1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Thomas Whaley seemed destined to be a historic figure in 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: one way or another. His ancestors arrived from Northern Ireland 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: in Plymouth, Massachusetts, in seventy two. They specialized in business, 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: particularly gunsmith ing. His great grandfather played a role in 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: both the Boston Tea Party and the Revolutionary War by 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: arming soldiers and quartering General Washington for a time. Thomas 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: was born in New York City on October five, eighty three. 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Before Thomas was ten years old, his father died. In 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: his will, he stipulated that Thomas would have a robust education. 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: He would attend boarding school, university, and post grad studies 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: with a tutor in Europe. But another source has a 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: different take, saying Thomas's mother, Rachel, noticed the aptitude her 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: son showed for business, so she decided that he would 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: be given the best possible education available at that time 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: in order to one day managed the affairs of the family. 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty nine, Thomas joined the rush to California 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: in pursuit of gold. As a business man, Thomas set 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: up a shop in San Francisco where he sold goods 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: to prospectors. At the time, he wrote to his mother, 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: the circumstances under which I am going are indeed very favorable, 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: and should I not succeed, the cause can only be 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: attributed to myself. That certainly sounds like foreshadowing. In eighteen 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: fifty one, an arsonist burned down his store. Little did 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Thomas know that this was just the beginning of a 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: series of unfortunate tragedies and deaths that would befall mister 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Whaley and his family, events that many believe have culminated 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: in a home so haunted. Employees have quit midshift, tourists 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: have fled the property, and many refused to even set 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: foot within its doors. So join me, as we had 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: to sunny San Diego and into the corridors of the 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: very dark Whaley House. I'm Amy Brunei, and welcome to 34 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: Haunted Road. After Thomas's store was burned down, instead of 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: rebuilding on location, he was advised to relocate his venture 36 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: to San Diego, So Thomas Whaley relocated to what is 37 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: now known as Old Town. Thomas really became involved in 38 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: local affairs, like when San Diego was the site of 39 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: a skirmish between the Native San Louis and the white 40 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: settlers in the sheriff wanted to tax cattle belonging to 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the Native people, an idea they did not like. There 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: was an altercation at a place called Warner's Ranch, and 43 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: Chief Antonio Gara was sentenced to death. Thomas Whaley was 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: one of twelve people on the firing squad that executed 45 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Garas sentence on January tenth, eighteen fifty two. On May fourteenth, 46 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty three, Thomas married Anna Louise de Launay in 47 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: New York City's Church of the Ascension. Thomas had written 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: his mother about Anna when he was first heading to 49 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: California in eighteen forty nine. I may as well inform 50 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: you that I have a particular regard for miss Anna. Indeed, 51 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I love her and intend on marrying her if I 52 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: ever returned from California a rich man. The newly weds 53 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: returned to San Diego, where Thomas engaged in a sequence 54 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: of short term business partnerships, from operating a general store 55 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: with his brother to owning a brickyard. Thomas and Anna's 56 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: first two children were born before the family constructed the 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: Whaley House Francis Hinton, who was born on December twenty eighth, 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty four, and Thomas Whalley Junior on August eighteenth, 59 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty six. The growing Whaley family stayed with friends 60 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: or rented out rooms in the intram. In September of 61 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty five, Thomas purchased a lot from the city. 62 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: The first structure completed on the property was a granary, 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: which is now connected to the house and called the Courtroom. 64 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: It's speculated that this very lot was the site of 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: the eighteen fifty two hanging of James Yankee Jim Robinson, 66 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: a man convicted of robbery and accused of horse theft 67 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and murder. The hanging also took place in September, albeit 68 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: three years earlier. Thomas had actually witnessed the hanging of Robinson, 69 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: but apparently had no reluctance about buying the land as 70 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: an aside. Shortly after the Whaley family moved in, they 71 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: told the San Diego Union that they heard heavy footsteps 72 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: in the house, which they believed to be the ghost 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: of Yankee Jim. Seems paranormal activity goes back quite a 74 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: ways at the Whaley House, the house that Thomas Whaley 75 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: had constructed and completed during the Panic of eighteen fifty seven, 76 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: an economic depression felt around the world. The Greek Revival 77 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: structure sits at two four seven six San Diego Avenue, 78 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: again in Old Town. The first two story home of 79 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: its kind, with its mahogany and rosewood furniture, damask drapes 80 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: in Brussels carpets, was considered to be the finest new 81 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: brick block in southern California. There was a seven foot 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: high adobe wall circling the perimeter, and two gates within 83 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: the structure provided access to the yard. There was a 84 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: back corral useful for the team of horses for their carriage, 85 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: and a brick outhouse. The bricks were made from Whaley's backyard, 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: and the walls were finished with plaster made from ground seashells. 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Thomas allegedly said of the home, my new house, when completed, 88 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: will be the handsomest, most comfortable, and convenient place in 89 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: town or within one fifty miles of here. However, Thomas 90 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: also showed financial interest in the expansion of the U. 91 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: S railway system. It seems like he hoped the railway's 92 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: arrival would give him an opportunity to make money on 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: his landholdings, enough so that the family could return to 94 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: New York. But Thomas wasn't the only family member to 95 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: invest time and money into the property. The yard and 96 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: flowers were Anna Whaley's delight, and the kitchen garden contained 97 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: all manner of vegetables and herbs. Fruit trees were orange, cherry, 98 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: fig and pomegranate. There were two cedar trees in the backyard, 99 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: and Anna had planted the pepper tree on the side 100 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: of the building herself. In addition to housing the Whaley family, 101 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: the house functioned as the first courthouse for San Diego County, 102 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: held the first commercial theater, and for a time acted 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: as the Whaley and cross Wait General Store, all of 104 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: which have been restored to the museum today. In the 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: later months of eighteen fifty seven, Thomas first reopened the 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: store in his new home, but shortly thereafter moved to 107 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: a location closer to the central business district. Neither venture 108 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: proved fruitful. Eighteen fifty eight was a bad year for 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Thomas Whaley and his family. First, eighteen month old Thomas Jr. 110 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: Succumbed to scarlet fever on January eighteen fifty eight in 111 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: the Whaley home. Some good news came, though, when daughter 112 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Anna Amelia was born on June twenty seventh, eighteen fifty eight, 113 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: also in the home. Later that summer, Thomas's business was 114 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: once again burned down, but this time the fire was 115 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: started by rats with a penchant for chewing on matches. 116 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: Liquor barrels were saved, but thousands of dollars were ruined. 117 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Thomas's other investments, like the brick yard and his home, 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: brought in little to nothing. His business connections in San 119 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Diego had been soured by his dogged pursuits and the 120 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: debts owed to him. After that year, especially with the 121 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: loss of their son, the Waley family left San Diego 122 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: for San Francisco. In San Francisco, Waley worked as a U. S. 123 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Army commissary store keeper nearly six years in though complaints 124 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: about his performance made their way to Washington. Facing dishonorable discharge, 125 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Whaley resigned in February eighteen sixty five. During this period, 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Anna and Thomas also had three more children. George Hayes 127 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: wrinkled bore November fifth, eighteen sixty Violet Eloise born October fourteenth, 128 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty two, and Karine Lillian born September fourth, eighteen 129 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: sixty four. In the meantime, Thomas rented the San Diego 130 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: home to numerous occupants. At some point while they were away, however, 131 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: the home became infisted with rats. Rats seemed to be 132 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: a real problem in this bit of history, so when 133 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: lawyer and Justice of the Peace Augustus s Emsworth moved 134 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: into the home in the summer of eighteen sixty to 135 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: manage the interests Thomas left behind, he had some very 136 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: unwelcome roommates. In eighteen sixty seven, Thomas Whaley assisted in 137 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: the American takeover of Alaska, where he established stores at Sitcup, 138 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: helped set up an American base, and served as councilman. Meanwhile, 139 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Anna and the rest of the family stayed in San Francisco. 140 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: In May of eighteen sixty eight, a major earthquake hit 141 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: the region, and after this the Whaley family returned to 142 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: their San Diego home. It wasn't in good shape. Clearly, 143 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: Thomas all the necessary repairs, and daughter Lilian later recalled 144 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: that the arch which stands between the two parlors was 145 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: still in place. It is said that Yankee Jim, who 146 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: had been arrested for stealing a boat, was hanged over 147 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: that very spot. That spot today is still reported to 148 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: be one of the most haunted spots in that building. 149 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: That October never wanted to shy away from making a buck, 150 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: Thomas Whaley rented out an upstairs bedroom to a traveling 151 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: theater troope, the Tanner Troope, for the troops opening night performance. 152 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: The small room accommodated a stage, a few benches, and 153 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: an astonishing one hundred fifty guests. It was standing room only, 154 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: and the ladies had been advised not to wear their 155 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: hoop skirts or petticoats that evening to allow for more room. 156 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Thomas Tanner, the leader of the troop, died just seventeen 157 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: days after opening. The troop was effectively disbanded by the 158 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: end of January eighteen sixty nine. For a few years, 159 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the county rented some of the upstairs room for record storage. However, 160 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: as the new town of San Diego was built up 161 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: and became the hub, the records were removed during a 162 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: raid in March of eighteen seventy one. After that abrupt departure, 163 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Thomas made more renovations. He joined the Granary to the house, 164 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: changed the front facade of the home, and altered some 165 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: windows and doors. The Panic of eighteen seventy three, another 166 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: economic crisis that triggered a depression in Europe and North America, 167 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: certainly unsettled Thomas, who was still awaiting the fortune he 168 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: imagined was waiting for him in California. It was at 169 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: this time he reached out to his mother for financial aid. 170 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Between eighteen seventy three and eighteen seventy five, Thomas left 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: his family in San Diego and returned to New York, 172 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: supposedly to settle his father's estate. His father had died 173 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty two. The will was supposed to have 174 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: been settled when the youngest of Thomas's siblings reached twenty 175 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: years of age. That had come and gone, so Thomas 176 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: went to New York to force his mother's hand in 177 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: the matter. You received five thousand dollars over a hundred 178 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars by today's standards, and put that towards his debts. 179 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: After that time, Thomas returned to San Diego but wasn't 180 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: able to find work. The Whaley family was dependent on 181 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: their firstborn son, Francis. All of this took a toll 182 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: on the family. Idleness, poverty, and despair affected Whaley's disposition. 183 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: His wife and children complained of abuse. His son George's 184 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: passion for violin and to shape a career as a musician. 185 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: For the brunt of Thomas's frustrations, George left home, donned 186 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: his mother's maiden name, and tried to find a niche 187 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: for himself. Anna, Amelia, and her younger sister Violet married 188 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: their bows in a double ceremony at the family home 189 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: on January. Anna married her first cousin, Chaunty Whaley, and 190 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: Violet married a man named George T. Bertelacchi. Violet and 191 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: George's marriage proved unbearable. Two weeks into Violet's marriage, as 192 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: the couple was traveling back east on their honeymoon, she 193 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: awoke one morning to find her husband gone. Bertolacci, as 194 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: it turned out, was a con artist, and, as Violet 195 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: and her family later learned, had only married her for 196 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: the substantial dowry he believed he would collect upon marriage. 197 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: The humiliation and shame were profound as Violet bore the 198 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: moral burden of her husband's choices. The couple divorced in 199 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, but violet suffering continued long after that. 200 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: On Juve, Violet tried to drown herself in the family's cistern. 201 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: It was this event that prompted a physician to keep 202 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: an eye on her. After a period of great depression, 203 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: monitored by this physician, Violet died by suicide on the 204 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: morning of August eighteenth, eighty five. She shot herself in 205 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: the heart with her father Smith and weston thirty two 206 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: caliber pistol. He found her injured in the outhouse and 207 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: brought her into the home. Violet died shortly afterward in 208 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: the parlor. Thomas said, I don't think she lived longer 209 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: than ten or fifteen minutes. She never spoke a word, 210 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: never groaned. Violet had left a note as Stanza from 211 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: the poem Bridge of Size by Thomas Hood, mad from 212 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: life's history, swift to death's mystery, glad to be hurled anywhere, anywhere, 213 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: out of this world. When asked by the corner why 214 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: Violet had threatened to take her life, Lilian explained, I 215 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: don't know why. I think she was tired of life, 216 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: tired of living here, thought no one cared for her, 217 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: and that her life was a burden. The coroner also 218 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: asked if there had been any kind of fight or 219 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: disagreement the night before, but Lilian painted a clear picture 220 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: of the family's efforts and concerns. No, No one had 221 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: words with her that night. Been a long time since 222 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: we had any words or bad feelings with her. Did 223 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: all we could to make it pleasant for her, or 224 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: far from saying or doing anything unkind. Furthermore, Thomas added 225 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: that Violet had shown no particular life or interest for 226 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: some time. She was naturally of a lively nature and 227 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: loved music very much, played the piano and guitar, and 228 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: seemed to take more interest in such things. Lately we 229 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: thought she was getting better. This dark chapter catalyzed Thomas 230 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: to build the family a modest escape in the new 231 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: Downtown on State Street in November of eighteen eighty five. 232 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Thomas maintained a real estate business until his retirement in 233 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty eight, a decision spurred by his failing health. 234 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: He died two years later, on December fourteenth, eighteen ninety, 235 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: in the family's downtown home. Meanwhile, the original Whaley House 236 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: was neglected. Francis Whaley, eldest son and Sureley saddled with 237 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: much family responsibility, resolved to restore the home. His mother Anna, 238 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: sister Lillian, and brother George all lived in the home together. 239 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Francis utilized the family home as a residence and tourist attraction, 240 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: where posted signs outside promoted its historical nature, and then 241 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: he would entertain visitors with his guitar. Daughter Anna Amelia, 242 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: died in Modesto, California, on December eighteenth, nineteen o five. Anna, 243 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the Whaley matriarch, died in the home on February nineteen thirteen. 244 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: Eldest son Francis, died in the home on November nineteenth, 245 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, and violinist George Whaley died January fifth, nineteen. 246 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: He was residing in the home at the time, but 247 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: we can't find any record that he died in the home. 248 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: Lillian maintained her place in the home until her own 249 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: death in nineteen fifty three at a nearby nursing home. 250 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: At that point, she had been the sole caretaker for 251 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: nearly half a century, so it had fallen into a 252 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: terrible state of disrepair, but even in ruin it was beautiful. 253 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: Supporters of the home raised money to restore the home 254 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: and preserve the story it tells of early San Diego 255 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: life generally and the Whaley family specifically. It was registered 256 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: as a Historic landmark in nineteen thirty two and was 257 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: dedicated as a Historic House Museum in nineteen six d. Clearly, 258 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: paranormal claims within the Whaley House have run rampant over 259 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: the years. It is easily one of the most notable 260 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: haunted homes on the West Coast. Workers and visitors claimed 261 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: to hear strange, unexplained sounds, sites, and even smells. Many 262 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: feel a powerful presence whenever inside the residence. Another common 263 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: report is loud footsteps stopping on the floor. Reports also 264 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: point to the sound of a child crying and giggling. 265 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: A young woman, many believed to be Violet, has been 266 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: reported on numerous occasions on the second floor of the house. 267 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Cold spots are frequent throughout the mansion, also believed to 268 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: be Violet's doing. The stairwells within the residents have been 269 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: mentioned by many to be the wandering area for Thomas, 270 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Anna and other spirits. Thomas is often seen sporting his 271 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: trademark top hat and coat while looking down from the 272 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: top of the stairs. Some people have detected the scent 273 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: of French perfume permeating the home, a favorite of Anna's 274 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: that she often wore. On top of all this, physical 275 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: objects are often manipulated on their own, such as the 276 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: music rooms chandelier, which will swing back and forth at 277 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: will when no wind is present. Lights will turn off 278 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: and on without explanation. So up next, we're going to 279 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: talk with Judy Maha Davon. She is a former tour 280 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: guide and docent from the Whaley House, and she's going 281 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: to fill us in on what you can expect if 282 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: you plan a visit there. Also, I haven't mentioned this, 283 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: but this is one of the few places we've covered 284 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: on Haunted Road that I've never been. So you and 285 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: I are in this together, and I'm very excited to 286 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: hear what Shooty has to share with us. So I 287 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: am sitting here with Judy Maha Davon, who is a 288 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: former tour guide and docent from the Whaley House, and 289 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: she's had a lot of experiences. She spent a lot 290 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: of time there. She's got a lot of thoughts and 291 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: theories on what's happening at the house. She was referred 292 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: to me by a number of people who told me 293 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: she was the person to talk to about the Whaley House. 294 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: So welcome to the program. Thank you, Thank you so 295 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: much for having me. Like so many of the guests 296 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: that we have, we had a number of technical issues 297 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: trying to get Chudy on the show, and I feel 298 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: like this is just like the byproduct of trying to 299 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: do a haunted podcast. Um, so, can you just kind 300 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: of let us know, like, what is it that you 301 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: did with the house and how long did you spend there? Yeah? 302 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: So I was there for about a year. I was 303 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: a docent there and I gave tours to guests and 304 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: that was just kind of cut short because of COVID, 305 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that's a huge bummer. I mean, 306 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: and now it sounds like they've reopened, but you've already 307 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: taken a job working on another haunted location, the USS Midway. 308 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: It seems like no where I work, it's always just fun. 309 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: I have that problem too. I don't know, it's really strange. 310 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: I mean, in a year, it sounds like you gathered 311 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot of experiences at the house itself. What attracted 312 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: you to working there? Did you go there knowing that 313 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: it was haunted or was there any other reason why 314 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: you ended up there? Actually yeah. So the first time 315 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: that actually went there, I was in fifth grade, and 316 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: I remember I was like so scared, because you know, 317 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, you know, you hear like the 318 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: houses were going to a haunted house, Wally House, and 319 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, but I just fell in 320 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: love with it. Have you always lived in San Diego then, yeah, 321 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: born race, So you basically have had that house in 322 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: your backyard this whole time pretty much? Yea, and so, 323 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: and that was your bulldog in the background, right, that's 324 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: not a ghost here him just a little bit. But 325 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted to verify. Every time there's a strange 326 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: noise while doing this podcast, I get a million comments 327 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook and people want to know what 328 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: it was. So just for clarification, do you hear strange 329 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: growling and the background and shooties and it's her adorable dog. 330 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: But we also did have spirits in the house that 331 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: had We had little four legged ones too, so not 332 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: only humans, we had pets. So I heard that about 333 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: the house. So let's skip ahead to that. Because I'm curious. 334 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: People ask me about animal ghosts all the time, and 335 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: so I had heard that there was at least a 336 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: ghost of one dog in the house. What kind of 337 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: experiences were people having with that? So people would come 338 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: in the house, especially children, you know, like now more 339 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: animals are more open to seeing things. They So I've 340 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: had kids come in the house and they're like, oh, 341 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: there's a doggie. There's a little doggie, And I was like, oh, 342 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: what color is it? Because we have three animals that 343 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: people have been seeing. Um, there's Dolly. She was a 344 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: little white fox terrier. She's probably the most like people 345 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: have gotten pictures of her. She likes to hang out 346 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: underneath the dining room. Team, so we have people come in, 347 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: always tell them, you know, make sure it take pictures 348 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: underneath the dinner table because you might see. So we 349 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: have a little white fox terrier. Um, there's a little pug. 350 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: People of her like respiratory like breathing, like like your 351 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: dog is doing right now. Yeah, and his name Chubby. 352 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: It's a little pug. And then there's also a little 353 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: black cat named Winks. Oh okay, And now all of 354 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: these animals. Are these animals that you guys have documented 355 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: actually spent time there over the years, or are these 356 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: names that you've given these ghosts They were actually named 357 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: by the whalies. Okay, so these are actual animals that 358 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: the Whales had in the house. Yes, going through the 359 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: history of the Whaley House, it's very tragic, like they're 360 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: just a number of tragedies and just kind of back 361 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: and forth that went on with that family and Thomas 362 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: Whaley in particular. Do you think that's why the house 363 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: is so haunted. I believe so. I believe it's one 364 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: of the most haunted places in America because even before 365 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: the house was built, like he built it himself. That 366 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: is actually where the gallows stood, right, And so I 367 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: know that he supposedly even witnessed a man being hanged 368 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: there before he even bought the property, So he knew 369 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: about its history and even thought the house was haunted 370 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: after he built it. Yeah. So even the family themselves, 371 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: the Whalies, even said the house was haunted. They experienced 372 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: footsteps which we still here to this day. Even their 373 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: daughter Violet, who committed suicide in the backyard, they could 374 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: feel her presence in the house. A lot of people 375 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: feel sadness, depression, anxiety, right, Yeah, I mean her death 376 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: was especially tragic because you know, the family really they 377 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: knew that she was contemplating suicide at that point, and 378 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: they had tried to stop her, and it sounds like 379 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: she really really went out of her way to kind 380 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: hide it from them and see it through. And I 381 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: can't imagine just how they felt at that point. Yeah, 382 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: that poor feeling. They went through so many tragedies, like 383 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: they lost Thomas Jr. When he was only eighteen months 384 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: from scarlet fever. He passed with his mom's arms, and 385 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: then Violet. It's just so I think it just has 386 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: to maybe like the residual energy. And yeah, I mean 387 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: I think so for sure. I mean I just when 388 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: you go through everything they went through, it just makes 389 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: perfect sense how that house could become haunted. Now, let's 390 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: talk about experiences people have had their Like, what was 391 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: your first experience in the home. So my first experience 392 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: this was probably my second week there, and I was 393 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: upstairs the San Diego's first commercial stairs. It's probably one 394 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: of my favorite rooms. I was sitting in the chair 395 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: and I was giving a little tour to a group 396 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: of people and my chair really just started like shaking, 397 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: like someone was right behind me, just like shaking it. 398 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get up. I just sat there 399 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: and I was like okay, and the curator who was 400 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: in the same room, and he's like, welcome to the 401 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Whale House. First experience. I'm just more sensitive than others. 402 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: Everybody that has worked there, they have had experiences. Sometimes 403 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: they're just nervous, right, that makes sense. So you said 404 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: the curator at that point was like, welcome to the 405 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Whaley House. And so, I mean, I feel like so 406 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: many employees there must have had experiences over the years, 407 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: maybe even unwittingly. Have you heard of anyone like quitting 408 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: their job because of what happened to them there? Oh? Yeah, 409 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: especially volunteers too, especially the nonbelievers. There's one volunteer he's like, 410 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe any of this crap, blah blah blah 411 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: bla blah, Like okay, you know, everybody has their own beliefs. 412 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: And then he saw something super crazy. I didn't see it. 413 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't see it. I don't want to 414 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: see it, and I never want to see what He 415 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: explained to me, like he just looked freaked out, and 416 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: I was like, what happened? Are you okay? He's like no, 417 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: How's like tell you what happened? So in the courtroom, 418 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: that's probably my least favorite room. I'll tell you my 419 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: experience in there, because I disavoid that room. Well, he 420 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: saw it was at night, and he said, it looks 421 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: like a small, small child and it just looked like 422 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: I had like a broken leg and it was like 423 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: something sliding across the floor. And then he never came back. 424 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be so tragic to see something 425 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: like that. That's one of the weirdest things about the 426 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Whale House to me is all these strange incarnations of 427 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: what it was. It was a general story, it was 428 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: a courthouse, it was a theater upstairs. Like it just 429 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: seemed like Thomas Whaley was always trying to find a 430 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: way to use the house to make an income. And 431 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: so what happened to you in the courthouse exactly? So 432 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: this is probably one of the strangest experiences I've ever had. 433 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: So I went into the courtroom on the left hand side. 434 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: I probably just walked in there just at the wrong time. 435 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: There's I just felt this energy just literally go right 436 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: through me and I almost passed out, like lightheaded, dizzy. 437 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: I got a little nauseous, and I was like, I 438 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: gotta stick outside for a minute. I gotta get some 439 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: fresh air. Yeah. So so do you think like when 440 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: that kind of thing happens, do you think that you're 441 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: having like almost like a panicked reaction to this energy 442 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: that you're feeling, or do you think that this whatever 443 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: it is is actually like physically making you ill. I 444 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's trying to make me ill. 445 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: I think they know that I'm not scared of them, 446 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: I think. Because this might sound crazy, well just some 447 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: people that I'm sure you understand, Like when I go 448 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: into the house, I would say good morning to them, 449 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: like I had. This sounds weird, but I kind of 450 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: had like a little relationship with the spirits there because 451 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: I would communicate with them, like talk to them out loud. 452 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: But I don't know if it made me ill or 453 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: if it was trying to get my attention, or it 454 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: just and just went right through me right exactly. I mean, 455 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like a lot of the experiences that people 456 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: have there are I mean, obviously people have a lot 457 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: of like kind of benign type experiences where they see 458 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: something or they hear something, but there are these kind 459 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: of more powerful, almost physical experiences that people have. In 460 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: my experience, when that happens, it's usually someone who's really 461 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: trying to get a person's attention or really trying to 462 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: get some sort of message across. Do you feel like 463 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: these spirits at the house are unsettled in any way, 464 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: or that there's something that they need accomplished still in 465 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: their world? I think so, especially one of the men 466 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: that was executed there, or I mean, we don't know 467 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: how many hangings happened on that property, and there could 468 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: have been a lot more deaths on the property that 469 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: we don't know that weren't documented or written down in 470 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: their diaries, right right, I think I covered at least 471 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: five or six in the history, but it does sound 472 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: like there could have been more. For sure. There is 473 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: one that was brought up. I don't know if you 474 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: have any other information on this, but there was supposedly 475 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: a little girl who potentially had passed away on the property. 476 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: It was like an accident, but I wasn't able to 477 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: verify that, so someone made up that story. They said 478 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: that she died in the backyard from like a clothes 479 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: line and none that just spread like wildfire. Okay, that's 480 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: what I thought, and that's what we found as well. 481 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, I always want to ask because maybe some 482 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: new information came to light since we researched this. I 483 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: feel like you don't need to start rumors about the 484 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: way the house. I feel like there's plenty of tragedy 485 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: to go around. You don't need to make up anymore. Yeah, 486 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: there's enough going on in that house exactly. Okay, So, now, 487 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: what kind of experience is like if you're just a 488 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: visitor and you're going to the Wayley House to visit, 489 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: what kind of experiences do you think people could expect 490 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to have. So a lot of people they would come 491 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: to me, they're like, I feel super sad, I feel depressed. 492 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: I've had people just break down and cry. Right upstairs 493 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: is extremely heavy for me. And I believe Violet was 494 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: on suicide Watch upstairs right and their sun pass away 495 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: upstairs as well. So I mean, that's just like a 496 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: daytime moment, like you can just walk through and you 497 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: can feel it. Now, you talked about what happened to 498 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: you in the courthouse. What other experiences of note have 499 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: you had or other people had that you think are 500 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: extra powerful. This is an experience I haven't really shared 501 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: with a lot of people because it did startle me 502 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I was giving a tour downstairs. 503 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: We were standing right between the study in the parlor, 504 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: right where the archway is. We're approximately where the gallows did. 505 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: Thomas really felt that we don't know why. Only he 506 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: could tell us why. So I was standing there talking 507 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: and I guess said, you have a red it looks 508 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: like rope fibers around your neck, like you have scratch 509 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: around the neck. And I was like what. And then 510 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: I looked in the mirror and it looked like rope 511 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: fibers around my neck and I was like, oh my god. 512 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: And then I had step outside for a minute after 513 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: giving that little tour. My boss was like, oh my gosh, like, 514 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: we haven't seen that such a long time. It doesn't 515 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: happen a lot. Oh, so this is something that has 516 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: happened to people before, and unbeknownst to you, I'm assuming 517 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: at that time until your old boss let you know. Yes, 518 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: and people are like, oh my god, why are you 519 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: still working here? And I was like, I think they're 520 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: just trying to get my attention. I'm like, okay, you 521 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: have my attention. How many people were like how can 522 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: you possibly work there? Oh? Tons of people ask me 523 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: like why do you work here? Why do you like it? 524 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: It's just like I'm like, I guess I'm just weird, 525 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: Like I just like not weird. But um, I don't know. 526 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that there are plenty of people 527 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: who work there who don't really care about the ghost aspect. 528 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: They're just there for historic purposes. But you know, I 529 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: think there are some people that it just takes. It 530 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: takes a special kind of person who's almost there for 531 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: the ghosts, but in kind of like a compassionate way 532 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: or just kind of a you know, you want to 533 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: make sure that their story is being told or they're 534 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: being treated respectfully. Like I start feeling almost protective of 535 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: ghosts in particularly historic places. And like you said, you 536 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: go in and you say good morning, and you say 537 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: hello to them and things, and like do you think 538 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of just part of your personality. I think so, Yeah. 539 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: And I just have like this unique on with the 540 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: house and the spirits there, even like on their anniversaries 541 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: like Wenny anniversary or their birthday, Uh, bring like flowers 542 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: or cupcakes or something, just to just something for them, 543 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: and then for the coworkers as well. Yeah, I mean, 544 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's important to kind of keep recognizing 545 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: those moments to them, and you know, it lets them 546 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: know that you care. And I think it also kind 547 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: of forms like almost a friendship or a bond with 548 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: them and full disclosure for people listening, like this is 549 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: one of the rare episodes of Haunted Road where I've 550 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: not investigated the Whale House. I have been to San 551 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: Diego many times, and the one time I was like, 552 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to go toward the Whale House, I showed 553 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: up and they were doing some sort of renovation and 554 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: I was unable to go inside. So I was able 555 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: to see it, but I wasn't able to visit. And 556 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: It's on my bucket list, And so I'm kind of 557 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: living vicariously through you and your experience is right now 558 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: because it is just it's an unusual situation, especially because I, 559 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, lived in California almost my entire life. How 560 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: did I not ever set foot in that house? So 561 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: I feel like it's destiny that I'm supposed to go 562 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: there at a certain point, you know, like there's gonna 563 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: be like the perfect reason for me to go there. 564 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll go there with Kindred or something. But I 565 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: do feel like just reading through the history and everything 566 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: that has gone on there that there has to be 567 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: some sort of unresolved issues happening. And I'm just so curious. 568 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: Have you gotten any signs or is anybody investigated and 569 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: got any e v p s or anything to kind 570 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: of clue you in on what they might want or need. 571 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: We have gotten e v P s. I feel like 572 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: there's so many there's so many spirits in that house 573 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: other than the whales. Yeah, I mean it sounds like 574 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the executions that took place there might 575 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: have a lot to do with it too. Yeah. I 576 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: was upstairs. I almost got pushed down the steps. I 577 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: felt hand on my back, so I don't know if 578 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: that was one of the gentlemen that was executed there, 579 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: and he was just like and then I literally said 580 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: out loud, that's not okay, do not push me. That's 581 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: definitely not okay. Yeah, I'm like, no, I don't want 582 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: to go down the stairs. You don't want to become 583 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: a spirit at the way the house. So, I mean, 584 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: kind of along those lines, do you feel like any 585 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: of the activity there is dangerous? Um, it's a possibility. 586 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are like, that's scary that 587 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: you almost got pushed down the steps, you got repe 588 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: fiber on your neck, and you still worked there, Like, yes, yes, 589 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: I do. I just love that house. Yeah yeah, I 590 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: mean that does sound kind of aggressive, I mean, and 591 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: um a little bit. Yeah. And you know, obviously we 592 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: were talking before we started recording about like Dave Trader's 593 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: experience there when they were filming Holser files, and you know, 594 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: he literally got like pushed or shoved, and so it 595 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: just makes you wondering. And again, it's around that area 596 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: where the gallows supposedly stood. And I find it interesting too. 597 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: You know that Thomas Whalley literally watched, you know, someone 598 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: be hanged on that property and then went ahead and 599 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: just decided to build a house there anyway. I mean, 600 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people would, but you know, 601 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: he knew full well. The house actually kind of fell 602 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: into disrepair a few times before it was you know, 603 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: it kept being kind of resurrected and brought back to life. 604 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: Why do you think people have this fascination with the 605 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Whaley family, Like, why do you think that this is 606 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: such an important historical site? I think because it's it 607 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: was the first brick mansion built in San Diego at 608 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: that time. People are just fascinated by the history of 609 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: the family and paranormal phenomena that happens there. And people 610 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: wanna see the house, come in here, their stories here 611 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: about their lives, and they really want to experience and 612 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: see things. Yeah. Yeah, it usually happens when you least 613 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: expected to. Yeah. Do you guys have like regular paranormal 614 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: investigations or ghost tours or is it just open for 615 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: daytime tours. It's usually open for daytime tours, okay, And 616 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: so people don't really investigate that much there, do they? 617 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: Or not that much? No? Okay. Now, is there anything 618 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: in particular that raises the activity level that you've you've noticed? 619 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: Is there anything people do or anything that happens that 620 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: causes activity to spike? M hm. So if you like 621 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: provoke them, or let's say people come to the house 622 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: and they're rowdy or being a little disrespectful the walies, 623 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: they will set the fire alarms off and then yeah, 624 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: and then everybody's escorted out. So the way it's like, Okay, 625 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: you're being disrespected on our house, you know, Okay, time 626 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: to go, time to leave. I love that they figured 627 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: that out there, Like, oh, if we do this thing, 628 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: this will make everyone leave immediately. That is wild. I'm 629 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: actually surprised more ghosts haven't caught onto that, right, And 630 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't call them. I want that want 631 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: someone coming in my house being disrespectful? Well, no, of course, 632 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: And like you know, I always wonder, like what is 633 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: the by product that ultimately when you go into a 634 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: home and you just keep talking about the bad things 635 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: that happened over and over again. I always try to 636 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: stress that in some of these historic locations to myself 637 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: that I have to tell myself, like, don't define this 638 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: place by the bad things that happened. That's not fair 639 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: to the people who were here before that. Yes, bad 640 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: things happened, but there are also probably plenty of very 641 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: very good things too, you know, holidays and gatherings and 642 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: weddings and births and like all these wonderful things. And 643 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: we try to talk about that when we investigate, too, 644 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and it gets a lot of responses, and so I wonder, 645 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you have these locations where people come 646 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: in and they just keep talking about the bad stuff 647 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: that happened, and I could see them getting kind of 648 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: riled up by that. Oh yeah, yeah, They'll be like, 649 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: come on, go shure yourself or you know. I'm like, oh, 650 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm very protective of that house and 651 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you need turn it down a little notch. 652 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: They're not going to be happy. Yeah. Yeah, And I 653 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: think that's one of the things we really strive for. 654 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure you understand where you kind of have to 655 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: remind people that goes we're people too in theory, and 656 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: they're not, you know, here to perform for you and 657 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: do tricks like you know that there's probably a very 658 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: real reason that they're still here and you could find 659 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: yourself in their shoes one day, So maybe be a 660 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: little more respectful, you know. So now I know that 661 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: you're you're not at the Whale House any longer. But 662 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: if people do want to visit, what do they need 663 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: to do. It's back open for tours now, right, Yes, 664 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: So old Town Trolley Tours has the house now they're 665 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: running it. Yeah. Oh great, So they just need to 666 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: go to Old Town Trolley Tours and connect with them 667 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: and they can take a tour of the house, I believe, so, yes, yeah, okay, perfect, 668 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, people will can find you on 669 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: the USS Midway. Okay. So it sounds like I'll need 670 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 1: to do an episode on the Midway and we'll talk 671 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: about that. Now that's a place I have visited and 672 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: it is really cool. So yeah, good choices, good choices 673 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: you're making so well, you know what, Shooty, thank you 674 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: so much for relaying your experiences. I appreciate it. I 675 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: find the Whaley House to be super fascinating. I think 676 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: a big part of that is because I have not 677 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: really been able to go in there yet, and so 678 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm so curious. You're lucky to be able to do 679 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: what you did for so long, and it makes me 680 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: happy that you're still really you know, speaking up for 681 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: the house. Oh yeah, that house. It'll always have a 682 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: special place to me, like in my heart. So I'll 683 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: probably be back there one day. Oh great, Well, thank 684 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: you so much, Thank you so much for having me. 685 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: The Whaley House is now officially calling to me. All 686 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: this history, lore and reports of paranormal activity has my 687 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: interest intensely paked. Having spent most of my life in California, 688 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: it's wild to me that I never investigated at the 689 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: Whaley House. But maybe fate had other plans. Maybe I 690 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: just wasn't ready. So please, if you do happen to visit, 691 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: reach out to me on social media and let me 692 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: know how it went. If you get a whiff of 693 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: French perfume or see a fleeting vision of Violet, I 694 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised one bit. I'm Amy Bruney and this 695 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of I 696 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. The 697 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: podcast is written and hosted by Amy Bruney. Executive producers 698 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: include Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. The show 699 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: is produced by rima Ill Kali and Trevor Young. 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