1 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what's up? Everyone? Who happy listening to me? 2 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: You who? Everybody out there? Yes, high, this is Stradio Lab. 3 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying that Stradio Lab um rewarding parallel episodes and 4 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: only one of them will make it out. Um, we've 5 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: each struck out on our own and we artists, and um, 6 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: this is the moment when you decide who will win 7 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: and who will fail. One of us is releasing one 8 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: of us one of us is. Um, is that what 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: if we just talk over each other? Yes, well, I 10 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: don't know. All I know is one of us is 11 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: gonna be like we're both We're obviously both very good podcasters. 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: But one of us is going to release Crazy and 13 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Love and one of us is going to really stole 14 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: by Kelly Rowland and like that is a good stop. Yeah, 15 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: but it's not the one that's going to top the charts. 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: But she has fans. Yeah, I mean, who could forget Commander? 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Of course I don't forget. I still here on a 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: near weekly basis. This is the difference between gay and 19 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: straight world. Is that to to to gay World, Commander 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: is still on the top of the charts, It's still 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: being played. It's almost like we live in two thousand 22 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: and fourteen or whenever that came out. Yeah, people are like, oh, 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Calvin Harris biggest hit commander. Yeah, that just came out, 24 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: I believe. And then straight people are like, didn't he 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Davey Taylor Swift? Did he? Yeah? See, I had no idea. 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to fact check that. But we are 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: working with many fact checking partners that that that we 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: send our files to and then they do that work 29 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: for us. It's really important work and they are unpaid, 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: but God blesses them every single day. If you do 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: something that is good for the world, you shouldn't be paid, no, 32 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: because you're getting the blessings of God and your That's right. 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: And it's also like, well, you can't have it all, 34 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Like you can't have your you can't have like you know, 35 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: if you if your job is your passion you ever 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: working in, You're like, you can't have that plus payment. 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: It's unfair. Yeah, I mean, if you're getting paid for 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: something that's good for the world, it kind of makes 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: you question, like is it actually good for the world. 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing is like it's an oxymoron or whatever. 41 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: The opposite of an oxymoron it's a contradiction. Basically, well, 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: it's certainly a contradictions. It's actually, if you're getting paid 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: for something that's good for the world, then you're doing 44 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: it for the wrong reasons. You're suddenly that is, you know, 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of when people I realized this word is wrong. 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: But it's like when people talk about performative activism, it's like, well, 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: if it's a nonprofit, why do you make a salary? Sweetie, George, 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: you are speaking my language in such a huge way. 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: Every time one's like, oh, I'm the CEO of nonprofit, 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, then why are you a ceo? You should like, 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you should be unhoused. If you're the CEO of a nonprofit, 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: try walking the walk for once. You should be eating 53 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: dirt every single day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Yeah 54 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe yeah, sand for breakfast, dirt for lunch, mud for dinner. Bitch, unless, 55 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: of course, you actually are for profit and you're lying 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: to the American some kind of a tax of Asian scheme. 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: United Way, United Way? What's United Way? I don't know. 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that like a isn't that like don't they do 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: like we're putting them on blast? United Way it's over. 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy that every nonprofit founded by a wealthy person 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: is and everyone knows this and it's not some crazy secret. 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Is literally a tax of Asian scheme, and yet we 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: have to pretend it's not. We have to pretend that 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: you know that that Melinda Gates is some brilliant mind. Yeah, 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I've never really understood that, like on all levels. Like 66 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: whenever Gaga, who I love and support without question, it 67 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: says like, and this all goes to the Born This 68 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: Way Foundation, I'm like, well right, but like, what is 69 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: that borning? Let me tell you one thing about the 70 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: Born This Way Foundation and Adelvi found dead and buried 71 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: seventeen feet under the ground, because the Born This Way 72 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Foundation deserves a Hulu HBO Max and a Netflix limited 73 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: series and a fictionalized account where Lady Gaga is played 74 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: by Deadie Mays are with anti aging technology. I mean, 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: it's so clearly a scam, but at least she's allowed 76 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: to have one scam. I mean, what about the Grammatica tour. 77 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. It's not a scam if it's gonna happen, Yeah, 78 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: it'll happen when it'll happen when those Born this Way 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: Foundation checks cash, you know what I mean. No, it's 80 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: gonna be incredible. All the proceeds go to the Born 81 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: this Way Foundation, so I know that I'm doing good. 82 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: The only Lady Gaga adjacent business that actually makes money 83 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: ethically is Joanne Trattoria. What I mean, Okay, I've actually 84 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: never eaten there. Have you me neither? No? I mean 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: because I respected too much. I don't want to fled 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: too close to the sun. I think the way we 87 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: would find out if it was ethical is by going 88 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: and deciding whether or not it was good. Well, listen, 89 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: if they want to host a straighter lab live show, 90 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: I would be willing to go, and in fact, I 91 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: will donate all our proceeds to the Born this Way Foundation. 92 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that. I told about the time 93 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: I did a comedy show that I realized halfway through 94 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: was clearly a scam. No, I did this show, and 95 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: truly I don't even remember what the foundation was called, 96 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: so I can't even put them on blast if I 97 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: wanted to. I did the show that was on paper 98 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: about I don't even want to say it was a 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: serious issue. So I don't want to say what it 100 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: is because it will bring down the mood. But imagine 101 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: a serious issue, okay, And I was like, well, of 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: course I'm going to do a show about this serious. 103 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: Let's say the serious issue is saving the whales. It 104 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: was actually more seriously that because it affected humans. But 105 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: let's say whales aren't important. Awesome, Um, some majestic creatures 106 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: are second fiddle humans, beautiful, keep going. Okay, Sam hates humans. 107 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: Sam thinks humans should be second class citizens and we 108 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: should live in a whale dominated society. Sorry, I just 109 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: don't see whales and humans is being that different. But anyway, 110 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: because Sam is interspecies sexuality uh um, attractive and wishes Misha, 111 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: we're a whale. Hey, no one's getting hurt of It's 112 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: all consensual. So anyway, I imagine me saying yes to 113 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: show about saving the whales. I'm like, and there was 114 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you'll get fifty bucks, will 115 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: save money, will raise money for the whales, and it's 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: like going to be a nice sold out show because 117 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: people are paying money for the tickets. I get there 118 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: and there was a whole introduction from a woman from 119 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: the foundation. Then I talked to the woman from the foundation, 120 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: and then I visited the website of the foundation, and 121 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: I swear to god it at no point did it 122 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: say something specific the foundation did. It was like the 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: description was like, we use media channels to raise awareness 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: for let's say, saving the whales, but it's actually something 125 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: more serious, And there was no There wasn't even like 126 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: and then when you went to examples or like previous work, 127 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: it was all things like this commination show. So it 128 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: was all things to raise money. So they were like, 129 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: here's proof the here's proof that we're funding the whales. 130 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: We did all these things to raise money. They were like, 131 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: we did a comedy show to raise money. We did 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: a galle to raise money, We did a whale fashion 133 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: show to raise money. We we resurrected a whale and 134 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, had a whale awake to raise money. At 135 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: no point did it say where the money went. And 136 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm complicit in this. My name is forever attached to 137 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: this show. And in fact I took their money. So 138 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: you profited from a nonprofit. I profited from wales perishing. Um. 139 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: I once did a benefit show that I'm pretty sure 140 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: we actually ended up losing money for the thing we 141 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: were trying to raise money for. It was a pride 142 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: show queer lineup at a fancy downtown New York hotel 143 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: and it was like this just one rich girl decided 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: to put it on, and it was like, I think 145 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: there were a total of ten comedians and there were 146 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: a total of three audience members. Every single comedian got 147 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: all the free drinks and free food they wanted, and 148 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that people that came to this paid 149 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: maybe all three of them. Well, I mean this is 150 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: the thing with like, I think rich, especially rich people 151 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: in New York that grew up in the gala world, 152 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Like they think that's what charity is. Do you know 153 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, because they're giving their time. Yeah. 154 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Well they're also like it's hard work, but it's worth 155 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: it to grow up in the gala. Is that what 156 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: you said? World? I mean, I mean it's like it's 157 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: like the Upper East Side kind of stereotype of like 158 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the men go and commit financial crimes and then the women, 159 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: uh I plan the Gala have a secret fight club 160 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: like the thirty Rock episode and then um poison each 161 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: other's children with peanut butter so that they don't get 162 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: into Yale. Oh sorry, try Yeah, you're literally describing life. Um, damn, 163 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: I I didn't mean to, you know, I mean it's 164 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I think now we're just to bring them in. We 165 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: just have to bring it and listen. I just want 166 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: to say, Charlie, if you grew up in a gala environment, 167 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: I forgive you, and it's not your fault. The whales 168 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: are dying. So without further ado, please welcome to the gala. 169 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Charlie Bardet Hey, everybody, thank you so much. So Charlie. 170 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: How many galas did you go to growing up in 171 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: New York City? Um? Can I be? Can I say 172 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: something kind of embarrassing? Please? I've never been to a gala, 173 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: even for school funds. I've never been to a gala. 174 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Okay benefit um benefit talent show. Maybe because I'm just 175 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: finding it emotional to talk about. I guess I've done. 176 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: I must have done something. I must have done something. 177 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Because I've done, I'm good for I worked for a 178 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: nonprofit actually, and they had a galat has discussed that's 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: literally worse than working at a base. Wait, but that 180 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: actually was kind of my takeaway from it where I 181 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: was because also my job specifically at the nonprofit was 182 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: like I was the person who wrote letters to Rich 183 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: people asking for their funding, and it would be like 184 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: I would write letters that were like, hey, like once again, 185 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: we would love fifty dollars, and they would be like, 186 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: oh cool, he's been I wrote one letter that was 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: for this one extraordinarily rich family that like had just 188 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: given a hundred thousand dollars every year without asking, and 189 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: one year they just didn't a hundred thousand dollars just 190 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: like like and have been doing it like no problem um, 191 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: and one year didn't. And the director of development was like, Charlie, 192 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: you need to write a really good letter because that's 193 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: like maybe they don't want to be giving anymore, like 194 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: why are they not giving? You need to write a 195 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: letter that's like gently being like hey, we would love 196 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: that money. So I did and got a response that 197 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: was like oh my god, I'm so sorry, like it 198 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: totally stuff our minds here. It is like just capitually 199 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: like oh sorry, we're supposed to do that. And it 200 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: was like a hundred thousand dollars like came in the mail. Okay, 201 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: can I tell you one of my smartest ideas and 202 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: this is literally how to fix society. Yeah, take the 203 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: people with a nonprofit personality type, have them work in 204 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: the for profit world, and then the people with a 205 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: for profit personality type have them work in the nonprofit world. 206 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: If if there was a way to act really do this, 207 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: literally all the problems would be fixed because if you 208 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: had if you had Wall Street people running the s 209 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: p c A and then kind of like l G 210 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: B t Q nonprofit people running banks, the banks would 211 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: be more ethical, corporations would be more ethical, and then 212 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: suddenly nonprofits would be incredibly efficiently run and they would 213 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: be like raising a million dollars a day. Okay, okay, 214 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: So it's the complicating factor is power corps. But that's 215 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: exactly like I think this is at least a start. No, 216 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good start. I think maybe 217 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: at the age of thirteen, we we invent some sort 218 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: of series of tests that decides you know what type 219 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: of brain you have, and then we put you in 220 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: the career path without any choice, and then you should 221 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: not you should not get to choose your job. That 222 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: is one of the worst things that could happen to somebody, 223 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: because you flop every time it doesn't work, and maybe 224 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: every fifty years, like one person will not fit in 225 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: either side and they get to be president because maybe 226 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: you don't fit in your chosen job, you then get 227 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: to be president. I totally agree. The president is a 228 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: last resort for people you don't fit in any other 229 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: job between like nonprofitent profit exactly that's been to not 230 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: fit in those buckets. I'm sorry, but think of any 231 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: better personality metric than nonprofit personality versus for profit personality. 232 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: I can't. I can certainly put all my friends into 233 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: those buckets. Yeah that's true. But is are you just 234 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: putting them into those buckets because that's where they work 235 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: or is there something else going out? I think it's 236 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: a mentality, and I think you can actually have an attitude. 237 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. You can actually have a for 238 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: profit personality but not grow up with the resources to 239 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: take advantage of it. And so then you know, you 240 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: either join them mafia or you know, like you know, 241 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: do do basically find ways to feel like you're working 242 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: at a bank without having the resources to be in 243 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: a bank. Similarly, you can have a nonprofit personality and 244 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: then be a successful artist just because your parents found 245 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: your career. It is funny, like I guess, the one 246 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: thing about working in a nonprofit versus like when I 247 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: worked at a four intern barely have work experience? Don't 248 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: you when you didn't make were you paid intern? You 249 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: know what I've I've only ever been a paid intern. 250 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: Thank Okay, So that's the least you can do is 251 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: not pay them. When I worked at like companies and 252 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: intern there, like, it was so funny to watch people 253 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: get like so worked up about stuff that had to happen, 254 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and it would be like whoa, whoa, Like what doesn't 255 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: everybody relax because this doesn't matter? Like why don't Like 256 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: people would be like, oh my god, we need to 257 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: get the form in because if it's not in on time, 258 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: then it'll get late to like delivered to the and 259 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: it's like whoa, Like that doesn't who cares about? Like? 260 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: And then when you work at a nonprofit, it's a 261 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: little bit like that. But then it was like the 262 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: nonprofit I worked at was like a children's chorus, and 263 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: it was like, you know what, let these kids sing 264 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and they need to do it. And so there was 265 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: more like I kept wanting to be like, why does 266 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: it matter if I do a good job writing this 267 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: grant application? And it would be like, because if you 268 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: don't write the grant application, you won't get thirty dollars 269 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: and the kids won't get binders. So and I didn't 270 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: like that either. Well that I mean, this is no, 271 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: it's just like these kids, like how much money do 272 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: you need to sing? I actually was thinking that, like 273 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: you're literally born with it, like just like go ahead 274 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: and let it out like your skin, you know what 275 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean? Well, the whole thing too, And this is 276 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: why it was like like this was like a prestigious 277 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: children's chorus, but it was also like a music education 278 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: thing for kids who are underserved, So it would be 279 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: like or like for like kids who were poor and 280 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: didn't have good music education their schools. So it's like, look, 281 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: we're not only teaching them music, but actually they're like 282 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: amazing at it. And it was like maybe they don't 283 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: have to be like amazing at it as during the 284 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: Glee era where a lot of people were looking to 285 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: put funding into glee programs. Yeah, basically I wonder how 286 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: much I can say about it, but I guess whatever, 287 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: no problem. It was like the other things I remember 288 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: with that job, where that the director of it was 289 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: like hugely megalomaniacal and like just how happens. Yeah. And 290 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: you know what I learned in that job that you 291 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: can look up how much anybody makes in a nonprofit. 292 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: And that was very revealing because they'd be like, sorry, 293 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: we have to cut all the funding is not good. 294 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: I was like, you make two dollars, why don't you 295 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: make less than that? You can give that to other people. 296 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: Huh isn't that the main question? Isn't that question? So 297 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: your thing about like why aren't you, you know, walk 298 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: the walk a little bit? It's like yeah, it's like, 299 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean, everything we say is rooted in truth. It's like, 300 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: I guess I don't think they should all be unpaid, 301 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: but like I do think the CEO should be unpaid. Yeah, 302 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: definitely if you want to be a CEO, it's like you, okay, 303 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: that's enough, that's quite. I do actually think if you 304 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: if you're CEO, then the title should be enough totally. 305 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: If you're gonna be ceo, oh my god, that's so fancy. 306 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: And you get definitely can get like a perk. I'm 307 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: not opposed even a car. You get a car, for sure, 308 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: you get a car and nice Ford Fiesta, nothing fancy, no, 309 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I mean it's a nonprofit for christs 310 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: a Nissan, but it works maybe with a nice novelty 311 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: license plate that that that says the big big guy. 312 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah let them sing. Yeah, my at least every thing. 313 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: Also is when it's like, well, compared to normal CEOs, 314 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: they're broke, and it's like, yeah, normal CEOs are psychopaths. 315 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: Like that's not good either. Yeah, you know, it's funny 316 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, you know what CEOs do, make 317 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: too much money? Like wait, go hold on, yeah wait, yeah, 318 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: that's actually tracking for me. I've never thought of that before. 319 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: I'm feeling self conscious about how I sound. If I sound, No, 320 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: you sound better than those children who's singing career as 321 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: you funded with your blood money. Okay. It really was 322 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: so clear that it was like you are literally using 323 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: this to launder Oh my god. Well I knew this 324 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: kid in college speaking of Yale, no offense. This kid 325 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: who is and I won't say his first name, m 326 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: but I will say his last name. It seems like 327 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: it seems like normally you would do the opposite. But yeah, okay, 328 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: I'll say his first name. Actually this s mart Uh, well, 329 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: don't give him a pseudonym, okay, Marvin Um Well, he 330 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: came from this like family that was super rich. Their 331 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: names around a lot of like plazas and stuff in 332 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: New York. They own like all of Central Park West, 333 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: and he graduated like billionaires. He graduated, and like his 334 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: career afterwards, he was like managing his family's finances and 335 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: managing to like fill it. Like he was like, I'm 336 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: a philanthropist, and he only gave to like ticketed, high 337 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: end expensive art institutions. So you would throw these galas 338 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: for like the Frick Museum and like the Metropolitan Opera, 339 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: which is like I guess that's a nonprofit technically, like 340 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: I guess he got me there. Yeah, that almost seems 341 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: like a different world altogether, where it's like that actually 342 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: is simply part of the business, like that is how 343 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: those institutions raised. Meanwhile, the met has like more money 344 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: than God. I mean, I canna get into it because ultimately, ultimately, 345 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: in some ways, the Metropolitan Museum of Art is like 346 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: more evil than Goldman Sex Idding. But it's funny to 347 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: say stuff like that, Like that's a cool thing to say, 348 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: because if you said confidently, I'll be like, yeah, yeah, 349 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: and I know, but I knew that already. Actually, yeah, 350 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: I was pretty ready to fully agree with you, fully 351 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: support them at um. And you know, I end arts 352 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: and the arts in general. Um. But this does remind 353 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: me of one time I read an article that was 354 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: like up and coming art, like up and coming people 355 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: in the art world, not artists, but like curators and 356 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: collectors and stuff. So it was all these girls that 357 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: were like in their late twenties, and every single description 358 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: was like growing up in the X family, she was 359 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: exposed to art from an early age, or like she 360 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: started her career managing her mother's collection, and it was 361 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: done in a completely straight face, Like it was literally 362 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: like these up and comers are killing it in the 363 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: art game. Oh my god, that's funny. The art world 364 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: is something where it's like, I'm so glad that I 365 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: don't have to be part of that. I recently just 366 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: started yelling because someone showed me a work of art 367 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: that I'm sure it's from like a totally fine person, 368 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: but it just looked a little stupid to me. Whatever. 369 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: But every time I am confronted with the art world, 370 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: it makes me so viscerally angry because it is literally 371 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: a money laundering scheme. And meanwhile, there are people that 372 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: like want to be artists and can't. Yeah, everyone making 373 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: fun of n f T s and stuff. And then 374 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: it's like, well, so is normal art? Like normal art 375 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: is also stupid and just to avoid taxes and launder money. Yeah, 376 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: and then there's this like shadow economy around it of 377 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: like people with art history PhDs that then have to 378 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: justify these things that exist in order for someone to 379 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: launder their money that they got from arms dealing, and 380 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: they have to write like a little description that's like, well, 381 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: he explores ephemerality through corporeal hegemony and meanwhile location based 382 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: scouting of ants, And you're like that actually interesting? But 383 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: actually I do like that. Yeah, that's actually I'm describing 384 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite artists. Just Wop McPhee. But you know, 385 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: I what, what am I gonna do? Hate on? Museums 386 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: are like the most fun thing I would yes, and 387 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm deciding what I think about museums. Hold on, 388 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: here's how I Okay. I don't think I understood museums 389 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: until I was living in New York, only because I 390 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's so novel to have like a big, 391 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: mostly empty space. Do you know? The best thing is 392 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: my favorite thing? Galleries in New York. Literally just essentially 393 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: like spaces, completely free, all of them. You go in, 394 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: you see it's completely not overwhelming because it's just like 395 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: one or two rooms. You see something you've never seen before, 396 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: because it's like a contemporary artist and it's not like 397 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: a retrospective of you know, for again, Andy Warhol. And 398 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: then you can do like five of them in one day. 399 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Oh and have some wine. Why not? Oh, of course 400 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: I think it is. It is really nice to be 401 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: in a clean room. Yeah, and that doesn't happen not often. Yeah. 402 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: One time I was at um Moments one like in 403 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: the thick of summer, and and they it was not 404 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: air conditioned, and we opened this one door and I 405 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, we're like, okay, what's in 406 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: this room? And it was just the completely empty room 407 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: with full air conditioning on. And my friend and I 408 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: were convinced that it was that room was a work 409 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: of art. And I remember distinctly my friend being like, 410 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: that's actually like maybe the best work of art I've 411 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: seen this year, and she was like an art person. 412 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: And then we later found out years later there was 413 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: just a room. But then they happened to have the A. C. 414 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's I would say one note. For most 415 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: art museums, it is like takedown some of that art 416 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: and actually put on some music and maybe invite my friends. 417 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I did recently go to at the Brooklyn 418 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: Museum that like a DJ night, and my boyfriend's roommate 419 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: was organizing it in some capacity, and I went to 420 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: that and I didn't like that. Can I say something 421 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: those nights because they have those especially, I would say 422 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: maybe they still do, but I feel like especially kind 423 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: of in the like right when I was graduating college, 424 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: those were huge, like everywhere it would be like the 425 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: obviously the moment PS one has the famous one over 426 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: the summer, and then like when I was in San Francisco, 427 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: one me, I can't remember which museum was had like 428 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: these like nights out and it was like it was 429 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: open at night and it was like lit with me 430 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: on lights and there was a band or whatever, and 431 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: it was like a way to get younger people interested 432 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: in art. And that was like to me, that was 433 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: the epitome of like sophisticated night life when I was 434 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: like twenty one. Yeah. Sure, you know, when you put 435 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: it like that, it sounds like almost Christian it reminds 436 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: of like young life or something like a way to 437 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: trick young people into like priests with guitars. Yeah. The 438 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: thing I'm responding to about it is like I think 439 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: I like it because there's something satisfying about like we 440 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: don't normally use this space during this time, but now 441 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: we are using it, so it feels like efficient and 442 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: kind of it's like it's like d like de glazing 443 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: the pan when you're cooking and you're like, You're like, 444 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: I I got all this like stuff and then you 445 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: put theming in. You're like, but now I'm using all 446 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: of it and it feels really good. You guys, does 447 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: that connect? It doesn't hit very hard with me. But um, 448 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't know George's history with de glazing what glazing. 449 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: De glazing is like when it's like and by the way, 450 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: could be wrong, Like it's when on the when you're 451 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: cooking with a pan and it like stuff gets like 452 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: stuck to the bottom and the kind of like dry. 453 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: But then you add a liquid, you add like a 454 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: little wine, and it picks up all that stuff and 455 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: then MUSHes it around and becomes part of the sauce. 456 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: So you're taking something so the parallel is something that 457 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: you're not normally using. You're using it now, and there's 458 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: not there's probably not another metaphor for that. Besides, that 459 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: was like really a tenuous metaphor. And I think that's 460 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: actually a testament to your intelligence because you're able to 461 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: make that connection because it's like really like kind of 462 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: like and it doesn't work in a lot of way. Actually, 463 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: your mind is working at such a high level that 464 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: you were able to make such a tenuous connection. Someone 465 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: else would look at that. There would be like a 466 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: very thin string connecting one thing to the other, and 467 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: they would just look past it and be like, oh, 468 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: an empty space and they would trip over that string 469 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: and look like a fool and look like a fool 470 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, Charlie, are you ready for a first segment? Yeah? Sam, 471 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: do you want to introduce it? Sure? Um? The segment 472 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: is called straight Shooters, and then we ask you a 473 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: series of rapid fire questions. Um, basically this thing or 474 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: this other thing in order to gauge your familiarity with 475 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: and complicity in straight culture. Um, you killed it, so um, 476 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: without further ado, I'll kick us off. Actually, Okay, okay, 477 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: Charlie complaining about being tired or reminiscing about simpler times 478 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: in the shire, complaining about being tired. Okay, Charlie, apple 479 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: bottom jeans or boots with the fur apple bottom jeans, Okay, 480 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: hold me closer, Tiny Dancer, or sing as a song 481 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: or the piano man sing as a song. You're the 482 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: piano man, hot topic or cold Mountain, um um, cold Mountain. 483 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: Knowing you're worth or knowing your angles, knowing you're worth, 484 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: dropping an album or picking up a shift at the 485 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: food co op dropping an album? Okay, Batman spider Man 486 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: or a Man's Man spider Man. Okay, is everyone ready 487 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: for this? Okay? No Country for Old Men? Or yes, Hunty, 488 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: that look is a ten uh No Country for Old Men? Wow? Wow, 489 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: after all that, all the effort I put into that, well, 490 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: you said the first one and I said you were 491 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: going in the sand. I was like, let's wrap this 492 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: up because I already heard what I needed to hear that. 493 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, that's quite enough. I'm all in. Yeah, do 494 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: you remember anything about No Country for Old Man except 495 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: for Javier Birdem's haircut? Can I say something? Yeah, never 496 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: seen it? I actually did see that movie, and no, 497 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. From it. It also was the 498 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: same time as there will be blood. Yeah, that's going 499 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: to be confusing for a guy like me. Yeah, well 500 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: there will be blood. Listen. I like the Cohen's and like, 501 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: if I saw No Country for Old Men again, I'm 502 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: sure I would like it. But I haven't seen this 503 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: I was a kid. There will be blood is more memorable. 504 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'd rink your milkshake. I thought that was no. 505 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: I thought, wait, which one is that there will be blood? 506 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: There will be blood? Right, And that's the one I 507 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: know because I remember an SNL sketch about it, So 508 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: that's my way into it. That's what I was gonna 509 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: stay too. Really, that was held that in there, right, 510 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: So of the three of them, for me, it's SNL 511 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: sketch and then No Country for Old Men original movie, 512 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and then the other one you said there will be 513 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: blood or whichever one, No, there will be blood original movie, 514 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: And then it's not sticking for me at all. My 515 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: brain really can't grasp. And I'm sure if I saw 516 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: them they would be different. No, And like I'm sure, 517 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: like I I like those movies at least I like 518 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: it will be blood, I think, And but I'm just 519 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure No Country of Oldman is good, but also like, 520 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: what was it about? He was walking around with a 521 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 1: weird haircut and killing people. So I just want to 522 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: do with the I want to add a little something 523 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: to this ranking, because I would put above No Country 524 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: for Old Man, I would put me my one saw 525 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: about Old Country for Old Men, where Javier Bardem is 526 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: doing the gun thing at someone's head, and then it's 527 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: two images of it and one says you're canceled sis, 528 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: and then the second one after he shot says and 529 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: that's t with that above the actual film. Where does 530 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: that go in relation to the SNL sketch about it? 531 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: To me, I hate to say it. I don't remember 532 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: the SNL sketch, So to me, it's going to let 533 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: us paint a picture to go. It's Bill Hayter and 534 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: Amy Pohler plays his son there in a milkshake and 535 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: they're shop okay, and and the funny moment one of 536 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: them for me is that at one point Amy Poehler 537 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: as the Sun kind of walks away and he goes, 538 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: I've abandoned my boy. I've abandoned my boy. And then 539 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: Amy Polard comes back and he goes, oh, there you are. 540 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: So I also remember there was there were really long straws. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 541 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: yeah that was. Do you remember that. I like the joke, yes, yes, yes, 542 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: they were playing with the idea like I drink your milk, chick, 543 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: not as a metaphor, yeah, sort of like let's take 544 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: that literally. Yeah, So much of humor is like what 545 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: if a metaphor was literal? It's so true. You know. 546 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: What else is big in humor is like it is like, 547 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: who is the first person to do this thing? And 548 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: that's crazy that they did that. I mean enough of 549 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: that come on. That actually bums me out when when sorry, 550 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken it there, when I hear someone 551 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: about two literalized rap lyrics, I mean, that's almost so 552 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: hack that, like I could see a world when it 553 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: comes back around to be like ironic, to be like 554 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: Dmitri Martin. Yeah, or like like I could literally like 555 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: Rachel Callie doing like literal raps and it would be 556 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: funny because just like, so, what do you mean hose 557 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: in different area? I know that you got it's too 558 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: many places again? Oh much? God, that's funny. Wow, really 559 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: good impressions both of us uh, damn. I want to 560 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: keep talking about no country for old men and there 561 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: will be blood. But I also want to introduce her topic. Yeah, 562 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: and by the way, that is a hard topic for 563 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: me because I haven't seen it, which is why I 564 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: had to introduce my area of expertise, which is the 565 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: s and one time and kind of remember you know. 566 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: I also want to say about that catch I remember 567 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: at the time not liking it, but it's still because 568 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: they were just saying it a catchphrase over and over 569 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: and over, it like got stuck in my brain. Yeah, 570 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: I also remember not liking it, but I like it 571 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: now for giving me something to talk about so that 572 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: I think was a smart thing for them to do. 573 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: That was really smart, And I think it's so important 574 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: to remember that in comedy because it's not necessarily about 575 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: getting the laugh in the moment's about starting a conversation 576 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: roughly fifteen years later. It's so important to give gay 577 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: guys something to talk about. It's kind of like, how 578 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: like I can't think of the O C finale with that, 579 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: thinking of which is say, oh my god, that's so 580 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: true and that's funny. That was good. That's actually a 581 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: rare thing where both the sketch is funny, and also 582 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the actual scene is brilliant, really like the original. 583 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: It is like there's a reason it's iconic, and it's 584 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: like you're not going to get that on UM Riverdale. Yeah, okay, 585 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: shall we do topic? Well, I think I'm ready. Yeah, okay, 586 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: let's do topic. Okay, so our topic, Charlie, if you 587 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: don't mind, Yeah, would you like to introduce the topic 588 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: and maybe say a little bit about why you chose 589 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: it as a topic about straight culture? Yeah? Um, of 590 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: course that. I was hoping you're gonna say yes, because 591 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: you pause and I was like, is this gonna It's like, um, 592 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm actually okay for now, but no, but I appreciate 593 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: the offer you asked me later because I might change 594 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: my mind. Um. Yes, the topic is being impressed. And 595 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: this comes from this is a general kind of idea 596 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: that's coming from a more specific experience, which is I'm 597 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: specifically thinking about that UM lip sync battle clip where 598 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: you have, oh, I know exactly what you're about to say. 599 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: That guy Tom whatever his name is or some Tom Holland, 600 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: not Tom Holland, and he does umbrella and it's like 601 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: I always am seeing like straight mostly women of course, 602 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: but sometimes men who you know are weird posting like 603 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: being like like posting that clip of him doing in 604 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: lip sync battle, which, by the way, how is that 605 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: possible that that exists performing umbrella and people are like, 606 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: it's amazing because he's wearing girl clothes. And then which 607 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: I can't even get into that, which is own thing. 608 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: And then also having folks this rule, like I've now 609 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: seen people like you guys know the rule whenever you 610 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: see us on your timeline, you have to retweet it, 611 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: and like like straight women and weird straight men like 612 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: reposed being like always retweeting it, having that be like, 613 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: this is the one redeeming thing about this intrant about 614 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: the internet. It's this clip of Tom Holland. And it's 615 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: just like you don't, like, why don't you relax a 616 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: little bit and you need to know a little bit 617 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: more about some of the other stuff people are doing, 618 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: because I actually it doesn't you need to tell and 619 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: you need to not be so impressed by that. Try 620 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: to be a little cool and try to think about 621 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: something before you you say, oh my god, that's so amazing. 622 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Gay people are impressed too, but you don't. But that's okay. No, no, no, yeah, 623 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and that's why I of 624 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: course I know you mean mean. Gay people are impressed 625 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: by something. It's incredible and I love like a woman 626 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: cutting an apple, Yeah, that is amazing. Gay people will 627 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: show you a video of something and they're like, this 628 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: is amazing, and you're like, yeah, you're right, like that 629 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: this video of like this woman demonstrating like how to 630 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: palm read, You're like, it's incredible because she's a good 631 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: voice and other stuff. But so I want to say 632 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: one thing, which is what I thought you were going 633 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: to say, and of course we can run with that instead. 634 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, I agree exactly. I agree with 635 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: your assessment of the people being impressed, But what I 636 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: thought you were going to point to specifically is the 637 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: judge's reactions in the video. God yeah, like because what 638 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: happens in Lake Sync Battle, and this actually doesn't only 639 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: happen with the Tom Holland thing, which I do understand 640 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: in the moment, seeing Tom Holland do that is like 641 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: above and beyond what most people would do on that show. 642 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: But the thing that happens on that show is you 643 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: get like Alicia Silverstone coming out in her clueless look, 644 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: and then everyone acts as though she literally gave birth 645 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: to a giraffe. It is like literally, it's constant cuts 646 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: to Chrissie Teagan LLL cool J and who is the 647 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: other one? And no idea and third and they're literally 648 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: acted tears, tears running down their faces. Christie Teagan is 649 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: pulling off all her hair. She's bald, right right? And 650 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: for what because Alicia Silverstone wore a blazer? Right. I 651 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: feel like this happens to sometimes, like like straight people 652 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: will be really impressed by gay people, Like like a 653 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: gay person will be doing something and you're like, that's 654 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: not that amazing, that's normal for a gay guy. To Charlie. 655 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: We were talking about this on the beach. Really, remember 656 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: when we were talking about this is actually talk about 657 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: like not to quote your podcast, but it's like an 658 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: idea that that you could bring up. I feel yeah, 659 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: but the idea is straight people have bad taste and 660 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: gay people yes, oh my god, yes that's so true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 661 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: right that it's like, oh my god, that's so true. 662 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: Like like straight people when they like gay people, it's like, 663 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: why are you choosing that person? And you're choosing them 664 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: in a weird reason for weird in a weird way. Yeah, 665 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: Or it's like sometimes I will like sometimes I will 666 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: do something that is truly part of like, hm, the 667 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: language when I'm talking among my gay friends, for instance, 668 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: Like it's something I wouldn't even think of as being 669 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: interesting or unique or funny, and then someone will react 670 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: as though I have coined a catchphrase. Right, it's right, 671 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: it's actually like like really an early gay experience, right, 672 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: Like in an early way a lot of people interact 673 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: with gay people is being like like, oh my god, 674 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe you did that, And I actually does 675 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: feel really bad and like it doesn't really happen in 676 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: my life that much anymore, and so every time it does, 677 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on with you? Where you 678 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: are talking to me like that? Like that is so 679 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: I was talking when Natalie on my podcast No Disrespect 680 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: about like the experience of like someone else being enthusiastic 681 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: or like on a substance and you're not in that 682 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: like the idea of like waiting for somebody to finish 683 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: laughing about something, and how like that's so alienating, just 684 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: like as somebody's like winding down their laughter at something 685 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: you said and you're like, all right, I guess I 686 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: like count to five and sort of like like are 687 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: we are we good? Yeah? Like and you're sort of 688 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: like trying to like joy like right, so right, so anyway, 689 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: it was you know, like trying to jut in the 690 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: worst part of the version of that for me is 691 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: when they are trying to be so nice that they're 692 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: laughing at like the part that's not funny yet, and 693 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: then you're like, no, I'm let me finish, like like 694 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: like it's so angry, like why don't you hold on 695 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: and like you can be a little honest with me, 696 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: because actually, what what it says is like you're not 697 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: listening to me, like you actually don't care, and you're 698 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: just trying to like get this conversation to go as 699 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: pleasantly as possible, right exactly. Also, it is more common 700 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: than you think, and we've talked about this for someone 701 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: even a straight woman in to not have a gamel 702 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: friend and to be very excited when the media and 703 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: you think you think that doesn't exist anymore. Do you think, oh, 704 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, no, that's not that's so nineties. This is 705 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: a really classic. This is a classic, like selection bias 706 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: issue because I'm like, because but like all of my friends, 707 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: all of my straight girlfriends, they have a gay friend exactly, 708 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's like some of them missed the boat. Some 709 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: of them missed the boat. And then they'll say something 710 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: crazy like in college, this girl I knew, who I 711 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: thought was normal one time out of nowhere, was like, 712 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: should we should have a girl's night? To me, You're like, 713 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to 714 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: be doing that. We shouldn't have a girl's night because 715 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: you're like, also, first of all, I'm a boy. So 716 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: when you're like, I was actually offended because I believe 717 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: in I believe in gender, Like whoa you maybe you're 718 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: a girl, speak for yourself, funny yourself. So it's okay, wait, 719 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: I want to go back to the um Tom Holland 720 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: specifically the internet reaction thing. Yeah, okay, so you're talking 721 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: about like being part of the culture now where it's 722 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: like retweet this one, I retweet this one ever comes 723 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: on my timeline. Yeah, that to me is like like 724 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: straight tumbler culture, like sort of like like Nyan cat 725 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,479 Speaker 1: culture of like people with not full personalities, but being 726 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: like there's a community online like, I guess that's like 727 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: this type of humer I guess, you know, but I 728 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: also like a younger version of this. And I don't 729 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: know if this totally lines up with like straightness, but 730 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: I've had like an ax to grind against with um 731 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: the way like Ratatui and like informally Shrek are in 732 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: our culture. Charlie, do you remember when you pitched a 733 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: story think this as an article idea? Yeah, which, by 734 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: the way, I think it's all work. So I mean, 735 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: let's let's do a dry run here, Yeah exactly, I'll 736 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: circle back. I do think that after my last experience 737 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: with cogy, like don't want to pick something that will 738 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: be like feel mean spirited at all and people will 739 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: be like, I mean, this is genuinely being like if 740 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: you rely too much on the idea of like, oh, 741 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: this kind of random movie, like it's like when you're 742 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: a kid and you're like hot Chicken, you know what 743 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: I mean, It's like this fake pseudo random like I'm 744 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: just gonna use the reference that everybody explain the idea 745 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: for someone who doesn't know, like just like it's kind 746 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 1: of like Ratitui has become this meme right online where 747 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: it's like a really common fodder for like actual memes 748 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: for jokes. Right, Like there's all these YouTube videos that 749 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: it's a lens through which to to interpret the world, 750 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: much like Harry Potter before it, Right, but but it's 751 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more like it's I think it's a 752 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: lens sometimes, but it's really more of like a reference, 753 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like people like position 754 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: themselves in relation to it or like gesture to it 755 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: and like take the like whimsy of it. It's very 756 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: open mic. It's very open mic. It's like the first 757 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: reference to there's a whole like musical people like haw, 758 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be like during TikTok, like we're gonna make 759 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: this Ratitui musical. And part of it is like we're 760 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: taking this random kids movie that has this kind of 761 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: silly premise and we're gonna lie be really into it. 762 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: But it's like that's actually not funny anymore because everybody's 763 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: doing it, So why don't you choose another movie. It 764 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: made it all the way to the top because one 765 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: of these in everything everywhere all at once, and you 766 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: know what, no comment. So I was gonna ask for 767 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: a comment. Charlie and I will not to comment. I 768 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: can't comment on that. I was gonna say, Charlie, I 769 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: would comment comment. I thought like a lot of the 770 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: humor in that movie did that, and I didn't like it. 771 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: I liked the movie in other ways and I thought 772 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: it was engaging, but I also thought the emotional stakes 773 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: didn't totally work for me, and a lot of the humor. 774 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: I felt like the humor And I say, I agree 775 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: with you, Charlie that like some of some parts work 776 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 1: and something I'm not like, I'm not gonna be like 777 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: this kind of like you know, um, what's the word 778 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: like contrary and like I'm not like, actually everyone's wrong 779 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: and it sucks. Yeah, I thought it's totally fun. I thought. 780 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 1: I also thought, like the actors are incredible. I thought 781 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: total it was visually interesting whatever. But it is the 782 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: humor in that movie is the definition of straight humor. Yeah, 783 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: it is the definition of two straight guys with like fun. 784 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: Graphic Tease wrote this film right, actually, like the whole 785 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: butt plug scene. Actually really didn't like that. No, it's 786 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: class It's truly like yeah, yeah, I actually really feel 787 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: like it's like ha ha, here's something in his butt 788 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: that actually is not funny to me because by the 789 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: way that the kind of stuff can actually happen in 790 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: my life, so it's not so yeah, I don't I 791 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I liked I like the way it 792 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: was introduced that the awards were like so clearly but plugs, 793 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: and then it was sort of like I like that, 794 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: it was like the Chekhov's but plug almost of like 795 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna go in someone's but at some point. I 796 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: also talked about this in a recent Patreon app of 797 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: the fact that the movie brings back random because literally 798 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: the way you go from one world to the other, 799 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: it's doing something random. Yeah, And so so much of 800 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: the humor relies on what's the most random thing I 801 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: can think of? That's that's it's literally like random. And actually, 802 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go I don't. I 803 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: don't know if I would say lowest, But like, if 804 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna do random, it's like, you better show me 805 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: something random. You better like pull out something that I'm like, wow. 806 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Ratti where you're like, I'm 807 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: referencing this random movie and I'm like, I don't think 808 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: it's that random, because I've been hearing about it forever. 809 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: It's actually one of Pixar's most successful movie. Right. It 810 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: was the same thing that this happened again with B Movie, Right, 811 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: and they're all these you there was a thing on 812 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: YouTube where people would be like the B movie trailer 813 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: but every time they say, be like the pitch goes higher, 814 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: it speeds up, whatever, something like that, And it's like 815 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: this is like, choose another cultural object to like play with. Yeah, 816 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: maybe choose a a little known underground hit from from 817 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: the French New wave and make try to make a 818 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: movie with the dark Den Brothers. About how about Two Days, 819 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,479 Speaker 1: One Night with Marion coat Yard. She's a laid off 820 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 1: factory worker and she needs to convince all of her 821 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: colleagues to give up their bonus so that she can 822 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: keep her income. Maybe try to make a meme with 823 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: Sherry Baby staring Maggie Jill Hall. Well, especially the Shrek. 824 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 1: Shrek has been going on for so long, like yeah, 825 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: the Strek memes, and I still feel like people are like, 826 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: what's the deal, Like why does gen Z love Shrek? 827 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: And it's like I've been watching a decade of Shrek 828 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: memes like this is nothing new, and it's kind of 829 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: like driving me insane to keep why does gen z 830 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: love something? It's like you might as well truly open 831 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: your window and then decapitate yourself using it. Literally. Also, 832 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: just like generations, I'm against that. I don't think come on, 833 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: just like it's like think of a none new thing. 834 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,919 Speaker 1: Imagine how I try like the idea that like when 835 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: we were kids and I was watching like Blue Blues 836 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: or something, someone would be like, why does why does 837 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: gen millennial like the color blue? It's like, well, that's 838 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: what on TV? Because you forced me to write You're 839 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: like Also, it's just like I don't know if it 840 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: always holds up of like why does this? You know? 841 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: It's like oh every Honestly, often trends are really overstated. Okay, 842 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: wait can we go back to I want to go 843 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: back to being impressed being straight? So we agree that 844 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: I said I said this topwight. But it's like straight 845 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: people being impressed is what makes things go viral. It's like, 846 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: what do you know what straight people being impressed created? 847 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed dot com is a god? Why can't I think 848 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: of words? Today? Is a website? It's a website. No, 849 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: It's just like I'm trying to think it's not a church, 850 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: but like it is a it is a worship, a 851 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: place of worship for straight people looking to be impressed. 852 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's it's a crazy experience to find 853 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: yourself on BuzzFeed dot com reading an article like if. 854 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes every once in a while, I'll like go on 855 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: Twitter and it'll there'll be something where it'll be like, oh, 856 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: I actually do want to know that, or like got 857 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: me and it's the way the outline stuff. It'll be 858 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: like this crazy thing happened in this episode of TV, 859 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: and like I'll have to be completely empty of like 860 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: feeling or excitement, and I'll be like, sure, let me 861 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 1: click on it. And it'll be like like nine images long, 862 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: with like the caption being like, so we need to 863 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: talk about this. The next image, like something unbelievable happened 864 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: on the most recent episode of this bands are literally 865 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,399 Speaker 1: talking about it like it's crazy. Next image, some people 866 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: cannot even believe it happened. Next image. And then in 867 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,240 Speaker 1: the end it will be like this character got married. 868 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: It's like nine episode images down. No, but then after 869 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: that the next one will be like, yes, it's problematic 870 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: to confirmed to gender norms. They wearing a wedding dress, 871 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: but we still think she looked fabulous living for it. 872 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: But you also have to address like some niche that 873 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: no one asked them to. Oh my god, that's funny. 874 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think why being impressed is straight, and 875 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's just an that. It's like we're like, 876 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: all right, it is, and it feels like, so let's 877 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: support it. I mean like no, I really did, just 878 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: like I was like, I don't know, sure, No, this 879 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: is literally what our podcast is. It's it's it's completely 880 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: scientific and it's good argument making. Um, here's what I think. Okay, 881 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: two theories. One, it's that the gap between men and 882 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: women dating straight men and women dating is vast and 883 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: so yeah, to like find a middle ground, you have 884 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: to like be impressed by something, to be like to 885 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: project hey I'm fun, I like stuff, I'm a positive vibe. 886 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: So it's like I actually am obsessed with Shrek memes. Okay, 887 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: that's theory. One. Also that it's like like that their 888 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 1: meeting that they don't have the same Men and women 889 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: often don't have the same references, so it's like it's 890 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: like we can't bond over like oh yeah, we know 891 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: these things and we like can negotiate how we feel 892 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,359 Speaker 1: about these same things. It's like you love that thing, 893 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: I have no stake in it. I'm just gonna be like, 894 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: that's amazing. Maybe. And then the theory two is it 895 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: all stems from having children culture and sort of looking 896 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,919 Speaker 1: at a child and being like, isn't that amazing? They're 897 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: like writing, and I feel like we are like, yeah, 898 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: that's what you're supposed to do, Like you're supposed to write, 899 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: but and you're like, and by the way, he's mixing 900 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: metaphors and it's not actually working. And you think of 901 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: being impressed with children is a slippery slope to being 902 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: impressed with adults. I think it's like you have to 903 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: put your guard down, you like legally have to put 904 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: your guard down when you are a straight person well 905 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: and like be openly impressed with stuff in a way 906 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: that gay people don't necessarily have to play by those 907 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: same rules. And actually I think it's it's it's almost 908 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: like as much as straight people are impressed, it's really 909 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: more that like gay people are not impressed, and that 910 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: like there's a calculated like you know, cultural cash in 911 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: in being better than something or knowing something around, impressed 912 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: by something or having seen something already. It's like the 913 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: woman doing something on YouTube and then you're like wow, 914 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: or like a female vocal performance. But anything that's like 915 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: within like a surrounding cultural sphere, like anything that's not 916 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: like so far away that you can be like, yes, 917 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: we idolize that, Like anything that actually has to do 918 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: with like your peers, You're like, yeah, okay, they or 919 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: the instinct is rather than to consume, as is to analyze. 920 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: It's like you see Tom Holland and your mind immediately 921 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 1: goes to like why why is he doing this rather 922 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: than being impressed with what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah right, 923 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: and you're like what does this mean? And like what 924 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 1: is this in relation to me? Yeah, You're like wow, 925 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 1: this is such a spectacle, like like so he's performing 926 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: Rihanna for a straight audience. Are they laughing with him 927 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: or at him? Right? And also thinking about like what 928 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,359 Speaker 1: being impressed by something wouldn't look like on you, right, 929 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: Like there's a really like there's maybe a more conscious 930 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: talculus of like, yeah, this is my impression of a 931 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: strapers and being impressed, oh wow, and then this is 932 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: my mission of a gapers and being impressed. Okay, let's see. 933 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: Oh wow, like they first have to make the conscious 934 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: decision or it is it? Like is it like this 935 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: is just an impression of us talking about the movie. Like, No, 936 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: I liked it. Um, I thought it was interesting. I 937 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,919 Speaker 1: thought it was good. Um, I thought the way they 938 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: set up the reveal was really compelling. I didn't love 939 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 1: I found myself engaged the whole time. I mean, that's 940 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: what you're describing is so true and also drives me 941 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: insane sometimes. Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I'm just like it 942 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: would be so and we've talked about this before, but 943 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 1: it's like to just have like a simple like I 944 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: went on vacation and it was incredible, So it's like, oh, well, 945 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, the hotel was sort of this style and 946 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: like it was kind of like I really you know, 947 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: we did have one really good meal and like just like, 948 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: shut up, I was talking about this. Sorry again, but Natalie, 949 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: sorry for my podcast. This is stradio. Oh sorry, sorry, 950 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Um, well, we were talking about that thing. Actually, 951 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: this feels like a big thing in straight culture, but 952 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: actually maybe it's just everyone. But like the experience of 953 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: doing something with someone but not feeling secure enough in 954 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: the relationship to acknowledge that it was underwhelming. So like 955 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,439 Speaker 1: you're at dinner with someone and like the dinner was bad, 956 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: or like the conversation was bad, like the night overall 957 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: was just like mediocre, underwhelming and having to be like, no, 958 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 1: it was fun. You know, we're like with the person, 959 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: like you can't like just say to the person, You're 960 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: like this sucks, Like why can't we figure out something 961 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: to talk about? And that experience is so underscored when 962 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: you're like at a table on the table next to 963 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: you is like no, no, no, not like having an 964 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: amazing time. I don't know how that intersect everywhere. It well, 965 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: to go back to the straight couples thing, it is like, 966 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 1: especially when you over here like a first date, it 967 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: is just the goal is to make someone impressed with 968 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 1: something you're saying, but then you're also lying about being 969 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 1: impressed constantly. So it's just like you're from Nebraska, that movie, 970 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, okay, never mind, I feel like 971 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: it's going to be a genius point. Well, it's just 972 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: another thing. It's just talking about with Natalie, like fully, 973 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: just like bringing it here to be like it by 974 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: the way, but I'll go for it. No, yeah, I 975 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: think you have to. It's not obviously right. So it's 976 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: just the thing of like like the particular dating app 977 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:39,879 Speaker 1: culture of like making really bold proclamations about something, yes right, 978 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: being like if you if you don't think strawberries are 979 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 1: better than blueberries, don't now and match me now? I 980 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: match me now, right exactly, It's like, all right, come on. 981 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 1: I recently discovered that Florence Pugh's Instagram bio contains the 982 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: sentence said Zeki with everything dot dot dot true fact 983 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: or something like that. It actually really enjured her to 984 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: me because I can imagine her being like, okay and 985 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 1: a joke like I'm going to say an actress and 986 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,320 Speaker 1: the joke I have to have like a funny little 987 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. He definitely strikes me as a normal girl. 988 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah that is normal girl. Let's hope she is not 989 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 1: still dating Zach Braff. Actually, you know what, she can 990 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: do whatever the hell she wants. You don't police Florence. 991 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: I actually take I genuine I I forget I ever 992 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, that's the thing to me, like when 993 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: people are like like invested in stuff, I know that 994 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: that was me being that was straight people being impressed 995 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: culture was me Florence pe was dating Zach Braff. It's like, 996 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,919 Speaker 1: you know what, you know how everybody's been like, there's 997 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: been those treets that are like, it's crazy, Julia Roberts 998 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: is in the Stars show. My tweet is the one 999 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: that said that, oh really, but going okay, And so 1000 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm sort of saying I don't care, by the way, 1001 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah see, I'm gonna have to push back on that, 1002 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: because I do feel like to have Julia Roberts, like 1003 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: the platonic ideal of a movie star beyond a star 1004 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: show does make me feel like something has shifted. Yeah. Yeah, 1005 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: And my back on that, it's like I don't care 1006 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: that much about like whatever shifted. And ultimately you are right, 1007 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: like more correct to not care than to care, right, 1008 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the gate that's like, that's I'm 1009 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,359 Speaker 1: being straight and that I care about Julia Roberts. Not 1010 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: the streightest thing you're you're doing is caring about an actress. 1011 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 1: It's also like famously straight. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'm also 1012 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: in the not caring about Julia Roberts. I had no 1013 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: idea I missed this entire discourse. I think that's the 1014 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: issue is like imagine Julia Roberts doing something and no 1015 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: one cares. But I'm also like I'm having trouble with 1016 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: this in general, like so much is happening, and so 1017 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: much of it I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever, Like I'm 1018 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 1: kind of like, oh yeah, totally totally just oh my god. 1019 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: Do you remember michaela not impressed me? Now? That was 1020 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,319 Speaker 1: a game changer? Can I My experience of that was 1021 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: like every time Summer Olympics happen, I get like completely 1022 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,920 Speaker 1: obsessed with women's gymnastics, like like it actually changes my 1023 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,840 Speaker 1: brain chemistry for six months where it's like it's long 1024 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 1: after the Olympics, I'm watching it. I know, like the 1025 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: drama about the code of points on the US team, 1026 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: Like how think like really know all the performers. So 1027 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: I was like, like everybody's talking like ha ha, she 1028 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: made this funny face. I was like, well, she it's 1029 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,960 Speaker 1: like sucks that she got second, Like she was the 1030 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: best vaulter in the world and she like had a 1031 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: totally uncharacteristic fall and I was still reckoning with like 1032 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: she had never fallen in competition or was like known 1033 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: for very very rarely falling on like an event that is, 1034 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: it's totally normal to fall and it happens there the 1035 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: most prominent And I was like, how do you like 1036 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: make peace with that that, like everything sets you up 1037 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: for being winning the gold medal, but then you get 1038 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 1: the silver. But you still have the silver and that's 1039 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 1: amazing and you still were the best, but you don't 1040 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: get this kind of validation. And I was like, I 1041 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 1: feeling like that has been erased by the fact that 1042 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 1: like she's made this funny face, and I don't want 1043 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 1: that's not what's like totally do you know what I mean? No, yeah, 1044 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: it's like what actually happened is way more interesting than 1045 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 1: that she made a funny face, right, But I do 1046 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,640 Speaker 1: love you struggling with this as you're like the meme 1047 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: is going around and like no, stop, oh my god, nope, literally, 1048 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 1: no idea this is it's not BuzzFeed, damn it literally 1049 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,440 Speaker 1: commenting and like but also like conflicted because kind of 1050 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: grateful that like this person has attention, being paid per 1051 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: and being like, well, she deserves attention because she's a 1052 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: really incredible vaulter. Yeah, and like you know, all presses, 1053 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: press whatever, so yeah, yeah, and you know she did 1054 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: do Dancing with the Stars. She did do Dancing at 1055 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,440 Speaker 1: the Stars. That's so true, Like, and that's really straight culture. 1056 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,160 Speaker 1: But it's like something I'm grateful for. When I do 1057 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: care about actors, I'm like, I'm glad that they have 1058 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: something like going on for them, like that, it's good 1059 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,920 Speaker 1: that they're working. Okay, I know we talked about it slightly, 1060 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 1: but I do feel like we're bearing the lead a 1061 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 1: bit that like gay people are they're really impressed with 1062 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,520 Speaker 1: like women vocalists. Yeah, it's more than just like a 1063 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: little like no no, no no performer performers basically women performers 1064 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: of any kind, women performers of any kind. And if 1065 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: you're just like just like a woman with a job, 1066 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: that counts as performing. Like I can just be in 1067 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 1: the meeting and someone's on zoom and if she's wearing 1068 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 1: the right top, but that counts as her being a female. 1069 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, she's eating. And you know, the subtext of 1070 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: this is slightly sexist, So don't write it. We're not 1071 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: going to be addressing that. That's not really what this 1072 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: conversation is about. We don't want to think about that, honey, 1073 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: because we're just trying to have a little fun for 1074 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: once in our pathetic lives. Last night, I had dinner with, 1075 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 1: among other people, my boss, and she showed up wearing 1076 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,919 Speaker 1: this like very cute jacket, and I just was I could. 1077 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I was truly like, oh work, Like I didn't say anything, 1078 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: but I was like, I'm humilitying that I can't even 1079 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: just have a normal in rap with my butt without 1080 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: being like queen. It is a funny way of living. Well, 1081 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like you know when people say you're 1082 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: inner child, like that is a very specific thing for 1083 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 1: a game. And it's like you can literally have a 1084 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: PhD in um semiotics and still be affected by someone 1085 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: wearing a jacket. That's funny, I'm trying to think. It's 1086 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: also like I think of these things as like constellations 1087 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: or like a personal constellation, like it's an astrology almost 1088 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: of like these are mine, Like I have like ten 1089 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 1: videos on YouTube that are the ones that are mine, 1090 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: like that that that are important to me in some 1091 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: way or that they feel like really important like totems 1092 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: to me. And it's not like they like represent me, 1093 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: like they're not like, oh these things is tell you 1094 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: something about myself, but it's like it feels important to 1095 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: me that I have them. Are you saying you're more 1096 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,720 Speaker 1: like intentional about what impression impresses you rather than um, No, 1097 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: it's just just like a more intentional in comparison to 1098 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: who straight people maybe, or maybe it's like more it 1099 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: does feel like it's like my me being impressed as 1100 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: like a little bit deeper or like the feeling is 1101 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,880 Speaker 1: a little bit deeper. And by the way, that might 1102 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 1: not be wrong, that might not be right, but that 1103 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: is what it feels like. Yeah, it's like, oh, you're 1104 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: impressed with like Tom Holland, how do you try watching 1105 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Jasmine Sullivan saying Home from the Whiz and guess what, 1106 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 1: she's nine years old. Yeah, if you're impressed with Tom Holland, 1107 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: try watching Jasmine Sullivan. Yeah. Literally, literally, it's like, why 1108 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: don't you read a book? And the book is a 1109 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 1: YouTube video and it's Jasmine Sullivan. She's eleven and she's 1110 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 1: amazing the YouTube thing that this is slightly unreliab, but 1111 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,720 Speaker 1: you do think is you do have those videos that 1112 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,240 Speaker 1: are huge for you, and then no one will ever 1113 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: be able to like understand, no one will You'll never 1114 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: be able to like show it to someone and have 1115 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,800 Speaker 1: them get it get it right exactly or like you 1116 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: do and it's like so special, but it's rare and 1117 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: like so often you try to do it and it's 1118 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: like cool. Yeah, but that is a thing that gave 1119 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,000 Speaker 1: people love to do, is they come together and they 1120 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: share YouTube videos. I would argue straight people do that 1121 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,959 Speaker 1: as well. We'll gave people. Yeah, not only gave people 1122 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,240 Speaker 1: do that. But I only happen to know this one 1123 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: example of like a kind of people who will do 1124 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 1: this thing. But you are right, Like why I think 1125 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: it's I don't want to say that, like I'm wrong. No, 1126 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: please never admit to that. Yeah, And I wouldn't. I 1127 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't say something like that. But I do think you 1128 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,439 Speaker 1: bring up a really compelling point, Sam, they gave people 1129 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 1: are really impressed by stuff too. I just think it's 1130 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, after our most recent episode and we talked 1131 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: about bands, and that's a really smart point. By the way, 1132 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: people were mad at us. Wait really, oh the rioting, 1133 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Well listen to be fair and I would never admit 1134 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: to a mistake, but I do think, well, we were right, 1135 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 1: but that yeah, but like you really have to suspend 1136 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of disbelief to like be fully on board 1137 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: with everything we were saying, what were you saying? Beyond? 1138 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,880 Speaker 1: It was just very much like we were just in 1139 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,120 Speaker 1: the mood where we couldn't we like truly couldn't think 1140 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: of bands. Like it was like I was like trying 1141 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 1: to think I was. Matt came in very strong and 1142 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: it was like, bands are straight. Haven't heard since I 1143 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,600 Speaker 1: came out, haven't said the word band, haven't listened to 1144 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 1: a single band. And they were like, you know, agreeing, 1145 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, like going along with it whatever. At one 1146 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: point we're like, well, you know, there are some bands, 1147 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,760 Speaker 1: and then we just couldn't think of any and I 1148 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 1: googled bands and so then people were like messaging us 1149 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: being like, actually this clear band is love that. Actually 1150 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: it was like yeah, but it's like you know what 1151 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like the general bands. Yeah, it's like the 1152 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: thing that's straight about bands is like imagine the idea 1153 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,479 Speaker 1: of the Battle of the Bands, or the idea of 1154 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,040 Speaker 1: like the moans, like it simply is talking about like 1155 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 1: straight culture, like it's straight culture. Of course there's going 1156 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 1: to be like a queer movement within those bands of 1157 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 1: interlopers with in straight culture, right, I mean, bands are 1158 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: so straight? Freddie Mercury became a straight the front end 1159 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 1: of a straight band. Yeah. I also think that's funny 1160 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 1: and interesting that people were like, that's wrong about that, 1161 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 1: which feels actually a lot truer than a lot of 1162 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: the stuff that we've been talking about. And maybe that's 1163 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 1: not true, but I actually disagree. I think everything we've 1164 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,000 Speaker 1: been talking about is very very on point. Yeah, I 1165 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,040 Speaker 1: think it's true, and I think I think you know, 1166 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there won't be backlash, but you know, 1167 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 1: there was backlash when it was said that the Earth 1168 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,400 Speaker 1: was not the center of un There's gonna be a 1169 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of backlash from gay people who are impressed. They're like, 1170 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm impressed, oh right, that I forgot the word impressed. 1171 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 1: And then it's like MICHAELA is not impressed. That's what, Yeah, 1172 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, yeah I didn't like I did you 1173 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,439 Speaker 1: just think I brought it up for no reason. Yeah. 1174 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 1: I think like it was like all the like Michael, 1175 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 1: It's like it was called the not impressed me right, Yeah, 1176 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 1: like MICHAELA is not impressed. It was not impressed, and 1177 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: that is true. Like that is often how gay people are, Like, 1178 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: that's how I am with a lot of stuff. Well, 1179 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 1: we oftentimes model our facial expressions after MICHAELA. She's big 1180 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: for me, um Shest my north star. She actually did 1181 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 1: do something very cool recently with the flip. No, well, 1182 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,800 Speaker 1: i'd actually try. Yeah, she's incredibly I mean, just to 1183 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,680 Speaker 1: be clear, those girls I can't even talk about without 1184 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: literally burns stick into terrace. No exactly, and yeah, I 1185 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: can't even Yeah, first Olympics where the ethics of it 1186 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,920 Speaker 1: got to me after so many years of trying to 1187 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,440 Speaker 1: just power through it. And I'm like something shifted, Like 1188 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,640 Speaker 1: the Olympics were always the one thing where I turned 1189 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: my brain off against my own better judgment, like I 1190 01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,920 Speaker 1: forced you know, and it and this year I was 1191 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: like no, yeah, and kind of on like a lot 1192 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: of levels. Right, It's like that the Olympics has always 1193 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,160 Speaker 1: been right, like it's so shitty in so many different ways, 1194 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: and yeah, but it is like, oh it's it is 1195 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,680 Speaker 1: fun and for some reason me too, I allowed myself 1196 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 1: to be like and then specifically with women's gymnastics, Yeah, 1197 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 1: it's it's That's why I was like telling Sam, I'm 1198 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: like I should just not to say that provisional sports 1199 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,680 Speaker 1: are much better. But it's like I'll just get into 1200 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: the NBA. That's slightly better than the Olympics. I'll get 1201 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: my my fix of sports pageantry. Sam, you look so confused. No, 1202 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 1: I was trying to think, did something unethical happened with 1203 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,960 Speaker 1: the NA Well I didn't. I mean NFL. I'm like, 1204 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,880 Speaker 1: NFL is the unethical one. Oh yeah, yeah, something the 1205 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: more unethical one. People do. People like the NBA for 1206 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: some reason. I've had so many opportunities to get into it, 1207 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,560 Speaker 1: and it is just like I cannot You can't get impressed. 1208 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 1: I just can't get impressed by it, even though I 1209 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 1: know and like I have people like like have explained 1210 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,440 Speaker 1: to me why it's so impressive. It's so hard. The 1211 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,920 Speaker 1: pageantry of it, it does seem like it's funny. There's 1212 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,760 Speaker 1: like the culture round it is funny. Getting to know 1213 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: that the queens that are playing seems yeah, personalities they did. 1214 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 1: If they did like a meet the Queen's video before 1215 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 1: each game, maybe I get more into it. Oh and 1216 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: if they're like I'm known for like being like this 1217 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: online and like the scandal happened with me in and 1218 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,760 Speaker 1: like I'm kind of like exciting in this way, and 1219 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,720 Speaker 1: it's like that would be really could at least like 1220 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,120 Speaker 1: each have a few pieces of flare on their totally uniform. 1221 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,360 Speaker 1: Would it kill you to wear a damn wig? Oh 1222 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 1: my god, kill you to wear the like the like 1223 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: the British platform boots that genders By wears while playing basketball, 1224 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Like it actually would not kill you and it would 1225 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 1: actually make it really impressive. There's also like never mind, wait, 1226 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,560 Speaker 1: I forgot, oh no, I have it Okay. Recently the 1227 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 1: gym saw on TV like one of those Sports Center 1228 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: shows where they're like talking really serious about basketball, and 1229 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 1: it's it's like they really it's like it matters to them, 1230 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Like it's really like they're talking about it, like no, 1231 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he has. And they're 1232 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 1: also like projecting about the future like what will happen 1233 01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,600 Speaker 1: based on what has happened, And it's like about like 1234 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,320 Speaker 1: people playing basketball, and it's like why do you, like 1235 01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,160 Speaker 1: why do you just like take a deep breath and 1236 01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,840 Speaker 1: just wait and see, like this does not matter, and 1237 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,560 Speaker 1: like debating about something that like it's like a probability, 1238 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 1: Like they're like, I think it's three quarters of a 1239 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,439 Speaker 1: chance that you can do it. I think it's like 1240 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 1: four fifths and it's like yeah, and they have to 1241 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,599 Speaker 1: a little mini controversies. One of them is like here 1242 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,280 Speaker 1: he goes right. This is like for me watching it 1243 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,439 Speaker 1: like on TV, like with captions, like for like two minutes, 1244 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, I cannot believe people are taking 1245 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,040 Speaker 1: this so seriously. It's like have a little fun, like 1246 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't matter, it's like a game. Yeah, 1247 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,920 Speaker 1: this is right exactly. Oh my god. I wanted to 1248 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: say something else, but I can't remember. Was it about Natalie? 1249 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,720 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's something you were talking about. We were 1250 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,280 Speaker 1: talking about Natalie Natalie, and I said, that sounds right, 1251 01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,240 Speaker 1: that sounds like me. I would say something like that, 1252 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 1: I actually can talk about this topic for like another 1253 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,120 Speaker 1: three hours, like being impressed versus yeah, Like I feel 1254 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: like we actually have We've said a lot, but I'm like, 1255 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: it's there's also an element of like, you know when 1256 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,120 Speaker 1: people talk about like Dad, you know, like, oh, that's 1257 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,400 Speaker 1: such a dad thing, like dad jokes, Like I feel 1258 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: like being impressed is such a dad impulse. Like it 1259 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 1: like I was recently on the engage with my dad 1260 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 1: and we found a store that only sold tinned fish 1261 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,479 Speaker 1: and he walked in and I sort of got almost 1262 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,080 Speaker 1: like shot himself, like he was like I cannot believe, 1263 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,719 Speaker 1: like and he then bought so many tins of fish 1264 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 1: that he ended up having to purchase a branded tote 1265 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,479 Speaker 1: bag that to put them all in, and then walked up. 1266 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,880 Speaker 1: But he was like truly like a kid in a 1267 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 1: candy store, right right. I feel like the gay response 1268 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: is like you've never seen a store that only sells 1269 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,479 Speaker 1: tin or or it's really tinned fish craze is so stupid, 1270 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,400 Speaker 1: right exactly. It's like, yeah, okay, like the article like yeah, 1271 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 1: haw girls eat tin fish, Yeah exactly where you are 1272 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,920 Speaker 1: tripping and falling face first into it. Yeah, yeah, that's 1273 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,360 Speaker 1: so true. So it's also like a childlike thing. And 1274 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: there's a certain level of like the gay person you 1275 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,720 Speaker 1: have to grow up, and a straight person you can 1276 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,840 Speaker 1: choose whether you want to grow up or not. Like 1277 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: to be gay, you have to be kind of like worldly, 1278 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, Oh, I guess maybe Also the ways that 1279 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: gay people are impressed, it's like there's more of an 1280 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,719 Speaker 1: insistence that it's like justified, and maybe like a delusional 1281 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: insistence that it's justified. But it's like you don't understand, 1282 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: Like I've seen every YouTube video, and I know that 1283 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,240 Speaker 1: this performance. It's like you think that's the best performance 1284 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: and I will always love you. You're kidding. You haven't 1285 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,240 Speaker 1: watched this one. You more on like this one's the 1286 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,479 Speaker 1: best performance, right, Like I know, I know everything. I've 1287 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 1: seen everything, and I've curated every you know, like where 1288 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,320 Speaker 1: straight people are more contentious to be like I'm seeing 1289 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: something right now, that's okay. I I know what the 1290 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 1: connective tissue is. It's that you have to work harder 1291 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: to impress a gay person. So when you do, they're like, really, 1292 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,439 Speaker 1: oh now you got this? Is it the one out 1293 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,360 Speaker 1: of a hundred things that is going to impress me? 1294 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,760 Speaker 1: So now I'm really impressed. So people are like constantly 1295 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,360 Speaker 1: like you know, kind of like jumping up and down 1296 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 1: on their high chair and like throwing peas and burning 1297 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: trees everywhere because like someone walked in wearing a fun hat, right, 1298 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,639 Speaker 1: you see like a Broadway Like a stray person sees 1299 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,360 Speaker 1: a Broadway musical and they're like, wow, that production is incredible, 1300 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 1: and a gay person is like they like she was 1301 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:49,000 Speaker 1: not cast right exactly? Well, I love oh my god, 1302 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: I did this. Reously was something I watched where I 1303 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,080 Speaker 1: love using like a stupidly and um kind of grave wording, 1304 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,320 Speaker 1: like I was like, go very casually, I go, well, 1305 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: she was fun the mentally miscast. Yeah, sorry, Katrina are 1306 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: I mean, who else? What were we talking about? Right, 1307 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,720 Speaker 1: We're talking about Katrina talking about like a Broadway show. 1308 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,120 Speaker 1: Someone's miscast. I mean, hi, sorry, Katraina. She's a listener. Yeah, 1309 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,439 Speaker 1: she's a listener. She doesn't get any of the jokes. 1310 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,599 Speaker 1: It would also have a great energy. I'm like, I like, 1311 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,200 Speaker 1: like literally me seeing company was being like, look like 1312 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I actually thought she was charismatic, Like I don't totally 1313 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,760 Speaker 1: give her that. She didn't have that. She didn't she 1314 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have a voice for it. And it's uncomfortable, you know, 1315 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,479 Speaker 1: like like having that, like being like I'm an expert. 1316 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,639 Speaker 1: It's like you did musical theater literally twelve years ago, 1317 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Like and that's that. You're like being like her range 1318 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,320 Speaker 1: is not it's not right for it. That's what do 1319 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,360 Speaker 1: you know? I'll pretend? Well, yeah, I mean that's one 1320 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: of the great choice of life is being able to 1321 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 1: judge stuff that you don't do and her have any 1322 01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 1: hand in. Yeah, like ability for and it is one 1323 01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,120 Speaker 1: of the ways you can take advantage of the fact 1324 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 1: that straight people have taste and gay people as you 1325 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,800 Speaker 1: can be like okay, well I'll embrace that and just 1326 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,160 Speaker 1: kind of like fast life because it's going to get 1327 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: me further than it would. You know. It's like, yeah, 1328 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: I guess if you think queer eye is good, then 1329 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,479 Speaker 1: like I can just kind of like have my catchphrase 1330 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,760 Speaker 1: can literally be like let's close the book on that one, 1331 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: and then you'll literally like have a heart attack. Wait. 1332 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,639 Speaker 1: It's like the most the funniest, one of the funniest 1333 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,639 Speaker 1: things I've seen on TV Cape Berland in the other 1334 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,439 Speaker 1: two as the agent, I'm gagging for you, Paget, gagging 1335 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,160 Speaker 1: for you, pag it. So I remember when I met 1336 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,400 Speaker 1: with an agent for the first time and I said 1337 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,160 Speaker 1: at one point like, yeah, we got a problem. I said. 1338 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 1: I was like it was something of the tone of 1339 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 1: like I don't think so, honey, But it was not 1340 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,600 Speaker 1: that like it was like no thanks or something, but 1341 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: it said in a way and did it was like, okay, 1342 01:13:52,479 --> 01:14:00,719 Speaker 1: that's the name of your first special. It's not good 1343 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,240 Speaker 1: wait I mean this, yeah, I can't. So it was 1344 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,800 Speaker 1: it was not to be a bit What was I 1345 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,200 Speaker 1: doing saying that you know what that is on me. 1346 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,000 Speaker 1: I know, like I was catering to that response to God, 1347 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,479 Speaker 1: if we're talking about industry being gay weird. One time 1348 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,479 Speaker 1: I went to a meeting in l A with this 1349 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,640 Speaker 1: like development lady and I never met her before. It 1350 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 1: was in l A. She's definitely never seen me perform, 1351 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 1: like completely just meeting her. She walks in and just 1352 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:34,040 Speaker 1: like I love you so much, like I think you 1353 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,960 Speaker 1: are so incredible, and like I want to work with 1354 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,600 Speaker 1: you so so bad. Oh my gosh, I do have 1355 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 1: a meeting in fifteen minutes, and so I actually do 1356 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: have to go right now, and I just want to 1357 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,519 Speaker 1: say I'm so sorry. I love you so so much. 1358 01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is absurd. It felt like 1359 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,760 Speaker 1: it was like sex in the city. Like it was like, 1360 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,680 Speaker 1: this is a parody of l A. This is crazy. Wait, 1361 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,559 Speaker 1: that's funny. You're like you're re sponsor, Like okay, I'm obsessed. Yeah, 1362 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, You're like, okay, we're going out later. You're like, Queen, 1363 01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: we have to talk best Dealert, best dealer, best dealer, Charlie. 1364 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,639 Speaker 1: It's crazy that you say not to be a bit 1365 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,720 Speaker 1: because the other day I almost posted you know how 1366 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,000 Speaker 1: that book. Then Atanya, who's just one the Pulitzer. Yes, 1367 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,400 Speaker 1: I cannot, for the life of me understand what it's about. 1368 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: I started it yesterday and it's like, okay, so is 1369 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,799 Speaker 1: it about then? Now who's is it about? Like Israel? 1370 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,599 Speaker 1: But it's not. And then someone was like, no, it's 1371 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,719 Speaker 1: about a professor. And I wanted to I just wanted 1372 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,840 Speaker 1: to post like not to be a bit, but what 1373 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,280 Speaker 1: is the is about? And I didn't because I was like, 1374 01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: not to be a bitch is over? Yeah you can't. Yeah, 1375 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean it was over when when you said it 1376 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: at that meeting, I killed it. I also think sometimes 1377 01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,840 Speaker 1: maybe this is like a little bit drifting in topic. 1378 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: I think we've drifted plenty money at this point if 1379 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,960 Speaker 1: you think of what you've said, hasn't been drifting whatever? 1380 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Um like like a thing people do online sometimes, and 1381 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,000 Speaker 1: it feels like with that book, maybe is doing that 1382 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,960 Speaker 1: is like deliberately making something hard to parse and people 1383 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 1: are like, I love it because I don't want to 1384 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: admit that they don't know what it is. And actually 1385 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 1: it's like, this is not substantial, it's just confusing, and 1386 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,400 Speaker 1: the confusing thing is not actually generative or interesting or 1387 01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: like compelling or oh my god. People do this all 1388 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: the time, where they're like say something political online obliquely, 1389 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 1: like and with no supporting evidence or like no context 1390 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,719 Speaker 1: for it, and you'll be like, what are you talking about? 1391 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,680 Speaker 1: And now I feel stupid for disagreeing with that, But 1392 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, like why you would say that, you 1393 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, coming a great example. I'm kind 1394 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: of doing that part the first party in the second part. 1395 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,960 Speaker 1: This is like such a classic issue with um spend 1396 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 1: time online because you so clearly have seen, you know, 1397 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 1: twenty five examples today of the thing you're talking about, 1398 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,200 Speaker 1: but you can't remember any of them specifically. You know 1399 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,360 Speaker 1: it's something, but but like you know, like I know 1400 01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,599 Speaker 1: this is a thing. Yes, it's like it's an affect, 1401 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,280 Speaker 1: it's a it's a sensibility. It's like a thing, and 1402 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,320 Speaker 1: to you, it's like the thing that annoyed you the most, 1403 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: like today or this week, right right here, and it's 1404 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,479 Speaker 1: like it happens to me all the time. We're like 1405 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,519 Speaker 1: when you try to describe it, then suddenly it almost 1406 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,760 Speaker 1: like bounces back at you. It like reveals you as 1407 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: the person being mad about something that's indescribable. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1408 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: You're like, people are like, sorry, so the thing you're 1409 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,200 Speaker 1: mad about is like people not being specific with the 1410 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: weapon sing like right, So don't so ignore that that 1411 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,040 Speaker 1: part of what I said and go back to the 1412 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,040 Speaker 1: first part, which you guys did connect with, which I 1413 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,519 Speaker 1: forgot what it was. It was making something so confusing 1414 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,120 Speaker 1: that people assume it's like high brow and oh yeah, 1415 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 1: I totally agree. Yeah yeah that. Oh my god, people 1416 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,639 Speaker 1: weapon nice things being confusing. I have something controversial to say. 1417 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,400 Speaker 1: What Charlie, I was gonna say, go off, and then 1418 01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,040 Speaker 1: I got in my way. I self sabotaged. You're more 1419 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:17,400 Speaker 1: of a hater than I paid you for. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1420 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think I haven't seen nothing yet. To 1421 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: the beach with this one and get a system. I 1422 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,719 Speaker 1: always thought. I thought, oh, Charlie, that's sweet, sensitive ball 1423 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,639 Speaker 1: of sunshine. Really And now I'm here and I'm saying, 1424 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 1: this boy is a man and guess what. He's got 1425 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,840 Speaker 1: teeth and he's mad, and he's got teeth and he's 1426 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,639 Speaker 1: angry and he's taking no prisoners and he's actually upset 1427 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: about well, you know what what it's like, it's it's 1428 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,679 Speaker 1: totally I'm actually mad about stuff all the time. I'm 1429 01:18:55,720 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 1: super judgmental, I'm super critical, and I very deliberately don't 1430 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,680 Speaker 1: share it online because I actually find that it is 1431 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,639 Speaker 1: it wouldn't make me vulnerable. But more than that, it's 1432 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,960 Speaker 1: like it's annoying when people, like when people are so 1433 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,439 Speaker 1: critical all the time. I'm like, I'm gonna keep this 1434 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,960 Speaker 1: private and keep it a little, you know what I mean. 1435 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,519 Speaker 1: I don't want to also actually because I know that 1436 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 1: it feels really bad to hear something critical about yourself 1437 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: and it's like people will see it. Yeah, but so 1438 01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,160 Speaker 1: do it on a podcast a podcast, But a podcast 1439 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,760 Speaker 1: is like it's like private, you know what I mean, Like, well, 1440 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,000 Speaker 1: and you can't screenshot it, which is I think actually 1441 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,040 Speaker 1: the beauty of podcast, right, Like what someone's gonna be 1442 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,800 Speaker 1: like this he said this, and by the way, they 1443 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: might but I'm not saying anything so egregious. They're like, look, 1444 01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,320 Speaker 1: he has actually a worse attitude than we thought. You know, 1445 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,120 Speaker 1: it's like you're canceled because guilty you have a worse 1446 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:49,800 Speaker 1: attitude than people find. Yeah, that's that's cancellable. Yeah, I work. 1447 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,479 Speaker 1: I mean Also, it's like it comes in and out, 1448 01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 1: like sometimes I have a really good attitude, but recently 1449 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,679 Speaker 1: these days it's like I am like resentful, like angry 1450 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,720 Speaker 1: about stuff. I'm constantly being like mad about people, like 1451 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,479 Speaker 1: like being like their work is mediocre, it's uninteresting and 1452 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,439 Speaker 1: they're getting rewarded for it, and if they're fundamentally miscast, 1453 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,720 Speaker 1: they're fundamentally miscast a lot. I'm saying that a lot 1454 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people. I love that No, and actually 1455 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,599 Speaker 1: wouldn't haven't said anything about you guys. Ever, I can't 1456 01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,040 Speaker 1: say that about everybody, and I would love to actually offline, 1457 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to say anything specific unless I 1458 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,600 Speaker 1: already have about people. Yeah, no, I don't have it. 1459 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,240 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you want to ask me 1460 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,840 Speaker 1: in person, and this is open to anybody, I'll say 1461 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,679 Speaker 1: anything one on one, no worries. If you recognize Charlie 1462 01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,120 Speaker 1: on the street, go up to him and be like, 1463 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,880 Speaker 1: what's the tea? Like, I think this person I don't 1464 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,280 Speaker 1: understand why they got that role. This person writes for 1465 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,840 Speaker 1: this thing, and that's crazy to me. I don't think 1466 01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,960 Speaker 1: their work is very interesting at all. Have a hard 1467 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,200 Speaker 1: time Tod and his president. It's not even a good student. 1468 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,160 Speaker 1: What is derivative people in politics talk like that about 1469 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,680 Speaker 1: what an other where they're like her, I mean, how 1470 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,000 Speaker 1: could you not? Yeah, but it's I'm I'm going based 1471 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,720 Speaker 1: on VEEP totally and I'm like, yes, but it's a 1472 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,880 Speaker 1: little different, Like the things I talked about are like, oh, 1473 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,360 Speaker 1: that person is like like nobody cares about the work. 1474 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,519 Speaker 1: It's like that's very true. Yeah, it's a bunch of 1475 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,360 Speaker 1: little careerists who need to go back to their politics 1476 01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,880 Speaker 1: m f A programs and get some skills. Be funny, 1477 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,200 Speaker 1: if that's what you did, you have to like if like, yeah, 1478 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,160 Speaker 1: to be like a civil servant, you had to like 1479 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,160 Speaker 1: you're really rigorous long schooling process. But specifically in the arts, 1480 01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,000 Speaker 1: it's like you have to write a political speech. But 1481 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:44,040 Speaker 1: then people are like, right, like experimental ones, Yeah, totally. 1482 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,799 Speaker 1: Well that's validating to hear in some ways we're not validating, 1483 01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,519 Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's good that I'm like that, 1484 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,720 Speaker 1: but it's nice to know that I'm being seen. But 1485 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,200 Speaker 1: also it's also nice to know that I've tricked people 1486 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,360 Speaker 1: too that feel scared you Definitely, I feel tricked. I 1487 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,920 Speaker 1: feel I'm very surprised, like because you I kind of 1488 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,800 Speaker 1: know who the haters are and I feel like like 1489 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,160 Speaker 1: the little sharks in the water and I feel like, oh, 1490 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,760 Speaker 1: be careful of that one. They probably hate you. And 1491 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, yeah that's amateur, you know 1492 01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. You can't let them know. Yeah, is 1493 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: this like so evil? It's like I don't, No, it's not, 1494 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,920 Speaker 1: it's not. Who cares. It's actually very funny something that 1495 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:28,479 Speaker 1: you're having this reaction. I feel, Yeah, where is that 1496 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,760 Speaker 1: coming from? No, I think I feel personally self conscious. 1497 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: I think something I'm going through right now is feeling 1498 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,760 Speaker 1: self conscious about where I stand and what my what 1499 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,760 Speaker 1: my output is like. So I just feel like you're 1500 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,240 Speaker 1: in such a good place. Yeah to me, your beloved 1501 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,960 Speaker 1: by man, but by everybody. Well that's sweet. Um, But yeah, 1502 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 1: I think I've been feeling and yeah, I'm just sort 1503 01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,479 Speaker 1: of like, I think I'm very self conscious about being 1504 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:57,559 Speaker 1: hack or boring or something. And so I'm I'm like, oh, 1505 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,679 Speaker 1: like I'm almost like okay, so that's over, Okay, okay, 1506 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,080 Speaker 1: so okay in a way that I'm like, fu fuck. 1507 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think we might be heading into a 1508 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,960 Speaker 1: summer of you know, how we talk about eras of 1509 01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:14,160 Speaker 1: consumption and production I kind of think I'm I'm ready 1510 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,679 Speaker 1: to enter a summer of consumpt of really like taking 1511 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:22,040 Speaker 1: in things and replacing some of my old sensibility or 1512 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,759 Speaker 1: not sensibilities with some of my old habits with new ones, 1513 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:31,000 Speaker 1: some new ideas. Like I really feel depleted of creative 1514 01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,479 Speaker 1: energy in a way I haven't in a while. Me too, 1515 01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,960 Speaker 1: especially because it's like, like so much of what I 1516 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: do creatively is like thinking about selling stuff and like 1517 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,679 Speaker 1: you know, like how it works in a market, which 1518 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,080 Speaker 1: is just like horrible. It's it's like such a like 1519 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: I had this experience where I was looking back at 1520 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,160 Speaker 1: my Instagram from like when I was in college, and 1521 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,439 Speaker 1: I really was just like posting like pictures of like 1522 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,040 Speaker 1: worms that I thought were funny, and I was like like, oh, 1523 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,599 Speaker 1: I was really like inspired, like I would be like, 1524 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,400 Speaker 1: but I was like it wasn't like didn't it wasn't 1525 01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,439 Speaker 1: like successful, but actually in the end it was. It 1526 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 1: was like, because I think comedy works really well when 1527 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,840 Speaker 1: you bring people to where you are right and you're 1528 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,200 Speaker 1: so compelling and you're like I actually have a vision 1529 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,840 Speaker 1: and I insist that this is funny and like I'll 1530 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,200 Speaker 1: make you see it this way. As opposed to being like, 1531 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,880 Speaker 1: what do you guys think it'sunny? I'm gonna like try 1532 01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,200 Speaker 1: to do that, And I don't feel like I have 1533 01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,960 Speaker 1: as much right now of the thinking of like what 1534 01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,200 Speaker 1: is the stuff that like I am thinking it was 1535 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,600 Speaker 1: funny in the world. Well, honey, try working at a 1536 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,040 Speaker 1: website where you can see exactly how many people ready 1537 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,800 Speaker 1: each post Oh my god, toxic. I mean I guess 1538 01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,479 Speaker 1: that is also like Twitter really does that too. You're like, 1539 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 1: oh yeah. But sometimes I feel like I've been successful 1540 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,160 Speaker 1: at that where I'm like, I'm actually gonna like keep 1541 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,360 Speaker 1: doing this joke until people get it. And then people 1542 01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,519 Speaker 1: do get it and you're like, yeah, you got it. 1543 01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,040 Speaker 1: That's nice. I'm like, well they failed. It failed. Delete 1544 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,960 Speaker 1: delete it out to me every time I try to 1545 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,679 Speaker 1: post a sucking video realiliating, yeah, I just don't get it. 1546 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Like I just can't do a good video. It's like 1547 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the timing doesn't work for me. I mean, you have 1548 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:12,760 Speaker 1: to be an amazing doing a lip sync. Can I 1549 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,559 Speaker 1: say something, I'm gonna solt launch. I have a lip 1550 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,720 Speaker 1: sync video that I'm gonna make. Yeah, you know what 1551 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,519 Speaker 1: it is. It's me lip syncing. Um one of Ryan 1552 01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 1: Seacrest's intros to American idol. Oh that's a good one. 1553 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,600 Speaker 1: And the bit is that, you know how it's like 1554 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,960 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no, no, no, no no no. So 1555 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,200 Speaker 1: it's like I've made that really long and it gets 1556 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,439 Speaker 1: like really scary, and like it starts getting replaced by 1557 01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:40,560 Speaker 1: screams and I'm just like standing there smiling. I don't know. No, 1558 01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,280 Speaker 1: I love that justin sure to wear a wig. But 1559 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:45,840 Speaker 1: that's the whole thing of what you make a video. 1560 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,320 Speaker 1: You have to have all this production and it's like, 1561 01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a produce. I can't do that. 1562 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean literally, the production of like putting a phone 1563 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,599 Speaker 1: in front of you is so much work. It's like, okay, 1564 01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,719 Speaker 1: now I'm like committed, Like now I have a call time. 1565 01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,760 Speaker 1: It's like this is so absurd. And also it'll be like, oh, 1566 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,040 Speaker 1: it's not funny because like the background is weird or something. 1567 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,640 Speaker 1: This has become so like and so like we have 1568 01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,479 Speaker 1: gone from discussing like how the entire world works to 1569 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,640 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to make a video. So I'm 1570 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,439 Speaker 1: actually very grateful for this ending portion because I was 1571 01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,080 Speaker 1: like I was craving a little um. I was craving 1572 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,280 Speaker 1: some humanity. I was craving some connection, and I actually 1573 01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,160 Speaker 1: feel we got it. We're talking out, We're now, we're 1574 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,679 Speaker 1: talking to each other. I didn't realize I was lacking 1575 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:34,400 Speaker 1: humanity a link. Wow, the feeling when you're a gay guy. 1576 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,559 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's actually sometimes like you just are 1577 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,080 Speaker 1: a gay guy, such a gay guy, and it's amazing. 1578 01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:47,360 Speaker 1: It's so nice, it's so nice, it's refreshing. It's good. Yeah. Yeah, 1579 01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,400 Speaker 1: it legit rocks as long as an evil gay guy 1580 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,639 Speaker 1: on the internet doesn't find it and then comments like 1581 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,880 Speaker 1: this is exactly why I know. I yeah, did that 1582 01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,879 Speaker 1: happen to you guys? Definitely my head all the time? Right, yeah, 1583 01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,000 Speaker 1: let's end. Let's joke, right, is that we've gone for 1584 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,760 Speaker 1: like I mean, I know we we we have been 1585 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,040 Speaker 1: technically needing to end for a while. I'm just like, then, 1586 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:14,639 Speaker 1: what you know what I mean? I have to make dinner. 1587 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,760 Speaker 1: I know that part is devastating, it really is, And 1588 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,759 Speaker 1: I like, didn't you know, not to get too vulnerable, 1589 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't have time to make the marinade for 1590 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,400 Speaker 1: the chicken before we started recording, So like, now I'm 1591 01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 1: gonna have to literally start the marinade. Now at it's 1592 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be eating at eleven. I'm making dinner. 1593 01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,599 Speaker 1: I'm eating it at Oh yeah, well, also's no way 1594 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,280 Speaker 1: not to pull this card. But like back home where 1595 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm from, that is when you eat dinner. Oh here 1596 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,599 Speaker 1: he goes European. Um. But yes, I will be having 1597 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,479 Speaker 1: midnight chicken tonight. If everyone's excited. Do you guys want 1598 01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,960 Speaker 1: to hear what I'm gonna have for dinner? Yeah, I 1599 01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,719 Speaker 1: made this like chicken and leak thing yesterday is Roman. No, 1600 01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,880 Speaker 1: because I made a chicken and lake Alison Roman thing. 1601 01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,120 Speaker 1: Oh I know that one, and that one's good, yeah, 1602 01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,599 Speaker 1: the whole chicken. This one is a it's originally bocked Troy. 1603 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,240 Speaker 1: It's a New York time so speed. It's good because 1604 01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,680 Speaker 1: you marinate in the chicken and miso and mustard and 1605 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: like ginger and garlic, and it kind of sounds weird, 1606 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,679 Speaker 1: but it's so good. I'm gonna put it on a salad. Fuck. 1607 01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,960 Speaker 1: I know that sounds gigantic. That sounds incredible. Okay, here's 1608 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,559 Speaker 1: my problem with that. I'm sorry. Oh no, it's like 1609 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,280 Speaker 1: to me, it's like put it on rice for dinner, 1610 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,720 Speaker 1: on a salad for lunch. I know you're right, but 1611 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,599 Speaker 1: why because if you put it on a salad, then 1612 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,920 Speaker 1: suddenly you're having a s out and so that doesn't 1613 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:41,960 Speaker 1: feel like dinner. I just put it on rice for lunch. Yeah. Interesting, right, 1614 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,960 Speaker 1: And then it's actually subverting it, you know what I mean. 1615 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,400 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was thinking. I was like, 1616 01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,080 Speaker 1: it's maybe it's actually elegant where it's like I'm actually 1617 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,719 Speaker 1: having this like light little dinner. You take it back 1618 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:57,479 Speaker 1: and your dinner is good and Sam go for it. Yeah, 1619 01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm having left over, um, some chicken in and lentils 1620 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:06,320 Speaker 1: and salad, oh my god, chicken all around. Well, I 1621 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,320 Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a great week night meal. You 1622 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,320 Speaker 1: know what name it is a week night Well, it's crazy, Like, 1623 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,040 Speaker 1: so you guys are making your like eating dinner every night, 1624 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,679 Speaker 1: like I know, I am, but that's hard to believe 1625 01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,200 Speaker 1: that everybody is not by choice. You mean eating dinner. 1626 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,559 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you mean eating dinner, right, or cooking dinner 1627 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,880 Speaker 1: every night? I mean eating it. I basically eat free 1628 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,920 Speaker 1: meals a day. Is that crazy? No, No, it's normally. 1629 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm just like I can't believe, Like I can't believe 1630 01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I do it, and then everybody's doing it. Everybody is 1631 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,360 Speaker 1: so harsh on adult thing, and sometimes it's like it's 1632 01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:40,880 Speaker 1: this is hard. Yes, I never thought. I never thought 1633 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,040 Speaker 1: in all my years we would have justice for adult 1634 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,360 Speaker 1: thing on this podcast. People like people like oh my god, 1635 01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,840 Speaker 1: like grow up. Like it's like, yeah, like I'm doing it, 1636 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's like challenging to balance all these things. Yeah, 1637 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,960 Speaker 1: it's like and there's a comfort in being a child. 1638 01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,320 Speaker 1: It's I miss the idea that people used to not complain. 1639 01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,960 Speaker 1: It's like, ye, like my parents also complained about how 1640 01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,759 Speaker 1: it's like difficult to get everything done. Yeah, that's like normal. 1641 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm not checking myself into rehab for exhaustion because I'm 1642 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,800 Speaker 1: making dinner. I'm simply complaining about it online, right, exactly right, 1643 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,280 Speaker 1: And it's like adulting. It is just like it's too 1644 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 1: tainted by small being or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm like, 1645 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:27,240 Speaker 1: listen those little guys at a point. Okay, what's the 1646 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:32,080 Speaker 1: last segment. So for our final segment, we paid tribute 1647 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:36,759 Speaker 1: to one of the foundational art forms of straight society, 1648 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,800 Speaker 1: which is the radio shout out. So we give a 1649 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,840 Speaker 1: shout out to something that we want to endorse man. 1650 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,640 Speaker 1: I really do feel like a meme that's like my 1651 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 1: last two brain cells. Yeah, but I can. I can 1652 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,679 Speaker 1: give it a try. What's up, losers and also winners, 1653 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,720 Speaker 1: because in this society who can never know? I want 1654 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,840 Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to that's right, my 1655 01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,880 Speaker 1: one and only queen Priestess of the art form of music, 1656 01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:10,320 Speaker 1: Sky Ferreira, who finally, after fifteen decades of silence, has 1657 01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:14,120 Speaker 1: released her new hit single tonight. We are recording, in fact, 1658 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,400 Speaker 1: so soon after the release that Charlie and Sam both 1659 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,320 Speaker 1: haven't listened yet. And it is called Don't Forget. And 1660 01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,479 Speaker 1: I want to say she has in officially ussured the 1661 01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,560 Speaker 1: era of remembering from now on, Forgetting is out, remembering 1662 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,759 Speaker 1: is in. We're talking planning oral histories. We're talking making 1663 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,800 Speaker 1: a book that has memories from your family. We're talking Yeah, 1664 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,360 Speaker 1: that's right, going to the nine eleven Museum. Forgetting is out, 1665 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Remembering is in, and that is the spirit of Summer 1666 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,280 Speaker 1: of two. So get out your diaries, in your notebooks, 1667 01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: get out your old recipe books, get out family heirlooms, 1668 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:56,520 Speaker 1: and spend some time lying, letting it all sink in. Wow, 1669 01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:02,439 Speaker 1: never forget. I love that okay, I have Okay, what's 1670 01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,960 Speaker 1: up everyone on earth? I'm talking to the children of 1671 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:11,040 Speaker 1: whe zero and up and the big grown ups. I'm 1672 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,240 Speaker 1: talking one hundred years old even up to I want 1673 01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,599 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to two things that I 1674 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,559 Speaker 1: think go together because they're both equally lame to shout 1675 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,040 Speaker 1: out in today's day and age. I want to give 1676 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:28,240 Speaker 1: a shout out to Yes RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars seven. 1677 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I have started watching 1678 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,200 Speaker 1: this one and it is the Winner season and I 1679 01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,679 Speaker 1: feel joy again for the first time in a while. 1680 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,800 Speaker 1: And I thought, there's no way this will be fun 1681 01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,360 Speaker 1: to watch. And I'm watching it and everyone is such 1682 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 1: a beautiful, great performer and it's actually a very good 1683 01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,080 Speaker 1: season of television and I am loving it. Of course, 1684 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,400 Speaker 1: we're only two episodes in, but I just want to say, 1685 01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,840 Speaker 1: if you're bored at the franchise, hey, give it a shot. 1686 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,719 Speaker 1: I think maybe you'll be impressed. And in a similar 1687 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,479 Speaker 1: vein of things that George will roll his eyes at me, 1688 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,519 Speaker 1: I'm not really I want to give a huge shout 1689 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,840 Speaker 1: out to the Katy Perry Soon that came out a 1690 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,679 Speaker 1: few months ago. That's like when I'm going I'm never 1691 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,160 Speaker 1: really going. I while I was on a run today 1692 01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,800 Speaker 1: and oh baby, I was in heaven. I said, you know, 1693 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,280 Speaker 1: two thousand ten is back justice for Katy Perry. Yeah 1694 01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,519 Speaker 1: she's annoying, Yeah she sucks, but that's what's good about her. 1695 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,120 Speaker 1: We need that type of energy around so that we 1696 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,599 Speaker 1: have a compass of what is good and what is bad. 1697 01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,639 Speaker 1: If we don't have the bad, then we just then 1698 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,679 Speaker 1: we crumble in society. So shout out to those two things. 1699 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,240 Speaker 1: I never promised to be a cool guy. X O 1700 01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:43,240 Speaker 1: x O, so um, I want to shout out. One time, 1701 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,439 Speaker 1: when I asked Charlie if he watched Drag Race, his 1702 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,439 Speaker 1: response was, no, I don't, but I don't judge you 1703 01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:53,519 Speaker 1: for watching it. Wow. I can't believe I would say 1704 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,559 Speaker 1: something like that, even though that's totally true and it's 1705 01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 1: totally fine. I'm just helping that that's mutual, you know 1706 01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not trying to be like different. 1707 01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm better, but it was just funny 1708 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,840 Speaker 1: because I mean in classic youth fashion, where I feel 1709 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,479 Speaker 1: like your mind works faster, like you know, it's immediately 1710 01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:13,760 Speaker 1: goes to you know, like you know what I'm you 1711 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like you thought I had 1712 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,960 Speaker 1: like an ulterior motive for asking you, Like you thought 1713 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,280 Speaker 1: I was worried that you would judge me, whereas I 1714 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,080 Speaker 1: literally just wanted to see if I should invite you 1715 01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,439 Speaker 1: to my place to watch. Oh yeah, you were like 1716 01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,040 Speaker 1: you thought it wasn't You thought the conversation was happening 1717 01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,360 Speaker 1: like on a different level than it was. Right, You're 1718 01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,559 Speaker 1: like no, but also wait, hold on, it's really trying 1719 01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:39,800 Speaker 1: to manage um, Charlie. Would you like to sure a 1720 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,479 Speaker 1: shout out? Yeah? Should I do it in a radio voice? 1721 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:48,599 Speaker 1: It's totally up. However you want. What's up everybody today, 1722 01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,160 Speaker 1: I'll be I want to give a huge shout out 1723 01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,840 Speaker 1: to the video game Elden Ring. It's been a video 1724 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,439 Speaker 1: game that I've been playing, and it's you know what, 1725 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,439 Speaker 1: It's actually amazing to have structure in your life that 1726 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:04,719 Speaker 1: comes from increasing your strength points and increasing your level 1727 01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,160 Speaker 1: and increasing your vigor. I think that's something we all 1728 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,960 Speaker 1: are really striving for right now, is to, through the 1729 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,600 Speaker 1: defeat of our enemies, gain runs and spend them on 1730 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,679 Speaker 1: our own betterment. And that's something that I'm really excited 1731 01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,559 Speaker 1: to be doing not just in elden Ring, but also 1732 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,840 Speaker 1: in my life beyond. I'm finding myself in life and 1733 01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,760 Speaker 1: an eldern Ring in dungeons beset by little goblins and 1734 01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:32,160 Speaker 1: horrible rat creatures, and I'm finding it incredibly rewarding to 1735 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:39,200 Speaker 1: uh to slaughter them with magic. Um so I'm really 1736 01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,120 Speaker 1: enjoying it. And I just wanted to give a quick 1737 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,719 Speaker 1: shutter to elden Ring for giving me that kind of structure. 1738 01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,240 Speaker 1: Well understand what I'm going through. Um, wow, so you 1739 01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:57,320 Speaker 1: chose an astronomer. No, I'm confessor, Okay, baith magic. After 1740 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,920 Speaker 1: talking about how easily straight people are impressed, we Reckon 1741 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,559 Speaker 1: ended like the biggest pop star in the biggest video game. 1742 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,439 Speaker 1: I started Eldendering last week two weeks ago. Oh baby, 1743 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,760 Speaker 1: I needed to give up everything and just dive in. 1744 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,679 Speaker 1: It's so fun. It rocks even though it's hard. Yeah, 1745 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,599 Speaker 1: but I'm ready for a challenge. Yeah that's true. Well, 1746 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,000 Speaker 1: I love that this was sort of a mega episode. 1747 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,960 Speaker 1: This was like two we needed it, and we did 1748 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,519 Speaker 1: actually need it, and I feel like we really were 1749 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,680 Speaker 1: able to like settle in and like, yeah, not be 1750 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,040 Speaker 1: so worried about, Oh, where do we have to be 1751 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,840 Speaker 1: like I have a call with my agent, Who's gonna 1752 01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:42,639 Speaker 1: call me gay? I like, get off. I'm like, oh ship, 1753 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,160 Speaker 1: I's like a bunch of calls from my agents. Probably 1754 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,679 Speaker 1: there's all these texts that are like gay, gay gay Charlie, 1755 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,280 Speaker 1: where are you You're gay? You're gay, Charlie, where are 1756 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,479 Speaker 1: you You're a gay? Guy, Charlie, answer the phone? You're 1757 01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:59,080 Speaker 1: Gayly answer the phone, you're gay. I'm like, you guys 1758 01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:08,920 Speaker 1: have to take the Hi. Yeah I'm gay. Yeah I'm gay. Um, well, yeah, 1759 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,479 Speaker 1: this has been delightful. Thank you guys. This is so fun. 1760 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing it. Charlie. Of course, can I 1761 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,240 Speaker 1: plug my podcast or yeah? We actually don't usually plug people, 1762 01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,240 Speaker 1: but it's funny because we literally, yeah, we we really 1763 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,479 Speaker 1: don't as a rule. And in fact, it's like I 1764 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,040 Speaker 1: was thinking that the other day where I'm like, Okay, 1765 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,760 Speaker 1: well this is our bit that we don't plug other 1766 01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,599 Speaker 1: people's thinking. But then it's like, yeah, but they come 1767 01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,519 Speaker 1: on here to like promote that, so like maybe we 1768 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,000 Speaker 1: should let them. Well you feel bad when like, like 1769 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,439 Speaker 1: like when Natalie was on, I remember feeling bad that 1770 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,400 Speaker 1: we didn't mention it at all because I was like, wait, 1771 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,200 Speaker 1: they should get no, No, we need to plug it 1772 01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:47,080 Speaker 1: and actually Charlie plug the podcast, and then I'll say something, Well, 1773 01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to enough, Charlie, Charlie, Natalie Pocket. I've 1774 01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,759 Speaker 1: just I mean, in our defense, we we have both 1775 01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,439 Speaker 1: we're both fans, ilsn't know it every week and we 1776 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,920 Speaker 1: have both posted about it. But that's true, that's more 1777 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,120 Speaker 1: than it. Now we're doing B two B marketing here 1778 01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,680 Speaker 1: because this is a podcast and reforre another podcast, and 1779 01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,439 Speaker 1: someone wants told me that the only way to gain 1780 01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,920 Speaker 1: listens is to promote your podcast on other podcasts, something 1781 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,680 Speaker 1: I have and you told that to me, and then 1782 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,719 Speaker 1: here I am, and then here you are. Okay, interesting, 1783 01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,800 Speaker 1: it all connects. The call is coming from inside the 1784 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,040 Speaker 1: house and it's the girls staring and we're all going 1785 01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,280 Speaker 1: to die in the seven dates, So no Um. Charlie 1786 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,519 Speaker 1: and the A's podcast called Exploration Live. They each bring 1787 01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,080 Speaker 1: in a few of the ideas that they've had that 1788 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,960 Speaker 1: week and then hash them out and it is truly 1789 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,280 Speaker 1: has shot up my list of of my go to podcasts. 1790 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,880 Speaker 1: Your George is always texting me about it, being like, 1791 01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,160 Speaker 1: I can't believe you said this thing, and I'm like, 1792 01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that, and I don't know if 1793 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:51,360 Speaker 1: I that's crazy thing to say. How I believe Natalie 1794 01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:52,880 Speaker 1: said that, and then I'll feel back because it's like 1795 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,840 Speaker 1: we're gossiping about her, but like, yeah it is, yeah, 1796 01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I remember that it was crazy but 1797 01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,839 Speaker 1: in a fun way. Yeah. Well, this has been amazing. 1798 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,439 Speaker 1: This podcast is a north star to me, so I'm honored. 1799 01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,960 Speaker 1: I hope we're guiding you in the right direction. Yeah, 1800 01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,880 Speaker 1: towards the light, not towards the dark, Knight. I want 1801 01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,639 Speaker 1: to measure the length of this podcast by I saw 1802 01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:18,320 Speaker 1: the movie Petite Mammal yesterday. Yeah, it's really good. It's 1803 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,400 Speaker 1: an hour fifteen minutes. I know. That's why I want 1804 01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,360 Speaker 1: to see it. You know, it's amazing. I'm like, we're 1805 01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:30,880 Speaker 1: approaching like one and a half memo, Oh that's medium, mom, 1806 01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,040 Speaker 1: Whereas I saw that movie Men, which yeah, yeah, yeah, 1807 01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 1: Why I have an advice for men, make them smaller, 1808 01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:44,479 Speaker 1: make them a mom about that? Why do you scale 1809 01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:51,759 Speaker 1: that down a little bit on them rather than multiple men? One? 1810 01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:59,439 Speaker 1: Keep my men. That's the crossover episode. It's all different. 1811 01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:04,120 Speaker 1: Petit Mom. We have to go, we have to go, 1812 01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,439 Speaker 1: and should have shouted out whatever, it doesn't matter. Too late, 1813 01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,040 Speaker 1: okay late my