1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: one thirty two. The search is still on tonight for 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: three year old Mariah Woods. The girl was last seen 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: by her mother her home in On's locality. The mother 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: tells me she last saw her daughter in the home 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: at around eleven PM when she checked on her. This 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: is my world, this is my angel. She said. Her 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend saw the taller around midnight when he got up, 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: and she says he told her to go back to bed. 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Remains believed to be the little girl were discovered along 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: the highway. Now there's an arrest thirty two year old 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Earl Camry, Mariah's mother's boyfriend. No one is charged with 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: causing her death. Henry's charges only include concealing a death, 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: an obstruction of justice. More charges likely to follow and 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: maybe others charged. We are not ruling anything up. I 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: will never forget the search for a little Maria Woods 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: who apparently goes missing from her home HM as her 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: mom and boyfriend are asleep. The three year old was 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. In the last hours. We obtain 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: the nine one one call listen that's telling is after 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: what happened. She already nowhere to be said. We would 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: look everywhere at our house and out in our yard, 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: and our little girl or a little girl, she s, okay, 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: how she s she's three years old. Okay, so let 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: me get some information if I'm you okay, gets ril alright? 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: The one was the last time you've seen her? Who said, 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: looks like everyone's were worked to bear street talks at 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: What time is that, sir? Maybe they's qualite a thirty? 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's get this up from MYSI are you 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: look in the bedroom, under the bed and everywhere, so 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: not able to rooms close. It's under every everyone looked out, 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: scrout the cops out here in the yard. It's all 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: I herd to do is to go outside at all, 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: but not in the middle of night or any in 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: the morning by herself. Yeah, that she have a physical 36 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: medical I'm methically joining you, viola. She has most, she 37 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: has most to your destroy. Uh, Paul says she got 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: water ship the otherwise she profically able. Okay, joining me 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: right now. In addition to Joe Scott Morgan of Jacksonville 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: State University, Karen Stark, New York psychologist and renowned l 41 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: A defense attorney, Troy Slayton is investigative reporter with the 42 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Daily News. Mike Mhugh, Mike, tell me the latest. First, 43 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. And now what do 44 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: we know in the disappearance of Mariah. What we know 45 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: now is that at am on November Earl Chimray made 46 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: a call to the Ansel County Emergency Center stating that 47 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: the little girl who lived in his trailer, uh Mariah Woods, 48 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: is missing. And we listened to a nine one one 49 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: call that it goes for more than six minutes, and 50 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: we hear Mr Kimry speaking and he sounds as if 51 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: he's very winded as he's talking to the operator who's 52 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: trying to ascertain what exactly is going on out at 53 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Dawson Cabin Road. And he repeats repeatedly that we've searched, 54 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: that we've searched the inside of the house several times 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: and the yard itself, and we cannot find our little 56 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: girl is missing. You know, it just it just turns 57 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: my stomach to hear it. Make you because we know 58 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: that police say he boyfriend, Earl him Ray, the second 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: new very well where Mariah was at that at that time, 60 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: that she was dead. And lying face down in a 61 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: creek a couple of miles from home. She couldn't possibly 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: have gotten there on her own. And you hear and 63 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: then I'm only call he says, quote, they've looked everywhere 64 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: for her, and they've checked in the house quote two 65 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: or three times, and the yard. You can hear him saying, 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: our three year old is nowhere to be found. We've 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: looked everywhere in our house and out in our yard, 68 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: and our little girl she's missing. Right now, Mike mcq, 69 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo of Maria and this is 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: the one I will forever associate with her. And a 71 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: pink dress up dress, fluffy dress and little fake drop earrings, 72 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: her hair pulled back with a pink t yard and 73 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: a bow on it like from a package, a big 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: pink bow. And she has her baby doll dressed in 75 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: pink with a pink headband, and she's feeding the baby 76 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: doll with a pink bottle. This is how I think 77 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: Mariah woulds I don't want to think of her face 78 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: down in a great dead And now the nine one 79 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: one call emerges. I mean the depth of deception, Mike McHugh. Yeah, 80 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: and let me expand on what you just said there there. 81 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Nancy too that this this is the area in which 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: Mariah was founded, was not just around the corner from 83 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: their home. It was twenty one miles from their home. 84 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: And the only source of transportation in this family had 85 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: was van, which was later seized on their search warrant. Uh. 86 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Mr Kimry sounds very h exhausted, UM, and very excited 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: in that nine one one tape. And like you said, 88 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: knowing now what we do know, UM, he had a 89 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: very busy Uh. It sounds as though he had allegedly 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: a very dizzy morning late evening on the seven in November, 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: because that's where the body was was taken down the 92 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Shaw Highway in Pender County, the neighboring county from Onslo County. Um, 93 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: you talk about all of the uh, the the images 94 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: you see there and describe it in the pink color. 95 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: Are looking at the items that were sived from the house. 96 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: We see a pink the jama, we see a pink blanket, 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: We see pink and blue pillows, we see pink ft 98 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: and Mariah's favorite color obviously was pink. You know when 99 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: you say that, it just it just kills me because um, Troy, Karen, 100 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. You know my my children there now ten, 101 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: and I remember Lucy's favorite color I think was pink, 102 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: but she insisted that was purple, so she could be different, 103 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: and everything was pink and purple. Joe Scott, Morgan, you 104 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: have seen so many dead bodies, and that includes the 105 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: bodies of children, as have I. And to hear Mike 106 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Mhugh talking about her favorite color. And now she's in 107 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: a coffin and we're looking at a death penalty trial. 108 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how are they going to prove it? Well, 109 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: one of the big things here Nancy is gonna be 110 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: toxicology in this particular case, because they've they've listed this 111 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: as as uh as she had toxic levels of of 112 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: chloroform in her system. And as you know, and maybe 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: some of our listeners don't, when we do when we 114 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: draw blood in the morgue, we do a standard panel 115 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: for things that we look for. Chloroform form is not 116 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: one of them. Uh So I think that the police 117 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: are going to have a tremendous amount of evidence physical 118 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: evidence they recovered at the scene, uh evidence of chloroform 119 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: or the ability to make chloroform. Uh. It probably made 120 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: them scratch their heads in the beginning, and then when 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: they couple that with what they saw at autopsy and 122 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: these chemical tests this little girl suffered. Nancy, it's a 123 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: horrible way to die. UM. It's a neurotoxin UM. And 124 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: in addition to that, it caused her, uh, it caused 125 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: her liver to go into acute failure. And this is 126 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: a horrible way to die. We're talking about vomiting, severe headaches, UM, 127 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: probably seizures as well. At the depth of depravity here. Uh, 128 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: that that this this guy engaged in with this little 129 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: girl and other things that have come up in the 130 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: past that we've talked about with her. UM. I think 131 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: that they're not going to have a real hard time 132 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: in court with this, you know, just listening to him speak, 133 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Mike McHugh, it is now definitely going to be a 134 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: death penalty prosecution. Is that correct? Absolutely? Um. We had 135 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: a Rule twenty four hearing on Monday this week, and 136 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: in that, District Attorney Ernie Lee Um told the court 137 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: that his office was pursuing this as a capital case. 138 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: In North Carolina, the district attorneys have eleven aggravating circumstances 139 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: from which the shoes Uh, to go forward with a 140 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: capital case. Uh, there by statute um, and I'm looking 141 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: at it right now, and uh on the number nine 142 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: is murder that was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel. That's 143 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: how it's written. And I think this case, given what 144 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: we know so far, um, would fit that criteria. Uh. 145 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: District Attorney Ernie Lee has been doing this. Uh. He's 146 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: been a prosecutor for thirty one years, eight of which 147 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: as the elected officialist district attorney. He's handled eight capital 148 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: cases and he's come away with four death sentences in 149 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: his tenure as prosecutor. So this is not his first 150 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: time around around the block. And Mike, for those of 151 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: us who are not lawyers or journalists in North Carolina, 152 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: in that state, a rule twenty four hearing is before 153 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I judge in the first degree murder case where the 154 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: state will say if it's seeking the death penalty. And 155 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: in this case they said yes absolutely, um, and they 156 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: are moving fast on this. Uh. This you know. Kimrie 157 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: was arrested on was charged on January with the murder, 158 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: and he went his case went before the grand jury 159 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: on February thirteen, and a day or so later, Mr 160 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Lee came out telling in a press release that he 161 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: was seeking the death penaltiness. This is moving very quickly. 162 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Kimrie will be back in court on April um where 163 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: council will be there, just to make sure that everybody 164 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: is on board and moving forward. There's talk um in 165 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: the court and on the street, um with other people 166 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: close to the case, that perhaps the venue change is 167 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: in store because of all the publicity that this case 168 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: has garnered thus far. But people are are are talking about. 169 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: We had a press conference with the sheriff, Sheriff Hans 170 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Miller after the hearing, and he said that quote, um, 171 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: the case is now in the judicial world. Um, let 172 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: the attorney's battle out there. But then he went on 173 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: to say that this is an ongoing investigation, leaving the 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: door open for possible future charges. And that's always thing 175 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: that everybody has been talking about. What will happen with 176 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Christie Wood, Mariah's mother. Will she be charged in any way? 177 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that was my very next question. 178 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: Did the mother, little Mariah's mother know what was going 179 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: on in that home? According to Maria's biological father, she did, 180 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: is that true? Listen to her mother begging for Mariah, 181 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: her three year old little girls returned. Please bring her 182 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: back and I love her. Do anything that I can't, 183 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: whatever you want. Sprag her home, Please save the sound. 184 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: She's my baby, She's by everything. What does she means 185 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: to you and your family in this community? She's like 186 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: an angel. I have my twoths tied and burnt on 187 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: each side. I felt out I was pregnant with her, 188 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: so we call her our little angel. She's got the 189 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: personality of make you laugh. She's goofy, outgoing, talkative. She 190 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: knows how to make your day brighter. A lot to 191 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: this community and people that are here looking for her 192 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: love her to death. What would it means for you 193 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: to see her face again? Everything in the world, just 194 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: to be able to touch her and hold her, not 195 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: let her go again? Do I give anything? Tack Donsla 196 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: County Sheriff Department, please and let us know. And if 197 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: whoever has her, please, I'm begging you bring her home 198 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: safe to choice. Lton l a defense attorney joining us. 199 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: Do you predict charges on Mariah's mother or will she 200 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: be held as a witness for the prosecution in a 201 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: death penalty gas against her boyfriend? Nancy? First, let me 202 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: say that my my heart breaks for the family of 203 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: this little girl and everybody involved, whether the death penalty 204 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: is sought against him, whether charges are brought against the mother, 205 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: this is a tragedy. But as far as the mother, 206 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: the prosecutor knows what they know at this point, and 207 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: they may very well, for tactical reasons, be waiting to 208 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: charge her in order to try and get information from 209 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: her to help with their main prosecution, which is the 210 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: death penalty case against this guy. And it seems to 211 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: me that with regard to the death penalty, his defense 212 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: attorneys are going to be trying to save his life, 213 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: and once the death penalty is on the table, the 214 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: whole shift in focus in the defense case becomes trying 215 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: to save the person's life. Well, speaking of the biological father, 216 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Alex Woods, this is what he tells me. This was 217 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: just after his little girl's body had been found. Have 218 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: they told you how they think she was killed? Alex, No, 219 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: not yet. They as soon as they found her body, 220 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: they rushed Greenville, North Carolina. Well, they was gonna perform 221 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: the autopsy and I'll find out further information on how, when, why, not? Why? 222 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: But how and when and all that information, Alex, do 223 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: they believe that Mariah was molested. I have not. I 224 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: do not know that me. They can I have, yes, 225 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: I think so. I hope and pray, not just for 226 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: the peace of mind, but I think so. Yes. I 227 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: have not heard that from nobody, because you know, they 228 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: now just doing the autopsics. So I don't know alex 229 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: was she clothed when she was found. I had no idea. 230 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: They did not tell me. 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Therefore, that would 265 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: make this case a capital case police say boyfriend Earl Kimri. 266 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: The second needs very well Mariah was dead? Listen all right, 267 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: so I need a discussion of what racist see three 268 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: board wrong the poke o? You know? How about well? Okay? 269 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: Does he have any characteristic want to says like ours, 270 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: our birth market? Anything? Who less? Okay? And what kind 271 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: of the day did you put a hands? What color 272 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: they were pink? Yeah? Okay? In her name her name 273 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: her name was more Ria, Maria would last name? Would? Okay? 274 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: All right? Son? Who was the last part that? Have 275 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: you seen how it was the last part? Me and 276 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: my me and my girlfriend put her put her to 277 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: bed where when we came in and we came this 278 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: from a trip last night and everybody went to there 279 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: like eight thirty year eight were on that comdant here 280 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: for sure because we're usually gonna be in the seventh already. 281 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: But we're coming home from a vacation. Okay, And do 282 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: you know anyway that she might go at all a 283 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: neighbors or anywhere you know we're going. We haven't real 284 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: a very long. We don't have any any neighbors that 285 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: are are friendly. Okay, she's been missing before then, yeah, Okay, 286 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: they just see any personal I was taking, like that 287 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: blanket or a teddy bed she might have, you said, 288 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: You said, yeah, I know that. She said she cook 289 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: well her first took it. It was almost the keeping 290 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: or laying the before and thence on the floor. He said, 291 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: it's almost that pot her. I'll say, your fading out? 292 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: He mean hello here we now, yes, that now what 293 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: we are saying. She said she putting her bed in 294 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 1: or laying beside her bed. Okay, so she's not in bed. 295 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm they're they're picking footy. But Jolas, I can't recall. 296 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: It's like I wish your way to bed because I 297 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: didn't dress her okay. And he sat there on the 298 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: floor because the four in her room. And I see 299 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: how any kind of tactable device with us star like 300 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: a tablet or anything that we can turn to the end. No, 301 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: and who have to legal custody there? Sorry? The mother 302 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: Christie Woods? Is that what a ch r see blue jay? Okay? 303 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: Now was there any letters or anything left behind? Do 304 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: you think anyone got it? Just? She ses, if you, 305 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you look okay, and they 306 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: have an answer. Where he was the golf? See, I 307 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: thought you said the first name was you're fading out 308 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: againswer Hello, yes, he so the name is yes, I 309 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: am area to Karen Start New York psychologists. Whether the 310 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: mom knew about alleged molestation or drugs in the home 311 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: or not remains to be seen. But I mean, practically speaking, 312 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: how could she not know, Karen, It's hard to believe 313 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: that she didn't know. But then again, Nancy, we all 314 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: have trouble wrapping our minds around the fact that she 315 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: would have allowed this to go on with awareness that 316 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: her daughter was being subjected to this stepfather. And we 317 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: find in many cases like this that the women are 318 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: so desperate to hang on to the men that they're 319 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: with that they actually bargain away their children to keep 320 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: the relationships. They have no sense of their own worth 321 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: and don't have the kind of motherly instincts that we 322 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: would normally believe any mother would have. As you were talking, 323 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, you know, I'm I've never been I'm 324 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: always raised an eyebrow. Anytime I hear people say the 325 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: boyfriend is in the house, the boyfriend is in the house. 326 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: And any time I work a homicide and there is uh, 327 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, our our awareness is already raised anytime you 328 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: have a death within the family toward other family members, 329 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: but you start talking about these other peripherals, I'll put 330 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: it that come into the environment, this kid, this this guy, 331 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: this man didn't have any interest in this child, the 332 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: well being of the child, and too uh in that extends, 333 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I think obviously to the mother in this case as well. 334 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: She had no interest in the in the welfare of 335 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: this child. If she did, she wouldn't bring this type 336 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: of person into this environment with this little angel. You know, 337 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: you were talking about her her dressing up. Nancy, I 338 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: got I got two girls, you know. I see her 339 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: and I see this horrible world that she lives, and 340 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: she probably had escape into this fantasy world wearing her dress, 341 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: is thinking she's a princess. And then right down the 342 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: hall is this monster that's living in the house with them. Now, 343 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: let's go now to Sheriff Hans Miller speaking to reporters 344 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: and the autopsy. The toxicology, of course, showed that she 345 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: died from chloroform class and chloroform. How can you explain 346 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: how that happened and how the suspect became chloroform? Well, 347 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: there was much information the scientific in nature. Obviously, we 348 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: have to depend on what science tells us. But there 349 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: is a lot of information that we cannot legally or 350 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: should not put out. It will come out in court. 351 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: We suspect that this chemical was used to disable the child, 352 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: and according to the autopsy report, it led to her death, 353 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: which was really unfortunate. As we all know. At what 354 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: point did that happen? Do you believe that that happened? Well, again, 355 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: the details of the investigation, I know the answer. However, 356 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: that is something it needs to wait until it comes 357 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: out to court. So the chemical was the cause and 358 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: of death, and let's wait and let's be patient until 359 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the court case. Until we answer that question. You think 360 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: that chemical couloriform, I am not able to answer that 361 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: at this point will be uh Well, arrests in our 362 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: system of justice, and arrest is only made if probable 363 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: cause is achieved. We have tried very actively to explore 364 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: every lead, every h every bit of evidence was used, 365 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: and at this point we do not have any additional 366 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: evidence that would lead to another arrest. That does not 367 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: mean that this investigation is closed. That means that we're 368 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: just not there to make another rest at this point. 369 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: The mother, Christie Woods has been involved in helping with 370 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: this mess. She has been cooperative and that she has 371 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: provided information that led to this investigation. And again to 372 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: re answer the other question about any additional arrests, this 373 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: investigation is not over. However, we have to make sure 374 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: that we have probable cause, but that probably cause now 375 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: rest Were there any visible signs of a sexual assault? Well, again, 376 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be part of the court and I 377 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: don't well, I understand that you want a lot more information. 378 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: So we asked to ask you to police respect us 379 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: and UH let that case come out in court. Let 380 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: that information come out in court, because we don't want 381 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: to jepanize the work case and we certainly do not 382 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: want to poison the jury. We know where these sex 383 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: abuse allegations came from, the brothers that lived there in 384 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: the home, the older brothers of Mariah, Mike Mhugh. What now, Well, 385 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: like UH Sheriff Miller said, the it's an ongoing investigation. 386 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: They're still trying to uncover more evidence. I spoke to 387 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: Walter Paramourn that he's a defense attorney for Mr Cameron, 388 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: he's court appointed, and he told me on the sidewalk 389 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: outside the district Attorney's office moments before the Rule four 390 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: hearing was to take place. I asked him, I said, 391 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: do you expect more charges? Do you? Could you see 392 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Christie Woods being charged? And he said rhetorically back to me, Mike, 393 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: you're a smart guy. Think about it. They live in 394 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: a seventy ft single wide trailer. Um, she didn't know 395 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: what was going on in that house. What we need, 396 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: what the what the what the prosecutor needs and what 397 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: the investigators need is probable cause. But you could come 398 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: up with perhaps aiding and a betting or obstruction of 399 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: justice right off the top of your head and try 400 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: to apply that to her. So I don't think it's 401 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: over as far as it goes with the mother in 402 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: this incident, um, because they were admittedly all there at 403 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: the same time when they got back from their trip 404 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: from Raleys November and went to bed sometime they're saying 405 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: between eight and eight thirty, UM. So yeah, I'm sure 406 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: that's what investigators are continuing to focus on. We asked 407 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: Hans Miller in the press conference after the Rule twenties 408 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: hearing if Christie Woods was still cooperating as she was 409 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: supposedly doing during the investigation. On the week of November 410 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: twenty seven, and um he he said that she was. 411 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: We asked, then, do you have a location where she's at? 412 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: And he hedged on that one, answering it, well, if 413 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: I say where she is now and she happened to 414 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: move from that location, then it would be a false 415 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: statement that I made. Um. We believe that she's in 416 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the area, though, Um, she hasn't been sighted. Um out 417 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: you know, in the community. So UM two very location. 418 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: We're not sure, but I'm sure investigators are still focusing 419 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: on her and trying to build probable cause and evidence. 420 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: We'll see. Listen, Judge in e t c r S. 421 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Five o five oh three, the defendant has been indicted 422 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: as a February by the Oslo Kenny Grand Jury with 423 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: first degree murder. How does he played? Please not here, 424 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: judge in t c R S. Five oh five oh 425 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: four an indictment returned by the Oslo Kenny Grand Jury. 426 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: Knock screw me up? There were the thirteen eighteen has 427 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: it plead to the defensive felony child abuse inflicting serious 428 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: bodily injury? Not in the seventeen CRS five seven five 429 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: four five true Bill of indict and returned by the 430 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Oslo County Grand Jurial on February the thirteen eighteen. It 431 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: is a three count indictment. First count is for felony 432 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: second degree bird rates, Second count felony larsny, Third count 433 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: felony possession stolen property? Has you plead to those accounts? 434 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: Under the asian every count he enumerated bout its league 435 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: and as a Leo no Good in seventeen CRS five 436 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: seven five four four. A true bill of indictment was 437 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: returned by the Oslo County Grand Jurior February thirteenth eighteen. 438 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Is the two count indictment. Those offensers are felony common 439 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: law obstruction of justice and felony concealment of a depth. 440 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: Has you plead to those accounts out of the as 441 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: of the two charges and numerous of the League and 442 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: Leo gul We are awaiting and watching the case, hoping 443 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: that justice will unfold. A nineteen year old University of 444 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: South Carolina girl is dead? But why straight out to 445 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: Larry Mayher Crime Stories investigative reporter. So far we know 446 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: that a South Carolina so called sorority girl, just nineteen 447 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: years old, is dead nineteen year old Rachel Bandman, who 448 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: goes to University South Carolina in Colombia, found dead. Now 449 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: very very unusual set of circumstances. First of all, Larry Mayheer, 450 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: how was she found? Her roommates found her dead in 451 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: her off campus apartment. That's right, you know, you think 452 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: you would be safe just five blocks from campus, right. 453 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Um officials initially ruled the kai Omega so the sister's 454 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: death suspicious, not really understanding what had happened. But then 455 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: everything changed. Larry may hurt. What did they determine was 456 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: her cause of death? It was determined that she died 457 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: of an overdose of the opioid oxy coda with me 458 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, medical examiner and author of a bestseller 459 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: now on Amazon American Narcan. Also with us George skiro 460 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: forensics expert. You know, Dr William Moroney. We know that 461 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: this young sorority girl had one oxyconton people too many 462 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: for her small frame. But why would that lead Why 463 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: would police be led to a criminal investigation? What about 464 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: the scene made them suspicious? When they look at the scene, 465 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: you have to decide how she took the medicine and 466 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: if she took the medicine with the assistance of another person. 467 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: Then that is when an accident can become a homicide. 468 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: In our local community, a husband and wife injected each 469 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: other with methadone, and that's very different than just having 470 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: it on the table and taking it. When the husband died, 471 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: because the wife injected the husband, she was charged with 472 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: homicide because number one, it's a dangerous activity. Number two, 473 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: it's a dangerous drug. And there's something about how the 474 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: medicine was administered. And when people take these drugs orally, 475 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: they have to take a lot of them, so you're 476 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: taking an abnormal amount to get what you want. Sometimes 477 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: they crushed them and snort them. Sometimes they crush them 478 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: and dilute them and inject them. And every time you 479 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: break down them with water to inject them. But if 480 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: you break the formulation down to use it in a 481 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: way that it's not meant to be used, that's premeditation. 482 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: An accident is I have arthritis. I take it for arthritis. 483 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: Something happened and I died, but I was taking it 484 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: from arthritis. If it's an illegal activity, these are non 485 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: medical uses. That is somebody coming in and this you're 486 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: gonna see this from the federal government more than ever before. 487 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna hold the sellers and the dealers accountable for 488 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: the death of the people from these drugs because these 489 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: people are addicted now, their brains are hijacked, and the 490 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Harrison Narcotic Act often makes it illegal to give any 491 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: addict and opiate knowing that they're addicted. This young girl, 492 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: a public relations major at usc A chi Omegas already 493 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: sister from Virginia, was actually found dead by her roommate. 494 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: They lived at Main Street's Hub apartment complex. And this 495 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: all went down on a typical weekday afternoon. This girl, 496 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Rachel Bandman, just nineteen years old, likely injected with a 497 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: fatal dose of drugs. And we were talking about over 498 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: the counter. We are talking about prescription drugs, prescriptions signed 499 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: typically by a doctor. OxyContin a painkiller. Now I'm curious 500 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: about the location, the downtown Hub high rise apartments. Who 501 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: else lived there? Is their surveillance video? Why is this 502 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: deemed a homicide versus an accidental overdose? What about it 503 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: made police suspicious? Oxy codeon oxycon ten Dr William Moroney. 504 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: It is a an epidemic right now in our country, 505 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: and now we've got yet another teen girl casualty. The 506 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 1: crisis is bigger then you could possibly imagine, and all 507 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: of these misuse of prescriptions is leading to increased heroin use. 508 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: In her case, if her dealer was setting her up 509 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: to give her more and give her more, he was 510 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: setting her up to transfer her off of something else 511 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: to get her into heroin. If this can be proven, 512 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: If he's breaking and crushing tablets that are never meant 513 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: to be breake broken, if he's contributing to that, it's 514 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: it's very different non medical. I mean, how do I 515 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: know somebody didn't just say, hey, try one of these, Uh, 516 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: you'll love It'll make you feel good, and then she dies. 517 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, well you don't know that. But as soon 518 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: as they change it from accident to homicide, his contributing 519 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: rule has a much higher percentage in an activity that 520 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: directly related to something he all own could do and 521 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: breaking the formulations so that this could be abused, or 522 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: injecting it or helping or learn how to snort it. 523 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: There's evidence there that shows he was involved, and that's 524 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: why it's now homicide. Question why why would it would 525 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: it have a greater impact on someone of her youth 526 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and slight frame. I'm talking about a nineteen year old 527 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: sorority girl UM found dead in her off campus apartment 528 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: of oxycodon. Oxycodon or OxyContin is a painkiller typically prescribed 529 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: by doctors very rie widely. But as a matter of fact, 530 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: IIC code on a powerful narcotic prescription drug that is 531 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: being used more and more for as they say, recreational use. 532 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: It gives you an illegal quote high. It is one 533 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: of the most popular illegally used drugs in the country 534 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: and as responsible for literally countless deaths. Until this hearing 535 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: that has just gone down, Bandman's cause of death had 536 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: not been publicly announced. After her death, law enforcement reported 537 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: no signs of trauma and no forced entry into her room. 538 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: To you, George Skiro, you're the forensics expert. What does 539 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: that mean to you? No trauma on her body and 540 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: no forced entry into her off campus apartment, Well, that 541 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: indicates to me that an intruder wasn't involved, or someone 542 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: forcibly perhaps made her take take the drugs UM. What 543 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the investigators probably looked for. They looked for, probably UM 544 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: to see what other types of medications she may have 545 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: had in her apartment, whether there was any alcohol involved. Uh, 546 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: but also they probably begin looking at, you know, where 547 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: did she get these drugs and where they obtained through 548 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: legal method or where they obtained off the street zone. 549 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: But it has now been classified as homicide, meaning she 550 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: was deliberately killed. Deliberately killed now a bizarre twist to 551 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: Larry may her the hearing has just gone down in 552 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: which her cause of death was publicly disclosed. What more 553 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: do we know about the investigation. The prosecution has been 554 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: kind of tight lipped about the turn in the investigation 555 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: from accident to homicide. The suspect is identified as twenty 556 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: two year old Anthony Hunt, who lives in Columbia, South Carolina, 557 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: and who at the time of his arrest was out 558 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: on bail awaiting trial on another drug chart that he 559 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: is the only person identified as being involved in this 560 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: case other than the victim. However, investigators have let it 561 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: be known that they believe the man charged in this 562 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: case intentionally gave Rachel Bandman a dosage of oxy codone 563 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: that he knew would kill her. Wow, how do you 564 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: gauge that, Dr William Moroney? This guy Hunt gave her 565 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: a dose that he knew would kill her and another 566 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: warning the Hub apartment high rise where she lived is 567 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: a very popular downtown apartment complex, just a few blocks 568 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 1: in the USC main campus. It's a twenty one story 569 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: tower housing about eight hundred and fifty USC students and 570 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: parents of those students better be worried because this killer, 571 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 1: alleged killer, has been walking amongst their children. Go ahead. 572 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: When you look at the intent of OxyContin eight milligram, 573 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: you have a steel worker, a guy who pours concrete. 574 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: He blows a disk in his back. He can't get 575 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: the surgery right away, he's got to go back to work. 576 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: The doctor prescribes two or three of these eighty milligrams 577 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: a day. And this is a two pound steel worker 578 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: pushes concrete, drives a double axle truck. You deliver that 579 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: same product two hundred and five pound. Sociology major, that's insane. 580 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: You're inviting disaster. And if there's any other drugs involved, 581 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: that would make it more potent. Because of polypharmacy, you're 582 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: mixing things, it's a lot more dangerous. Or you're mixing 583 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 1: it with alcohol, or your changing the routed delivery from 584 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: a simple oral system to breaking it the snort, or 585 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: in making a solution to inject you're premeditatedly trying to 586 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: break this and become much more active to force an abuse. 587 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: The brain is hijacked. This person needs something. It's a 588 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: chronic relapsing brain disease, and you're supplying something now that's 589 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: deadly based on concentration or route of delivery. And that's 590 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: why they would change from accident to how many people 591 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney don't think they're quote doing drugs when they 592 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: use a prescription pill. They think that is somehow safer 593 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: than doing heroin or cocaine, but it's just as deadly. 594 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: There really is no difference between oxycoton and heroin. Almost chemically, 595 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: they're they're almost the same. Nancy. The devastation caused by 596 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic in South Carolina is so large, In fact, 597 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: Governor Henry McMaster outlined it in his State of the 598 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: State address recently. Another threat that we face comes in 599 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: pill form. It's hardly recognized book by most people. The 600 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: opioid epidemic is affecting every state in the country. You've 601 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: read about it, but it's not a typical crime problem. 602 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: This is a crisis born of human pain and suffering. 603 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: This is something different. This is something we have not 604 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: seen before. Fifty four of the pills on the street 605 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: come from your neighbor's medicine cabinet in an unused prescription 606 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: of too many pills. For the last three years, we've 607 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: had more opioid related deaths in South Carolina than homicides 608 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: and drunk driving deaths combined. In two thousand and sixteen, 609 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: this silent hurricane killed six hundred and sixteen people in 610 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: our state. It's not just the pills. Addictions intensify from 611 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: one substance to another. From two thousand fourteen to two 612 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, right here, hero and deaths increase sixty seven percent. 613 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: Since two thousand fifteen, SLED has seen a more than 614 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: seven hundred per sent increase in the number of drug 615 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: cases involving faninal related compounds. We must take a strong, 616 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: new bold approach to this unprecedented threat. It consists of 617 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: what I call a full court press, including awareness, information, 618 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: and treatment. Last month, I declared a statewide public health 619 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: emergency in South Carolina because of opioids. This allows us 620 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: to bring the full power of the state's emergency management infrastructure, 621 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: health care apparatus, and law enforcement resources to bear as 622 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: a single team upon the growing epidemic of opioid deaths, 623 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: addiction and abuse. A comprehensive informational website has been established. 624 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: Doctors are now wanting the patients that opioids which make 625 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: the procedure of pain free, may also make the patient 626 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: an addict. Usually five days worth of pills is all 627 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: it takes to produce an addict. Disposal protocols are being established. 628 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: Our task force is scouring the country for ideas. Work 629 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, this is something on which we must 630 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: get busy. We must solve this crisis in South Carolina. 631 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: Why a nineteen year old University of South Carolina girl 632 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: is dead? The investigation goes on Nancy Grace crime story 633 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,959 Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend.