1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Get it. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: Let's get it. LL cool J, my brother good. I 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: want to set my intentions for this conversation before we 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: get started. I want people to watch this conversation, and 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: when it's over, I want them to say to themselves, 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: damn objectively, regardless how they may feel personally, who's their 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: personal favorites? Objectively, you can't have any top five greatest 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: of all time discussions without mentioning LLL cool J. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: Yo, I take it. I take that all day. 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 2: Man. 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: Can I argue with that? 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I say that is because 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: you are by far hip hop's first major superstar. People 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: could say you are a prototype for what became the 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: formula for success in rap. You had the streets, you 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: had the women, and you had songs for both of them. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: So with that said, why do you think L COOLJ 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: isn't in those conversations? 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, first of all, I feel 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: like I First of all, let me just say I 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: feel appreciated, and I feel respected and I feel loved. 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: I think that you know, any in any art form, 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: in any genre, you know ultimately you know there are 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: different dynamics at work when people hear people like so 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Internet ushered in a different came in 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: during a different era, so it documented things on a 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: different level. So some people who weren't there to necessarily 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: witness certain things might not be aware. But my job, 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: like is not to really harp on what people don't know, 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: is to show them what they should know and teach 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: them what they should know. 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: Right. 33 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: So it's like, that's the whole point of me making 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: new music, just to get out there, to let them 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: see what it's like to have me on the court, 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: so to speak. You know what I'm saying, to see 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: me out there balling. And the difference is, you know, 38 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: this isn't sports, this is art, and in art, you 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: know it's about the mind, the soul, the emotions. You 40 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: be connected to what you create. So you could do 41 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: that at a high level at any point. And I 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: think that's my that's my goal and my objective right now, 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: show people that you can take a hiatus from something, 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: do it, do something else, and then re emerge and 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: do it. 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: At a high level. 47 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: So you know, we'll get to it, they'll learn most most. 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: Critics will consider it risky though, because of your icon status, 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: to release a new album so long. 50 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: After your last one. What would you say, I'd say 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: that's the whole point. Like, that's the fun part of it. 52 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: Right. 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: It's like, listen, there is no great artists, great athlete, 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: or great any anybody that's great at anything if you 55 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: cannot be great if you're not willing to be vulnerable. 56 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: And this vulnerability comes from having the strength and the 57 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: courage to go after what it is that you want 58 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: and risk looking foolish in the process. 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: Lebron doesn't get the last shot. 60 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: Steph Curry doesn't take the last shot if he's worried 61 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: about his legacy. Right, Kobe don't take the last shot 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: if he's worried about his legacy. Lebron stops playing three 63 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: four years ago if he's worried about his legacy. But 64 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: because he wants to push the envelope. You're having a conversation. 65 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: Look at what this guy can do in year twenty, 66 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Look what he can do in year five, Right, you 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So to me, it's like, that's 68 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: the fun of it. Like I love that challenge. I 69 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: look like I am. That's what's that's what makes it 70 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: worth it. 71 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 72 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: So, what is legacy the ll cool, Yo, I got it. 73 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: You know what's funny, man? You know. 74 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Nobody gets a chance to come back and say, yo, 75 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: correct my tombstone. You know what I mean? 76 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: Like yo, yo, yes, that that's not what I meant. 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: Naw. So it's like none of us really know what 78 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: our legacy is because why do we know that? Because 79 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: if you put a picture of a glass of water 80 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: on the internet, they're gonna argue over that, right, And 81 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: people rounded it. Oh, people used it to sustain life. 82 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: People wanted plans with it, nine people. So I don't 83 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. What matters is what you do in 84 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the moment. You know what I'm saying. 85 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: What are you doing in the moment right now with 86 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: your life? You know what I'm saying. 87 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: So what I want to do is just maximize my potential. 88 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Then you let you let the world decide all that. 89 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: There'll be generations after us that can have all them 90 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: debates and all them conversations. 91 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: To pop your shit a little bit though, put out 92 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: of doubt because you see the top five list and 93 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: there's people that came after you. They'll put on the 94 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: top five list and it's almost like you know, they're 95 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: discrediting you. In a in a sense, So you gotta 96 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: care about the recognition. 97 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: Well, I do care about the right. No, no, no, I 98 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: definitely care about the recognition. No, no, absolutely, I just like, like, 99 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: you know what you're saying. It's like sometimes you hear 100 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: Floyd say, Yo, everybody's entitled to their opinion. That's really 101 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: how I feel, like, I really don't care about that shit, man, Like, 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: if that's what you like, that's what you like, baby, 103 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. Like my job is 104 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: to touch the people who love L and who fuck 105 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: with L, not to be worried about who messages with 106 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: this one or that one, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, 107 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't affect my spirit on my vibe 108 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: because if it did, listen, man, to get the way 109 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I've been in life and to get do the things 110 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: out do, you gotta have thick skin, bro, Like you know, 111 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: i'd i'd have been. 112 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: At a ball with my thumb in my mouth and 113 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: a blanky a long time ago if I was really 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: worried about these lists and people's opinions, because nothing is 115 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: ever gonna be perfect, you know what I mean. 116 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: So look, I think that history will shine kindly on me. 117 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: You know that at the end of the day, like 118 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: you gotta remember, like you're talking to look, death Jam 119 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: had there was Death Jam Productions. The label was Party 120 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Times street Wise. They had a song by Tila Rock 121 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: called It's Yours. 122 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: I bought that. I bought that song, that. 123 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: Song, I took it, wrote, made a demo centered into 124 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: Rick Rubin, Me Russell and Rick. We ended up starting 125 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Death Jam, right. They they it was their label. 126 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: I was the flagship. 127 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Artist, right, so everything that came after me, you know 128 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: my first You know, you're talking to a guy whose 129 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: first single drop to eighty four and people, and I'm 130 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: still like relevant in the world globally. 131 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't complain. 132 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: And if you think about everybody that came after Death Jam, 133 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: out of death Jam on death Jam, like I mean, 134 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: I basically ushered in the whole modern era of hip hop, 135 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: right and grew up watching Flash and the Treacherous and 136 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: the Crash Crew and the Feelers. Form was at those parts, 137 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: like at their shows and seeing them and listening to 138 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: the tapes and the blends and the mixes. So I've 139 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 1: been a fan from day one and then helped usher 140 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: in a new era as well, so I don't really 141 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: have any beef. You know, I feel real good about 142 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: my standing in this culture. 143 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to ask you about Death Jam too, because, 144 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: as you just mentioned, you were a staple at Death Jam, 145 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: and I would always thought they should have renegotiated your 146 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: contract to make. 147 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: You more of an owner. 148 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: But I catalog. 149 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I. 150 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: Own my catalog. 151 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: When you see Mama Sitt knock you out in the movie, 152 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: I licensed that, you know what I'm saying, like people, 153 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: you know. 154 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: People, people are under depression. Oh boy, like listen man. 155 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Because that was the time back in the day artists 156 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: were getting gotten. 157 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: Nah, but see, not all artists. That speaks. That's not 158 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: a broad general thing. 159 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: That speaks to certain executives taking advantage of certain people. 160 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: One thing I can say about Russell and Leo. Look 161 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: and Russell, he didn't make a bad deal early. And 162 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: then Leo, he drives a hard bargain, but he'll give 163 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: it to you when you earn it and knows I 164 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: can't front on the guy. People can say what they 165 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: want about him, but at the end of the day, 166 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: I do own my catalog, and I do you know, 167 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, have a huge interest, you know in what 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I do. You know what I mean. Yeah, there's other 169 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: samples and different things, but I own all my stuff. 170 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: So it's like I can't complain with that. 171 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: The Kobe deal for you, Like, did they give you 172 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: that because like, Okay, this was our franchise artist. This 173 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: is the guy who put us on the map here 174 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: to take all your masters and everything else. 175 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't really that. 176 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: It was I was at a point where I was 177 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: my deal was up and we had you know, it 178 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: was like we got to find a way to make 179 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: it right, so and just our relationship and we just 180 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: made a good deal and that was part of it. 181 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm I'm good, like you know what 182 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Like I really am in a good place 183 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: in that way, you know what I'm saying. Not to 184 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: mention all the other things that I do as well, 185 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: so you know, I can't. 186 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna get into that. Yeah, do you feel slightly 187 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: that it took so long for them to put you 188 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 189 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: Not really, because I understand that a major part of 190 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: my appeal, you know, especially in something especially on a 191 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: commercial level, was geared towards women. It was black women, 192 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: all women of all races, but it was a lot 193 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: of black women, a lot of difference. And because of that, 194 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, you just got some dudes that you know, 195 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: you know that ain't you know, they want you to 196 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, if you ain't burning the flag or you know, 197 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: being a revel in a different way, they want to 198 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: not necessarily give that. You know, everybody doesn't recognize the 199 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: artistry that comes with that. They think it's like there's 200 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: some kind of trick to that. But there you got 201 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: to really make them songs. 202 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: They don't see the value in it. 203 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to really write I Need Love. 204 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: You have to really write around the way girl, Like, 205 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: you really got to write these songs. 206 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: You got to write lounge. You got to write doing it. 207 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: You can't just you know, that doesn't just show up 208 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: because you took your shirt off, like you you know, 209 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: I take my shirt off. You know the song is 210 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: bullshit When I took my shirt off like that. It 211 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. Like, you actually have to write 212 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the songs, so you know what I mean. Like, so 213 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: for some of them dudes in the Hall of Fact 214 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: at that time, especially when you hear in retrospect, because 215 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: that was an old regime. Remember that's not the new regime. 216 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: The new regime, they're rocket you know what I'm saying. 217 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: But that was another guy, and he had a whole 218 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: nother mindset, so you know what I mean. 219 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you're saying that they probably didn't respect 220 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: the art like they should have because of your sex 221 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: simple status. Yes, that's crazy because you hear that conversation 222 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: from women, you don't really hear that from a man's perspective. 223 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Of course, it's real though, it's real. It's like you 224 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: know there, you know, like it's just part of the game, 225 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: right like at that time, Like in terms of those 226 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: song you know what I'm saying, Like they want, you know, 227 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: fight the power and only fight the power, you know 228 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: what I mean respectfully, you know what I'm saying, Like 229 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: they you know, just think about who got in and 230 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: why with sex cells. Yeah, but that's not necessarily you know, 231 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: let me let let's keep it. 232 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: Really, if if. 233 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: You got a dude that feels like he's living his 234 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: life making a pinky promise, the last thing, the last 235 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: thing he wants to do is put you know, the 236 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: young bull and the you know on the frame. 237 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: That's fantastic. 238 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Hey honey, Hey, hey honey, look at this guy. Let's uh, 239 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's keep him. 240 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: Out of the Yeah, yeah, let's start. 241 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, let's not uh. 242 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: You know, man, does it feel well? 243 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: How? 244 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: I love that remix? 245 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm grave. So you kept your shirt on mores when 246 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: they a lot okay, been a. 247 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: Lot easier, bro like like shirts on and you know 248 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: then you were not the women. It's like whatever, you know, 249 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like showed up to a cocktail 250 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: party with your tuxedo opened at a six pack with 251 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: your shirt. It probably won't go over well with some 252 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: parts of the crowd, but you embraced the door like 253 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: who's he? 254 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: It is crazy, but you embraced the door like I 255 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: always heard methhan Man say he shunned his sex symbol status. 256 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: Youmbracey, God damn right. Absolutely I loved it. Yeah why not? 257 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: I ain't no shame of mine. 258 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Listen, listen, man, When I grew up, you know, I 259 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: grew up liking the girls, liking you know, you know. 260 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, that was our goal as kids. 261 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: You know, we wasn't like in it to. 262 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 2: Not have them. 263 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't to not have no, like you know, 264 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was running around doing everything, but 265 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: I definitely was looking and it was interested, you know 266 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: what I mean. 267 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: So that's the way I. 268 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: Look at it, you know, I mean, you know, the 269 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: feel strange that this generation may know you more from 270 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: NCIS than your music. 271 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: Actually it's an amazing thing because it's like it just 272 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: it's proof that you could do anything, that you can 273 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: reinvent yourself on so many different levels. And you know, look, 274 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I got two crowds, man, I got two crowds when 275 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: it comes to me, to my audience musically, It's the 276 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: don't call it a comeback crowd who absolutely knows what 277 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: I do, and it's the he raps crowd. 278 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: Right. I'm very aware of both of them. 279 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: I know when somebody's looking at me, they're like, oh, 280 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: he raps it, you know, Oh he hosted, I like 281 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: it shop with, I love it all. It's like, but 282 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: music is my first love, you know what I'm saying, 283 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: Music is my first love. But nah, that doesn't because 284 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: look at the end of the day, saying when you 285 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: hear artists like bitching and moaning and crying and complaining 286 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: about generations. 287 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: Not knowing them It's like, man, make a rack it, 288 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: you know, make some music. 289 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: Then you got a problem with people not knowing you 290 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: for something, then do something about it. 291 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: Make some music. Wanna sit over your crown, ain't gotta know. 292 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: And you know, art, the arts are kind of there 293 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: is a what have you done for me lately? Factor 294 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: that always plays into art as it moves through the 295 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: through through the continuum of time, you know what I'm saying. 296 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be certain generations that are not as 297 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: aware if you're not current and if you don't put 298 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: out current shit. So my job is lokoj is to 299 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: put out a current album and give them a current 300 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: idea of what I think artistically, which will cause them 301 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: to look back at some of the things and go 302 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: dig into Go google my shit and get into my 303 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: older videos and get into my early stuff. They can 304 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: get that history. But you gotta do some new shit. 305 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, no excuses, you can't 306 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, like I said on 307 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: one of my songs, on Passion, I was like, no excuses. 308 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: You better better be easy, ruthless. You know, a bunch 309 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of paper tigers are toothless. You know that Tony Montana 310 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: blueprint is useless. Some people ignore facts that Nigga in 311 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: the Nigga and Scarface fell. 312 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: On the map. 313 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: We just act like we don't see that, you know, 314 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: asking where the weed at eliminating mids when the speakers. 315 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: Get the feedback, you know what I mean? 316 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: Like it's just like you gotta you just gotta step 317 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: into the ship that you do. 318 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 319 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely? You just answer one of my questions. And I 320 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: was gonna ask you about you know something Mefi Man 321 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: recently said after a performance at Summer Jam, and he 322 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: said the generation gap was too wide for him, and 323 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, do you ever feel like 324 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: you need to make you feel the need to make 325 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: music to appeal to this generation. 326 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: No, because you have to. You have to make art 327 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: that's true to you. Okay, you know it's true to you. 328 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't need like for those who understand the reference. 329 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't need the Golden Girls to be acting like 330 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj. 331 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: You know, let's not do that. 332 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Let's just not do that, you know, let's not go 333 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: there with so ill don't need that. I don't need 334 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: to get my little Uzi vert on and ship little 335 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: yachty on for them. 336 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: You know, I gotta be me and they'll they'll find it. 337 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 338 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: Listen, at the end of the day, if I'm sixteen 339 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: years old. 340 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: Or if I'm nineteen, or if I'm twenty, the only way, 341 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: the only way you gonna get my attention is by 342 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: the person playing some shit. And that shit is hot 343 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: to me. None of that other shit matters. 344 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: The only the fuck what you did. I don't care 345 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: how you did it. 346 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't care what you started, what you didn't start 347 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: with you, how you Is that shit hot? If it's 348 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: hot to me, I'm good, I'm in. If it ain't, 349 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm not fucking with it. It's that simple, And that's 350 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that's that's life, you know what I'm saying. So a 351 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: lot of these are like like meth like, you know, 352 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: that's my man. 353 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: I love him. He's super nice. Is flow crazy? 354 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: My thing with him is is that I get what 355 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: he's saying. It was it was the station's job to 356 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of think about that when they were curating it, 357 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: so that it's seamless to help him out. You know 358 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You gotta put the p you gotta 359 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: line the. 360 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: Pieces up right. You know what I'm saying. 361 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: You gotta line them pieces up right because that audience 362 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: could get into their music, but they have to It 363 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: has to be sandwiched the right way and presented the 364 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: right way to give the audience an opportunity to rack 365 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: with them, because this shit is dope. If look if 366 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: Mick Jagger can run around at eighty years old and 367 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: have four generations in his show, like even me with 368 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: my Force Tour, I'm running around. I got three four 369 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: generations in the crowd. But those kids were introduced to 370 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: the music by somebody. It was laid out for them 371 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: a certain way. We did the Grammy fiftieth anniversary. We 372 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: had Glow Riller and Little Baby on the same stage. 373 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Republic Enemy, Run, DMC, and Flash. It's doable. It's all 374 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: about how you do it, you know what I mean. 375 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: It's about execution like anything else, you know what I'm saying. 376 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: Whatever a time you were disheartened by the state of. 377 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Hip hop, well yeah, I would say I would say 378 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: there was a moment when I felt like right before 379 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: I started rock the bells and really started, you know, 380 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: like because people have to realize like this. 381 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: Whole time timeless resurgence that people are feeling. 382 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, that's because I put it on my back 383 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: with Rock the Bells and Rock the Bell's Radio and 384 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: went out there and say, you know, I'm gonna throw festivals, 385 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do things. I'm gonna lift these acts up, 386 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: and those who are open and allow themselves to receive 387 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: the blessing will be lifted up. 388 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: Right. 389 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: So I felt like our music was, our culture was 390 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: being commoditized, you know what I'm saying. I felt like, 391 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, if Mick Jackie can be respected, and if 392 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: Bruce Springstein can be respected, then so can Rock Kim, 393 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: and so can Chuck d and so can you know, 394 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: countless others, Queen Las, you name them. 395 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: And so. 396 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: That was a moment. But I did something about it. See, 397 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in you know, don't talk about it, 398 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: be about it, mint and if you have an issue, 399 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: if you got something that's a problem to you, address 400 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: that shit. 401 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 402 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Dudes, be you know, crying and bitching and morning then 403 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: go home and sleep, you know, get high, smokes wig, 404 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: cross the motor. Next day, get high again, cross the ball. 405 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: It's like, Nah, if you got a problem, do something 406 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: about it. So I did something about it, and I 407 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: think that it really works. It led to all of 408 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: the things you see from you know, you know, draying them, 409 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: all of them rocking and killing the super Bowl to 410 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: all these artists and this research is you see it, 411 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, different artists doing all these things that all 412 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: emanated from that decision that I made with Rock the Bells. 413 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: So again you're welcome, you know what I'm saying. But 414 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: that was the vibe, you know what I mean, Do 415 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: something about it. If you have an issue, and that's 416 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: in life in general. If you find you passionate about 417 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: something or angry or frustrated about something, lean into that shit. 418 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: That's your calling. 419 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: Let's ex found on that because I had a question 420 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: about Rock the Bells. Man, when you look back at 421 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: the version of yourself who recorded the song rock to Bells, 422 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: and now you look at the man you are today 423 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: and the Rock the Bells brand you created that you 424 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: were just talking about the demand in that booth recording 425 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: the song Rock the Bells back in the eighties. Envision 426 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: this hell no, okay, he don't know, Well, what's the 427 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: connection between the two, Like, why did you chose to 428 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: use that song title for this brand above all all 429 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: other songs. 430 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Well, a few, a few times, a few things. It 431 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: was a few things. First of all, you know they 432 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: do back then. He just wanted some new sneak and 433 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: some cars and you know, some jewelry I didn't want. 434 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I was very simple, pretty easy to you know, maybe 435 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: a little red lobster. 436 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: Or something that was fine dining back in the day. 437 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: Though the finest, Yeah, it was the finest. 438 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: They might have been playing hockey with the steak in 439 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: the kitchen, but we felt great about the ship, you 440 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But as far as uh, why 441 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that name, It started off with those guys who originally 442 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: had the Rock the Bells festival. Originally they had they 443 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: took my song. You know, a lot of things come 444 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: for me, like Rock the Vote. 445 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: That was Rock the Bells. You know a lot of 446 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: things come from. 447 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: So so they those guys they had Rock the. 448 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: Bells and then so that was cool. I didn't say nothing. 449 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: I left alone. 450 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: And then then one day they caught me up and 451 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: they offered me, you know, let's just let's just call 452 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: it ten dollars for a show. 453 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: Let's just call it that. 454 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: I ape the perform in the show called Rock the Bells. 455 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when they when that when that when when 456 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: my team told me that I was looking at the phone, 457 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: I said, I want my IP back. It just it 458 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: fucked me up. It was like it just it rubbed 459 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: me wrong, you know what I mean. So I just 460 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: went and took the I P back. 461 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I said, yeah, let me 462 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: get that, and then I said, you know what I mean? 463 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: Then I said, yo, let me you. 464 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: Know, motherfucking fucking out of here. 465 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: So, uh so I I took it back and then 466 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: we started rolling with it. So that's really the real 467 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: reason why it ended up being that. So it could 468 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: have been any song, but that my inspiration came from 469 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: that first first I felt like, yo. 470 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 3: Like listen, it's kind of like. 471 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, like you know, people take kindness for weakness 472 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: and sometimes they take leniency for stupidity. 473 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm being lenient with you. So you think I'm stupid? 474 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean that they're gonna call 475 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: you this. 476 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're really a sucker, Like you know, 477 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: I kind of thought you were, but now yeah, let 478 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: me call you in. So I was like, you know what, 479 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: I took it back. So anyway, I say that to say, 480 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: that's why it ended up being rocked the bells. But 481 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: my desire to lift up those other artists and to 482 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: see them respecting and elevated that came from me, you 483 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and lifting that up, And obviously 484 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: the song was you know my shit, you know, So 485 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: that's what it was. 486 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: It's impossible to talk about you as just the hip 487 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: hop artists in regards the people who have helped the 488 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: culture move forward because of all the success you've had, 489 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, in television and in film. So how important 490 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: was your appearance and Crush Groove to your career launching 491 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: to another level and taking hip hop to another level? 492 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: So Crush grew that the movie. 493 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: The film, it was about Russell's life and run Demse's life, 494 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: and it was hugely important. 495 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: First of all, the only reason there was two things. 496 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: First of all, I overslept for my I Can't Live 497 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: without my radio video because I was hanging out all 498 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: night doing so I had a show. I had a show, 499 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: so I didn't wake up in the morning, so Russell's 500 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: screaming and all that, so the. 501 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: Video didn't happen. Then after that. I wasn't even supposed 502 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: to be in that movie. In the in the movie 503 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: Crush Crew, I was an extra. 504 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: I went down there, my man and Cornell may he 505 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: rest in peace. You tell me yo, go down there 506 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: every day, go down to the set. I'm like, you 507 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: know what, Yeah, you're right, because I'm you know, I 508 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: had left home when I was sixteen. I you know, 509 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: my grandmother didn't understand me pursuing my music. I'm sleeping 510 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: on the train. I'm like, you know, I got my 511 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: green bags on the train. 512 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm riding around trying to figure out what to do next. 513 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: Then I went and so I was going down to 514 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: the set every day because I you know, it was 515 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: either that or stay in the basement with a bunch 516 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: of roaches. I was like, fuck it, let me go 517 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: down there the set every day. So I was going 518 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: down there this set, and one thing left led to another. 519 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm down there, you know what I'm saying, talking this 520 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: and that, and then finally they gave me a little part. 521 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: I was talking that shit and the rest is history. 522 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: It launched me because it, you know, it was like 523 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: having a national video on a national platform, so it 524 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of whatever you can think. Think 525 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: of now as a national platform for your first visual, 526 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: for people to see you first the first time, and 527 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, it blew up from there. The album ended 528 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: up going platinum and you know, good things happened. Absolutely 529 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: it worked out for everybody. 530 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: When you think about movies and music, what's your favorite 531 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: movie project of your career? 532 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: My favorite movie hum probably Into Deep in Deep Blue Sea. 533 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: Loved In Too Deep Classic, I told you that before. Yeah, 534 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: God is very underrated black movie villain. 535 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's like you know you talk about old 536 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: dog Bishop, Oh God? To put God in that oh 537 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: yeah he was, Yeah, it was it was real. Just 538 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: everybody should check that one out Into Deep Yeah, it 539 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: was crazy. 540 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: Now let's get into the album, Spirit of Cyrus. 541 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 4: Right. 542 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: The album's called Force, but the intro Spirit of Sirrus. 543 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: First of all, you know you addressed police brutality out 544 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: the Gate. Who is Cyrus and what inspired you to 545 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: address the injustice cops display the black people right out 546 00:23:59,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: the gate? 547 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so the name of the album is the Force 548 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: is an acronym, right, frequency is a real creative energy 549 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: and Cyrus, you know, I mean people could go into 550 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: history with it. But we were talking really about you know, 551 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: the Warriors and Cyrus and this guy who was trying 552 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: to bring all of these people together and see good 553 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: things happen in his community, even though it was coming 554 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: from him being a gang leader, him being all of 555 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: these different things, and you know, he ended up going out. 556 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: Now, that was a metaphor for the guy that the. 557 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: Story was based on, because I was inspired to write 558 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the song based on a guy named Christopher Dorner. He 559 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: was an LAPD cop who felt like he was being 560 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: a pressed And the reason why I got into the 561 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: song is because when I was doing NCIS it should 562 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: be people at high levels of law enforcement. I had 563 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: some friends at high levels because I did the show 564 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: for so many years. This dude called me up. He's like, yo, 565 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: el or Todd, Yo, what's up. Don't come outside. I'm like, 566 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: don't come outside. 567 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: The fuck that I do? Right, I ain't do nothing. 568 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: He's like, nah, you don't understand. 569 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: And he sent me a picture of Christopher Donna and 570 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: when I saw it, and he said, look, they're looking 571 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: to take this guy dead or alive, and it might 572 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: not be alive, so don't. 573 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 3: Come out because you could be mistaken for him. 574 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: When I saw the picture, I realized how real that was, 575 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: and so I went down the rabbit hole. And then 576 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: I ended up writing a song because I knew that 577 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: there were people that would relate to both sides of 578 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: that story. 579 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, I'm going to write 580 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: this song. And I was inspired. 581 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: Me and me and Tip, Me and Q Tip were 582 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: in the studio and he had all of these wild 583 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: synths and these this track that sounded crazy, and I 584 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: just ended up writing that song and the rest is history. 585 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: But it's a it's a it's true. 586 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: It's based on a true event, and it was inspired 587 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: by true events. And it was you know, a dude 588 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: who just who had had enough and he exploded and 589 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, he was like addressing police brutality, blue on 590 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: blue brutality, like all of it. 591 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: And so I wrote the. 592 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: Song, do you have anybody doing any pushback? 593 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Like no? 594 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: Hell love? That might affect what you got going on 595 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: in Holland would that might affect what you got going 596 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: on in television? 597 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: You can't, you know, say that about the police. Well, 598 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: I got to be true to the art on this one. 599 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: It's not like I was condoning or pushing it away. 600 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: I was just letting be in a channel to the art. 601 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It doesn't invite, it doesn't 602 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: incite a person one way or the other. 603 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 3: It's art. It's like a painting. 604 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: It's up to you to look at it and see 605 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: or hear what you want to hear. You know, obviously, 606 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: I you know, I played law enforcement for years. But 607 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: I've also had bad experiences too as a kid growing up. 608 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: So it's both right, So I think the song addresses both. 609 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, anybody that's honest and 610 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: objective could just listen to it. 611 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: It is what it is, like, It's a song. 612 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 2: How much responsibility to do artists have the address social issues? 613 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: I don't think. 614 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: I don't think that's an artist is an artist is not. 615 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: That's not a prerequisite. That's just like saying, you know, 616 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: when when you know, when Michael Angelo sculpted David, did 617 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: he have a response. 618 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: Ability to deal with men's health? You know what I mean? 619 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: Because they got to do neicked and do standing in 620 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: neked like he's on. Michael Angelo has no addressment, Like 621 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, artists see what people fail to realize is 622 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: creating art that is popular doesn't necessarily mean that you 623 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: have evolved in other areas and are necessarily inspired or 624 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: educated by or in terms of other areas. You know 625 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you gotta let an artist be 626 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: an artists. And if you're gonna have people out there 627 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: who are very socially conscious, who care about this stuff, 628 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: and they will appeal to certain people, but you can't 629 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: just say it's your responsibility. 630 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: That doesn't work because that's not just either. You know 631 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You gotta let people be who they are. 632 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: You know. 633 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: You know that's like you know, like saying, like you know, 634 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: you can't put red in your hair because. 635 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 3: You have people that are triggered by red. 636 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: You can't really live your life like that, you know 637 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: what I mean? 638 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: Son? 639 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: I think artists do should do what they really feel 640 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: for real, like but what they really feel like This 641 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: album is what I really feel like. I wasn't trying 642 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: to go commercial. I'm not trying to like this ship 643 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: is you know what I wanted what I felt inspired 644 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: to make, you know. 645 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: A Saturday Night Special to record with Ross and Fat Joe. 646 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: It sounds like you were dressing people's egos. 647 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: I want I want to know what's the. 648 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: Lesson to be learned in those verses, and did you 649 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: have particular people in mind when you were writing those raps? 650 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: Well if the songs, well, look, the the verses for 651 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: me were definitely archetypes. And you know, you do have 652 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: the dude who's uh, who's greedy and extra sensitive and 653 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: pretends not to be offended when he really is, and 654 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: you have to watch out for that when you're growing 655 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: up or when you're in a boardroom, or when you're 656 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: trying to you know, pass the ball when you you know, 657 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: in law school or whatever it is you pledging. It 658 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: don't matter like you're gonna have people like that. You're 659 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna have the dad devil who has to be the 660 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: center of attention or they're uncomfortable. You have that person 661 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and they have that Ndia spirit in them all. Whatever 662 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: it is that you got to watch out for, you're 663 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: gonna have that. You're gonna have different people. But the 664 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: song is really about integrity, not moral judgment, not saying 665 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: people got to be perfect and shit, but just integrity, 666 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: like saying what you mean and meaning what you say. 667 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: And you know people say standing on business, Well that's 668 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: what it's really about. You know what I'm saying and 669 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: being solid, and so that's what the song really addresses. 670 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: And then what Joe and Rick do is they give 671 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: you examples of different types of characters that say different 672 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: types of things. And so Joe will address it one way, 673 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: and Rick is showing you an example of that type 674 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: of a character. 675 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 676 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: I chose to give you the lessons that are to 677 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: be learned from those characters. 678 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: And that's kind of what the song is. I like 679 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: Black Hold a Lot, Thank you. I think you should 680 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: put that out on June teenth. But you know on 681 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: Black Hole you said the only crossover you respect is Kyrie. Yeah, 682 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: what would you say to people who said you crossed 683 00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: over them? 684 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: I would say they're right, and I would say it happened, 685 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: but it was never intentional. 686 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: It was organic. It was organic. You know what I'm saying. 687 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: It's like kind of like and the reason like you 688 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: look at a Kyrie, or you look at a Jordan, 689 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: or you look at a Lebron. They did cross over, 690 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: but they crossed over doing what they love. They crossed 691 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: over doing what's true to them. They didn't pretend to 692 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: be somebody else. You know what I'm saying they didn't come, 693 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: and you know, Magic didn't come and painted like he 694 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: was Loarry Bird and shit to crossover, it's like he 695 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: was magic, you know what I mean. So that's my thing, 696 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Like my thing is, you got to be true to 697 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: who you are man, you know what I'm saying. Whatever 698 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: that is, you got to stand on that. Be yourself, 699 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, like that old Oscar Wild quote, be yourself. 700 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Everybody else is already taken. That's real shit. So yeah, 701 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: that's that's what I meant, you know what I'm saying. 702 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I did cross over absolutely on thousand percent 703 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: way over like Silphead Ladies in Montana. I love that show, 704 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: but I was doing what I loved, you know what 705 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying for sure. 706 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: And I also liked the song black Hole just because 707 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: it's so black. But I remember I saw you on 708 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: the shop and you were saying, you know, one of 709 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: the reasons you reached out to the Q tip because 710 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: you're working on the album with Dre. You reached out 711 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: the Q tip because you said you really wanted like 712 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: a black, black Black and the black black album. So 713 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: it made me wonder, like, what wasn't Dre giving you 714 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: in terms of Blackness. 715 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, Dre gave me everything. What it 716 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: was was my songwriting wasn't up to Paul when I 717 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: was working with Dre. 718 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: Dre gave me some. 719 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: Dre gave me some tracks and some so we got 720 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: so we got like forty joints. 721 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: It's just my writing. 722 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like my writing was meeting Dre where 723 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: it needed to be, and so before even though I 724 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: did call Tip and got with him, in between that time, 725 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: I was back in the gym working on my jump shot. Okay, 726 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: I was working on my pen game. I was looking 727 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: analyzing my writing. I had to learn how to rap again. 728 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: I had to learn how to rap again. Wow, you 729 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I had to because remember the 730 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: game changes, it shifts, it evolves. So the dribble that 731 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: was fancy, the Tim Hardaway dribble that was fancy at 732 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: one time and he's amazing, it's different from the Kyrie 733 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: dribble that's fancy today. Things evolved, so the same with writing, 734 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: and when you when you're doing hip hop, you have 735 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 1: to respect the evolution of the game. So I had 736 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: to go back and relearn, making sure them couplets were right, 737 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: making sure that wordplay was right, making sure those narratives 738 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: were correct, making sure that I was expressing myself right. 739 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: And once I worked on that in a real serious. 740 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: Way, then I got with Tip and the rest is history, 741 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and we made this amazing body of work that I 742 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: feel really good about. 743 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: So when you revisited to doctor. 744 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: Dre, one hundred percent trade my man's you know, he 745 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: FaceTime me the other day. Man, absolutely, one hundred percent. 746 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I just I just wasn't ready. You know what I'm saying. 747 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: He he always that's my men. You know what I'm saying, 748 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Like he always delivers. It's just I'm not gonna put 749 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: him in a position, you know what I'm saying where 750 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm not all the way there and I'm not giving 751 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: him the best. I'm not taking full advantage of our 752 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: creative relationship, you know what I mean. 753 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: I value our creative relationship. 754 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Too much for me to be writing some some some 755 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: lame shit, some ship that I think is lame and 756 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: it's not meeting you know what I mean. 757 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: How do you get to that level of self awareness, 758 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: the way you can look at your wraps and be like, yo, 759 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: this ship is wack. 760 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: Man. 761 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: I can't see too many people doing that. 762 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a lot of people walking out the 763 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: house and outfits when they need to be doing that ship. 764 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, you gotta like, honey, 765 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: you see that ship right, Like like people like your 766 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: dude walking out he got the camel toe and shit 767 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: like you know, the fucking moose knuckle. 768 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, loose some JESU bro saw yourself you left? 769 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, before I left the house, I was like, yo, ma, 770 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: this is some moose knuckle shit. Let me you know 771 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: this is looking crazy. I'm bending over like my pants 772 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: are ripped. 773 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 2: And anybody that tells you are you just can hear 774 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: it yourself. 775 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: You gotta listen to it. You gotta be honest. 776 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: See, I make two types of projects, you know what 777 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like I said before, I make shit in 778 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: a vacuum where I'm just kind of experimenting for. 779 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 3: Me, and I make cultural albums. I was looking to 780 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: make a cultural album. I wasn't. 781 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get with Dre and do my 782 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: experimental thing, because my experimental thing is never the records 783 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: that are appreciated by the culture. They're never the ones 784 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: that are asked, but they as an artist. They make 785 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: me feel good. So it's really a little weird thing 786 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: I do. And most of the time that's why after 787 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: I do a really really great album, I go do 788 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: some weird shit and that's how I work. That being said, 789 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to make a cultural album this time, so 790 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: I had to be writing. 791 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 2: You got a song called thirty Decemblers. You know, most 792 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: people talk about how many summers they got. You said 793 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: you had thirty Decembers. 794 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was away a long time. I was 795 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: away from New York a long time, and I went 796 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: back during the pandemic. Right. I put the black mask on, 797 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: I got the hoodie on, I got the shades on, 798 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: I got tyms all black. I'm running around like probably 799 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: look like a stick up kid or something, right, Like, 800 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: they don't know what's going on. But I got to 801 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: go everywhere. I was all in the projects. I was 802 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: up in the pink houses. I was places they didn't 803 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: even know it was me. I'm running around in Coney Island, 804 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: you know. 805 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 3: And I filmed that. 806 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: I documented on the ground and I got inspired. So 807 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: I wrote thirty Decembers, you know, being on the subway 808 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: and everything I said in the song, like, you know 809 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The lady sitting next to me don't 810 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: want to move her stuff. She don't want to let 811 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: me sit down, afraid of how I get down. Ain't 812 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: dealing with that shit, now, you know what I mean? 813 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: Like all that stuff I said is really what I 814 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: went through, you know, and it was deep because the 815 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: one thing you forget about in life, you know what 816 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying, When you like, even if you got a 817 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: good job, you forget about danger, you know what I'm saying. 818 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: You forget that danger exists. You forget that there's pissy elevators. 819 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: You forget that there's people sleeping on the floor dodging bullets. 820 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: You forget that there's people swallowing vics because they can't 821 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: go to a hospital or going to the emergency room 822 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: because they don't feel good. You forget about all that shit, 823 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: And that disconnection is part of the reason why artists 824 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: aren't able to really give the people what they want. 825 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: They start rapping about fucking grateful panna. 826 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: Right So so thirty symbol symbolizes the screets in New 827 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: York City and how. 828 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: Long it it been since I really was home for real, 829 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: not visiting the city, not visiting the city in the suv, 830 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: not visiting the city and saying, Yo, I'm from here. 831 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 3: No, that ain't what I'm talking about. 832 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking about really, when's the last time you really 833 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: sat on the fucking council? 834 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 3: Was like this shit smell funny, you know what I mean? 835 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 3: Like this smelled funny in this motherfucker. 836 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: Or when you walk in the hallway and there's so 837 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: many people cooking in the projects, the fucking hallway smells 838 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: like God damn tie Italian Irish soul. Fucking your nose 839 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: is exploding with the fucking all these smells because it's 840 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: all this hooded that. 841 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: Type of shit. 842 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think people are aware, especially I know 843 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: this generation not, and probably just a lot of people 844 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: in the industry. On you came up in a time 845 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: in NYC where rappers was running with real people. Let's 846 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: just leave it at that, real real the hustles, yeah, 847 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 2: the killings, everything. 848 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 849 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 4: Yeah. 850 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 2: What did you take from your time spent on blocks 851 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: and eat flash flat Bush with hustlers like George Chang? 852 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, you know about George Wow stretch my man 853 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: stretched from Brooklyn. 854 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: May he rest in peace. It's so funny. Man. 855 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: I used to go out to Brooklyn with with Stretch 856 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: all the time. He had his Goal one ninety evens 857 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: and like even when I had Rock the Bells. I 858 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: remember I was playing Rock the Bells for a bit 859 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: of car time. Du was like, we pulled up on 860 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: this trew. He's like, yo, it's my man l He 861 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: wanted to know if you think he should make this 862 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: a record. 863 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: He played it for him. 864 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: He was like, yo, shit is hot. 865 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 3: So me and Stress were real cool. 866 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: I really hung a lot with with A Z and 867 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: Rich and I'll poll with those guys because of my 868 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: man Chuck. You know, I used to go uptown, so 869 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: I used to be on one three two all the time. 870 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: And so those are the guys like the paid in 871 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: Full movie, like like like the Paid in Full movie 872 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: guys were my real friends. And I was with him 873 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: every day. So when I did like walking with a 874 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: Panther and you know with the jewelry with the diamonds 875 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: and all that shit, like that's why I was with 876 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: every day. So it was like that definitely rubbed off 877 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: on me in terms of wardrobe, my mindset. I mean, 878 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: even songs like Saturday Night Special it still influences that 879 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: mindset because you learn how to move, you know what 880 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, you learn that if you really, really 881 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: really want to survive in the world. 882 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 3: Don't try to be a tough guy. 883 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: Like that tough guy shit don't really fly because somebody's 884 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: gonna test that shit all day long. You're much better 885 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: off just having manners. I didn't say be soft. I 886 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: didn't say don't defend yourself. I didn't say don't do 887 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: what you got to do if there's a problem. I said, 888 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: don't try to be a tough guy, you know what 889 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that was the thing, like just understanding that. 890 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: And you know, those guys being you know, maybe two 891 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: three years older than me, four years older than were 892 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: just old. 893 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 3: Enough to kind of mentor me. 894 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: So it's like you know, coming out of queens, like 895 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: from age you know, late like sixteen seventeen, like seventeen 896 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: early maybe late sixteen, early seventeen, all the way to 897 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,479 Speaker 1: like early you know, twenties or whatever. I was hanging 898 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: around for as long as they were around. I was 899 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: hanging with these guys and learning the ins and outs 900 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: of life. And it's not just all like crime and 901 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: criminal shit and all that negative shit that people always 902 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: think about, and also life lessons in it about manhood, 903 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and about how to be 904 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: honorable when you're moving around, and how to treat. 905 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 3: People, how to respect people so that you if you see. 906 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: Them again, it's not a problem. You know what I'm saying, 907 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: because you got to see people again. Man, old woman, 908 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: you gonna see them again. 909 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 910 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 911 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: You know the girl would be walking past you while 912 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: you get your ass whip or getting pistolhipped about. That's right, 913 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, catch one of them, man, you know, so 914 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: you you know what I mean, so you learn. 915 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 916 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 2: You're answered a lot of questions before you asking, because 917 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you. Like you know, you see 918 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people in hip hop get caught up 919 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: being too close to individuals in the street. And I 920 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: was watching the Supreme Team doc and you were. 921 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: In the crowd. Oh get that fat Cat Birthday part. 922 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 3: Supreaming them as moment listen, listen, just black justice men. 923 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Bimmy's my men. I was 924 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: running with them because they were closer in age. And 925 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: then prem I knew you know, you know that that 926 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: crew like a lot of them. 927 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: I knew they were a little older, but I knew them. 928 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 2: So how'd you end up not getting caught up in 929 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 2: that like like say a IRV did not you know, 930 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: not throwing them under the bus. 931 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: But just nah, nah, I get it because you know why, 932 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: because I was around enough hustlers my whole life. 933 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 3: To to know that the shit ain't cute, you know 934 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 3: what I mean. See, let me tell you that, like. 935 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: Dudes that are insecure, that becomes like a like a 936 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: like a like a like a security blanket form, you 937 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. If you really understand life and 938 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: you're around enough people, you understand that you need to 939 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: just that's not you don't need to be seen in 940 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: that light. It's not necessary because I really was around it, 941 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: Like so I don't have to inject I don't have 942 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: to make that part of the loll cruise ain't narrative 943 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: because I really did. I was really there, like for real, 944 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the shower for real? Yeah, 945 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: very real. So it's like, you know, like dudes playing 946 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: with guns and dropping them on the floor for a 947 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: purpose just to see how you react. 948 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, you know that kind of ship. 949 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever thought about telling those stories like in 950 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: a movie or I mean I would do a movie. 951 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: I thought about the people asked me that kind of stuff. 952 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: I would you know what I'm saying. 953 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 2: When I hear those stories, they sound unbelievable about the teams. 954 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 3: Like what yeah, yeah, nah, yeah, yeah, you know yo, 955 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 3: I'm listening back. You know, you know two schools of thought. 956 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: There's the guys that really, I want to be cut 957 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: from that cloth, you see me as that, And there's 958 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: the guys like, I'm gonna lay that over there because 959 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, I really smelled them candles, you know what 960 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: I mean, like them candles was? I smelled them for real? 961 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: So I don't need to be you know what I mean. 962 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 3: I'm good. 963 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm good. 964 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 3: Nothing to prove. 965 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: Another record off the album hewe and the chall Yeah again, 966 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 2: you're taking a revolutionary tone. So it made me think, 967 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: would you have rapped like that throughout your career if 968 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 2: it was more I guess profitable. 969 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even take profits in the consideration. See, there's 970 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: a time to create art and as a time for 971 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: commercial consideration. If you painting them Ona Lisa, you don't 972 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: paint it, you know, thinking that you know, I don't 973 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: know something's gonna be trendy one day. 974 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 3: You just painted. I just I didn't. I don't take 975 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 3: that in consideration with this album. I wrote a record 976 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 3: from the heart that I think people of all. 977 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: Colors, ethnicities, cultures will be able to respect because it's 978 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: really coming from my experience of what I've seen or 979 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: what I've witnessed, or what I've envisioned it have it 980 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: came to me. 981 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 3: Whatever I was inspired to write, it's real. 982 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: So it's not trying. I'm not trying to be commercial. 983 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to make something that could touch the world 984 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: in a way that is real from a hip hop standpoint. 985 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I respected his stance. I respected, you know, 986 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: my aunt And this is an interesting thing and I 987 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: didn't know this when I did my DNA and at 988 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: Harvard and they did all this stuff and she's still 989 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: alive when we've talked. My aunt Joan, you know who 990 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: I got reconnected with later in life. She was the 991 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: first female black panther. 992 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 3: Really. 993 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, my aunt Joan, Yeah, my aunt Joe from Oakland. 994 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: She's from Oakland, Joan Lewis. My uncle was John Henry Lewis. 995 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: He's a light heavyweight champion. He's in the Boxing Hall 996 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: of Fame. He's first African American light heavyweight champ. But 997 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: that whole side of my family has some very interesting 998 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: people in me. She plays a violin. She you know, 999 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: she's dope. And that that was, you know, something I 1000 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: learned and discovered. I thought that was quite fascinating, the 1001 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: huge thing. I thought a lot of the things he 1002 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: was trying to do were worthy of respect. Absolutely, so 1003 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: I wrote a song about it. I thought it was 1004 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: it was worth listening to. I think that, you know, 1005 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: as an artist, I would be cheating the world if 1006 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: I didn't write stuff that. 1007 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 3: Was came from my heart and soul. It's never to 1008 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 3: exclude anybody. I don't. 1009 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm not even that. I'm not even built like that. 1010 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: I like everybody like I like people. I'm weird, like 1011 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't have like all of them. You know, I 1012 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: don't judge people. I'm not judgmental. I don't, but I 1013 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: like so, I just wrote something that I thought people 1014 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: would find fascinating. 1015 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 2: But it clearly as a black man, that's always been 1016 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 2: in you. You talk about your you know aunt, who 1017 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 2: was the first black panther, So it's in your DNA. 1018 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 2: So when you used to hear Chuck d Rapp back 1019 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: in the day, did you have any of those that 1020 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 2: you did but maybe never put out? 1021 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 3: I did? I did? I did? 1022 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 2: I did? 1023 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 3: You know? 1024 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: I think I think creative courage it takes time to 1025 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: get to that place. 1026 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: You know, when you have choices, and. 1027 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, quite frankly, you know, you know when you 1028 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: raised to be polite and when you raised with a 1029 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: certain type of manners, there's certain things you just don't 1030 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: say because you don't want to ruffle feathers. And I 1031 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: think that's a natural thing. Though that's not always about 1032 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: That's about how you're brought up. That's about upbringing. That's 1033 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: not really about like even commercial stuff. That's about upbringing. 1034 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: Like you look at Pocket, it's his upbringing that fuel 1035 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 1: that that creative music. It's your upbring So I wasn't 1036 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: really brought up in that kind of household, you know 1037 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was brought up in a household 1038 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: Caribbean and southern, you know what I'm saying. Grandfather from Barbados, 1039 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: So it's a Caribbean influence in the house. 1040 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 3: Working a thousand jobs, washing. 1041 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: Your arms up to your elbows when you come in 1042 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: all that, you know, fixing your own car and shit. 1043 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: And then my grandmother from down south, so I was 1044 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: raised with that Southern Caribbean vibe in my house. 1045 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 3: So that just wasn't what we talked about. So I didn't. 1046 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't as a kid coming up, That's not what 1047 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 3: I wrote about. 1048 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: But as you evolving, as you grow as a human being, 1049 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: and as you discover new things and new ship talk 1050 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: about it. 1051 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 2: Do you have a lot of unreleased music that you 1052 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 2: recorded in like, you know, your early years, and so 1053 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 2: why not? Why not put it up? 1054 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 3: I don't. 1055 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: I think I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 1056 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: But you know they'll have plenty of time to do 1057 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: all that, right, I don't. 1058 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 3: It's not for me here. 1059 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: You wait till you leave. Yeah, hell yeah. They hear 1060 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: that old ship, all that old ship. Yeah, I got 1061 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: the new old ship coming out. Wanna hear that old ship? 1062 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 3: Man? 1063 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: Trying to make some new ship. Let's get it popping, baby, 1064 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: what's happening man? Wanna hear that old ship? 1065 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 2: Man? 1066 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,919 Speaker 3: I don't even care about that ship. 1067 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1068 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 3: Whatever. 1069 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: These dudes, you know, like run around and you know 1070 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: there's dudes right now. I think they're gonna get away 1071 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: with the pro tools and all that. No, you're not mistake, 1072 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna wear your ass out, man. Yeah, we come to 1073 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: get all that. I know you think you got it, 1074 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: you think you slick. You know, a couple of dudes 1075 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: put some sit up on its. I'm gonna tighten you 1076 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: up too. I got something for your ass too. You know, 1077 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: I know you think I forgot. 1078 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 2: You know, I think about I was talking about you 1079 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,720 Speaker 2: in regard the Drake right because the way Drake doesn't 1080 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 2: back down from a rap challenge reminds me of ll 1081 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 2: couj because Drake makes the record for the ladies, but 1082 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: he's also not afraid to mix it up as an MC. 1083 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 2: And you had a lot of those back in the day. 1084 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 2: You had Ice Tea, you had Hamm, a cool modd. 1085 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 2: You know, you got it all of them onto the 1086 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 2: break of dawn. But what happened when you and Iced 1087 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 2: T finally bumped into each other at the Death Jam 1088 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 2: party on Bleak and bro. 1089 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 3: Man, Me and Ice Man, Me and Ice are cool man, 1090 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 1091 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,439 Speaker 1: We bumped at each other, you know, talked a little 1092 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: talk and went back and forth for the low of 1093 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: this and that, but we cool like like I respect 1094 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: Ice like I really do. Ice is a you know 1095 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He's a smart dude. He's very clever, 1096 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 1: very smart. Like, you know what I'm saying. Like, listen, man, 1097 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: I had all kinds of runnings with all kinds of 1098 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: dudes over the years. You know what I'm saying. The 1099 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: bottom line is that it's always better to air on 1100 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: the side of civility, man, instead of putting yourself into 1101 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: some bullshit you don't want to get into. 1102 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 3: So me and Ice we ironed that out. Man. It 1103 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 3: wasn't no you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's 1104 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 3: funny though you brought that shit. 1105 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 2: I know, because I just always wonder how cool it 1106 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 2: heads prevailed. As you said, you you are a real 1107 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 2: figure who ran with real figures. Yeah, Ice Tea's a 1108 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 2: real figure who ran with real figures. But it never 1109 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 2: got to that. 1110 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 3: Level of yeah yeah, well I'll tell you why, because. 1111 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, I've always been a guy that look to 1112 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: avoid problems because I know problems become real problems. And 1113 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: I know how I am, you know what I mean, Like, 1114 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't look for problems, Bro, I don't you know 1115 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I'm just really not built like that. 1116 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: I don't want the problems because I'm not fucked and 1117 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: playing with you, you know what I mean, Like, I 1118 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: don't so I don't want no problems. 1119 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 3: You know what I say. 1120 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying I'd rather us be friends. You know what 1121 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: I mean, because you have to look at me. You 1122 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: gotta look at my career. 1123 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 2: Bro. 1124 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: If I put all my energy into a problem, do 1125 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,959 Speaker 1: you know how crazy it would be? This world would 1126 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 1: be different if I was fucking on the other side 1127 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: of the fence, the whole world. So it's like, I 1128 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: don't even want to go there. You know what I'm saying. 1129 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: I want to keep things positive energy, no problem, no 1130 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,280 Speaker 1: tough fake tough guy bullshit. 1131 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,799 Speaker 3: Respect dudes. Give them love, give them on a see them, 1132 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 3: give them a. 1133 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,800 Speaker 1: Dap, respect them behind their backs, respect them too, not 1134 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,760 Speaker 1: just in their face. 1135 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And just keep it dead, 1136 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And it works for me. 1137 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: That's why I have a lot of friends and a 1138 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: lot of respect in the game. And there's very few people. 1139 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: There's only a few people that you know aren't in 1140 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: love with me, and I understand why. And you know, 1141 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: these things happen, you know what I'm saying. 1142 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 3: But I got good. 1143 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: Relationships because of that, So I'd rather keep it dead 1144 00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: with it, you know what I'm saying. 1145 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 2: You say the rappers of the day, you know about 1146 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 2: the pitfalls of just beef and hip hop now now 1147 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 2: that times have. 1148 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: Changed, But I would say that, you know, I would 1149 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: say that when it's really when it's really just about 1150 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: the music and the bars, like, don't take it so personal, 1151 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,399 Speaker 1: be like, why the fuck are you so butt hurt 1152 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: like that you want to like, you know, kill everything 1153 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: moving because somebody assaulted you on the way. I do 1154 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: get it, but you gotta control that, you know what 1155 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's not like you can't really judge them 1156 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: because I've been there, I know it. It could be upsetting. 1157 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: You know. You see a girl you in you know 1158 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: the record plays you wanna call your girl got you now? 1159 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 3: You want to fight? 1160 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, or she might go you'd be like, yo, 1161 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: this is you know, and she kind kind of gives 1162 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: you the you know, you see that that little you 1163 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: know that you see her mouth do this ship that 1164 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: little shit You're like, now you gotta you know, like 1165 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, you made Drake that not like us. Shit, 1166 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: that's torture for a buffer said little kids, saying that's 1167 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's just bananas. Absolutely, you'd be fine, bro, 1168 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, don't even trip. So my 1169 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: thing is like, that's what I'm saying. So like with 1170 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: the you just don't take it personal, you know what 1171 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean. You can't be overly sensitive, you know what 1172 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Is it true that you and. 1173 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 2: Jay Z once battled in a parking lot in Manhattan 1174 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 2: and you wrapped a verse from Funkadelic Relic and him 1175 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 2: and his team laughed at you. 1176 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's let's talk about it what it really is. 1177 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: First of all, it wasn't a I didn't rap a 1178 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: verse from Funkadelic Relic. 1179 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:33,959 Speaker 3: Okay, that's the first fucking thing that the story it's bullshit, Okay, 1180 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 3: it's not true. 1181 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: What did happen though, is you know, I see you know, 1182 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: see guy you know Ei the club and then trying 1183 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: to you know, flash money to get my attention, and 1184 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking okay, and then this man's sauce came up 1185 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,839 Speaker 1: to me and was rapping. So I had a couple 1186 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: of rhymes. Remember I'm albums in there. You know these 1187 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: are guys that ain't had that deal. So when I 1188 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: have a deal, I had a suitcase and rhymes. Now 1189 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm albums in saw I said some rhymes. I said 1190 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: a couple of rhymes. Then I said a little bit 1191 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: of a song. Ain't no stopping this a little bit? 1192 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: Then J came up wrapped, I was out of rhymes? 1193 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: Me in no, in no scenario that was I like 1194 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: fully loaded and ready to rhyme. 1195 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:11,879 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 1196 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: If I was, you know, I'm not exactly like you know, 1197 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: the first rapper that you really want to get into 1198 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: that ship? You know what I'm saying, Like I wasn't. 1199 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't like, so, yes, did I run out of rhymes? 1200 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: Was I finished rapping? 1201 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 3: A fucking ltely? Was it was? I? 1202 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 2: Was it his? 1203 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,959 Speaker 1: Was it their peanut Gallery? Absolutely? But do you really 1204 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: want to get into some some of that kind of 1205 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: shit with LLLL like you really want that? You know 1206 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, do do dudes really want the problems? 1207 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 3: Or is it just a nice story to have? 1208 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,320 Speaker 1: It's like it's like you know, it's like like like 1209 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: like Floyd taking off the gloves, stepping out the ring 1210 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: and you shadow boxing in front of him, and I 1211 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: caught you. 1212 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,800 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, okay, yeah you caught me. 1213 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: Yo, y'all caught me. 1214 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you saw there was just one of those things. 1215 00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 2: You just weren't as prepared as you. 1216 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared. I ran out of rhymes. They run 1217 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,239 Speaker 3: up this morn You know, he been rapping on the 1218 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,320 Speaker 3: corner for ten years. 1219 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 1: He got fucking a thousand rhymes. I ain't got none. 1220 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm out of rhymes. He raps. 1221 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,160 Speaker 3: Okay, congrats, you got that one. You got that one. 1222 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: But you know, if I was you, I just baked 1223 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: that one and just leave it at that, you know 1224 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,959 Speaker 1: what I mean? Don't like drop nothing? 1225 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,839 Speaker 2: Is that Where the whole jay Z and llll COO 1226 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 2: J got problems came from? 1227 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. I couldn't even tell you, bro. 1228 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 2: There was another rumor that the song Lounging, Your song 1229 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 2: Lounging was about Hole. I mean because at the time 1230 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 2: he was known for the Lexus and you was looking 1231 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 2: at me. He was known for the Lexus and he got. 1232 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,720 Speaker 3: Stocking fucking Lexus, I can't rap about a Lexus. 1233 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: My nigga got stocking Lexus. Hey, I can't mention it Lexuss. Fuck, 1234 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: let's go on. What are we doing here? Like how 1235 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: personally are. 1236 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 3: We gonna take this ship? 1237 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: Bro? 1238 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 3: Like? 1239 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 2: But with any of those balls about. 1240 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:03,840 Speaker 1: Jay No, Like look, okay, So I'll tell you to 1241 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: you like this, if a dude makes a song, right, 1242 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,800 Speaker 1: and I make a contrary a contrasting idea about a 1243 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: similar like in other words, if you say, yo, yo baby, 1244 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm coming upstairs to see you, right, and then I'm like, yo, 1245 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: if I if I said something like if that inspired me, right, 1246 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, let him come upstairs, 1247 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna going around the side or some shit like that. 1248 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,319 Speaker 3: That's not a disrespect bro. 1249 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: Had you had a song, it had some cool ideas, 1250 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: and it I just as an artist, was inspired and 1251 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 1: made some contrasting you know, a contrasting statement about what 1252 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,800 Speaker 1: you were kind of saying in a contra like the 1253 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: contrast of it. It wasn't like I don't even know you, 1254 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,919 Speaker 1: don't I don't know you from a hole in the wall, 1255 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,959 Speaker 1: like at all. I have not like what what could 1256 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: I possibly want from him in nineties, Like, let's think 1257 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: about Night ninety six. 1258 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 3: What do I want with him? 1259 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's brand new? 1260 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 3: What could I possibly want? And so all I did 1261 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 3: was there were songs out. 1262 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: I've made some contrasting statements based. 1263 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 3: On his song and my song like that. There wasn't 1264 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 3: no disrespect. But again that goes back to that sensitivity. 1265 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 3: Be dudes, be sensitive. 1266 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: Man. It's like, dude, like, don't assume the worst? Why 1267 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: are you assuming the worst? Why not assume the best? 1268 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: Why not say yo, yo, let's fuck with something like 1269 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: why does it have to be I'm dissing you? Like 1270 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't dissing that, man. I hain't no reason to 1271 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: dism like for what. Even to today, I don't want 1272 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 1: to disshome for what. I don't want nothing from him, 1273 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,839 Speaker 1: I don't need nothing from him. I'm not looking for nothing. 1274 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 3: But I don't have any problems. 1275 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 2: Like you know, there is that infamous picure of you 1276 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 2: at the awards. You're looking at him when you sizing 1277 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,800 Speaker 2: them up, like yo, I got the rhymes right now now. 1278 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: Now, what it probably is is he was looking at 1279 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: that like at me like that when they caught the shot. 1280 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, that's like that's like the teacher I got 1281 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,279 Speaker 1: you last. It's like a motherfucker look at you, and 1282 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: then you look at him, and then the teacher get 1283 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: out of my classroom. You know, it's like I just 1284 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: got the I got caught. 1285 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 3: You know. 1286 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 2: You know Pick, I'm talking know exactly what you're talking about. 1287 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,800 Speaker 2: Do you remember what you were thinking about in that 1288 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 2: moment exactly? Yeah, I was probably thinking small fucking get 1289 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 2: on my nerves. He's looking at me all crazy, but 1290 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 2: some shit like that, smart fucking get on my nerves. Man, 1291 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,800 Speaker 2: we get a smart fucking and then like a friendly competition, 1292 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 2: because you know, I even think about it had to 1293 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 2: be kind of difficult when he became president of the 1294 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 2: Death Jam because now he's. 1295 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: Wasn't difficult at all. We had a meeting, wasn't difficult. 1296 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: Only thing difficult is or promote my ship. I don't 1297 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,320 Speaker 1: get like, you know, people funny with that, because like 1298 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: you have people that all say, like, yo, hell, that's 1299 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,399 Speaker 1: crazy when they gave this guy a job. But first 1300 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: of all, I don't like talking about people like this. 1301 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, But I just do it because everybody's 1302 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: going to be already around. We already viral any fucking 1303 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 1: with so I'm as well finish. So listen, I'm gonna 1304 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: use it of some Some people who are familiar with 1305 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: this will understand it. When Michael Jackson was on Motown, 1306 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 1: he never wanted to be the president, Bro, I didn't 1307 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: never want to be no president in the death jam 1308 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 1: or do. 1309 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 3: No, I didn't want a job fucking mc fuck. I 1310 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,439 Speaker 3: ain't a couple of people, Yo Russell, give me a job. 1311 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: That's not what I was in it for. 1312 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 3: So No, I didn't and I didn't have begrudge him. 1313 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 3: He had. People have different things that they want to accomplish. 1314 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 3: I celebrate that. 1315 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm happy for him, like seriously, sincerely, Like I'm happy 1316 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: for homie, Like I'm happy that he's doing what he's doing. 1317 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm happy that. Like, even when that happened, I. 1318 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: Didn't have any issue because I had no reason to 1319 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: think that it would be anything negative. And if anything, 1320 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: you have somebody that understands what you do and what 1321 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 1: you go through as an artist who's been through some things. 1322 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: So nah, I didn't feel no kind of way. You know, 1323 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: we met and stuff. I don't really know what that 1324 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: dynamic is about. I really don't like I really don't 1325 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: know what it's about. 1326 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 2: When y'all meant to talk about, you know, the album 1327 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, did y'all have good conversations, y'all bring all 1328 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 2: of this to the forefront. 1329 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: Yea, it was not. We didn't we never you know, 1330 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you're right. Sometimes you got to give the elephant 1331 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 1: rooms some peanuts. 1332 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,280 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We didn't really address it. No, 1333 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 3: we didn't. We didn't. We didn't really address it. 1334 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, I sincerely I like 1335 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: his music. I don't have no issues with them. You 1336 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it is what it is. 1337 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm not. I'm not 1338 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know I'm I'm I'm in LL mode. 1339 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 3: Man. Think about LL cool J. 1340 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 2: When I look at y'all and hip hop, I look 1341 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,920 Speaker 2: at you as Magic Johnson, I look at I look 1342 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 2: at him as Michael Jordan. But you don't get no 1343 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 2: Jordan without Magic. 1344 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 3: I mean that's one way of looking at them. 1345 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 2: Like Magic is literally the top five of all time easily. 1346 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: You know maybe you know maybe, but you know, I 1347 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 1: guess the move. The movie credits ain't roll yet, so 1348 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: we got to see how that how it works out? Yeah? 1349 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 1350 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 2: Would you be open to a friendly a friendly spar 1351 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,800 Speaker 2: what kind of lyrical lyrical damn l lyrics? 1352 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: Did I get excited? Like? 1353 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,479 Speaker 3: What was far you're talking about? 1354 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 2: Cause you know you remember at the Hall of Fame. 1355 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, the Hall of Fame 1356 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 2: of the seventy Maybe was just when they did the 1357 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 2: seventy five NBA inductions and Jordan saw Magic. You're like, 1358 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 2: I crossed you up. 1359 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:21,840 Speaker 1: We can get at it right now, yo, listen man, Yeah, 1360 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, hey, I'm bad. You want to 1361 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: know Broka, you know what I'm saying, Like, okay, okay, 1362 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: you know I wouldn't you know, I would say, let's 1363 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: just all stay focused. 1364 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,439 Speaker 3: You know they don't know. Let's just stay focused, baby, 1365 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 3: don't get distracted. 1366 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 1: You're getting it now. Just leave it alone, just win, Just. 1367 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 3: Do your thing, you know what I'm saying. 1368 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 2: Whatever whatever happened to the e love the brother that 1369 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 2: carried your radio now ear was he's in I think 1370 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 2: he's in Cali. 1371 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm not sure what he's doing. 1372 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 1: We talk occasionally. I had him at the Rock and 1373 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. That was a good vibe, you 1374 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you know, good ship. 1375 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 3: He was a public enemy logo, right, absolutely, yeah, yeah. 1376 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 1: He loved my hype man. That's the public enemy logo. 1377 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: He had had the the bullseye on him and all 1378 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: at the school. Yeah, that's funny, right, A lot of history. 1379 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Bro, correct me if I'm wrong on this too, because 1380 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,400 Speaker 2: you and DJ Scratch y'all made a classic record and 1381 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 2: go and the Goat album. 1382 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 3: We did most he did most of the gold. He 1383 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 3: did most of a lot of it. Yeah, a lot, 1384 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 3: not all of it, a lot of it. 1385 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 2: Why haven't y'all connected more on production? 1386 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Just just time and and going through things like that 1387 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: whole acronym. Like first of all, like I didn't even 1388 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 1: know when I you know, when we came, when I 1389 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 1: came with that, with that album, that it was going 1390 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: to turn the Goat into everything it became then, Like 1391 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,520 Speaker 1: most people don't even know I came up with that ship. 1392 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 1: That's crazy, Like most people do not even know. Yo, 1393 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: this guy really came up with the Goat, that whole 1394 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: concept of being the Goat and went every area of culture. 1395 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,479 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so like that's just you know, you're welcome again. 1396 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Fuck you know what I mean, y'all welcome, you know, 1397 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 1: But it was and I got it from Ah, and 1398 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: I leave saying he was the greatest of all times 1399 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 1: in Earl of Manigat. You know what I'm saying, because 1400 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: me and Bimmy used to about Earl of Manigat being 1401 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: a goat and all that with gold, right, and then 1402 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,919 Speaker 1: I may goat g a t greatest of all times 1403 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: of acronym, and it just kind of bled into society, 1404 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: became this global thing. 1405 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 2: And you often get left out of conversations for an 1406 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 2: acronym that you created. 1407 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Right, But I'm in it if they use an acronym, 1408 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: yeah right, like like so every time you see somebody 1409 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,360 Speaker 1: use that goat the emoji, or they called Tom Brady 1410 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,440 Speaker 1: the gold, or they called Jordan the gold, or they 1411 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 1: call Floyd or Ali or whoever the goat, I'm right there, 1412 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: which is crazy for me because I know I created it. 1413 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: So it's like I'm looking at it like, oh shit, man, 1414 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 1: there's another one. Oh Michael Phelps' is a goat. Oh okay, 1415 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: well done, young man. 1416 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,479 Speaker 2: You know I got a few more questions I was reading, 1417 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,640 Speaker 2: WILLI Smith's book, and he talks about going broke after 1418 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 2: having success in music early on. Did you ever have 1419 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 2: any of those issues. 1420 01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I've had moments in my life where you know, I 1421 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,960 Speaker 1: taxes or had to do things, but no, I've never 1422 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:07,880 Speaker 1: been in that position. I also, you know, I'm a 1423 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: big believe I paid my tithes, you know what I'm saying. So, 1424 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, whatever I get, I get ten percent of God. 1425 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1426 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 3: You know, I you know, I lived my life kind 1427 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 3: of based on certain codes. I'm not. 1428 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: You know, I've never been big on either overspending or oversaving. 1429 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I just kind of let my life flow. 1430 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:28,400 Speaker 3: That's why. 1431 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 4: You know. 1432 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 1: I can get whatever I want whenever I want it, 1433 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty good. 1434 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 3: I'm good with that, actually, very good with that. Yeah, 1435 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 3: you know, so I'm cool. 1436 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 2: Who taught you the business? If anybody. 1437 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Trial and error or trialing ever? You know, man like 1438 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,920 Speaker 1: you learned like you just learned to like. I remember 1439 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: one time I gave my mother eight thousand dollars to 1440 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960 Speaker 1: hold for me, and then I got a check for 1441 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: fifty grand or something like that. 1442 01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 3: It was a little I was a little kid. I 1443 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 3: was maybe sixteen seventeen sixteen something like that. 1444 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 2: And I remember Dan even wrapping that long. Oh yeah, 1445 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,480 Speaker 2: you wrap money for that long? 1446 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, No, it's crazy because I've been a 1447 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,200 Speaker 1: fan since eight nine. I started writing at eleven or twelve. 1448 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: I've been doing this my whole life, right for real. 1449 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: So and I watched that fifty grand God and that 1450 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: eight just stayed there. 1451 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, let's see how this shit goes. 1452 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:27,880 Speaker 3: Like I learned that right there. 1453 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: You just want to save money, save enough always, you know, 1454 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:31,920 Speaker 1: get to make sure you can. 1455 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,560 Speaker 3: You know, you know, you got you know what I mean, Stucky. 1456 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 2: Who are the people in your life that just kept 1457 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,560 Speaker 2: you stables as a human because, like you said, you 1458 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 2: started when you were sixteen years old, so you had 1459 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 2: the industry, you had the streets, like, you had every 1460 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 2: single pitfall that could have happened in front of you. 1461 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 2: But your grew to still be the man that we 1462 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 2: see in today. 1463 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,840 Speaker 1: And you know, my mother, you know, like my mother 1464 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: would get me, like she give me a book with 1465 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of drug addicts and it with heroin addicts, 1466 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,160 Speaker 1: fingers all hands, all blown up sauce. She'd be like, Tod, 1467 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: look at this and I'll be looking at it. She'd 1468 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 1: be like, you know people that do that, they don't 1469 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: have long careers. I'm like, oh, that messed my career. Interesting, 1470 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then my grandmother, you 1471 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it was like initially, you know, 1472 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,560 Speaker 1: coming up, I was raised Catholic. I wasn't even raised 1473 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: in like the traditional Black church as we know it. 1474 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,680 Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic and then ended up getting into 1475 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the more Bible based church faith based churches later, but 1476 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: so so it was you know, all that that Catholicism, man, 1477 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 1: that'll get you like that to have you like being 1478 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 1: real cautious man, like everything's naughty and all that. 1479 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 3: So it was like you just learned to like watch 1480 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 3: your step, you know what I'm saying. 1481 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 2: And you know, like. 1482 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I always like I tell you man, like like I 1483 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: remember one time I was talking to my man, right 1484 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and we was talking about hustling. He was like, well, 1485 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 1: why don'd you come hustle with me? 1486 01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 1487 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,800 Speaker 1: And this is before I went up town and everything, 1488 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, I don't want to do it. 1489 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,800 Speaker 1: He's like why, I said, because I want to be 1490 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: the best. So he said, so what's the problem. I said, well, 1491 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:18,600 Speaker 1: not to kill people. So that's the like. So in 1492 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,160 Speaker 1: other words, what I'm saying is when you think about things, 1493 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,840 Speaker 1: when you do things, you have to think about things. 1494 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you have to really 1495 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: do the knowledge on what it is you're analyzing and 1496 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,760 Speaker 1: what you consider it and whether or not you will 1497 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: And I just say be perfect. I didn't say none 1498 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 1: of that. I just said you have to consider what 1499 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,480 Speaker 1: you're doing and if you if it's worth it to 1500 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: you based on what it is. So that's how so 1501 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,320 Speaker 1: I had a little fun, but like, to be honest 1502 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,640 Speaker 1: with you, with the drugs and all that, like, I 1503 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,480 Speaker 1: don't like my brain feeling like I ain't got no 1504 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 1: breaks on it and shit, I don't like that feeling 1505 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 1: like I don't like walking in the room. I don't 1506 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,840 Speaker 1: know what the fuck's going on. I'm all like, you know, 1507 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't like that feeling. That's why I don't be 1508 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: drinking and smoking and getting high and all that. 1509 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,120 Speaker 3: I never did because of that. 1510 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,880 Speaker 1: I've tried everything, I've tried shit, but I'm never That's 1511 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,880 Speaker 1: why I don't like that feeling. 1512 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 3: You know what, I'm saying, I like to have my 1513 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 3: wits about me. 1514 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,760 Speaker 2: So that's been your key to aging gracefully in the industry, 1515 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of the icons we grew 1516 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,680 Speaker 2: to knowing love they not landing with their planes with 1517 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 2: the wheels out, you know what I mean, a lot 1518 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,160 Speaker 2: of them planes landing in the wheels not coming out. 1519 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 3: Motherfucker. Yeah, the motherfucker's landing on flat time exactly. Roller 1520 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,480 Speaker 3: skate one, roller. 1521 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Skate on the seven forty seventh yo. Yeah, just not 1522 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,840 Speaker 1: getting high and all that. Man, Like, take care of yourself, beat. 1523 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 1: I like to get in the gym, workout train, you 1524 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,959 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I like to read this shit, 1525 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't be sitting 1526 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,960 Speaker 1: around high on motherfucking day. 1527 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 3: Man, Like, what are we doing? 1528 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: Man? 1529 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 3: What's that about? 1530 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,080 Speaker 1: For me? I'm not Look, people could do what they 1531 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,120 Speaker 1: want and I got homies that do that and it's 1532 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: all good. 1533 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 3: I ain't got no problem with it. 1534 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,840 Speaker 2: You know, that's you, you know, But no, you know, 1535 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 2: like I said, you know, we're seeing a lot of 1536 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,080 Speaker 2: people fall from grace, you know, for things that they 1537 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 2: did decades ago. Do you think that you know, landing 1538 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 2: with your wheels out has to be a decision and 1539 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 2: a mindset that you got to be committed to from 1540 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:09,240 Speaker 2: day one. 1541 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Well, you got to put yourself in the best position 1542 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 3: to do that right. 1543 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get lucky, sometimes things just work out, 1544 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,680 Speaker 1: but you know it's better to be you know, prepared 1545 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to land is plan your landing and then if. 1546 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 3: You got to switch it up, you switch it up. 1547 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:22,440 Speaker 4: You know. 1548 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: It's like it's a saying, right, all plans are useless, 1549 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,720 Speaker 1: but planning is essential, you know what I'm saying. So 1550 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,000 Speaker 1: it's like, if you got a plan, it ain't gonna 1551 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: go as planned. But if you got a plan, then 1552 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: you got a place to pivot from, you know what 1553 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean. It's like having a map. If you got 1554 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,000 Speaker 1: a map, you know, and your plan is to go 1555 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: that way, even if you got to switch, you got 1556 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:45,840 Speaker 1: a map. 1557 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 3: So you can go that way. 1558 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 2: Makes sense? That makes sense. You know. Last year was 1559 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop. This year is the 1560 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 2: fortieth anniversary of Death Jam and. 1561 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 3: Me right the first artist. 1562 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 2: So you know, with all the controversies surrounding Russell Simmons, 1563 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,080 Speaker 2: does that impact how these things can be properly celebrated? 1564 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,439 Speaker 2: How these stories can be properly told. 1565 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I don't think one thing 1566 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the other one. You know, 1567 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:24,120 Speaker 1: if we found out that Galileo was doing some crazy shit, 1568 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:29,680 Speaker 1: should we do away with astronomy and telescopes and shit? Like, 1569 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: if we found out that, I don't know. 1570 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 2: You name it, you still got to tell the story. 1571 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:38,760 Speaker 1: I mean like it's just like like like it's really 1572 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: kind of like people like. Look, first of all, I 1573 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,720 Speaker 1: don't like to judge people because I wasn't there. 1574 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 3: That's the first thing. I also don't be little. 1575 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,479 Speaker 1: I don't try to never make light of anything that 1576 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,720 Speaker 1: anybody's been through in terms of victims that I'm not 1577 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 1: with that either. 1578 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 3: I don't play the games. 1579 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,719 Speaker 1: What I will say is, you're living in let's say, whoever, 1580 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,360 Speaker 1: you're living in an apartment building and you found out 1581 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,680 Speaker 1: that the builder of that apartment building had did some 1582 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,840 Speaker 1: really really bad things. Should you break your lease and 1583 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: move out? Should we demolish that building and redo it? 1584 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Have somebody a perfect hand building. 1585 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1586 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't even know the answer, But what I say 1587 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,880 Speaker 1: to people is you got to look at these. 1588 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 3: Things when you think about stuff. One thing is one thing, 1589 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,720 Speaker 3: this is another, you know what I mean. 1590 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,799 Speaker 2: And even if you remove the person out of the building, 1591 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,960 Speaker 2: you still have to tell the story of the person 1592 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 2: building that building. 1593 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,640 Speaker 1: But you still tell the story of the building. So 1594 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, let's take history, world history for example. 1595 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: It's probably been a couple of people that have done 1596 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,720 Speaker 1: some good things and bad things. So do we eliminate 1597 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: all of the good because of the bad? Do we 1598 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,599 Speaker 1: throw away the good because of the bad deed? 1599 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 3: That's the question. 1600 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,920 Speaker 2: We live in a country that was built on bad deed, I'm. 1601 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Saying, so do we like like like, like are you 1602 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,519 Speaker 1: are you prepared to give up your passport because of 1603 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: what was done to the indigenous people in this country? 1604 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Right like this, you gotta look, you gotta be real 1605 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,439 Speaker 1: and I'm not and it ain't none of it good. 1606 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying don't make light of it by 1607 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,439 Speaker 1: no means, I'm not on that bullshit, But I'm just saying, like, 1608 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:22,719 Speaker 1: we gotta be realistic. 1609 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 3: Man, the dude built you know, he put together this company. 1610 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,680 Speaker 2: He did so even if he's not celebrated, you still 1611 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 2: got to tell. 1612 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,200 Speaker 1: You, yeah, you may not celebrate his actions in that 1613 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,439 Speaker 1: particular area. But you can't say that he didn't do 1614 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,760 Speaker 1: something right, right. I'm just saying like, it's no way 1615 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,280 Speaker 1: around that, because if not, we have to erase all 1616 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,360 Speaker 1: of world's history because to find a perfect person that 1617 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,799 Speaker 1: did good things and nothing bad? Does that even exist? 1618 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,960 Speaker 1: Does it exist in your household? What was grandma doing? 1619 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Was grandma freaking off? Was grandma freaking off? 1620 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:00,479 Speaker 3: Speak? 1621 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,760 Speaker 1: Should we never did grandma illegally take money and do 1622 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,679 Speaker 1: the nasty nasty and take some money back in the sixties, 1623 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,080 Speaker 1: and now she making Thanksgiving? And we are we fouled 1624 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,120 Speaker 1: for eating this stuff? And right now because Grandma shot 1625 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: bucking the ass with the twenty two round the corner. 1626 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1627 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure those conversations that came up for you though, 1628 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,519 Speaker 2: right like people have asked like are you gonna have 1629 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,000 Speaker 2: him here? 1630 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: No, Honestly, nobody is really asked, And I'm glad you 1631 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,920 Speaker 1: did ask because I just think that none of us 1632 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: are perfect, right, and none of us should make light 1633 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,880 Speaker 1: of any victim and anything they go through. 1634 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 3: Ever, we have to look at the world and things 1635 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,000 Speaker 3: on a case by case. 1636 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,840 Speaker 1: Basis, because if you're not gonna look at it on 1637 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: a case ba case by case basis. 1638 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what we're gonna do because nobody gonna 1639 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:51,400 Speaker 3: do shit. 1640 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 1: Because if everybody had a goddamn you know, a Wikipedia 1641 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,600 Speaker 1: on a TV screen above their head with all of 1642 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,360 Speaker 1: the foul shit they did, we'd be walking around this motherfucker. Man, Man, Man, 1643 01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,000 Speaker 1: what what? 1644 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't hurt a fly? 1645 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you wouldn't, but you out there chopping 1646 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,240 Speaker 1: chickens heads off every five minutes. I wouldn't hurt a fly. Yeah. 1647 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 3: I know you're telling the truth. 1648 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,720 Speaker 1: But I'll kill a chicken. I'll kill a chicken, you 1649 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like everybody like people, you know people. 1650 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Nobody's perfect with that stuff. Man. 1651 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 3: So that's the way I look at it. Man, you 1652 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 3: know what I Man? 1653 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,960 Speaker 2: Did you feel away when President Biden got your name 1654 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,120 Speaker 2: wrong at the CBC conference? He called you l J 1655 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 2: cool Jay? Then he referred to you as a boy 1656 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,200 Speaker 2: before correcting himself and saying, man, did you get nah? 1657 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know what else supposed to do? 1658 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:44,320 Speaker 1: Man? 1659 01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,280 Speaker 3: Like I'm a mine? 1660 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Man, God, drmit, you know like I was supposed to 1661 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 1: do due eighty years olds live man, listen, I got 1662 01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,400 Speaker 1: ship to do. Man, The last thing I got to work. 1663 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you something. When you at 1664 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 1: the point where the president messing up your name is 1665 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,360 Speaker 1: a national story, she was a bad motherfucker. 1666 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,560 Speaker 3: You're a bad motherfucker. 1667 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,000 Speaker 1: At that point, Yo, when the president messing up your 1668 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 1: name is national news. 1669 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,400 Speaker 3: He did something right. 1670 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 1: So I'm going I'm gonna just be like, I'm just gonna, 1671 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, wish them all the best, bro, I wish 1672 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:21,439 Speaker 1: them good health. 1673 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 3: And that's it. Man. 1674 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 2: I can't you ever been approached by doing the chapstick line. 1675 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,519 Speaker 1: Well, I met with them a long time ago, but 1676 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,559 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I think you know a lot 1677 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:33,280 Speaker 1: of Melani man. 1678 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not. 1679 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,519 Speaker 1: That's a lot of Melani man, A lot of Melanin 1680 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: on them lips, man, that sits like hoof, you know, 1681 01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 1: a little Bonnie Man, get a low. 1682 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,200 Speaker 3: To ll and all that that shit. 1683 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hell. That's why I want you back, 1684 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,439 Speaker 1: because I'm saying back then, you know, yeah, That's. 1685 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,719 Speaker 2: Why I want people to listen to the new album 1686 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 2: because you know, even with all the success you've had, 1687 01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of doors that have been closed 1688 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,960 Speaker 2: to you because of your black well. 1689 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,599 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, but there's a lot of doors that opened, right. See, 1690 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,439 Speaker 1: life is we know what we're dealing with in the 1691 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,360 Speaker 1: world in America. 1692 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 3: But you can't. I can't allow myself to get kind 1693 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,599 Speaker 3: of caught up in that shit. You know what I'm saying. 1694 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,719 Speaker 3: We know what's true. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. 1695 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,720 Speaker 2: But my thing is. 1696 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,760 Speaker 1: When the elevated doors close, take the steps, you know 1697 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 1698 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 3: Like, I'm not tripping off of that. 1699 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,439 Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna walk around overly sensitive with a 1700 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,840 Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder about what I'm not getting. I'm 1701 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,479 Speaker 1: too busy thinking about what I am getting, and so 1702 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the most of what I do get. 1703 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,000 Speaker 1: So if you you know, if you do not let's 1704 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,160 Speaker 1: just say, for instance, if somebody wanted to deny me 1705 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,560 Speaker 1: an orange because I'm a black man, Okay, but I 1706 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,439 Speaker 1: bet you I'm gonna give me nine thousand peaches up 1707 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,160 Speaker 1: this motherfucker. 1708 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. That's how you do it. 1709 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You go get it, like 1710 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: you can't be caught up in that because that misery 1711 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,240 Speaker 1: and that and that that that woe was me mentality, 1712 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: that victim mentality. 1713 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 3: That's not successful. I'm about being successful. You know what 1714 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,160 Speaker 3: I'm saying, what. 1715 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,719 Speaker 2: Does success look like for you? In regard to the Force. 1716 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 3: Album impacting the culture? 1717 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 1: People getting a full load of the Force album, it 1718 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,479 Speaker 1: really impacted the culture in a major way with sales, 1719 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,560 Speaker 1: with airplay. 1720 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,760 Speaker 3: With streams, people really feeling it and. 1721 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Embracing it and loving it and saying, Wow, I didn't 1722 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 1: know that an artist that came maybe two, three, four 1723 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,160 Speaker 1: generations before me, I didn't even know that I would 1724 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,960 Speaker 1: even be remotely interested in hearing his music, But Wow, 1725 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,559 Speaker 1: this shit really moved me. And then on the flip 1726 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,000 Speaker 1: side of that, it's the day one fan saying, damn, 1727 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I really thought that, Like because you know the guy 1728 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,760 Speaker 1: I went to high school where there's a bus driver 1729 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,400 Speaker 1: now and his stomach is to his knees, that L 1730 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,439 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be able to do it. Nah, Now we 1731 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 1: can't do it. You can't continue to be great and 1732 01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: perform at a high level. 1733 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,600 Speaker 3: But you just got to be on it like that. 1734 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,800 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. What cloth are you cut from? 1735 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Are you cut from the surrender cloth or you cut 1736 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,839 Speaker 1: from the conquer cloth? You got to make those decisions, 1737 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's what I want, 1738 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like touch the world with 1739 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: that shit and let people know, like, Yo, this dude 1740 01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,639 Speaker 1: is this guy's real, This shit is real. 1741 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,800 Speaker 3: This is a different thing. 1742 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: This dude is different because he really executes the shit 1743 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,080 Speaker 1: he says like, you know, this ain't raising in the sunbeam. 1744 01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the shit all day and 1745 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,479 Speaker 1: you know, and they're never doing it. 1746 01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,559 Speaker 2: Would the music be enough to tell the ll cool 1747 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:35,120 Speaker 2: J story? 1748 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I'm way too multifaceted for that. There's 1749 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,680 Speaker 1: too many dimensions to my character. But it definitely will 1750 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,840 Speaker 1: tell the artistic stories that I've been looking to put forth, 1751 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,519 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And it'll tell people where 1752 01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,640 Speaker 1: I was at when I created that music and what 1753 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,760 Speaker 1: I felt was important, what I was inspired by, and 1754 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: hopefully you can find inspiration in my inspiration. You know 1755 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:04,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, you know, you know, it's 1756 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,960 Speaker 1: like having sex. Man, you know what I'm saying. You 1757 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 1: got to be in the moment. You got to be 1758 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,919 Speaker 1: self aware. You got to know when to be aggressive, 1759 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,840 Speaker 1: you gotta know when to be calm. You know what 1760 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta know when to turn it up. 1761 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,800 Speaker 1: You gotta know when to turn it down. You gotta 1762 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,040 Speaker 1: know when to be nice. You know, you gotta know 1763 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 1: when to not be not so nice. 1764 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 3: That's life. You know what I'm saying. So that's what 1765 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,160 Speaker 3: it is. You know what I'm saying. That's how I'm 1766 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:27,160 Speaker 3: doing it. You know what I'm saying. 1767 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,160 Speaker 2: I love cool Jake. 1768 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:28,479 Speaker 3: Man. 1769 01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,519 Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother, love you for the time. 1770 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,160 Speaker 3: Man, mister, appreciate you.