WEBVTT - We Are Not (that) Afraid

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all. All right, You're gonna have a very brief mini

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<v Speaker 1>pod today because we had such a rich conversation around

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<v Speaker 1>black engagement. So we were so excited about that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't even decide what to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>On the mini pod. So it's interesting because I actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Have something I want to talk about and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get you guys opinion on it. No shit, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I am actually legit afraid. This week, the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 1>order US attorneys to investigate and prosecute law enforcement officials

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<v Speaker 1>if they refuse to enforce Trump's administration's immigration policies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to have a conversation about immigration, which

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<v Speaker 1>we should have at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>My point is he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Instructing the federal government to arrest people for not carrying

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<v Speaker 1>out his vision. And if it starts there, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>starting there on week one, where are we going to go?

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<v Speaker 2>And I just wonder, are y'all frightened at it? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you envision a future where he might come after

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<v Speaker 1>us individually. Andrew, you've certainly been targeted by the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government before. I'm just I'm just getting increasingly nervous invited

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the state to be very directed about it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a piece written I think last week around

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Trump's plan is to make America Florida. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a piece in the national publication and they got

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<v Speaker 3>it right. I said this on a previous show of ours,

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<v Speaker 3>that that Florida has been the preemptive example, pre eminent

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<v Speaker 3>rather example of what it means to slowly chill chisel

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<v Speaker 3>away at democracy. The governor has sought fit to remove

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<v Speaker 3>from office people who disagree with his political positions. He

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<v Speaker 3>has sent the state police to the doorsteps of of

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<v Speaker 3>innocent people whose only crime was going and voting because

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<v Speaker 3>they believe that we have restored their rights and therefore

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<v Speaker 3>had the legal right to vote. He has gone. And

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<v Speaker 3>we are in the state of Florida, the number one

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<v Speaker 3>book banner of any state in the nation. And we

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<v Speaker 3>thought Texas had us beat at everything, but oh no,

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<v Speaker 3>they can't compare to the amount of instruction, the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of legitimate history that's been extracted from the education system

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<v Speaker 3>in the state at the hands of this at the

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<v Speaker 3>hands of this governor, has he has sought to make

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<v Speaker 3>protesting against law enforcement illegal in the state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>He has appointed a Supreme Court, a majority court that

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<v Speaker 3>rubber stamps as legal any illogical step that he may

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<v Speaker 3>take as governor. And I'll just I'll just say it

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<v Speaker 3>is we're not even you know, tiptoeing toward autocracy and

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<v Speaker 3>strong men leaders, We're already there. The president and his

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<v Speaker 3>executive order is just here at day two, day three,

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<v Speaker 3>day four, the first week of him being in office,

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<v Speaker 3>has yes, targeted immigrants, has yes targeted DDI instructed all

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<v Speaker 3>federal government employees working on DEI to be suspended, to

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<v Speaker 3>be done away on his way to eliminating it. And

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<v Speaker 3>now what we hear is an executive order. Just so

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<v Speaker 3>that you're clear, this executive order is intended to go

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<v Speaker 3>after governors, mayors, city council members who stand in the

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<v Speaker 3>gap on behalf of immigrants and those communities that this

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<v Speaker 3>administration is going to target. If you determine that your

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<v Speaker 3>city is a sanctuary city, if you determine that your

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<v Speaker 3>city does not enforce discrimination policies but rather anti discrimination policies.

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<v Speaker 3>This president wants to give license to federal law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>to come after you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fright, and he's allowing them to go into churches

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<v Speaker 1>and schools. I just, you know, I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you. I've seen a lot of comments like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm part ninety two percent and I'm mine in my business.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen, guys, First of all, these are undocumented immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not vote in the election. They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a right to vote in the election. And please believe

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<v Speaker 1>when they come for them, guess what they come before next. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think this is the time to be

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<v Speaker 1>like f them my mine in my business.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela, you're I mean, I know that you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working on Maryland's pardon, and you working on Capitol Hill

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<v Speaker 1>and all your experience working on Andrew's campaign have seen

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<v Speaker 1>up close and personal the power of the federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any personal fear for yourself about this

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<v Speaker 1>administration targeting you in any way or black people in general.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I have to be honest with you all.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have time to sit in my fear. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that I'm really focused on making sure that people

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<v Speaker 4>are educated about all of the ways that this administration

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<v Speaker 4>is causing harm, both the deliberate and unintentional, even you know,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe they don't realize that benefiting some group is it's

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<v Speaker 4>basically everything for the haves, not a damn thing for

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<v Speaker 4>the have nots, and and and there are definitely some

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<v Speaker 4>things that they are doing that are punitive. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have time to worry about me because I need to

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<v Speaker 4>focus on making sure that folks are educated on what

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<v Speaker 4>is happening and then how to respond in a protective way.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're starting something next week where we have solo pods.

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<v Speaker 4>We contemplating call them side pods, like side pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to do a.

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<v Speaker 4>Side pod where we do a deeper dive on the

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<v Speaker 4>executive actions that have already taken place and the harms

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<v Speaker 4>that it will likely cause two Black communities. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think for me right now, I'm not resting in the fear.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't, but yes, my spirit feels a tiff. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to focus on that because my blood pressure

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<v Speaker 4>is already hat as y'all know, I was on the

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<v Speaker 4>bike with y'all while we were doing our pre pro

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<v Speaker 4>call is on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>While we were doing our call. I know you say

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<v Speaker 1>you're not focused on the fear, but you do. You

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<v Speaker 1>do have fiar. You're just re channeling your energy.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to like, I don't I think that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Fear is I don't even know if it is, but

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<v Speaker 4>it is immobilizing. And I think for black people in particular,

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<v Speaker 4>really everybody, all people of color who have been traumatized

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<v Speaker 4>in some way by the patriarchy, by colonization, by imperialism.

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<v Speaker 4>We when we see something that is familiar, even if

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have the direct experience, but it is resonant

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<v Speaker 4>with our ancestral memory, the response is to For some

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<v Speaker 4>of us it is to it is to freeze.

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<v Speaker 2>For some it is to fawn.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe that's what you would say about the inaugural performers,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. Or it is to take flight. And I

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<v Speaker 4>I or for fine, and I think for me, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. For me, I am in fight. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was so interesting last night our friend

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<v Speaker 4>Kim Blackwell as a Bible study group for the women

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<v Speaker 4>who participated in her conference, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>ain't get to notice. I need to join that and

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<v Speaker 4>one of the things that the pastor said in this

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<v Speaker 4>was like, you can be a fighter. This was specific

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<v Speaker 4>to me. You can be a fighter, but know which

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<v Speaker 4>fight is yours. And I needed that because of capacity,

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<v Speaker 4>because of my nervous system, because of my blood pressure,

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<v Speaker 4>because of time in the day, and all with all

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<v Speaker 4>of that, as y'all know, you got to keep the

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<v Speaker 4>lights on. So there's an obligation to work. There's an

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<v Speaker 4>obligation to fight, there's an obligation to preserve, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>an obligation to progress. And I'm committed to all of those.

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew, you were asking something, Yeah, if I just wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to forecast that these executive orders, particularly the ones going

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<v Speaker 5>after people who defy the word of this president, this

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<v Speaker 5>quote came, if you will that this is a shot

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<v Speaker 5>over the bow.

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<v Speaker 3>And the folks who are going to fall victim on

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<v Speaker 3>the other side of that are going to be the

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<v Speaker 3>black mayor of Chicago, the black mayor of New York

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't work a deal, the black mayor of

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles, the black mayors in Houston. They are going

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<v Speaker 3>into cities that are largely led by yes, Democrats, but

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<v Speaker 3>also black folk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason why this fight is going to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to take Monique Warrell, who we talked about the other week,

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecutor who is removed here in Florida. They're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go after those kind of people, and they are

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<v Speaker 3>going to label us as criminals. They're going to brand us,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they're going to try to desensitize our community

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<v Speaker 3>to our pain, the pain of these individuals who are

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<v Speaker 3>leading and standing because they're going to point out things

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<v Speaker 3>that they have done wrong or that run a foul

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<v Speaker 3>in their opinion of the law. And some of us

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<v Speaker 3>might just be willing to accept that something has gone

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<v Speaker 3>on that shouldn't have gone on, and maybe these folks

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<v Speaker 3>are in some ways deserving of the attention that they're getting.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to rebuke that right now. I know that playbook,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've seen it, and I've been on the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of it, because before a federal charge came down

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it was being sued by the NRA in

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<v Speaker 3>the state of Florida and having the State of Florida

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<v Speaker 3>come to the backs of the NRA and not me,

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<v Speaker 3>a democratically elected official in the state of Florida. They're back,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're lawyers on the opposite side of me as

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<v Speaker 3>an elected official. So this I know this playbook so

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<v Speaker 3>well and I see it coming, and I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to say part of knowing which fight is yours requires

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<v Speaker 3>that we also, I believe, protect the people who were

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<v Speaker 3>putting on the front lines in defense of us. Those mayors,

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<v Speaker 3>those leaders who are on the front lines. They are

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<v Speaker 3>going to need our backs, and they won't be humble

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<v Speaker 3>enough to ask for it, but they're going to need it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and we got to be there and have theirs.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, this is a quick mini pod.

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<v Speaker 1>I do just want to say, though, this also puts

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<v Speaker 1>the media has been such a colossal failure and I

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<v Speaker 1>really regret that we didn't have time to get into this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I imagine that we'll have to resurface this topic again.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in an administration who is targeting us, who is

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<v Speaker 1>politicized in the military, who is deputizing people law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>to go and arrest folks, and a president or vice

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<v Speaker 1>president or whatever we want to call Elon Musk, who

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<v Speaker 1>is giving a Nazi symbol on air and having these

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<v Speaker 1>networks spit in.

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<v Speaker 2>Our face and tell us that we didn't even get

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know but you know what, Angela, the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing is, I imagine we will be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>to this next week because they will continue to go

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<v Speaker 1>after people who they deem our anti Semitic while giving

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk a free pass. And I know you, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really curious your thoughts on it. I certainly have thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on it. But the point I'm making bringing it up

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<v Speaker 1>is how what a colossal failure the media has been

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<v Speaker 1>and how little value they have for their viewers to

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<v Speaker 1>act like that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to give of the several.

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<v Speaker 1>Confirmed sources across both networks who were told they got

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<v Speaker 1>guidance that they could not talk about what happened with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon mus so they could not show what happened with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. So screw these networks and please continue to

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<v Speaker 1>support independent media like us at Native Land, Pod and and.

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<v Speaker 2>Other other places where there where the struth are sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I know this is a quick way tiff wain tiff,

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<v Speaker 1>just just a point of factual correction.

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<v Speaker 2>We independent that I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Another point of privilege, which is simply say Elon mus

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<v Speaker 3>does not deserved the benefit of the doubt. That man

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<v Speaker 3>grew up in apartheid South Africa, graduated at high school

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<v Speaker 3>and it was still apartheid South Africa. He knows what

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<v Speaker 3>his symbols are and he knows what he meant to communicate.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a benefit of the doubt. We welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more to say on this, So tune in every

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<v Speaker 1>NAACAP image dot net anyway you can google and figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out, but vote for Native Lampods and have make

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even like.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask them the vote. Thank you guys for tuning in

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