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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of The Giant Subtle Podcast. This

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Speaker 1: week's guest former New York Giant Myron Guiton. I want

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Speaker 1: a very on Paul to Tino had a chance to

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Speaker 1: catch up with former Giants defensive back Myron Guiton. So mayrowin.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back and and take a look at when

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Speaker 1: you first come out of Eastern Kentucky eighty nine is

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Speaker 1: a Giant's rookie. You're coming out of a team that's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of superstars, an accomplished team, a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender. Are you like a deer in headlights? What

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Speaker 1: are you thinking to yourself as you step onto the

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Speaker 1: field with all these terrific names. Um, of course I'm

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Speaker 1: intimidated first, Uh, and second, I'm thinking that this is

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Speaker 1: But I knew it was an opportunity because if I

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Speaker 1: then it'd be fun to play every weekend. You were

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Speaker 1: in reps quickly. Obviously you had the skills, you had

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Speaker 1: the talent. You had some injuries early in your career

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Speaker 1: as well, But to work under Bill Belichick and Bill Porcels,

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Speaker 1: you obviously were there kind of player. Why do you

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Speaker 1: think that was because they allowed you to earn the

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Speaker 1: respect that you wound up deserving. Well, I think I

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Speaker 1: fit the mold of what Belichick was looking forward defensively. Uh.

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Speaker 1: One thing because of my size and speed. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: second thing was because Uh, he thought that I had

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Speaker 1: up on the things that he was asking his safeties

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Speaker 1: to do. It didn't just come naturally. I must say

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Speaker 1: that I spent a lot of time before practice with

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Speaker 1: Belichick watching film, you know, study and tape and not

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Speaker 1: watching the teams that we're gonna play. I actually studied

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Speaker 1: a lot about other players from other organizations that played

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Speaker 1: to always wonder starting off, you know why he got

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Speaker 1: then for his Parcels from day one, Parcels through into

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Speaker 1: the fire. I remember the first practice, um, oh J

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Speaker 1: remember Parcels styled practice and it's like, son, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I need you to tackle him. I want

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Speaker 1: This year is not the School of the Blind. This

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Speaker 1: And that's the attitude that I took, and I kind

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Speaker 1: We knew after the eighty nine season that you guys

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Speaker 1: I mean, these were guys that could play multiple positions,

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Speaker 1: there or move I wuldn't it that we went on

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Speaker 1: have won. It was our type of game where it

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Speaker 1: was closed. Uh, it was hard fought. Um, it came

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Speaker 1: Parcels would always tell us, guys, if it comes down

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