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Speaker 1: Doron Cheffer was their point guard six five. He was

426
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: like twenty four years old. Senior Ray Allen was a

427
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: junior his he had the biggest calves I've ever seen.

428
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: Travis Knight. They had a dude named Kirk King who

429
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 1: I think made I'm gonna I'm not looking this up.

430
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it was like fifty two straight field goals

431
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: in Big East play, right. He was just a bucket around.

432
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: And then they had Rudy Johnson, and then off the

433
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: bench they brought those freshmen, Ross Jones and Ricky Moore.

434
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: Um and so here's my here's my first Yukon story

435
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Speaker 1: for you. So I get home from abc D camp

436
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: in the summer of I'm a rising senior and at

437
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: the time, you know, before I went to a B

438
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: C D and I gone the year before, I was okay. Um,

439
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: the only big schools to offer me were Florida coach

440
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: by Lon Krueger and Virginia coach by Jeff Jones. And

441
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: I was in the I was like in on both.

442
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: Virginia had a point guard, Harold Dean, like that dude

443
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: was had the biggest arms and shoulders I'd ever seen,

444
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: Like I loved. I've suddenly became like I knew all

445
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: about both campuses because I thought those are the best

446
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: destinations I could possibly have. So I get a call

447
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: from Yukon and um, uh, what was probably most interesting

448
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: about the call was the juxtaposition of the assistant coach,

449
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: who I could understand, and the head coach, who was

450
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: Jim Calhoun, who I couldn't understand. And I'm telling you,

451
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand a word that Beheim, who I love,

452
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: by the way, now now that I know him to

453
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: this day, Like I I couldn't um what was his

454
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: name was? The guy was um? Uhs, I'm blank you in?

455
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: His name was the assistant he went he was the

456
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: head coach of George Washington for a while. God. Yes,

457
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: So Carl Hobbs calls me and he's, you know, hey,

458
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: look we play fast. We need a point guard. We

459
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: got dron Cheffer, he's a senior. You back him up

460
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: for a year and then it'd be your team. Blah blah.

461
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is great. I got family

462
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, you know, like, I love the way you play.

463
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: You gotta you know you had uh you had a

464
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: guy who I grew up, Kevin Ali watching. You got

465
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: all these dudes right like all this sounded great. So

466
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: then he puts on Jim Calhoun and you know, he's

467
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: got this hard Boston accent and he talks to me

468
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: a fast, and I canna said ways. I couldn't understand

469
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: a word he was saying. Um, okay, your memory of

470
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: that Yukon team outside of the Big East Championship game

471
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: is what, like, what do you remember about the team,

472
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: how they played? Do you remember who they lost to

473
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: in the tournament? For example, I'm pretty sure that was

474
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: the year they lost to Mississippi State when Mr to

475
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: be State was five seed. Right by making that up,

476
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: I think that was the know you are you are

477
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: Dante Jones who magically had kid's name with Dante Jones,

478
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: who had like twenty seven credits in the summer to

479
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: get eligible, some kind of magic pen sort of thing. Yeah,

480
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: I just remember that the kid ended up being like

481
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: a second round draft pick and I hated him forever.

482
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: Eleven year old me just despising these Mississippi State basketball

483
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: players that I had never heard of before. But I mean,

484
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I mostly just remember loving Ray Allen and loving Kirk King,

485
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: and I don't think I really knew what I was

486
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: watching at that point, but it was the kind of

487
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: thing where I mean, I still no joke. I still

488
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: have the Ray Allen's jersey that I got at the

489
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: time when I was in leven Old, somewhere in the

490
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: back of one of my closets. Then it's one of

491
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: the things that you just can't get rid of, you know,

492
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: the first I feel like the first sports team that

493
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: you fall in love with is the one that is

494
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of gonna set whatever your fandom is for the

495
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: rest of your life. And you know, I'll be honest, like,

496
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: watching that team is probably the reason why I chose

497
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: the career that I did. Um, but you didn't go

498
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: to Yukon, right, didn't you get a vasser? Yeah? I

499
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: did not go to Yukon. I my choices came down

500
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: to a bunch of Division three programs and then these

501
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: vassers get more con College Wesley and all all schools

502
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: like that, or uh to go play basketball or go

503
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: to Yukon and just be a regular student. And um,

504
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: I've been something made the decision I wanted to play

505
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: Division three basketball, and uh, you know it, it worked out.

506
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I just so many great memories from you know, being

507
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: on those teams and guys I'm friends with stilling for

508
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: this day. So I think you ended up being a

509
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: right decision. I would agree, like I think, goes somewhere

510
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: and play it changes your entire college experience. Um okay,

511
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: So Vassar College D three hoop, Um it's in Poughkeepsie.

512
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: I've only seen pictures. It looks beautiful, by the way,

513
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: maybe that's just the main building. What what what is it?

514
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: What is pus is gorgeous to the time of Pokeepsie is? Uh?

515
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: Is not? Okay? I mean that's that's a lot of

516
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: college towns, right, I mean, you know Notre Dames like that. Um,

517
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean nobody goes like, man, you gotta live in

518
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: South Bend, but then you go to Notre Dame be

519
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: like wow, this is like walking around in a museum

520
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: at times, and some of those some of those buildings.

521
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: Um okay, so you shall who's your Who's your coach

522
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: at Bassar? His name was Mike Gutton and he was

523
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: there for probably fifteen years before I got there, in

524
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: another five years after I left. He was just one

525
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: of those guys that hung around forever and everybody associated,

526
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: uh Bassar College basketball with Mike Gutton. What was his

527
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: coaching style? Like? Uh, it was he Um you watched

528
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: the office, right, yeah, Steve Carrell, Like, if you want to,

529
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you wanna kind of compare him to somebody he was.

530
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: We joked that he was kind of like, um, Steve

531
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: Carrell from The Officers, A great guy, friendly's guy in

532
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: the world. Uh, not the most um charismatic person, Like

533
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I got a couple of stories. There was one game

534
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: where uh, he had to get um I think it

535
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: was it was the laser surgery on his eyes, and

536
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: for for like three games he wasn't allowed to have

537
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: sunlight directly hit his eyes, but he didn't want to

538
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: wear the sunglasses, so he just coach with a Vassar

539
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: baseball hat on his head for something like two weeks. Um.

540
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: There was another game where he didn't want to eat

541
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: the three game meal, but he got hungry during the game,

542
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: so he whipped an apple out of his pocket and

543
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: was just sitting there on the sideline, uh, coaching while

544
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: union apple. So um, he There's there's plenty more stories,

545
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: uh like I but that was kind of the guy

546
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, very much like Steve Carrell. Awkward, Um,

547
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really know how to interact with people

548
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: the right way. That's funny. Um, your okay, your first

549
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: year was what was what year was it? Was it?

550
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: Oh three or O two? Two thousand? Three, uh, two thousands,

551
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: two thousand three, um, and I was there until you know,

552
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand four, and I was there

553
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: until two thousand and eight. I took the five years

554
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: playing thousands. Okay, so uh and then by the way,

555
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: that was that was Dutton's last year, right, because then

556
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: he went. Then Del Harris took over, which is like,

557
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't even know Del Harris coach

558
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: to Vassar. How do you go from coaching the Lakers?

559
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: It is same Dell hair It was so so here's

560
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. It was, it was a different

561
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Del Harris. But when we saw he was getting high,

562
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: like how how we didn't admit for Del Harris and

563
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: then we find out it's a it's a completely different guy.

564
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: But that that was everyone's reaction as well. They don't man,

565
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: programs really looked up. Got the old old Lakers coach? Nope,

566
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: not him. I think we got him from Morgan State. Yeah,

567
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: what what you had? Your second year was a five

568
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: and twenty year? What was that one? Like? Not very good? Man?

569
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: It was not a lot of fun. You guys turn

570
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: you guys turned around. Yeah, So there's my recruiting class

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: and the recruiting class after me. We were the ones

572
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: that kind of change what Vastard was for probably um

573
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: a good three or four years stretch. There was a

574
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: year where we made it to the conference tournament title game.

575
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: There was a year when we finished second in the league.

576
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: We had a couple of guys that were a year

577
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: younger than me that I mean, they shouldn't have been

578
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: playing Division three basketball like they weren't. Uh they weren't

579
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Duckan Robinson or anything like that. But if you were

580
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: to put those guys on like an I D League

581
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: roster or Patriot League roster, they would have been able

582
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to thra So that's really what it ended up being

583
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: was you know, I was just kind of the six

584
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: seventh eighth man that was out there to just go

585
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: fire up a bunch of threes. That was kind of

586
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: my job in my role. But the guys they brought

587
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: in where I mean they were they were just good

588
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: man and and um they kind of built the program

589
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: into something that, uh, it probably hadn't been in the past.

590
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: So you get done at at Bassar, then what that's

591
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: where it gets fun. So UM I ended up getting

592
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: a job in d C on K Street for some

593
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: lobbyist firm UH sitting at a desk answering phone making,

594
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it was like thirty grand a

595
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: year or something, not enough to to really be able

596
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: to pay rent in UH in d C. And I

597
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: just I hated it. I was absolutely miserable every single day.

598
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: So what I did was at my desk. Since all

599
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: I did was a early sit there and answer phones,

600
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: I just started my own own blog on blogspot dot

601
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: com um and called it Bawling into the Habit. Decided

602
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: after doing one season of that that I wanted to

603
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: find a way to make this full comf so I

604
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: quit my job. I ended up bartending at a place

605
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: two blocks from the Smith Center where w plays in

606
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: DC and How to Try to make your Cope Basketball writer.

607
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: Within three years, I was freelancing for NBC Sports and

608
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. By two thousand and thirteen, I was at

609
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: NBC Sports full time, and seven years later they fired me.

610
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how it on working out.

611
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: You know. I would say that it was um that

612
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: I was lucky, but I just I feel like I

613
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: put in the work to get where I was. You know,

614
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of sleepless nights when

615
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: we kind of first got started running the site. But

616
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't wouldn't change it for anything in

617
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: the world. Man. I got that. I tell people all

618
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, I have the best job

619
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: in the world because I never actually have to work.

620
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, I just watched and talk about basketball every

621
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: single day. So there's a lot of things that could

622
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: be um worth about the situation that I'm in right now. Yeah,

623
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's see I've done that when

624
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: I speak at basketball camps. How many of you love

625
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: you guys love basketball? How many guys play basketball? How

626
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: many guys get paid to talk about basketball. I'm like

627
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: the only one in the hand up in the in

628
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: the gym. It's it's it's so much fun. And you're

629
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: a ball guy like I love reading too and listening

630
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: to your work. So it's out of complete respect, let's

631
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: let's let's get to like stuff of the day. Uh.

632
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: First thing is, do you think we're gonna have a season? Man?

633
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: I really hope. So I just at this point, man,

634
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: I between a pandemic and losing my job, Like I

635
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: need something to bring me up and I need a

636
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: college basketball season. But this is kind of the way

637
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: that I've thought about it and thought about the year

638
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: is that I'm just putting myself in the frame of

639
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: mind where it's not going to happen, and I'm thinking

640
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: and kind of looking forward to the season like it's

641
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: not going to happen, so that when we get something,

642
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it, right Like, I don't want to

643
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: be the guy that's like, oh man, we're not getting

644
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: non conference played, Like what's the point of even playing

645
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: the season. I want to be the guys excited when

646
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: they say, you know what, You're gonna get a twelve

647
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: game uh, big tent schedule. Everyone's gonna play each other

648
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: once and it's going to be a neutral site and

649
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be allowed on campus. But we're going

650
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: to try to make sure that we get these games

651
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: in and I just I want to be excited about

652
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: actually getting something and have something to look forward to.

653
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: So that's the way that I'm looking looking at it

654
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: at this point. But I just it's hard because you know, honestly,

655
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: I feel like the biggest danger when it comes to

656
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: UM spreading the virus is not going to be the

657
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: actual sports themselves. It's not going to be the practices.

658
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: It's not going to be the interactions with the team.

659
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Like the NBA, the mL AS, the Premier League, the

660
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: European soccer leagues. They're proving that if you do things

661
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the right way, you can actually have sports, and you

662
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: can do it without spreading the virus. The the concern

663
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: to me is going to be what happens if and

664
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: when these kids are like on a college campus, because

665
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna end up being where this thing kind

666
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: goes crazy, right, Like, how many you think about when

667
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: you were in college? Because I know that I would

668
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: not have twenty year old me would not have been

669
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: very good at listening to protocols that the CBC put

670
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: about about not partying and uh social distancing and doing

671
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: all that kind of I was an idiot when I

672
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: was nineteen. I would have been out there and I

673
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: would have been spreading the virus and I probably would

674
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: have gotten it. So um, I do think it's the

675
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing where being a student is much more

676
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: dangerous than being a student athlete. But I don't know

677
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: how you can have them be student athletes, you know,

678
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: with what amateurism and all that, when the reason that

679
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: they're actually playing the games and putting themselves at whatever

680
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: risk they're gonna be at is simply because these schools

681
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: need to be able to make the money in the

682
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: athletic Department's need that injection of income to be able

683
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: to function the right way. So it's just it's a

684
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: very very difficult spot to be put in. There's a

685
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: couple of things here. Um well, the first is and

686
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I kind of knew this, but I didn't know the

687
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: depths to it. The first thing is I didn't realize

688
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: how many guys that play take almost all online classes anyway.

689
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: And um, you know this, this kind of goes back

690
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: when when Travis Ford got fired at Oklahoma State and

691
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: uh they hired Brad Underwood. I was trying to advise

692
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: the athletic director and trying to get some a little

693
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: bit of feel for what was missing, right because the problem,

694
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: one of the big problems there is like like you

695
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: have a really small town, but you need you need

696
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: the students to show up. You need When I was there,

697
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: there was very much a feeling like we were one

698
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: of the students and they showed up and they had

699
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: our back, and we had football's back and whatever. There's

700
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: just kind of so I was trying. I was doing

701
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: like a little research in terms of like why why

702
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: isn't everybody so down on the basketball program? You know,

703
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: like Travis is not a bad guy, and they the

704
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: players aren't bad guys. Obviously I win enough, but there's

705
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: it was kind of more to it than that. They

706
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: were like, you know I again, I was talking about

707
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: how like, you know, after you you beat oh, you

708
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: like nothing like going to class and I day and

709
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: getting out of boys And I talked to the academic

710
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: advisor and she was like, these kids they don't go

711
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: to they don't want to be on campus. They just

712
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: they want to be in the gym, Like they're they're

713
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: so trained to be in the gym that they take

714
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: online classes and they're they're barely students. So the first

715
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: thing is there is a bit of a misconception in

716
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: how much things have changed in terms of being online.

717
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Second of all, like as long as they're taking class

718
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: online or whatever, I don't actually think that matters in

719
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: terms of representing the school. They they already are representing

720
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: the school. Um. The difference, obviously is the fans, the

721
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: third part is, yes, the money is a factor, but

722
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: suddenly we've become this thing that's like only only money

723
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: for college basketball. College football is a negative, Like the

724
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: only reason they're having school this year is because all

725
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: of it works based upon money. Right, the whole thing

726
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: works based upon It's the same reason that when you're

727
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: in elementary school they want you to show up, you know,

728
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: and they until ten thirty because they get money from

729
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: the state for every kid that they have. Right, So

730
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't when we when you say it's about money,

731
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: there becomes this a well, it's only about money and

732
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: evil forces that play like not not really, it's still hoop.

733
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: And you I actually think in some of this, like

734
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: if you're playing an empty gym, it's much better and

735
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: preparing yourself for playing minor league or overseas hoop when

736
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: you you don't always feed off the energy and the building.

737
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: You got to learn to just go out and hoop. So,

738
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: but but do we have it. Here's here's the big

739
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: thing holding it back. You're right, it's there's one thing

740
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: that I do want to add to that is that

741
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: I think regardless of what the the money coming in

742
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: would be like whether or not these guys are getting paid.

743
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: I think all of these college kids want to go

744
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: on playing, right, like, well maybe not all, but most

745
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: of them want to go out play because he those

746
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: that their past to manking basketball or career is going

747
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: out improving what they could do at the college level.

748
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: And I also think it's important to note that, like

749
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of guys what you're off in

750
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: the draft and the past, Like if this was a

751
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: year ago and we didn't have to wore about a pandemic,

752
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: and he knew that the G League was gonna happen,

753
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: and we knew what the overseas market was going to

754
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: look like. I don't think that Deared Butler is coming

755
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: back to school. I don't think that I presumes coming

756
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: back to school. I don't think that trended Bottler's coming

757
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: back to school. I think it's it's a very different

758
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: discussion in terms of the players that actually withdraw and

759
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: keep their name in the draft and and and go

760
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: and and turn pro because there are so many question

761
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: marks about what the professional landscape is going to look

762
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: like and what the employment landscape is gonna look like

763
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: for a professional athletes and professional basketball players that when

764
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: you say Okay, we can make sure that you're gonna

765
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: have a place to live, you can make sure that

766
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: you're going to have access to a gym that you

767
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: know is safe. We can make sure that you're going

768
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: to have a meal plan, we can make sure that

769
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: you're going to get your stipend, we can make sure

770
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: that you're going to get all this that in the

771
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: third like that becomes a very secure option. And and

772
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that's why, like, I don't think that Jared Butler is

773
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: going back to Baylor because he has anything else to prove,

774
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: or he doesn't think that it's good enough to be

775
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: a professional basketball player. At this point, you know, he

776
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: could have been a second round pick. If you're picked

777
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: in the top forty five, you're probably going to get

778
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: a guaranteed via contract. But the problem is that there

779
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: is no security. There's no way that you can say,

780
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: I know that G league is going to happen. I

781
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: have that at the very league to fall back on.

782
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: We don't know two way contexts are necessarily gonna look

783
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: like next year, so that the security of looking at

784
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: at the bare minimum, but whatever these uh, these amateurs

785
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: are able to get right now is something that was

786
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: actually appealing to this. So I do think that that's

787
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: important to point out that the structure of how it's

788
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: basketball was self. There's something that kind of is these

789
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: guys a place where they can go for a year

790
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: before they can actually go and start their professional careers. Um.

791
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: The the other part is this, And I talked to

792
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: a college coach this weekend and he was like we

793
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: were basically he was agreeing with everything you're saying, which

794
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, the problem is I can't control what

795
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: they do when they're not in my basketball in inside

796
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: the basketball facility. And to go along with that, now

797
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I carried the liability to it. You know, like if

798
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: they're at home and they get sick, Granted they might

799
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: not get the same treatment they get here, you know,

800
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: it might not get tested like they would here, but

801
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: it's also not on my watch, you know. And I

802
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: think that's the big fear for administrators and coaches is

803
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like uh uh. And one of the

804
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: things that's a misconception is people think if you sign

805
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: away a liability waiver, it waves liability. It doesn't they

806
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: don't actually hold up in court. Um, you're still gonna

807
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: be you still can be liable. If a guy gets

808
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: sick and doesn't get proper care or whatever. But I

809
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: think the liability is a is a big thing. Okay,

810
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: So speaking of the guys who is actually in the

811
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: this is the weird it actually like, this is a

812
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of a It is a cruel thing

813
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: to say, but I'm not sure like it's bad for

814
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: the sport. We didn't have an n c A tournament

815
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: because it brings such passion to it. But if there

816
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: was every year in which you're like, you know, we

817
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: could skip this year, it was last year because there

818
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: was so many like unknown players and they would have

819
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: made names for themselves during the during during the tournament.

820
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: But it does give us a chance to kind of reload, refocus.

821
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: Wasn't a great freshman class. They didn't have these great impacts.

822
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, one and done. Zion Williamson, he's going

823
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: to be a stud. Can't wait for the NBA draft.

824
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: So Jared Butler's come back, Luca gars is coming back. Um,

825
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a good portion of players who's actually

826
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: in the NBA draft. Cole Anthony right for one, He's one.

827
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Wiseman is another one. Who else am I missing? In

828
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: terms of the guys that we should pay attention to.

829
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: UM I do think that Obie Toppen is a very

830
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: interest name to me because I think he's a guy

831
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: that can have as must have an impact next season

832
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: as just about anybody in in in the draft. I

833
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: think that I would say that he's maybe the favorite

834
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: twin workie of the year, even though I don't like

835
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: I would never take him with the number one overall

836
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: pickuse I think his his feeling as a player is

837
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: very limited, but I do think he's a guy that

838
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: I would call the favorite twin rookie of the year

839
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: next year, depending on where he lands, because I think

840
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: when you look at the way that he plays and

841
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: his skill set it in the in the shooting, and

842
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: what he can do kind of as a pass or

843
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: in the short roles, he just fits perfectly with ball

844
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: screen offenses as a big guy, right, And that's basically

845
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: what NBA teams want to do these days. And you know,

846
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: I have very real questions about what he's going to

847
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: be defensively. You know, he doesn't really move his speed,

848
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of got high hips. I don't think that

849
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna ever be a guy that is going to

850
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: bully people down low. But if you can tell me

851
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: that he's gonna average like thirteen six next year and

852
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: shoot like thirty five percent from three, I think that

853
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: in this draft class, that might be enough to get

854
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: your Rookie of the Year. So Obi Toppin is a

855
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: guy that I'm excited about seeing in the n b A. Yeah.

856
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: My my thing with Obie Topping is obviously he can

857
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: be a stretch five, right or there's some sort of

858
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: four five. I just I'm with you. I think there's

859
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: a lower ceiling. But I do think that he's much

860
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: more refined, you know, as opposed to some of these

861
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: other players, that there's gonna be two or three years

862
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: before you're seeing the type of production that he can

863
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: likely give you immediately. I just don't know, you know,

864
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: like I don't feel like he's not like an NBA

865
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: All Star, And it could be to be a good player,

866
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: be a really good player. Um okay, So then we

867
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: we have we have Sadiq bay Um who So who

868
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: do you like in terms of upside? Of course you

869
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: have um, you have mellow Ball who's you know everybody

870
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: I look, I I his size and his vision UM

871
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: are impressive. I would point out that he shot like

872
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: twenty five from three and thirty four from the field,

873
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: and we kind of got caught up in watching highlights

874
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to teach him how to play defense.

875
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: But he does have and and if his body feels

876
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: out the way that his brothers filled out, where like Zoe,

877
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: he could become a big time athlete. Now, all of

878
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, you got a six ft seven big time athlete.

879
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: But the shooting is problematic, although guys usually shoot better

880
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: once they become NBA players. The defense is problematic, although

881
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: you would think that you know, his brother is a

882
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: great defender, so he can kind of figure it out.

883
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's start with mellow ball. Where are you a mellow? So?

884
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I watched every single game that he a in Australia.

885
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I went on that deep dive. I had time to

886
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: kill uh in May when we were locked down. So

887
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: I watched every single game that Lamella played. And I

888
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: think that you're right about the shooting, Like you've got

889
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: this weird release for it's kind of a push shot,

890
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: and both of his hands are on the ball and

891
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't have great shot selection as it is, so

892
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: that's definitely like the number one concern concerned for me Defensively,

893
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: like I would say, of his struggles on that and

894
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: before we're just effort Like I don't think that he

895
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: really cared all that much defensively, I swear, Doug, you

896
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: can go through and they're like five or six clips

897
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: where he's just kind of standing there on the weak

898
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: side of the floor, like being the bottom of the shoes,

899
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: looking off into space as there's a law screen and

900
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: the guy rolling to the rim where he should be

901
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: theres to help me. He should be there as a tagger,

902
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: but no, he's not. He's just kind of staring off

903
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: of the space and not really paying attention. And I

904
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: don't know that's something that seems when he did to

905
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the NBA. But I do think that when you put

906
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: him in an NBA organization where maybe he has uh

907
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: someone to answer to that is necessarily his father or

908
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: his manager or somebody that kind of facilitated the deal

909
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: to give him to the n B O, I think

910
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: it's something where he might be held a little bit

911
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: more accountable. So I'm a little bit more bullish on

912
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: him defensively, because, like you said, look at the way

913
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: that his brother has developed. I think he submitted an

914
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: NBA strength and conditioning program, maybe gets a little quick,

915
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: a little stronger. I also think it's important to know

916
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: he's I believe he just turned nineteen years old, but

917
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: he's one of the younger kids in the draft, so

918
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: he's still like a Lake bloomer right like, well, was

919
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: he six to as a freshman? Maybe swallow than that?

920
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: So um, I like him. I love the potential. I

921
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: think that it's also a situation where like there's gonna

922
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: be no middle ground. Either the Melo ball ends up

923
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: being an All Star or he's a guy that we

924
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: looked back in five years and be like, remember when

925
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: he had all that hype. Yeah, I'm I struggle with

926
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: the lack of desire on any level to play defense,

927
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: you know. Now. I talked to an NBA head coach

928
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: who told me once he's like, look especially at point

929
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: guard like it. That's why they play. They'll play like

930
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: one on one in workouts. They want to find out

931
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: a kid's level of competitiveness because when you get to

932
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: the NBA, if you can't guard anybody, they know it,

933
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: and they're just gonna go right at you and try

934
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: and embarrass you and so I guess my question though,

935
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: is like, all right, well, if he wasn't playing defense

936
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: as a professional in Australia and you give him a

937
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: bunch of money and you make him the number one

938
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: or one of the top overall picks, why does that change? Um,

939
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does. I mean, that's that's

940
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: the big concern. You kind of that's like get inside

941
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: of his head and then it's a psychological thing. And

942
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone knows that other than La

943
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Melo Ball. So if you're drafting him that high, you

944
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: have to understand that it comes with that risk that

945
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: maybe he never ever wants to play defense and that

946
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: just might be who he is. But um, I also

947
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: think that if you're going to kind of take a

948
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: big swing on a player with a ton of potential,

949
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and I think we can both agree that the meloball,

950
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: if it all comes together for him, probably has as

951
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: much potential as anybody in this draft. It might as

952
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: well beat this year where like uh, James Wiseman's fine,

953
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: but I don't think that he's ever going to be

954
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: an NBA All Star. I think Anthony Edwards uh is

955
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: going to be somewhere between like a Tyree Givans and um,

956
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: you know this case scenario, maybe a guy that that

957
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: averages twenty points a game. But he's also never really

958
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: been on winning teams. He's never been a guy like

959
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: his reputation is basically what happened in that Michigan's Day

960
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: game in Mouth. He gets out big in the first half,

961
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: he has his massive second half. They still end up losing,

962
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: but he has all these great stats and he's gonna

963
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: be highlights. So if you're gonna if there's gonna be

964
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: a year where you just uh taking to go for

965
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: the home run, swing for the fences, and take a

966
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: guy that's either gonna be great or total bust, it

967
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: might as well be the year where there really isn't

968
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: but anybody, Like, there's no Zion in this year's class, right,

969
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: there's no one. There's no chop Rant, there's no one

970
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: that everyone's saying, yeah, he's guaranteed to be a top

971
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: tip team player in the n b A three years

972
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: down the road. It's just, you know, it kind of

973
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: is what it is in this year's class. So if

974
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna roll the dice, it might as

975
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: well be this season Uh, okay, let's let's let's let's

976
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: dial back to college. Um, let's talk about Yukon. They're

977
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: back in the Big East, which eventually, when we get

978
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: fans back, is a huge win. You know. The biggest

979
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: problem with the a C is all the coaches hay

980
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: the league, right and rightfully so because you can't no

981
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: matter how and and people think, well, the league was good,

982
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: the league was good. But it's really hard if you're

983
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: a Yukon to say, like, hey, instead of having Georgetown

984
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: or Syracuse or Nova, you know, come into the the

985
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: civic Center or come into stores where you get fired up,

986
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: or even St. John's and all this historic thoughts and

987
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: matchups and memories. Now we're gonna bring South where we're

988
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna bring East Carolina. We're gonna being too lane, you know.

989
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: And and you know, even Whichita State as good as

990
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: they've been recently, Like it's not like anybody in stores

991
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: sitting there going like man circle that WHICHTA State game?

992
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Can't wait till that one comes to comes to Hartford.

993
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: I will do everything to go down to the Civic

994
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: Center for that one. Right, So now you're kind of back. Look,

995
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: it's not the same Big East you know, there is

996
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: there's Creighton and de Paul's you know what of it

997
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: was a Big East member when it has expanded whatever,

998
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's some other kind of stragglers in there.

999
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, Butler is a great program, but not a

1000
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: traditional Brigg East program, but it has a big enough name.

1001
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I think like of the programs that can make the

1002
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: biggest jump back to relevance, Yukon is probably the most

1003
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: likely because you have an excellent coach who knows the area,

1004
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: who's gonna do a great job in recruiting the kids.

1005
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: He'll they'll be tough or he'll run them off. And

1006
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: you have now you're back in the Big East, when

1007
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: where Eventually, when you have fans back, it'll it'll become

1008
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: a much more difficult place to play. What are your

1009
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on Yukon, on the program now and on the

1010
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: trajectory based upon all of those factors. I love being

1011
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: back in the Big East. I think that it is

1012
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: something that absolutely had to happen for the programs. Um

1013
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you get the nail on the head. There's

1014
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: no reason to get excited about watching you can't play

1015
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: like Smme, even seeing you can't play Memphis it's just

1016
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, that's a fun match up. If

1017
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: we did it every other year and not a conference play,

1018
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: it's not something that you want to see twice the season.

1019
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: So that definitely campered down san enthusiasm. And maybe you

1020
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: can find that where the end of the Cat and

1021
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Ali era where they just were not very good and

1022
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: weren't playing uh basketball that was appealing to watch and

1023
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: weren't winning games. It's just kind of, uh, you know,

1024
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: they layned that thing into the ground. So um, I

1025
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: am glad they're coming back. One of the things that

1026
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: I think is really important too, is that the Big

1027
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: East as a whole, like you don't really have the polls,

1028
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: never graded, but you don't really have the bottom of

1029
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: the conference that you have in the a C. Like

1030
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: tooms numbers are always gonna bring everything down in that

1031
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: conference as a whole. The same thing with the East Carolina,

1032
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: like the bottom of the A a C. Drags down

1033
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: all the computer numbers for everybody that has to play

1034
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: all of those teams. The reason why all the metrics

1035
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: and the Big twelves is always the best conference in

1036
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: college basketball is because you have tam teams and every

1037
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: one of those teams is at the very least good.

1038
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: But the minimum is what You're gonna have a team

1039
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: that wins sixty and they're gonna pick off some of

1040
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: the best teams at home, right, so you don't have

1041
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: the bottom of the conference that brings down all of

1042
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: the computer numbers. The patch wealve is dealing with this

1043
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. You know, when cal is

1044
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: terrible and Washington State is terrible and the bottom of

1045
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: the league just looks terrible on Kent Tom and the

1046
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: RPIs and that whatever metric is that you're using, it

1047
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: brings everything down and to make sure that them much

1048
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: harder for you to be able to get at large bid.

1049
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: So just everything about being in the Big East. I

1050
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: think it's great for Yukon when compared to the American.

1051
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: The problem now is, you know, Danny's really got to

1052
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: get this thing going right. We were in the American

1053
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: and you're struggle when you can say, okay, I have

1054
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: only been here to seasons. Okay, how to get my

1055
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: guys in here? Okay, it's the American. We got the

1056
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: Big East change coming. We gotta got to be able

1057
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: to make these changes right. And now you're in the

1058
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: Big East. You've got James Brooke Night coming back. Who

1059
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a guy that could be

1060
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: a first teamball Big East player, maybe a first round

1061
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: picked down the road. You have all these recruits coming in. Uh,

1062
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: now is the time that you actually have to start

1063
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: proving it on the court. And they got unlucky a

1064
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: couple of times last season. You know, I think they

1065
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: had three double overtime losses, four losses in OT overall,

1066
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: so they weren't quite what their records show. And I

1067
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: think they were better than their record. But I do

1068
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: think that now is the time where you you can't

1069
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: just say that we have hype and we have momentum.

1070
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: Now you have to start getting results. And I think

1071
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: that they're going to do. But that's easier said than done.

1072
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: It is easier said than done. I would actually say

1073
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: that the one benefit they're gonna run is the Georgetown

1074
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: thing doesn't seem to have worked. I mean, he had masked,

1075
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, he had all those issues last year and

1076
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: the mass affections. Um, you know, you lose your basically,

1077
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: your teams built around a backcourt of two sophomores. You

1078
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: start the second they walk in the door. And then

1079
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: they're both gone by year's end, and then you have St.

1080
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: John's And look, I think Mike Anderson is a really

1081
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: good coach. I just and I think generally that style

1082
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: can work, but I just, you know, it's a it's

1083
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: a weird fit St. John's. It just is um so

1084
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: when you have as much as I would agree, and

1085
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: then you still and the Paul is still a mess.

1086
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: Right They got off to a hot start and they're

1087
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: still kind of a mess. And now I'm not sure

1088
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: it's left. I think it's it's a pretty it's an

1089
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: easier entry point this year than it would have been

1090
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: last year or the year before in the Big East. Yeah,

1091
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair. And you know, I do

1092
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of feel bad for h for Patt doing a

1093
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: little bit because I thought that that team was like

1094
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: I thought that was the year that he was gonna

1095
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: take the leap at Georgetown, right, Like I really do

1096
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: like James Dickinson, even though he kind of has maybe

1097
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: there's some my personality issues. I know that they definitely

1098
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: clashed with with with coach owing, but you put a

1099
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: kinjo out there with some of the talent that they

1100
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: had on the wings back mcconna's gonna maybe he never

1101
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: played defense, but he's fun to watch and you can

1102
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: go get a bucket. So I thought the last year

1103
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: was gonna the year where they kind of took the leap.

1104
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, so what happened like like what

1105
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: happened like the kin Joe like because again, you know,

1106
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm in California covering it right and I didn't have

1107
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: a Georgetown game last year, But you know, the assumption

1108
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: I I made was like that a kin Joe is

1109
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: jealous of mc McClung and the fact that he didn't

1110
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: have to play defense and he shot the ball all

1111
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: the time, So then it becomes mcinclung's team. But then

1112
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: he leaves at the end of the year, but that

1113
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: will happen. So I part of it was that, um,

1114
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: what I was told with the kind Joe and you

1115
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: and is that they really just did not get along

1116
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: and it got it reached a breaking point where they

1117
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: just decided that they were going to go their separate ways.

1118
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: That happened at the same time that another player and

1119
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm blinking on his name, but another player I ended

1120
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: up transferring out At the same time I say transferring out,

1121
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: I think they were more or less booted off the team. Um.

1122
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: And then as soon as these guys start transferring, reporters

1123
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: like me he started saying, Wow, that's weird. They're transferring

1124
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: in the middle of November when you have two guys

1125
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: maybe the two um, you know, the starting point guard,

1126
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: another guy that was starting on the wing, they're transferring

1127
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: out of the program. Maybe I should just search some

1128
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: some databases and c d C to see if anyone

1129
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: had arrested, if anyone has court cases. And all of

1130
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, you see these things about harassment, and um,

1131
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: the extreaming orders are filed against three players on the roster. Uh,

1132
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: those guys all end up leaving. And then I think

1133
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: what happened with mc mcclong is that he kind of

1134
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall. He had a foot

1135
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: injury that I don't know if was he believes was

1136
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: treated the right way, because he kept re injuring and

1137
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: would playing and sat out, the played and set out.

1138
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: So UM, I think that he saw a chance to

1139
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: kind of get out from the program that wasn't going

1140
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: to get any better, maybe get eligible immediately and somewhere

1141
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: else that had a little bit more promise and you know,

1142
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: obviously Texas Tech. I think he's a top fifteen, top

1143
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: twenty program at minimum at this point. So, um, I

1144
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of what happened with him. But

1145
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: it all, it all went downhill when they asked kids

1146
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: to leave the program, and you know, good at knowing

1147
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: that they were publicly accessible databases that said that these

1148
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: kids were facing restraining orders and then had harassment charges

1149
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: against Yeah, but so, like one of Sason, what are

1150
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: you gonna do? You keep the guy in the program

1151
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: that looks bad? Right, and you get you know, you

1152
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: run the guy obvious out Alexander and uh and what's

1153
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: a Myron Gardner? Where the two guys involved in that? Um?

1154
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: Josh blank, there's there's the other name. I finally get

1155
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: it out right, Yeah, the black super talented kid too,

1156
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: Like very, it wasn't for lack of lack of lack

1157
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: of talented. Um. Okay, let's let's let's let's change gears

1158
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: here for a second. You wanted to talk about top

1159
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: rom coms. Is that really what you want? You want

1160
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: to the top rom coms movies of all time? I'm

1161
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm a big rom What what is what is your?

1162
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: What is what is your go to. So my my

1163
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: favorite of all time is How to Lose a Guy

1164
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: in Ten Days. I think that is the classic. It

1165
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: is the standard bearer for the best romated comedies that

1166
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: you can put out there. Matthew McConaughey is great and

1167
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: can't even tell that he has the Texas act into that.

1168
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: Hudson is great. The only problem with that movie, and

1169
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to see if you picked up on this,

1170
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: is that when they're obviously doing this all from the

1171
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, they do game one, Game two are both

1172
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: in medicine square garden games around the row, and then

1173
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: game four is back at home. That just doesn't make

1174
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: any sense. That never happened to me. That's not realistic.

1175
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: So that's my one problem that's the movie. And when

1176
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: Harry met Sally doesn't doesn't do it for it's too

1177
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: old is that it doesn't stand up old school for me.

1178
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: You know. That was part of it is you have

1179
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: to understand like back then, back then Meg Ryan was

1180
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: was top notch right like she was that that was

1181
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: it was like, oh there's Meg Ryan and then there's

1182
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: everybody else right as Meg Ryan and Julia Roberts. You know,

1183
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, early in nineties, and so you had,

1184
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, Notting Hill. Um, you know my best friend's

1185
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: wedding Sleepers in Seattle, Pretty Woman. I don't know if

1186
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: that's a rom com pretty well, like you know, the

1187
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: problem is with the Richard gear story. But you know

1188
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: pretty Woman, and she's incredible in that one. Four Weddings

1189
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: in the Funeral, that's a good one. Um, but uh,

1190
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: the proposal is actually pretty good as well. Yes, that

1191
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: is good. You know, the most unpraised I think the

1192
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: romantic comedy actress is probably Cameron d As you look

1193
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: at her track records. What Happens, What Happens in Vegas

1194
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: with Ashna Kutcher was great, The Holiday with Jack Black

1195
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: and uh that that was that was fantastic. I actually

1196
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: just watched that the other night. So Cameron Daz, there's

1197
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: something about Mary all time classics as good as as

1198
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: good as it gets, as good as it gets, just classes.

1199
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 1: So to me, I think she's most under She doesn't

1200
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: give enough credit for how good she is as a

1201
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: romantic comedy actress. It was also knocked up the Good

1202
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: Ones as well. Great. Okay, I know you did Goodman's podcast.

1203
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: Did you talk beer? On Goodman's podcast. We did a

1204
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: little bit. I told her he asked me if I

1205
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: never get another job. Well, he basically said, he doesn't

1206
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: think I'm going to get another job. So what what's

1207
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: my next career? I told hi, I'm going to open

1208
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: a craft beer stor um um. Okay, where would you

1209
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: open in New Haven? I don't know, man, that's a

1210
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: good question. So my my idea, And tell me what

1211
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: you think about this business plan. So you know how

1212
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: every time on the East Coast when you drive to

1213
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: the beach, there's like one andandom county road that everybody

1214
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: has to drive down to be able to get to

1215
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: the actual beach itself, right, And you know how every

1216
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: time you drive down that road, you always see that

1217
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: one guy on the side of the road that has

1218
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: like the random smoker that's making ribs and brisket and

1219
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: pulled fork And you can pull over and you spend

1220
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: five rocks and you get more food than you can

1221
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: actually eat. So what I want to do is I

1222
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: want to be that random guy on the side of

1223
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: the road heading towards the beach. Uh with with with

1224
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the smoker making the ribs, making the pulled pork, making

1225
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: the brisket, and I also happen to have behind me

1226
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: a store that has craft beer, that has a butcher shop,

1227
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: that has anything you could ever need when you're going

1228
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: to the beach, to a beach out, to be able

1229
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: to go celebrate. So if that's maybe that's just my

1230
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: retirement plan. But that's what I want to do one day.

1231
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: So if you want to be an investor, I'm looking

1232
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: for him, Doug. Yeah, I just I don't know how

1233
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: profitable that is, right, that that feels like sort of profitability, right, Like,

1234
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if you can go with

1235
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: a degree from Bassar College and the stellar career as

1236
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: a college basketball writer and analyst to like, hey, he's

1237
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: the I P A guy who sells it out of

1238
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: the back of his truck. Like that's a good side gig.

1239
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's a good that that's

1240
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: that's a main gig sort of thing, right, the Lebron

1241
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: thing going on? All right, Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1242
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I don't like I P a s.

1243
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't like to taste I like Mexican beer. I

1244
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: just tried. Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with nothing

1245
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: wrong with a good corona on a hot day, a

1246
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: little bit of lime. Do wonder what my turkey is?

1247
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: I put a little bit of salt in the corona?

1248
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: Is that weird? No? No, But now you gotta you

1249
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: gotta go deeper. You gotta go Modela, you gotta go Doseks,

1250
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: you gotta go to Kate, you gotta try all the

1251
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: different varieties of the Mexican beer because the corona, you know,

1252
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: it's not quite the taco bell of Mexican food, but

1253
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like Chipotle. It's there's a little Chipotle

1254
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: to it of Mexican beer, right. That's that's really how

1255
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: it's how it's viewed in the in the Mexican beer community.

1256
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: Mexican beer community. I'm a big guy because where I

1257
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: grew up and getting in like a point four our

1258
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: can so I used to get twenty four ounce canvas.

1259
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: That was my move. Yeah, we used to do uh

1260
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this has hurt my love for beer

1261
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: is we used to do forty ounces of uh of

1262
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: st IDs or whatever, and that that was That's probably

1263
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: why I don't like beer that much. Is that's what

1264
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I grew up like, Oh, let's go get a forty,

1265
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: which is just disgusting. Rights, it's the absolute reverse. Man.

1266
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe some of the stuff that that we

1267
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: used to drink back in the day. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: that I actually put my body my boy Phil Hickey,

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Speaker 1: who is my teammate at at Notre Dame, his dorm room,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Hall. They were forties at four on Fridays and

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Speaker 1: they used to just have uh, they used to have

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Speaker 1: forty ounces. You go in there, you pay them five

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Speaker 1: bucks to give you a forty, and guys just pound

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Speaker 1: a forty of beer. And it was just it's just

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Speaker 1: the worst guy, Like oh, between your breath and the

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Speaker 1: hangover and just the feeling of it, just just awful. Um,

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Speaker 1: give me an end. Not a bad business model for him.

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Speaker 1: Five dollars for a forty not not bad. He probably

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Speaker 1: got a profit on that. There's definitely a lot of

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Speaker 1: profit on I think they were like two at the time.

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Speaker 1: I think they were two. You know, so you know,

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Speaker 1: you you have you know, you're making two dollars a profit.

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Speaker 1: You sell a hundred of them, and literally they could

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Speaker 1: have they could they could move a hundred of him

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Speaker 1: in a in a all all boys dorm all men's

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Speaker 1: dorm um, and I don't want to throw him under

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Speaker 1: the bus. I don't think he committed NCA violation. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say his roommate got all the profits. That's let's

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Speaker 1: just let's just do it. That one business education coming, no,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Give me an NBA player who's the star

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Speaker 1: who you were wrong about? NBA player who's a star

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Speaker 1: that I was wrong about. I didn't think Devin Booker

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Speaker 1: was going to be as good as he ended up being.

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Speaker 1: You know what if he a top top eight score

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Speaker 1: in the NBA right now. I thought that when he

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: was a lottery pick, I was like, yeah, there's no

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Speaker 1: way that that end up working out. I also thought

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Speaker 1: Scott vic Here was going to be able to see

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Speaker 1: your things out when he got to the NBA. And

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Speaker 1: you know that doesn't look too smart right now? Yeah?

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: I um, I mean I did like Devin Booker. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting you bring up the youth of mellow ball,

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Speaker 1: like he was the youngest guy in the draft, and

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01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: it's a hard one, right. It's like one of those

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01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: things where like the shooting numbers were just not good

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: in college. But if you watch him too, you're like,

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Speaker 1: well he can really shoot. I did like Devin Booker. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: everybody picks out my my Steph Curry, who I just

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: thought Steph Curry needed more time to develop. I just

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01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think he could play. I had no idea

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Speaker 1: you could one that he was would become as good

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Speaker 1: as he's become, and too, you could play the way

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Speaker 1: he plays in the NBA that we hadn't had that before.

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'll be self critical and think, I

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01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: think my last my last draft column, I said, like,

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Speaker 1: I think his his upside is like Jeff HORNI sec

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01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: really good player, can play the point, can play the two,

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Speaker 1: can make shots. Obviously I was massively wrong for a

1319
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: guy who was the first ever unanimous m v p uh.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know anybody could play that way and

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Speaker 1: be this successful. I mean, I think you can be

1322
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: for given for not predicting that a player is going

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: to change what the actual NBA looks like and change

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Speaker 1: what people consider the modern NBA. You know, It's it's

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: one thing when when when someone um, it's obviously they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to fit into the n B a

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Speaker 1: a certain way. I don't think it's you can predict

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Speaker 1: that somebody is going to change the way that basketball

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Speaker 1: is played at the highest level. And it's also like

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Speaker 1: it's part of the reason why I think that the

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Speaker 1: draft is so hard to project and why you see

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Speaker 1: so many of these guys just kind of come out

1333
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Speaker 1: of I don't want to say nowhere, but like like

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Speaker 1: a Kuai Leonard you no, right, Like I think Kauai

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Speaker 1: and Steph kind of get put in the same conversation

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: for me because they're book just in same workers, right,

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Speaker 1: and they put in the effort to get to the

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Speaker 1: point that they are and it's not like they have

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Speaker 1: necessarily when they were coming out that the ability that

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01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: that made you say, Okay, that guy is a surefire star.

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: But um, if you find someone that is a worker

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01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: like that that's gonna put in the hours in the gym. Uh,

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's something especially when they are

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: there may be young for their they're young for their raid.

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: It's something that I think, uh needs to needs to

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Speaker 1: be looked at a little bit more when you're when

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Speaker 1: you're one of these draft guys. Um. Uh, do you

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Speaker 1: like watching James Harden play basketball? No? I don't. The

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: Rockets are my beast favorite team to watch in the NBA.

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I can't do it. I appreciate

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: his skill set, but it's not when I want to

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01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: sit down and watch a basketball game, Like, I don't

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01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: want to just watch James Harden do the things that

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Speaker 1: he does. Yeah, what's crazy is there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: what he does that you love, right, Like he's actually

1356
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: a great passer, it's very good ball and unbelievable shotmaker.

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Speaker 1: It's not for lack of talent, you know, it's just

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01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: the way in which they and like now they're using

1359
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook is like a small ball five or a

1360
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Speaker 1: pick and roll guy, catching it like in the keyhole

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Speaker 1: and making plays. Like. I love a lot of Russell

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Speaker 1: Westbrook and how at times hard he plays and competes

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01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: and wants to win. But it's just a tough watch

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Speaker 1: for me in terms of man, I really love the

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01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: way that whereas I like the way Toronto plays, even

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Speaker 1: if I don't think Toronto is nearly as good as

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: other teams. Yeah, I mean I'm kind of in the

1368
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: same boat. Right It feels like all you're doing is

1369
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: watching James Harden take his turn go one on one,

1370
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: and then Russell Respert take his turn, him go one

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01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: on one, and it's just it's not it's not palatable

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Speaker 1: for me. It's not the style that I like to watch.

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: I think that anybody can see what he does and

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01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: appreciate just how good he is as a basketball player.

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it's the kind of thing that

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: I want to watch for for two and a half

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Speaker 1: hours on the Tuesday night. Okay, last, the very very

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Speaker 1: last thing. I promised, very last thing. Um five years

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Speaker 1: from now. Rob Dowsers were five years from now. The

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Speaker 1: Auster is a is working for Fox Sports one covering

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Speaker 1: the Big East. Uh and him and Dug dot Leep

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Speaker 1: have the number one podcast in all of sports. I

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Speaker 1: like it. I like it. Good good, good sale at

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Speaker 1: the end, all right, listen, I'm I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's limbs outside that you need to pick up. But

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Speaker 1: the hurricane that goes like Connecticut's always got bizarre weather,

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Speaker 1: right Like we had Halloween that was canceled because of snow,

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Speaker 1: came down the early and then down the power lines.

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Speaker 1: That was I was like twelve years ago. I was

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Speaker 1: right before I'm or eight years ago, right before we

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Speaker 1: moved out. Uh, there's hurricanes that go through there there's

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Speaker 1: hot spells. But once you get to September one until

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Speaker 1: I think Thanksgiving, it's pretty much the prettiest place on earth.

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Speaker 1: There are good things on your horizon because everybody likes you.

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Speaker 1: Unlike me, everybody likes you. So that's good. And if

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Speaker 1: this helps, even better. But dude, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time, and let's catch up very soon. I really

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Thank you. Be sure to catch the

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Speaker 1: live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: three pm Easter noon Pacific. All right, thanks so much, Rob,

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Speaker 1: that was awesome, awesome stuff. Really appreciates you joined us.

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