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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Representative Sheila Scherfulis McCormick has resigned

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Speaker 1: from Congress. We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: The Good Liars Jason Selvig stops by to talk about

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Speaker 1: tuckle calls and apologizing for his support of Trump oilsort.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to former Colorado state Representative Shannon Bird

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Speaker 1: about her run for Colorado's eighth congressional district. But first,

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Speaker 1: the news Somalia.

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Speaker 2: Last night, recent guest of the podcast The New York Times,

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Speaker 2: Teddy Schleifer tweeted, the Republican National Committee entered April with

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen million on hand. The Democratic National

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Speaker 2: Committee entered April with negative four point four million on

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Speaker 2: hand inclusive of debts. And let's just say this caused

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Speaker 2: the miltdown of epic proportions among people who debate these

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the Ken Martin must resign discourse. Ken

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Speaker 1: Martin is the head of the DNC. This job because

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Speaker 1: he was the Minnesota state chair and the DNC is

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Speaker 1: voted on by state party chairs, so they all knew

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Speaker 1: him and they were like, this is our guy. He

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Speaker 1: ran against a guy called Ben Wickler, who has been

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Speaker 1: on this pod. If you listen to this pod, you

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Speaker 1: know who Ben Wickler is. He is very beloved by

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Speaker 1: both the donor class, which is the people you need

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Speaker 1: who just you know, are in democratic world. But the

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Speaker 1: people who vote for the DNC chair are state party chairs,

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Speaker 1: just like Ken Martin. Ken Martin has had this job

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Speaker 1: for about a year and a half. He has really

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Speaker 1: flailed at it. Every time he's given a public statement,

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Speaker 1: it has been either something that's alienated people or created

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Speaker 1: of it. And sometimes he'll give quotes that say things

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Speaker 1: like I never wanted this job anyway. He is uniquely

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Speaker 1: not the man for this moment. The question is when

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Speaker 1: does he resign and how can we speed this up?

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Speaker 1: And the answer is, I don't know. He has said

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Speaker 1: he's just going to stay until the midterms are over.

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Speaker 1: But you know the reality is like no one is

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Speaker 1: entitled to these jobs. It's not the Supreme Court. The

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Speaker 1: guy's disaster. He's not raising money. People are pretty horrified

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Speaker 1: by how it's going and so like he should resign,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats keep doing this thing where they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: we're nice guys, so we're not going to expect our

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Speaker 1: people to do their jobs. But it's hard to find

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't think Ken Martin's a complete disaster. Defend

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Speaker 1: Ken Martin, go.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to make an observation that one of the

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Speaker 2: things I get very disappointed with our side of the

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Speaker 2: the defenses are aiming with goals that are way below

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Speaker 2: what can you do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, people make excuses for people, that's how

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Speaker 1: know you have a more of an ideological problem with him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think his job is ideological. I think his

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Speaker 2: That's not true. What did I say that was ideologically?

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Speaker 1: No, But I know he's very center ay. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't have the.

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Speaker 2: Job to defend my position on him. Yes, go when

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Speaker 2: Randy Winingarten, David Hogg and all these people end up

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Speaker 2: I think it says it's not like Randy Winegarten is

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Speaker 2: And I generally, as somebody who's been under very badly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, definitely, he is not popular with any

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Speaker 2: So one thing that you would normally think of Republican

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Speaker 2: of Goldman Sachs, Solomon is saying that he feels like

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Speaker 2: a recession is one tweet away. It does not inspire

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, here's the deal. This is David Solomon.

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Speaker 1: This is because Trump is incompetent. Okay, recession risks rise

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Speaker 1: just go through this for a minute. The Iran war,

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Speaker 1: which Donald Trump caused for no reason. He caused it.

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Speaker 1: Why did he cause it? He caused it because Nanyahu

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Speaker 1: told him to, tricked him into it. Basically, there is

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Speaker 1: no other reason for this war. The idea was that

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Speaker 1: And what happened when he went to war the most

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Speaker 1: predictable thing in the world. The Iranians went after the

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Speaker 1: Straits of Ramuse. They closed it, and now here we go.

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Speaker 1: We have made of oil and gas more expensive, made

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Speaker 1: fertilizer more expensive. Has been a real supply chain shock,

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Speaker 1: So here's the CEO of Goldman Sax saying it's reasonable

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Speaker 1: but warned that a severe escalation could push the price

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Speaker 1: Goldman Sacks a few months ago warned of this two

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars barrel nightmare scenario, which would tip a lot

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Speaker 1: of countries into recession. I think it's important to realize,

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Speaker 1: like in America, this is problematic for us, but we

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Speaker 1: shock is ten times worse than Asia. And there's really

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Speaker 1: your eyes for a second and being like Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: started a war for no reason. As far as we

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Speaker 1: can tell, that has really effected a part. You know,

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Speaker 1: it affects us. Everything's more expensive, sure, but it's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Malli, we got a new chapter of the

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Speaker 2: Art of the deal.

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Speaker 1: So this is the tariffs. Now, you'll remember that Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, which Trump installed three justices too, has

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Speaker 1: now said the tariffs are unconstitutional. They've struck them down.

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Speaker 1: This is a problem because now they have to return

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Speaker 1: the money. And so all of these companies are like

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Speaker 1: filing to get the money back. But here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is really mad. So he spoke to Andrew

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Speaker 1: ross Orkin today on the phone, and when Andrew about

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Speaker 1: large companies such as Apple and Amazon that haven't sought

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Speaker 1: Andrew very smartly asked, would you find it offensive for

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Speaker 1: them to try and collect a refund? And Trump said,

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Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant if they don't do that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think if they don't do it, they got to

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Speaker 1: know me very well. I'm very honored by what you said.

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Speaker 1: If they don't do it, I'll remember them. This is

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Speaker 1: like this whole crony capitalism part of trump Ism, right

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Speaker 1: that he is. This is he is the monarch and

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Speaker 1: we are his subjects. He will do anything he wants,

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Speaker 1: tariffs will remember never about onshoring manufacturing, even though he

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Speaker 1: a sort of fifeedom.

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Speaker 2: So we did not have an episode yesterday, so we

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Speaker 2: missed some of the more fud news of this administration,

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Speaker 1: Dear God, this is the third member. So we had Pambondy,

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Speaker 1: we had Christinome, and now we have Lori Chavez Dreamer

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Speaker 1: and Laurie's Chavez. Dreamers got a watchdog investigation into her

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Speaker 1: uncovering text messages allegedly from her husband and father to

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Speaker 1: young women staffers, and then that investigators were told the

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Speaker 1: by the way, not how any of this should work.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember that Chavez Dreamer's husband had been banned from

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Speaker 1: These people get into government and they think that it's

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Speaker 1: Cash Battel is reporting in the Atlantic and then he's

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Speaker 1: he's using the security detail for his girlfriend. He's hanging

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Speaker 1: a great example of like these people think that government

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Speaker 1: Jason Sylvig is one half of the Good Liars. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: That's great. It's just great to be seen. We are

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Speaker 1: on the precipice of Tucker Calls and feminist icon Welcome

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Speaker 4: It's Tucker time. It's still our Muller time. It's Tucker

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Speaker 4: town hard time. He's he's our he's our guy, he's

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Speaker 4: our guy. Jack Smith will do it. Tucker will do it.

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Speaker 4: He's the person who's going to save us all.

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Speaker 1: So Tucker has had a revelation, or perhaps i'm a

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Speaker 1: little skeptical.

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Speaker 4: I think it's more he was like putting his finger

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Speaker 4: right now and being like, if there's was ever a

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Speaker 4: time to jump ship's when Donald Trump is saying the

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Speaker 4: they're not not not helping anyone really in the world.

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Speaker 4: doing this, not him doing it him kind of like

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Speaker 4: backing and nodding to them, but not him like actively

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Speaker 4: participating in this kind of like blasphemous stuff and the

434
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Speaker 4: forum wars and things like that. Like really it seems

435
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Speaker 4: like it's a moment where there's gonna be a big

436
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Speaker 4: change in the Republican Party. But Donald Trump come back

437
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Speaker 4: from you know, you know, he got shot, he got

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Speaker 4: shy at you know, like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green is still spreading there they're some.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what I love about this is that these

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Speaker 1: guys are also crazy, Like Marjorie Taylor Green is still

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Speaker 1: like maybe Butler was staged, right right? I Mean I

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Speaker 1: don't know that that's a winning message, but sure, Okay.

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Speaker 4: There's people on the left like have you not seen this?

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Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of people on the left too, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the same questions about it. And it's like it's one

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Speaker 4: of those like having been there, like we weren't there

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Speaker 4: for when the shooting happened, but having been there and

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Speaker 4: then seeing all the footage and you know, talking to

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Speaker 4: people who were there afterwards, like it's like, come on,

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Speaker 4: we got to be a little bit better. But think

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Speaker 4: through like what all of this would mean if that

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Speaker 4: was true.

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Speaker 1: You know how many times I've been at cocktail parties

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Speaker 1: where people have come over to me and been like

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Speaker 1: but really, but really, but really, And I'm like I

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Speaker 1: did the thing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, first off, we've seen Donald Trump, seen him

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Speaker 4: act on SNL, we've seen him in the He's a

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Speaker 4: bad actor, number one, Just like he's not a guy

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Speaker 4: you could put in charge of doing anything like that,

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Speaker 4: Like he's a bad actor that should be.

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Speaker 1: It's just also not that organized. Like we've seen when

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Speaker 1: they try to do high level stuff, it's always a disaster,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that they pulled this together.

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Speaker 4: Like and kill somebody, like the the like risk reward

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Speaker 4: of it. And also the other thing that now that

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Speaker 4: we're just going down this stupid conspiracy. Yeah, the other

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Speaker 4: thing that bothers me about it is like, what was

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Speaker 4: the plan there? Because at that point it was like

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Speaker 4: I remember talking to people at the rally. This was

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Speaker 4: like a week removed, a week and a half removed

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Speaker 4: from Biden's like disastrous debate reform. He was still in

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Speaker 4: the race at that point. What was there to gain

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Speaker 4: by being like, we're going to do this crazy like

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Speaker 4: the craziest thing in US history, you know that's been

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Speaker 4: revealed or whatever, you know, Like we're going to do

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Speaker 4: this thing. We're going to do this thing, and it's

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Speaker 4: going to do what. It's gonna move the polls like

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Speaker 4: five percent or three percent when he's already probably gonna

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Speaker 4: win in a landslide.

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Speaker 1: Like I think I thought it was. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was both. It just doesn't It's not how there's any

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Speaker 1: of these guys work. Now. I do think that we

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Speaker 1: I think the smartest person in this whole world of

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Speaker 1: uh Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Green and Laura Lumer who's

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Speaker 1: fighting with Candice Owens. I read a tweet today that

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Speaker 1: she wrote that was I thought pretty mean to Candas Owens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no Candice.

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Speaker 4: Owen's man's just like she says, it's like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: kids so.

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Speaker 1: Very anti semitic. Is a Jew not my favorite. But

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Speaker 1: I was like, that is very mean. Like God hates

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Speaker 1: you look at yourself in the mirror because God, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was like, this woman is very very much a bully.

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Speaker 4: It would just be so much better to have these

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Speaker 4: people like, yeah, I just try not to care about

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Speaker 4: like the law owners of the world. Like I talked

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Speaker 4: with her several times, Like it's just it's just a

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Speaker 4: waste of time because like you're dealing with somebody who's

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Speaker 4: such a troll and like like sucks life from like

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Speaker 4: patrolling and getting reactions.

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Speaker 1: But the point of all these people, I think is

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Speaker 1: two things. One is they a representative of some of

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Speaker 1: the magabase because they are responding to what their people

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Speaker 1: are telling them online. So they are in a way

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Speaker 1: of weather vein Number one and then number two is that, Tucker,

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Speaker 1: And if you're wrong, please push back, because I would

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Speaker 1: I would love to, like, no, you you have met

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Speaker 1: all these people you know you are in this world? Hah,

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Speaker 1: just kidding. Yes, oh yeah, th're your buddy. But then

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Speaker 1: the other thing I would say is, like, of all

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Speaker 1: these people, Tucker is the smartest. So if if someone

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Speaker 1: is doing anything close to its three dimensional chess, it's Tucker.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, I think you're absolutely right. I was

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Speaker 4: gonna say it goes without saying, but maybe he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: He is definitely out of all of those people in

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Speaker 4: the world, you know, you're including Alex Jones in there

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Speaker 4: and Tucker Carlson. Like, obviously Tucker Curlson, he's a very

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Speaker 4: smart person. He knows. It's like you should admit that

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Speaker 4: when people are smart, like he's obviously a very smart person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a real stunning contrast to pretty much

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Speaker 1: everyone else at Magal World, because most of those people

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Speaker 1: are pretty dumb. I mean, even the ones in the cabinet.

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Speaker 4: Right Well, yeah, I mean I think, yes, it depends

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Speaker 4: on who you're talking about, for sure, But like with

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Speaker 4: with Tucker, I think when he's Christy, no genius, no

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Speaker 4: genius so sad, so sad enough, can't push job. But

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Speaker 4: with Tucker, I think he's he sees his opportunity now

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Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm going to get out and I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna see what happens here. Like he has options where

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Speaker 4: like other people I don't know necessarily would, but like

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Speaker 4: he could find his way back on on television if

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Speaker 4: you wanted to, you know, he could. He has the

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Speaker 4: name recognition, he has news nation high any of the

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Speaker 4: nation he could look. I don't who knows who would

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Speaker 4: hire him. You could throw out some other I bet

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Speaker 4: some other people would be happy to see Tucker Crelson CBS. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the nightly News with Tucker Crelson.

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Speaker 1: Is not Zionist enough, but yes, go on.

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Speaker 4: He's no, no, that isn't that is the thing with that.

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Speaker 4: So but I think what he's doing is he's he's

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Speaker 4: got plenty of time number one before twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 4: and there's gonna be other times. I think that where

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Speaker 4: he can either support Trump or break with Trump, where

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Speaker 4: it'll either get back in his favor or not. And look,

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Speaker 4: they're they're not agreeing now, but they could also agree

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Speaker 4: for Trump to support him if that's where it looks

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Speaker 4: like the wind's blowing like Trump, They're up. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: do whatever is gonna help well Trump when it helps

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Speaker 4: his pocketbook, Yeah, and his ego. And then I think, uh,

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Speaker 4: for for Tucker would be whatever he's going to give

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Speaker 4: him power. I think I think he would make a

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Speaker 4: deal with Trump in a second and go back on

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Speaker 4: every think he said in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: For none of these people, I think the most important

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Speaker 1: part of Tucker in the way that Tucker is similar

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Speaker 1: to Trump, is that neither of them have any real beliefs.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it was just like which is like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that a lot of people thought like that

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Speaker 4: is kind of a beautiful thing for Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 4: doesn't have these real beliefs, so you could flatter your

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Speaker 4: way into getting what you want from him, which has

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Speaker 4: worked for a lot of people on the religous times

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Speaker 4: for a while Wade like then of Justice, they got

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Speaker 4: some stuff, they got some stuff, and the religious liberty

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Speaker 4: stuff like around the right like it's this is he's

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Speaker 4: it's paying dividends for them.

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Speaker 1: But yes, but there were a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: thought that Donald Trump the one thing Donald Trump believed

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Speaker 1: was no more foreign wars.

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Speaker 4: Right, well, whoops, whoopsie WHOOPSI yes, and it's like it's

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Speaker 4: so crazy too that we're just like having a new

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Speaker 4: horrible converce. What did he send that annihilation tweet? Was

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Speaker 4: that two weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, two weeks ago? I know, because I'm

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Speaker 1: my civilization and we're just like now.

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Speaker 4: We're just moving on to the next thing where it's like,

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Speaker 4: this is twenty fifth Amendment, this is this is get

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Speaker 4: this guy out of office like this. It should be

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Speaker 4: like sirens code read and we're just moving on to

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Speaker 4: the next shiny object with him, which is why he

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Speaker 4: has won every single news cycle for the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jason.

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Speaker 4: Molly, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Shannon Bird represented Colorado's twenty nine district in the state

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Speaker 1: Congress and now is a candidate for Congress in Colorado's

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Speaker 1: eighth Mister, welcome, welcome, Representative Bird.

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Speaker 3: I'm delighted to join you.

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Speaker 1: So tell us what you do your former Colorado representative

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Speaker 1: and you are running for Congress in Colorado.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm delighted to be here. Thank you for the invitation,

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Speaker 5: and yes I'm a now former member of Colora Ratto's

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Speaker 5: General Assembly. I served for the last seven years representing

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Speaker 5: the community of Westminster, fighting for the good people, and

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Speaker 5: now it's time to go and take that same fight

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Speaker 5: to Congress.

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Speaker 3: Would love to share more, but I'm happy to take

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Speaker 3: your lead.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what the seat you're running for is,

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Speaker 1: it's Colorado, who are you running against? And what is

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Speaker 1: the district looklike?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is Colorado's eighth congressional district. It is

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Speaker 5: the only purple district in the state of Colorado. Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump beat Kamala Harris by two points in the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four election. This is a new district that was

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Speaker 5: drawn for Colorado after the last census, so it remains

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Speaker 5: very much in play. The current incumbent is Gabe Evans,

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Speaker 5: who is pulling poorly locally in the district. The National

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Speaker 5: Journal named him the most vulnerable incumbent in Congress. He

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Speaker 5: is someone who has taken multiple votes that truly have

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Speaker 5: served the administration, but have harmed people right in this district.

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Speaker 5: So that's what's inspiring me to run. Very largely, we

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Speaker 5: need somebody who's going to stand up and fight for

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Speaker 5: everyday people here in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: So you are running in a district that Cook sort

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Speaker 1: of says is about even we are in this environment

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Speaker 1: where Democrats have huge It seems as if, at least

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Speaker 1: in the specials, we've seen huge Democratic over performance and

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Speaker 1: the generic shows you know, five, six, seven, a lot

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Speaker 1: of points. So if that were to be true, you

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Speaker 1: would win by four or five points or you know,

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Speaker 1: somewhere around there. So first I want you to talk

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Speaker 1: about what cities are in the district, what towns, and

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Speaker 1: what does the district look like demographically.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so very largely, this district sits just to the

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Speaker 5: north of Denver. So the northernmost municipality is Greeley, that's

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Speaker 5: up in welld County, which is much more agricultural, rural county.

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Speaker 5: And then you come to the southern portion of the

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Speaker 5: district and that's Adams County, which is those northern Denver suburbs. Demographically,

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Speaker 5: this is a really diverse district. It's about thirty eight

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Speaker 5: percent Latino, sixty two percent everybody else. And it's a

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Speaker 5: wonderful district and very winnable for Democrats. As you say

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Speaker 5: one thing, I'm going to say a lot of people

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Speaker 5: are focused on twenty twenty six. But do want to

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Speaker 5: note the goal here, at least for me, is to

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Speaker 5: make sure we're not just winning in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 5: that we are winning in twenty twenty six and holding

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Speaker 5: a seat in different years as well, in twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: eight and beyond.

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Speaker 1: So Latino voters, that is a group Trump made big

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Speaker 1: inroads with but now is facing significant headlines. So talk

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Speaker 1: us through. You are on the ground, You're talking to

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Speaker 1: the Latino voters that is a big percentage of your district.

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Speaker 1: What do they say it is?

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Speaker 5: People are overwhelmingly concerned about costs. Donald Trump and this

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Speaker 5: administration promised people that he would lower costs, make things

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Speaker 5: less expensive for people, and we have seen anything. But

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Speaker 5: we've seen growth. Three prices go up as a result

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Speaker 5: of tariffs and unstable markets. We've seen our energy costs

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Speaker 5: go up, access to healthcare and healthcare costs have gone

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Speaker 5: up as this administration, backed by Gabe Evans, as they've

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Speaker 5: taken healthcare away from tens of thousands of people in

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Speaker 5: the district through their vote for HR one. Also of

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Speaker 5: incredible importance is the way ICE has operated in our

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Speaker 5: country and the threat that people are feeling with how

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Speaker 5: this administration has enforced immigration. We have families who are

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Speaker 5: sending their kids to school with passports and birth certificates.

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Speaker 5: People are living in fear. They're afraid to go to work,

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Speaker 5: They're afraid to go send their kids to school. It's

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Speaker 5: untenable and we need to check.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very rural district too. So how do

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Speaker 1: you talk to rural voters.

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Speaker 5: I talk to them the way I talk to everybody

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Speaker 5: else in this district. I'm not taking a single voter

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Speaker 5: for granted. I'm hearing from our farmers and ranchers that

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Speaker 5: they are so concerned about tariffs and then reciprocal tariffs

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Speaker 5: at export wars, trade wars that have hurt their markets. Notably,

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Speaker 5: they are looking for solutions and people who will fight

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Speaker 5: for them. In fact, I was just endorsed for the

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Speaker 5: primary by the Rocky Mountain Farmers Union, their political arm,

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Speaker 5: and the Corn Growers Association their political arm. They are

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Speaker 5: seeing that they need a fighter and they don't have

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Speaker 5: it in Gabe Evans or this Republican administration.

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Speaker 1: I mean, has Ice come to where you are in Colorado?

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Speaker 1: And is that something that Latino voters respond to talk to? About?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Ice has been in the district, and a good example.

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Speaker 5: I was just meeting with a small business owner. They

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Speaker 5: own a small restaurant in the district, and they had

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Speaker 5: said because of immigration enforcement in the area and of

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Speaker 5: course around the state more generally, they are seeing not

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Speaker 5: only employees who are afraid to come to work, but

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Speaker 5: about a forty percent decrease in their customer traffic.

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Speaker 3: People are afraid to even go out to eat.

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Speaker 5: So we're seeing this play out also not just in

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Speaker 5: small businesses, but on farms and ranches in the district,

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Speaker 5: workers are afraid to come to work.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to people in the state, where are

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Speaker 1: they with data centers and electricity?

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Speaker 5: There are concerns being voiced about how this is going

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Speaker 5: to play out. I know our General Assembly is tackling

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Speaker 5: this issue right now, but I am hearing about this

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Speaker 5: on the campaign trail. You know, Colorado is no stranger

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Speaker 5: to droughts. In fact, we're experiencing one right now. There's

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Speaker 5: concern about that, and then of course concern about the

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Speaker 5: impact and energy demands of data centers and how they're

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Speaker 5: going to be required to put the bill for the

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Speaker 5: cost of their own energy consumption.

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Speaker 1: Colorado is such an interesting state because it's trending blue,

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Speaker 1: I think, but it's purple. Besides affordability, what are the

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Speaker 1: concerns you're hearing on the ground from people.

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Speaker 5: People are increasingly afraid of losing access to healthcare, So

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Speaker 5: a lot of this plays into affordability. But I'll just

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Speaker 5: know that the fear resonates for me. I myself have

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Speaker 5: been uninsured and understand what that's like. With the changes

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Speaker 5: that have been made to Medicaid, we have people who

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Speaker 5: fear being dropped off of Medicaid, and this district, we

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Speaker 5: know one in three families in Colorado's eighth depend upon

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Speaker 5: Medicaid to go see the doctor.

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Speaker 3: A lot of fear there.

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Speaker 5: Our health clinics are in jeopardy, a lot of them

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Speaker 5: are worried about cutting back services. In fact, we've seen

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Speaker 5: that at least two hospitals in this district are at

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Speaker 5: risk of closure because of changes made to Medicaid. Also,

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Speaker 5: I'll note people who obtain their insurance on the Health

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Speaker 5: Insurance Exchange are just terrified of losing that access to

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Speaker 5: affordable health insurance. We expect in Colorado, because the ACA

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Speaker 5: subsidies were not continued, that health insurance premiums are likely

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Speaker 5: to spike by up to two hundred percent in this state.

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Speaker 5: So there are a lot of families very worried about that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about when you're on

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Speaker 1: the road, do you run into Trump voters who have

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Speaker 1: Trump prograt especially because you see Latino voters have shifted

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Speaker 1: so much from Trump. Do you see that and do

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Speaker 1: people talk to and what are those I.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I am seeing that people are telling me that

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Speaker 5: this wasn't what they voted for. And for those who

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Speaker 5: are willing to kind of about what their choice was.

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty four, people thought again that this would

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Speaker 5: be a guy who would be have his focus on

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Speaker 5: improving the economy for average families. And what they're seeing

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Speaker 5: is exactly what I know. I'm seeing in my family

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Speaker 5: that that's anything but what we're getting. We're getting higher

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Speaker 5: costs and less certainty.

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Speaker 1: So your opponents voted with Trump. What else about him

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Speaker 1: is is here?

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest criticisms is his failure to show

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Speaker 5: up in the district. So since Gabe was first elected,

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Speaker 5: he has not held a single in person town hall.

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Speaker 5: In a district like this, you have to be building

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Speaker 5: a relationship with your voters and in a district, like

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Speaker 5: any district, honestly, you need to know who your voters

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Speaker 5: are and what they care about. And if you're not

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Speaker 5: showing up to hold town halls and hear directly from

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Speaker 5: them and share more information about what you're seeing and

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Speaker 5: hearing on Capitol Hill, there's bound to be a significant

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Speaker 5: disconnect between you and your voters. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: we're seeing with Gabe. I want to note during my

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Speaker 5: time as a state legislator, I hosted over ninety community

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Speaker 5: coffees and town halls, and that's exactly what this district

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Speaker 5: is just begging for somebody who actually cares, what they think,

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Speaker 5: what they want, and someone who shows up to listen

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Speaker 5: and then go back to DC and deliver for them.

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Speaker 5: And it's not what we're seeing with this with our

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Speaker 5: current representative.

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Speaker 1: Part of what happened with Biden was the voters. They

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Speaker 1: didn't see his accomplishments. They wanted change, They were angry.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they understood what they lost or now

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 5: I think people are recognizing that, you know, peace is

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Speaker 5: a good thing. Stable labor markets are a good thing.

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Speaker 5: Stable interest rates. If you're somebody who wants to buy

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Speaker 5: a house or go buy a car. You would like

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Speaker 5: a stable market so that things don't cost you as

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Speaker 5: much I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing increasing regret and people. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people didn't take Trump seriously.

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Speaker 5: With a lot of the criticisms that people have had

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Speaker 5: against him or of him, a lot of people didn't

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Speaker 5: take it seriously. And now we're seeing our biggest concerns

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Speaker 5: play out on our rights, how immigration enforcement is playing out,

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Speaker 5: and now look at what's happening to our economy. It's

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Speaker 5: all playing out in ways that none of us wanted

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Speaker 5: to see.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly true when you talk to people in this

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Speaker 1: state house. I mean, you have served in this state house.

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Speaker 1: Colorado is interesting because it's been purple for a while,

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Speaker 1: but you have a sort of like I want to say,

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Speaker 1: independent streak in your governor and sort of the there

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Speaker 1: are certain things that the state. You know, you're very

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Speaker 1: much a Western state in certain ways. I would love

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Speaker 1: to know what you think are sort of issues that

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Speaker 1: are really just Colorado issues that you're seeing on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Water that's a huge issue.

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Speaker 5: You know, there are still significant problems and challenges that

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Speaker 5: the people of our state had before Donald Trump came around.

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Speaker 5: That still need to be solved and addressed, and we

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Speaker 5: need a strong partner in our federal government to help

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Speaker 5: support Colorado as it navigates its challenges with drought and

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Speaker 5: water and a shrinking Colorado River. So that's definitely something

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Speaker 5: that needs to be played out. Another issue unique to

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Speaker 5: Colorado is we love our public lands and making sure

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Speaker 5: that we have people in Congress who are fighting for

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Speaker 5: us and making sure that land is never sold off.

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Speaker 5: We have a strong culture of being outside, sportsman, recreation.

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Speaker 5: All of this depends upon a protected public lands policy.

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Speaker 1: Explain what the difference was between Apartment of Interior under

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Speaker 1: Deb Holland and Department of Interior under I don't even

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Speaker 1: know who the Secretary of the Interior is now. Is

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Speaker 1: it an oil and gas executive? Is it a I mean,

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Speaker 1: explain the difference.

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Speaker 5: I will say we have seen a marked shift from

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Speaker 5: somebody who respects and appreciates the value of public lands

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Speaker 5: and what that means to Colorado's culture Specifically, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to just talk about my state, but what that open

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Speaker 5: space means, public lands means to a Colorado way of life, that.

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Speaker 3: That means more than anything.

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Speaker 5: There are those now in this current ad ministry who

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Speaker 5: would be happy enough to sell off those lands to

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Speaker 5: the highest bidder and make some other kind of use

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Speaker 5: of them. But in Colorado, we love our outdoors, we

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Speaker 5: love our beautiful natural environment. It's what drives millions of

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Speaker 5: visitors to our state every year and helps maintain a

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Speaker 5: wonderful quality of life for Colorado's So that's the key

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Speaker 5: difference that I'm seeing that i'd like to highlight on

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Speaker 5: your show today.

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Speaker 1: Trump is very into like using the government for any

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Speaker 1: number of things that presidents have not historically used the

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Speaker 1: government for. Do you think that people like the corruption

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Speaker 1: seems like a big issue. Do voters on the ground?

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Speaker 1: Is it breaking through? Voters on the ground see it?

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Speaker 1: Do they see what it is? Are they worried about it?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: They absolutely are seeing how wealthy members of this administration's family,

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Speaker 5: members of the administration have become since he's been in office.

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Speaker 5: I want your viewers to know that to be responsive

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Speaker 5: directly to this, I have signed the Unrigged Washington Pledge

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Speaker 5: to make sure that we are banning stock trading amongst

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Speaker 5: men members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: That can't happen.

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Speaker 5: People should not be able to use public information for

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Speaker 5: their own private gain or insider information rather for personal enrichment.

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Speaker 5: And it's a terrible example that we've got set by

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Speaker 5: this administration and it needs to be stopped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say, when you're running for office, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of excitement around Democrats flipping the House. Do you

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Speaker 1: see that when you walk around when you talk to voters?

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Speaker 1: And also does it feel like people are activated? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: There are nearly daily protests against this administration and against

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Speaker 5: Gabe's votes.

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Speaker 3: Gabe Evans highlights or he is.

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Speaker 5: Frequently highlighted in a lot of these protests here in

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Speaker 5: Colorado's eight. People recognize that we have somebody who isn't

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Speaker 5: fighting for them, whose view of public service has clearly

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Speaker 5: been whatever Donald Trump wants, Donald Trump gets, and there's

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Speaker 5: a strong appetite for somebody to come in to them

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Speaker 5: and just go make government work for them.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Representative Bird.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me and for anybody

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Speaker 5: who understands the importance of putting a check on this administration.

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Speaker 5: I hope they'll follow my work here in Colorado's eighth

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Speaker 5: and would love for them to visit my.

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Speaker 3: Website at Shannonbird dot com. And that's b I. R.

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Speaker 1: D Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 4: I jumped fast.

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Speaker 2: So we saw blockbuster reporting from the New York Times

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Speaker 2: yesterday that we now understand why the shadow docket was

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Speaker 2: birth and you'll be shocked to hear it does not

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Speaker 2: make the Supreme Court look good, just like all reporting

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Speaker 2: about them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jodi Kantor, who is going to be on this podcast soon,

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Speaker 1: and Adam Liptik, longtime Supreme Court watcher and writer, they

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Speaker 1: have these secret memos obtained by the New York Times

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Speaker 1: illuminated the origins of the Court's now routine shadow docket,

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Speaker 1: which are basically it just shows how they started. It

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Speaker 1: shows how the Supreme Court is able to bend the

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Speaker 1: laws in a way that is and not have to

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Speaker 1: show their thinking. They started a decade ago when they

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Speaker 1: did this pivotal twenty sixteen order which halted Barack Obama's

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Speaker 1: Clean Power Plan. And again, all of this shows that

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Speaker 1: John Roberts is not the good guy he pretends to be.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the net net of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also showed why they're ruling this last

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Speaker 2: week for the oil companies. This is what they've long

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Speaker 2: looked to bend over backwards for and create new precedent.

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