Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of
Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hi there,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Steve, I'm Joe, I'm Devin.
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Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways the podcast, and this week we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a story that probably a lot of
Speaker 1: people haven't heard about, which is the Battle over Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: Ang Angeles. You're talking about the movie, right, Have you
Speaker 1: seen that movie? It looks action packed. Well, anybody who's
Speaker 1: seen the movie will probably agree with me. As a
Speaker 1: feature length film, it was garbage. It was really bad.
Speaker 1: But the great thing about that movie is if you've
Speaker 1: seen it, you actually know about the story that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about today because in that movie, at
Speaker 1: the beginning, they put up some fake newspaper clippings or headings,
Speaker 1: headlines that talk about the Battle of Los Angeles. They
Speaker 1: do I don't know if this is intentional or accidental,
Speaker 1: but they sort of got the year in the date wrong,
Speaker 1: but they talk about the event. Yeah, well, so, so
Speaker 1: the event was a precursor, like a scouting mission according
Speaker 1: to the movie. Yes, yeah, that's where they're going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why whenever I see anything in the skyt I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, I get at my fifty
Speaker 1: cow and start blazing away up because I know they're
Speaker 1: a scouting mission. Lane. Well, let's let's move to the story,
Speaker 1: all right. If anybody who knows their World War two
Speaker 1: history will remember that the attack on Pearl Harbor happened
Speaker 1: on the seventh of December, and immediately after that, the
Speaker 1: United States jumped into World War two and the population
Speaker 1: was all behind it. Everybody was gung ho. But there
Speaker 1: were also a lot of fears that the Axis would attack.
Speaker 1: I believe it was mostly the Japanese people were worried
Speaker 1: about We're gonna attack our native soil, and then they
Speaker 1: actually actually did. They sent those balloon bombs. Over there
Speaker 1: were balloon bombs, and there were a lot of scares,
Speaker 1: and like the balloon bombs, there were a couple of
Speaker 1: things that did actually happen which didn't cause any damage
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, and and actually one of those attacks
Speaker 1: is the precursor to the Battle of Los Angeles or
Speaker 1: over Los Angeles, depending on where you read. It's said
Speaker 1: in a number of different ways, but that having been said,
Speaker 1: on the February, a Japanese submarine surfaced outside of Galena, California,
Speaker 1: which is on the coast, and it fired fifteen shells
Speaker 1: at an oil refinery. Thankfully, their aim is really bad,
Speaker 1: so they didn't damage make any serious damage to anything
Speaker 1: like the movies. Actually kind of kind of, but they did.
Speaker 1: They did scare the crap out of a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and then they they you know, descended and disappeared. Nobody
Speaker 1: knew where they were. The US Naval Intelligence Service put
Speaker 1: out a warning. And remember this first attack was on
Speaker 1: the twenty three. They put out a warning that said
Speaker 1: that on the four there was likely to be another
Speaker 1: Japanese attack on the coast to California, presumably in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: So so they were like at the red level of
Speaker 1: the Terriller. Yeah, they blacked out. I think they had
Speaker 1: a citywide blackout. Or you were supposed to keep your lights,
Speaker 1: you know, you draw the curtains, you keep it dark.
Speaker 1: Ye with hooded headlights and all that stuff. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that we have better targeting technology these days,
Speaker 1: so we don't need to put the blackout because it
Speaker 1: wouldn't do us any good. Yeah, so we don't need
Speaker 1: to go to all that. No, we don't have to
Speaker 1: go through all that. It must have been a great
Speaker 1: time for stargazing, probably was. Yeah, No, what is light pollution? Right?
Speaker 1: No light pollution? That has been kind of nice, that
Speaker 1: would be kind Yeah. Well this, uh, this warning goes
Speaker 1: into effect and it went into effect at seven eighteen
Speaker 1: pm and it was turned off or went out of
Speaker 1: effect at ten twenty three pm because nothing had happened.
Speaker 1: There was nothing going on, so the naval intelligence said, well, nope,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, Like, well, if it was gonna happen, at
Speaker 1: would have happened already. There's no way that they could
Speaker 1: be running a little late exactly exactly three hour window
Speaker 1: and they didn't arrive. So the reservation is canceled five
Speaker 1: minutes in the extra five minutes. That really doesn't that's
Speaker 1: kind of mystifying it and of itself. It's really yeah,
Speaker 1: they get they're out there. They can pretty much pop
Speaker 1: up and shout shoot at anytime they feel like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Usually that's kind of what happens, well sometime after midnight.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the twenty five February unidentified objects
Speaker 1: or a object we're not really sure, which was picked
Speaker 1: up about a hundred miles off of the California coast.
Speaker 1: As a side note, when I was doing the reading,
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how they knew that this thing
Speaker 1: was a hundred or a hundred and twenty miles out
Speaker 1: because radar technology at that time had a range of
Speaker 1: twenty two miles. Could it have been like a warship?
Speaker 1: Could there is such thing as radar picket ships were there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could have been. It could have been a warship.
Speaker 1: Ooomed that it was ground based radar. That's why I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure, but that that would explain it. If they
Speaker 1: were expecting something from Japan, they likely would have had
Speaker 1: a lot of Obviously had the more notice the better,
Speaker 1: So having having a line of ships out there off
Speaker 1: shore probably would be a good idea. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: that explains that piece. So it's it's about a hundred
Speaker 1: hundred twenty miles out they pick up an object or objects.
Speaker 1: The reports are unclear. At two twenty a m. The
Speaker 1: city of Los Angeles was pushed into another blackout because
Speaker 1: these objects are single object again, I don't know which
Speaker 1: it is, had made their way to the coast, and
Speaker 1: we they figured that it was over the city or
Speaker 1: approaching the city, So let's black it out so they
Speaker 1: don't know where the city is at so they can't
Speaker 1: bomb the city. Yeah, exactly. Logic is super sound. But okay,
Speaker 1: well when you if you think about the technology that
Speaker 1: day and age just not not that advance. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to bomb a target that I can see, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's not lit up, I don't know exactly where
Speaker 1: it is, so I don't know where it is. Let
Speaker 1: this is pretty obvious to everybody now, but the residents
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles are freaking out because the city has
Speaker 1: just been forced into a blackout. Did they just like
Speaker 1: cut the generators? They just cut the power? Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: reports of people who were at diners or at places
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden boom, power is gone. They
Speaker 1: just shut I know the sound effect that goes along
Speaker 1: with that, Yeah, yeah, you know, oh yeah, and the
Speaker 1: light exactly like that. What's that that sound? What do
Speaker 1: you lose that, pac Man? Yeah, that's the one. We're
Speaker 1: really off topic, all right. So, like I said, the
Speaker 1: people are freaking out. There were reports that varied, and
Speaker 1: I mean varied all over the map, from twenty five
Speaker 1: planes at twelve thousand feet into the air to a
Speaker 1: balloon with a flare on it. So I mean people
Speaker 1: are kind of kind of everybody's calling in saying I
Speaker 1: saw this, I saw that. They're just hysteria, I guess
Speaker 1: is the best way to say it, which, when you
Speaker 1: think about it is it's kind of silly because Los
Speaker 1: Angeles is a big place, and five planes, even if
Speaker 1: they've got bombs on them, the chances of one of
Speaker 1: those bombs hitting you is about the same chances as
Speaker 1: you winning the lottery. I don't think you have much
Speaker 1: to worry about it. I think that people who live
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles have higher expectations of winning the lottery.
Speaker 1: That's good point. And they probably think that those planes
Speaker 1: are coming precisely for them. Yeah, because hey, I live
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. No offense. Oh yeah, but that reminds
Speaker 1: me of a joke. But I'll tell you later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us that later. At three thirty am on February,
Speaker 1: something is detected and the anti aircraft installations that were
Speaker 1: spread around the city start going off. What what did?
Speaker 1: What are those that is fifty caliber guns that are hidden? No,
Speaker 1: they were, They were there installations because the war effort.
Speaker 1: They were prepared for a coastal attacks and they had
Speaker 1: I believe it was six different locations around the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles area. They had these fifty caliber guns. And these
Speaker 1: guns are shooting twelve point eight pound rounds. That's what
Speaker 1: they shoot into the air. I think that I don't
Speaker 1: think there are fifty cows. I mean because let me,
Speaker 1: the project on the fifty cows just weighs a lot
Speaker 1: less than that. But a lot of anti aircraft guns
Speaker 1: are like kind of like cannons and shoot these shells
Speaker 1: that explode in mid air. Rights the bullets. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they're not bullets, they're they're frag fragmenting rounds is what
Speaker 1: that is. And uh, my dad was in the in
Speaker 1: the bomb squad when I was a kid and so
Speaker 1: I've kind of it took me a while as I
Speaker 1: was reading about this, and people may not understand this,
Speaker 1: but how an anti aircraft gun works, especially in those days,
Speaker 1: is it's not a guided rocket. It's just it's a
Speaker 1: grenade that you pump into the air and it gets
Speaker 1: a certain set height and then it explodes based on
Speaker 1: its fuse, and it just fragments and just throws all
Speaker 1: this shrapnel around, just on the hope that it'll like
Speaker 1: tear up as much as it possibly can whatever's in
Speaker 1: its range of fire. He's gonna get blasted's if you've
Speaker 1: ever watched those are old, old World War two movies
Speaker 1: and there's things going off, and there's all this rending
Speaker 1: metal in the plane of what whoever's flying. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's all this fragment material, I'm learning. And
Speaker 1: by the way, of course, there's always the inevitability of
Speaker 1: gravity which pulls her back down. All those metal fragments
Speaker 1: you're putting into the air, dudes, yeah, they come back
Speaker 1: up back down to earth. You know. A funny a
Speaker 1: side story is, like I said, my dad was in
Speaker 1: the military and he dealt with the bomb squad. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was a teenager. He was on some
Speaker 1: exers eyes and they were using fragmenting rounds. He actually
Speaker 1: got one stuck in his finger. Yeah, a round went
Speaker 1: off and it was a stray piece and hit his
Speaker 1: hand and hit his I think it's his his trigger finger,
Speaker 1: and he had to go to the hospital and have
Speaker 1: a pulled out. This day, he's got a pretty hefty
Speaker 1: scar on that finger, a purple heart. I hope no,
Speaker 1: because it was a training exercise. But we did call
Speaker 1: him frag Finger for a while. That was just kind
Speaker 1: of a family joke. But anyway, so they they're shooting
Speaker 1: these rounds into the air. The shooting happens for half
Speaker 1: an hour, just like blindly, where they just like there
Speaker 1: their searchlights going on there, trying to focus there, trying
Speaker 1: to find whatever enemy craft is in the air, and
Speaker 1: they're just they're going after it. During this half hour,
Speaker 1: they shot one thousand, four hundred forty rounds into the air.
Speaker 1: That must have been fun. That's a lot it was.
Speaker 1: According to accounts I've read, it was like watching a
Speaker 1: fireworks show. Just explosions all over in the video, right,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of it's just like old film
Speaker 1: and you're like looking and you're just like, like, it
Speaker 1: just looks like explosion, explosion. You can't hardly see anything.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to talk about this with like
Speaker 1: theories and stuff, but it's just like explosions, explosions, Everything
Speaker 1: is just happening all over. The sad thing is is
Speaker 1: that you really don't want to be outside Washington because
Speaker 1: all that all that metal is going to rain down
Speaker 1: like you got your neck crane back, and that is
Speaker 1: one of the things. There was a lot of property
Speaker 1: damage all those fragments coming back down. There's pictures of
Speaker 1: houses with holes in them, cars with holes in them,
Speaker 1: duds that came down and punched through driveways and streets
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's seven damage. Several people were killed just
Speaker 1: from metal fragments coming down to No, actually people didn't
Speaker 1: die from fragments. The deaths that were reported from what
Speaker 1: I can piece together in the less sensationalized versions, is
Speaker 1: there was at least one, if not too heart attacks
Speaker 1: from all of the commotion, and a couple of deaths
Speaker 1: in traffic accidents because what's going on and you're seeing
Speaker 1: all this stuff and you're looking up as you're driving
Speaker 1: and you're not paying attention to where you're going and
Speaker 1: you hit something, and as the heart, people were probably
Speaker 1: gonna have heart attacks anyway, sooner or later they'll have
Speaker 1: heart attacks. That was probably yeah, probably not even related. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: during the time this half hour that we're putting all
Speaker 1: this ordinance into the air, more crazy accounts are happening.
Speaker 1: So the so the accounting from when the firing stopped
Speaker 1: to when it finished start to finish completely unreliable because
Speaker 1: it was there were there were reports that there was
Speaker 1: a craft in the air that was moving between quote
Speaker 1: unquote very slow to two. There were multiples at least
Speaker 1: these four enemy craft were shot down and one of
Speaker 1: them crashed onto one of the major roads in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: which but the wreckage mysteriously disappeared exactly nothing. Nothing was found,
Speaker 1: Nothing was found on the ground in terms of enemy craft.
Speaker 1: So there's a big issue. But the other thing is
Speaker 1: that after they had done all this firing, so the
Speaker 1: searchlights are going on, there were pumping all these rounds
Speaker 1: in the air. We're trying to find an enemy and
Speaker 1: just hose him with it and cut them down. They
Speaker 1: stopped the firing and then forty p thirty eight fighters
Speaker 1: are launched from one of the local military installations to
Speaker 1: go into the air find these enemy craft and track
Speaker 1: them down. Didn't find anything. Nobody else was up there,
Speaker 1: no other enemy craft. Like I said, there was nothing
Speaker 1: that was on the ground, no dead, no wreckage, nothing.
Speaker 1: There's a I'm just gonna do a little aside here.
Speaker 1: There's a episode of Futurama where there's kill bots and
Speaker 1: you know, you know the kill bots rights like just
Speaker 1: machine guns that are robots. What a great idea. And there,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many jokes scenes about this, right
Speaker 1: where like somebody will be like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it seems like there was a fire and they'd be
Speaker 1: like fire and they'd start to fire and be like
Speaker 1: and you'd just be like every you know, just like chaos.
Speaker 1: And I a little bit feel like that happened. Like
Speaker 1: somebody was like, oh, there's something the sky fire. Everyone
Speaker 1: was like, fire, we're gonna fire, We're just expect. The
Speaker 1: first battery opens up and then all the other batteries.
Speaker 1: There's something going on and they got a little trigger happy,
Speaker 1: and then everybody was like, oh, we better join in.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a little bit, but that's exactly and I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to tread on because that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of the way I was thinking of it is it's
Speaker 1: the old movie trope of one guy fires and suddenly
Speaker 1: we'll know we're firing up. We were just shooting he
Speaker 1: started it. Oh yeah. And then thinking about it is
Speaker 1: too it's a flat grounds. When they go off, they
Speaker 1: actually makes they leave a trace of smoke, makes smokes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the air was pretty smoky up there, exactly,
Speaker 1: and when and then and then searchlights are moving across
Speaker 1: all that layer of smoke. And we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about some of that when we get into the theories.
Speaker 1: But it is there is a lot of smoke in
Speaker 1: the air because of all this, plus rounds that are
Speaker 1: up there exploding, you know, it just turned into a
Speaker 1: murky mess. Yeah, it was. It's Los Angeles that already
Speaker 1: was not probably not as bad. But so did the
Speaker 1: military say anything about this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they put
Speaker 1: out some reports. Okay, the next day, one military official
Speaker 1: said that the entire thing happened due to a false
Speaker 1: alarm fire exactly. There was another guy who swore that
Speaker 1: he had seen an aircraft and it was most certainly
Speaker 1: some kind of craft in the air. Now, remember At
Speaker 1: this point, the term UFO isn't in circulation, so they
Speaker 1: weren't saying it was a UFO, but he said, I
Speaker 1: definitely saw something in the air. He was shortly thereafter. Mothball.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mothball means he was retired. I think that
Speaker 1: what you're thinking of is like Cashiered, that's another one,
Speaker 1: basically put him out to farm. Yeah, yeah, mothball. This
Speaker 1: one he like takes something to put it in storage
Speaker 1: for for the possibility of future usage. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: well Cashiered mean same thing. Yeah, because he was he
Speaker 1: was canned. He was caned, he was, he was done.
Speaker 1: They put him on pension. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: your service. Actually put him on pension because like he
Speaker 1: just kept talking. Now he was, as I understanding, the guy,
Speaker 1: the guy had been in for Yeah, he was, he was.
Speaker 1: He was a high ranking official. He was very decorated.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like some private who just thank you private, You're done,
Speaker 1: get out of here. Let's see. There was a show
Speaker 1: War Department statement, and I love the official War Department
Speaker 1: statement by R. I really like the fact that it
Speaker 1: was called the War Department Department of Defense. I like
Speaker 1: war better. Yeah, it's just got a better ring to it. Yea.
Speaker 1: So the War Department said, and I quote, either they
Speaker 1: were commercial planes operated by an enemy from secret fields
Speaker 1: in California or Mexico, or they were light planes launched
Speaker 1: from Japanese submarines. In either case, the enemy's purpose must
Speaker 1: have been to locate anti aircraft defenses in the area
Speaker 1: or to deliver a blow at civilian morale. Mission mission accomplished. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're definitely going to locate the anti anti
Speaker 1: aircraft batteries in the area by sacrificing yourself. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course there's no reason to do that because I mean,
Speaker 1: as we all know from from the decryptions of the
Speaker 1: Venona have you heard of Vanona? This it sounds sort
Speaker 1: of there, but I'm it's not ringing a bell. Well,
Speaker 1: none of us. This big project basically, so we intercepted
Speaker 1: and decrypted all the communications between Japan and basically all
Speaker 1: of their allies and their spies in the US. So
Speaker 1: essentially we were aware of the fact that there were
Speaker 1: Japanese spies in America, you know, So we were well
Speaker 1: aware of this. That's and that's why the Japanese were
Speaker 1: in turn, and what was by the way, let me stay.
Speaker 1: It's like was not fair because it was a really
Speaker 1: bad movie. And then I'm sure we're not spies, but
Speaker 1: there were a good number of spies in that community
Speaker 1: and so um, and that all came out, you know,
Speaker 1: decades afterwards when they finally classified this stuff. So you've
Speaker 1: got all these spies on the ground, and there's really
Speaker 1: no need to sacrifice planes and pilots to try to
Speaker 1: find out where the anti aircraft batteries are. It's a
Speaker 1: little extremely Yeah, it's a kind of a hard way
Speaker 1: to go about. Tough to get somebody to volunteer for
Speaker 1: that task, especially when you know. The thing about it
Speaker 1: is you send a couple of planes in there and
Speaker 1: they get shot down and killed. How's it going to
Speaker 1: like report back to the positions to the end. But
Speaker 1: that's what the spies are for, right, Like the spies
Speaker 1: can't figure it out because they're just like hidden in
Speaker 1: like towers or whatever, and then sitting on the top
Speaker 1: of ridges, obviously with a big gun on it, so
Speaker 1: it was hidden. It had a ribbon on it, probably
Speaker 1: like a tree maybe like around it, so they couldn't
Speaker 1: tell where it was. So they were like all right,
Speaker 1: send a couple of jets in or not jets, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: planes in, and the things will go off and we'll
Speaker 1: be like, okay, we can mark them on the map
Speaker 1: and then we'll send the map back to you guys,
Speaker 1: and then we'll know where they are, which I don't
Speaker 1: know why that would be helpful, yeah, to just know
Speaker 1: where they are, but sure, yeah, exactly, Yeah, the whole
Speaker 1: and the other purpose, of course is if you plan
Speaker 1: a massive area to Los Angeles, don't you have better
Speaker 1: things to do with your military assets, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, destroying military assets rather than just bombing
Speaker 1: civilian city. Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole. The whole
Speaker 1: statement by the War Department was a little weird to me,
Speaker 1: and I kind of equated to saving face. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that they didn't want to admit that they had
Speaker 1: screwed up. That somebody yelled fire, that somebody yeah well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, although you know, for the guy's way up higher,
Speaker 1: it's not that embarrassing because there's just some yokels down
Speaker 1: their men in the anti anti aircraft battery. So yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: sorry built this trigger. Sorry sorry, Well that's the story.
Speaker 1: So now let's get into some theories about what happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: and right off the bat, the easiest theory is, well, duh,
Speaker 1: it was us. Yeah, well, okay, let's be honest here, right,
Speaker 1: let's be very honest. Technically, it was an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 1: The unidentified flying object you mean that class of UFO
Speaker 1: that we call flying saucers, Well, that is one of them.
Speaker 1: And actually there's multiple UFO theory's on this one. I
Speaker 1: really I think I kind of sold your thunder today, Evan,
Speaker 1: because I know you love the UFO style story and
Speaker 1: this I believe has three, if not for components. I
Speaker 1: can't believe you stole this story from me. Then yeah
Speaker 1: you can. You're right fine selling me out. Okay, theory
Speaker 1: number one, it was a friendly flying saucer that just
Speaker 1: happened have super awesome shields. Okay, here's the theory. You
Speaker 1: remember we were talking about the news footage earlier and
Speaker 1: the floodlights that were in the air where there's also
Speaker 1: a very iconic photo that was run in the l
Speaker 1: A Times that is multiple search lights all shining on
Speaker 1: one location. Now that photo we're going to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but that photo is what a lot of UFO enthusiasts
Speaker 1: are drawn to in this storyogists those people too, And
Speaker 1: what they do is that everybody says, well, obviously they
Speaker 1: were focusing on something and it must have been a UFO. Uh.
Speaker 1: They say that, you know, it must have had fantastic shields,
Speaker 1: and so it was. It didn't get hurt by all
Speaker 1: of it, the flat and I was able to go
Speaker 1: into warp drive and get out of there right. And
Speaker 1: they had to be benevolent because they didn't shoot back,
Speaker 1: so they must have been friendly absolutely out of that
Speaker 1: or we really ticked them off. And they're heading back
Speaker 1: to the Mother's ship and they're coming back right there. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be quick, which is a hundred years
Speaker 1: for them. That's a short, short hop. Here's how our
Speaker 1: friends proved their theory. I'm sorry, let's refer to them
Speaker 1: as upologists. Here's how the US. I can't say that word,
Speaker 1: which is why I wasn't doing I'm not good with
Speaker 1: my word. Uh. This is how they proved that there
Speaker 1: had to have been something in those spotlights. They put
Speaker 1: it in photoshop and they adjust the holy crap out
Speaker 1: of it until a shape appears at the apex of
Speaker 1: all of those saucer shape. I just did that at
Speaker 1: work today, did you Yeah? Did you do that with
Speaker 1: that that Los Angeles time? No? I did it with
Speaker 1: a picture of some people and they suddenly turned really
Speaker 1: really pale and unhappy looking. Yeah. Photo was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun. But here's my problem. Well, yeah, that original
Speaker 1: photo was retouched. When they took that photo. To make
Speaker 1: it proper for print and stand out from the page,
Speaker 1: they had to doctor the negative. They used white paint
Speaker 1: on the negative to really really make sharp contrast. So
Speaker 1: that is not a reliable image. It's just sad too,
Speaker 1: because you know, the original negative has been pretty much
Speaker 1: just defaced. So it has. But there was actually somebody
Speaker 1: found a copy of it in two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 1: Was it a copy of it or was it just
Speaker 1: like a frame or it was an original. It was
Speaker 1: a copy of the original native before they did the
Speaker 1: photo retouching, so it didn't have paint and all that
Speaker 1: other crowd on it. And they did the same thing.
Speaker 1: They scanned the negative, they did all the analysis and
Speaker 1: they didn't find as much of a distinct object in there,
Speaker 1: which I personally believe that distinct object was probably the paint.
Speaker 1: But they didn't find nearly as much there, but they
Speaker 1: still say, well, we we found something because we knew
Speaker 1: what we were looking for. You know, I looked at
Speaker 1: these pictures online and I think I would agree that
Speaker 1: it vaguely looks like there's something there. But in my opinion,
Speaker 1: what it looks like is there is like twelve different
Speaker 1: spotlights all coming together to form a like a super
Speaker 1: bright spot, a bright spot on a on a cloud
Speaker 1: of smoke or just a cloud or just whatever. That
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't look like there's anything solid or
Speaker 1: like of any kind of substance. Well, you know, and
Speaker 1: the thing about it is too, is that even if
Speaker 1: you had the original negative, it was very dark out
Speaker 1: and so that one spot where they all came together
Speaker 1: was so bright considering the settings of the everything, it
Speaker 1: was so overexposed. It was that part of the photo
Speaker 1: was completely blown out. And you know what the best
Speaker 1: part is, Yeah, it's obvious that it's an extended shot.
Speaker 1: It had to be an extended shot. It's the late exposure.
Speaker 1: And for anybody that looks at this image, there's a
Speaker 1: really easy way to figure it out. Don't look at
Speaker 1: the bright spot where all the spotlights are coming together.
Speaker 1: But instead look at all the little explosions, which are
Speaker 1: those anti aircraft rounds going off. There's I don't know
Speaker 1: a dozen or so of them, all exploding at once,
Speaker 1: talking about well, there's the convergent point where the spots
Speaker 1: are at. And then as you look in that dark
Speaker 1: skier you will see all those Yeah, I think those
Speaker 1: are lens flares. I don't think that know that it's
Speaker 1: it had to have been a delayed exposure, and there
Speaker 1: was only, like I said, four to six locations that
Speaker 1: were shooting rounds off. Well, they can only shoot so
Speaker 1: fast and everything couldn't have been exploding all at once,
Speaker 1: so it had to be a several second, if not
Speaker 1: a minute long explosion. Yeah. So anyway, Yeah, the up
Speaker 1: shot of it is, though, is that that that center
Speaker 1: spot where the saucer supposedly was completely blown out. Oh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't care how sophisticated your computer software is. You
Speaker 1: can't restore information that's been destroyed, right, if it's gone,
Speaker 1: I know, and I do not disagree with you at all. Well,
Speaker 1: and it you know, it's gone in a really interesting way,
Speaker 1: but it's gone. Yeah, it's yeah, it's no longer there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so that is the first ufologists theory.
Speaker 1: Did I say that word right? I think it's actually
Speaker 1: post you guys. Next UFO theory is that it was
Speaker 1: a horde of little alien ships. So here's here's what
Speaker 1: they say. Is that. Well, actually we we talked about this.
Speaker 1: The footage, the video footage, I don't know. I did
Speaker 1: not get a chance to look at that. Okay, before
Speaker 1: we get into the footage. I know I told Devon this,
Speaker 1: but I really really love listening to the narration because
Speaker 1: it was old news film and it was in the
Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Los Angeles. You're just
Speaker 1: really funny to hurt it here it pronounced that way
Speaker 1: rather than Los Angeles. As we all say, it now
Speaker 1: means nothing. Story. I just found it funny. Yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 1: they had they did get some film footage of the explosions,
Speaker 1: and people point out that they can make out shapes
Speaker 1: in the lower corner. I think it's lower left hand
Speaker 1: frame of the corner near the spotlights, and then the
Speaker 1: shapes take off to the left. They don't really though,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so, and I know I'm a little
Speaker 1: jumping on your toes, right, but it just Okay, So
Speaker 1: there are two really great, super plausible explanations for this,
Speaker 1: both of which are way better than it's something that's
Speaker 1: like taking off right, Like, okay, you can see things
Speaker 1: exploding around this like space, So okay, maybe there is
Speaker 1: a little shadow that passes through the light. Maybe that
Speaker 1: actually happened. But it's like it's just as plausible that
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of little shrapnel pieces as it
Speaker 1: is that they're like little ships. They don't move in
Speaker 1: any way that stands out as like, oh wow, that
Speaker 1: that thing moves like a ship, like it's being controlled
Speaker 1: by intelligent being. It moves like gravity is pulling something through. Also,
Speaker 1: it's really old film. It's degraded. They got thots on
Speaker 1: it all the time, particularly if you're shooting a film
Speaker 1: in this kind of like weird shadow. I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's black and white, remember everybody, we're talking black and
Speaker 1: white footage, and it's being shot in like there's just
Speaker 1: shrapnel going off everywhere. It's not ideal conditions, you know,
Speaker 1: it's actual film. Things happened to it, and you can see,
Speaker 1: like earlier in other places, in less interesting maybe places
Speaker 1: that there are definitely spots on the phone so to say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not a spot like it's just well, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't convenient for it to be. It was convenient
Speaker 1: for it to be a spot over there, but it's
Speaker 1: not convenient here. That just doesn't make sense to me. Well,
Speaker 1: and the other the other thing about the footage that
Speaker 1: I saw is, like I said, some people everybody's analyzed
Speaker 1: the holy heck out of this, and somebody took several
Speaker 1: frames of it and made stills and would point out
Speaker 1: a dot. By the way, I have issue with the
Speaker 1: fact that sometimes they were dots and sometimes they were
Speaker 1: cigars shaped objects. But I'm gonna set that on the table.
Speaker 1: Is there's once there's one place that I saw where
Speaker 1: they say here it is in frame one, and then
Speaker 1: the frame two that they've shown it's now shifted to
Speaker 1: the left, and then in frame three it's gone up
Speaker 1: and to the left. Okay, well, here's the problem. It's
Speaker 1: some guy out in the dark with a wooden tripod
Speaker 1: with a giant, heavy film camera trying to pan around,
Speaker 1: which means that thing is shaking like mad from all
Speaker 1: the concussions. So of course the camera is going to
Speaker 1: vibrate and jerk around and whatever it's looking at and
Speaker 1: recording is going to quote unquote appear to move because
Speaker 1: the camera has actually shifted. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that really speaks to that
Speaker 1: theory is that they zoom really in on this one,
Speaker 1: because if you were going frame by frame on all
Speaker 1: the film, you would see everything kind of jumping around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel that's probably a fairly accurate assessment that if
Speaker 1: you watch the footage, you can tell that things are
Speaker 1: really shaky. It's really shaky footage. They didn't have steadicams,
Speaker 1: might have been handheld. Do you think no way, I
Speaker 1: could have been on the shoulder. It might have been
Speaker 1: a shoulder camera, but I don't know. Those cameras were
Speaker 1: pretty big. But I guess, you know, like in extreme circumstances. Yeah, people,
Speaker 1: Well that's so that's the Horde of Little Ships. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the next which is and I love
Speaker 1: this name. It is a variation for Pleaedian beam ship.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. Yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah, those guys, I'm
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, here's here's how this goes. And I'm
Speaker 1: and I apologize if I sound like I'm dismissive of
Speaker 1: this theory, So I'm not trying to be but where
Speaker 1: this one comes from, I really really call it shaky footage.
Speaker 1: So there's a person, Like I said, everybody's been doing
Speaker 1: this photo analysis. And the one thing that the person
Speaker 1: who put this together is I really appreciated that they
Speaker 1: took the photo, the images from that night, and they
Speaker 1: superimposed them onto current photographs of Los Angeles, so you
Speaker 1: can kind of get a perspective of where it was.
Speaker 1: And that was yeah, it was really and you know,
Speaker 1: they made him as gifts, so it kind of the
Speaker 1: uh photo, the black and white would kind of fade
Speaker 1: in and ounce you get a perspective of where it was.
Speaker 1: But what they did, this person did in this particular
Speaker 1: article that I found is they said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: there's this other guy who may who's got all these
Speaker 1: UFO photos, and they took one of these supposed UFO
Speaker 1: photos that is from a guy named Billy Meyer, and
Speaker 1: they took Billy Myers photo and he's and that's where
Speaker 1: the name variation for Plaudium beamship came from. He says,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And because he talks to aliens,
Speaker 1: he talks to aliens. But no, they they they superimposed it,
Speaker 1: and when they did their their adjustments to the original,
Speaker 1: the shape matches according to them. Okay, well, my my
Speaker 1: issue with this is I'm not going to go into
Speaker 1: Billy Myers a whole lot. Actually, I've got about two
Speaker 1: sentences on Billy Myers. Is That's as far as I
Speaker 1: want to go. But this guy, since the seventies has
Speaker 1: been publishing photos of alien craft. He's been publishing audio
Speaker 1: recordings of alien crafts. He's been reporting abductions, and he's
Speaker 1: been reporting contacts and conversations with alien species. He's been
Speaker 1: doing this for fifty years and none of his stuff
Speaker 1: is even close to being substantiated. And I looked at
Speaker 1: some of his supposed photos and they kind of looked
Speaker 1: like the old hub cap on a stream. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: people like you that are put here by the aliens,
Speaker 1: keep people who are actually experiencing. Does not compute. I'm
Speaker 1: not m Yeah, I probably should, just as I have
Speaker 1: a real human being. But I've got to say that
Speaker 1: his flying saucer, which I've seen pictures of, is is
Speaker 1: kind of cheesy looking. It's very very fifties. It's very fifties,
Speaker 1: and it also looks exactly the same in every picture, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: like too much of the same thing. Maybe I showed
Speaker 1: from different angles, dude, Yeah, like give us a different
Speaker 1: angle or something like give it to us like lower
Speaker 1: or higher. You know, it's just like it looks the
Speaker 1: exact same and everything. It's very convenient. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: to say, And I don't want to plow my own horn,
Speaker 1: but I haven't ever faked a UFO photo, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure I could come up with a much better one.
Speaker 1: I know I could. Yeah, And in fact, as soon
Speaker 1: as we're recording, let's let's fake a UFO photo. Let's
Speaker 1: not come on. Okay, Well we're done with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're done with the beam ship. But the Pleadians are
Speaker 1: upset that we didn't give them more airtime. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I just went through the how to see ufologists.
Speaker 1: You two are doing me, get it right, okay? Sin
Speaker 1: is actually one that everybody has heard, which is that
Speaker 1: it was a weather balloon. Okay. So I talked to
Speaker 1: my mom about these things. She like, she just wants
Speaker 1: to know, she's just very interested. And she said, you know,
Speaker 1: what are you guys recording today? And I was kind
Speaker 1: of telling her and she said, oh, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a weather brew balloon. It's always a weather blow it,
Speaker 1: like she said that though it's a total trope. It
Speaker 1: absolutely is a total trope. It's that or swamp gas.
Speaker 1: There are two things that were always Oh well, that's
Speaker 1: what it was, that weird thing that you saw. The
Speaker 1: weird thing is is like, it's always a weather balloon.
Speaker 1: So you get the impression that weather balloons are being released,
Speaker 1: like you know, by the hundreds every hour. And but
Speaker 1: have I, the one of you, ever seen somebody releasing
Speaker 1: a weather balloon. I have not, because we have better
Speaker 1: technology than that. Now, yeah, they still use weather balloons
Speaker 1: well but then not as much, but they do use
Speaker 1: But let's let's get into this. So they were actually
Speaker 1: in use on a regular basis at that time. Here's
Speaker 1: how a weather balloon works, just so we get the
Speaker 1: basis of it down. Is it's a six foot round balloon.
Speaker 1: It's got a piece of recording equipment on it, because
Speaker 1: usually it was for meteoron meteorological stuff, so weather and
Speaker 1: all of that exactly. And what happens is they let
Speaker 1: the balloon go and it's got some kind of gas
Speaker 1: helium or hydrogen, whatever it might be in it. It rises,
Speaker 1: and when it hits a certain altitude, the change in
Speaker 1: pressure is so great that the balloon, as it's rising
Speaker 1: will begin to expand. It will hit a certain altitude
Speaker 1: and it hit its peak altitude and the balloon will
Speaker 1: have expanded five to six times its original size, at
Speaker 1: which point it breaks and then all of the equipment
Speaker 1: that's on it would fall to Earth when it get shattered.
Speaker 1: But then they would track it down, or it would
Speaker 1: have a tag on it, please turn into and you
Speaker 1: know X and X division, Please call these people. They
Speaker 1: would come collect it and they would take up whatever
Speaker 1: data it had recorded. That's how a weather balloon works.
Speaker 1: Really basic, but they were being used all the time.
Speaker 1: And do you remember when I was talking about the
Speaker 1: reports that we're coming in, One of the reports was
Speaker 1: there was an object that was moving quote unquote very slow.
Speaker 1: Would be pretty slow, huh. A balloon is I can
Speaker 1: only go as fast as the wind currents. And from
Speaker 1: what I understand, the and the anti aircraft positions themselves
Speaker 1: were releasing balloons just to get an idea of wind
Speaker 1: conditions correct every six hours. They were releasing balloons every
Speaker 1: six hours and as a matter of fact, shortly before
Speaker 1: the firing took place, the two hundred and third Coast
Speaker 1: Artillery Regiment had let one go. Of course, so let
Speaker 1: it go, and then they said, oh what the hell
Speaker 1: is that? God? Actually, I think they were one of
Speaker 1: the regiments that might not have fired. There was one
Speaker 1: regiment that didn't shoot any rounds during this, and I
Speaker 1: think it was them because I weren't they frantically on
Speaker 1: the horn like stop, you guys stop. I think they
Speaker 1: were because their CEO was like, dude, no calling everybody
Speaker 1: else and they can't hear the phone ringing in their pocket.
Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome. But okay, So I guess my
Speaker 1: question would be then, right, like, it's a balloon, right,
Speaker 1: so it's like you like, you hit it once with
Speaker 1: shotnel and is done. Not necessarily really, Yeah, So this
Speaker 1: was what I was doing the reading on this. I
Speaker 1: actually had to go out and do a little research
Speaker 1: on weather balloons because I I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's like a party balloon. You hit it with something
Speaker 1: and it's going, But that isn't the case. They're actually
Speaker 1: pretty thick because think about it, it expands five times.
Speaker 1: It's with and here's here's how it goes, is that
Speaker 1: things that are in the air, so this they refer
Speaker 1: to it as rigid and semi rigid crafts. You could
Speaker 1: think of a balloons as semi rigid and like the
Speaker 1: old Zeppelin's, that would be a rigid craft that are
Speaker 1: using air pressure of some kind of or gas pressure
Speaker 1: to rise. They don't need to hold their shape to float,
Speaker 1: and when things collide into them, they didn't and it
Speaker 1: bounces off or maybe they get a small puncture, but
Speaker 1: they may not just pop. Yeah, all the way right thinking.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is too, this is Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: So if if it flops to the ground deflated, well
Speaker 1: it's Los Angeles. There's lots of litter, and it's so
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna think, wow, this is just some trash. Probably
Speaker 1: got swept up the next day. And if it landed
Speaker 1: within city limits, yeah, that's exactly right. And if not,
Speaker 1: there were weather balloons coming down all the time, right,
Speaker 1: they were at least six hours by the way to
Speaker 1: our l A listeners. I'm just kidding. I know that
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is no trash here than most American city,
Speaker 1: but no, that's the thing is that gage yeah, and
Speaker 1: if it if it gets a punk. Sure, let's say that,
Speaker 1: you know, one of these anti aircraft rounds goes off
Speaker 1: near it. It's not going to explode. It's gonna get
Speaker 1: a couple of punctures, and then it's gonna do what
Speaker 1: balloons in your house do your party blues and go
Speaker 1: and they slowly go down when they get the little
Speaker 1: puncture in them. Instead, it was I worked on that
Speaker 1: for hours the show. We can use that again and
Speaker 1: again it again. Wait, we used tape. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's it's very plausible that it was a weather balloon.
Speaker 1: The thing is is and this and the next theory
Speaker 1: I have issues with saying was a weather balloon because
Speaker 1: that doesn't say or that doesn't explain what was picked
Speaker 1: out up off the coast. And remember all that all
Speaker 1: that dred and twenty miles I forgot about that. Well,
Speaker 1: it could be that these guys released it and it
Speaker 1: roared out, zipped out to a hundred miles off the coast,
Speaker 1: and then slowly came back in. Or more likely, it
Speaker 1: could be a coincidence, coincidental, um, it could have been
Speaker 1: something else would be in radar is not how to
Speaker 1: percent effective. I mean you can pick up ghosts on radar,
Speaker 1: and it was like an hour later, right they saw
Speaker 1: something out there, and then like an hour later, which
Speaker 1: I guess No, that's a that's even from that time.
Speaker 1: That's a really slow movement plane. Yeah, it's very well.
Speaker 1: And you know you talked about the what was the
Speaker 1: bomb balloons? What was the one you were talking about? Yea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Japanese made these balloons and launched them, and the
Speaker 1: idea was too because you know, Mayhem and everything like that.
Speaker 1: And I forget what they called them, ah, and I
Speaker 1: can't think I know the name, and I can't think
Speaker 1: of what they know. One of them actually landed in
Speaker 1: in southern Oregon and killed some people. It did. It
Speaker 1: was a picnicking a family that was having a picnic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it came down. And these things were you know,
Speaker 1: they they actually were. They would go up and it
Speaker 1: would go to a certain like a certain level, and
Speaker 1: then would would come back down and from just losing
Speaker 1: gas and a pressure valve. Basically they basically had had
Speaker 1: an autimeter on them. At a certain point, they would
Speaker 1: drop a sandbag to make them go back up again,
Speaker 1: and when they came back down again, they dropped another one,
Speaker 1: and they keep doing that, and then eventually at a
Speaker 1: certain point, when they're out of sand bags, they start
Speaker 1: dropping incendi areas and then at the and then the
Speaker 1: last thing is a big just a big bomb and bomb.
Speaker 1: And so the incendit areas were supposed to start house fires,
Speaker 1: forest fires, you know whatever. And then the big bomb
Speaker 1: was just going to land on the ground and somebody
Speaker 1: will find it'll blow their it'll blow their arms off
Speaker 1: or kill them or whatever. Yeah, so they weren't that effective,
Speaker 1: but you know, and and and uh, we managed to
Speaker 1: keep it a complete secret, so none of these incidents
Speaker 1: were publicized, and so it had and so it actually
Speaker 1: had a great It worked for us because Japanese eventually
Speaker 1: stopped doing it because they weren't hearing anything about it,
Speaker 1: so they assumed that we're actually getting here or doing anything,
Speaker 1: and so they figured it was a waste of time.
Speaker 1: It seemed to stop doing it. Service. Well, let's let's
Speaker 1: move into a are you trying to talk about? I was?
Speaker 1: I was, but and again I'm gonna preface this with
Speaker 1: the same thing that I finished the last one on,
Speaker 1: which is this does not explain what we picked up
Speaker 1: on radar. But the next theory is that what they
Speaker 1: saw it was clouds. Well, it's actually very plausible if
Speaker 1: you think about it, because if there is clouds and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke from all of these this
Speaker 1: ordinance going off in the air and your end lights
Speaker 1: and you're trying to focus on it, and the clouds
Speaker 1: are shifting around and the smoke is drifting, it's gonna
Speaker 1: look like there's some kind of shape moving in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen a spotlight shining
Speaker 1: on clouds. I'm sure you have, Like on just low deck,
Speaker 1: like it looks like it looks like a flying saucer
Speaker 1: zipping around. That's exactly right. If if you see uh,
Speaker 1: you know, car I always see car dealerships doing it,
Speaker 1: or or sports events when they have the big, the
Speaker 1: big swooping spotlights, and if it's cloudy out, you're absolutely
Speaker 1: you can just see this roving disc in the sky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I always shot at those. But if you also
Speaker 1: look at the photos again that that one iconic photo,
Speaker 1: you can see that the beams of light all kind
Speaker 1: of hit and then there's a little bit of diffused
Speaker 1: light coming off of the opposite end of where each
Speaker 1: beam should be. There's not a lot of it, but
Speaker 1: that would indicate that it was hitting some kind of
Speaker 1: cloud and some of it was leaking through the edges,
Speaker 1: but that was it, or that it was reflecting off
Speaker 1: of a metallic or that it was reflecting and reflecting
Speaker 1: off their shields too. It could have been. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny if you bring that up. I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but we're gonna go back to
Speaker 1: your UFO friends. No, I'm not saying that word. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is one person who I really I've got to
Speaker 1: give them props for taking and tracking the vectors of
Speaker 1: each of those lights, and they have one. There's one
Speaker 1: particular light. It should be in a straight line, and
Speaker 1: then it seems to jug off about twenty degrees after
Speaker 1: he hits that center math. It's so weird. Although let's
Speaker 1: be fair, clouds can do that. They can well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's h and that it is water. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting observation on his part. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: also you gotta remember that this this negative has been
Speaker 1: so intensely what's the word I'm thinking about debased? The
Speaker 1: guy knows over analyzed. Yeah, what would it mean, it's
Speaker 1: like the original negative was so intensely touched up that
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe somebody decided to add add an extra
Speaker 1: little streak in there, and it's and if he's looking
Speaker 1: at the unaltered version, which I think that this person was,
Speaker 1: because I remember seeing the side by sides of the
Speaker 1: original and the unaltered is, Yeah, it looks a little weird,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it means that it's reflecting.
Speaker 1: If that was going to happen to one beam, you
Speaker 1: think it would happen to all of them. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they're they're light bending shields. Might have saved the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know. I don't know anything. YEA last theory,
Speaker 1: which kind of relates to what Joe and I were
Speaker 1: talking about about the Bloon bombs is the official War
Speaker 1: Department statement if you remember, the official War Department statement
Speaker 1: said they were commercial planes operated by an enemy from
Speaker 1: secret fields in California or Mexico. Or were light planes
Speaker 1: launched from Japanese submarines. Okay, Japanese submarines were able to
Speaker 1: it had been known to launch small light aircraft, not
Speaker 1: not to the level of like the circouf that we
Speaker 1: talked about, But these are very small light, but it's possible.
Speaker 1: Similar thing though, though the whole idea is that is
Speaker 1: to put them up to go around looking for targets reconnaissance.
Speaker 1: But it is possible. It is possible. But I think
Speaker 1: we kind of already kind of you know, ran that
Speaker 1: into the ground. Is well, what did they get out
Speaker 1: of it? Nothing? Yeah, why do they get out of it?
Speaker 1: They couldn't get out of their spots on the ground,
Speaker 1: and where are they? Okay, we pumped a crap ton
Speaker 1: of ordinance into the air and there's all these fragments
Speaker 1: going around. You think we would have got something probably
Speaker 1: and we got nothing. Yeah, So I I I really
Speaker 1: I have I think that that was just kind of
Speaker 1: a safe face. But I did. I looked at I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess it is plausible that it
Speaker 1: could have been some sort of enemy craph vaguely, but
Speaker 1: we never heard any mention of enemy air fields in
Speaker 1: use on the continent or in you know, in the
Speaker 1: continental United States or in Mexico. We never heard of
Speaker 1: any of that. So it doesn't seem to have a
Speaker 1: lot of basis or a lot of footing. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little little shaky to agree with that pretty much. Again,
Speaker 1: that you know, they would have found some wreckage. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that we can rule that out. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could have been just like some people out just flying around,
Speaker 1: you know, no, no Japanese at all. Of course we
Speaker 1: would have found their wreckage too. So again, yeah that
Speaker 1: they're in lines. The rub is, well where are they?
Speaker 1: And why didn't they say? Ah, hi u s military,
Speaker 1: you tried to shoot me out of the air stupid.
Speaker 1: You would think that somebody would have said something. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they were too embarrassed when they realized the hubbub
Speaker 1: that they created by taking their unauthorized nighttime flight. But yeah, yeah, yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna solve this mystery. Well, we are out of theory,
Speaker 1: so please, okay, what is your solution? Mr? So? There
Speaker 1: were six and aircraft batteries around the town, correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: five or five of the six open fire and wasted rounds. Right,
Speaker 1: Those rounds were manufactured by Acne Corporation. Acne Corporation bribed
Speaker 1: the gunners of five of those stations to waste four
Speaker 1: hundred plus rounds so that they could make some money.
Speaker 1: It's always Acne. It's always Acne. Darn road runner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that actually would be kind of a sweet deal, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could bribe people to just waste
Speaker 1: lots around so they the government has keep coming back
Speaker 1: and buy more from you, it would be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah. I mean personally, I as much as
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm following the company line, I really
Speaker 1: after doing the research, I think it was the weather balloons.
Speaker 1: Is there the only things that could have sustained the
Speaker 1: amount of fire and stayed in the air for a
Speaker 1: bit of time before coming down, and then nobody would
Speaker 1: have thought twice when they saw him on the ground. Well,
Speaker 1: I you know, I'll get that one a close second.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with AcBe company perfectly. Okay, yeah, Devin,
Speaker 1: So you put me in a hard spot because most
Speaker 1: of me wants to Sayians definitely, the Plenians or Plebeians
Speaker 1: and Pleadians or how are you say it didn't leads?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, you know, I also
Speaker 1: want to be rational and say, you know, weather balloons
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Yes, it doesn't really explain
Speaker 1: you know, why an hour before they the radar caught something.
Speaker 1: But like so maybe the Japanese did send a recon
Speaker 1: thing and that like freaked us out a little bit,
Speaker 1: and they were just like reconting to see how close
Speaker 1: they could get before they did something and we're seen
Speaker 1: or anything. I don't know they might have actually been.
Speaker 1: And you know, if it was a Japanese aircraft, say,
Speaker 1: launched from a submarine, they might have just been exploring
Speaker 1: our radar defenses. Yeah, that's exactly what. So they launched
Speaker 1: a plane, they fly until they detect radar emissions, and
Speaker 1: it's like we've been picked up to turn when to
Speaker 1: go back? Yeah, And so it could have been or
Speaker 1: it could have been just a random occurrence to one
Speaker 1: of our planes. And there is some some evidence that
Speaker 1: adds validity to that because when the object, remember I
Speaker 1: said it was off the coast, and then it came
Speaker 1: inland and then it disappeared as it hit the foothills
Speaker 1: outside of the in just inland from the coast, so
Speaker 1: it disappeared. So it could have been like you're saying,
Speaker 1: it may have been a plane. Oh, we've been caught
Speaker 1: duck down below where we should be visible and turn
Speaker 1: around and head home. Yeah, that is completely you know.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm torn between knowing that aliens exist
Speaker 1: and this was probably their first attempt at contact, which
Speaker 1: we screwed up. Yes, ever and now and now they're
Speaker 1: arming for bear. Yeah, which you know, yeah, man, going away. Man,
Speaker 1: that's how alien talk. I know you know that as
Speaker 1: a sentient robot that I'm so sorry. Okay, all right, well,
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Speaker 1: love your show. I work at a big window list
Speaker 1: warehouse all alone and spend nearly all of my time
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts and audio books on a variety of subjects.
Speaker 1: But I have always had a love of the mysterious
Speaker 1: and creepy events in history, which we're all about in
Speaker 1: high school on the East Os. That was a big
Speaker 1: Art Bell fan. Oh Art Bell and us, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just talked about him last week. Yeah, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: And had a tape recorders set to set to a
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Speaker 1: S t I wish there was a podcast in the
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Speaker 1: before Christmas, and Binge listens to every episode. The show
Speaker 1: is clever and I appreciate how careful you are to
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Speaker 1: friend who listens to the podcast other than w t F,
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Speaker 1: keep those cards and letters rolling in and and I really,
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Speaker 1: in that uh it's a window lists warehouse, I believe,
Speaker 1: yeah a little better because I've worked in a cube
Speaker 1: village before, which was in the center of a yeah,
Speaker 1: in the center of a giant building and so I
Speaker 1: could see, you know, nine yards away was a window sunlight,
Speaker 1: so I can kind of relate, which still fun. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope things are going okay. So I have another
Speaker 1: piece of listener mail that I wanted to read. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's some fan mail for Devon. Actually it's, uh, since
Speaker 1: we already talked about my mom, tonight, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about my dad. It's from him. I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was listening to the show, but apparently he is, um
Speaker 1: and he just sent us an email and it just
Speaker 1: says see in this link, and it's a link to
Speaker 1: wine Spectator that is about how well Champagne ages in
Speaker 1: reference to the Baltic Sea anomaly. Oh yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: We were wondering about why they were going after these
Speaker 1: were like it was probably gross. Apparently it ain't. Is
Speaker 1: totally fine. Thanks dad. I still don't I still don't
Speaker 1: think it was like a UFO. But yeah, well thanks
Speaker 1: Devon's dad. Now now I know, Yeah, now we know
Speaker 1: there's actually legitimate reason for them to be going after that. Champagne.
Speaker 1: I really love the way your dad told geus listening
Speaker 1: to the show. Quite awesome. I hope you're enjoying the show. Alright, gang,
Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got for this week, so we
Speaker 1: will be chatting with you next week. Have a good one.
Speaker 1: Next time we're going to solve another one. See you then.
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