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Speaker 2: And enough is enough. We're proposing not to pay taxes

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Speaker 1: There's nothing on the books yet, but the full Council

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Speaker 1: may need to consider a tax to Firman initiative for

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Speaker 3: Wherever you're listening, from coast to coast, Alaska and Hawaii

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Speaker 3: forty seven in the state of kelun A Cornea passed

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Speaker 3: according to the excellent Katie Grimes in California Globe by

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Speaker 3: tragically misinformed voters. In twenty fourteen, freight flagrantly titled these

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Speaker 3: Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act by then Attorney General Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: I didn't remember that. That's what it was called WOW.

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Speaker 3: Which reduced a host of serious felonies to misdemeanors, including

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Speaker 2: It has been a cataclysmic disaster.

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Speaker 4: So what was it called the Safe Neighborhoods Act or whatever?

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Speaker 3: He's now a very popular and enjoyable radio host in

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Speaker 2: Sheriff John McGinnis, John, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 5: Very well, gentlemen, great to be with you. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember how they spun it to get people

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Speaker 5: I can't come up with anything better. Jack, that's good.

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Speaker 2: What's it? What's it going to do? What are the

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Speaker 5: Three hundred and sixty five misdemeanors they're subject to, they're

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Speaker 5: Great not it's incredible. You know, law of biting people

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Speaker 5: it really I think it adversely impacts everybody, the business community,

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Speaker 3: you mentioned it reclassified theft with two or more prior

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you can go ahead and aggregate those those

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Speaker 3: thefts and charge felonies. I know it adds fentanyl to

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Speaker 2: That's good. How many people would have to die before

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Speaker 4: Do you have any idea what the polling is on this,

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Speaker 4: the likelihood people agree it needs to be reformed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this polls very favorably. In fact, when it's called

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Speaker 5: six thousand signatures to put this on the November ballot.

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Speaker 5: We're knocking on that number right now, but understanding the

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Speaker 2: So that's the right now, and you're having an event.

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Speaker 5: You can get out and say hi and socialize whatever

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Speaker 4: Whenever these things don't pass, the things that I want

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Speaker 5: Well, I anticipate that the legislature will try to create

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Speaker 5: to the for a vote of the public. It will

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Speaker 5: it will look very attractive.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 5: They've also promised that they're going to fix this. They're

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Speaker 5: of a mind to. This was created by the voters.

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Speaker 5: The voters that were lied to, absolutely lied to and duped,

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Speaker 5: but the voters approved it nonetheless, So it takes the

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Speaker 5: voters to change it. And there's language in Proposition forty

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Speaker 5: seven that says just that paraphrasing, nothing in this can

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Speaker 5: be changed unless it's in furtherance of the spirit of Prop.

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Speaker 5: Forty seven. So to some of these changes without a

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Speaker 5: they know that.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 3: We love that you're fighting against this and leading the

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Speaker 3: charge and will certainly help any way we can. Michael,

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Speaker 3: our favorite new co Amla Harris clip, the one we've

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Speaker 3: been using lately. I think she really summons up how

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Speaker 3: important it is to sign this petition. Do you have

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Speaker 3: that handy Nope, he's got the oh my god, where

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Speaker 3: is it look on his face.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to hear it. Yeah and again. Remember she

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Speaker 5: was the Attorney general to say to California that gave

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Speaker 5: this the summary entitle that it had. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your time. We'll keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on it. John McGinnis, Saco County.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, John, Thanks, Armstrong and Getty