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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, May twelve, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: Episode number one, O nine. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We're presented by Geico. We are a
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Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to talk about today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna catch up on some draft talk that we didn't
Speaker 1: finish last week. We were going through the different positions
Speaker 1: and talking about the veterans on this team that will
Speaker 1: be battling this training camp in order to even make
Speaker 1: the team. We'll do that we have. I think we've
Speaker 1: got four or five positions still left to do there.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the schedule. Tonight. The Cowboys will get there or we'll
Speaker 1: release their official twenty twenty one schedule. It will be
Speaker 1: released on NFL Network at seven pm. Prior to that, actually,
Speaker 1: at six forty five pm, Nick Dave and Rob our
Speaker 1: very own Nick Dave and Rob will be on live
Speaker 1: here on the normal channels where you listen to US
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Cowboys Mobile, connected TV everywhere, and
Speaker 1: they'll be talking about the schedule and they will be
Speaker 1: releasing the Cowboys schedule before the NFL Show, and then
Speaker 1: you can go to the NFL Show to get more
Speaker 1: reaction and see the schedules from all the teams all
Speaker 1: there together. So before I guess get deep into our
Speaker 1: draft talk, let's talk about what we know about the
Speaker 1: schedule at this point. This morning, we release the fact
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys will be open the season. They will
Speaker 1: be actually opening the entire NFL season Thursday night, that'll
Speaker 1: be September ninth, against the defending champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: And Dave, you told me before we can't win on
Speaker 1: the air that You're like, we could take a whole
Speaker 1: segment to talk about that because that's a juicy matchup,
Speaker 1: So go, if we wanted to, we could. We don't
Speaker 1: have to, but I mean, it's funny. There aren't many
Speaker 1: things I hate more than the way the NFL handles
Speaker 1: the schedule release. I just think it's overdone and needless
Speaker 1: and just give me a PDF with the games. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it because they want to dominate
Speaker 1: the news cycle and make money, but I hate it.
Speaker 1: Having said that, all the fun, well, all of that,
Speaker 1: like literally all of that went out the window when
Speaker 1: I heard it was Cowboys Bucks to open this, because
Speaker 1: this it's amazing. It's the best season opener that I've
Speaker 1: been a part of in my time covering. And even
Speaker 1: you know, they try to get a juicy game for this,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to top this. I mean, the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champs, who didn't lose a starter, the best quarterback
Speaker 1: ever Dak Prescott in his first game back from his
Speaker 1: injury and his contract. Offensive line is going to be
Speaker 1: back healthy. Oh by the way, the new defense, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that juju out in the air. They'll
Speaker 1: be back and against that pass rush, they need to
Speaker 1: be back. Dan Quinn came from the NFC South, so
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of familiarity with the Bucks and
Speaker 1: some with Tom Brady. There's just storylines all over the place,
Speaker 1: and I mean, if it doesn't shatter some sort of
Speaker 1: record for viewers, I'll be shocked. And what were your
Speaker 1: thoughts when you heard this was going to be the opener?
Speaker 1: What a great start? I mean, this can either go
Speaker 1: really well or really really bad. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: like one of those where you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: enough time to kind of warm up, you know, the
Speaker 1: first few games of the season. Can I get a
Speaker 1: good feel of what the team is like, It's like, no,
Speaker 1: here it is, here's your first name. Let's see. Let's
Speaker 1: see if you can survive, if your defense can survive.
Speaker 1: And that's my biggest, uh the thing I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: the most is just kind of seeing what this defense
Speaker 1: becomes and what they can do in that first game. Nick,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's a great matchup, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just funny. And I've seen some tweets,
Speaker 1: I know, like Rob Phillips tweeted it out. Remember when
Speaker 1: everyone was making a big deal about, oh, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: got flexed out of a game, that's because they were bad.
Speaker 1: I mean they were bad. They were bad. It wasn't
Speaker 1: because of the stars, because their team was was bad.
Speaker 1: The team they were playing was was bad too. But um,
Speaker 1: now they still have draw and Tampa didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of games on the schedule that you could say,
Speaker 1: you know, I know the Bills fans think that that
Speaker 1: they should have been in here. But it's a great matchup.
Speaker 1: We've seen it before. Um it's been what eight nine
Speaker 1: years ago we saw it and it was a Wednesday
Speaker 1: night game actually, but the Cowboys beat the Giants that
Speaker 1: that game, and so, um, it'll be fun. But like
Speaker 1: like they said, it'll be a great matchup because they
Speaker 1: don't lose anyone. Tampa gets all twenty two guys back,
Speaker 1: They have a great coach, they have the best quarterback
Speaker 1: of all time, and they figured it out last year.
Speaker 1: They were they were dominating, but I mean they got
Speaker 1: better and better as the sea and went on. So
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if they continue that success. You know,
Speaker 1: and their team hasn't changed much, right, I got everybody,
Speaker 1: They brought back pretty much everything that is so rare
Speaker 1: in today's I don't think it's happened in the salary
Speaker 1: cap era. No, And it's and it all, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it starts with having a great quarterback that people
Speaker 1: want to play with. You want to play with this guy,
Speaker 1: those all of those guys could make more money, Brady included,
Speaker 1: could make more money, but they choose not to. And
Speaker 1: that is what's really rare, is that they're they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to win a championship and so that's dangerous. And
Speaker 1: then you put a coach on top of that that
Speaker 1: kind of he gets it. He does here. They're they're
Speaker 1: the favorites again because they haven't lost anything. And I love, like,
Speaker 1: I hope Bills fans are mad because they can be
Speaker 1: mad all they want and they'll still be wrong. Like
Speaker 1: they're a better team than the Cowboys, doesn't matter, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the video. And yeah, I guess what, NFL
Speaker 1: they were a six and ten team, and there's the
Speaker 1: records are going to be absurd because they'll be they'll
Speaker 1: be healthy, their star power will be back. They have
Speaker 1: a very good chance to win their division, maybe more
Speaker 1: so because their division is bad, but whatever, Nobody cares
Speaker 1: about that. Patriots won a bad division for fifteen years
Speaker 1: and it's it's just I love it. I you know,
Speaker 1: just as many people like people are going to tune
Speaker 1: in because they love the Cowboys, and people are going
Speaker 1: to tune in because they want to dunk on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and that's just the nature of the Beasts. So
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady is equally polarized. Oh for yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is. It's like the two, like the franchise and
Speaker 1: the player that are most beloved and most behaved, most behaated.
Speaker 1: That's a hard I like that at the same time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like so many people love Tom Brady and just as
Speaker 1: many want to see him fail, and the same thing
Speaker 1: goes for the Cowboys, and it's just a match made
Speaker 1: in heaven. Well, and I know that the rules are
Speaker 1: changing so much about um, you know lately on the TVs,
Speaker 1: you know, rights on who gets what game. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure CBS played a big factor into this as well,
Speaker 1: because they don't want now they only get Tom Brady
Speaker 1: two times, um with with CBS game when the when
Speaker 1: the Bucks are playing at an AFC team, so I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: hosting an AFC team, so they they probably didn't want
Speaker 1: NBC to take one of them, you know, um when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys though, I mean the Cowboy that game was
Speaker 1: either gonna be on Fox or NBC. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys have thrown out a lot of the different
Speaker 1: storylines that are in this game. What do you think
Speaker 1: is the juiciest If you have to identify one that
Speaker 1: you think is the best storyline going into this game,
Speaker 1: there's only one, right, is there? What do you think
Speaker 1: it is? Jack versus Brady? Um? Is it not? There's lots,
Speaker 1: they just rolled them all out. There's like twenty. I
Speaker 1: think that's a ton of story. I think Dad coming
Speaker 1: back and you know, like they the Cowboys committed to
Speaker 1: him and said, all right, here, you're the guy, and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we saw what this team was
Speaker 1: without him and they need him. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Brady playing until he's sixty. I mean, like just the
Speaker 1: two of them together, I think I think that's the
Speaker 1: appealing matchup. But yeah, you're right, I mean there's more.
Speaker 1: You guys could probably come up with five and more. Well,
Speaker 1: I just it's a different iteration of the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not really Dak versus Brady. That's
Speaker 1: not what it is. And that the biggest thing for
Speaker 1: me is the three most important players to what to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys being successful, Dak Prescott, Tyron Smith, Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: coming back and playing the strength of this Bucks team
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady's great, he's not he I mean, he didn't.
Speaker 1: That's that's not why they won the Super Bowl. They
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl because of this ferocious defense, jpp In,
Speaker 1: domickinsue Vita Vea. They spent a first round pick on
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, Devin White and um Lavante David the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on and just getting dropped into
Speaker 1: that on in front of the whole world on Night one, like, oh,
Speaker 1: welcome back, congrats on all the money, go beat the best,
Speaker 1: do it now, and if you don't, everybody's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 1: That's that's just fascinating to me, which I mean Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is a part of that, but that's what I
Speaker 1: want to see. Yeah, Well, for me, I think it's
Speaker 1: so hard to get a full idea because again we're
Speaker 1: trying to get a good grasp of this coaching staff
Speaker 1: and what they can do and what right now. You know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about, oh, Dak versus Brady or whatever. No,
Speaker 1: it's Cowboys versus basically Brady. How I see it, because
Speaker 1: we've seen it in the past, even with Tyran and
Speaker 1: Nail in there, the line working well, Dak healthy and
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, well, there are times that they still
Speaker 1: get beat. They start games slow and it takes them
Speaker 1: at a while, and then the defense is not pulling
Speaker 1: their weight. So again, it's just it's gonna take more
Speaker 1: than just Dak and those two guys on the line
Speaker 1: for them to be able to have a successful game.
Speaker 1: We definitely need to see so much improvement from the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball because the offense is gonna
Speaker 1: need all the help they can get, especially in a
Speaker 1: game like that. So it's just so many different elements
Speaker 1: that just need to come together, other than just hope
Speaker 1: that Dak is healthy. He's able to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: maybe Zeke is able to run the ball very well
Speaker 1: with the O line healthy in there. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's very very hard to just put every single piece
Speaker 1: together and really have a visual that they can make
Speaker 1: it happen in the first game of the season, especially
Speaker 1: when history has shown that, I mean, at least from
Speaker 1: my experience. Sometimes it just takes them a while, especially
Speaker 1: after last year. You know, it took them a while
Speaker 1: to kind of get things moving compared from the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season towards the end of the season despite
Speaker 1: Dak not being available. But it's just there's so many
Speaker 1: different elements in there, so it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun to watch for sure, But I'm scared. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it. I am scared. I'll say this. I
Speaker 1: actually think this game is I think it will be
Speaker 1: build after it's done. It will be build as somewhat
Speaker 1: of a referendum on who the Cowboys are, because I
Speaker 1: think there are people that are giving the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: least some leeway that last year was an aberration based
Speaker 1: upon the fact that DAC went down so early in
Speaker 1: the season, based upon the fact they didn't have the
Speaker 1: tackles the vast majority of the season, and so we
Speaker 1: really didn't get to see this new offense with you know,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and his staff coming in, and with you know,
Speaker 1: the addition of CD Lamb. There were all these things
Speaker 1: everybody was excited about. Dave. You guys started it before
Speaker 1: the draft last year talking about Team forty Burger, and
Speaker 1: I think everybody was expecting to see that. And then
Speaker 1: you get into the season and you don't have some
Speaker 1: of the key elements. If you have those key elements
Speaker 1: this year, and you open this game against the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl defending champs. If you win that, I think there
Speaker 1: will be a lot of people saying, this is the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys that should have been here last year. We
Speaker 1: just didn't get to see them because the players weren't there.
Speaker 1: If they lose, I think there will be a lot
Speaker 1: of people that will be saying, Dallas Cowboys are still
Speaker 1: just the Dallas Cowboys. So I don't necessarily I'm not
Speaker 1: buying the idea that losing those players that much of
Speaker 1: a difference. And by the way, that's just people and
Speaker 1: that's just the media, and that's just how it will
Speaker 1: be built. But I actually think that will be the
Speaker 1: conversation as of Monday following or Friday following that game.
Speaker 1: I think that's as fair as it could ever be, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and one game never makes a season,
Speaker 1: especially out the season opener. I get that, But this
Speaker 1: is the team that just won the Super Bowl. This
Speaker 1: is the team. It's all twenty two of them. If
Speaker 1: you can beat them probably means that you're capable. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're capable of beating anybody. If you can beat the
Speaker 1: reigning champs that didn't lose anyone, and if you don't
Speaker 1: beat them, then you're probably not ready for prime time
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't get there over the course of
Speaker 1: the season. But you know, it reminds me of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: They just they beat up on all those bad teams
Speaker 1: to open the season, and everybody was like, big deal.
Speaker 1: It was Miami, New York and Washington like this is
Speaker 1: nothing like show me something. Well, we're gonna see something
Speaker 1: real quick this year, and that's really exciting. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: not there to say that, oh, whatever happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they if they beat the Bucks, obviously you're gonna
Speaker 1: put them in a better you know category. But they lose,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that tells you. I mean, how
Speaker 1: do they lose? What's the game? You know. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit here and have another argument with Nate
Speaker 1: Newton about moral victories and stuff like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I as I always say, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: the schedule looks like, but I always say Week two
Speaker 1: is my big indicator. Week two is the game that
Speaker 1: I try to figure out what they're going to be.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be a team that can come
Speaker 1: back off a great win, you know, and and and capitalize,
Speaker 1: or are you going to be a team that gets
Speaker 1: buried now that you're owing one and now you're owing two,
Speaker 1: so I always look at that second game. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is though. Yeah, we will unveil that
Speaker 1: at six forty five, Dave stopped laughing. I don't we will.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. We will unveil that tonight at
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person in this room that knows
Speaker 1: what the scheduling you guys, I mean I can piece
Speaker 1: it together from my Twitter film three, eight, nine, thirteen, fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 1: and eighteen. You think you know? Yeah? People, no, thank you. People.
Speaker 1: People are like somebody, somebody last night was like, come on, Dave,
Speaker 1: you're you're on the inside. Tell us. I was like,
Speaker 1: first of all, lol that you think I'm that important?
Speaker 1: And two I would get fired with a quickness if
Speaker 1: I did that, Like come on, usually brain everybody in
Speaker 1: this building that knows, yeah, they've been threatened as far
Speaker 1: as their job and their life, so you know it's
Speaker 1: not really worth there. Haven't really been trying to get it.
Speaker 1: I don't. You almost don't want it. You don't even
Speaker 1: want to be in on that list. Okay, So here
Speaker 1: the deal with what we do know, and we've been
Speaker 1: knowing this for a while, we know the Cowboys opponents,
Speaker 1: we know which ones are gonna have at home, we
Speaker 1: know which ones are gonna have on the road. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run down some team names for you because honestly,
Speaker 1: it's really the road games that I think are where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys challenges are. You look at their home schedule.
Speaker 1: Obviously they got the Division, but then they got Carolina, Denver, Atlanta, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and Las Vegas. None of those teams are really scary
Speaker 1: like some of them, as you know. You can look
Speaker 1: at the at the Chargers, and you can look at
Speaker 1: the Raiders and those teams they can get. You know,
Speaker 1: they have some pieces, right, But it's the road teams
Speaker 1: that I think the Cowboys are really gonna have to
Speaker 1: contend with. You got the three division teams, and then
Speaker 1: you got Tampa Bay, you got New Orleans, you got
Speaker 1: New England, got Kansas City, you got the Chargers, and
Speaker 1: you got Minnesota. All those teams on the road. Which
Speaker 1: of those games do you think is going to be
Speaker 1: the most interesting matchup for you? As far as how
Speaker 1: you look at it. I mean, it's so unoriginal and boring,
Speaker 1: but I mean, how could it not be the Chiefs obviously.
Speaker 1: I mean they're playing both of the Super Bowl team
Speaker 1: teams this year, and maybe I'm stupid, I would pick
Speaker 1: the Chiefs to beat the Bucks all over again. Like
Speaker 1: I think that was way more they played out. If
Speaker 1: they played ten games, I think they'd win eight out
Speaker 1: ten of them. I think if their offensive line is healthy.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were so compromised in that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think, and by the way, just completely
Speaker 1: did a master class on how quickly you can turn
Speaker 1: your roster over if you know what you're doing. Because
Speaker 1: their offensive line looks terrifying, like in a good way,
Speaker 1: and they just rebuilt it forty five minutes. Just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, they're the team to beat in
Speaker 1: the entire league as far as I'm concerned. And it's
Speaker 1: the first time DAK will ever play Mahomes, so that's
Speaker 1: where it starts for me. Amber This is a tough
Speaker 1: I can't answer this question because I feel like each
Speaker 1: of those games is interesting in their own way, and
Speaker 1: right now I'm having to base it on a matchup
Speaker 1: against a team that and I hate to say it
Speaker 1: because this is my job and we work here, but
Speaker 1: I just I really have no idea what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna look like at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if any of you guys do.
Speaker 1: We think, we know, we think what we can expect.
Speaker 1: There are some things we can expect and hope to happen,
Speaker 1: but none of that is for sure or certain. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's very, very hard. But all of those matches,
Speaker 1: I mean, you say, we just talked about Tampa. Obviously
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really fun and interesting. New England that
Speaker 1: with the changes they've done in the off season and
Speaker 1: free agency and all that, I'm very curious to see
Speaker 1: just how that team is gonna look like and perform.
Speaker 1: Then you got the Chiefs for obvious reasons. Just like
Speaker 1: Dave says, everyone, I feel like everyone wants to see
Speaker 1: the Chiefs playing just because of my homes and how
Speaker 1: they've been doing this past two years. But then New Orleans,
Speaker 1: we always talk about that stadium and that the energy,
Speaker 1: just the energy in that stadium is very chaotic and
Speaker 1: energetic and everything, so it's exciting. I really, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll be watching all of them for sure, so I
Speaker 1: can't choose one of them. I think they are all
Speaker 1: very interesting. Minnesota, Minnesota, that's the that's the game, that's
Speaker 1: the game that's most interesting you. Yeah, well, I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to go down the list like and everyone. They're
Speaker 1: all tough, they're all look scary in their own way.
Speaker 1: But I'll go with Minnesota because if they get back
Speaker 1: to if it gets back to you know, the crowd
Speaker 1: they beat Minnesota last year, when you could hear a
Speaker 1: pin drop in there, it was it was weird. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be the case this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think they need a lot of people in Minnesota
Speaker 1: to make that place loud. Uh. They're the team that
Speaker 1: seems to be the most similar to the Cowboys as
Speaker 1: far as record and where they are. And that's an
Speaker 1: NFC up and down, up and down. You know that
Speaker 1: they're going to be tough. That's a game that I
Speaker 1: think that's one of those swing games where you're like,
Speaker 1: if you can go win that, that might help you
Speaker 1: in a tiebreaker down the road or something like that.
Speaker 1: Also maybe tell you kind of where you are, you
Speaker 1: a little bit better than somebody, because we know the
Speaker 1: Division games are tough and all those other games that
Speaker 1: y'all mentioned, I mean they got great coaches or great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or both, like Kansas City. So I just I
Speaker 1: just picked Minnesota. I mean, they're all gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. The two that are most interesting
Speaker 1: to me are New England and New Orleans, mainly because
Speaker 1: these are two teams that you ask that you see
Speaker 1: them on your schedule two years ago, and you're immediately
Speaker 1: like likelihood you gotta win there. Ain't that good, especially
Speaker 1: if you're having to go to their place to play
Speaker 1: those games. Now, you don't really know what either of
Speaker 1: those teams are like last year, the Patriots, for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, weren't very good. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, they had eight guys that opted out, so
Speaker 1: that took it right off. They lost their quarterback that
Speaker 1: they'd had forever, and and so there were a lot
Speaker 1: of there were a lot of changes. But as you
Speaker 1: talked about earlier of coaches, like they got one of
Speaker 1: the best, if not the best. So you give him
Speaker 1: two years, maybe he figures it out. New Orleans for
Speaker 1: the first time, and who knows how long we will
Speaker 1: not see Drew Brees run out of the fifteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it like that matters, right, And and I don't know,
Speaker 1: is it gonna be Jamis Winston or who knows it's
Speaker 1: gonna be there their starting quarterback by the time the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get to them. But the point is those two teams,
Speaker 1: to me, those are games I'm really interesting because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you told me right now start picking
Speaker 1: the schedule, even though that's a crapshoot with those two teams,
Speaker 1: it's really a crapshoot because you just don't know who
Speaker 1: they are. Didn't we go up there and or down
Speaker 1: there whatever and they lost to Didn't Bridgewater start that game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's Sean Payton is an unbelievable coach,
Speaker 1: and he's got a great system and they've they figured
Speaker 1: out and obviously they'll take a drop off without being
Speaker 1: Drew you know, Drew Brees, but he'll have it figured out.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's still again one to twenty two, you'd
Speaker 1: have to say is still one of the best rosters
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But the quarterback, the defense is by
Speaker 1: itself really really quarterbacks a huge part of that though.
Speaker 1: When that game, those two games, when they are and
Speaker 1: the schedule is really important. I agree. I wish I
Speaker 1: knew that but I think if it's if it's later on,
Speaker 1: if it's later on, okay, is it later I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that because if it's week one or
Speaker 1: two like that might be one thing. But if it's
Speaker 1: down the road a little bit, I think I think,
Speaker 1: you know Sean Payton that they'll have it kind of
Speaker 1: figured out. And then also with New England, you know
Speaker 1: we've seen weather can be a factor there with the
Speaker 1: rain and wind. Just they lost a game. But you
Speaker 1: know it'd be interesting is if you're mentioning earlier, you're
Speaker 1: talking about week two and that what that's what matters
Speaker 1: to you coming off a Tampa Bay game. It would
Speaker 1: be interesting if you got one of those two teams
Speaker 1: as a week two because then you really don't know,
Speaker 1: like you could be in a situation if they're really good,
Speaker 1: if they've been good as they've been traditionally, where you've
Speaker 1: got those two matchups, it won't be or not. It
Speaker 1: won't be because they already have because they're already going
Speaker 1: on the road in week one. Surely they're not going
Speaker 1: to put them on the road and one and two, Um,
Speaker 1: even though it has happened before, you say we've done
Speaker 1: that eleven. We went coast to coast Jets and forty
Speaker 1: nine ers in week one and two. Um so who
Speaker 1: knows that that screams giant it's at home week two,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. We will see. I'm just see which And
Speaker 1: we talked about dummy, we'll see tonight Central time, Nick,
Speaker 1: Dave and Rob. They will let you guys know exactly
Speaker 1: and I will tell them like fifteen minutes before where
Speaker 1: they go on the air, I will tell them exactly
Speaker 1: who's playing who and what dates and times and the
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Speaker 1: presented by Geico Um. So we started a conversation last
Speaker 1: week about Draft um and we were talking about the
Speaker 1: veteran of the rookies that were coming in, and I'd
Speaker 1: mentioned that Stephen Jones was very adamant because he said
Speaker 1: it a couple of times during during the post draft
Speaker 1: press conference that they are very hopeful that that there
Speaker 1: are more guys that they can bring in, young guys
Speaker 1: that can bring in as draft picks, who can can
Speaker 1: take some of the spots of some of the higher
Speaker 1: price veterans or just veterans in general, because that that
Speaker 1: is a way to manage your salary cap, and it's
Speaker 1: an effective way to melt to to manage your salary cap.
Speaker 1: And so we started going through the list and last
Speaker 1: week we talked about the linebacker position, and we talked
Speaker 1: about the cornerback position because we were talking about Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons and Kelvin Joseph. The first two picks for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But today I wanted to pick up that conversation at
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle spot. Ossie. I'm sorry Osa, oh dig
Speaker 1: diggi zuwa? Is that right? Zaga? However you want to say,
Speaker 1: oh diggi zoa? Um, he was a third pick, third
Speaker 1: round pick from UCLA. UM. And so let's look at
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position. Antoine Woods obviously was waived last week.
Speaker 1: He has since signed with the Cults. I think it
Speaker 1: is but the Cowboys have left Neville Gallimore, Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: two relatively young guys, UM and guys that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be counting on quite a bit this year. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Justin Hamilton, Carlos Watkins or did
Speaker 1: Watkins also get Wait, no, he's still here, He's still okay.
Speaker 1: And then you've got um, uh the draft pick s
Speaker 1: Quinton Bohannah and uh and then O Diggi zoa and
Speaker 1: H Brent Urban. So talk to me about who the
Speaker 1: veterans are that you think UH could possibly be at
Speaker 1: risk here once we get to the season. Oh, Watkins
Speaker 1: doesn't have to make the team. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: that was kind of a placeholder thing. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that they obviously like him, but he didn't have
Speaker 1: a great run there in Houston, so you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they will, they'll go with the younger guys
Speaker 1: over him, and you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't forget
Speaker 1: about uh Gholst and Chauncey Gholst. And he plays some
Speaker 1: of the inside as well, especially in third down a
Speaker 1: pass rushing situation. So um, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of all there on the table um. Then figure
Speaker 1: out how how they want to you know, put him
Speaker 1: in there. But I mean Odigizo was gonna have a
Speaker 1: gonna have a role because he is that classic three
Speaker 1: technique that he can he'll stop the run, and he
Speaker 1: also has got some juice to get up the field.
Speaker 1: I think the interesting which the two that come to
Speaker 1: mine or Antoine who's already gone, and then Carlos Watkins
Speaker 1: for sure, And I think if you're just following the money,
Speaker 1: I think you could throw Brent Urban into that conversation
Speaker 1: just purely because it's not a huge investment. But that's
Speaker 1: one of those things. If you follow this long enough,
Speaker 1: there's guys that are like, oh, we can cut him,
Speaker 1: and then there's guys where They're like, no, he's are
Speaker 1: starting one technique, Like why would we like, why would
Speaker 1: we cut him? And I don't know that he will be,
Speaker 1: but I just I wonder if, like their plan for
Speaker 1: Brent Urban is bigger on the inside than it would
Speaker 1: seem from the outside, if that makes sense, because if
Speaker 1: you just look at the roster, there's only there's only
Speaker 1: like two like true one technique type of dudes, and
Speaker 1: it's Quentin Bohannah who just got here, and Brent Urban,
Speaker 1: And like, I know Neville Gallimore could do it. I
Speaker 1: thought Urban wasn't it. I gotta look at it. I
Speaker 1: thought Urban was a defensive end he's played in before,
Speaker 1: but he played Chicago at defensive tackle. Last run on
Speaker 1: the run on the not like as a as a
Speaker 1: as a run stuff. Yeah, I mean his his run
Speaker 1: stopping grade for from PFF, which I know they're not everything,
Speaker 1: but he was like top ten in the league in
Speaker 1: run stopping rate. That's my point is like it's a
Speaker 1: very specific role. He's not here to rush the pass
Speaker 1: earth I'm looking at it. That's why I have a
Speaker 1: hard time thinking of him as a one technique. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've seen a one technique that tall. Quentin
Speaker 1: Bohana is six four or six three, six four six
Speaker 1: seven though, right, that's significantly different. I mean he can play,
Speaker 1: he can play some end, and so I guess nobody
Speaker 1: should be surprised where he winds up lining. But again,
Speaker 1: if you're just doing the math, think about the ends
Speaker 1: that are here. I mean, you got Tank, you got Randy,
Speaker 1: you got Terrell Basham, you got Dorin's Armstrong. Now you're
Speaker 1: adding Chauncey Golston. Like again, like you're trying to do
Speaker 1: the math, figure out where how you're gonna get time.
Speaker 1: I just think, if I had to guess today, I
Speaker 1: think Urban's you're starting one technique where where I would
Speaker 1: see that maybe playing out as I could see him being, You're,
Speaker 1: I guess, for lack of a better way to put it,
Speaker 1: your one technique when you've got a four man front
Speaker 1: in passing downs. Yeah, I personally think on first second down,
Speaker 1: I actually think Bohana is probably gonna end up making
Speaker 1: this team and may end up being your starter, because
Speaker 1: I just don't think they got anybody else like him.
Speaker 1: I refuse to put a sixth round pick into the
Speaker 1: starting lineup before he's done anything. I don't necessarily, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're crazy, but I put those kind of
Speaker 1: guys traditionally are going to go later in the draft though, right, Like,
Speaker 1: sixth round is not the same as a sixth round
Speaker 1: wide receiver or a sixth round running I think maybe
Speaker 1: he was special. If he was special, he'd be a
Speaker 1: high pick. Yeah, And I wonder yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: wasn't Vince Wilfork a first round pick? Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it what it comes down to special that's really
Speaker 1: really it's your stamina at that at that size. It's
Speaker 1: I think it's the difference is the guys that continue
Speaker 1: to do it over and over and not just need
Speaker 1: a break after every other play. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think the really good ones are the ones that
Speaker 1: can because the big, fat, sloppy guys like that, they're
Speaker 1: gonna clog the middle, But can they do it all
Speaker 1: the time and also provide a little bit more pass
Speaker 1: rush too? You know? So I think there's a reason
Speaker 1: he fell to the sixth round. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like he and I watched this tape. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was killing Vanderbilt's line. I didn't really see him pushing Alabama.
Speaker 1: You know, guys back, I didn't see that saying it
Speaker 1: didn't happen the other I think an interesting point too,
Speaker 1: And Quinn said this after the draft and base defense
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter anymore. But like when they're in base,
Speaker 1: it's going to be more of a three four look,
Speaker 1: which is who else plays nos well? Well. Also Brent
Speaker 1: Urban could play some four or five technique type of
Speaker 1: end as well, like he's got the size to do.
Speaker 1: So that's the versatility all along here is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And but just when I'm thinking about a four man line,
Speaker 1: like I would rather Neville and Tristan be playing three technique,
Speaker 1: Osa seems like more of a three technique. Plus you
Speaker 1: would imagine he'll you know, I think he'll have a
Speaker 1: role too, but it'll probably take him some time to
Speaker 1: get adjusted. Neville didn't really do anything until halfway through
Speaker 1: the season last year. So in my brain, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm if I could draw it up, I'm like Neville
Speaker 1: and Tristan rotating at the three with Urban Bohana maybe
Speaker 1: if Watkins makes the team throw him in there as well.
Speaker 1: That's just my thought. So but I think in the base,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, if it's if the three four
Speaker 1: is the base. Then my assumption as bohanna's your nose,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if they got another nose like that,
Speaker 1: do they maybe urban? But yeah, I'm with you. I agree.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff that they can do
Speaker 1: with all these guys, and it's not ready to play.
Speaker 1: That won't be the base, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that won't be the base. It'll be your guys that
Speaker 1: can stop the run. Because that's that is a position
Speaker 1: that to me like not ready to play. Like is
Speaker 1: it really that hard to be in at the nose
Speaker 1: and say don't let them move you? I mean, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of other positions where there's a lot
Speaker 1: more complexity to it and getting ready for it and
Speaker 1: getting strong enough for it. I don't think strength and
Speaker 1: size is a problem for him. Okay, you're right about that.
Speaker 1: But if that was the case, why was Mark Stepnoski
Speaker 1: a really great like center. It wasn't because he's big.
Speaker 1: It's because he knew the technique and knew how to
Speaker 1: move people around, you know, And I think the same
Speaker 1: could go on the flip side. Just because you're big,
Speaker 1: I mean, they can move you. You know, you can
Speaker 1: move anybody by by pushing them in the waist. I
Speaker 1: mean that's a fact. That's a fact. Who's that big
Speaker 1: nose type that Green Bay from years ago? Gilbert Brown,
Speaker 1: Gilbert Brown, j Rogie. Who's gonna move him? They moved BJ.
Speaker 1: You could move him. I could if you put anybody
Speaker 1: can be moved if you hit him in the waist.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm just that's a fat behind it.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this for the record, go find
Speaker 1: the biggest when Nate Newton comes in here tomorrow, push
Speaker 1: him trying it. I'm saying that I think you're which
Speaker 1: he's one of my two or three favorite picks in
Speaker 1: this draft class. Yeah, I think your expectations for Quentin
Speaker 1: Bohana are a tad high. Maybe and high. I get that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the problem still becomes like who else.
Speaker 1: That's the whole reason. It's not because of him so
Speaker 1: much as much as it is. I don't think they
Speaker 1: got anybody else that has that body type. If you
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say three four is our base, who
Speaker 1: else has the body type that can hold up at
Speaker 1: the at the nose? I don't know, but I'm just
Speaker 1: cannot get moved at the nose and three four, Like
Speaker 1: that is that is a critical position where they cannot
Speaker 1: get pushed around. I'm not gonna play three four. That's
Speaker 1: you just want to say. He said, that's their base.
Speaker 1: And then he said, we're gonna play seventy percent of
Speaker 1: our snaps and nickel, which is the four man front.
Speaker 1: So the other thirty percent, what are we doing? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Figure it out signed somebody else's roster cut.
Speaker 1: When the roster gets cut, I just pick one ninety two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I get it. Pick one ninety two. That's I
Speaker 1: get it. Which loved the guy. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good player too. But you get drafted where
Speaker 1: you get drafted for a reason too. I said that
Speaker 1: about d Jay rat Loft too. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to the defensive M position. A tad high, four
Speaker 1: time Pro bowlers, a tad high. You just took it back.
Speaker 1: You showed him, you took it back fifteen years like
Speaker 1: j Every once in a while, the best seventh round
Speaker 1: draft pick in Cowboys history. Probably every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I had to guess. Maybe he was seventh round? He
Speaker 1: was fourth, wasn't he? I think Stock was a seventh
Speaker 1: I'll trust you on that one. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's ten. All right, let's talk about the defensive end
Speaker 1: position they drafted. Uh he was a third round pick
Speaker 1: out of Iowa. Uh at defensive end they have I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he was a tenth round pick, Roger staubo oh all
Speaker 1: the way back in nineteen sixty tenth round pick. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you just forgot the zero. That's fine. That was
Speaker 1: back when the NFL had baseball type drafts. Yeah, but yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, nobody cares. Thanks, Yeah, you kind of got
Speaker 1: us off. But um, okay, so we've got the defensive imposition.
Speaker 1: You got de Marcus Larns, you got Randy Gregory, got
Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong, Terrell Basham, Bradley, and I then you got
Speaker 1: the draft picks Shaunsey Gholston and you have Rondelle Carter
Speaker 1: from last year's Well, Um, which veterans you think are
Speaker 1: most at risk defensive in Hey, we probably ought to
Speaker 1: talk about britent Urban because I do think he factors
Speaker 1: into that as well. That's a tough one because, like
Speaker 1: right off the bat, Terrell Basham comes to mind, But
Speaker 1: they also signed him to a two year deal and
Speaker 1: the other guys that they got. They were one year deals,
Speaker 1: right exactly. You have to kind of yeah, well, if
Speaker 1: you're looking, I mean again, it's a maybe they don't
Speaker 1: want to admit it, but it's about more than just
Speaker 1: like who's playing against Tampa. Like Terrell Basham's under contract
Speaker 1: for two years. Who the hell knows what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory. Is he gonna blow the hell up?
Speaker 1: And you got to franchise him or sign up? Because
Speaker 1: I believe he is finally at the end of his
Speaker 1: deal whatever it is at this point. Didn't they give
Speaker 1: him an extension? But I think they gave him an
Speaker 1: extension to get to this point. I'm pretty sure. Well
Speaker 1: I know this, and I know this for other other
Speaker 1: reasons because of stuff that happens, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: trying to get guys to do appearances and stuff. He's
Speaker 1: not on his rookie year deal. No, that's you know,
Speaker 1: they have so many weird things have happened to Randy's contract,
Speaker 1: But he's finally at the end of it. He's since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Technically he's like the fourth longest tenured player
Speaker 1: on the team in terms of years that he's been here,
Speaker 1: not games played, but he's missed more games than he's played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's like sixty to forty. He's gonna make.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make two million dollars this year, and then
Speaker 1: he's finally able to hit free agency two or three
Speaker 1: years after he would have been able to interest. So
Speaker 1: he's what like late twenties. You said, franchise him. What
Speaker 1: if he freaking has like thirteen sacks. No, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: not that that's well that Marcus Lawrence did it, that
Speaker 1: would be surprising, But I'm just saying, franchising him. We
Speaker 1: know how what that price is, Yeah, we do. We
Speaker 1: also know how valuable it is when an edge rusher can.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just de Marcus Lawrence did the same
Speaker 1: thing like his career, But Dave, Dave will fight you
Speaker 1: on Bohanna be in a sixth rounte pick. That's gonna
Speaker 1: do to things like it's a little high. We are
Speaker 1: taking absolute crazy pills right now? Or did Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: show up and take Alden Smith's job last year? No,
Speaker 1: you are you are god. You are taking crazy pills.
Speaker 1: If you think he's gonna hit thirteen sacks like I
Speaker 1: think de Marcus Lawrence was a disappointing player until twenties.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying, the guy is
Speaker 1: super duper talented, got it, came on strong as hell
Speaker 1: last year. God it is used to the NFL like
Speaker 1: he's done this for all five. Had the talent to
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. It was never his talent
Speaker 1: that put him there. Okay, first time having a real
Speaker 1: off season and in a real year and you got
Speaker 1: to give him thirteen sacks. I'm saying you should at
Speaker 1: least think it's possible that he can do it. Absolutely well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible. I mean it's possible to Bohanna cannot believe
Speaker 1: we are comparing Quentin Bohanna to Randy Gregory right now.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Laurence would be the what would be the biggest
Speaker 1: surprise if you said, right now, Bohannah will start in
Speaker 1: your three four based defense and he'll start six or
Speaker 1: seven games, you know, based off of where they play,
Speaker 1: or Randy Gregory has thirteen sacks and they have to
Speaker 1: franchise him. Bohannah is more likely because there's not that
Speaker 1: much talent on this defensive line. But no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're You're insane, You're absolutely crazy. Are we assuming
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the field the whole season? Derek Apparent? Oh, Randy, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah. I don't see any reason why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know he's gonna be on the field. I think
Speaker 1: you know how many sacks to Marcus Lawrence had? You
Speaker 1: know how many sacks to Marcus Lawrence had before or
Speaker 1: he posted his fourteen and a half sack season that
Speaker 1: got enfranchised for his career? Do you know? Nine? Nine?
Speaker 1: He had? Nine? He had done with all due respect
Speaker 1: and injuries were part of it, but kind of jack
Speaker 1: squat by thirty fourth overall pick standards. Randy's got ten
Speaker 1: and a half and he had three and a half
Speaker 1: last year, and he played in like eight games. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna jump from three and a half. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: and let's just extrap late seven to thirteen, so he's
Speaker 1: gonna double this year. I just I you're comparing a
Speaker 1: Day three rookie to a fifth year NFL veteran who
Speaker 1: has shown the potential to do this. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: really not trying to think that comparison. I guess my
Speaker 1: point though, is good. I'm gonna meet in the middle
Speaker 1: there he might have thirteen and a half because he's
Speaker 1: gonna be rushing off the edge because they got this
Speaker 1: defensive tackle named Bohanna right down in the middle. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna help him do that. But you know what, they're
Speaker 1: gonna help each other. I'm just saying again and going
Speaker 1: back to the point, like this team, this defensive end
Speaker 1: is a bizarrely reported trouble spot for this team, like
Speaker 1: nobody and probably because there weren't any good edge rushers
Speaker 1: in this draft, but like in most years, people would
Speaker 1: be like, let's get the best end we can, like
Speaker 1: we've we've got DeMarcus and then a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: we're not sure about. Yeah, but I think that's also
Speaker 1: because like like at a lot of other positions, they
Speaker 1: didn't even have really bodies, let alone like the defensive
Speaker 1: and position. It may not be where you want it
Speaker 1: to be, but you got guys you think are relatively competent.
Speaker 1: You think DeMarcus is competent. Yes, you think Randy, as
Speaker 1: you're saying, is very competent. Right, so you at least
Speaker 1: got two starters at defensive end that you think are competent.
Speaker 1: You can't say that about a lot of other positions
Speaker 1: on the defense, which and all of these conversations to
Speaker 1: bring it back again like even Bohana, all of this
Speaker 1: is just a testament to how talent poor they've been
Speaker 1: on defense than anything. In my opinion, that's fair. But
Speaker 1: so to get way back on the track. And now
Speaker 1: that I know that y'all hate Randy Gregory, we go kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, that's all somebody just heard there though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be forever painted as the guys. I hate Randy.
Speaker 1: If you question somebody you know at all, that's right.
Speaker 1: Well he loves him and you hate him, right, simp,
Speaker 1: there's no in between. But it's such a fair argument,
Speaker 1: Like you know, not to agree with Dave right now.
Speaker 1: It's come on, that's what we do. It's you and
Speaker 1: me against the Olds. That's how this works, the Olds.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding all of this with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we're gonna get in a fight
Speaker 1: when we get on. But you know what, Randy, like
Speaker 1: I said on here like three years ago, he'll never
Speaker 1: play football for the Cowboys again. And he did. And
Speaker 1: I went up to him in the locker room and
Speaker 1: apologize straight to his face and told him, listen, I
Speaker 1: wasn't a believer. I'm proud of what you've been able
Speaker 1: to do and turn things around and all that. And
Speaker 1: he played four or five games and then he got
Speaker 1: suspended again and I was okay. So I've stopped making
Speaker 1: the comments about him, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I understand the rules are different, the things that he's
Speaker 1: that's kind of slowed them down. The rules are different there,
Speaker 1: and it'll be easier for him to play more games,
Speaker 1: I think, But you never know. I mean, she makes
Speaker 1: a point. I mean, are we assuming that can you
Speaker 1: assume anything with him? You just can't. And I hope so, man,
Speaker 1: I hope so because he is a joy to talk to.
Speaker 1: He really is. We talked about Jordan Lewis, Randy Greg.
Speaker 1: Randy's right up there. He is. He's a really really
Speaker 1: smart guy and I love talking to him. He's bringing
Speaker 1: when we get to interview him. He says some really
Speaker 1: cool things. So I'm we're pulling for him, I think
Speaker 1: all of us. I speak for everyone where everyone. The
Speaker 1: thing is, we have seen the talent that he has
Speaker 1: and we've seen him make it happen. So that obviously
Speaker 1: is not off the table either of what Dave is saying.
Speaker 1: You know, he can get there, we just haven't seen
Speaker 1: it yet. So that's the one thing it is. And
Speaker 1: you're hoping he can contract years are funny things. Man.
Speaker 1: Nobody saw Byron becoming an All pro either, And I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, and I think sometimes the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will show you what their confidence is with the position
Speaker 1: they got bash them. Okay, they didn't sign him for
Speaker 1: numbers that would that would unseat Randy Gregory. They didn't
Speaker 1: reach in the draft of got to get a defensive end,
Speaker 1: gotta get a guy there or leading. They got a
Speaker 1: third round you know, who can be a tweener. So
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't go we got to get one
Speaker 1: of those Miami rushers, you know. So they to me
Speaker 1: what they did and didn't do show that they've got
Speaker 1: some pretty good confidence and you know, leaning on him,
Speaker 1: Oh it'll be interesting. And the reason that I brought
Speaker 1: all of that up is just Basham gives you flexibility.
Speaker 1: I think, like, if something Randy's future is uncertain, let's
Speaker 1: just say that we don't have to put the ten
Speaker 1: sacks or thirteen sacks in there. But we don't know
Speaker 1: what the future holds for him, so it would be
Speaker 1: nice to have a placeholder who you know is under
Speaker 1: contract for the coming year. I think this is really
Speaker 1: interesting because obviously a Bradley and I is he's the
Speaker 1: golden child of the fan base right now because he
Speaker 1: was a very popular draft pick. People thought he got
Speaker 1: drafted a lot lower than he should have, and we
Speaker 1: haven't really seen him. So people are like, Bradley and I's,
Speaker 1: you know, coming for Dorin's Armstrong's job, and this, that
Speaker 1: and the other. But we know it well, we know
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong's really highly thought of here. And then they
Speaker 1: just spent the top one hundred pick on an edge
Speaker 1: rusher and Chauncey Golston. So like Bradley and I is
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, like he could act, he has
Speaker 1: no job security. And I know people don't want to
Speaker 1: hear that, but that's gonna make for an interesting position
Speaker 1: battle when they actually start playing. In only his second year,
Speaker 1: he's already kind of battling here. For if you're a
Speaker 1: draft is if like first through fourth round picks are
Speaker 1: the only guys that are safe as rookies in my experience,
Speaker 1: and then even if you're not doing it in year
Speaker 1: two as a fourth rounder, you're not safe yet. So
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Speaker 1: let's we got one more position. We gotta hit offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft Josh Ball fourth round out of what nothing
Speaker 1: Nick was just Nick implied something and was Chris said,
Speaker 1: Chris said it was funny. He was craving approval. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't crave improve Chris said, think. Chris said that
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Speaker 1: Josh Ball drafted in fourth round out of Marshall. Cowboys
Speaker 1: have currently Tyren Smith, Lyle Collins, Brandon Knight, Terren Steele
Speaker 1: who played a lot last year, so they come in
Speaker 1: this year with a lot more experience. Uh tye Insecki. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's perfect. That works. And then obviously Josh Ball,
Speaker 1: who the vets here that are that are looking at
Speaker 1: possibly being out the door because it really gets interesting
Speaker 1: you start thinking about Brandon Knight and and Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: because of the amount of experience have they gotten. Did
Speaker 1: they get better over last year to the point where
Speaker 1: maybe they could step up and be like even competition
Speaker 1: for Josh Ball to where Josh Ball becomes less important
Speaker 1: to this sent I hope. So, I mean that's why
Speaker 1: Terren Steele was playing, you know, I mean how many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks did he get hurt? And how many games? I
Speaker 1: mean how many games he affected games? Because but they
Speaker 1: were trying, they were they were pot committed on him,
Speaker 1: like to try to get him out there and can play.
Speaker 1: I never heard that term pot committed play poker. I
Speaker 1: don't sorry, I don't. Oh, that's a poker time it
Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean, once you just keep betting, yeah,
Speaker 1: bet now you got to see it all, might as
Speaker 1: well just keep betting because you put it all out there.
Speaker 1: That's what they were doing with him, and I think
Speaker 1: so I hope that he's better because I mean he
Speaker 1: got a lot of for undrafted rookie last year, he
Speaker 1: got a lot of playing time, and I think he
Speaker 1: did get better. I mean it was he had a
Speaker 1: little see I mean Low Florida start with, but he
Speaker 1: got better. And so do you ever here? I know
Speaker 1: you have had access to that side of the building
Speaker 1: and get to talk to certain people tier two pots
Speaker 1: on that access. Please, I was over there, but you
Speaker 1: got to run into certain people that most of us
Speaker 1: don't right now. But did you ever get a sense
Speaker 1: of whether scouts or training anyone as to maybe why
Speaker 1: they were so stuck on keeping still in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well it came down to they didn't have any other options.
Speaker 1: And last year was so weird because you couldn't just
Speaker 1: bring guys in off the street. There wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. It took two weeks to get a guy
Speaker 1: in tested and all that. So you gotta keep keep
Speaker 1: him going. And I think that he showed signs. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an athletic tackle, he's athletic um and he you know,
Speaker 1: he just keeps, he keeps fighting, he kept fighting. He
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't great, but he was the best they had.
Speaker 1: And well he wasn't the best they had. He was
Speaker 1: he was the had the most upside. They could have
Speaker 1: played what was his name, Jordan's Mills, they could have
Speaker 1: played Greg Soot had a little bit more, but they're
Speaker 1: not going to be here next year. And they knew
Speaker 1: when when it got to the point of the season
Speaker 1: where it's probably not gonna go like we wanted to,
Speaker 1: let's just keep playing him. And so I think he
Speaker 1: did get he got better. Yeah, I think I agree
Speaker 1: with that perfectly. And like I gotta say, I know,
Speaker 1: I know he didn't have a great year, but like
Speaker 1: I you know, you get thrown in the fire like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this should be in the third or
Speaker 1: fourth tackle should be great for you. Now if you
Speaker 1: had to be the second one and some you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the first one for so much of the years,
Speaker 1: so that can only help. I wonder if Brandon Knight's
Speaker 1: going to wind up at guard, because if you think
Speaker 1: about it, they drafted Ball who everybody says only slipped
Speaker 1: because of the domestic violence allegations. So that's a talented
Speaker 1: guy and Secky's been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: You still have Terrence Steele, So now it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I know we needed all of these tackles last year,
Speaker 1: but how many tackles do we need if everybody's healthy?
Speaker 1: And Brandon Knight has played guard here before. I believe
Speaker 1: he played guarded Indiana so and I know they drafted
Speaker 1: Matt Farnioc in the seventh round, but like in terms
Speaker 1: of big time additions, they didn't do a whole lot
Speaker 1: to the interior. So that's a possibility. Ty and Secki's
Speaker 1: probably the guy. Like if Josh Ball is just the
Speaker 1: truth and you also have Terrence Steele, then maybe that's
Speaker 1: a veteran salary you can get rid of. Would you
Speaker 1: guys agree that Brandon Knight kind of as a season
Speaker 1: wore on, He got a little worse, and I think
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele got a little better. I think I would
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, i'd I'd like to go back
Speaker 1: and watch, but that I feel like I remember thinking
Speaker 1: that like night was you and me both were like,
Speaker 1: can we get a look at night? And he played
Speaker 1: well for a while, and then by the end of
Speaker 1: the season it seemed like it was catching up to him.
Speaker 1: I think Guard would be a good spot for him.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I just feel like I said
Speaker 1: it many times. I think if he went into his closet,
Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of shirts, a black t shirts
Speaker 1: that say he's like staff on the back, you know,
Speaker 1: just a bouncer. I mean, he's just a brawler. I
Speaker 1: think I think Guard, I think this is his spot. Um,
Speaker 1: how many tackles are you keeping in the roster? Four? Right?
Speaker 1: I would like to keep four like some teams keep three,
Speaker 1: but with on this team. Yeah, and then there are
Speaker 1: some of these guys that are flexible that can kind
Speaker 1: of you can kind of move them around. So how
Speaker 1: many of those flexible guys are you trying to keep?
Speaker 1: See That's that's the thing about Brandon Night could be
Speaker 1: you know, you can keep four guards, four tackles, and
Speaker 1: you keep him and it's basically like having nine guys,
Speaker 1: but it's like having five and five. I would go
Speaker 1: heavy on offensive line for this team like some you know,
Speaker 1: e you some teams will say you can get away
Speaker 1: with eight, and I think the Cowboys have done it
Speaker 1: before when you know, like when Tyrone was a lot healthier.
Speaker 1: If they wanted to keep ten. I wouldn't even know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering, Like, because of what happened last year,
Speaker 1: are they may be thinking of keeping more because you
Speaker 1: cannot trust anyone's health. I mean we saw it last year.
Speaker 1: Everyone was getting hurt and going in and out of
Speaker 1: the line. So does that change maybe as to how
Speaker 1: many they did keep this year? You know, I just
Speaker 1: thought of this. That question makes me think of another
Speaker 1: question that needs to be asked. What is the protocols
Speaker 1: this year? Like they need to figure that out too,
Speaker 1: Like do you bring it? Can you bring a guy
Speaker 1: in on Monday and he plays Sunday? Because that could
Speaker 1: not happen last year? And if and if that is,
Speaker 1: if it is going to be a challenge to bring
Speaker 1: guys off the street and work them out, then I
Speaker 1: agree with one hundred percent one hundred and twenty percent.
Speaker 1: Like I agree even more that you need more more offensive.
Speaker 1: I'm and stack it up there because if not, you
Speaker 1: can't just be that's churning it. You have to keep
Speaker 1: that in mind. It sucks like nobody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about COVID anymore. Nobody ever wanted to talk about COVID,
Speaker 1: But it's true like it's it's all you know that
Speaker 1: it's a whole different world when you're like, well, if
Speaker 1: we bring this guy in today, he might be able
Speaker 1: to get onto the field in two weeks, as opposed
Speaker 1: to the old school NFL style where you know, guy
Speaker 1: gets hurt on Sunday night and his replacements at practice
Speaker 1: working on Wednesday morning. You know, like it's just vaccination
Speaker 1: may change things, I know, and we just we don't
Speaker 1: have answers about how OTAs are going to work in
Speaker 1: two weeks. So you know, we're just gonna that's just
Speaker 1: gonna take some patience to see how it all unfolds. Well,
Speaker 1: that actually brings up an interesting topic before you. The
Speaker 1: show Rookie Minicamp starts this weekend, and they are still
Speaker 1: on the same protocols that they've been on throughout the season,
Speaker 1: So nothing has really changed there from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: access and that sort of thing. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: and I will I want some feedback from you guys.
Speaker 1: What do you think, what do you expect to see
Speaker 1: this weekend and what are you looking to see? Obviously
Speaker 1: get you know, this is just kind of an acclamation
Speaker 1: for the rookies, but what kind of stuff do you
Speaker 1: guys look at when you go out here to watch
Speaker 1: this rookie mini caamp every year, The first thing I
Speaker 1: like to look at is their body. I know that
Speaker 1: sounds weird, but no, but we see the measurements, we
Speaker 1: see how tall they are, how much they wait, but
Speaker 1: it's very different when you see them on the field
Speaker 1: next to each other. So that's the one thing that
Speaker 1: has always attracted me as the first impression type of thing.
Speaker 1: The body type, the body build, how they look. Do
Speaker 1: they look like the guy the reference you always use
Speaker 1: snake the bus reference. Do they look like a guy
Speaker 1: you want coming off the bus first? So that's the
Speaker 1: main thing for me, because again it's not like we're
Speaker 1: gonna get a whole lot. We're not gonna learn a
Speaker 1: whole lot in this first minicamp. So for sure, me
Speaker 1: would be that just looking at how they physically look
Speaker 1: and fit on the field, you're gonna love the wide
Speaker 1: receivers then, because all the rookie free agents, every one
Speaker 1: of them. Let reading Kyle Yeoman's uh you know reports
Speaker 1: on these guys for the undrafted, Uh, they're all red
Speaker 1: zone guys. We got six four six five former basketball
Speaker 1: players that from Eagles, vasher Um the Mississippi State. What's
Speaker 1: his name, Osiris Smith? Should I think yes? And then
Speaker 1: when the draft picks big two semi fooko six four right,
Speaker 1: So I mean the same thing for the cornerbacks if
Speaker 1: you want to go there. So they definitely draft, you know,
Speaker 1: for you know, big guys. And he looking I mean
Speaker 1: looking like a redwood forest out there, just six two
Speaker 1: six three six four guys all over the place. You're
Speaker 1: looking forward to getting back in the locker room. Watch
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph is Kelvin Joseph is gonna look tiny and
Speaker 1: he's like six flats. So he's the one I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll be looking at too, and you can
Speaker 1: you can find you can see how fluid he is
Speaker 1: with his hips and how he turns and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and if he's got it, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know he's the one that he's I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Parsons is going to be what he is and
Speaker 1: he's got to be a really good player for this
Speaker 1: for you know, for the draft class to work. But
Speaker 1: I think the wildcard on it is is Joseph. And
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, we'll see where he is. I
Speaker 1: think anticlimactics probably a good word. I think they're only
Speaker 1: like it's only it's only gonna be twenty five guys.
Speaker 1: And I saw today, you know, there was a report
Speaker 1: that the Nucci was gonna be allowed. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. Well he can't now, like so you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't think they even have enough guys throwing
Speaker 1: the ball, that's my point. Yeah, the report said something
Speaker 1: to the effect of, they're they're gonna try to go
Speaker 1: get some guys that they signed for workouts. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get some arm like bodies. But like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a good idea. There
Speaker 1: you go, I don't think it would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: Away too true that they actually have me on tape
Speaker 1: throwing the ball and they kicked them off the quarterback
Speaker 1: position on the flag football. Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was exactly what happened, but
Speaker 1: what I heard, he's an injury reserve. That's true. That's
Speaker 1: I think. I think you're just getting to look at
Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, and I know they will, but
Speaker 1: like be careful with these guys like Michael Parsons, didn't
Speaker 1: have a football season. So like people love to talk
Speaker 1: about how out of shape you are just doing the
Speaker 1: draft process after a season because it's so much different.
Speaker 1: Well imagine that. But you haven't played in a football
Speaker 1: game since January or December of twenty eighteen, right, is
Speaker 1: that no? Twenty nineteen? I'm sorry nineteen? Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: just he's these guys back? How many of these guys?
Speaker 1: I think Micah is the only opt out if that's
Speaker 1: what you're going to ask. Yeah, yeah, because I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: how is that going to affect? Like? But he's very
Speaker 1: important to what you wanted to say. Everybody else played,
Speaker 1: but he's the most important one. Let's ease him in.
Speaker 1: We don't need to. I don't need you doing anything
Speaker 1: crazy in your first time back on a field in
Speaker 1: a year and a half. All right, that's a rap, guys.
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