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Speaker 1: The World's a Pigeon podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. But

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Speaker 1: they were back at it today. They're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: around noon, but they changed it yesterday to a morning practice.

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Speaker 1: I would do at least one drill a day for

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's three seconds where you have to get rid

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Speaker 1: One drill a day, one drill a day.

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Speaker 3: Get it out drill.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so here's the thing they haven't really executed.

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Speaker 1: Thursday here at Jillette Stadium, day eight of practices, and

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Speaker 1: it's Paul, it's myself will be joining us, Evan will

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Speaker 1: be joining us. And I would say the practices of

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Speaker 1: late Paul have been offensive, and I mean that in

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Speaker 3: The best thing for me is, you know, we went

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Speaker 3: recent years, but back to back days in pads get

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Speaker 3: I think the pass protection has been an issue kind

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Speaker 3: with the offensive line, but I would totally agree offensively,

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Speaker 3: they've had more signs of life, especially yesterday. But I

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Speaker 3: working on some situational football, moving the ball down the

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Speaker 3: maybe he's taken your advice, Freddy. Not always, but more often,

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Speaker 3: the ball seems to be coming out on time.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be coming out on time. I saw

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Speaker 3: That was that was different. That was designed for completions, right.

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Speaker 1: But it looked good. I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: It was definitely a faster pace than what they did yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And he looked good and he he felt good. And

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Speaker 1: you could tell from Max's body language. He was, you know,

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Speaker 3: Today it was clearly we're tackling today, Like there was

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Speaker 5: It's just it's a back and forth now, it's not

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Speaker 5: When they get into eleven on eleven, the defense makes plays,

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Speaker 1: The only right Andrew that's it everything, the only.

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Speaker 3: Out of what was seeing every day. He's the only

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Speaker 1: Now, when Strange comes back, yeah he'll, you know, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's tough because I have preconceived concerns, you know,

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Speaker 1: But it's not good for continuity's sake to have no out.

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Speaker 5: I think that that's been a concern since they brought

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Speaker 5: I feel like Reef has been better that they've put

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the best way to put it

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Speaker 1: That's like well corner cut corners.

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Speaker 3: only there was no contact. Look like he kind of

435
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 3: slipped and lost his footing as.

436
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Speaker 5: The ball came yeah along the sideline.

437
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: I think it was a play from like the eighteen

438
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 3: they got it down like at the two. Nice another

439
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: nice connection from Mac. Yeah, a beautiful throat to Kendrick

440
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: Bourne just outside the pylon.

441
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: And he's also on a few plays recognized things early

442
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: like screens and he's flashed in the black.

443
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: That's where he made that play and the tackle for loss.

444
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he was like a yeah, he was like

445
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 3: a missile on that point.

446
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

447
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 5: I have no concerns about him and man coverage because

448
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 5: he's just so darn smooth that once they figure out

449
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 5: the anticipation and some of the different things that they're

450
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 5: going to coach him up on that his movement skills

451
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 5: are just off the charts, so he's going to be

452
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 5: able to cover people in man. But he did have

453
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 5: some issues in college and zone with getting high loaded,

454
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 5: losing guys in zone like things like that, and almost

455
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 5: like covering grass instead of actually covering somebody in particular.

456
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 5: And that's something that a lot of the draft knicks

457
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 5: said was a little bit of a knock in terms

458
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 5: of the film. So I think that's some of the things.

459
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Speaker 5: Like with the Kendrick Bourne play, he's got somebody in

460
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 5: the flat, then he's got the corner route filling in

461
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 5: over the top and he kind of gets stuck in between.

462
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 5: And that's something that I think they'll figure out over

463
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 5: the course of time with the distribution. But is that's

464
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 5: one of the things that from a football perspective, you know,

465
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 5: hear all about this stuff about like his attitude and

466
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 5: his demeanor and things like that. I think all that

467
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 5: is was way way overblown. But from a football perspective,

468
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 5: he was definitely better in man coverage than in zone

469
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: coverage in college.

470
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Speaker 1: A little bit of a situation today with Jack Jones

471
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Speaker 1: on a play where I don't know if he was

472
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: trash talking Kendrick Bourne.

473
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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what happened. It looked like he

474
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: dove and prevented a catch to Bourne near the sideline,

475
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 3: and then they got up and there was a lot

476
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: of people in between. It looked like he may have

477
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: been celebrating the play and maybe he got a little

478
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: over zealous, maybe he got in Bourne's face or something,

479
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: and it looked like he was sent off the field.

480
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: And now I didn't physically see Bill Belichick go over

481
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 3: and tell him to leave, But my guess is that's

482
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: what happened, because I don't think anybody else would have

483
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: the juice to send a player off, and then he

484
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: left for about twenty twenty five minutes, came back and

485
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: as he left, Pepper's sort of walked him almost all

486
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: the way to the top of the stairs, arm around him,

487
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: clearly trying to do some mentoring. And when he came back,

488
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: he was on a knee by himself, separated from the

489
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: whole team. Matt grow came over and talked to him

490
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: for a little while. Jalen Mills came over and spent

491
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: some time with him, but he didn't do anything with

492
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: the team the rest of the way until practice was

493
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: over and they were cooling down.

494
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Speaker 1: When he came back, he was still in pads and everything.

495
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I thought I didn't see exactly how it escalated,

496
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 5: but I hate to speculate because we don't know. You know,

497
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 5: some people were speculating that maybe he was kicked out

498
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: of practice. I don't know exactly what happened, but he

499
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 5: came late to practice.

500
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: Oh, but he's just so you know, he came around

501
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: the same time he comes every day. Now, maybe that's

502
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: been an issue. Yeah, he's one of the last ones

503
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: out every day, so he's.

504
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 5: A little late to practice. And then about whatever that

505
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 5: was halfway through wherever that was. All of a sudden,

506
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 5: we see him walking off the field like he got

507
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: kicked out.

508
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: It was about ten twenty that he that he left

509
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: and he came back at about ten forty five.

510
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Well, he has to go through security, so it takes

511
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: him longer.

512
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's not what we're looking for. That's not

513
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: what we're looking for from the boss. All right, okay,

514
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 3: all right, and you don't need to encourage you soon

515
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: too soon?

516
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Yes, O, can you make those jokes? Yeah, but really,

517
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: to me, the story's mac. He's looking better both on

518
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: the field and just body language. Spend some time talking

519
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: with Bill today, So all you people that you know

520
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: they're not talking, they were talking today and it would look,

521
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, in a positive way. So you know, put

522
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: away your pens and and you know, for a couple

523
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: of days you can't say that they're not getting along.

524
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: They are, So that that's good, that's good news those conversations. No,

525
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: but you could you know what Bill is like.

526
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 5: He also walked it up the stairs with Bill O'Brien

527
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 5: and I love that. I don't know, I'm a sucker

528
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: for that kind of stuff.

529
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: I've seen him with Bill O'Brian a lot.

530
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 5: Because when he you know, just remembering like McDaniel's his

531
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 5: rookie season, McDaniels just attached to the attached to the hip.

532
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 5: They would walk into practice together, and they're not when

533
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 5: they're chatting, they're not chatting about like you know, where

534
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 5: they went out to dinner last night. They're talking ball.

535
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 5: Like there you can tell that they're talking about something

536
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: that they were probably just talking about in you know,

537
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 5: a pre practice meeting or something like that, and and

538
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 5: now they're continuing the conversation. So I think, you know, look,

539
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: I was critical of Mac on Tuesday because, unlike some

540
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 5: of my colleagues, I have a pretty high standard for

541
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: the quarterback. Yeah, shots fired, I have a pretty I

542
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 5: have a pretty high standard for the quarterback. I'm not

543
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 5: gonna baby him like, I'm not gonna go out there

544
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 5: and you make a couple of dinks and dunks and

545
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: oh a great practice, Like, I'm not going to do that.

546
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: The last couple of days, he's pushing the ball down

547
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 5: the field more. Yesterday was one of his best practices

548
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: I've seen him have since probably maybe ever honestly in

549
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 5: training camp.

550
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: And it just looks.

551
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 5: You can tell that a lot of the players are

552
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: hitting the way that they're drawn up on the whiteboard,

553
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 5: like exactly how they look in the playbook, the timing,

554
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 5: the receivers, you know, all of it coming together, and

555
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 5: that's really what's been encouraging. And I think Juju kind

556
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 5: of laid it out really well yesterday when he said

557
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: that they've been installing this entire time, and this week

558
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: they started repeating plays and now what you're seeing is

559
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 5: not they're mastering the plays that they've already installed. And

560
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 5: I think that's a really encouraging thing as well. So

561
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 5: a couple of good downfield throws today wasn't as good

562
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 5: as yesterday. A couple guys, you know, interception and one

563
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 5: pass break up.

564
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: He's been accurate on the sideline passes too, and those

565
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: are tougher passes than they look, because if you're throwing

566
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: from the middle of the hash, if the ball is

567
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: only like six yards downfield, it's twenty five yards across

568
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: the field. Uh, you know, so it's a long pass.

569
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Takes a while to get there. So you know he

570
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: throws them.

571
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you have to be at one's coming.

572
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: You couldn't have me just be Johnny Sunshine.

573
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: You have to be out the hold with those and

574
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: you know, only put it in a place where your

575
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: receiver has a chance. And I think he's been good

576
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: on that.

577
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: You know better, I think. And to me, I don't

578
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 5: know if it's necessarily that the the arm strength has improved.

579
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: I think the anticipation has improved, and that comes from

580
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 5: being in an offense that makes sense and an offense

581
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 5: that that's that's good.

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: It's just that like they did, they threw a ton

583
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: of outs today, all three quarterbacks. There was one toward

584
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: the end. You know, they did that staggered red zone stuff.

585
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: They started high red zone worked their way. It's like

586
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: eighteen thirteen eight you know whatever. That's a dry trace. Well, no,

587
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 3: it's a situation. It's a it's a scripted situation. They

588
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: put the ball.

589
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: At a yard line, right, it's a drive, Yeah, go ahead.

590
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: No, it's not a dry because if the play is incomplete,

591
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: it goes to the four yard line. The next place, well,

592
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: a drive would be we have to complete a pass

593
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: to get it to the four. So I just want

594
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: to make sure that the listeners understand what actually happened,

595
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: not what you call it. Anyway, Trace mcsulely threw one

596
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: to Rally Webb on and out. He threw it like

597
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: a good two seconds before Web got out of the

598
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: break perfect. It was like, how can they do it

599
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: like that? But they just but they have to do

600
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: they just can't repeat it. No, But I mean like

601
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: he clearly has the ability to do it. But if

602
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: you've watched mcsulely throw camp, I keep calling him nuklear loose.

603
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: He's going to hit the bull every other throw. And

604
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: that throw looked like like Brady would have been jealous

605
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: of it. The timing in the placement of that pass.

606
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: And again it's Trace mcsolely to Rally Webb on play

607
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: like one hundred and six today. I don't want to

608
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: make too much of it.

609
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: Trace McSorley has got some arm talent, like I throw

610
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: it with special I didn't know that about him because

611
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 5: I always you know, the the the script on Trace

612
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 5: mcswil is not very positive, right, you know his time

613
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: at Penn State, like all of it is not.

614
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: It was almost a runner exclusively at Penn State.

615
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is not a very positive scouting report. But

616
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: he's made I don't want to say this because I

617
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 5: think people. I'm gonna say it anyways, but like his

618
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: his arm might be the best out of three guys.

619
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: Like he can really put some some steam on the ball.

620
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: But it's just like Paul said it, you don't know

621
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 5: where it's going.

622
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of running quarterbacks, the name we have not heard,

623
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: or at least I haven't in a while is Malie Cunningham.

624
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it totally disappeared. Yeah, I think even I don't

625
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: think he's had a single catch that's been notable in

626
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: team drills. And I think he's exactly what we thought

627
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: he was, which is he'll be a scout team quarterback

628
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: and mimic Lamar Jackson or whatever running new Jalen Hurts,

629
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: I guess I should say.

630
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about Christian Gonzalez, who was the first

631
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: round pick. Evan you today, what do you think of

632
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: Keon White? Why don't you tell me? Yeah?

633
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: I look, I still feel that he's a downhill linear player.

634
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: He's not a finesse guy. He's not gonna He's not

635
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: josh U j Right, he's not coming off the ball.

636
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: He's not putting together six seven different pass rush moves

637
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: to get around guys. But his bull rush speed to power,

638
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: ability to dent the pocket is legit. He can move

639
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 5: the pocket. He's been a handful for the backup offensive

640
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: line and team drills. I like to see him get

641
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: elevated and play a little bit more with the first

642
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: team defense. But he's he's got a legitimate upper body power,

643
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 5: speed to power type of rush to him that it's

644
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: gonna collapse the pocket in the interior.

645
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Do you think he has any future against the run

646
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: early downs?

647
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: He does pretty well in those those edge setting drills.

648
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit too far upfield for their liking,

649
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: but he's able to hold his ground and do that

650
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 5: sort of thing. I still think that he's best with

651
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 5: his hand in the dirt. I think when he stands

652
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: up he's a little bit he's a little bit too

653
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: big for that. He's two hundred and eighty five pounds.

654
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 5: I just don't love him doing that. But in terms

655
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 5: of put your hand in the dirt and come downhill

656
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage, I think he's gonna be

657
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: effective player. And my guess is is that as it

658
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 5: comes along here a little bit, they'll start using him

659
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: as a penetrator on stunts and line games. You know,

660
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: to go in and really get that first initial push

661
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: so that a guy can come and wrap inside, you know,

662
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: a Jude on Anucha. Well we'll be the rap player

663
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 5: and he'll be able to dent the pocket and make

664
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: that pocket a space for those guys to come around

665
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: and set that pick. So he's got he's got all

666
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 5: the physical tools to be that that powerful rusher. I

667
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 5: just I still don't really see like a great block defeater.

668
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: Like I don't see a guy that's dancing around blocks

669
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: or getting off box consistently. But he can push the pocket.

670
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: He's big, Like that's the best thing I could say

671
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: about him right now. He's big. I don't I haven't

672
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: seen it, you know who. Actually, maybe it's just because

673
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: of the fifty ones. Ronnie Perkins has flashed a little bit.

674
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: I've heard his name in past rushing. I think he

675
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: had another you know quote quotes Sack today.

676
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 5: Went right around Andrew Stuber, see right around him.

677
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: He knows exactly the playoffs.

678
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: He's got a little bit of of that dip around,

679
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: you know, that speed and dip around the edge that

680
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 5: he'd like to see or bend. But when people, when

681
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: tackles get hands on him, he's gotten no power to

682
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 5: his game whatsoever, and he gets washed down. I think

683
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: it was reef throw him in one on ones. Just

684
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: if you don't beat me off the line, if you're

685
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: that first step doesn't doesn't get me concerned, then if

686
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 5: I can get hands on, it's it's over with with Ronnie.

687
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

688
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: And I you know, in terms of just uh, some

689
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: of the intangibles, I think the team plays better when

690
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: they play more heavy metal music.

691
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? If you notice that, do you

692
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: do you chart that?

693
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think that's the music they played best to,

694
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: at least the offense. Okay, So I just just want

695
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: to throw.

696
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: That into a little housekeeping note, housekeeping, housekeeping. The Patriots

697
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 5: are practicing on Sunday.

698
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've they've added that practice back. So it looks like,

699
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, with with that being with that adding to it,

700
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: it's a possibility that Tuesday's practice next week will be

701
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: the last public practice.

702
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: I tweeted that and then I deleted it because I

703
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: wasn't short.

704
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Well I'm not either, but I'm just thinking that could

705
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: it looks like that will be the last practice.

706
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: But so maybe we should talk about this more off air.

707
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: But on Thursday, they have the preseason game. Then Friday

708
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 5: Saturday will be off because they always have two days

709
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 5: off after a game, So technically Sunday should be a practice.

710
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: Here.

711
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: It is now no next like a week Sunday. Yeah, yeah,

712
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: but it probably I don't think it's going to be open,

713
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: but I don't know.

714
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: So it's going to be open to us spit close

715
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: to the public, right, which no offense to the public

716
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: is the best kind of practice, because that's when they

717
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: actually really start to do some of the stuff that

718
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: right they won't show.

719
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 6: Right.

720
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: I'm thoroughly confused, but someone will let me know where

721
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: what I have to do. At some point we'll talk

722
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: about it.

723
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I think there should be an announcement

724
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: pretty soon about or maybe they've already announced it that

725
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: Sunday is now a public practice.

726
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: So Sunday, Monday, Tuesday of this coming week you think

727
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: will be the last That Tuesday could be the last practice.

728
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: It's just an educated guess.

729
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so you haven't necessarily heard anything. Yeah, that would

730
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that would make some sense. And

731
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: I do think that it'll be interesting to see if

732
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: they continue with camp rules and have the media be

733
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: able to stay and watch the whole practice or go

734
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: to sort of their end season, and they just have

735
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: They've done both that. They have done a couple of

736
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: practices here and there. They have allowed the media to

737
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: continue to go to even when the public because no longer.

738
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, look, they can they always circumvent

739
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: the rules, no offense to the when it comes to us.

740
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 5: I'm not saying, but I think technically that is a

741
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 5: training camp practice that they have to have open to

742
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: the media.

743
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: So when does training camp officially end.

744
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: It's a certain number of practices. I don't know it

745
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 5: off the top of my head, but they have to.

746
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 5: It's once they get to a certain number of practices

747
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 5: is when they can start closing. I think them down.

748
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: I think Evan's right, and I think it's somewhere in

749
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: the neighborhood of fifteen. But I do not know that.

750
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 5: That's a that's an Andrew Callahan question.

751
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: Is okay, So.

752
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing. I feel like we

753
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: just started. But I mean we have eight practices done already.

754
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: I know it's it's flying, but.

755
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: You know we're going to have the you know, ability

756
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: to watch those joint practices. So for in terms of

757
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the media.

758
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: There's also count as training camp practices.

759
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, so that's that's you know, that's

760
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: really that's good that those are important eight.

761
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: And tomorrow's nine, you know, and then you can do Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,

762
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: that's twelve, and then you have four more.

763
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: That's sixteen.

764
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: My guess is that's got to be around that's it

765
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: around the limit, you know, Like I don't again, I

766
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: think somewhere around fifteen.

767
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: I know.

768
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: Joint practices are supposed to be open, you know, to

769
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: the media, not necessarily the public, but to the media.

770
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: But they're not exempted. They're not, like I don't think so, Yeah, I.

771
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: Don't think they're they're exempted. But yeah, I we'll find

772
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: out soon enough. Oh that's a killer. Yeah, I don't

773
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: know if I will be here.

774
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: Okay, what else? What else has kind of jumped out?

775
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm trying not to. I'm not I'm

776
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 5: trying not to ride the roller coaster too much of.

777
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: Like Tuesday to Wednesday.

778
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 5: Just like one day I have this reaction the next thing, right,

779
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 5: you know, but we all say what you saw. That's

780
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: the one thing I'll say is just like at what point, Like,

781
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 5: it's great that the offense is clicking the last couple

782
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 5: of days, Like you have to also say that the

783
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: defense to start to give up some plays. And I

784
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: think the back and forth is great.

785
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: What did I say to you earlier?

786
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, But the one area in particular that I've noticed

787
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 5: that's and I think you said Paul that if a

788
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 5: live pass rush is happening, then this looks a lot different.

789
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 5: Right with Ma's getting hit while he's making some of

790
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 5: these throws, then who knows if they're actually is you know,

791
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 5: if he's going eighteen for twenty four in a camp practice.

792
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: They've had some issues covering the flats in past coverage

793
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 5: where that if Mac wants to throw a check down

794
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: or throw a quick flat route to one of the

795
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: tight ends or something like that, that's been there for

796
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 5: three straight days. And I don't know if it's the

797
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 5: type of you know, without being able to go back

798
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: and watch the film of the practice, if it's the

799
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: type of coverage that they're playing or what have you.

800
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 5: But there's been a couple of times where I've scratched

801
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: my head and been like, do they even have a

802
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 5: flat defender? Like who's supposed to have the flat.

803
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that has anything to do with

804
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: the offensive scheme.

805
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 5: That it's possible, you know, they're skiing that open. Yeah,

806
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 5: I mean certainly, certain in certain circumstances. Absolutely, And I

807
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 5: think that that's Look, if you're going to give up something,

808
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 5: you're going to give up the five yard check down

809
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: in the flat. You're not going to give up the

810
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: fifteen yard completion down the field. But I think that

811
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 5: if you look at the way they've been playing it,

812
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: that that's teams are going to take that that's a problem.

813
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: It's been a play that they've had trouble with. I

814
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: agree with Evan, and it's been all three groups. Mic

815
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: surely had a little swing out today to JJ Taylor

816
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: to Taylor as soon as he threw it, he put

817
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: his hands in the air like you do. Like that

818
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: has worked. I don't know if it's something that there's

819
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: a communication issue with the defense on those and they're

820
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: just not recognizing. But you they're very similar patterns to

821
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: the plays. I'm not telling you they're all the same play,

822
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: but they have definitely struggled with them. And some of

823
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: the stuff with Juju I think down low, you know,

824
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: has been an issue with almost like a little tunnel

825
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: screen today. Yeah, ye completely looked like it got them

826
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: off guard. Yeah.

827
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 5: I think some of that communication and this comes back

828
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: to Bill O'Brien and something that he's I think really

829
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 5: brought is those little goal line routes. They run a

830
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: bunch of different things out of those two receiver sides,

831
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: and yesterday hit Juju and there was definitely some sort

832
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: of breakdown in the back end on that touchdown at

833
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: the end of practice and then Juju walked right in

834
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: on like a little tunnel screen or pick play there today.

835
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: And on the one hand, you want to say, well,

836
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: that's Bill O'Brien, right, he's drawing these things up, and

837
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 5: that's that's a good thing. But I think there has

838
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: been a little.

839
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: Those up too. Yeah, you know, just looking ahead and

840
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: being concerned.

841
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's maybe a little bit of i'd

842
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: just say miscommunication, certainly, especially with that Juju one yesterday.

843
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: Both Jalen Mills and John Jones looked at each other

844
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: after the play with the Poms like, what.

845
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: Well, don't you feel like this could be good for

846
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: them jumping? Don't you think it's good for the defense

847
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: to see.

848
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: Some of that stuff. I mean last year offense one

849
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: on one, you know, and there's no motion and there's

850
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: no pre Those defensive guys have specifically talked about how

851
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: much the offense is dialed up for them, you know,

852
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: in terms of motion and misdirection and all kinds of

853
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: combination routes, and how good they think that is for them,

854
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, And we've kind of turned it like the

855
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: way the defense was playing early, like they can mix

856
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: and match so much in the secondary that they have

857
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: the safeties up they have in the back. Seems like

858
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: everybody's had a chance to be center field, everybody's had

859
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: a chance to be up around the line. So that's

860
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: good for the offense too. The point that I made

861
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: to Fred Evan was, you know, the first part of camp,

862
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: it was every day it was like, well the defense

863
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: is playing well, but you know, the offense look bad,

864
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: like bad days of practice. Then the offense is a

865
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: couple of days of success and it's like great practice today.

866
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Well the defense doesn't play all that right, but it's okay.

867
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 3: And as Fred said, because we're more worried about the offense.

868
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 5: So yeah, you definitely trust the defense is going to

869
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 5: be good more than the offense and the trust the

870
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: system and all that stuff. And I'd also say today

871
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: it was more of a back and forth. I mean,

872
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar picked off Mac.

873
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Today was a good day for I thought, a good practice.

874
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

875
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, John Jones broke up a pass that was one

876
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: of those that I still think Mac is working on of.

877
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 5: He thinks the zone is flooded, but it ain't flooded.

878
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Let's let's the only thing the only thing missing on

879
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: that throw was a slight move to one side and

880
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: making that throw the other side. He does not see

881
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: that guy. Yeah, it's the guy coming from the like

882
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: he's if he's underneath, if he's got a guy trailing

883
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: from left to right, he does not see the defensive

884
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: back underneath going right.

885
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: To left right.

886
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: Talking the Dougger interception, Yeah.

887
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 5: So the Dugger interception was just robber coverage, just man

888
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 5: coverage with the spin with the robber. And then Adrian

889
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 5: Phillips got zappy on the same exact coverage later on

890
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 5: in practice. So both those guys lost Robert defenders today.

891
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: But with the one with John Jones there, it's just

892
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 5: a flood concept. So they're running the vertical through and

893
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 5: then the corner route and then the flat and they're

894
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: trying to flood the sideline, and for some reason he

895
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 5: Mac there's the same play that he threw in sevens

896
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 5: that that Marcus Jones almost picked off as it passed

897
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: for Juju that underneath flat defender is gonna he's gonna

898
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 5: split the difference, right, He's gonna like kind of hang

899
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: out in the middle and but also lean a little

900
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: bit more towards the corner to try to encourage the

901
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: flat And for some reason Mac, it flashes open for

902
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: a second, but it closes really quickly, and he just

903
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 5: doesn't have I don't know if it's the timing or

904
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: if it's arm strength to fit it in there before

905
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 5: the defender closes. So those are those ones that still

906
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: look a little bit a little bit shaky.

907
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had high hopes for Mike Oseeki. Should I

908
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: start tempering that.

909
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. I mean, I I don't know.

910
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 4: I mean, we've noticed Sokole has been, you know, getting

911
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: more snaps and you know whatever. And I were talking

912
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: about up top, was it seems like they probably like

913
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: him as a blocker a litle bit more. So, maybe

914
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: you're going to see some early down too tight end

915
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: with with Socole in the mix, I think he's one

916
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: of the one of the wild cards. I've just disappointed

917
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: that Kasicki hasn't shown up more in the red zone

918
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: because he was pretty productive during OTAs and you haven't

919
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: really seen much of anything of him, and some of

920
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: the other guys have had slow starts, but have come

921
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 4: on a little bit here as we've you know, gotten

922
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: on Kendrick Bourne, not necessarily with the ones he caught

923
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of balls.

924
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Today, Talod Hunter, Henry's looking Hunter.

925
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: Henry's been their their their best player in camp, and

926
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: he looks like he's in great shape. So I'm a

927
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: little bit concerned, especially with how Gazicki kind of dropped

928
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: off last year. It seemed like in the spring that

929
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: had such high hopes for those two guys, but I

930
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: think we all kind of realized that neither one of

931
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: them is a prototypical blocker type.

932
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: Both of them are probably ideally suited as all you know.

933
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 5: But so that's why his playing time is going to

934
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 5: be I think a little bit less than I initially thought,

935
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: because it kind of reminds me of Kendrick Bourne. Like

936
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: we get all these questions all the time. I know

937
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne had a lot of stuff going on, locker room,

938
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: you know type stuff last year that that played a

939
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: part in it. But since they got Kendrick Bourne, he's

940
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 5: been a passing down receiver. I think he's played eight

941
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: run snaps his entire Patriots career. In two years, he's

942
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: played eight snaps where they run the football, and a

943
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 5: couple of those have been him running the football on

944
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: jet sweeps. Yeah, so he doesn't point, he doesn't play

945
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 5: in the run game, and I think is Sicky's gonna

946
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 5: be the exact same thing where it's gonna be two minute,

947
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: third down red zone and it's gonna be probably forty

948
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: percent ish of the snaps and people are gonna be like,

949
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 5: where is Mike Asiki? But he might flash and show

950
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: up in some situational type of things.

951
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: I just feel like that with Bourne, it's like he's

952
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: always been the fourth receiver. So it's like you're not

953
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: usually running when you got your fourth receiver, Like you're

954
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: in a situation where you might you probably have a

955
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: bunch of receivers on the field to try to you know,

956
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 4: he's never been the one or two guy, and.

957
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: But Devan's point, would he be more than that if

958
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: he could be? No, but like he might have the

959
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: receiving ability to be a two. But because he can't

960
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: be out there to do all the things that Evan's

961
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: talking about, he has to be the four. But what

962
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: can he do? Like, what are you look I receiver?

963
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: You don't think he's a good receiver. Well, I'm saying,

964
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: why can't he play in the run game? I clearly

965
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: you have to do everything for that.

966
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: Clearly he can't block because they I only have eight

967
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: snaps to go off of, So I can't tell you

968
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: if he actually can block or not. But they whatever

969
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 5: they see and practice out of him, clearly they don't

970
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 5: like his his blocking. And now they have, you know,

971
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: just to go with the receivers. They have Parker and

972
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: they have Juju who that they clearly trust on on

973
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 5: first and second one and right, those guys are gonna

974
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 5: play all three downs, and so Boring again is going

975
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 5: to be a best the third receiver, which when you're

976
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: an eleven personnel most of the time that's a passing situation.

977
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 5: And that's how we get here. And then we get

978
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: the question six months from now of why has don't

979
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 5: they play Kendrick Borne Moore? And I think the sicky

980
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 5: as the second tight end is going to be similar

981
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 5: where it's gonna probably be a lot of Hunter Henry

982
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 5: as it should, and then Kasiki's really only going to

983
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 5: be a passing down player. I don't think we're about

984
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 5: to go see twenty eleven Reducks where both of those

985
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 5: guys are playing on all three downs. It just doesn't

986
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: seem that way.

987
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: I think the question will be how many snaps the

988
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: Kasiki and Bourne play together this year?

989
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: Might it might be zero? Yeah? All right, I think

990
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: that would be disappointing to a lot of people. I

991
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: understand what point is, Yeah, I.

992
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: Do too, But I just I mean, I don't know

993
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: why we still talk about Kendrick Bourne all that much.

994
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, he's you know, he's a fourth receiver.

995
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: We're about and Henry playing together.

996
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you're putting into Taekwan at three.

997
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: Tomo Douglas work around.

998
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: You're saying Bourne is the fourth who's the third receiver

999
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: on this team?

1000
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 5: Tomoro Douglas? Really, I think so?

1001
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I would put porn ahead.

1002
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: I think I think boring right now is ahead. And

1003
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 5: in terms of just experience. But if you're trying to

1004
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 5: put together the most complimentary group of receivers, that's fair.

1005
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: I feel like all three of those Parker, Juju and

1006
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 5: Bourne on the field together is like just they're like

1007
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 5: the Spider Man meme. Like they're all they're just looking

1008
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: at each other the same like they all run the

1009
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 5: same way. They they don't.

1010
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: I think we made a little news here, though. Paul

1011
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Peril says that the Mario Douglas is the third best

1012
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: receiver in this team.

1013
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: That I didn't say it was the third best receiver

1014
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 5: on the team. I think he's the best guy.

1015
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: For the role, right, Yeah, and again Evan Lazarre said that,

1016
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: just just to repeat, take my name out of your mouth.

1017
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: Correct, he's the best slot receiver on the team.

1018
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I think we think that, or I think that Edelman's

1019
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: here because they asked him to take a look at

1020
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: this Pop Douglas guy and tell us what you think.

1021
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: So I have what I responded with this, Bill Beltick

1022
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 3: strike you as the type of guy that would ask

1023
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: a former player what he thought of an evaluation.

1024
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: Edelmand was still out there when I was out there

1025
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: shooting the video. He was holding court taking pictures that.

1026
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Little media.

1027
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: But I think if anything, he came here to to

1028
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: say hello to to all his old friends that are here.

1029
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if he's asking him to evaluate

1030
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 5: Pop Douglas, but if he's asking him to mentor Pop

1031
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: Douglas watch some film with Pop Douglas, like, I'm all

1032
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 5: for that. And I would also call Deon Branch and

1033
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 5: see if he'll come back and talk to Pop Douglas. Also,

1034
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: because if you're talking about stylistically, I think that he

1035
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 5: reminds me a little bit more of Deon Branch than

1036
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 5: Julian Edelman.

1037
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 4: He's just so involved, and I mean, I you know,

1038
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 4: I hesitate to pump him as like, oh, this is it.

1039
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: He's on the team, he's got a roll on offense.

1040
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: But I just I don't think you can ignore how

1041
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: much he's in motion, how much they're kind of you know,

1042
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: playing with him on the inside, and they don't really

1043
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: do that with anybody else. And certainly when they do

1044
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: the guys that they send on the fly sweeps and

1045
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: jets and stuff, like, they're not fast, you know, so

1046
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: it just it stands out when they do that stuff

1047
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: with him, because it's like here comes this little water

1048
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 4: bug running across the field.

1049
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree that he like the slot stuff. I

1050
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: don't think they have anybody like that, old school kind

1051
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: of shifty slot guy. He's the only one really that

1052
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: fits that mold.

1053
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just know how Bill O'Brien loves to highlight quickness,

1054
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: and especially out of the slot obviously, And like Paul

1055
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: just said, who else is really gonna be that jitterbug

1056
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 5: on the inside that can do that? And they're gonna

1057
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 5: they'll go empty and they'll clear it out for him,

1058
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: and he's just gonna be one on one with a

1059
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 5: linebacker or safety and he's You have to be able

1060
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 5: to exploit.

1061
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: That, you know, because no matter what defense you're playing,

1062
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: not every one of their defenders is going to be fast.

1063
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: So you have to be able to exploit when you

1064
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: get that matchup. And you know it, Parker's not gonna

1065
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: do that.

1066
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: See, but you is not. But that's but that's the

1067
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: drawback of it. So if you're right, then make sure,

1068
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: if you're a defender, you put one of the fast

1069
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: guys on him because the other guys aren't fast. But

1070
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: you don't have to have fast guys on it. Now,

1071
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: I think Bourne is. I think Bourne runs much differently

1072
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: than Smith, Schuster and especially Park.

1073
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: He does.

1074
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: Now there's something going on with and I've always been

1075
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: critical of him because he doesn't always seem to beware

1076
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: in doing what he's supposed to do. I think there's

1077
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: a reason he doesn't play more than he does, beyond

1078
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: like the physical, beyond blocking, Beyond this. I think I've seen,

1079
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: like the last two days he's left excellent at camp. Yeah,

1080
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: but I don't know if they feel like he's a

1081
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: reliable guy that seems to be just from afar. Bill

1082
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 3: Belgick certainly doesn't tell me any of this, but it

1083
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: looks to me like they don't think he's overly reliable.

1084
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: What have you guys thought?

1085
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 4: A Juju Like I have to admit I'm not better

1086
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 4: the last couple of days, but not over the movie.

1087
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: I'm not overly I haven't really been blown away by him.

1088
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: Like I think he's been productive the last couple of days.

1089
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: He's made some catches, but I was hoping that wow

1090
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: a little bit after the catch juice and then this

1091
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: is extremely limited sample size right now, but you know,

1092
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: just generally watching him, I think he's a break tackle

1093
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: after the catch guy, not a you know what I mean, Yeah,

1094
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: which is fine if he does. It's how you gets.

1095
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: You have to catch as long as you get it.

1096
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: Like a lot of the place we talk about when

1097
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: he's on like a little crosser in the red zone

1098
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: and you know, and then he gets contacted like the

1099
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 4: four and you're like, you're hoping that he's going to

1100
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: break those but I don't know.

1101
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: He just he does like big.

1102
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: He is big, but he just he fits that mold

1103
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: like Evan, you know, not I mean, he's different than Parker,

1104
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: but none of those guys on the hoof are are

1105
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: like whoa you know.

1106
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: And again that feels like a little bit with Douglas.

1107
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: Why he pops so much is because he's just got

1108
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: that slippery athleticism that the guys don't really have.

1109
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 5: He moves differently in the rest of I'm not as

1110
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm not as low on juju. I

1111
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 5: guess because.

1112
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: With that, I think the last couple of days I've

1113
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 3: seen some of this. He's not a guy.

1114
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 5: And this is, you know, why we talk so much

1115
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 5: about DeAndre Hopkins and all these others. He's not going

1116
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 5: to get open on his own. He's not like this

1117
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 5: route runner that's just going to go out there and

1118
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 5: and flash in the sense of that that pop Douglas

1119
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 5: has with just like the quick twitch and explosiveness. But

1120
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 5: when you get him into those pockets of space and

1121
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 5: you get him over the middle of the field and

1122
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 5: on those slants and things like that, he's gonna be

1123
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: able to catch it and run and that's what they're

1124
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 5: hoping to to He'll be able to do. So I'm

1125
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 5: waiting to see live tackling, like in game situations. Is

1126
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 5: he is he running away from guys? Is he breaking

1127
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: tackles after the catch? It's kind of hard to evaluate

1128
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 5: that in this type of setting.

1129
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: All Right, eight five five Pats five hundred is the

1130
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: ace ticket hout line, web radio at Patriots dot com

1131
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: is the email address. Let's open the phones up. We'll

1132
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: go to Patty and agawam, what's up Patty, what's up everyone? Hey?

1133
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 7: Good thing that you guys are talking about for him?

1134
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 7: Because I watched a lot of the videos from Patriots

1135
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 7: dot com, but I was I thought it was very

1136
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 7: interesting the dot The Oly interviewed with phill Belichick. He

1137
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 7: asked them what players so far this training camp has

1138
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 7: impressed him and he's you know, just to paraphrase, he's

1139
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 7: like obviously a lot of the second third year guys

1140
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 7: he's like and even some of the guys that have

1141
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 7: been that you know that.

1142
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 6: Have been.

1143
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 7: More veteran guys than He brought up Bentley, he brought

1144
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 7: up uh to Girl Peppers, Hunter Henry, and he brought

1145
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 7: up Kendrick Bourne.

1146
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: And I just is that when he was talking to Poli.

1147
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think this show some point were you

1148
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 7: guys have said, you know, Matt Patricia obviously didn't like him,

1149
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 7: but I think Bill likes him. And I just I

1150
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 7: kind of wanted to get your guys opinion.

1151
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: On on Yeah, I would say that last year that

1152
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: no one likes Kenrick, Like if Bill Belichick wanted to like,

1153
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: if Kendrick Bourne, if Bill Belichick wanted Kendrick Borne to

1154
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: play last year, he would have played. Like I'm tired

1155
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: of blaming the Kennedy assassination on Matt Patricians, Like, I

1156
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: get it, they got he got in the doghouse and

1157
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: maybe he got in Patricia's doghouse and that's how it started.

1158
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: If Bill Belichick, with that offense for seventeen games, thought

1159
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: that Kendrick Bourne was the answer to help fix it.

1160
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: He would have been playing right. And I heard the

1161
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: same stuff Patty. I heard Bourne talk about his relationship

1162
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: with Bill. He he he went to Great Lents and

1163
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: saying he's the kind of guy that I know, even

1164
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: after my career is over, I'm still going to be

1165
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: in contact with Bill Bellich. Like I think there is

1166
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 3: a sort of rapport, great good word, you know, between

1167
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 3: the two. I don't think it's a personal kind of thing. Yeah,

1168
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think there are things

1169
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 3: that Bourne doesn't do on the field, like probably mentally,

1170
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: you know, for Belichick to to say I can rely

1171
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: on this guy as a you know, a ninety plus

1172
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: percent playtime guy. The ship is saled, right, Like I

1173
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: think what it is?

1174
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 4: I think so, you know, we keep trying to talk

1175
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 4: about him as if he's going to have a breakout

1176
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: year here and year whatever it is for him, but had.

1177
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: Nice day forms. I think he's a good complimentary receiver.

1178
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: I think any team would be fine with him as

1179
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: a complimentary piece if you're asking him to be one

1180
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: of your best guys. I don't think he's consistently yeah.

1181
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 5: Like if you I just you can go back to

1182
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 5: twenty one where it's not about Matt Patricia and he's

1183
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 5: still a part time player, still a rotational guy. I

1184
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 5: know he played a lot more down the stretch in

1185
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: twenty one once he got hot, but like, but he

1186
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 5: was still a fifty percent snap guy in twenty one

1187
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 5: and they still didn't play him in the run game

1188
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: with McDaniels either. And I think Paul's points perfect. Like

1189
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: if they still had Gronke and Edelman and he's like

1190
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 5: the third guy, like he's the Chris Hogan of that group,

1191
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 5: then he would be really good at that.

1192
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: But I like him.

1193
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: I mean he's a hard guy not to like.

1194
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: He just doesn't come with a cloak of invisibility, like correct, right, Sometimes.

1195
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't help him just during games. He didn't get that.

1196
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: We just put in a game. Yeah right, Yeah, they

1197
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: did the big catch and run against Tennessee. It's like,

1198
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: look like no one, no one knew where he was

1199
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: when there was like a bubble boy he had it

1200
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: on the first week of training camp.

1201
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: That was where it was Dominique in New York. What's up?

1202
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: Oh no, he isn't.

1203
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: He's off the line.

1204
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Let's go to Delaware. Gabriel's there. Hey Gabriel.

1205
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 7: My questions to y'all would be, when we go to

1206
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 7: that Week one game, who do you guys think is

1207
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 7: going to be the starting O line?

1208
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's a great question.

1209
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: Okay question Andrews and Neil for sure.

1210
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna bring Stephen Neil out of retirement.

1211
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely not Neil. Why Cole Strange, I don't know why

1212
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Stephen Neil?

1213
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 4: Uh?

1214
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: And I think Trent Brown will be out there.

1215
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if everybody's hell, I don't know

1216
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 3: about on one you we haven't seen. Say, it's easy

1217
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: to say who the starting line is going to be.

1218
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: If everybody's healthy, Well, well, I.

1219
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: Think those three will be there. Now. On the other side,

1220
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure right now.

1221
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: I say so confident in in in Cole Strange and

1222
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: Trent Brown.

1223
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: Because they will be I'm telling you, I think those

1224
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: two guys are I think it's gonna I think it's

1225
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: gonna be Mafi right guard. I don't think we're gonna

1226
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: see it. When you I think when you might just

1227
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: be p up and into the season.

1228
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: You see that, I'm not. I'm not. I don't know

1229
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: about them. And when you so that's up for grabs,

1230
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: and right now you'd have to say McDermott Evans is

1231
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: your right tackle.

1232
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: Right yeah, I'm about ready to call it for Connor

1233
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: McDermott at this point, I would probably go Trent left,

1234
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 5: Strange Andrews. I think Big Mike will be fine. Connor McDermot.

1235
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: Now, why do you say you think Micha will be fine?

1236
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: Like ready to go Week one finals?

1237
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: We haven't even seen.

1238
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: I have more confidence in Big Mic than I do

1239
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: Strange and Brown because Strange and Brown are out there

1240
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: not doing anything I know out there. But I know

1241
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: why not? Is my point.

1242
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 5: I think this is a different for whatever reason. I

1243
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily know why, but I think this is

1244
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: a little bit of some you know, we talk a

1245
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 5: lot about Bill evolving with the times and today is

1246
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 5: athlete and that sort of thing, and I think some

1247
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 5: of these things that we're seeing with guys like Judon

1248
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 5: and Trent Brown and it's a little bit of evolving.

1249
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 5: I think that they know that those guys are veteran guys,

1250
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 5: they played a lot of football for this team. They

1251
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 5: have some younger guys at those spots that they probably

1252
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 5: want to take a look at. In training camp. Anyways,

1253
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: I guess you could throw a remandre into this category

1254
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 5: two And do you really need Trent Brown out there?

1255
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1256
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know that we get on Trent Brown for, like,

1257
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, being out, But I think he earned some

1258
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: credits last year for playing under the weather and sick.

1259
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: And remember those games where he wouldn't even come out

1260
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: for warm ups, but he'd come out for the game

1261
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: because he just wasn't right. But he played, and that's

1262
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: more than he did in the past.

1263
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: But it's just a lot with him. There's always something

1264
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: he just like, like I just look at it totally differently,

1265
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: Like you're tying like these roster game roster bonuses to

1266
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: him and he's going out there doing the bare minimum,

1267
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: like because he wanted to get paid. Like I just don't.

1268
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 3: I don't have any faith in the guy. I think

1269
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: he can play when he decides he's engaged and wants

1270
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: to play, so he basically has the ability to play.

1271
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: You think he didn't go out for warm ups last

1272
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: year because he was I.

1273
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: Think he did exactly, just like why did you report

1274
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: early because I was told to? I think that's the

1275
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: epitome of Trent Brown. The exact minimum I have to

1276
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: do to get by. That's what he does. I think

1277
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: if he wanted it, he could be a Pro Bowl

1278
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: caliber player if he wanted. Instead, he made the Pro

1279
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: Bowl once when with the Raiders. He probably was in

1280
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: a contract year. I'd have to look, but he probably

1281
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: had something that he was fighting for with the Raiders.

1282
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you overall on Trent Brown, but

1283
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 5: they have no choice none. He's by far their best

1284
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 5: tackle and it's not even close. So whether he's bought in,

1285
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 5: whether he's been spending too much time at the buffet table,

1286
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 5: so he needs to condition some more, whatever the case

1287
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 5: may be. Although Belichick said that he came in underweight,

1288
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 5: that he came in lighter than he has the last

1289
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 5: couple of years, so that makes you believe that he's

1290
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 5: in good shape. But regardless, they need him. They have

1291
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 5: no other choice.

1292
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: So the thing with Brown is like you just never

1293
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: like that the reliability. And what worries me the most

1294
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: is someone asked me who do you think has more leverage?

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Speaker 3: Brown or Judon, you know, if they're holding in so

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Speaker 3: to speak, right, And I said Brown, Brown by far,

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Speaker 3: And the reason is, like, we're just sitting around the

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Speaker 3: know what all ten right? And Andy Hart says I'd

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Speaker 3: cut him, like if if Bill Belichick and I and

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Speaker 3: Andy said Brown?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Andy, Andy said, you know, I still believe in the

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Speaker 3: Belichick mantra that he has always said, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes the more talented guy isn't what's best for the team,

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Speaker 3: and in this case that that might be. You might

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Speaker 3: be better off with a lesser player doing what you

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Speaker 3: want him to do and what you need him to do,

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Speaker 3: even though physically he's not as good. And you can

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Speaker 3: make an argument for that. But when he said I

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Speaker 3: would cut Trent Brown, Phil Perry from NBC Sports Boston's

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Speaker 3: head turned around so fast and like his whole face

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Speaker 3: was like white, Like what are you talking about? You

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Speaker 3: can't do that, And both of them are right, you

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Speaker 3: can't cut him because what are you gonna do? And

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Speaker 3: I get it. It's like, you know, you want to

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Speaker 3: be that high school coach you treats them all the same.

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Speaker 3: You know it doesn't work like that. You can't afford it.

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Speaker 3: Like Evan's been telling you every day about Conor McDermott

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Speaker 3: and Riley Reef at the tackles, I would shudder to

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Speaker 3: think what would happen if if that was the situation

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Speaker 3: for seventeen games. I don't think they can afford it.

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Speaker 3: And that's when he's the most dangerous, when you need

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Speaker 3: them the most, when you need him the most, and

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Speaker 3: when he has the level and yeah, when he has

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Speaker 3: the leverage, he you know, I just would worry about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's always fair point with him, right.

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Speaker 5: I think we need a car to come in here

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Speaker 5: and light a fire under him or something.

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Speaker 3: Saying that into like the next century guy. He just

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Speaker 3: can't retire.

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Speaker 5: I've come around on some of the I think the

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Speaker 5: receivers last couple of days have made me feel a

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Speaker 5: little bit better about their their supporting cast and that

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Speaker 5: respect hisuse. Guys are starting to get open and they

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Speaker 5: are starting to make some plays down the field. The

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Speaker 5: way that they treated the tackle position this offseason is

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Speaker 5: is just practice.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just hope that that isn't what derails the

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Speaker 3: whole thing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's my concern.

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Speaker 4: You like everything that they're doing, you know, with all

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Speaker 4: the window dressing, the motion, all the stuff that Bill

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 4: O'Brien's put in. You love it, but we all know

1345
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 4: that if your offensive line stinks. It's gonna blow it

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: up right in your face. It's not even gonna matter

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Speaker 4: how good of coordinator you have. If Matt has one

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Speaker 4: and a half seconds, he's on his back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they just they had the free agent tackles.

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Speaker 5: This was a good free agent tackle class. There was

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Speaker 5: multiple guys that that got good contracts and can play

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Speaker 5: start starting tackles, that can play in the league. And

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Speaker 5: we were talking about this up top deuce, like, how

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 5: much better would you feel if the only question mark

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01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 5: really was Trent Brown's want to and and and buy

1356
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Speaker 5: in Because the other spot, Mike Baglinchy is here and

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Speaker 5: is You're not worried about.

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Speaker 3: That at all. Made the comment to Matt Smith about

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta guy McGary McGarry, mc gary. You know the

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Speaker 3: other day when we were talking about it, this did okay.

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Speaker 3: You didn't want to take one of the tackles. Maybe

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Speaker 3: you didn't love the tackles in the draft. You had

1363
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Speaker 3: an opportunity. Instead of five million, you spend ten million

1364
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Speaker 3: or something. You know, you spend five million on Riley Reef.

1365
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Speaker 3: Spend ten million, you know, maybe you know whatever, a

1366
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: little bit more to get one of those guys that

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Speaker 3: I think would have been more of a short thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Is Tyren Smith still with Dallas or is a

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Speaker 1: free agent?

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Speaker 5: No, he's still with Dallas.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, although Michael Parsons threw him about a mile

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Speaker 4: on Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The guy to keep an eye on, veteran wise is

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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati Williams. Yeah, they have a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a you know, they have some depth on the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: and I think they're looking to turn it over a

1377
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Speaker 3: little bit and he seems to be unhappy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he hasn't played very well last couple of years.

1379
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 5: The injuries have really piled up on him. But he

1380
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: was one of the better players in his draft coming out,

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Speaker 5: and I think somebody that at this point I would

1382
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 5: say that Jonah Williams is worth a trade.

1383
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Speaker 1: Fire Dominique from New York is back on the line.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Dominique?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Ken.

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Speaker 8: Awesome, very thank you for testing on it earlier. Thinking

1388
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 8: up the defense, I know we've been talking about the

1389
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 8: offense a lot, but looking at some of the rookies

1390
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Speaker 8: and how they played, Kem White was one guy that

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Speaker 8: I wanted to ask about. I didn't hear much about,

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 8: but I think forget who touched upon it earlier, so

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01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 8: I mean you shared thoughts on that. But but going

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 8: back to sort of be the top performers. Thinking about

1395
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Speaker 8: Christian Gonzales, it's interesting because you know, I think it

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01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 8: was earlier mentioned that he was really doing very well initially,

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Speaker 8: especially around you know, Mini Camp Kenny Ram. He's made

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01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 8: some plays and struggled a little bit or at least

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Speaker 8: in the pastor has given a big place. I mean,

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Speaker 8: one thing that I love is with Bill O'Brien in

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 8: the complexity of his offense or the motions that he's

1402
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 8: going to be able to throw, hopefully helped the young

1403
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 8: guy like him learn to kind of read things a

1404
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 8: little bit ahead of time, understand what you know, defenses

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01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 8: might do. Hopefully gives him an edge, and you know,

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Speaker 8: we get a sort of Sauce Gardner type, you know,

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01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 8: rookie season from him. That's my hope. But but beyond that,

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01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 8: I wanted to ask outside of Matt Dudo on this,

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 8: anyone flash as a potential game breaker for you, whether

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Speaker 8: it's strugg or whether it's Gonzales. You know, want that

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Speaker 8: he's been solid through the middle. And lastly, just a

1412
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Speaker 8: note on the offense. Love the fact that I'm hearing

1413
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Speaker 8: about the intensity.

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 8: I know, our identity and disciplined for the most part,

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01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 8: but I kind of want them fire from the team.

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01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 8: You know, we're not going to be great. I think

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01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 8: I can be realistic and admit that they have the

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01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 8: potential to be good, I think, but what takes us

1420
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 8: over the edge? And if you combine that you know,

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 8: disciplined Belichick team with a little bit of intensity, scrappiness,

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 8: more personality, even even you know, as far as that

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01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 8: will go, I would be you know, more interested and

1424
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 8: it will make the team more enjoyable to watch. Also,

1425
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 8: one last question during training camp, do they ever sort

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 8: of do situations with mobile quarterbacks. I don't know if

1427
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 8: that's just the game plan week to week that they

1428
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 8: do with specific.

1429
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: Teams, just knowing that you know they do, but not

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: when we're there.

1431
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they did that a lot more in the spring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and they and they will you know when

1434
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Speaker 1: they certainly week one, they'll have a package ready for

1435
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, hurts, you know, to defend him. But we

1436
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: won't see those practices.

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish that they were doing a little bit,

1438
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 5: but they continue to do that as I did in

1439
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 5: the spring because that regardless of who's that quarterback, that's

1440
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 5: you're gonna face RPO. You're gonna face all that kind

1441
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 5: of stuff every single week. Now, every team has that

1442
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 5: in their in their playbook, and the Patriots have had

1443
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 5: trouble with it, like you're gonna face Hurts in week

1444
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 5: one who can run? And then you're gonna face Miami

1445
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 5: in week two? Or run ourpo up your butt all

1446
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 5: the time. So it's like you got to practice against it.

1447
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 5: I wish they were doing that a little bit more.

1448
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Speaker 1: Thanks Dominique.

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Speaker 3: There were a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: The other question is, you know, other than Gonzalez who

1451
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: we talked about, who was flashed on defense, who could

1452
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: be a real game wrecker for another team.

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Speaker 4: They I don't know about game wrecker. That's that's hard

1454
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 4: to say. I mean, I think Mapu's been around a lot.

1455
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the safeties have all been really involved.

1456
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if they're trying to figure out what's

1457
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 4: best or if they're going to continue just to kind

1458
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 4: of roll through those safeties. I mean, I've been impressed

1459
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Speaker 4: with Gonzales, I just I don't know if he's ever

1460
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Speaker 4: going to be that sauce Gardner presence.

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Speaker 3: That's so physical.

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Speaker 4: But I think even a lot of the catches that

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 4: Gonzalez has given up, he's been right there and has

1464
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 4: been competitive, and you know some guys have come down

1465
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Speaker 4: with some great catches on him too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: If I was the Patriots, if I was Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 5: I would call Kyle Duggart into my office, say call

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Speaker 5: your agent, and I would put a contract on the

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Speaker 5: table for Kyle Duggar right now, because he's gonna have

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Speaker 5: a huge year.

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Speaker 1: that came in yesterday. So he's talking mostly about Tuesday's show,

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Speaker 1: and I hope things are better for him now. But

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Speaker 1: this is Mike and Nova Scotia. He says, I love

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Speaker 1: the show listen for years. I've got great respect for

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Speaker 1: the PU crew. I have a couple of bones to

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Speaker 1: pick with the recent coverage of training camp. While Fred

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Speaker 1: with the three Amigos Mike, Paul, and Evan, they weren't

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Speaker 1: of hand and yesterday went too far. After standing on

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Speaker 1: his soapbox for weeks about getting d Hop, he was

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Speaker 1: so down on the team yesterday that he said it

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Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't sure if it would make it. Difference

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Speaker 1: of d Hop was here. I'm not sure what he

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Speaker 1: the third system in three years with one padded practice. Evan,

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: I love your passion and often agree with your opinions,

1510
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: but you would do well to remember one of Fred's

1511
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: favorite sayings, we don't know what they know. I would

1512
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: point to the draft where both you and dus who

1513
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: put considerable effort into your boards, and yet when Mapu

1514
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 1: was picked, you and Deuce were at a bit of

1515
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: a loss as to the particulars of the player, the

1516
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: same player who, by most indications, has turned heads at camp. Paul,

1517
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: I love the snark which has been missing somewhat lately,

1518
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: and at the risk of being on the receiving end

1519
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: of it, Come on, man, talking about the reps of

1520
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: the third string quarterback a week into camp and how

1521
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: it was odd compared to the Brady years. It's like

1522
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: you want a QB controversy. Maybe unlike some of the

1523
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: PU panel. The Patriots haven't decided on the roster and

1524
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: actually want to look at the players they have in camp.

1525
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: What a concept. I enjoy the camp coverage, but yesterday

1526
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: it means Tuesday I found myself wishing Eric was back,

1527
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: and that's not a compliment. I don't expect coverage that

1528
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: just paints a rosy picture. But I don't expect all

1529
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: doom and gloom either. While we all have our opinions

1530
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: on the draft, that shouldn't cloud our judgment of the

1531
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: players here on the draft, I agree with Paul and

1532
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: others that it takes a few years to see what

1533
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: you really have. The last couple of drafts appear to

1534
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: have been pretty good. In this year's class certainly has

1535
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: potential with your top draft picks play meaningful When when

1536
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: your top draft picks play meaningful snaps in their rookie year,

1537
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: I think it bodes well for the future. Cold strange included,

1538
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: when we get to joint practices in preseason games, we

1539
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: will have a better idea of where things stand. Until then,

1540
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: Can we dial back on the negativity until it's at

1541
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: least warranted?

1542
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: Well, there you go, I thought, I ag read that

1543
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 3: good thorough email. I'm gonna give him what he wants.

1544
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give him a little start, right he asked

1545
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: me for He said he was disappointed that I haven't

1546
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: given much snark at the risk of being on the

1547
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: receiving end. I'm going to put him on the receiving

1548
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 3: end of it. So when the rookies weren't playing from

1549
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: day one and they were winning titles, that was a

1550
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: bad thing. But now that rookies are stepping in right now,

1551
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: that bodes well. Okay, that's snark, that's snark. I would

1552
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: just say, like I said, I thought it was a

1553
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: very good email. I thought he was very fair and balanced.

1554
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: Obviously he is a passionate fan. He looks at things

1555
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more optimistically than most others who have

1556
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: been watching. But I would just say keep your advice.

1557
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: You know, you should heed your own advice. You're making

1558
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 3: sure that Evan Mike, in myself, you know, we're cognizant

1559
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 3: of the fact that we don't know what they know

1560
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 3: when we're criticizing. But it's okay, I guess to praise

1561
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 3: when we don't know what they know. What was that right,

1562
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 3: Cause he's like he's all over you know, like mop

1563
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 3: who he was.

1564
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: Really he was mad at you, very negative.

1565
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 3: He was mad at you and Evan. He was looking

1566
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 3: for some snark from me. Really, the most people want

1567
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 3: less snark from apologized for missing an email. Was there

1568
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 3: something so negative? Ever since they didn't signed Hopkins, you've

1569
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: been down in the dumps, gloomy gusts. Not even sure

1570
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: if that would have made any difference. No, it was,

1571
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 3: like I said, it was a very fair and balanced email,

1572
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: even though it was critical of us. I welcome that

1573
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: that kind of feedback. Well, honestly, did you bring me anything?

1574
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 4: Sorry, I brought you some corn bread or some chicken

1575
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 4: thighs for it.

1576
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: That looks like, yeah, okay, that's good. I'll pick on that.

1577
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: I know, I know picked on the elevators here on me.

1578
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I feel more positive about the team last

1579
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 4: couple of days. So I mean, I guess you know

1580
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 4: that that's gotta be worth something to him.

1581
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: My guess is you had a good show today.

1582
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: Terrence from Colt's territory wants to know when we're in

1583
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: Frankfurt this year, if there will be a place for

1584
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 1: fans to congregate there will be so ready to announce

1585
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: that yet, but we'll have a pub that'll be for

1586
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: the fans that week, so definitely a place for Patriots

1587
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: fans to congregate. Plus we'll have some other place too

1588
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: that will be really cool, so it'll it'll be a

1589
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: great week in Frankfurt. He also says, I hope I

1590
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: don't see myself as a I hope I don't, but

1591
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: I see myself as a realist. And not having a

1592
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: legit number one receiver is concerning with his quarterback. I

1593
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: believe Belichick still treats his offense as that Brady's still

1594
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: elevating everyone, even average players. Mac hasn't shown the capability

1595
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: of doing that, so he needed a number one receiving thread.

1596
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: I refuse to be like some of these Patriots fans

1597
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: who act as if nothing's wrong. I hope to see

1598
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: you guys.

1599
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 3: That certainly stands a stock contractail exactly.

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01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it?

1601
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: Nothing's wrong? Email? Though, I mean, I just I don't.

1602
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't believe it. I can't believe somebody

1603
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: has watched the last year. Wait till something happens before

1604
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 3: you get negative.

1605
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, things are happening at training camp, like we

1606
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 4: spent all that time to convince me.

1607
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm sorry. Now I'm getting a little hot.

1608
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm getting a little hot. You can get hot, go ahead.

1609
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: That'd be good for me to be able to write.

1610
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 6: Well.

1611
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 4: I just you know, do you want reasonable announces? Do

1612
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: you want us to talk about what we're seeing that

1613
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 4: we get frustrated? We want them to do well. I

1614
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 4: want to come out here and see them tossing the

1615
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 4: ball around the field like they've kind of been doing

1616
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 4: the last couple of days.

1617
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: We ow, we owe it to the listeners to tell

1618
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: it like we see it. So, I mean, I if

1619
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: Douce thinks things aren't, you know, looking right, he has

1620
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: an obligation to say that. Just like today where things

1621
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: look better for the offense, he's saying that they look better.

1622
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: And so you're going to get this. You're going to

1623
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: get straight schooled. This is a gender free radio. We

1624
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: don't have agendas here, you know.

1625
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 3: No, I mean, and I might.

1626
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I love watching the game, and I

1627
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 4: love watching it well executed and well played. And you know,

1628
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 4: I certainly the last couple of years of average football

1629
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 4: and poor decisions have colored a little bit of what

1630
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 4: I bring into this season. Now, that said, I'm feeling

1631
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 4: pretty optimistic right now. I think that they've got a

1632
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 4: number of players on defense who are working in the

1633
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 4: rookies certainly are working in and showing promise on both

1634
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 4: sides of the ball, and the offense is starting to

1635
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 4: cook a little bit. And I think that that's, you know,

1636
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 4: something that you can't just I still really believe that,

1637
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 4: you know, you can have an offense that plays above

1638
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 4: the sum of their parts. You can't just look at

1639
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: their talent level and say that's what they are, that's

1640
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 4: what they're going to play do. I still think that

1641
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: if they play together and they're all on the same page,

1642
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 4: then it can look pretty good. Last year, they weren't

1643
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 4: all on the same page, and they also weren't very talented,

1644
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 4: so it looked disastrous.

1645
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: I remember Duce has a high bar. He's the one

1646
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: who said he was tired of twelve and fourty.

1647
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 4: I've seen at least thirteen or fourteen wins before I

1648
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 4: get excited.

1649
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim's in the UK on the ACE ticket hot line.

1650
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: What's up, Tim?

1651
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 10: Can you hear me?

1652
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: Yes? Weekend?

1653
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 10: Excellent, long long time, first time, thanks for all the content.

1654
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 10: Absolutely love it here in the UK.

1655
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.

1656
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1657
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 10: So I got a lot on my mind, does, as

1658
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 10: all of Paths Nation does. I've got a take on

1659
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 10: Max that I'd like to share and a question uh

1660
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 10: questioned about it as well.

1661
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Las fire one ready.

1662
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 10: So I obviously want Mac to succeed this year. I

1663
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 10: really hope he is good enough that he retains some

1664
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 10: market value and we can trade him, because I don't

1665
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 10: think Mac Jones is going to win a super Bowl

1666
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 10: in the NFL, either with the Paths or with any

1667
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 10: other team. And I think the sooner we move on,

1668
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 10: the better, and if we can, you know, trade Mac,

1669
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 10: get some draft capital, hopefully you know, hit the draft

1670
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 10: with a you know another take another shot a quarterback,

1671
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 10: and and and move on because I don't see it

1672
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 10: going where we all want it to go with Mac Jones.

1673
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you are you willing to give him

1674
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 3: this year? You think?

1675
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: Are you?

1676
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: Are you ready to move on right now?

1677
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 10: I'll give him this year And just kind of leaves

1678
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 10: onto the question that I had in mind for you.

1679
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 10: How bad does Mac Jones need to be this year

1680
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 10: for you to want to trade him? How good do

1681
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 10: they have to be this year for you to want

1682
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 10: to give him the fifth year extension. Whatever metric you want.

1683
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 10: It can be numbers that, it can be the eyeball test. Yeah,

1684
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 10: how how good or bad do they have to be

1685
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 10: to move the needle one way or the other.

1686
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 4: Well, for bad, I'd say he's got to get pull

1687
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 4: for zappy. I think if he gets pull for zappy,

1688
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 4: then it's kind of over.

1689
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what you know. You read

1690
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 3: like a specific like it's almost a foregone conclusion unless

1691
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 3: it just bottoms out.

1692
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: I agree with your mind. It's just hard.

1693
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know what he's speaking to. It's

1694
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 4: it's almost harder to be in the middle and you know,

1695
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 4: not quite know than it is to be terrible and

1696
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 4: to be like we know, we don't go. But you know,

1697
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 4: from what we've seen from Mac the last couple of days,

1698
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's been playing well and and

1699
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 4: I think he's in a third year situation where based

1700
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 4: on last year, he deserves a full chance. And with

1701
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 4: what they're doing with Bill O'Brien and how he's working

1702
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 4: things in together, how it's starting to come together, how

1703
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 4: you see you know, progression, like it's okay to have

1704
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of optimism about maybe what what Mac

1705
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: has right now and what what he'll be able to

1706
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 4: do within this offense.

1707
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 3: He's gonna I said it so many times, like he's

1708
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 3: up against it.

1709
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 4: He's got I mean, such a tough division, such a

1710
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,879
Speaker 4: tough conference, such a tough schedule.

1711
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 3: It's a high, high.

1712
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: Bar for him. I'm not ready to move on. And

1713
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: but if he doesn't play well, yeah, we're gonna be starting.

1714
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna start thinking about who's the next guy. I

1715
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: don't know about trading him, you know, he says, you know,

1716
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 1: trade for draft capital.

1717
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 3: I mean, if he's at that point, what do you

1718
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: get for him?

1719
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, so you're not gonna get, you know,

1720
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: a haul for Mac Jones. If you trade him, you

1721
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: don't have to extend him right away, only in his

1722
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: third year, so you could you could play him in

1723
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: his fourth year. I just want to know who's the

1724
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: next guy. And I think they're going to be competitive

1725
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: this year, so it's not like they're going to have

1726
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: a top five pick. You know, you're in a tough place.

1727
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: You are in the place where a lot of NFL

1728
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: teams have been. It's it's NFL purgatory. You're not bad

1729
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: enough to get that top pick, and you're not good

1730
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: enough to win a Super Bowl and you don't have

1731
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback, and so you're kind of stuck and

1732
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: you kind of have to hope for luck. And you know,

1733
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe you know, you sign that that bridge quarterback, and

1734
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, for now, you just got to hope that

1735
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: Mac can develop this year. That's that's that's what you

1736
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: have to hope for.

1737
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I was always going to say, in a

1738
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: perfect world, you could have just really bottom it out

1739
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, and you know, they still were able

1740
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 4: to almost have a five hundred season with Cam Newton.

1741
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, you know, like like at the time.

1742
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, we could have had Zach Wilson, we

1743
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 4: could have had Trey Lance, and now it's like, well,

1744
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 4: you weren't getting Trevor Lawrence. I mean, I guess we

1745
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 4: could talk about justin fields how you feel about that situation.

1746
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 4: But you know, even that, it's it's a tough thing, like, oh, hey,

1747
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 4: we got a top five pick. You still want to

1748
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 4: swung and missed even maybe even worse than you did

1749
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 4: with Mac at fifteen. So there's just no easy solution

1750
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 4: it's not like our just cast Mac off will get

1751
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 4: the next guy, Like, there's no assurance that you're gonna

1752
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 4: get somebody that's even as good as Mac is.

1753
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, the Lions made the trade

1754
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: with the Rams, right, Yeah, and they got Jared Goff,

1755
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: and that might be the type of quarterback that you

1756
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: might end up if Mac doesn't work out in order,

1757
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, because you're not gonna get that blue chip

1758
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: quarterback coming out of the draft probably unless you tank.

1759
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: And I don't want to tank. I don't want to

1760
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: do that, you know. And I don't think the team

1761
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: can ever be that bad to do it without tanking,

1762
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: you know. So you're in a tough position.

1763
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: So I think now that's the most Boston comment ever.

1764
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: They could never lose enough games unless they were trying

1765
01:20:59,479 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 3: to lose.

1766
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't think with Belichick as the coach, they could

1767
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: be a two.

1768
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: I would largely agree with you. I just was kind

1769
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: of funny the way you said it.

1770
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: It's not a Bosston not here, it's a Belichick watch. Yeah,

1771
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: it's a Belichick thing. Plus, I don't want to have

1772
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: that team that the culture is losing, you know.

1773
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, I don't think that's the culture is

1774
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: losing if you do that. I don't think those guys

1775
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: are around when you when you rebuild.

1776
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: But but it's you're in a tough spot. You're in

1777
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: a tough spot. So obviously your first hope is is

1778
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: Mac is the guy. And I think we owe it

1779
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: to him to give him this season just to see that.

1780
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to sound like Tim was ready right now,

1781
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: but you asked him and he said, well, yeah, he'll

1782
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: give him this season. But I think, you know, Mac

1783
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: has to play really well for Tim to stick with him.

1784
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 4: I mean the question, I'm sure that that you know

1785
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 4: some fans are probably asking, and I am. It's like,

1786
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 4: what what's worse? Like would you rather go seven and

1787
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 4: ten again, eight and nine again, or would you rather

1788
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 4: just three wins and just bottom out and then you know,

1789
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 4: and then have to redo it? Like if you just

1790
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 4: keep it staying in the middle, you're always it's hard

1791
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 4: to break that cycle unless the run, I know, but

1792
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: like Rookie's got to break out. I mean, the young

1793
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 4: guy's got to break out this year. That's what That's

1794
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 4: how you get out of this cycle of middling teams

1795
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 4: with you know, you have a very good head coach

1796
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 4: who's going to get the team ready to play. And

1797
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 4: now you have a competent offensive system, So I mean

1798
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 4: the pieces are in place. It's really I think just

1799
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 4: comes down to you know what Paul talks about talent.

1800
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 4: You know, you got these talented guys have to emerge,

1801
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 4: have to get a chance, have to play, you know,

1802
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 4: And so in that regard, you're excited about guys like Douglas,

1803
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe you're I'm a little bit disappointed

1804
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 4: right now in Taekwon Thornton just it's been you know,

1805
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: we talked about him as being the wild card. They

1806
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 4: kind of flopped Juju for Jacoby kind of a wash.

1807
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 4: It certainly even now seems more of a wash. I mean,

1808
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 4: I guess we'll see. I feel like Juju's got still

1809
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 4: got big shoes to live up to with Jacoby. But

1810
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: you haven't gotten anything out of Thornton yet. And that's

1811
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, he was the X factor for that group

1812
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 4: that could really maybe change the dynamic. And now you're

1813
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 4: hoping it's Douglas.

1814
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned what you're either go three and

1815
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: fourteen or just be middling. And you know, I think

1816
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: about the story in Miami where the owner and you

1817
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: know this, I don't know if this is true, but

1818
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: this was the report that the owner told Flores the

1819
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: tank and he said he'd actually pay him like extra

1820
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: money for every loss. And and you know, you think, oh,

1821
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, head coach, thinking about the future of the team,

1822
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: maybe he'd buy into that. And Flora said, no way,

1823
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.

1824
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Integrity.

1825
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to do that. Now. I don't

1826
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: know if that, but that's the report. I don't know,

1827
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: but I could see. You know, Belichick isn't going to

1828
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: tank ever, no ever, But.

1829
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 4: You just I really wonder how it's all going to

1830
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 4: come together this season, just with how tough their schedule is,

1831
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 4: and you know, and it's a real opportunity for them

1832
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 4: to maybe turn the page and actually, you know, start

1833
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 4: knocking off some of these good teams.

1834
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean, just right out of the gate. Like I mean,

1835
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 3: you know, I don't, I don't. I never try to

1836
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 3: make too much out of Week one.

1837
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 4: I think, win or lose, it's often a weird game,

1838
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 4: and it's often not indicative of what kind of team

1839
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 4: you are. It's just kind of that day. Yeah, But

1840
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 4: I still think if you were to somehow pull out

1841
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 4: a win over the darlings of the league in Philadelphia,

1842
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 4: and there'd be a little bit of swag and you'd

1843
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 4: certainly need it going into that Week two game, which

1844
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 4: I think is even more meaningful against Miami, which is

1845
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 4: a game that you know, really you want to be

1846
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 4: a second, you want to have a ceiling at least

1847
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 4: of the second overall finish in AFCs.

1848
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: I think you got to win that game.

1849
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Christians in La. What's up Christian.

1850
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 11: Here you guys to all you today?

1851
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: Good?

1852
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 11: Good, Hey, so one, I'm going to start backwards and

1853
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 11: go for it really really quick. I think Week one

1854
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 11: really does say a lot. I think it's indicative of

1855
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 11: how the team takes to the coaching and the preparation

1856
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 11: that's needed. Like last year, we saw in Week one

1857
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 11: that the team just looked dishoveled, They look confused, and

1858
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 11: they never really recovered. So I think Week one is

1859
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 11: a real good indicator of how the team is taking

1860
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 11: to the new coaching too. With the mac Jones, I think, really,

1861
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 11: to be honest, we need to give him two full

1862
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 11: seasons in one offensive system to really see if.

1863
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 6: He is the guy.

1864
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 11: He's not gotten that consistently, and so with any of

1865
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 11: the quarterbacks that you guys have seen be really successful,

1866
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 11: even the ones that have come in and had a

1867
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 11: lot of doubt around him, like a Josh Allen, it

1868
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 11: took two seasons in one system to really bloss them.

1869
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 11: So until we give Mac that, it's like, you know,

1870
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 11: we're doing the same thing that the Cleveland Browns do

1871
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 11: and all these other middling teams where they just they

1872
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 11: cast off everything too soon before they before they really

1873
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 11: find out what's going.

1874
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: On, because the fans, well, I would just be curious.

1875
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 3: I would be curious, which which are those teams? Do

1876
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 3: you think? Did that? Give me an example of a

1877
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: team you think they cast the Buffalo Bills they cast

1878
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 3: off their quarterback too soon?

1879
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 10: Oh no, no, no, no, no.

1880
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 3: Give me an example of a team you think they

1881
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: cast off their quarterback too soon?

1882
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1883
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: I think maybe.

1884
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 11: I think maybe the Cleveland Browns. I think Paker Mayfield

1885
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 11: can play football.

1886
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 3: He can't.

1887
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 11: Maybe he's not the best locker room die or the

1888
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 11: best kind.

1889
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: Of football teah. I think he's I think he's had

1890
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 3: opportunities around the league and he looks the same as

1891
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 3: he did in Cleveland, Like I don't think Cleveland waited

1892
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 3: too long to pull the plug on him. I think

1893
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 3: I think he's near.

1894
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 11: They nearly beat the Chiefs with Baker Mayfield.

1895
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, that doesn't mean that Cleveland's not a good team.

1896
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I think Cleveland's a talented team

1897
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: that needs a quarterback, and they had a.

1898
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 11: Quarterback that was that was in their system, would in

1899
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 11: the system.

1900
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 3: He did remain in the system the next year, and

1901
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: what happened they didn't do that well but that But

1902
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 3: but why didn't they do that well? I think when

1903
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 3: you just because he was terrible. He was one of

1904
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 3: the worst quarterbacks in football in that year that was

1905
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 3: twenty one, I think the year the Patriots made the playoffs,

1906
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 3: right that the year that Mac made the playoffs was

1907
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 3: twenty one, right, Yeah, he was terrible that season. I

1908
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 3: mean it was one of the worst performances I've seen live.

1909
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that he was awful in the game

1910
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: against the Patriots. I concur on that, Like, I don't

1911
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: think that Cleveland waited, you know, you know, pull the

1912
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 3: plug too quick. I think when you know, like I think,

1913
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: the worst thing that you can do is embrace mediocrity.

1914
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 3: See absolute thing. Like to me, it's like Andy Dalton,

1915
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to ride it out for six, seven, eight years,

1916
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, now I'm looking for a

1917
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 3: new coach, a new direction, a new quarterback. And I

1918
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 3: knew he wasn't the guy in year three, but I

1919
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: stuck with him through year six. I think that's the

1920
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: worst thing you can do. And I think that maybe

1921
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 3: the Giants might be in that boat right now with Jones.

1922
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 11: Sure, okay, so you say you say that Mac does not.

1923
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't say any. I'm not talking about Mac Jones.

1924
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm pushing back on we don't want to be like

1925
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 3: these other teams that pull the plug too soon. I

1926
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: don't think there are a lot of examples of teams

1927
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 3: that pull the plug too soon. I think there are

1928
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 3: far more examples of teams that wait too long with

1929
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 3: mediocre to below average quarterbacks than there are really good

1930
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that teams didn't give enough of a leash.

1931
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 4: Right And it's also guys like Josh Allen who are

1932
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 4: insanely physically talented.

1933
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 3: But Shathen was really good in year two right like

1934
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: then he got digs and he got to another stratosphere.

1935
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 4: Like but you knew what he had the next Christians,

1936
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Speaker 4: what he had to do to reach that next level.

1937
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 4: Like mac he is what you know, he kind of

1938
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 4: is the high floor guy. So there's not like if

1939
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 4: he can just learn to throw accurately, and he can

1940
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 4: throw accurately, like I don't think.

1941
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 3: That there's anything you can just learn the you know,

1942
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 3: the defenses. He knows the defense if he can just

1943
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: learn And this is, by the way, like I want

1944
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 3: to push back a little bit on something else, the

1945
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 3: whole third offense in three years, that's not really true.

1946
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 3: That's not really true. Now, Bill O'Brien is different than

1947
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but

1948
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 3: the core principles of their offense are pretty much the same.

1949
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 3: And I don't think last year was just a complete

1950
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 3: departure from what they were doing schematically. It was a

1951
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 3: complete departure with a guy not having any idea how

1952
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 3: to sequence and call plays in game plan and do

1953
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Like I think he was not done

1954
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: any favors by Matt Patricia last year, But do you like,

1955
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 3: I don't look at this as like a whole new

1956
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 3: cast of characters with Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels. Did

1957
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 3: anybody say that with with Brady? No, it was the

1958
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: same thing, right Bill, it was Bill Belich. It was

1959
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 3: the offense that Ron Earhart made who knows how long ago,

1960
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 3: and they've used it really ever since. I'm sure there's

1961
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 3: some nuance to the absolutely differences with Bill O'Brien and

1962
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: Josh mc should.

1963
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Speaker 1: Lose your job if you don't change your terminology.

1964
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 4: You can't compare him, though to guys who have had

1965
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 4: three different head coaches, and you know that's like you know, mean,

1966
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 4: look at Trevor Lawrence. I mean that's a complete change

1967
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 4: in everything. The head coach has gone a whole new offense,

1968
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 4: all new weapons. I mean, that's a big change. I

1969
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 4: think there has been some continuity with Mac I that

1970
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 4: all said. I just think the position he was put in,

1971
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 4: we're all on the same page.

1972
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Speaker 3: He needs, he needs a chance, he deserves a chance,

1973
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: and I think he absolutely deserves a chance. I don't think,

1974
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 3: like I said, I think he's going to get the

1975
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 3: fifty year option unless he really, like let's like you said,

1976
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: unless he loses the job. If he loses the job

1977
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 3: to ZAPPI then he's probably not going to get it,

1978
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: but I think he's going to get more than enough

1979
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 3: opportunities to play. If he goes three years and you

1980
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: don't know yet and the team gives him a fourth,

1981
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: that's more in that we're embracing mediocrity than.

1982
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a quarterback on a manageable contract than anything else.

1983
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, we don't. We didn't have a better option.

1984
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Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina.

1985
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 12: Heye, Todd, Hey guys, I just got a quick take

1986
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 12: on kind of your idea that we'd beat Philly. So

1987
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 12: I kind of want to know which two rookie or

1988
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 12: second year players would you see and it would have

1989
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 12: to stand.

1990
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Speaker 8: Out for us to be Philly.

1991
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Speaker 12: For me, it'd be maybe Maphu and whoever's playing tackle

1992
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 12: opposite our big guy, because I you know, we need

1993
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 12: a line and we need to stop the speedy. So

1994
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 12: it'd be interested to hear which two you guys would think.

1995
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 12: I think that's for sure.

1996
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I I mean, I like seeing Mapu play

1997
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 4: a bunch. I still not convinced he's got a role

1998
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 4: on defense week one, much less this year. I mean,

1999
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see where he ends up, but I'm

2000
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 4: not convinced that he's, you know, really a factor.

2001
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I I would put some of the lighter

2002
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 3: linebackers in there, though.

2003
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 4: I think Mac Wilson's probably in that mix a little

2004
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 4: bit more than map Who Is Mobile guy struggled last

2005
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 4: year against Lamar.

2006
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 3: He'd be the first one.

2007
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it's easy to say the tackles, they're gonna

2008
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 4: they gotta get tackle play, they got to get good.

2009
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 3: Play up front.

2010
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 4: That's a beast of an offensive line. They've got a

2011
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 4: number of talented players, and I think that's where that

2012
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 4: game is mostly gonna be won or lost.

2013
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: And I know why Todd picked map Who because of

2014
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and yeah, you know he would you know,

2015
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 3: I just think that's asking a lot of a young

2016
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 3: guy to go out there in your first game and

2017
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 3: have to deal with something so sort of outside the box.

2018
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 3: I just think he's he's I mean, I'm not sure

2019
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 3: exactly what map Who is yet, No neither am I.

2020
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 4: And that's I mean, people are kind of making fun

2021
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 4: of me and Evan for our reactions online, but.

2022
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 3: That was part of the email.

2023
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 4: Part of the man was yeah they said that, and

2024
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 4: I and I and I stand by what I said

2025
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 4: at the time. I said, if this all works out perfectly,

2026
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: what is he?

2027
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:53,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2028
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 4: I still don't know yet. I mean, we've seen him

2029
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,839
Speaker 4: play a little safety, We've seen him play a little linebacker.

2030
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 4: He looks like he's pretty comfortab out there so far,

2031
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 4: but I still don't know exactly how he beats out

2032
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 4: Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, you know, all those guys, Jibil Peppers,

2033
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 4: all those guys are ahead of him, Jalen Mills. I mean,

2034
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 4: he's he's buried right now on the depth chart. I

2035
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 4: know we all want that mobile, you know, second level guy,

2036
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 4: but we'll have to see.

2037
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 3: I'm still waiting to see on him.

2038
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: And I love the player.

2039
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 3: I love the idea of the player.

2040
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 4: I think that's what a lot of people are more

2041
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 4: in love with than actual Marte mop Who is just

2042
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 4: the idea of what Marte mop Who could be. But

2043
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 4: as as the emailer said, I'm waiting to see it

2044
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 4: on the field first, and so far it's just been

2045
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 4: he's playing in a number of spots on the on

2046
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 4: the lower level of reps.

2047
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to Willem and Phillim. What's up, William.

2048
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 8: Thanks for it.

2049
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 3: How you doing all right?

2050
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: All right?

2051
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 8: Questions for Goose and Paul? First of all, how y'all

2052
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 8: doing to good?

2053
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 3: What good? How you doing all right?

2054
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 7: All right?

2055
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 6: So I got it.

2056
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 8: I gotta ask this one. Okay, what is going on

2057
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 8: with my board? Tae Kwon Thorton? I mean, here we

2058
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 8: got George Picking making one hand catches over. They handed

2059
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 8: him the ball and we got to receive hit that

2060
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 8: has four two eight speed and hasn't shown really anything.

2061
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 8: I mean, do we consider this as another bus will

2062
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 8: build again?

2063
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 6: Uh?

2064
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 3: The only I mean that, Yeah, it's a little early.

2065
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 3: I I just don't know.

2066
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 4: He might have some kind of physical issue. Maybe he's

2067
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 4: like got a tweeked hamstring or something. Anyway, I tell anything,

2068
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 4: I tell you right now, it's not going to be positive.

2069
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 4: But he's you know, he's just not really He's doing

2070
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 4: the warm up drills and then he goes down to

2071
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 4: the lower field. Now, most of those guys either you know,

2072
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 4: we're speculating there's no depth behind them and they're needed,

2073
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 4: or they have contract concerns. That's Taekwon's not a contract

2074
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 4: concerned guy.

2075
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 3: So it's a no. It's a disappointing start. I haven't.

2076
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 4: I haven't ruled them out yet, and I think, really

2077
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 4: where all of our information, the majority of the good

2078
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 4: information is going to come from joint practices, So you know,

2079
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 4: it's it's you don't need.

2080
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 3: To jump off the ledge just yet about anything.

2081
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 4: But you know, once we get out there is on

2082
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 4: when you available, does he come back as strange back?

2083
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 4: You know, that's when the rubber meets the road and

2084
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 4: those things start to come together. So but no question,

2085
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 4: it's been disappointing other than a couple passes he caught

2086
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 4: from Zappy Me a few days ago.

2087
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: His superpower is a speed and we just haven't seen it.

2088
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 3: Haven't seen that. It hasn't been on this stand and

2089
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 3: the way that Douglass jumps off the field. And maybe

2090
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 3: that's more because it's a quickness thing.

2091
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 4: But you know, Taekwon is just such a tall, skinny dude.

2092
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 4: He's so he's so unique, but you haven't really seen

2093
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 4: that put to use yet. You haven't really seen him

2094
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 4: running by people or taking the top off the defense.

2095
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 4: Half the time you see him catch stuff. I mean,

2096
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 4: we've been in the red zone, but it's underneath stuff,

2097
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 4: and I you know, I just i'd love to see

2098
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 4: him take a shot at him downfield.

2099
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: Yep, thanks, William, appreciate the call. Let's go to Brent

2100
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: and Reno.

2101
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 13: Hey Brent, Hey, guys, just got a quick, quick, little

2102
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 13: you know topic, going to discuss really fast. I haven't

2103
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 13: been a frequent color since COVID because I was on telework,

2104
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 13: but now I'm back on it, so I'm gonna start

2105
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 13: call him more. But I just wanted to kind of

2106
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 13: hear about how Jalen Mills is doing and what you

2107
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 13: guys are seeing from him in training camp now that

2108
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 13: we moved in back to the safety spot.

2109
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a little up and down, Yeah, but he's

2110
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 3: uh I think definitely safety. Yeah. Yeah, I hit a

2111
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 3: nice pass defense a couple of days ago with the

2112
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 3: with the safety group. With thee I finished practice with

2113
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 3: a nice pick on an out route. Yeah, so uh yeah.

2114
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 3: I think he's been covering tight ends a lot.

2115
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 4: So he's not with the cornerbacks anymore. He's pretty much

2116
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 4: looks like he's with the safety group full time. And

2117
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I do wonder how does it how does

2118
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 4: it all you know, mix up? I mean, maybe he

2119
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 4: kind of not to say he's taking Devin mccordy's free

2120
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 4: safety kind of role, but I think he kind of

2121
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 4: takes that maybe that roster spot as the rotational you know,

2122
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 4: for safety. But otherwise between Peppers and Phillips and Dougart,

2123
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 4: they're just rotating those guys all through every safety spot

2124
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 4: you can imagine, and on any down you never really

2125
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 4: do know who's going where.

2126
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, perfect, And thanks for hitting thats because that's

2127
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 13: exactly what I was going to ask us. How you

2128
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 13: feel about him going from a cody there?

2129
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I mean, I gotta be honest,

2130
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 4: I have some concerns just about the deep speed and

2131
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 4: the range of those guys on the back end. You know,

2132
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 4: if some of these teams that are bombs away, you know,

2133
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 4: are Peppers and Phillips and doug are gonna have that

2134
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: range to get sidelined to side on and really make

2135
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 4: sure that that the big plays aren't becoming a big problem.

2136
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,839
Speaker 4: That's a that's a concern of mine on the defensive

2137
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 4: of how they're gonna how they're gonna handle some of

2138
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 4: that stuff with the faster teams.

2139
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Cordy had that speed.

2140
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 3: Smart on the same page. It's like what you know,

2141
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 3: and it's always dangerous to sort of like watch from

2142
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 3: afar and then try to interpret what's going on. But

2143
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 3: there was a play in the red zone that Juju

2144
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 3: caught that that little stutter step where he kind of

2145
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 3: went to the outside and did the slant like a

2146
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: little skinny post. Yeah, before that play, we talked a

2147
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 3: lot about this during the podcast. It definitely looked like

2148
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,839
Speaker 3: Jalen Mills was trying to get some communication to Jonathan Jones.

2149
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 3: They weren't on the same page and the guy ends

2150
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: up being wide open. So I'm not telling you that

2151
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 3: that wouldn't happened. If Devin mccorty was still there, maybe

2152
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 3: the same thing would have happened. But just some of

2153
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 3: those communication things that you want to watch and see

2154
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 3: if they're coverage breakdowns more often than they have.

2155
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 4: If we get to one and there's like a sixty

2156
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 4: yard AJ Brown touchdown and you know, Peppers and Tugger

2157
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 4: and Phillos are all look at each other with palms.

2158
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 3: In the air, then you'll know they miss Devin mccordy.

2159
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: Johnny right, Sin don't listen to the critics, he says.

2160
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and everyone sees

2161
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 1: things differently. I've seen every reaction on the spectrum to

2162
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: the practice, from doom and gloom to when do the

2163
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: playoffs start? I'll be at the joint practices in Green

2164
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Bay for at least a day, and I'm excited to

2165
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: see our offense, in particular how it looks against another

2166
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: team's defense, especially one as stout as Green Bay's. I

2167
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: think you are all cautiously optimistic to maybe at times

2168
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 1: safely neutral, but I hardly think you are all intentionally

2169
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: negative snarky.

2170
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm very negative, but I am not intentionally negative.

2171
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: Rat's Evan on the Engagement. That's that's Paul shows that

2172
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 1: are intentionally negative.

2173
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 3: But they're intentionally snarky to on steroids.

2174
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, Rick and Louisville. After listening

2175
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: to that old cl it on the commercial break, you

2176
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: can give me Hannity and Combs the Crossfire on CNN.

2177
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: I'll take Fred versus Paul any day of the week,

2178
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: and twice on Sunday. You guys are classic. Please never change.

2179
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm still laughing as I type.

2180
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 3: I try not to do that, I really do. I

2181
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 3: don't know how. Every once in a while Fred just

2182
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,679
Speaker 3: does it because he gives Deduce. That little look gives

2183
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Deuce the glint in his eye, and he he knows

2184
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: he's got me. He knows he's got me. He doesn't

2185
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 3: have Eric anymore, though.

2186
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 4: I used to like when the Eric ones would start,

2187
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 4: and you know, you could tell Fred like all of

2188
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 4: a sudden found a little bit. He found a little

2189
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 4: vain that he wants to maybe tap into a little bit,

2190
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 4: and Eric's going crazy.

2191
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: It was kind of bullying, though, don't you Well, that's

2192
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 1: what makes good radio. Yeah, I guess. But he's just

2193
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: such an easy target, you know.

2194
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 4: Well, that's what makes him good, right, That's what makes

2195
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 4: it a good I mean, it's uh, I mean, I

2196
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 4: feel like the radio shows, it's like everybody's kind of

2197
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 4: becomes characters someone and that's what makes it good.

2198
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: Right right, yep, let's see, George says, and he's from Virginia.

2199
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Happy to hear you all talk about how the offense

2200
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: is looking good. I'd been hearing and reading reports of

2201
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: the offense looking good from other outlets, and I've been

2202
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: dismissing it since I didn't hear it from my PU sources.

2203
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for the work you guys do. So there

2204
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: you go. See that's what we've earned. We've earned the credibility.

2205
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 1: When we say it's good, it's good, you can believe it.

2206
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 4: That's why I mean it's funny because you know, the

2207
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 4: last few practices, me and Evan watched up top, Paul's

2208
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 4: been down below with the know it alls, and you know,

2209
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 4: we still come together afterwards in the same thing. We

2210
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 4: don't even talk and we just got which is like

2211
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 4: another reason, not that I intentionally don't want to watch

2212
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 4: it with you or anybody else to watch it, but

2213
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 4: that that's why I never go on Twitter after practice.

2214
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 3: I never want to see what other people's thoughts. I

2215
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 3: don't want to be clouded by someone. I want to

2216
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 3: see what I see. And if I go back and

2217
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 3: I and there's a couple of guys that I'll look at.

2218
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: I always look at Mike's notebook when he throws his

2219
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 3: notebook out there on Twitter. And then every once in

2220
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 3: a while be like, ah, I didn't I didn't catch that,

2221
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 3: or I meant to include that. But usually you know,

2222
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 3: Phil Perry, Mike Reese, you know, the three of us,

2223
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 3: we're all almost all all on the same Mike Giardi,

2224
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 3: we're all on the same page. We all kind of watch.

2225
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 3: And we've been around for a little bit. We've seen

2226
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: the same things over and over again, and there's very

2227
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 3: few surprises.

2228
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: I have high hopes for Chris Price. Yeah, taking back

2229
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: on the glow beat. I think he's gonna make an

2230
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: extra effort to be accurate and fair.

2231
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 3: He's right in there, right in there, anymore than the

2232
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 3: guy he's replacing. Like that kind as well. He should

2233
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 3: have been on Patriots dot com staff, but I think

2234
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 3: he should be. Well, he was one of us.

2235
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Dan and Virginia and Michigan. Congrats to Evan on his engagement.

2236
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: How does his fiance feel about Evan's computer being his

2237
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: best man so that he can keep watching film during

2238
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: the ceremony?

2239
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's fun. It's fun. I mean I haven't set

2240
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 3: a date right, no, but you know, I mean we're

2241
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 3: already talking.

2242
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 4: We were talking a little about about babies, and I

2243
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 4: was like, cheez, Evan, how are you going to manage

2244
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 4: that one? So we're like, all right, if you could

2245
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 4: get it, so she has it like right after the draft,

2246
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 4: you know, then you'll get some some free time maybe

2247
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 4: to have the baby.

2248
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: But I heard they weren't going to have the baby.

2249
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: The traditional way he was going to draft one's baby.

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01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 3: He's gonna scout it and draw it up. No, it's fun.

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01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 4: It's fun listening to Evan, you know, with his passion

2252
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 4: for the game and then his poor girlfriend and trying

2253
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 4: to balance it all.

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01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 3: It's a high comedy for sure.

2255
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Damario Douglas, this is still Dan has been getting

2256
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: some attention and he wants to know is there any

2257
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: chance that he ends up like the next Taylor Price

2258
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:33,719
Speaker 1: or Zach Zudfeld.

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01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, there is sure, Yeah, Douglas. You know, but

2260
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 4: but right now it looks like it doesn't look like it.

2261
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 3: I think he has a trait that like he's quick,

2262
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 3: and I think that that kind of stands out and

2263
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 3: he catches the ball. Yeah, I mean I've really noticed

2264
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 3: a lot of like super catches, not super buddy. A

2265
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 3: couple had one today, but I mean nice down for

2266
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is every pass that he caught

2267
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 3: I would expect you or I to catch so far. Whereas,

2268
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 3: like reminder, Stevenson made a catch today in a short,

2269
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 3: little hook that was high. He went up and high

2270
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 3: pointed it. That's not an average catch for a running back,

2271
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 3: like you know, you know, what I'm saying, like I'm

2272
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 3: not telling you like it was just behind the back,

2273
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 3: one handed catch. But every ball that to Mario Douglas

2274
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 3: has caught has been absolutely routine. Yeah, so I don't

2275
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 3: know about his hands yet.

2276
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 4: I mean take it for what it is in one

2277
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 4: on ones, but nobody gets the separation like he does.

2278
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 3: And those are really tough drills. But you'd think the

2279
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 3: one on ones, you'd think that.

2280
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 4: Some of those guys though juju, they be able to

2281
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 4: get better separation.

2282
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 3: But I mean, he is like boom boom open Born

2283
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 3: has been the best at that drill in the two days.

2284
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Bourne has been wide open every time every rep. And

2285
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 3: your boy takes advantage of Marcus Jones a lot. Douglas

2286
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 3: he catches Marcus Jones, he has He has gotten Marcus

2287
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 3: Jones a few times.

2288
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: Uh, Barton Poland you know, when it comes to a

2289
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: potential veteran quarterback, he's very high in Kyler Murray. He

2290
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: thinks that he could be a really good quarterback and

2291
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 1: believes that he carried a horribly coach Cardinals team for

2292
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,440
Speaker 1: a while and that he's underrated.

2293
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 4: Weird spot for him after tearing his ac on the

2294
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 4: Patriots I mean, he's probably gonna be like a midseason right, Like,

2295
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 4: they don't expect him to be ready.

2296
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 3: To go, So he's in a weird spot. New coach.

2297
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 4: I heard the Jonathan Gannon's been pretty hard disciplinarian from

2298
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 4: the reports I've seen, so interesting spot for Kyler Murray

2299
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 4: kind of coming in the middle of the year. How's

2300
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 4: the team doing at that point? Does he bring a

2301
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 4: spark to them? And you know, maybe he can secure

2302
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 4: that job, But I don't. I don't disagree with the

2303
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 4: point that he might be generally available in the next

2304
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 4: season or.

2305
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: So Ben writes in he's in Liverpool. I know it's

2306
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: early in training camp, but I'm starting to get worried

2307
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: about the offense, much like last year, will be the

2308
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: downfall of this team, and I think a lot of

2309
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: that has to do with Mac. I don't think he

2310
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: was given a level playing ground to build upon his

2311
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: year last year, but still sounds like he just isn't

2312
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: getting going to be the quarterback we can invest in.

2313
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: What would need to happen for you guys, this kind

2314
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: of the same question as before. Well need to happen

2315
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: to pull the plug on them?

2316
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 3: I would just pump the brakes on the on the

2317
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 3: killing Mac right now. Yeah, I'm not looking for that.

2318
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to go all fred on you here like this.

2319
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 3: We're like, you know, a week into training camp, getting

2320
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 3: ready to start a season. I'm not ready to say, like, well,

2321
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,759
Speaker 3: what if we have to make a change of quarterback

2322
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 3: right now? Mac Jones is the quarterback, right I mean

2323
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 3: right now?

2324
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 4: Doubt Look as it looks as good as he's been

2325
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 4: playing since the middle of his rookie season. I mean,

2326
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 4: you know, like just as far as practice is what

2327
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 4: we've seen, Like you know, so I don't know what

2328
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 4: his ceiling's going to be, but he's playing good football

2329
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 4: right now. When he's starting to feel it a little bit,

2330
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 4: he's you know, celebrating and you know, the team seems

2331
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 4: to be rallying around him. So I know it was

2332
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 4: a slow start and we might have been negative about

2333
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 4: the start, but it's starting to come on.

2334
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 3: They strung a few days together. It wasn't like, oh,

2335
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 3: two days ago we had a good day and it

2336
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 3: was bad.

2337
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's starting to stack a little bit.

2338
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 4: So I would just you know, pump the brakes on,

2339
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 4: you know, just trying to take Max's job. Immediately give

2340
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 4: him a chance.

2341
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 1: We got to get that line right, and that's the key.

2342
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 3: That's that's I think that the bigger key to all

2343
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 3: of it.

2344
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 4: I really have confidence at this offense will at least

2345
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 4: be confident like it was in twenty twenty one.

2346
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 3: I think the pieces are at least equal, if not

2347
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 3: better than they would do.

2348
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: You and Evan will be out in Green Bay for

2349
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: the first set of joint practices.

2350
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be really important for you to

2351
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:25,600
Speaker 4: you know, I pay attention to it.

2352
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 1: Give us some accurate reports of what's going on.

2353
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 4: Accurate this time, I was just gonna be eating cheese

2354
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 4: the whole time. I could actually watch practice.

2355
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:32,959
Speaker 3: Now this is this is ridiculous.

2356
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,640
Speaker 1: No, we're looking forward to Reno writes in should we

2357
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: be concerned how much I'm reading about Christian Gonzales getting beat?

2358
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think he's been competitive in all

2359
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 3: the all the drills.

2360
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,799
Speaker 4: I think he's shown good just it just looks comfortable

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01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 4: out there, and there's so much communication and hand drills

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01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 4: and everything that goes back and forth pre snap with

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01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 4: those guys. He's going to get beat sometimes. I mean

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01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 4: everybody's going to get beat on a DeVante Parker. You know,

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01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 4: high point faith, that's what he does. But no, I

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01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 4: wouldn't get I wouldn't be overly concerned yet. I think

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01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 4: I'd just be excited. He's been playing a lot and

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01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 4: that he's taken he's taken some lumps. There's gonna be

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01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 4: growing pains, but I think so far he's been he's

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Speaker 4: been excellent.

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Speaker 1: Erica is from Virginia. What's up? Erica?

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, how are y'all doing today?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Erica, Hey, So I was talking to a buddy of mine,

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01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 6: and we've been discussing this whole first round pick back

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01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty when we when we drafted Duggart. Now,

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01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 6: with that being said, knowing what we know now with

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01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 6: Burrow and Duggert, would y'all have made that option to

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01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 6: uh make a move to get Burrow over Dugger in

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01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty draft.

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01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: Dougger was a second round pick. Decision was made, Dougger

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01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: was a second Dougger was a second round pick.

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01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I think they would have had to sold

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01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 4: the farm, but hey, if there was a way to

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01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 4: do it. Yeah, I love me some Joe Burrow, but

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01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 4: I think it was probably a little bit out of

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01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 4: their their range to realistically make that happen.

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01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 6: But oh yeah, and that's what I thought too, Like,

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01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 6: I just didn't see the whole Burrow thing happening, and

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 6: my body was like, uh no, we could have traded Brady.

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01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, I still don't see them trading

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01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 6: Brady Cincinnati to get that pick Burrow.

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01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 4: Could you imagine that that would have been that would

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01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 4: have been chess checkers?

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01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 6: No, I mean sure, you don't think that Burrow would

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01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 6: have been a good fit for the Oh yeah.

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01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 1: Godcha everywhere he fit anywhere in the league. Yeah, yeah, no,

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01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: he's he's he's now one of the faces of the league.

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01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think just in terms.

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01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 6: Of I mean I just didn't know how, you know,

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01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 6: I just didn't know what all his opinions of him.

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01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him, I love him. Yah, we're big fans.

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01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:48,560
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think part of it is just

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01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 4: if there was somebody in the style of Brady's game

2405
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 4: and kind of in the style of mex game, that's.

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01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 5: What Burrow is.

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01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's kind of a throwback, certainly athletic.

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01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 11: But quick yeah, just you know, you know, on on Minshew.

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01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 6: Why why do you think that Minshew wasn't even a

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01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 6: blip at that point when he was up.

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01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I can't speak to Gardner Minshew. Yeah,

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01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew. I don't think it's a very good play.

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01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got a good personality, Yeah, good, good, good

2414
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 4: backup and you can have a game.

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01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and he's he's been able to do that.

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01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't, I don't. She teases me with this,

2417
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 3: why didn't we just go get Joe Bert?

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01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: But between Minshew and Burrow, imagine them on the same

2419
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 1: team for arrivals, just the outfits alone.

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01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Is Hey, we had Cam Newton here and those arrivals

2421
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 3: are pretty cool.

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01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Uh one in Monterey, Mexico, with

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01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: Judon not participating, could it simply just be keeping him

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01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: fresh to be able to last the whole season both years?

2425
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: By the end of the season he looked exhausted and ps.

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01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: The reason mac Jones is playing better is because his babe,

2427
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: Evan wanted Zappie more.

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01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 3: As soon as Evan went to Zapi, Max started claying show.

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01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know what.

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01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what to say, I mean, there's certainly

2431
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 4: logically you can understand at these positions where the depth

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01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 4: it outside linebacker slash edge that Judon is the top

2433
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 4: and for Trump Brown at tackle that it is a

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01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 4: significant drop off after those guys, And it makes every

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01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 4: bit of sense in the world to want to make

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01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 4: sure that they not only make it to the season healthy,

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01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 4: but stay fresh through the whole season. How with their

2438
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 4: contract things going on the scenes, probably and hopefully they

2439
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 4: get it figured out. But even if they get the

2440
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 4: contract stuff figured out, do we think, like there's a

2441
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 4: report in the morning Matthew Judon has signed, you know,

2442
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 4: a contract extension, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then that day

2443
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 4: he's out there in pads and ready to Like, right,

2444
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 4: I still think that there's more to just a contract.

2445
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 4: They're trying to manage him and Trump Brown.

2446
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: All right. Catch twenty two will be at three o'clock

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Speaker 1: today because Evan and Alex have some writing to do,

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Speaker 1: so they're going to start their show at three. For

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Speaker 1: those of you who expected it to start right after

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Speaker 1: this show, Sorry, take a break, get some something eat,

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Speaker 1: come back at three for Alex and for Cash twenty

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Speaker 1: two for us, that'll be it. For this edition of

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