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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Steve, I'm Joe, I'm Devin.

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Speaker 1: Did you forget what we're doing? A? Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: like a frame or it was an original. It was

427
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: a copy of the original native before they did the

428
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: photo retouching, so it didn't have paint and all that

429
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: other crowd on it. And they did the same thing.

430
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: They scanned the negative, they did all the analysis and

431
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: they didn't find as much of a distinct object in there,

432
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: which I personally believe that distinct object was probably the paint.

433
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: But they didn't find nearly as much there, but they

434
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: still say, well, we we found something because we knew

435
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: what we were looking for. You know, I looked at

436
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: these pictures online and I think I would agree that

437
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: it vaguely looks like there's something there. But in my opinion,

438
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: what it looks like is there is like twelve different

439
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: spotlights all coming together to form a like a super

440
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: bright spot, a bright spot on a on a cloud

441
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: of smoke or just a cloud or just whatever. That

442
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't look like there's anything solid or

443
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: like of any kind of substance. Well, you know, and

444
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: the thing about it is too, is that even if

445
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: you had the original negative, it was very dark out

446
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: and so that one spot where they all came together

447
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: was so bright considering the settings of the everything, it

448
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: was so overexposed. It was that part of the photo

449
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: was completely blown out. And you know what the best

450
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: part is, Yeah, it's obvious that it's an extended shot.

451
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: It had to be an extended shot. It's the late exposure.

452
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: And for anybody that looks at this image, there's a

453
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: really easy way to figure it out. Don't look at

454
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: the bright spot where all the spotlights are coming together.

455
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: But instead look at all the little explosions, which are

456
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: those anti aircraft rounds going off. There's I don't know

457
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: a dozen or so of them, all exploding at once,

458
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: talking about well, there's the convergent point where the spots

459
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: are at. And then as you look in that dark

460
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: skier you will see all those Yeah, I think those

461
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: are lens flares. I don't think that know that it's

462
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: it had to have been a delayed exposure, and there

463
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: was only, like I said, four to six locations that

464
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: were shooting rounds off. Well, they can only shoot so

465
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: fast and everything couldn't have been exploding all at once,

466
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: so it had to be a several second, if not

467
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: a minute long explosion. Yeah. So anyway, Yeah, the up

468
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: shot of it is, though, is that that that center

469
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: spot where the saucer supposedly was completely blown out. Oh yeah, No,

470
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: I don't care how sophisticated your computer software is. You

471
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: can't restore information that's been destroyed, right, if it's gone,

472
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: I know, and I do not disagree with you at all. Well,

473
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and it you know, it's gone in a really interesting way,

474
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: but it's gone. Yeah, it's yeah, it's no longer there. Yeah,

475
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so that is the first ufologists theory.

476
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: Did I say that word right? I think it's actually

477
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: post you guys. Next UFO theory is that it was

478
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: a horde of little alien ships. So here's here's what

479
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: they say. Is that. Well, actually we we talked about this.

480
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: The footage, the video footage, I don't know. I did

481
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: not get a chance to look at that. Okay, before

482
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: we get into the footage. I know I told Devon this,

483
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: but I really really love listening to the narration because

484
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: it was old news film and it was in the

485
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Los Angeles. You're just

486
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: really funny to hurt it here it pronounced that way

487
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: rather than Los Angeles. As we all say, it now

488
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: means nothing. Story. I just found it funny. Yeah, but anyway,

489
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: they had they did get some film footage of the explosions,

490
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and people point out that they can make out shapes

491
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: in the lower corner. I think it's lower left hand

492
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: frame of the corner near the spotlights, and then the

493
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: shapes take off to the left. They don't really though,

494
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so, and I know I'm a little

495
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: jumping on your toes, right, but it just Okay, So

496
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: there are two really great, super plausible explanations for this,

497
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: both of which are way better than it's something that's

498
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: like taking off right, Like, okay, you can see things

499
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: exploding around this like space, So okay, maybe there is

500
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: a little shadow that passes through the light. Maybe that

501
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: actually happened. But it's like it's just as plausible that

502
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of little shrapnel pieces as it

503
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: is that they're like little ships. They don't move in

504
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: any way that stands out as like, oh wow, that

505
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: that thing moves like a ship, like it's being controlled

506
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: by intelligent being. It moves like gravity is pulling something through. Also,

507
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: it's really old film. It's degraded. They got thots on

508
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: it all the time, particularly if you're shooting a film

509
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: in this kind of like weird shadow. I mean, and

510
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: it's black and white, remember everybody, we're talking black and

511
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: white footage, and it's being shot in like there's just

512
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: shrapnel going off everywhere. It's not ideal conditions, you know,

513
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: it's actual film. Things happened to it, and you can see,

514
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: like earlier in other places, in less interesting maybe places

515
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: that there are definitely spots on the phone so to say, oh, no,

516
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: it's definitely not a spot like it's just well, because

517
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't convenient for it to be. It was convenient

518
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: for it to be a spot over there, but it's

519
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: not convenient here. That just doesn't make sense to me. Well,

520
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: and the other the other thing about the footage that

521
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I saw is, like I said, some people everybody's analyzed

522
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: the holy heck out of this, and somebody took several

523
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: frames of it and made stills and would point out

524
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: a dot. By the way, I have issue with the

525
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: fact that sometimes they were dots and sometimes they were

526
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: cigars shaped objects. But I'm gonna set that on the table.

527
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: Is there's once there's one place that I saw where

528
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: they say here it is in frame one, and then

529
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the frame two that they've shown it's now shifted to

530
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: the left, and then in frame three it's gone up

531
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: and to the left. Okay, well, here's the problem. It's

532
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: some guy out in the dark with a wooden tripod

533
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: with a giant, heavy film camera trying to pan around,

534
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: which means that thing is shaking like mad from all

535
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the concussions. So of course the camera is going to

536
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: vibrate and jerk around and whatever it's looking at and

537
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: recording is going to quote unquote appear to move because

538
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: the camera has actually shifted. Yeah, I mean, you know,

539
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that really speaks to that

540
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: theory is that they zoom really in on this one,

541
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: because if you were going frame by frame on all

542
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: the film, you would see everything kind of jumping around. Yeah.

543
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I feel that's probably a fairly accurate assessment that if

544
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: you watch the footage, you can tell that things are

545
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: really shaky. It's really shaky footage. They didn't have steadicams,

546
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: might have been handheld. Do you think no way, I

547
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: could have been on the shoulder. It might have been

548
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: a shoulder camera, but I don't know. Those cameras were

549
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: pretty big. But I guess, you know, like in extreme circumstances. Yeah, people,

550
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: Well that's so that's the Horde of Little Ships. Let's

551
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: move on to the next which is and I love

552
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: this name. It is a variation for Pleaedian beam ship.

553
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. Yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah, those guys, I'm

554
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, here's here's how this goes. And I'm

555
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: and I apologize if I sound like I'm dismissive of

556
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: this theory, So I'm not trying to be but where

557
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: this one comes from, I really really call it shaky footage.

558
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: So there's a person, Like I said, everybody's been doing

559
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: this photo analysis. And the one thing that the person

560
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: who put this together is I really appreciated that they

561
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: took the photo, the images from that night, and they

562
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: superimposed them onto current photographs of Los Angeles, so you

563
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: can kind of get a perspective of where it was.

564
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: And that was yeah, it was really and you know,

565
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: they made him as gifts, so it kind of the

566
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: uh photo, the black and white would kind of fade

567
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: in and ounce you get a perspective of where it was.

568
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: But what they did, this person did in this particular

569
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: article that I found is they said, well, you know,

570
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: there's this other guy who may who's got all these

571
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: UFO photos, and they took one of these supposed UFO

572
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: photos that is from a guy named Billy Meyer, and

573
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: they took Billy Myers photo and he's and that's where

574
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: the name variation for Plaudium beamship came from. He says,

575
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And because he talks to aliens,

576
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: he talks to aliens. But no, they they they superimposed it,

577
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: and when they did their their adjustments to the original,

578
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: the shape matches according to them. Okay, well, my my

579
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: issue with this is I'm not going to go into

580
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Billy Myers a whole lot. Actually, I've got about two

581
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: sentences on Billy Myers. Is That's as far as I

582
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: want to go. But this guy, since the seventies has

583
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: been publishing photos of alien craft. He's been publishing audio

584
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: recordings of alien crafts. He's been reporting abductions, and he's

585
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: been reporting contacts and conversations with alien species. He's been

586
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: doing this for fifty years and none of his stuff

587
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: is even close to being substantiated. And I looked at

588
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: some of his supposed photos and they kind of looked

589
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: like the old hub cap on a stream. Yeah, it's

590
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: people like you that are put here by the aliens,

591
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: keep people who are actually experiencing. Does not compute. I'm

592
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: not m Yeah, I probably should, just as I have

593
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: a real human being. But I've got to say that

594
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: his flying saucer, which I've seen pictures of, is is

595
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of cheesy looking. It's very very fifties. It's very fifties,

596
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: and it also looks exactly the same in every picture, right,

597
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something to be said for

598
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: like too much of the same thing. Maybe I showed

599
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: from different angles, dude, Yeah, like give us a different

600
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: angle or something like give it to us like lower

601
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: or higher. You know, it's just like it looks the

602
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: exact same and everything. It's very convenient. Yeah, I have

603
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to say, And I don't want to plow my own horn,

604
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: but I haven't ever faked a UFO photo, but I'm

605
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: sure I could come up with a much better one.

606
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I know I could. Yeah, And in fact, as soon

607
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: as we're recording, let's let's fake a UFO photo. Let's

608
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: not come on. Okay, Well we're done with us. Yeah,

609
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: we're done with the beam ship. But the Pleadians are

610
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: upset that we didn't give them more airtime. I know,

611
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I just went through the how to see ufologists.

612
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: You two are doing me, get it right, okay? Sin

613
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: is actually one that everybody has heard, which is that

614
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: it was a weather balloon. Okay. So I talked to

615
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: my mom about these things. She like, she just wants

616
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: to know, she's just very interested. And she said, you know,

617
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: what are you guys recording today? And I was kind

618
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: of telling her and she said, oh, I thought it

619
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: was a weather brew balloon. It's always a weather blow it,

620
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: like she said that though it's a total trope. It

621
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: absolutely is a total trope. It's that or swamp gas.

622
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: There are two things that were always Oh well, that's

623
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: what it was, that weird thing that you saw. The

624
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: weird thing is is like, it's always a weather balloon.

625
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: So you get the impression that weather balloons are being released,

626
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: like you know, by the hundreds every hour. And but

627
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: have I, the one of you, ever seen somebody releasing

628
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: a weather balloon. I have not, because we have better

629
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: technology than that. Now, yeah, they still use weather balloons

630
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: well but then not as much, but they do use

631
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: But let's let's get into this. So they were actually

632
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: in use on a regular basis at that time. Here's

633
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: how a weather balloon works, just so we get the

634
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: basis of it down. Is it's a six foot round balloon.

635
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: It's got a piece of recording equipment on it, because

636
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: usually it was for meteoron meteorological stuff, so weather and

637
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: all of that exactly. And what happens is they let

638
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: the balloon go and it's got some kind of gas

639
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: helium or hydrogen, whatever it might be in it. It rises,

640
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: and when it hits a certain altitude, the change in

641
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: pressure is so great that the balloon, as it's rising

642
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: will begin to expand. It will hit a certain altitude

643
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: and it hit its peak altitude and the balloon will

644
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: have expanded five to six times its original size, at

645
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: which point it breaks and then all of the equipment

646
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: that's on it would fall to Earth when it get shattered.

647
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: But then they would track it down, or it would

648
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: have a tag on it, please turn into and you

649
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: know X and X division, Please call these people. They

650
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: would come collect it and they would take up whatever

651
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: data it had recorded. That's how a weather balloon works.

652
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: Really basic, but they were being used all the time.

653
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: And do you remember when I was talking about the

654
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: reports that we're coming in, One of the reports was

655
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: there was an object that was moving quote unquote very slow.

656
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Would be pretty slow, huh. A balloon is I can

657
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: only go as fast as the wind currents. And from

658
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: what I understand, the and the anti aircraft positions themselves

659
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: were releasing balloons just to get an idea of wind

660
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: conditions correct every six hours. They were releasing balloons every

661
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: six hours and as a matter of fact, shortly before

662
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: the firing took place, the two hundred and third Coast

663
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: Artillery Regiment had let one go. Of course, so let

664
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: it go, and then they said, oh what the hell

665
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: is that? God? Actually, I think they were one of

666
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: the regiments that might not have fired. There was one

667
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: regiment that didn't shoot any rounds during this, and I

668
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: think it was them because I weren't they frantically on

669
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: the horn like stop, you guys stop. I think they

670
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: were because their CEO was like, dude, no calling everybody

671
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: else and they can't hear the phone ringing in their pocket.

672
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome. But okay, So I guess my

673
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: question would be then, right, like, it's a balloon, right,

674
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: so it's like you like, you hit it once with

675
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: shotnel and is done. Not necessarily really, Yeah, So this

676
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: was what I was doing the reading on this. I

677
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: actually had to go out and do a little research

678
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: on weather balloons because I I thought the same thing.

679
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: It's like a party balloon. You hit it with something

680
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: and it's going, But that isn't the case. They're actually

681
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: pretty thick because think about it, it expands five times.

682
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: It's with and here's here's how it goes, is that

683
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: things that are in the air, so this they refer

684
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: to it as rigid and semi rigid crafts. You could

685
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: think of a balloons as semi rigid and like the

686
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: old Zeppelin's, that would be a rigid craft that are

687
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: using air pressure of some kind of or gas pressure

688
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: to rise. They don't need to hold their shape to float,

689
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: and when things collide into them, they didn't and it

690
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: bounces off or maybe they get a small puncture, but

691
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: they may not just pop. Yeah, all the way right thinking.

692
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is too, this is Los Angeles.

693
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: So if if it flops to the ground deflated, well

694
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: it's Los Angeles. There's lots of litter, and it's so

695
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna think, wow, this is just some trash. Probably

696
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: got swept up the next day. And if it landed

697
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: within city limits, yeah, that's exactly right. And if not,

698
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: there were weather balloons coming down all the time, right,

699
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: they were at least six hours by the way to

700
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: our l A listeners. I'm just kidding. I know that

701
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is no trash here than most American city,

702
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: but no, that's the thing is that gage yeah, and

703
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: if it if it gets a punk. Sure, let's say that,

704
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: you know, one of these anti aircraft rounds goes off

705
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: near it. It's not going to explode. It's gonna get

706
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: a couple of punctures, and then it's gonna do what

707
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: balloons in your house do your party blues and go

708
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: and they slowly go down when they get the little

709
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: puncture in them. Instead, it was I worked on that

710
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: for hours the show. We can use that again and

711
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: again it again. Wait, we used tape. But yeah, so

712
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: it's it's very plausible that it was a weather balloon.

713
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: The thing is is and this and the next theory

714
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: I have issues with saying was a weather balloon because

715
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't say or that doesn't explain what was picked

716
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: out up off the coast. And remember all that all

717
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: that dred and twenty miles I forgot about that. Well,

718
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: it could be that these guys released it and it

719
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: roared out, zipped out to a hundred miles off the coast,

720
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: and then slowly came back in. Or more likely, it

721
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: could be a coincidence, coincidental, um, it could have been

722
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: something else would be in radar is not how to

723
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: percent effective. I mean you can pick up ghosts on radar,

724
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: and it was like an hour later, right they saw

725
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: something out there, and then like an hour later, which

726
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: I guess No, that's a that's even from that time.

727
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: That's a really slow movement plane. Yeah, it's very well.

728
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: And you know you talked about the what was the

729
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: bomb balloons? What was the one you were talking about? Yea, Yeah,

730
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: the Japanese made these balloons and launched them, and the

731
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: idea was too because you know, Mayhem and everything like that.

732
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: And I forget what they called them, ah, and I

733
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: can't think I know the name, and I can't think

734
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: of what they know. One of them actually landed in

735
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: in southern Oregon and killed some people. It did. It

736
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: was a picnicking a family that was having a picnic. Yeah,

737
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: and it came down. And these things were you know,

738
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: they they actually were. They would go up and it

739
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: would go to a certain like a certain level, and

740
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: then would would come back down and from just losing

741
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: gas and a pressure valve. Basically they basically had had

742
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: an autimeter on them. At a certain point, they would

743
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: drop a sandbag to make them go back up again,

744
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: and when they came back down again, they dropped another one,

745
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and they keep doing that, and then eventually at a

746
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: certain point, when they're out of sand bags, they start

747
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: dropping incendi areas and then at the and then the

748
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: last thing is a big just a big bomb and bomb.

749
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: And so the incendit areas were supposed to start house fires,

750
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: forest fires, you know whatever. And then the big bomb

751
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: was just going to land on the ground and somebody

752
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: will find it'll blow their it'll blow their arms off

753
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: or kill them or whatever. Yeah, so they weren't that effective,

754
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: but you know, and and and uh, we managed to

755
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: keep it a complete secret, so none of these incidents

756
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: were publicized, and so it had and so it actually

757
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: had a great It worked for us because Japanese eventually

758
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: stopped doing it because they weren't hearing anything about it,

759
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: so they assumed that we're actually getting here or doing anything,

760
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: and so they figured it was a waste of time.

761
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: It seemed to stop doing it. Service. Well, let's let's

762
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: move into a are you trying to talk about? I was?

763
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: I was, but and again I'm gonna preface this with

764
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: the same thing that I finished the last one on,

765
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: which is this does not explain what we picked up

766
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: on radar. But the next theory is that what they

767
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: saw it was clouds. Well, it's actually very plausible if

768
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: you think about it, because if there is clouds and

769
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke from all of these this

770
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: ordinance going off in the air and your end lights

771
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: and you're trying to focus on it, and the clouds

772
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: are shifting around and the smoke is drifting, it's gonna

773
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: look like there's some kind of shape moving in there.

774
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen a spotlight shining

775
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: on clouds. I'm sure you have, Like on just low deck,

776
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: like it looks like it looks like a flying saucer

777
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: zipping around. That's exactly right. If if you see uh,

778
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, car I always see car dealerships doing it,

779
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: or or sports events when they have the big, the

780
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: big swooping spotlights, and if it's cloudy out, you're absolutely

781
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: you can just see this roving disc in the sky. Yeah,

782
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: and I always shot at those. But if you also

783
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: look at the photos again that that one iconic photo,

784
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: you can see that the beams of light all kind

785
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: of hit and then there's a little bit of diffused

786
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: light coming off of the opposite end of where each

787
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: beam should be. There's not a lot of it, but

788
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: that would indicate that it was hitting some kind of

789
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: cloud and some of it was leaking through the edges,

790
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: but that was it, or that it was reflecting off

791
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: of a metallic or that it was reflecting and reflecting

792
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: off their shields too. It could have been. Actually, you know,

793
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: it's funny if you bring that up. I wasn't going

794
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but we're gonna go back to

795
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: your UFO friends. No, I'm not saying that word. Uh,

796
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: there is one person who I really I've got to

797
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: give them props for taking and tracking the vectors of

798
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: each of those lights, and they have one. There's one

799
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: particular light. It should be in a straight line, and

800
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: then it seems to jug off about twenty degrees after

801
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: he hits that center math. It's so weird. Although let's

802
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: be fair, clouds can do that. They can well, yeah,

803
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: and it's h and that it is water. That's an

804
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: interesting observation on his part. But at the same time,

805
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: also you gotta remember that this this negative has been

806
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: so intensely what's the word I'm thinking about debased? The

807
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: guy knows over analyzed. Yeah, what would it mean, it's

808
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: like the original negative was so intensely touched up that

809
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe somebody decided to add add an extra

810
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: little streak in there, and it's and if he's looking

811
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: at the unaltered version, which I think that this person was,

812
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: because I remember seeing the side by sides of the

813
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: original and the unaltered is, Yeah, it looks a little weird,

814
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it means that it's reflecting.

815
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: If that was going to happen to one beam, you

816
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: think it would happen to all of them. Yeah, but

817
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: they're they're light bending shields. Might have saved the day. Yeah,

818
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: you don't know. I don't know anything. YEA last theory,

819
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: which kind of relates to what Joe and I were

820
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: talking about about the Bloon bombs is the official War

821
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: Department statement if you remember, the official War Department statement

822
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: said they were commercial planes operated by an enemy from

823
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: secret fields in California or Mexico. Or were light planes

824
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: launched from Japanese submarines. Okay, Japanese submarines were able to

825
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: it had been known to launch small light aircraft, not

826
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: not to the level of like the circouf that we

827
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: talked about, But these are very small light, but it's possible.

828
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Similar thing though, though the whole idea is that is

829
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: to put them up to go around looking for targets reconnaissance.

830
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: But it is possible. It is possible. But I think

831
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: we kind of already kind of you know, ran that

832
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: into the ground. Is well, what did they get out

833
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: of it? Nothing? Yeah, why do they get out of it?

834
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: They couldn't get out of their spots on the ground,

835
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and where are they? Okay, we pumped a crap ton

836
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: of ordinance into the air and there's all these fragments

837
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: going around. You think we would have got something probably

838
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: and we got nothing. Yeah, So I I I really

839
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: I have I think that that was just kind of

840
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: a safe face. But I did. I looked at I

841
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess it is plausible that it

842
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: could have been some sort of enemy craph vaguely, but

843
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: we never heard any mention of enemy air fields in

844
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: use on the continent or in you know, in the

845
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: continental United States or in Mexico. We never heard of

846
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: any of that. So it doesn't seem to have a

847
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: lot of basis or a lot of footing. Yeah, a

848
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: little little shaky to agree with that pretty much. Again,

849
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: that you know, they would have found some wreckage. So yeah,

850
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: I think that we can rule that out. Yeah, it

851
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: could have been just like some people out just flying around,

852
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, no, no Japanese at all. Of course we

853
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: would have found their wreckage too. So again, yeah that

854
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: they're in lines. The rub is, well where are they?

855
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: And why didn't they say? Ah, hi u s military,

856
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: you tried to shoot me out of the air stupid.

857
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: You would think that somebody would have said something. I mean,

858
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: maybe they were too embarrassed when they realized the hubbub

859
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: that they created by taking their unauthorized nighttime flight. But yeah, yeah, yeah, alright,

860
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna solve this mystery. Well, we are out of theory,

861
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: so please, okay, what is your solution? Mr? So? There

862
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: were six and aircraft batteries around the town, correct, Okay,

863
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: five or five of the six open fire and wasted rounds. Right,

864
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Those rounds were manufactured by Acne Corporation. Acne Corporation bribed

865
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: the gunners of five of those stations to waste four

866
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: hundred plus rounds so that they could make some money.

867
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: It's always Acne. It's always Acne. Darn road runner. Yeah,

868
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: that actually would be kind of a sweet deal, you know.

869
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could bribe people to just waste

870
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: lots around so they the government has keep coming back

871
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: and buy more from you, it would be yeah, yeah,

872
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah. I mean personally, I as much as

873
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm following the company line, I really

874
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: after doing the research, I think it was the weather balloons.

875
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: Is there the only things that could have sustained the

876
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: amount of fire and stayed in the air for a

877
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: bit of time before coming down, and then nobody would

878
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: have thought twice when they saw him on the ground. Well,

879
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I'll get that one a close second.

880
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with AcBe company perfectly. Okay, yeah, Devin,

881
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: So you put me in a hard spot because most

882
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: of me wants to Sayians definitely, the Plenians or Plebeians

883
00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: and Pleadians or how are you say it didn't leads?

884
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, you know, I also

885
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: want to be rational and say, you know, weather balloons

886
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Yes, it doesn't really explain

887
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, why an hour before they the radar caught something.

888
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: But like so maybe the Japanese did send a recon

889
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: thing and that like freaked us out a little bit,

890
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: and they were just like reconting to see how close

891
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: they could get before they did something and we're seen

892
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: or anything. I don't know they might have actually been.

893
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: And you know, if it was a Japanese aircraft, say,

894
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: launched from a submarine, they might have just been exploring

895
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: our radar defenses. Yeah, that's exactly what. So they launched

896
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: a plane, they fly until they detect radar emissions, and

897
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: it's like we've been picked up to turn when to

898
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: go back? Yeah, And so it could have been or

899
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: it could have been just a random occurrence to one

900
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: of our planes. And there is some some evidence that

901
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: adds validity to that because when the object, remember I

902
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: said it was off the coast, and then it came

903
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: inland and then it disappeared as it hit the foothills

904
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: outside of the in just inland from the coast, so

905
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: it disappeared. So it could have been like you're saying,

906
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: it may have been a plane. Oh, we've been caught

907
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: duck down below where we should be visible and turn

908
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: around and head home. Yeah, that is completely you know.

909
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm torn between knowing that aliens exist

910
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: and this was probably their first attempt at contact, which

911
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: we screwed up. Yes, ever and now and now they're

912
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: arming for bear. Yeah, which you know, yeah, man, going away. Man,

913
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: that's how alien talk. I know you know that as

914
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: a sentient robot that I'm so sorry. Okay, all right, well,

915
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. All of the links about this particular

916
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: episode will be on the website as always. That website

917
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. When you're on the website,

918
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: you can listen to the episodes, and you can always

919
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,560
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920
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: got a couple of those recently, which is good to

921
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,360
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922
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923
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924
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925
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Speaker 1: those are those are starting to roll in, which is

926
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Speaker 1: fun times. Now, if you know that an episode should

927
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928
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,960
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929
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931
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934
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: have at it. And of course last but not least,

935
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: you can second last and not least second. Anyway, you

936
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: can send us an email. That email address is Thinking

937
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. So if you've got

938
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: ideas of things you'd like is to look into, or

939
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: just general comments stuff like that, feel free to send them. Yeah,

940
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: maybe somebody that you know has disappeared, like you know,

941
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: been abducted by UFOs and you want us to find them.

942
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: You will be if you fologous. If you're from a

943
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Pleadian beam ship, please write us an email. But we

944
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: actually do have an email that we were going to

945
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: read this week. And you know, the mail bag is

946
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: always is overbrimming with letters, so i'll just well, just

947
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, randomly pick a few out to read. So

948
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: this guy is from a guy named Joe Blank. I'm

949
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: not going to give you his last name. Hey, Thinking Sideways,

950
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: love your show. I work at a big window list

951
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: warehouse all alone and spend nearly all of my time

952
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts and audio books on a variety of subjects.

953
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: But I have always had a love of the mysterious

954
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: and creepy events in history, which we're all about in

955
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: high school on the East Os. That was a big

956
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Art Bell fan. Oh Art Bell and us, well, yeah,

957
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: we just talked about him last week. Yeah, yeah, uh,

958
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: And had a tape recorders set to set to a

959
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: timer so I could record shows while I slept until

960
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: as he was not on until one a m. E.

961
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: S t I wish there was a podcast in the

962
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: same vein, and then I found Thinking Sideways a little

963
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: before Christmas, and Binge listens to every episode. The show

964
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: is clever and I appreciate how careful you are to

965
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: articulate all explanations. Equally, I recommended the show to my

966
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: friend who listens to the podcast other than w t F,

967
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: and now he listens to nice work. So thanks a lot.

968
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: That we appreciate that you appreciate us. And uh, you know,

969
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: keep those cards and letters rolling in and and I really,

970
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I really hope that that you know, we make life

971
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: in that uh it's a window lists warehouse, I believe,

972
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: yeah a little better because I've worked in a cube

973
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: village before, which was in the center of a yeah,

974
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: in the center of a giant building and so I

975
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: could see, you know, nine yards away was a window sunlight,

976
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: so I can kind of relate, which still fun. So yeah,

977
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: I hope things are going okay. So I have another

978
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: piece of listener mail that I wanted to read. Oh yeah, yeah,

979
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: it's some fan mail for Devon. Actually it's, uh, since

980
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: we already talked about my mom, tonight, we're gonna talk

981
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: about my dad. It's from him. I didn't know he

982
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: was listening to the show, but apparently he is, um

983
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: and he just sent us an email and it just

984
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: says see in this link, and it's a link to

985
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: wine Spectator that is about how well Champagne ages in

986
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: reference to the Baltic Sea anomaly. Oh yeah, we were.

987
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: We were wondering about why they were going after these

988
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: were like it was probably gross. Apparently it ain't. Is

989
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: totally fine. Thanks dad. I still don't I still don't

990
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: think it was like a UFO. But yeah, well thanks

991
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Devon's dad. Now now I know, Yeah, now we know

992
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: there's actually legitimate reason for them to be going after that. Champagne.

993
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: I really love the way your dad told geus listening

994
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: to the show. Quite awesome. I hope you're enjoying the show. Alright, gang,

995
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got for this week, so we

996
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: will be chatting with you next week. Have a good one.

997
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Next time we're going to solve another one. See you then.

998
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Speaker 1: Bufologists