1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: And I was still trying to move, like you know, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm staying in twenty seven and people were egging on 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: that behavior like yeah, you know, stay in that bag 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: of like fresh and just came and I was like, 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: but I'm not, and you know me, and this is 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: not all of who I am. And it's fine if 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: I go and do five other things. It's fine if 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: I go and expand over here. And then it just 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: started to do on at me, like none of that 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: makes me. What you're right, What makes me is the drive. 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: What makes me is the determination to see the things through. 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: What makes me is and and and it doesn't even 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't have to explain it either. I can just 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: be me and that's enough and that's okay. Like if 15 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: I never see another note, that's so. I am singing 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: because our guest is a cell but she's so much 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: more than just a singer. She's a soul stress. She 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: is a prophet, she is uh if you want to 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: talk about jobs. She has her own radio show, How 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: You Listen, She's all things. Welcome to the podcast. To 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: stand every champion and carry champion is to be a 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: champion out of champion and carry champion and carry champion 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: out of champion and carry champion and carry champion raiders, 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: raiders and sports and entertainment can naked wider in the 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: world with vulnerable considered. We come and remove the vail 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: from entertainment elite. It's a difference between with it's real 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: and with the public seats. So here's your favorite celebrities 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. It's refreshing up. Then the whole story 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: specific life ought to rend events to shake the person 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: that you can. We gotta champion and carry champion the 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: girl you did it. It's the greatest in sports and 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: entertainment can naked with every champion and carry champions to 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: be a champion out of champion. They carry champion the 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: girl kitty kind of champion and carry champion and carry 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: champion raiders, freiders and sports. So I love stories that 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: talk about how you just happened to be in the 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: right place at the right time, how destiny was was 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: really truly working that day. Are in that moment for you. 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: I have had those things happened to me so many times, 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: and I look up and I'm like, oh, my steps 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: were ordered. I was supposed to be where I am 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: at this moment. I am supposed to be in this world, 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: living this life, doing what I'm doing exactly in this moment. 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: That's how you know your steps are ordered. So I 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: interview Estelle, our guest today, and she tells this amazing story. UM, 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and most of you know her from American Boy. Obviously, 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: that's when she really became, I think, and I don't 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: know much about music, but that's when she became, in 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: my opinion, a true mainstream hit. She already was very 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: well known in Europe, in London, in her home. Um, 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: she had done the work, she was already proven, she 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: was talented. But she used to come to the States 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: here where we all live and listen, um, and she would, 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, hustle, she do her thing. You know, that's 55 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: what people do when they want to make it big. 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: Whatever that means, to whomever that means. So she tells 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: this really funny story about when she met Kanye. Back 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: then he was Kanye n Ya, not running for president, 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: not married to Kim Kardashian or now strange whatever is 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: going on there. He was just Ya. No I apologize, 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: he was Kanye, UM. And she says she met him 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: at Roscoe's. And for those of you who have never 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: been to l A. Uh, you probably have heard about Roscoe's. 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: It's a it's a cultural phase. But she met him 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: at Roscoe's. She said she was listening to his music. Um, 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: she'll give the story in detail, walking down the street, 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: she went to get some food at Roscoe's. Who's sitting 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: near Roscoe's. But here's the kicker, She's not even tripping 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: off Kanye. That's not actually who she's trying to talk 70 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: to at that moment, to get some of her music 71 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: basically in front of meaning, hey, I want you to 72 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: listen to this. Yeah, Kanye is cool. Like she wasn't 73 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: disrespecting him, but she had a she had a vision 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: of who she wanted to work with and it wasn't 75 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: He wasn't necessarily her first choice, which I think is great. 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: But imagine walking down the street listening to the music. 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: Then you see the person, then you talk to them, 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: and that's all she wrote. That's what I referred to 79 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: as destiny. That's what I referred to as your moment. 80 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: That's what I referred to as walking in the steps 81 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: that you were supposed to be walking in. They were ordered. 82 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: You were here in the moment when preparation meets opportunity. 83 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: It's a rap and she was prepared and she's gonna 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: tell a really great story, and I thought that was amazing. 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Among other things that she's gonna share, She's got a 86 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: lot of gems and I'm grateful that decided to come 87 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: on the podcast. We have never met in person, but 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: we know a lot of the same people were social friendly. 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: You know how that is nowadays. You're friends with people 90 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: on social but you've never met him, and then when 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: you meet him and be like hey, gor hey, um. 92 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: And so that was beautiful. With that being said, I 93 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: also want to do a little housekeeping. I always thank 94 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: you guys for tuning in. UM. A couple of weeks ago, 95 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: I had Candice Parker on the podcast, and you guys 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: showed up big for that to listen to her story, 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: to to be inspired and and I said at the 98 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: top of the show, is that the woman she is 99 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: as someone I admire, she doesn't respond to critics. She 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: just lets time tell her story. What a lesson. And 101 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: this week we had some amazing news. She talked about 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: being married on her two your anniversary and expanding her 103 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: family and it, you know, pretty much broke the internet 104 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: and I thought that was funny because so many of 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: you we're like, oh, but her circle must be tight 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: because her friends haven't said anything. You do realize that 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: she works in this business and people respect people's privacy. 108 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: We live in a day and age where y'all think 109 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: you'll got to know everything. Y'all don't have to know everything. 110 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: It ain't none of you'all business. I battle with that NonStop, 111 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: and and and and here's the true story. It's not 112 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: about telling her business. It's about her telling it when 113 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: she's ready, on her time, if she chooses to any time. 114 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: That's a message for all of you guys. Do not 115 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: feel pressured by society and Instagram and quick picks and 116 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: likes an instant gratification. I call that candy. There's no 117 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: sustenance there. Going to get your salad and your broccoli 118 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: and your vegetables that will help you grow. Candy. Is 119 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: I need some quick likes to say something, to be popping, 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: to be out and about to share things with you guys, 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: because that's what people think. That vegetable stuff that I'm 122 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: talking about, I know it's the real hood analogy. The 123 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: vegetable stuff is letting it marinate letting let time tell 124 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: your story, right, as as my girl says. And I 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: told her, I was just like, I'm proud of you, 126 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: and I re up that podcast for you all to 127 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: listen to you. I encourage you to go listen to 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: it again. Um, it's a word, it's a word. It's 129 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: still a word for me. Grateful to her, Grateful to 130 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: people who support because that's really important. People love you 131 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: all the time, but do they support you being being 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: There's a difference. Uh. And speaking of support, I got 133 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: a new fan. I'm a fan favor right now. Still 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: she's my favorite. I asked her. Everyone's my favorite. Le 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: so forgiving you, but I did ask her. I said, so, 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: how do you feel about your career overall? Right? Because 137 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, if you're not paying attention, 138 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, is she still saying? What's she doing? 139 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: What's she doing? Let me tell you what she's doing. 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: She's thriving, she's found herself, she's comfortable in her own skin, 141 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and she's not feeling the pressure to be on that treadmill. 142 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: So much easier said than done. I'm speaking from experience, 143 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: but she dropped some gems. Most importantly, when you get 144 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to the story about Kanye listen to your girl carry 145 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: all excited? Uh and then what uh huh? And then 146 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: what uh huh? And then what Welcome to Naked Enjoy 147 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: the show and Okay. So I feel like we have 148 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: so many of the same friends and common are people 149 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: that we know in common? It is a very small 150 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: don't you were? Like? You like I know you? Socially? 151 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Do we have to personal way? It's like one personal 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: way every time, Isn't it Isn't that common? Have you 153 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: noticed that? Yeah? Yeah, I feel like I'm almost like 154 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon to a degree. I'm like, you wanted away 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: from loads of folks. I keep getting in mind all 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: you know someone? So I'm just like, okay, You're like, yes, 157 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: plenty of people. I know everybody. Okay, good, I'm glad 158 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: we got that in comment That means that at least 159 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: we know some decent people. Then write like everybody's normal? Yeah, 160 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: were you? Let's start good because Naked Naked literally the 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: podcast is about just how folks are doing. I love 162 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: to promote anything that you have going on, but I 163 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: do I do like to do a temperature check, how 164 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: has the pandemic or as my one good friend, cause 165 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: it the panini. How's it the pannini? How's it been 166 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: treating you? Maybe the panoramic? It's been it's been a 167 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: wild time, that Edie p word. At this point, it's 168 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: it's been good, you know. Like, UM actually wasn't too mad. 169 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: It's act more the consistent unshortness and unashoredness and like 170 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: just consistent disruptions to our actual mental peace because of 171 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: the news and because of the elections, because so much 172 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: information and disinformation and all of that going up. Um. 173 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: Aside from that, you know, I actually was happy that 174 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have to do more than focus on a 175 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: few things or maybe one thing a day, you know. 176 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: And I've really I've really kind of been walking in 177 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: that space for like two years a year before of that, 178 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: just you know, on my own. So this is kind 179 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: of like, oh, I really get to zoom in now. 180 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting that you say that, because I 181 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: had to slow down completely. It was like it was 182 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: like a complete hall um. But now I don't want 183 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: to go back. How do you feel? I agree, I 184 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: have zero desires to go back to a thousand things 185 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: a day. I enjoy the balance. Now. The work for 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: me is maintaining the balance, and that's the part that's 187 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: becoming like okay, okay, don't don't do your head in 188 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: because you did nothing for six hours of the day today. 189 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay. It's that that's okay too, you know, 190 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: like you don't have to feel every minute every single day. 191 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: You can switch off and you can have your time 192 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: off still, not just because it's not the same extreme 193 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: as the previous Panini. We're still in it, but you 194 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: know it's not as extreme. Way we're able to go 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: outside now. It's not like we have to stay in, 196 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: you know. So it's just being okay with that. How 197 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: how do you get okay with not without being busy? 198 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I every single even when I don't have to be 199 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: up at the crack of dawn, I'm up to say, 200 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm like move, what I'm gonna do? Go without? Okay, 201 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: do something moves? Why? Why how do you maintain being 202 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: okay with that? It's it's a little bit empathy for yourself. 203 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: It's in a little bit of grace for yourself. I 204 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: think that's how I've started to learn it. Look at it, 205 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I we we weren't. It's took I'm for you one, 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: and it's like the eight years of my life, get 207 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: what take ten um? I was. I've been moving, I've 208 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: been like the child that was. Now I gonna go 209 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: read a book. Now, I gonna go listen to some music. 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: And when I you know, I grew up and decided 211 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: I want to be an artist. Now I'm got feeling 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: all the gaps and know all the things, and there's 213 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: no time to rest the voice. I might not get it. 214 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: I might not get it. You know, I gotta gona 215 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: get it. I gotta gonna get it. That was since 216 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: I was a child. So I give myself a bit 217 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: of grace now when there's no you know, when I 218 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: found myself in the space where it's like, okay, I 219 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: did my things today on purpose, you know. And even 220 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: though I'm giving myself the time off, I still would, 221 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of like fight, like go do 222 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: some sit up, Go do some yoga. Go and sometimes 223 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: like no, just lay on the couch. Just sit on 224 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: the dock. Again, I don't feel but I, frankly, we 225 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: love to sit on the couch. Like even even though 226 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: we fight when we're there, when I'm there, I'm like this, 227 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: this is where it needs to be and I don't 228 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: want to get up. What is that? What is that? 229 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: It's the other side we've been ignoring for far too long, 230 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: the other side about that we've been ignoring for the 231 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: longest time. We've been sitting there saying, you know, it's 232 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: because of what we do for a little where outside 233 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: with public figures and some you know, different formats, and 234 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, you need to be seen, you need 235 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: to show people that you're doing things otherwise that next 236 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: check might not come, or that next opportunity might not 237 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: blow up. But your you know, your brains having a 238 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: time about it, and your your mental health is taken 239 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: a hit, and you're like, but okay, it's gonna take 240 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: a hit one day, but I'll rest tomorrow. I'll relaxed tomorrow. 241 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: When the very time you need to relax is that time, 242 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: because you know, what are we doing? Like what are 243 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: we doing? What a what a what a crazy world? 244 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: It's so fucked up, Like we live in a world 245 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: where we are apologizing for wanting to relax and take 246 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: a mental break like that, I stopped. It's wrong, I 247 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: have I have stopped again. I give myself grace, and 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: I'll give myself some empathy. Other times when I when 249 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: I messed up, for say, and I don't give myself 250 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: the space, so I beat myself if I'm like, okay, 251 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: we li's been thirty something years of you going there. 252 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be easy to just switch to because 253 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: the relaxed and calms them, you know. But I'm gonna 254 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: try again tomorrow. I'm gonna try again the other day 255 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: I'll be okay. Yeah, oh my god. That was That 256 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: was a word of wisdom brought to you by a cell. 257 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: I hope you She got me thinking. She have me thinking, well, 258 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: can I go home after this and lay down? I'm 259 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: afraid of go do it. I did not think for 260 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: the day. I did I think for the day. You 261 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of talked about this in an interesting way. I 262 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: always I envy because what we do, I believe, is different, 263 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: but we do have the same insecurities perhaps or the 264 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: same ideas that say, oh wait, if I'm not being seen, 265 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: that means I'm not working, which is just not true. Um, 266 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: how do you how have you rather been able to 267 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: reconcile a very very very public career to being able 268 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: to be at peace with people knowing who you are 269 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: because I have to imagine when you first started in 270 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: the business, you thought this is what it would be, 271 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: not even first because the first you weren't an overnight success. 272 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: You were hustling way before you were even brought to us, 273 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: like let me just get there, like you ain't gotta 274 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: let me not just act like Okay, Kanye West was like, 275 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: come here, I found you on the street. You know, no, no, 276 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: FA definitely knew me five to seven years before we 277 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: even did American Boy. Okay, so talk to me about that, 278 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: talk to me about the the trajectory in which were 279 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: you were you were grinding, and then Kanye comes in 280 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: and says, hey, come come work with me. I've been 281 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: watching you well, so let me let me not even 282 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: give Kanye all the props like this was. This was again. 283 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: I was a child that was like I got little, 284 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: gett get it, very very focused, very very like, where's 285 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: the opportunity. Let me go and make sure I push 286 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: and make sure that people know this is what I'm 287 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: gonna do. And by the time we met in two 288 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: thousand two, I think two thousand three, I had been 289 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: an artist in the UK for some time. I was 290 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: already you know, super established. You know to a degree, 291 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: and they knew me. So me walking up to him 292 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: and Ruscos and saying, Yo, you're a really big funny you. 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: You're great, You're incredible. Also, where's your leagin? Because I 294 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: really like his voice. Wasn't a weird thing for me? 295 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: You know which Roscoes, which, by the way, for the 296 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: folks who are listening, Roscos is the home of chicken 297 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: and waffles here in California. So she wrote upon him 298 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: in the One on Hour, which is in Hollywood. Okay, 299 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I love the story. Okay, so what what time of 300 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: night was it? Who was it in? Who was you? Win? 301 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: All right? So look, so time of day, I was 302 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: there working on my music. I paid for myself to 303 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: come out and work on records with producers out here. 304 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: I was in the studio of like Corrupt and a 305 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: bunch of other people and just trying to like really 306 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: get it going. And I had been saying that this 307 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: was just like a hotel residents thing right on Sunset Sunset, 308 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: like a few blocks off Aget One. So I go 309 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like listening, I'm listening to this mixtape, this 310 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: mixtape earlier the day, and I'm just happy to you know, like, yo, 311 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I just I feel something with this this music, John's voice, 312 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: and I'm really and I've learned I'm that spirit. I'm 313 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: led by energy, by gut feeling if something's really showing up. 314 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: I see the signs, like a hundred percent of the 315 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: time it's been like boom, and here is the thing 316 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: that was showing he the signs for boom. So I'm 317 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: listening to Kanie and Mrs Kanye. I'm walking along Sunset 318 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: right and again I'm established at home. So I mean 319 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: Gucci sandals right by the way, walking along the sunset, 320 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: thinking to myself and cool, I mean by the way 321 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Echo skir you know, like remember the echoes. Yeah, and 322 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm killed. But I walk in right and I'm talking 323 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: about this. I got a real like is this was 324 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: this funny? Like because he's just stopping and looking like 325 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: why is she walking? So anyhow, I get to Roscoe's 326 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and I literally opened the door go to do my order, 327 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: and you look in and it's like Kanye, John Legend, 328 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: maybe John Monopoly, and one other person and they're just 329 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: sitting at this table. And I was like, so I'm 330 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: doing my order and I sit outside and I was like, God, 331 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: if you're there. I need I need John. I need 332 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Knyie to walk out. I need to ask him about 333 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: John because I didn't want to get signed to Kanye nothing. 334 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: I wanted John Legend for a feature on the record 335 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: iver and he three seconds later as I'm sitting outside, 336 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: and I said, please, Lord Jesus name Amen. I said, 337 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: thank you God, and I phone Core pressure on him 338 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: like yeah, so hi, and I'm telling them. I'm telling them. 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I know who you're talking about. Oh 340 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: I think I may. I heard you're very good. And 341 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: so I said, look all of that, I have a 342 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: record I would love. John Dudgeon used me, like you 343 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: know John. I was like yeah, yeah, he said he's 344 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: loving and he's like all right. So he gives me 345 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: his number and I go to the studio and I'm 346 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: there still in my daytime clothes. But you know, California 347 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: gets cold. But I just wanted to say, who gave 348 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: you the number? Who gave you the number? Ye, He's like, 349 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: here's my number. This is a two thousand three Kanye 350 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Okay number. There's a whole other human. So we go 351 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: to I still, I want to put your on pause 352 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: because I'm really mad at you right now was the 353 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: first album like still freestyle and still had something to 354 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: prove Kanye, this wasn't this isn't this isn't yeah, this 355 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: isn't yeah. Officially, yeah, this wasn't him. This wasn't him, man. 356 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: But so it was just a different uh, different vibes, yeah, completely, 357 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: And he was still, you know, really excited, and you know, 358 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: we'll go about listening to and talking to a new 359 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: artists in a different way, in a different way. So 360 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't wild for him to say, oh, here's my number, 361 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: you know. So and I grew up and I've been 362 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: around rappers. My first single was wrapped, so I knew 363 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: how to hand myself. I didn't ever feel like, uh weird, 364 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, cool back. So I go to the 365 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: studio and John is sitting there the whole time in 366 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: the session at record Plant. He's doing a record for 367 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: this young Chicago artist he won a studio session with him, 368 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: and John is Ryan is record with him, and I'm 369 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: sitting next to John the whole time, and me and 370 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: him were talking geeking out about map books because I 371 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: had just got my white map books. And so he 372 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: goes into sing and I didn't even know it was him. 373 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: He was singing some other things. You know, he didn't 374 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: introduce himself and nothing like that. So I'd say to Kanye, 375 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like all right, time I wanna 376 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: it was John. I'm trying to leave. I want to 377 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: go back to the hotel. Spit like I'm tired, you know, 378 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: like it's been spend a day. He's like, you were 379 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: just you were just talking to him. That's him in there, 380 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: and now I was singing. I was like, well, okay, 381 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: so then I wait till you get south and food 382 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: and then we have a whole I play him the 383 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: record and and I think what they got was like, Yo, 384 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: she really came and did this. She wasn't here for 385 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: the mess around. She was here to like, get you 386 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: on this record, bro. So you know we connected. I 387 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: had my my hard drive ready, I had my was 388 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: MP three he played, you know, like the MP. She 389 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: was like, I brought my equipment. I was ready to 390 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: get you on this record, sir, Come do the record. 391 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: I go home in a couple of days. Back you 392 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: in it or not? Like you know like and that 393 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: was and that was it, and they respected that. They 394 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: saw my hustle they saw my work. John go on 395 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: the record, Um, the album did really well. He let 396 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: me told him in the UK he went gold and 397 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: then you know, it moved a a He signed me 398 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: and then we did An American Boy with Kanye. So 399 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: it's been it's been like a five year boil, three 400 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: five year boil. But more importantly, the heart, your heart 401 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: and and what you wanted, your manifestation had been there 402 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: since this this this gift was given to you from God. 403 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: So for you to walk up and be like, yo, 404 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm making this happen. You brought in your you brought 405 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: your computer, and you brought your equipment, and he was 406 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: like where it? So do you mean to tell me 407 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: you didn't even know that was John Legend. You're like, 408 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: where is he? Because I've been here because there were 409 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: no pictures of him out like that back then to three. 410 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: There was just this voice on the mixtape, right you remember, 411 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: like it was just a voice on the mixtapes that 412 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: he would put up. And I had never seen a 413 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: picture of John and what you looked like. I just 414 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: heard this judge voice and I was like, Ah, it's 415 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: what this voice. We're gonna do something great. I can 416 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: feel I can feel it. And you know the reason 417 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: why loving is that is something that's happened to everybody, 418 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but it's something I would do. I'd feel 419 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: like where is and then they'd like right here. You're like, 420 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, I didn't know what you my back? 421 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: I do that all now? All now, I'm like, yo, 422 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: so okay, hyeah for god, oh my god, hey Oprah, 423 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even notice you kidding you know? All day 424 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm like that, I know your face, so how's your name? 425 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: I didn't Okay. After the break, when we come back, 426 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: a cell tells me something that I'm really surprised by, 427 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: like shocked, literally shocked. And then it also made me 428 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: look at me, like what you're doing with yourself? Time 429 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: to get naked. Every chappion and carry chappion is to 430 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: be a champion of champion and carry chappion and carry 431 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: chappian a chappion and carry chappion and carry chappiraids and 432 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: sports and then the tam making naked work. Every chappion 433 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: and carry chappion is to be a champion a champion. 434 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: They carry chappion and they cappy chappion, they carry chappi 435 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: and they carry Chappion Sports and then welcome back. We 436 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: had to pay some bills. We have the lovely, the talented, 437 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: and the really wise Estelle on today's podcast. Congratulations to 438 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: you because that the story you just shared. And I 439 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: know you've said it before and people are always amazed 440 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: by it. But when I when I tell you, every day, 441 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: I am a witness to someone who is literally walking 442 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: proof if you were ever what's meant for me is 443 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: meant for me. That story is an illustration of what 444 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: was meant for you. Um every single moment, walking down 445 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: the street, flying yourself out here, being at Roscoe's looking inside. 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: If he comes out, I'm gonna say something. I'm gonna 447 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: say something. I get there, Well, where is he? I'm 448 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: not tripping, I'm not being a groupie. I'm here to work. 449 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: They saw the hustle. It is literally meant for you, 450 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and it's not. I don't care if that was two 451 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: thousand three card Yet he ain't given out his number 452 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: to everybody. I don't. He was. He was surprised. I 453 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, had the brick phone to the little 454 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: Empson joint, just my my, my credits running now I'm 455 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: texting home, like have you put tempound on my phone, 456 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: PA can't go done. So then you have this, this 457 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: this slow build. As you say do you have this, 458 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: you burst on the scene. And for people who are they, oh, 459 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: you're overnight wonder, overnight hit sensation whatever they say, You're like, no, 460 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: I've been at this for a while. What then is 461 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: your trajectory? What is your in game after that? What 462 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: are you thinking? I was. I was following on the 463 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: energy that I had kind of given myself at that point. 464 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna win Grammys. I'm gonna win Grammy's. I'm gonna 465 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: be nominated for Rammies. I'm gonna be legacy. I'm gonna 466 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: have a great legacy as far as music. I put 467 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: too much of my life into this to not you know, 468 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: to not hit those marks. And sure enough, Grammy's nominated 469 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: many times, one one um Emmy nominated. You know, like 470 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: it just it keeps going like and I'm just rateful 471 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: like that, I'm living the things that I said I 472 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: wanted to do, you know. M Yeah, I love it too. 473 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm grateful too. I love it. Okay, So then you 474 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: decide you have to make a decision or maybe not. 475 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: You live in l a or you live and go 476 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: back home to London. It was it wasn't a hard 477 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: decision to make because one the weather. I moved to 478 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: New York first, and I was like, you know, like, 479 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: first of all, New York is great when you're in 480 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: your twenties and it's a good time. And I was 481 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: like too hard, like boo, let's go but because I mean, 482 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: but I've walked in to New York mid twenties with 483 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of support behind me, right, I walked in 484 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: with like a label and you know, not too many 485 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: things to worry about because I still have my British citizenship, 486 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: And I was like, if anything happens, I go home 487 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: and go to the doctors and everything will be free. 488 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't you know right, you know, there 489 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: wasn't too much to worry about. I had to just 490 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: focus on music and focus on being great in that aspect, 491 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: and so I decided to just move. And then I 492 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: was signed to a US label because it was they 493 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: kept flying me back and forth and that that budget 494 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: was not stretching, and I was like I knew a 495 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: little bit about the business where I was like, yeah, 496 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: we're not We're not We're not going to be We're 497 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: not gonna howe you millions and flats, We're not doing that. Yeah, 498 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: happening in the business side, Yeah, yeah, a little. And 499 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: then and then I moved to l A because of 500 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: the weather, because sunshine and it is freezing in New 501 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: York in the winter. It was ridiculous. You find yourself 502 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: in l A living access people. When do you decide 503 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: or when do you get comfortable with what will be 504 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: in terms of your career and what you want to do. Oh, 505 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: I'm there right now, like you said, But you had 506 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: to arrive there right Yeah. I had to pull everything 507 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: apart and put everything down and everything so I had 508 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: to just get quiet. I had to sit down and 509 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: really like decide whether I wanted to just be famous, 510 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: whether I wanted to be in the high or they 511 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: actually wanted to have a substantial career with things and 512 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: numbers on the board. Not that you can't do both, 513 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: but for me at that point, I couldn't do both. 514 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: It was a lot to carry, and it was it 515 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: was almost like oh goodness, like my brain is is 516 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: too much. After twenty almost ten to fifteen fifteen, twenty 517 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: years of like every day I got o get it. 518 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: I got o get it. I got OK. Then real 519 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: life kicked in and my body was like rejecting it 520 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: and my brain was rejecting it, and ex was started 521 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: to flur up again. After ten years of clear skin. 522 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: My ex men was like, yo, hi, hi, it's X 523 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: is like a it's like A tapped me on the 524 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: forehead personally, like, yo, you too stressed out. You're too 525 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: stressed out, Like, calm it down. And I've had it 526 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: since I was a child, and I remember I can 527 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: point to the times when I've had flir up. So like, 528 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: after ten years of it being pretty clear, it just 529 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: came back with a force and wouldn't go for like 530 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: a year. And I started to realize I was doing 531 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: a lot of unnecessary stress attention. I started to realize 532 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: I was operating as a child when I was growing up. 533 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: I started to realize I was just letting a lot 534 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: of the old ways of being be my new way 535 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: be my way of moving forward, you know, like, and 536 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: I was like, well, the the third year old can't 537 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: move the same as a third year year old. Third 538 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: year old can't do the same as a four year old. 539 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: And I was still trying to move like, you know, 540 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: stay in twenty seven and people were egging on that 541 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: behavior like yeah, you know, stay in that bag of 542 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: like fresh and just came and I was like, but 543 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm not, and you know me, and this is not 544 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: all of who I am. And it's fine if I 545 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: go and do five other things. It's fine if I 546 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: go and expand over here. And then it just started 547 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: to da on at me, like none of that makes me. 548 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: What you're right, What makes me is the drive. What 549 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: makes me is the determination to see the things through. 550 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: What makes me is and and and it doesn't even 551 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: I don't have to explain it either. I can just 552 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: be me and that's the up and that's okay. Like 553 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: if I never see another note, that's okay. If I 554 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: never run up into not that that's gonna happen. But 555 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: if I never run on up to somebody and say 556 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: give me a record or let me work with you, 557 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: that's okay. If I never you know, that's all right. 558 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: None of these things make me a spell, you know, 559 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: Like I started to realize that and then get comfortable 560 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: living that. That's the part that was tough. Yeah, you 561 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: don't have to do that, Okay, We'll come with the 562 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: master class of spell as you speak to my spirit? 563 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: How did you get okay with that? Or how are 564 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: you being okay with that? Currently? Yeah? Like, it's because 565 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: we grow, it's it's um I'm trying to articulate in 566 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: a way, it's it's growth in a way that allows 567 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: me to just live a little bit. When so in 568 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: in the prelude, to the to the COVID, the sit down, 569 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: the quietness, the all right, if you have twenty four 570 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: hours in a day and none of those things have 571 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: to do with say, then what mm hmm. Then so 572 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: that means that you're not worthy. That means that you're 573 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: not good at as an artist. That means that you're 574 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: not you know, you're not anything like you know, are 575 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: you talking crazy to God right now? Like you can't 576 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: tell him that what he made you to be as 577 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: a soul human just sitting down, that wasn't good enough 578 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: without the talent, without the thing that makes you the 579 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: talent that everyone perceives me. What other things did he 580 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: give you? What other things did he say to you? 581 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: You're really good at that? There aren't tangible things like 582 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: going and performing for somebody that you know where you 583 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: are you able to speak? Are you able to you know, 584 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: like what's your talent with reading? Like what what are 585 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: your other things? And if none of those things exist, 586 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: are you still okay to just sit quiet mhm and 587 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: know that you're enough and know that you're beautiful and 588 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: know that everything is still perfect because life is working 589 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: for you, Like are you able to do that? Those 590 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: were the ones where it was sitting down in the 591 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: house spinning thinking I was going losing mind, like, oh God, 592 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: let me smoke something. I don't know, let me take 593 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: the CVD. I just I don't know if I can 594 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: do this. I don't know if I can do this. 595 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: Where are the gummies? Let's figure this out? Right? I 596 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: realized I cannot. I cannot. I can't do. I can't 597 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: do I can't smoke weed anymore? What I can't just 598 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot, Like, but what you just said is a 599 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: message if if, if you couldn't do anything else, why 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: are you not good as this the human that God 601 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: created you to be? If you could not do whatever 602 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: this gift is, you thought that you were supposed to 603 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: bless the world with him. You were just to sit 604 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: down and observe for however long he says, to observe, 605 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: like you were too observed. Can you do it? That 606 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: is powerful because I think in everyone's career we have 607 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: that moment, and then when we get really comfortable in 608 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: that moment and we're talking about some people with some 609 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: long chevity, you then realize where you belong or what 610 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: your or what your purposes. What would you say? You know? 611 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Your purpose is it to servant, to teach, is to 612 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: give um. I have been saying it for the longest. 613 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: I would pray before I go on stage, and I 614 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: would always say in my prayers, Uh, you know, let 615 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: whoever needs wherever they need to get from us, God, 616 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: let let them get it. Let me be a vessel, 617 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: Let me be able to when we're all here to serve. 618 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: You gave us a gift to serve. None of it. 619 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: I give the energy like none of us are bigger 620 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: than anybody that's outside and looking at us and stage. 621 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: So if I'm hearing I was supposed to sting in 622 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: a specific way, I pray that whoever hears it receives 623 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: it that way. If they're supposed to get love, let 624 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: them feel love today, Let them feel joy. Let them 625 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: feel like they need to dance today, and they feel 626 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: like they need to dance. Let them dance their ass 627 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: off today. Whatever you need for me to give today, Lord, 628 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: let me give it. And that's a solid prayer I 629 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: pray before every single show. So I realized my thing 630 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: is to is to serve, is to give, is to teach, 631 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: and to be a vessel like you know, like that's 632 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: that's it. And it comes in more ways than just singing, 633 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, like I'll sit down with friends and we'll 634 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: sit in a roman, be silent, We'll have a big discussion, 635 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: sit in a Roman, and that it will settle and 636 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: they'd be like, you know, you know when you said 637 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: earlier today and I'm like, well that was that was 638 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, that one not do with me. We just 639 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: needed to ask, you know. So we have those conversations now. 640 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: And I realized that's something that you know that goes 641 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: used me for now that I'm just grateful to even 642 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: be able to m hm to do, you know, as 643 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: an artist, because I have most artists that I know, 644 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and I get different types of art, right, there's different 645 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: types of art. But singers, actors, people who have been 646 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: blessed with the talent to be so creative, you do 647 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: need to rest your mind, um and we don't ever 648 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: do that, but are I love you for saying that. 649 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: What are your projects like currently that you're working on 650 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: where you see how it was really divinely put put 651 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: out there for you to do this, like this is 652 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: all put in place, like you are where you need 653 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: to be. But well a radio show where Apple came 654 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: And that's an example of like when you're just quiet 655 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: and it go to like you ready now cool? But 656 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: um were in a studio session and I didn't even 657 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: I was tired that morning. I do my sessions in 658 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: the days, toad of night, like got do a session 659 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: of Teddy and like nine pm because I have things 660 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: to do now. I bess my days. So I mean, 661 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: where we see this session? Thank you? And we're isn't there? 662 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: And my A and I and some of other teams 663 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: and some of other friends who are writing friends, and 664 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: they're like, you should have a radio show because you 665 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: even knowing so much about music. And I never thought 666 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: about it in the way that they were thinking about it. 667 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it more like we would do 668 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: like pop talk, you know, kind of like a talk 669 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: show like a podcast. And they were like no, no, no, 670 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: like you know, all the people and you know, all 671 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: the different genres and the way you bring them all together. 672 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: You should do a radio show, you know like that. 673 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: And we were like, maybe you should do a podcast 674 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: like that, and I was like m hm, and told 675 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: we speaking my team members and so we thinking about 676 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: it or we're going around about it, and we said, 677 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just go see what Apple is 678 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: talking about. And we went over to Apple and Apple 679 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: were like, matter of fact, do you want to come 680 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: on here and host the radio show five days a 681 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: week doing exactly what you said with even more freedom? 682 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: And I was like yeah. And it came I want 683 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: to say, six months before um COVID hit, especially six 684 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: months before, so around about September October it started to talk. 685 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: We started to talk about it. January February we had 686 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: a photo shoot for it. March we all got shut down, 687 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: um you know, but the radio station went ahead and 688 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: it went up. Now the show is just been like 689 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: a musical events space for me. Everything I listened to 690 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: What's your Goal from I don't know, Cat steven Sufiel 691 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: Stevens too, you know, to like to John Legend to 692 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: Bunny Wayler to I don't know, go Space, some ray Kuwan, 693 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: it's all getting played on our show, you know, And 694 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know a show like this. I 695 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: don't And I'm not pontificating, and I'm just talking and 696 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: being myself. And you know, some days I used to records. 697 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: Some days I sing along. Sometimes I give memories, you know, 698 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: and I just get to be it's a beautiful that's 699 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: a beautiful range to have to sing along to maybe 700 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: give a memory of what you remember, what you know, uh, 701 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: to to just introduce it like, that's beautiful range. That's beautiful. 702 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: That really is. I'm just saying that as someone who 703 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: is who holds a night because I surely can't sing. 704 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: But it's been for me with music, It's always been 705 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: about the vibe. We all listened to so many different 706 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: types of music, right, we all we're all interested in 707 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: so many different things. I don't understand why it has 708 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: to be I never understood, and I refused to sit 709 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: in it. I refused to be the artists. I was like, 710 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: I just do earnestly American boys. A dart record, Loki 711 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: is the house and garage record, you know when you 712 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: think about it. So when people classify his armbi because 713 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm black. Sure. I've done Conqueror, which is a pop ballot. 714 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: I've done a Freak, which is a which is a 715 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: boat and more Damian boatmore house. You know, like, I 716 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: don't fit in any genre. The only Armbie record I 717 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: could say I've done is thank you. Huh that's it, 718 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: you know. I can't wait till you get your oscar. No, 719 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: I see that. I you you do you see that? 720 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel that? Oh? For sure? That was my 721 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: next I see it. I just got chilled just right now. 722 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't have to come to that. I 723 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: don't have to come to the after party. I just 724 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: want you to know you come in because it's the 725 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: first You're the first person is I When he said that, 726 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: I see it on everything. I'm not even kidding. I 727 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: always thought to myself as I as as I was like, 728 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: what a great singer, I always know that, I was like, 729 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: I wonder when she'll start really truly deciding to take 730 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: these roles on that that that show her acting skill set. 731 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: I was like, in my mind, I literally have said 732 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: I have said that, not that I want any props, 733 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: but you that's what you have. You you're giving me 734 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: all of that right now. Um, before I let you go, 735 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: I have to ask you a couple of quick like 736 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: housekeeping questions. I want to make sure my research is correct. Yea, 737 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. True, you're one of nine. Yes, there's 738 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: so many of us, eight nine. The youngest is youngest 739 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: just turns twenty one. It's a wild time. I am. 740 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm forty one. Crazy. Um, I'm the second oldest. I'm 741 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: the second I'm the second oldest. I'm the oldest of 742 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: six girls and the three boys. Do you guys didn't 743 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: all live in the house at the same time. Clearly 744 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: at one point, at one point for like two months, 745 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: and then then itybody has to go back. Yeah, that's wild. 746 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: What does you teach you to grow up in a 747 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: house with so many siblings? What is that when you 748 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: look back? What dude, what have you learned from that 749 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to someone who's an only child? Well, I 750 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: learned the thing. The thing I learned was, Um, family 751 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: is amazing, right, The sense of stuff you get from 752 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: family is amazing. It's also a double aged sort because 753 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: then you start relating to everybody as though they have 754 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: the same relationship as you have with your family. Your 755 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: brother and sisters. You talk to everybody like that, and 756 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: not everybody can receive that or knows what that's like. 757 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: And it it gets weird, you know, Um you start 758 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: looking at me like sister brother, you know, because everybody 759 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: because this twelve myself all times everywhere, I'm never alone. 760 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: I was never alone. So then you know, I moved 761 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: to a whole another country and and I would take 762 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: people in in the same way, and it would be like, yeah, 763 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm not your sister, I'm loaking jealous, you know, I'm 764 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, and so it was. It was some confusion, 765 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: but you live and you learn, and it hasn't stopped 766 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: me from being equal, you know, open ums either way. 767 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's a it's a learning kind 768 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: of boundaries. I'm fascinated because I'm an only child and 769 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm all, like, I wonder what that would be. I 770 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: feel like I'd have a whole different demeanor. Although although, beautiful, 771 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: sister friend, you have such a loving demeanor you have 772 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: you have one. You have a beautiful demeanor too, You're 773 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: not like, you know, I don't even I can't even 774 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: call it when people like, oh single, Like I don't 775 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: even see the difference. I think you are who you are, 776 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: that thing who you strive to be always shows on out. 777 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: I would I would have thought you have brothers and sisters. 778 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look at you like I have 779 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: half brothers and sisters. But it's different because I didn't 780 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: live in the house with him. That's why I was like, 781 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: I wonder what it would be like. I think I 782 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: probably would you know i'd like to share my food. 783 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 784 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I wouldn't. I was gonna say, 785 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: maybe I would share my food. I don't know. I 786 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: still hate sharing my food. I like, okay, so the 787 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: only thing I hate sharing with them is chuckling. Yeah, 788 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: because you're just like I love it. It's a it's no, 789 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: don't touch it. What do you get out? It's not 790 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: for you? Um, before the lasting last thing, do you 791 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: have any projects you want to promote before I let 792 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,439 Speaker 1: you go? Anything working on promote in our stories? Well, 793 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: we have the radio show with Apple Music right now 794 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: working on any album you know, and when it's renish 795 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: ready will be up. Yeah. I'm not gonna not thinks 796 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm like, I know, look you gotta take 797 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: your time. I know how arty. Look. We know we've 798 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: been in this in this world long enough to know 799 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: how artists are. It's when it's ready, when they're when 800 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: it's ready. And also I'm taking again, I said balance, 801 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm learning this salent thing, and you know it's not 802 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: every day I have to push in Russian, say what 803 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: is the album coming? List? Of all the things, it's like, okay, 804 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 1: things have to fall into place. I have to fall 805 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: into place. Let me live a little bit more with it, 806 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: you know, another inspirational come for what it's gonna look like, 807 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: and let me get that together first before I present 808 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: it to the world. So that's gonna skyrocket to that's 809 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: propicly and be with the movie. It'll probably be the 810 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: soundtrack for the movie where you your Oscar and your Emmys. 811 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: That's where I'm at you right for Jesus name Amen. 812 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't know about you all, but I'm a little 813 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: surprised that she said if I never sing again, I'll 814 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: be all right. If I never do ABC in D again, 815 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: I will be just fine. It will be okay. I'm 816 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: surprised by all of that, and that's simply because she 817 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: sang um again walking in my purpose. I can't be 818 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: defined by what you think I am. I'm defined by 819 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: who I am. WHOA that was my bar I just 820 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: came up with that. Still, thank you so much for 821 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: coming on and um listening to me and let me 822 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: have some fun with you, A stell, You have been 823 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: a true pleasure in the sense of as it you know, 824 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: you gotta talk to her like she's listening, as true 825 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: pleasure in the sense of it's refreshing. It's always refreshing 826 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: to meet people who are comfortable in their own skin. 827 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: And I feel like I gave me a gift to 828 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: discern that, right, that's a blessing and a curse. Like 829 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: I know when people are truly authentic, and I know 830 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: when I'm not being authentic. But I know when someone 831 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: is really speaking from their heart and they've been through 832 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: some things that have led them to this point of arrival. 833 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: If you will, And boy, am I grateful she decided 834 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,479 Speaker 1: to share this story right here on Naked We're gone 835 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: on Christmas break Housekeeping, Christmas break Housekeeping. This will be 836 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: our last show until the new year. So don't be 837 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: like we're naked. We're naked, We're on Christmas break. We're 838 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: on Christmas break, just like you. Listen to all the 839 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: episodes you haven't heard over your break, catch up, get excited, 840 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: get into it if you will. I appreciate all of 841 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: you all. Happy holidays, Happy New Year, make all the 842 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: resolutions you need. But most importantly, the only thing that 843 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you this has been my lesson for 844 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: the week. Do not betray yourself. Love yourself. That's the 845 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: only way that it works. Blah blah,