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Speaker 1: Content warning. This podcast discusses violence, murder, suicide, civil unrest,

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Speaker 1: aggressive policing, racism, and lynching. If you or anyone you

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Speaker 1: know is considering suicide, her self harm, or just need

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Speaker 1: to talk about problems, please call the National Suicide Prevention

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Speaker 1: Lifeline to seven three to five or text the crisis

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Speaker 1: text line at seven four one. Previously and after the uprising,

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Speaker 1: did he seem excited about going on that night? Danny

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Speaker 1: said he did. It's my brother, he said he did.

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Speaker 1: I saw him leave out the door last night because

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Speaker 1: I was sitting in kidching. Do you know about what time?

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Speaker 1: I was about nine o'clock his car and drove off,

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Speaker 1: not needing leaving the clock does things as well his

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Speaker 1: calls down. I wish that I had asked him, leaving

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Speaker 1: him with late nights is more of a day that

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Speaker 1: said for us, I would get calls like that, Daja,

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Speaker 1: she didn't got me for some more money And I'm

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Speaker 1: not just one probably five different feature killer. Hi is

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Speaker 1: this Desa Jones? Yeah? This is they do activist very wrong.

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Speaker 1: I did a couple of months kill time. You troll

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Speaker 1: me back in five minutes? Hey is Dasa? There are

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Speaker 1: Dad locked up right now? I'm gonna get what what happened.

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Speaker 1: What you're looking at is the aftermath of the grand

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Speaker 1: jury deciding not to indict Officer Wilson. A young man

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Speaker 1: found hanging from a tree in October. His mom believes

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Speaker 1: someone murdered her son, targeting him. Danye became an activist

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown

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Speaker 1: by a white police officer. That's why Melissa mckinnis wants St.

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Speaker 1: Louis County police to dig deeper to her son's death.

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Speaker 1: He was not suicidal. This is after the uprising, the

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Speaker 1: death of Donye Dion Jones. This just happened today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it had been like two days ago. Okay. I talked

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Speaker 1: to her on what's that? Talked to her on Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: So did it happened later in the day on Wednesday? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Haven Like where did they like Thursday morning, like three

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Speaker 1: She was out, and then they had what she had

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Speaker 1: coming home from work? Still, I'll still waiting on how

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Speaker 1: to get the claims. No, she was getting a hurt done.

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Speaker 1: more hurt. I waiting on how to get the county.

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Speaker 1: Now Desia was in jail and we still had so

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Speaker 1: much to ask her, so full disclosure, we pitched in

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars for her bail fund to help get

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Speaker 1: her out. It was no strings attached. Yes, we wanted

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Speaker 1: her free so we could schedule another time to speak

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Speaker 1: with her, but the money we donated wasn't conditional. A

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Speaker 1: few days later, we spoke to Desa briefly. She was

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Speaker 1: getting ready to go to work and she couldn't stay

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Speaker 1: been arrested. Basically in twenty seventeen, I was started with

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Speaker 1: something that I wasn't even the way I was waiting for.

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Speaker 1: I was it work? Answer everything being just be trying

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Speaker 1: you to me before they tried to charge with arson?

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Speaker 1: Was that? That was that? The thing? Apparently, Desa ran

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Speaker 1: really good front liner. We've spoken to Melissa a bit

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Speaker 1: and she, you know, obviously, her son Donya passed away

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Speaker 1: last year under under certain circumstances that are pretty uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: not believe that he took his own life. Um is

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Speaker 1: this something you've heard about it all like people talking

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Speaker 1: dying was my ex boyfriend. How long did you date him?

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Speaker 1: Him forever? Three four years? We actually were getting back

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Speaker 1: he's a old dude. Like members of Donye's family, Desia

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Speaker 1: That's what threw me off. I don't I still don't

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Speaker 1: Two days before he passed away. He called me very disturbed.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of things people say about me. I

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Speaker 1: my pocket. And then it makes me, you know, I

427
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: was shot in the back. When I got shot, I

428
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: couldn't run, no nothing, no more. So I started crawling

429
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: and the guy tried to shoot me in the head,

430
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: but at this time I had turned over and when

431
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: he took our running this weel. She got out of

432
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the car and like he was right there to what

433
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: They could have still shot her as well, but she

434
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: didn't encourage. She got out the cormination. I was okay,

435
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: excused here, come, she asked me. I told her. She

436
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: asked me what happened. I told her, I just got shot,

437
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: and she literally turned to the right and looked and

438
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: said that those guys right there do it. That's how

439
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: close they were. And I was like, yes, they just

440
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: shot you. The street was completely empty except for her.

441
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: The guys could have turned around being anything to her

442
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: about her being a female, but she didn't. There wasn't

443
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: She wasn't thinking about that at the time. She was

444
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I was okay. I was just

445
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: thinking that this is a a boy and he's done.

446
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't think that he was gonna make it.

447
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: You know, he kept looking like he was going to

448
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: pass out. Yeah, I kept trying to I kept waking up,

449
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: waking up, come on, you gotta stay up, and then

450
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: once I said, um, I just what I remember is

451
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I kept saying, come on, sweetheart, come on, beat baby,

452
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: wake up, wake up. What's your name? What's your name?

453
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: And he was trying to tell me his name, so

454
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: show in his eyes. I said, don't no, no, no,

455
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I said, listen, listen, listen, my son. I would have

456
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: a fit if it was himily on the ground here.

457
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: I said, where's your mother? Where's your mom? And I

458
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: don't remember how I even got her on the phone,

459
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: but I got on the phone and she was screaming

460
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: and crying, and I was trying to calm her down

461
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: and let her know that even though I didn't think

462
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: that he would be okay, but I was just trying

463
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: to keep her calm. And I was telling her where

464
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: we were, and I said, I'm not going to leave him,

465
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, I said, I'm not going to leave him.

466
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm staying right here. You know, if they come back,

467
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna have get both of me, all of us.

468
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm here. I'm not leaving until the

469
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: police gets here. I had called my mom on my own,

470
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: because if I had called my mom, as I was

471
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: feeling myself going in and out, I asked her to

472
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: talk to my mom with me, and then she was

473
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: talking to mom. She was keeping me up. At the

474
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: same time she was keeping me up, and he was

475
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: talking to my mom and talking to the offices and

476
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: everything is I was going in and out. How thorough

477
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: did the investigations? Seeing what was your interaction with the

478
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Ferguson police, Like, the thing is okay, it's a street car.

479
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I might in West floors. Now, simple fact that I

480
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: was on the left side of the street light. Hey,

481
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: I was in Ferguson Department. If I was on the

482
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: right side of street light, it would have been St.

483
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Louis County, Okay. So they found the shirt on the

484
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: scene when the guy stood up their shirt after a shot.

485
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Then somebody lost their heat. And on top of that,

486
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: I told you they came out the store Ferguson hand

487
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: d Nay. They could have got the cameras from the store,

488
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: But yet nobody was called my case. When cold They

489
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: told me they picked up one of the guys on

490
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: another charge and that they were sending my case to

491
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office. And I literally never heard nothing back

492
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: from him. Called Officer Michael bebbout the month or so

493
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: straight and he was on vacation. I honestly just gave

494
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: up on me because I'm not gonna lie. I know

495
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: that Ferguson Police Department is not the right way to be,

496
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: especially after the Mike Browns situation, the bullets hare Fingerprinson,

497
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: they got one of the guys DNA and my DNA

498
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: awful off the shirt and it was like just no riskmates,

499
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and I did the line, picked out the guy, well,

500
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: one of the guys, because it was three of them,

501
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: I picked up and when they actually shot me and

502
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: it was like nobody got caught, and it is I mean,

503
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: does that leave you feeling like unsafe? Now in twenty

504
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: one and I can conceal and carry, so I'm not

505
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: really I just I don't be out as much as

506
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I used to me now of course, because I mean

507
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Kawen was paralyzed that night when he was shot in

508
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: the back. He credits Melissa with saving his life, and

509
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: he expresses just how grateful he is that she selflessly

510
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: ran to his side as he was bleeding out in

511
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: the streets. Melissa believes that she would have kept up

512
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: with him and his family to see how he progressed.

513
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: But two months after kawen shooting, Danye died. All of

514
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: that happened in the wake of the four year anniversary

515
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: of Mike Brown's death, and now the five year anniversary

516
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: was upon us. Melissa wasn't sure at first if she

517
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: was going to attend the memorial event on Canfield Drive,

518
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: as she was still dealing with the weight of Danne's passing.

519
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: But as part of the event, the Ferguson Frontline protesters

520
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: were going to be honored for the time they spent

521
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: fighting for justice for Mike Brown. So we attended the

522
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: memorial to meet up with Melissa and to bring her

523
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: the pass codes that Desia had given to us so

524
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: we could try them on Danna's phone. A few hundred

525
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: people gathered for the event, which featured music and poetry.

526
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: There were speeches and chants, and then the moment Melissa

527
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: was asked to attend for annual Michael Brown Memorial Weekend

528
00:32:49,920 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: is dedicated to the Furguson front Lighters. This memorial to you,

529
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: l Then there was a moment we didn't expect. Yeah,

530
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: this ain't no TV show, this is real life. Since

531
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: by beers, Edward Crawford Jr. Say no justice, no peace

532
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: was murdered. Here, a speaker went through the list of

533
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: so called Ferguson mystery deaths. She started by naming Edward

534
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Crawford Jr. Who we explained all the way back in

535
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: episode one likely died of a self inflicted gunshot wound,

536
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: whether intentional or not. Based on the fact that when

537
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 1: he died he was in the backseat of a car

538
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: his sister was driving. Is DeAndrea Joshua was murdered here

539
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: and say no justice, no piece, no jice pe. My brother,

540
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Darren Seals was murdered here and say no justice, no peace,

541
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: No Nazi was murdered here. Say no justice, no peace,

542
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: No DeAndre. Joshua and Darren Seals, if you remember, were

543
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: murdered and the cars their bodies were found in were

544
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: set on fire. Bosson Masri was a Palestinian American activist

545
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: who had been very active in Ferkson. He died the

546
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: month after Donya in November. Bosson was riding a city

547
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: bus when he passed away from heart failure. A toxicology

548
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: report showed that he had Sentinel in his system, and

549
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: he was public about his struggle with heroin addictions, so

550
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: it's very likely his death was accidental. Don Jones was

551
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: murderer here. Stay no justice, no peace, no Really big,

552
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: these are front line aftivists. There's a problem in Fergusson

553
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: for them to continue to heal us that stood up

554
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: for injustice we ain't going nowhere. Something about all of

555
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: the names being read together to a crowd that knew

556
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: and loved these people, with the emphatic statement that they

557
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: were all murdered when some were not, was really interesting.

558
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Surely those who knew Edward Crawford Jr. And Bossa Masry

559
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: intimately knew there was more to their deaths than was

560
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: being said, But maybe it was beside the point. How

561
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: these young men had all died, whether they were shot

562
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: by a police officer like Mike, or by a gang

563
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: member as was hypothesized for Darren, whether they took their

564
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: own life with a gun like Edward, or whether was

565
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: taken by a chemical like Bossom. Every single one of

566
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: these deaths was tragic and had at its root life

567
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: in St. Louis. Life for these young men was a struggle.

568
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: They had to navigate so many intersecting worlds, so many

569
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: expectations of different people, all pulling them to be something

570
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: different from moment to moment. We were reminded of the

571
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: words of Tanahasi Coats, who writes in Between the World

572
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: and Me that all are phrasing race relations, racial chasm,

573
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: racial justice, racial profiling, white privilege, even white supremacy serves

574
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: to obscure that racism is a visceral experience, that it

575
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: dislodges brains, blocks airways, rips, muscle, extracts organs, cracks bones,

576
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: breaks teeth. You must never look away from this. You

577
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: must always remember the sociology, the history, the economics, the graphs,

578
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: the charts, the regressions, all land with great violence upon

579
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: the body. This sentiment was made all the more real

580
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: as we walked down Canfield Drive and encountered Dornella Connor.

581
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: What I heard was she was an undercover, so I

582
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: don't even know who want they shot me. She talked

583
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: to us about how during the Ferguson uprising, she was

584
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: shot in the head by an officer with a less

585
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: than lethal round while in the passenger seat of her

586
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: boyfriend's car. They bribing on my daughters uh father and

587
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: saying that he was trying to hit off a cop

588
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: death reason why they shot me, But it wasn't true.

589
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: Dornella and her boyfriend at the time weren't protesting. They

590
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: were driving to a gas station when an armored vehicle

591
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: blocked their path. Her boyfriend, who was driving, was trying

592
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: to maneuver the car into the gas station when officers

593
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: began firing at their car. Yeah. I passed out and

594
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: you woke up in the hospital. Yeah, okay. How long

595
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: how long were you out? I was out for three days. Yeah,

596
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: and you were pregnant the time house. Bring me. Don't worry.

597
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Dornella's baby is okay. Dornella, however, is now blind in

598
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: her left eye. We walked down West Floris and Ferguson.

599
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Police were posted on the block in a parking lot

600
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: not far from the Ferguson Market, the store where Mike

601
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Brown Jr. Had left before being killed. People had set

602
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: up booths and stalls, some selling food, some selling books,

603
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: some registering people to vote. Several members of the Lost

604
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Voices were there. We met Cheyenne Green in person, and

605
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: she still is very involved in local activism. We saw

606
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: Dante Carter walking along the road with a big cardboard sign,

607
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: getting passing cars to honk. Meldon Moffatt, one of the

608
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Lost Voices members, who like Melissa, was older than the rest,

609
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: spoke with us for almost an hour. He was emphatic

610
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: that after all the protests, nothing in Ferguson had changed.

611
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Nothing's changed. I'm not saying nothing's changed. Nothing has changed.

612
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: When they see us, they see animals. That's what they see.

613
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Let's gonna tame this animal. Let's go, We're told community,

614
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: so we can get these animals on control. That's how

615
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: they look at us. Meldon quickly touched on the same

616
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: themes that Desia had. And I'm telling you all, if

617
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: you all ever do any other interview with any of

618
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: the other activists or protests, I guarantee you're gonna say

619
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: the same thing I'm about to say. No protests or

620
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: activists there's been out here has really got their life

621
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: back on track since this isn't you know, since after

622
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: five years, none of us we all still trying to

623
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: get back and it's been hard. And we also have

624
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: the high too. Now did it died down? We all

625
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: are living in high We had to. They were on us.

626
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: It was clear that many of the people who participated

627
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: in the uprising in St. Louis were traumatized in a

628
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: variety of ways. They had paid and we're paying a

629
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: heavy toll to try to change their world for the better.

630
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: They locked every last one of us up for something

631
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: they can make up. I'm move when they got locked

632
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: up more than any of these people out here, I

633
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: got locked up six times means manner of walking? What

634
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the hell is that? Then they got um they got

635
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of they got Dave ship, they got they

636
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: even had a book because they even got them on something.

637
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: Try't even put Melissa. And but because in a um

638
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: a robbery that they had nothing to do with us.

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Speaker 1: Meldon new Melissa and her family, so we asked him

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Speaker 1: about her and about don Yae when I when I

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Speaker 1: met her, I saw her on South floors, and once

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Speaker 1: we got to you know, protesting all the time, seeing

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Speaker 1: each other, and we just became became one and we

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Speaker 1: stew it out of her and we fought hard. She

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Speaker 1: fought hard. I fell hard. There's nothing that woman wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do to get justice for whoever childhood was. That woman

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Speaker 1: has more heart than most of them me and you

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Speaker 1: see out here that's supposed to have been out here.

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Speaker 1: But when I found out about her son, it broke

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Speaker 1: my heart because I know him personally, and she can

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Speaker 1: tell you that I know her son, both of her

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Speaker 1: sons and her daughter, and it broke my heart to

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Speaker 1: find out that this man was. Can you tell us

654
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: about Dania like your impression of Dania as a man

655
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Speaker 1: to be honest. Somebody be honest. He was real quiet.

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Speaker 1: It didn't say much. That's all I can say about it.

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Speaker 1: He was no, he didn't seem he seemed like he

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Speaker 1: had some things going on that he needed to get out.

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Speaker 1: What it was, I didn't know, but for my recollection

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Speaker 1: it was I could. I could sense it may have

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Speaker 1: there something had something to do with his mom's and

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Speaker 1: the illness that she's dealing with. It seemed like there

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Speaker 1: was something Meldon wanted to tell us, And after pausing,

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Speaker 1: he opened up, I'm gonna be honest. Wish uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was cute. I think he did

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Speaker 1: that on his own. It was just too much evidence

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00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: that I heard. I mean, and I just I just

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: know how to think, and you put stuff together and

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Speaker 1: you know, like if you can. This is what I

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Speaker 1: was talking about. When they found him hanging, there was

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Speaker 1: a cheer there. They did an autopsy, and this is

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Speaker 1: where I went in. They did an autopsy, no signs

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Speaker 1: of a struggle, no stalls, nothing. If you finished someone

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Speaker 1: trying to hang you, just this is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: This one trying to hang you, You're trying to fight,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna end up with some type of skulls of

677
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Speaker 1: Bruce somewhere. That man had nothing if a cheer was found,

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Speaker 1: No bruises, no nothing. The son killed himself, and she

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Speaker 1: don't want me to tell her that. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: do so because I don't want to make her think

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Speaker 1: like I'm trying to be against her, because I'm not.

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Speaker 1: But all honestly, her son killed himself. Meldon wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only person that day who told us they believe Danye

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Speaker 1: died by suicide. A couple other people who wanted to

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Speaker 1: remain anonymous told us they didn't believe he was murdered

686
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: for basically the same reasons. They would note the chair

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00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: found near the tree where Danielle was hanged, They would

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Speaker 1: point out that his body didn't have any wounds on it,

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Speaker 1: and they would mention that Danyae was kind of a

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Speaker 1: quiet guy. Over the course of our time looking into

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Speaker 1: his death, people would describe Dania differently based on how

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Speaker 1: close they were to him, which doesn't seem strange at all.

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Speaker 1: People acquainted with Danie would say that he was quiet

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Speaker 1: or introverted, while those who knew him well would describe

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Speaker 1: him as very funny and goofy. But Melton and these

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00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: other individuals were right. It is possible that Danie died

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Speaker 1: by suicide. While up to this point we did feel

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Speaker 1: that the investigation into his death was lacking and that

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00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: there did seem to be some odd reasoning on the

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Speaker 1: part of Saint Louis County regarding certain details, we hadn't

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Speaker 1: yet found anything incontrovertible that would flip the narrative on

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Speaker 1: its head. We hoped desperately that getting into Danie's phone

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Speaker 1: would lead us to some new insight or contact that

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Speaker 1: would help us nail down what happened to him definitively,

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Speaker 1: regardless of outcome. And now we had the handful of

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Speaker 1: pass codes the Deja had given us, so we left

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Speaker 1: the memorial events and met Melissa at the Starbucks and

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Speaker 1: Ferguson so we could sit down and see if one

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Speaker 1: of those pass codes would work. That's next time on

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Speaker 1: After the Uprising. After the Uprising is directed, produced, investigated,

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