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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton show, our number three

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition. Buck and I are both up here together

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Speaker 1: in New York City, and as we told you would happen,

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Speaker 1: breaking news for those of you out there in the

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Speaker 1: market for a home or just borrowing money in general.

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Speaker 1: The Fed has raised its interest rates by another three

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Speaker 1: quarter points, the biggest raises back to back since the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, to try to combat nine point one

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Speaker 1: percent inflation seventy five point basis point increase as was

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Speaker 1: widely expected. The stock market basically unmoved as that was

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Speaker 1: just announced in the last five minutes. But you're borrowing

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Speaker 1: costs increasing as there is a desperate desire to try

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Speaker 1: and bring down that nine point one percent interest rate,

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Speaker 1: also creating potentially a larger issue of we've been discussing

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of today's show. It's very rare to

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Speaker 1: be raising interest rates in a recession. And tomorrow morning

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Speaker 1: we will officially get news, at least for purposes of

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Speaker 1: this show. Despite what the Biden administration is trying to argue.

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Speaker 1: On the contrary, we expect that the economy will have

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Speaker 1: shrunk again a negative growth rate in the second quarter,

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Speaker 1: which will be back to back negative growth rates, which

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Speaker 1: suggests that we are essentially already in a recession. So

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Speaker 1: that news breaking buck during commercial break there and again

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Speaker 1: those basis points rise, going to cost you more to

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Speaker 1: get a mortgage, going to cost you more to borrow

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Speaker 1: money in an effort to try to slow down the

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Speaker 1: economy and bring back inflation. Yeah, man, this is what

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Speaker 1: happens when you spend too much money, or rather put

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Speaker 1: too much money into the economy. It's as though we

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Speaker 1: were running an experiment over the course of COVID and

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Speaker 1: then even accelerated into the Biden administration where we said,

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Speaker 1: let's really reduce economic productivity for a little while. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's make sure we go into an artificial temporary recession,

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Speaker 1: flood the country with money without any underlying economic activity

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Speaker 1: to support it, or rather reduced economic activity to support it,

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Speaker 1: and see if we can create some really bad inflation.

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Speaker 1: That that is what has happened here. And the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Biden White House is the least capable crew

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Speaker 1: on economic matters to have been in charge of the country.

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Speaker 1: Certainly since the Carter administration isn't confidence inspiring in this moment.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say, and I do believe

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Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning of this. Things are going

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Speaker 1: to tighten up. There's going to be you know, the

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Speaker 1: forest fire is going to burn for a while before

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Speaker 1: the undergrowth and the new growth can come about. I

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Speaker 1: think this is going to be a real challenge. This

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Speaker 1: gonna be real challenge, honestly for any administration. But it

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Speaker 1: just so happens that we have the worst possible people

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Speaker 1: making the decisions right now at the highest level of

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Speaker 1: government in a variety of posts. And Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: not up for this. He wasn't up for being president.

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Speaker 1: He's certainly not up freeing president of a country that's

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Speaker 1: going into what looks like the roughest economic period it's seen,

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Speaker 1: certainly since the two thousand and eight, But that didn't

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Speaker 1: last very long. Everybody says on two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: the entire economy and was melted down. Part of that narrative,

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Speaker 1: I think was so that they could bail out the

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Speaker 1: banks like Goldman Sachs, which got one hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: the dollar for its counterparty risk with AIG. It's good

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Speaker 1: to have Paulson being the Treasury Secretary as a former

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Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs guy. Too bad for leaving brothers though. But

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Speaker 1: if you look at the more structural economic issues, I

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Speaker 1: think you got to go back to periods of stagflation.

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Speaker 1: You go back to the Carter era, you go back

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Speaker 1: to the seventies and the high price of gas, the

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Speaker 1: gas lines, all the stuff inflation. Obviously, we're revisiting some

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Speaker 1: of the things in the past that we were hoping

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Speaker 1: we'd never see again. Economically. Unfortunately, everybody seems to have

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Speaker 1: a working memory of about two generations and then whatever

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Speaker 1: week and we had Art laugher On was so interesting

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Speaker 1: because he was there at the inception of the Reagan

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Speaker 1: brought to bear by Jimmy Carter. And where are we?

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Speaker 1: I think historically you can draw an analogy that much

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Speaker 1: as Jimmy Carter was an accidental president, Joe Biden's an

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Speaker 1: accidental president, and he's an accidental president because he happened

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Speaker 1: and just like Jimmy Carter, Democrats have control of Congress

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Speaker 1: and inflation runs out of control because they are awful

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Speaker 1: at all economic issues. We're mentioning Trump, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Buck Tomorrow, Trump is going to be out at Bedminster.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday he was in Washington, DC, I believe for the

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Speaker 1: an intuitive sense of what connects with his bass and

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Speaker 1: what connects with his audience. And it's not a surprise

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Speaker 1: because the same arguments we've been making on this show

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Speaker 1: out how they have gone insane is on the transgender

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Speaker 1: related issues, particularly as they pertain to sports and Trump.

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Speaker 1: We've said this a lot, and Trump is scheduled to

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Speaker 1: join us from Bedminster right now on Friday Live on

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Speaker 1: the program. I think we're kind of joining Trump considering

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be at Bedminster. But yeah, well that might

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Speaker 1: be a better way to phrase it. But it's our show.

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Speaker 1: So he's joining us on the show. We will be

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Speaker 1: joining him at his golf course, so we're mutually joining together.

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Speaker 1: Trump sense of humor always has not been able to

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Speaker 1: And yesterday we played the Matt Gates. Can we just

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Speaker 1: he's hilarious and they have no sense of humor as

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Speaker 1: the probe, Well, we played the Matt Gates yesterday where

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Speaker 1: he said be offended and it was legitimately hysterical about

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Speaker 1: the people who are protesting. All the follow up was great,

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Speaker 1: who was phenomenal? So Trump is speaking yesterday, and Trump

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Speaker 1: is so insane that he said, hey, maybe we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: let men play in women's sports. Listen to this, And

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Speaker 1: by the way, we should not allow men to play

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Speaker 1: And then he went on to say, and this is

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Speaker 1: very funny that he could be the greatest women's basketball

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Speaker 1: coach in history. How listen to Donald Trump, and I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what if I wherever, I'd be the greatest

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Speaker 1: women's basketball coach a history. Because I don't like Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: I like Michael Jordan much better. But but I but

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Speaker 1: I'd go up to Lebron James. It doesn't matter. Say Lebron,

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Speaker 1: did you ever have any desire to be a woman,

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Speaker 1: Because what I'd love you to do is star on

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Speaker 1: my team that I'm building up. I will have the

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Speaker 1: greatest team in history. They have a lose. Nobody who

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Speaker 1: It's funny, Buck, It this got your friend Yamache Yumi

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Speaker 1: che Yumi Che was really upset. You're just gonna be clear.

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Speaker 1: I've never been I just know how to pronounce you

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Speaker 1: I am. Yamische Alcindor decided that this was you just

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Speaker 1: the close Buck, very close. She said, this was transphobic

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Speaker 1: language that Donald Trump used. This is their argument. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Cultural issues were very popular in that room. He former

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Speaker 1: President Trump went on a long rant about transgender Americans,

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Speaker 1: and he used transphobic language. In particular, he was talking

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Speaker 1: not the right way to talk about all right, I

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Speaker 1: want to stop. How else would you talk about men

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Speaker 1: competing in women's athletics other than to say these are

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Speaker 1: men competing in women's athletics. This is something that the

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Speaker 1: left loves to do. They attach they attach phobia to terms. Now,

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Speaker 1: phobia is in irrational fear of something. Yes, no one

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Speaker 1: people who are trans. Who are you know, human beings

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Speaker 1: deserving your respect, in dignity and kindness like everybody else.

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Speaker 1: He's just talking about sports, yes, and he's saying we

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Speaker 1: I feel badly for so many of these women who

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Speaker 1: grew up the king. Oh. You know, the pro women

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Speaker 1: They're abandoning you. The Democrat Party has abandoned you. They

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Speaker 1: won't even admit that there's anything particularly special about you.

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Speaker 1: In fact, being a woman is effectively a superficial physical

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Speaker 1: take off at will. That's effectively what they decided being

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Speaker 1: not a Let's be very clear, because if anyone for

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Speaker 1: So Trump intuitively understands what the American public thinks on

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Speaker 1: many issues. And I just would echo what we said earlier.

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Speaker 1: believe that gender is basically a construct, and you can,

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Speaker 1: And the vast majority of the American public, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, male, female,

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Speaker 1: everyone rejects overwhelmingly this idea, except Yamache out there is

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Speaker 1: arguing this is transphobia to say, hey, men should compete

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Speaker 1: against men and women should compete against women. You're pretty

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Speaker 1: was good. You're right there. You're right on the edge.

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Speaker 1: I even wrote down the pronunciation here and I can't

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Speaker 1: even read my own pronunciation. And the other area you've heard.

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Speaker 1: there keeps on finding all of these teachers and you know,

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Speaker 1: parents too are saying, you know, my child came out

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of Americans, whether it's on the

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Speaker 1: but when they have an opportunity to vote based upon

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in play, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: by Raphael Mangel. He is a Senior Fellow, head of

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Speaker 1: And part of this because we've made so many serious

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Speaker 1: In a bunch of different ways by highlighting these disparities

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Speaker 1: minimum of ninety five percent of all shooting victims every

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Speaker 1: single year for which we have data are either black

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Speaker 1: or Hispanic, almost all of them men. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the starkest, most persistent racial disparities in our criminal justice data,

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Speaker 1: and we hear almost nothing about it from the advocates, right.

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Speaker 1: And so when you start to take those realities into account,

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Speaker 1: you start to realize two things. One that we have

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Speaker 1: to sort of take the disparities with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a grain of salt, because we have to control

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Speaker 1: for the realities that that concentration of crime leads to,

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Speaker 1: which is a disproportionate deployment of police resources to communities

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Speaker 1: where they're needed the most. I remember back in the

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Speaker 1: nineties where the sort of critique of the NYPD was

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Speaker 1: that they weren't responsive enough to black crime. Right, you

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Speaker 1: hear it in rap music. You know they respond in

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Speaker 1: five minutes to nine and one call in a white neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: but it takes twenty minutes to get a response in

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Speaker 1: the black neighborhood. And this was the critique. Well, now

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Speaker 1: the criminal justice system has become more responsive to crime

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Speaker 1: that is concentrated in low income minority communities, and that

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Speaker 1: means that we have to accept that the interactions police

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Speaker 1: have are going to reflect that reality, that the number

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Speaker 1: of people arrested for certain crimes are going to reflect

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Speaker 1: that reality. And if you're uncomfortable with those disparities and

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Speaker 1: the enforcement statistics, I ask people, why would you be

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Speaker 1: comfortable with the disparities and the victimization statistics? Right, we

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Speaker 1: know that the homicide decline from nineteen ninety to twenty

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Speaker 1: fourteen the whole gear of life expectancy to the average

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Speaker 1: black man the United States. It only added zero point

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Speaker 1: one four years of life expectancy to the average white man. So,

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Speaker 1: as people, why would a system that you say is

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Speaker 1: designed and operated to oppress low income minority communities produce

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Speaker 1: such benefits that are unequally distributed within these communities when

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Speaker 1: the system achieves it stated end, as stated by the

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Speaker 1: people at the system's home. Ask any police chief in America,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to achieve crime declines? Who's that

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Speaker 1: going to help? Not rich white people. That is a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal analysis, by the way, and an easy analogy to

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Speaker 1: draw here too, for if people out there are having

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Speaker 1: to fight back against the racism argument we use on

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Speaker 1: this show, are police sexist? They overwhelmingly arrest men? That

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Speaker 1: isn't because they're out there trying to arrest men. It's

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Speaker 1: because men overwhelmingly commit violent crimes and as a result,

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Speaker 1: are wildly and disproportionately represented in the people who are

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Speaker 1: put behind mars for violent crime. All right, so you

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Speaker 1: have a magic wand they come to you, Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: use New York City is an example, because we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here right now, and they say, you get to implement

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Speaker 1: three policies that you believe or a couple of policies.

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Speaker 1: What should we be doing to drive down violent crime.

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Speaker 1: You're given a magic wand you don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about the political attacks everything else. What would happen that

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Speaker 1: you could implement it as a result to lower violent

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Speaker 1: crime in your mind. One thing that people don't mention

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Speaker 1: nearly enough is that I would drastically increase the funding

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Speaker 1: directed at our criminal justice system. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: we talk about issues like bail reform, etc. Are largely

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Speaker 1: a function of how long it takes a case to

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Speaker 1: get from filing to disposition, which is influences how long

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Speaker 1: people stand to spend. As tell you, I have a

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Speaker 1: long time friend in the disca attorney's office in New

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Speaker 1: York who said one thing that no one focused on

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Speaker 1: at all was that in response to some of these

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Speaker 1: these anti police sort of pro I don't know pro

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Speaker 1: crimes how he describe it, but that the cops are

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Speaker 1: two rough groups, was that they change the requirements for

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Speaker 1: how much disc like. They essentially made the burden paperwork

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Speaker 1: and bureaucratic burden of bringing every prosecution so high that

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Speaker 1: it dramatically drop down the number of actual cases ads

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Speaker 1: can bring just in terms of man hours. They just said,

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Speaker 1: we need to do so much paperwork and so much

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Speaker 1: stuff that we can't even spend the hours to bring

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Speaker 1: the prosecutions we wanted. And on top of that, there

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Speaker 1: was no additional funding given for them to comply with

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Speaker 1: that additional burden, right. I mean we see this across

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Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. You know, lots of people complain

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Speaker 1: about overcrowding in prisons. Every time you try to spend

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Speaker 1: money on you know, increasing our carceral capacity, what do

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Speaker 1: you hear, No new jails, right, lots of people complained,

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Speaker 1: you know, want to impose new requirements on police to

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Speaker 1: file all kinds of paperwork, comply with corporate monitors, etc. Again,

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Speaker 1: no new funding added for that. The idea is, I think,

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Speaker 1: is that we want to starve this beast by giving

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Speaker 1: it all this additional work to do, and then we're

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Speaker 1: not going to fund that effort at all, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get less policing, We'll get less prosecution, less incarceration,

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Speaker 1: because that's what we really want. Fine, I wish there

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Speaker 1: would be a little more open about that. But fine,

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Speaker 1: but then let's have the debate about what that means

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Speaker 1: for the community you claim to represent, because again, crime

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Speaker 1: is not evenly distributed in New York City. Five percent

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Speaker 1: of street segments see fifty percent of all crime, three

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Speaker 1: and a half percent of street segmentsy fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: all violent crime. Right, if you live on the Upper

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Speaker 1: West Side of Manhattan and a nice building with a doorman.

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Speaker 1: You know, the police can reduce stops and frisks by

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Speaker 1: ninety percent. Your life's probably not going to change. But

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Speaker 1: if you live in Brownsvill, Wrookland, Washington Heights, mad Haven

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Speaker 1: and the South Bronx, it's a very very different story,

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Speaker 1: and I think we need to tell that story more so.

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing is additional funding. There are a

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Speaker 1: couple of you know, the discovery reform, the bail reform

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Speaker 1: I think should certainly be re examined. Police funding needs

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Speaker 1: to go up. I mean, the recruitment of retention crisis

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Speaker 1: is real. But the main thing is that we need

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Speaker 1: to get all these institutions back on the same page.

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Speaker 1: We could count on in the nineteen nineties that the police,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor, the judges, the correctional system, the parole board,

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Speaker 1: they were all on the same page. They all wanted

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Speaker 1: to do the same thing, and that was take dangerous

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Speaker 1: criminals off the street to give communities room to breathe.

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Speaker 1: Now we can't really count on that. Oftentimes the police

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Speaker 1: are working across purposes with prosecutors, at cross purposes with judges,

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Speaker 1: with the judiciary, with the parole board and so when

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Speaker 1: you see somebody who's got fifty one hundred prior arrests,

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Speaker 1: what that tells you is that the police are actually

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Speaker 1: still doing a pretty good job of focusing their resources

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Speaker 1: on the people that pose the biggest dangers, but the

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Speaker 1: rest of the system is not doing that. I can

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Speaker 1: say that does hurt from the cops. I know from

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Speaker 1: my time the NPD that hurts morale at Absolutely cops

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Speaker 1: really don't like having to wrestle someone to the ground

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Speaker 1: and go, oh, this is the fiftieth time we had

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Speaker 1: the same guy, same guy. If people love what you're saying, Raphael,

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Speaker 1: And my book is criminal Injustice, What the push for

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Speaker 1: After read it added to the list. Fantastic, Thanks so much, fantastic. Man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. Look, we talked about it yesterday Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show, closing up shop for today. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be left alone here in the Freedom Bunker

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Speaker 1: tomorrow fending off all the commies. But all of you

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Speaker 1: will fix bayonets with me all across the country, because

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Speaker 1: Clay is going to be out there swinging a golf

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Speaker 1: club around with some big, big name folks at the

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Speaker 1: live golf tournament. Clay, what should everyone be expecting? And

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Speaker 1: is there a chance we can get you to put

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Speaker 1: your southside down and call in from the seventeenth hole.

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Speaker 1: I yes, I will be during the show tomorrow out

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Speaker 1: at Bedminster playing in the pro am. I know Rush

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Speaker 1: used to play in a lot of proams back in

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Speaker 1: the day. I remember talking to Ali about this. So

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Speaker 1: I am a mediocre golfer at best. But right now

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Speaker 1: I believe I'm going to be playing with Phil Mickelson

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Speaker 1: eighteen holes at Bedminster tomorrow, so there will be a

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Speaker 1: lot of people playing out there. It should be quite

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Speaker 1: the scene. And I think Phil Mickelson is going to

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Speaker 1: have not a very a lot of not very favorable

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Speaker 1: things to say about my golf game. By the second

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Speaker 1: or third hole we're on, we want a live critique

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Speaker 1: from Phil. Is he the great? Him? Jack Nicholas like

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Speaker 1: these are some of the greatest of all times? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think if you were saying to the average golf

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Speaker 1: fan out there right now, name two golfers in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years that you have followed the most

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Speaker 1: tiger Woods, and Phil Nicholson would be the answer. And

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Speaker 1: I don't even think there's a close third last twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, not talking about the last forty or fifty.

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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas, I just remember him from the video game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nicholas won in eighty six. I think at the Masters

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Speaker 1: was his last major. If I remember correctly, so again,

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Speaker 1: last twenty five thirty years it would be Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: and Phil Nicholson. So I'm pretty excited to get to

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Speaker 1: play with him. I do have to out you here

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Speaker 1: for a second on something, though, because they're just some

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Speaker 1: things where I assume Clay and I do a show

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Speaker 1: together three hours a day, We're sharing thoughts all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I say to Clay, well, it's obvious what the

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Speaker 1: best golf movie of all time is, and I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: of course, we don't even have to establish that it's Caddyshack,

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Speaker 1: because everyone knows that it's Caddyshack. Clay pulls a curveball

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Speaker 1: on me here and decides to throw Happy Gilmore at

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Speaker 1: the top of his list like a barbarie. I just

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Speaker 1: I like Happy Gilmore more than I do Caddy shack Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know how that is possible.

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Speaker 1: I will say, of the Ken and of Adam Sandler films,

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Speaker 1: I think there is a strong case who made that

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Speaker 1: Happy Gilmore is the best, probably even better than what's

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Speaker 1: the Billy Madley Madison is Billy Madison, I would say

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Speaker 1: for the for the Adam Sandler movies, Billy Madison and

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Speaker 1: Happy Gilmore are the two best. And I'm an Adam

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Speaker 1: Sandler fan, so I think Happy Gilmore the price is

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Speaker 1: wrong bitch, which I know people can be like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god. That's a quote directly from uh from Adam

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Speaker 1: Saint Bob Barker, right Bob Barker, which is one of

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Speaker 1: the funniest scenes in any movie ever, when you Bob

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Speaker 1: Barker out of nowhere. Uh, I mean if you have

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Speaker 1: in some right hooks. Yeah, it's it's quite a scene,

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Speaker 1: quite a sequence. Although caddy Shack, though, it is you

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Speaker 1: know Bill Murry, he just ad libbed all those lines.

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Speaker 1: He basically created this character out of nothing, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing. And I always think of this because when

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Speaker 1: the Wonderful Missus Travis is, Clay's wife is like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Buck can hang out at the beach house anytime, and

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Speaker 1: Clay's like, yeah, there's gonna be like an area down

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Speaker 1: on the beach where the whole pool versus palm discussion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always being told not the pool

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Speaker 1: for you, the pond. So that's from Caddyshack for those

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Speaker 1: of you who don't know, Yeah, I might be a

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Speaker 1: total people trusted me until now and Now. I went

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Speaker 1: with Happy You're More Over Caddyshack, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: the funnier film. What is the best part of your

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Speaker 1: golf I have? I don't have a golf game, which

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Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of because my dad is a very solid golfer.

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Speaker 1: But that is actually I don't know that I have

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Speaker 1: a best part of my golf. Don't you just say

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Speaker 1: your short game, because like, who's really gonna check? But

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Speaker 1: the short game is actually, I think far more difficult,

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Speaker 1: like in the te box. If you can just hit

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Speaker 1: a decent drive, usually the fairways have a lot of

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Speaker 1: places you can land if you're short. It's certainly not putting,

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Speaker 1: although probably should be. I'm bad at everything, but I'm

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Speaker 1: equally bad at everything. I'm not atrocious necessarily at any

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Speaker 1: I also remember going to I was brought by family

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Speaker 1: friends to a very fancy golf club out in Long

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Speaker 1: Island when I was like ten years old. I'll ever

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Speaker 1: forget this because I was like, that sandtrap looks like fun,

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Speaker 1: and I just decided to run through a sand trap

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Speaker 1: on a golf course. I had never been screamed at

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Speaker 1: by old men that loud in my life. I'd never

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Speaker 1: forgot that you mess with their sand trap, They're not

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Speaker 1: very unhappy with you. I had never golfed until I

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Speaker 1: was like twenty two, so I was in law school

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Speaker 1: when I actually started to play. I played a little bit,

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Speaker 1: got somewhat decent than I had kids, and I have

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Speaker 1: knocked been out on the course a lot since. So

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Speaker 1: Bill Mickelson, if we can get him to call in

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Speaker 1: with us, I think you guys are going to love

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Speaker 1: his destruction of my golf game should be fun. Sleet

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of four