to get to that place. So

1098
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I was like the speed hiker, didn't take a second

1099
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: to look at anything else. And with kids, especially now,

1100
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: like at first the first year or two, whenever could

1101
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: ride on my back in the baby carrier, I could

1102
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: still do that, but now he's too old to be

1103
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: in anything like that. So we're going at his pace,

1104
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: and he wants to stop and climb on every boulder.

1105
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: He wants to stop and look at every he wants

1106
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: to look under every log for worm. He wants to

1107
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: kick every I don't know dead worm on the trail

1108
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: and look at it and pick up. And at first

1109
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go, let's go, let's keep going,

1110
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: let's keep going. Let's come on, all right, we gotta

1111
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: we gotta move in the next one. But I'm getting

1112
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm realizing more and more the importance of just being

1113
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: okay with all those detours, because that's the fun thing

1114
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: for them. And and the more I let him you know,

1115
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: climb on every boulder and do that kind of stuff. Yeah,

1116
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: it slows me down, us down. Yeah, we don't go

1117
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: as far. Yeah, we don't ever get to we never

1118
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: get to these end goals anymore. Um, But he enjoys

1119
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: it more and then wants to go and do that

1120
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of thing more often. And so someday we'll get

1121
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: to the point where he wants to go to an

1122
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: end goal too, And so someday we'll get back to

1123
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And some days, even at this age,

1124
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: he actually gets a burst of energy and really does

1125
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: want to go for a long walk or whatever. And

1126
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: so we still get to do those things. But I

1127
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: think letting them have fun along the way in whatever

1128
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: way they find fun, even if that's different than yours.

1129
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Like that's that's been important to me. So we bring

1130
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot of snacks, bring a lot of water. We

1131
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: let them mess around with every little weird curiosity they

1132
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: find along the way. Um, and you know, we do.

1133
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of bribery, like you talked about. Um,

1134
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: lots of times, if we're gonna go on a hike

1135
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: or a shed hunt or something like that, I'll have

1136
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: like a planned special thing for afterwards. So I was like,

1137
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: all right, guys, we're gonna go out in this fun hike.

1138
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: And we always know after a big hike we're always

1139
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: going to get to get donuts and we're gonna get

1140
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: to get ice cream or something like that. So it

1141
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: becomes like a a special thing, like a big package.

1142
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: So there's all these special things around it. And like

1143
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: even when I have been taken my son up to

1144
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: our deer camp now up to Ken Robin, I've taken

1145
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: him up there a few times now, and and with

1146
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: that too, I'm always trying to make these things into

1147
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: special events. So it's not just like we're gonna go

1148
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: up to deer camp and go deer hunting and expecting

1149
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: him to have fun going up to the cabin, but

1150
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: it's knowing that, all right, when we go up to

1151
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: the cabin, we're also going to stop for special breakfast.

1152
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: We'll get whatever you want, and we're also going to

1153
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, let you pick a candy bar out. He

1154
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: never gets to get candy, but in this case, you know,

1155
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: you have a candy bar when we go up there.

1156
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, whatever it is, like all these special things

1157
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: I'll layer on top of that thing. So that it

1158
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: becomes extra fund for all these other reasons, and they

1159
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: begin to associate this extra fun or extra special stuff

1160
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: around these types of outings, um so that it's not

1161
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: a burden, it's something they look forward to for all

1162
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: of these reasons. So what happens when when uh he

1163
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say, hey, man, Dad, I think

1164
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: I think I really like deer hunting and you're like, oh, ship, yes, thanks,

1165
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: Thank the Lord. This is happening, right Dad. I'm wanna

1166
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: I want to learn about the rut and I want

1167
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. And then he gets to

1168
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: this point, he goes out, he makes his move, and

1169
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: the deer no deer shows up for like a whole week,

1170
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, screw this, I'm done. So like what

1171
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: happens when you take like when you when he has

1172
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: the interest, but then you're no longer in control anymore.

1173
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: To great question, man, I don't know. I mean I

1174
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: think that I'm not there yet. I can't answer that either. Yeah,

1175
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: that's a hypothetical. Yeah, I guess my hope is that.

1176
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: I think my hope is that all the years leading

1177
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: up to that, this is going back to like how

1178
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: the outdoors I think can teach kids resilience and like

1179
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: toughness and perseverance. I think hopefully all those years leading

1180
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: up to this point will have instilled in our kids

1181
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: that perseverance, that stick, tuitiveness, that toughness, whatever it is

1182
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: that they need to push through, um, to push through

1183
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: and get to that next step or that next experience

1184
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: or that next outing or whatever it is. I'm hoping

1185
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: that once they're out there on their own, we've done

1186
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: a good enough job that they can handle those inevitable

1187
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, down days, those inevitable dud's right. I mean,

1188
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: I think that's like we keep going back to this,

1189
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 1: but I think that just the outdoors, whichever have you take,

1190
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: is really really, really good at training kids for those

1191
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: types of situations, you know, training them for life too,

1192
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: because like, I don't know, there's so much other stuff

1193
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: out there, like video games and socially, all the other

1194
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: things that we're talking all the all the banes of

1195
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: society these days, Like there's just so much easy fun,

1196
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: there's easy satisfaction, participation, trophies for everything. Um, it's so

1197
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 1: easy in so many different ways that I think that

1198
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: giving your kids opportunities to not succeed every time and

1199
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: learning how to deal with that, learning that that's okay,

1200
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: learning to push through those tough times. Um. And maybe

1201
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: that's something that they'll maybe that's something that becomes more

1202
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: of a thing, you know, when my kids are ten

1203
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: or twelve versus when they're two and four. Maybe that's

1204
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: the case. But um, but I do think that that's

1205
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: part of it too. Yeah, what happens if all of

1206
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've you've just raised the next Andy May

1207
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: and you didn't even know it. And and so your

1208
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: your son is just like a slayer when he's a teenager,

1209
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he just like clicks for

1210
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: him way earlier than it ever did for us. And

1211
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: now he's becoming a better hunter than you? Does that

1212
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: Does that excitement then turn to animosity for you because

1213
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: you've been outshadowed by your son? Now? No, man, that's

1214
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: my greatest hope is that he will outshine me someday.

1215
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: And I really think he will. I don't know if

1216
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: it'll be hunting, but it'll be something. Um. But I

1217
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: mean I think about this like, you know, like I

1218
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: told you, like my outdoor introduction, like my childhood was

1219
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: very very pedestrian. I got almost. I had very introductory

1220
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: level and you know, educations on all things outdoors, right,

1221
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: and I was I've still been able to get out

1222
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: there and do some some legit stuff, I guess. But

1223
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: my son, you know, since the time he was born,

1224
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: he's been like doing what most people would think. It's

1225
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,959
Speaker 1: like pretty hardcore stuff. Like he lived in he camp

1226
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: for two months straight, two summers in a row. He's

1227
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: been to the top of nearly the top of mountains.

1228
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: He's hunted and fished and been doing this kind of stuff.

1229
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: He's only four. I can't imagine what he's gonna know

1230
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: and be capable of by the time he's fourteen. I

1231
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna I bet you, by the time he's fourteen,

1232
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: he'll be better than me at fort um. The way

1233
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: it looks right now, Um, it's something I don't know.

1234
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: I guess that it might not be hunting. It might

1235
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: be fishing or climbing or biking or whatever. I don't know,

1236
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: but there'll be something. Whatever he gets into, I bet

1237
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: you he's going to be crushing it in one way

1238
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: or another. And I think that's what I hope for

1239
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: my kids, is that they find a thing. Yeah, I

1240
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: just hope that they have they find something. For me,

1241
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: it's been hunting and fishing. But one of my greatest

1242
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: hopes is that they find something that that just revs

1243
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: their engine, that gets them excited, that they're passionate about,

1244
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: that they are driven to get better at, to learn about,

1245
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: to dive fully into. And And my hope is that

1246
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: something outside because I think those outside things are good

1247
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: for you. But I just think about I look at

1248
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: other people I don't know, across the world or whatever

1249
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: that don't have a thing like we do, and I

1250
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: think how boring or how aimless that must be sometimes

1251
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: to have your only hobbies be watching sports on TV

1252
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: and playing video games or binge watching Netflix or whatever. Um,

1253
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: I'd be lost if I didn't have like these outdoor

1254
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: things that my life revolves around, like our calendar cycles through. Um.

1255
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping they can find something they can

1256
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: be passionate about, that they can give their all and

1257
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: that they can you know, grow from and and I

1258
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: think that there's plenty of opportunities in the outdoor. So

1259
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: then to find something that clicks like that, I don't know,

1260
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: that's the goal. That's the endgame, right, Yeah? Man? He

1261
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: really is. I gotta say, it's so cool to see

1262
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: the baby steps along the way for that. Um. I mean,

1263
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: there's so many stories, so many things like that. One

1264
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: of the coolest. I don't think we've talked about this,

1265
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: Dan if we did tell me, but I don't think

1266
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: I told you yet. But last year I took my

1267
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: son out a couple of times to help me recover

1268
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: deer and his excitement to help me go find a

1269
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: deer just through the roof. But what was really cool

1270
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: was the fact that he can see red in dark

1271
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 1: situations way better than I can. So he is tracking

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: my dear for me better than I can, damn already

1273
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: at age. And this who's three years old. At three

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01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: years old, he's like a blood out. He's like, there's blood,

1275
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: there's blood, there's blood, and he's going on like a

1276
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yard blood trail through the swamp leading

1277
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: the way, and he he yells at me if I

1278
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: try to go on from He's like, no, Dad, I

1279
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: want to be the leader. I want to be the leader.

1280
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: And he's taking me to my deer. Um. I mean

1281
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, those little moments like that is

1282
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: just like a Super Bowl Trophy for me as a dad,

1283
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: it's just like the coolest thing to see those little

1284
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: successes along the left. Yeah, dude, I I think about

1285
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: that a lot, especially because I I killed my dear

1286
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: this year on a weekday and so the kids had school,

1287
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: and that it would have been the perfect blood trail. Right.

1288
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: I watched the dear drop but it was kind of

1289
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: it was like forty or fifty yard track job. But

1290
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: I watched him drop, right, and I was like, man,

1291
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: that would be cool if I could get the kids

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: down here, So like I want to. I want to

1293
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: start spending a little bit more time closer to home

1294
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: so I can get them involved in this in that

1295
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: aspect of it too. So you know, I don't know,

1296
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see it. It's uh, it's fluid at

1297
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: this point. So I've got one last question for him.

1298
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: And I was asked this question myself. I dont a

1299
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, um, and I I hadn't really figured

1300
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: out an answer for myself terribly explicitly. But but I'm

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: curious if you have thought it all about how, if,

1302
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: if how or if or when you teach your kids

1303
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: about like conservation. Oh yeah, have you have you have

1304
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: you thought about that. Do you try to do that

1305
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: in some kind of purposeful way or are you letting

1306
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: it kind of naturally happen. What are your thoughts on, like,

1307
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: how do we instill that value in our kids? How

1308
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: do we show them that? How do we teach them

1309
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff? Um, what's what's that been like?

1310
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: Or what does that mean for you? It's uh actually

1311
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: although the active, the active part of that isn't really happening,

1312
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: Like we've never done any type of I mean, well

1313
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: I take that back my my kids. Uh, every year,

1314
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: somewhere in July, we get like three or four big

1315
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: trash bags, right, and we go to some of the

1316
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: public land down by where I live and we clean

1317
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: up the parking areas. Right. We just pick up the big,

1318
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: the big things that we can and load a couple

1319
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: of trash bags in and throw it in the back

1320
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: of the truck. And and or when we drive down

1321
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: a certain road. There's a certain road that leads to

1322
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: our town that has public land on one side of it,

1323
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: and there's always beer cans and trash, and we'll we'll

1324
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: pick that up so that aspect of it is there, right,

1325
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: and so that it takes an army of people. It

1326
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: just it takes a whole community. Now, what you've done

1327
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: in one day doesn't seem like a lot, but if

1328
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: you do this every day, or if a whole bunch

1329
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: of people do this right, then it becomes then you

1330
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: have all these hours and all this energy that's been

1331
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: put into keeping Mother Nature clean and healthy. So every

1332
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: time I see, like, uh, a wood duck in a

1333
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: in a like coming out of a box or you know,

1334
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: or something an example of that, like why do why

1335
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: do we have birdhouses on here? Or why do we

1336
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: do this? Or why do we do that? And just

1337
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: explain to them and it may not sink in. It's

1338
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: like some people who think that they can, you know,

1339
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: play play something while they're sleeping and they'll they'll subconsciously

1340
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: remember it later. Okay. So that's the approach that I'm

1341
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,440
Speaker 1: currently taking when it comes to conservation, is just explaining

1342
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: to them whenever the opportunity presents itself. And and if

1343
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: you look for it's there a lot and you can say, hey, hey, dad,

1344
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: you see that fox or that that turkey. I'm like, hey,

1345
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: did you know that right now that the turkey population

1346
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: is struggling a little bit in the state of Iowa.

1347
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: And it's because, um, one of the thoughts is that

1348
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: there's an over you know, and overpopulation in raccoons. Oh really,

1349
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they eat eggs. Yeah, actually raccoons

1350
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: are are what they call a nest predator, and you know,

1351
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: like and having those conversations with them all the time,

1352
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: and I think, and a lot of it has to

1353
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: do with um watching conservation shows like on nat GEO

1354
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: or you know something. It doesn't even have to be

1355
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: North American related, like, hey, check these guys here. All

1356
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: they do all day long is protect elephants, right, or

1357
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: a rhinoceros or something like that. And or when we

1358
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: go on our hikes and we see someone with a

1359
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: shovel fixing a one of those railroad tie steps on

1360
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: a on a trail, that's how I learned. That's how

1361
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: like my dad and me and my brother would go

1362
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,480
Speaker 1: camping all the time, and he taught us about conservation

1363
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: through like the county conservation boards and the state parks

1364
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: and things like that, and how it takes a team

1365
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: of people to make something like this successful and then

1366
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the details and maybe you know,

1367
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: like hey, Dad, what's this animal, Oh that's actually an

1368
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: animal that's extinct or that how you know, like the

1369
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: buffalo isn't necessarily really wild anymore because of what we

1370
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: did in the past and how certain people thought it

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01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 1: was important to keep this out and and start talking

1372
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: just it's just conversation Asian really at this point. Yeah, yeah,

1373
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: I think that's that's basically the same avenue I've taken.

1374
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: I've taken like I've kind of thought of it in

1375
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: like a three a three layer approach. Like number one

1376
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: is just doing what we've talked about this whole podcast,

1377
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: which is just getting them exposure to the outdoors and

1378
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: helping them develop develop a love for it, right, because

1379
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: I think that's step one, Like you gotta love something

1380
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: first before you're willing to fight for it or work

1381
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: for or whatever, right get to care for So step

1382
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: one is like helping them develop that love. Then step

1383
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,919
Speaker 1: two is kind of, like you said, like lead by example,

1384
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: like live in a way so that when your kids

1385
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: look at how you live and they see how they

1386
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: grew up, they will kind of seek conservation and action

1387
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: through small daily practices. So like you know, you said,

1388
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: like going out and picking up trash. That's the thing

1389
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: that I've tried to do with our kids too, and

1390
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: like it's a fun thing and you're making a little

1391
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 1: difference or like talking about this is why we recycle

1392
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, like this is why we're planning trees, um,

1393
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: and so do these little things throughout life while showing it.

1394
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: It's not just oh, well, telling them something, it's not

1395
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: just telling them, it's actually showing like, oh yeah, this

1396
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: is the thing we do. This is the thing that

1397
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: our family does. UM. I think that year after year

1398
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: after year, will I think sink in and then finally

1399
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: just like what you said, I think like taking every

1400
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: little opportunity to educate in small, simple, child friendly ways

1401
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: about you know, just teaching what animals or how animals

1402
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: live or interact or small ways that we can help

1403
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: and talk about kind of like hey, you know, what's

1404
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, part of our our duty is to try

1405
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: to give back. Part of what we try to do

1406
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: is take care of these things, um and keep it simple.

1407
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: But I think that that stuff like starts to become

1408
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 1: a part of who they are. If day after day,

1409
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: hike after hike, fishing trip after fishing trip, hunting trip

1410
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: after hunting trip, they learn little tiny things along the way,

1411
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: like what you talked about. I think that stuff starts

1412
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: to sink in and grow and it all goes back

1413
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: to developing that foundation. And I think the hope is

1414
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: that when they're sixteen or there, twenty one or whatever,

1415
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: all of that love for the outdoors, all of that

1416
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: seeing how their family operated in a way that was,

1417
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, giving back to the natural world in some

1418
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: kind of way. And then I think all these little lessons,

1419
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: small child friendly lessons over the course of their lifetime,

1420
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: I think all of that gives them this foundation to

1421
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: then do something with it when they are adults themselves,

1422
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll love it enough to want to try

1423
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: to do something good too. Um. I think it's I

1424
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: don't think it's complicated. I think it's I think that

1425
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: that's a simpler thing than maybe a lot of the

1426
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: other things we talked about. It's like, if you love

1427
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: it and you show that we should care about it,

1428
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: I think naturally that will grow within them. You know. Yeah,

1429
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: I really think what you said earlier about shedding some

1430
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: of the waste in your life. Like, dude, I don't

1431
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: watch TV anymore. Uh. If I do watch TV, I'm

1432
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: gonna put an asterix by that because I just finished

1433
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: ozark Um this week, so is that pretty good? From

1434
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: about yeah, from about nine to eleven this whole week

1435
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: after the kids are in bed, I I've been binging

1436
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: that show. I'm done with it and so but on

1437
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: an average week and I don't even I watched the

1438
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: news in the morning to get the weather, and that's

1439
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,440
Speaker 1: it for the most part. Uh, and either playing basketball

1440
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: outside with my son or I'm you know, working or

1441
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: whatever the deal is. So I'm I'm I'm getting rid

1442
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: of the waste the stuff that's not important, and I'm

1443
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: putting into what you know, putting more of what is

1444
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: important into the into the daily routine. And I think, uh,

1445
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: that's seems to be to be working so far. Yeah, man,

1446
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: agree with that. Getting rid of TV, Like, we don't

1447
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: even have a TV at our help place at all,

1448
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: so we don't we don't even have a TV here

1449
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: to watch, so getting rid of that has been a

1450
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: huge thing. Now we do have a tablet, so we'll

1451
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: let the kids watch stuff occasionally on there. But then

1452
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: deleting Facebook and Twitter off my phone was another one.

1453
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: Now I still have Instagram because I just gotta keep

1454
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: posting stuff on Insta, but getting rid of Facebook and

1455
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: Twitter has just like this is kind of a topic,

1456
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: totally separate, but it has just cleared up so much

1457
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: mind space from absolutely and a little bit of real time.

1458
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: But then also just like peace of mind has been

1459
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: amazing getting rid of that crap. Um, So yes to

1460
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: trying to prune the dead branches in your life in

1461
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: whatever form that comes up. I think, yeah, man, running

1462
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: this business is one of those like social media's uh uh,

1463
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: what do they call that? A necessary evil? Evil, stary evil,

1464
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: uncertain aspects of it and just doing what I do

1465
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: for promotion of the podcast and and the network and

1466
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: things like that. So what like the deep down inside

1467
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: of me, I don't want that anymore, So I don't.

1468
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I will want my business and I want

1469
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: my podcast, but I don't want social media. Like I

1470
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 1: just still still to this day, I'm on it way

1471
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: less than I used to be. But I'll get into

1472
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: a scroll hole this is what I call it. And

1473
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: you're just like, what am I doing? I'm not even

1474
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: reading any of this ship. It's like it's just like

1475
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: habitable and so so I put it down and I've

1476
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: deleted you know certain things, and I only do what's

1477
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: like what's really important to me, and and so, uh,

1478
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: just like again, trying to get rid of as much

1479
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: waste is humanly possible. Yeah, man, that's it's great for

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Speaker 1: your mind, and it's a great way to get a

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01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: little outside time. That's fact. So, buddy, I got one

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01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: last question for I already told you I had one

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: last question, but I got one more. The one more

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01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: question is just what's new with sports Nation? Where can

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01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: people find the latest? What what people know? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I guess my question is when is this going to launch? Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna launch, so not today May five, but

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Speaker 1: like May twelve, Okay, so next Thursday. So I'll just

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this right now, the Sportsman's Nation is

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01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: going through a very small rebrand where I'm getting this

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01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: new website and so it's gonna be it's gonna be

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01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: a name change from Sportsman's Nation to Sportsman's Empire, so

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: Sportsman's Empire dot com. And so nothing's really changed with

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Speaker 1: the network. Tons of great content coming out of it,

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01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different content coming out of it.

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Speaker 1: We got um More podcast joining the network. The Nine

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: Finger Chronicles is still going to be on there, and

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Speaker 1: so it's, uh, we're slowly transitioning into from Sportsman's Nation

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01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: to Sportsman's Empire and and so I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 1: And and other than that, man, it's just like putting

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Speaker 1: out a ton of content. I think June is gonna

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01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: be like a flood of content. We're gonna be putting

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01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: out so much cool stuff. And and all the other

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01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: content providers for the network are are jacked and and

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 1: doing well. And so I'm dude, I'm I'm really excited. Uh,

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01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to keep moving forward and see the

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Speaker 1: business grow and and ship, like hire somebody. I'm actually

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01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: thinking about hiring somebody right now, which is crazy to

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: to have. And I guess what I would call an employee,

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: which is nuts to think of. Uh. And so just

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Speaker 1: continuing to move forward, man, that's all you know. Don't

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Speaker 1: look back, I guess. Yeah. That's awesome, dude, good for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to hear. It's been awesome to watch.

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Speaker 1: So keep on working hard, but even not too hard.

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: To take a little time, get out there, breathe that

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Speaker 1: fresh air. I'm gonna try all all I can. I

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Speaker 1: just need like the Midwest kind of sucks this year. Man,

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01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: it's been wet and raining, and so I'm ready for

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01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a straight like week a sunshine so

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: I can get stuff done. I want to go hang

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: trail cameras back out. I want to put mineral back out.

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: I want to go mushroom hunting. I want to go fishing,

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: like all this stuff that I wanna pack into like

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Speaker 1: this summer. So come on out to Idaho, dude. I'm

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01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: sitting here in my driveway on my little camp table,

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01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,799
Speaker 1: sitting outside. I'm looking at the mountains the sun shine,

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful and it's just calling your name, dan Ill.

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Speaker 1: Day one would be awesome, like oh Mark our families

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Day two you'd be like Jesus, w

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: are the Johnson's gonna leave? Man? When are they gonna leave?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun stuff to do it here. I

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, keep in mind, all right, buddy, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having on fun anytime. Man, all right, And that's

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Speaker 1: a rap. Appreciate you listening. I hope you enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to stay tuned for more on this topic,

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Speaker 1: definitely on my Instagram count I talk about my kids

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01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: and my challenges and lessons learned and things I've figured

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01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 1: out in the outdoors of my kids a lot on there.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not already following me on Wired to Hunt,

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01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: look up wired to Hunt on the Instagram platform. Uh

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Speaker 1: lots there. And then, like I mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 1: Steve's new book, Outdoor Kids in an Inside World. It's

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01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: available anywhere books are sold. Highly recommend checking it out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll enjoy it. So until next time, thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, I appreciate you, and stay wired to Hunt.