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Speaker 1: Y'all. All right, You're gonna have a very brief mini
Speaker 1: pod today because we had such a rich conversation around
Speaker 1: black engagement. So we were so excited about that conversation
Speaker 1: we didn't even decide what to talk about.
Speaker 2: On the mini pod. So it's interesting because I actually.
Speaker 1: Have something I want to talk about and I want
Speaker 1: to get you guys opinion on it. No shit, you guys,
Speaker 1: I am actually legit afraid. This week, the Justice Department
Speaker 1: order US attorneys to investigate and prosecute law enforcement officials
Speaker 1: if they refuse to enforce Trump's administration's immigration policies. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to have a conversation about immigration, which
Speaker 1: we should have at some point.
Speaker 2: My point is he is.
Speaker 1: Instructing the federal government to arrest people for not carrying
Speaker 1: out his vision. And if it starts there, if we're
Speaker 1: starting there on week one, where are we going to go?
Speaker 2: And I just wonder, are y'all frightened at it? Do
Speaker 2: you do you think?
Speaker 1: Can you envision a future where he might come after
Speaker 1: us individually. Andrew, you've certainly been targeted by the federal
Speaker 1: government before. I'm just I'm just getting increasingly nervous invited
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I wonder how.
Speaker 3: And by the state to be very directed about it.
Speaker 3: There was a piece written I think last week around
Speaker 3: you know, Trump's plan is to make America Florida. This
Speaker 3: is a piece in the national publication and they got
Speaker 3: it right. I said this on a previous show of ours,
Speaker 3: that that Florida has been the preemptive example, pre eminent
Speaker 3: rather example of what it means to slowly chill chisel
Speaker 3: away at democracy. The governor has sought fit to remove
Speaker 3: from office people who disagree with his political positions. He
Speaker 3: has sent the state police to the doorsteps of of
Speaker 3: innocent people whose only crime was going and voting because
Speaker 3: they believe that we have restored their rights and therefore
Speaker 3: had the legal right to vote. He has gone. And
Speaker 3: we are in the state of Florida, the number one
Speaker 3: book banner of any state in the nation. And we
Speaker 3: thought Texas had us beat at everything, but oh no,
Speaker 3: they can't compare to the amount of instruction, the amount
Speaker 3: of legitimate history that's been extracted from the education system
Speaker 3: in the state at the hands of this at the
Speaker 3: hands of this governor, has he has sought to make
Speaker 3: protesting against law enforcement illegal in the state of Florida.
Speaker 3: He has appointed a Supreme Court, a majority court that
Speaker 3: rubber stamps as legal any illogical step that he may
Speaker 3: take as governor. And I'll just I'll just say it
Speaker 3: is we're not even you know, tiptoeing toward autocracy and
Speaker 3: strong men leaders, We're already there. The president and his
Speaker 3: executive order is just here at day two, day three,
Speaker 3: day four, the first week of him being in office,
Speaker 3: has yes, targeted immigrants, has yes targeted DDI instructed all
Speaker 3: federal government employees working on DEI to be suspended, to
Speaker 3: be done away on his way to eliminating it. And
Speaker 3: now what we hear is an executive order. Just so
Speaker 3: that you're clear, this executive order is intended to go
Speaker 3: after governors, mayors, city council members who stand in the
Speaker 3: gap on behalf of immigrants and those communities that this
Speaker 3: administration is going to target. If you determine that your
Speaker 3: city is a sanctuary city, if you determine that your
Speaker 3: city does not enforce discrimination policies but rather anti discrimination policies.
Speaker 3: This president wants to give license to federal law enforcement
Speaker 3: to come after you.
Speaker 1: It's fright, and he's allowing them to go into churches
Speaker 1: and schools. I just, you know, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of you. I've seen a lot of comments like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm part ninety two percent and I'm mine in my business.
Speaker 1: And listen, guys, First of all, these are undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1: They did not vote in the election. They don't have
Speaker 1: a right to vote in the election. And please believe
Speaker 1: when they come for them, guess what they come before next. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think this is the time to be
Speaker 1: like f them my mine in my business.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Angela, you're I mean, I know that you're you know,
Speaker 1: working on Maryland's pardon, and you working on Capitol Hill
Speaker 1: and all your experience working on Andrew's campaign have seen
Speaker 1: up close and personal the power of the federal government.
Speaker 1: Do you have any personal fear for yourself about this
Speaker 1: administration targeting you in any way or black people in general.
Speaker 4: You know, I have to be honest with you all.
Speaker 4: I don't have time to sit in my fear. I
Speaker 4: think that I'm really focused on making sure that people
Speaker 4: are educated about all of the ways that this administration
Speaker 4: is causing harm, both the deliberate and unintentional, even you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they don't realize that benefiting some group is it's
Speaker 4: basically everything for the haves, not a damn thing for
Speaker 4: the have nots, and and and there are definitely some
Speaker 4: things that they are doing that are punitive. I don't
Speaker 4: have time to worry about me because I need to
Speaker 4: focus on making sure that folks are educated on what
Speaker 4: is happening and then how to respond in a protective way.
Speaker 4: So we're starting something next week where we have solo pods.
Speaker 4: We contemplating call them side pods, like side pieces.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to do a.
Speaker 4: Side pod where we do a deeper dive on the
Speaker 4: executive actions that have already taken place and the harms
Speaker 4: that it will likely cause two Black communities. So I
Speaker 4: think for me right now, I'm not resting in the fear.
Speaker 4: I can't, but yes, my spirit feels a tiff. I
Speaker 4: don't want to focus on that because my blood pressure
Speaker 4: is already hat as y'all know, I was on the
Speaker 4: bike with y'all while we were doing our pre pro
Speaker 4: call is on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go.
Speaker 1: While we were doing our call. I know you say
Speaker 1: you're not focused on the fear, but you do. You
Speaker 1: do have fiar. You're just re channeling your energy.
Speaker 2: I have to like, I don't I think that. I
Speaker 2: think that's mean.
Speaker 4: Fear is I don't even know if it is, but
Speaker 4: it is immobilizing. And I think for black people in particular,
Speaker 4: really everybody, all people of color who have been traumatized
Speaker 4: in some way by the patriarchy, by colonization, by imperialism.
Speaker 4: We when we see something that is familiar, even if
Speaker 4: we didn't have the direct experience, but it is resonant
Speaker 4: with our ancestral memory, the response is to For some
Speaker 4: of us it is to it is to freeze.
Speaker 2: For some it is to fawn.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what you would say about the inaugural performers,
Speaker 4: you know. Or it is to take flight. And I
Speaker 4: I or for fine, and I think for me, that's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. For me, I am in fight. And
Speaker 4: you know, it was so interesting last night our friend
Speaker 4: Kim Blackwell as a Bible study group for the women
Speaker 4: who participated in her conference, and I was like, I
Speaker 4: ain't get to notice. I need to join that and
Speaker 4: one of the things that the pastor said in this
Speaker 4: was like, you can be a fighter. This was specific
Speaker 4: to me. You can be a fighter, but know which
Speaker 4: fight is yours. And I needed that because of capacity,
Speaker 4: because of my nervous system, because of my blood pressure,
Speaker 4: because of time in the day, and all with all
Speaker 4: of that, as y'all know, you got to keep the
Speaker 4: lights on. So there's an obligation to work. There's an
Speaker 4: obligation to fight, there's an obligation to preserve, and there's
Speaker 4: an obligation to progress. And I'm committed to all of those.
Speaker 5: Andrew, you were asking something, Yeah, if I just wanted
Speaker 5: to forecast that these executive orders, particularly the ones going
Speaker 5: after people who defy the word of this president, this
Speaker 5: quote came, if you will that this is a shot
Speaker 5: over the bow.
Speaker 3: And the folks who are going to fall victim on
Speaker 3: the other side of that are going to be the
Speaker 3: black mayor of Chicago, the black mayor of New York
Speaker 3: if you don't work a deal, the black mayor of
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, the black mayors in Houston. They are going
Speaker 3: into cities that are largely led by yes, Democrats, but
Speaker 3: also black folk.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And the reason why this fight is going to, you know,
Speaker 3: to take Monique Warrell, who we talked about the other week,
Speaker 3: the prosecutor who is removed here in Florida. They're going
Speaker 3: to go after those kind of people, and they are
Speaker 3: going to label us as criminals. They're going to brand us,
Speaker 3: and then they're going to try to desensitize our community
Speaker 3: to our pain, the pain of these individuals who are
Speaker 3: leading and standing because they're going to point out things
Speaker 3: that they have done wrong or that run a foul
Speaker 3: in their opinion of the law. And some of us
Speaker 3: might just be willing to accept that something has gone
Speaker 3: on that shouldn't have gone on, and maybe these folks
Speaker 3: are in some ways deserving of the attention that they're getting.
Speaker 3: I want to rebuke that right now. I know that playbook,
Speaker 3: and I've seen it, and I've been on the other
Speaker 3: side of it, because before a federal charge came down
Speaker 3: for me, it was being sued by the NRA in
Speaker 3: the state of Florida and having the State of Florida
Speaker 3: come to the backs of the NRA and not me,
Speaker 3: a democratically elected official in the state of Florida. They're back,
Speaker 3: and they're lawyers on the opposite side of me as
Speaker 3: an elected official. So this I know this playbook so
Speaker 3: well and I see it coming, and I just want
Speaker 3: to say part of knowing which fight is yours requires
Speaker 3: that we also, I believe, protect the people who were
Speaker 3: putting on the front lines in defense of us. Those mayors,
Speaker 3: those leaders who are on the front lines. They are
Speaker 3: going to need our backs, and they won't be humble
Speaker 3: enough to ask for it, but they're going to need it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we got to be there and have theirs.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I you know, this is a quick mini pod.
Speaker 1: I do just want to say, though, this also puts
Speaker 1: the media has been such a colossal failure and I
Speaker 1: really regret that we didn't have time to get into this,
Speaker 1: but I imagine that we'll have to resurface this topic again.
Speaker 1: We're in an administration who is targeting us, who is
Speaker 1: politicized in the military, who is deputizing people law enforcement
Speaker 1: to go and arrest folks, and a president or vice
Speaker 1: president or whatever we want to call Elon Musk, who
Speaker 1: is giving a Nazi symbol on air and having these
Speaker 1: networks spit in.
Speaker 2: Our face and tell us that we didn't even get
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: I know, I know but you know what, Angela, the
Speaker 1: crazy thing is, I imagine we will be able to get
Speaker 1: to this next week because they will continue to go
Speaker 1: after people who they deem our anti Semitic while giving
Speaker 1: Elon Musk a free pass. And I know you, I'm
Speaker 1: really curious your thoughts on it. I certainly have thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. But the point I'm making bringing it up
Speaker 1: is how what a colossal failure the media has been
Speaker 1: and how little value they have for their viewers to
Speaker 1: act like that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: And I have to give of the several.
Speaker 1: Confirmed sources across both networks who were told they got
Speaker 1: guidance that they could not talk about what happened with
Speaker 1: Elon mus so they could not show what happened with
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. So screw these networks and please continue to
Speaker 1: support independent media like us at Native Land, Pod and and.
Speaker 2: Other other places where there where the struth are sides.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I know this is a quick way tiff wain tiff,
Speaker 1: just just a point of factual correction.
Speaker 2: We independent that I have.
Speaker 3: Another point of privilege, which is simply say Elon mus
Speaker 3: does not deserved the benefit of the doubt. That man
Speaker 3: grew up in apartheid South Africa, graduated at high school
Speaker 3: and it was still apartheid South Africa. He knows what
Speaker 3: his symbols are and he knows what he meant to communicate.
Speaker 3: There's a benefit of the doubt. We welcome.
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