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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Shoe Getty arm Strong

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Speaker 2: But he should have taken it serious in allowed the

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Speaker 2: United States to engage. President Trump is the only one

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Speaker 2: that could have prevented this war from taking place. And

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Speaker 2: President Trump now is cleaning out the mess of Biden

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Speaker 2: He will negotiate an end to this war. He wants

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Speaker 2: to see the war ended, regardless of how that takes place.

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Speaker 2: He wants to see a win for Ukraine and a

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Speaker 2: win for Russia at the same time, because there's a

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Speaker 2: lose lose going on for both growth countries.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: People are dying, and the President said he wants people

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Speaker 2: to stop dying.

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Speaker 1: As Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, friend of the Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Getty Show, we're in the stage of Trump communication where

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Speaker 1: Trump says something outrageous and sometimes ridiculous, and then his

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Speaker 1: allies reinterpret it for us in a more sane way.

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Speaker 1: And I want to talk about, you know, some of

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Speaker 1: the things Trump said and done lately is they try

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Speaker 1: to move toward a solution of the Ukraine Russian conflict specifically,

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Speaker 1: but first a general discussion with Mike Lyons, military analyst

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Speaker 1: to Mike served with various military organizations in both the

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Speaker 1: US and Europe throughout his career and joints US. Now, Mike,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 3: Good? Good?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's always a pleasure, thank you. So before we

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Speaker 1: thing right now, you're a student of history as we

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Speaker 1: know it is, I think beyond question that there is

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Speaker 1: a serious change in the chemistry the magnetic fields. However

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Speaker 1: you want to describe it post World War Two, NATO

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Speaker 5: I'd start at nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety when the

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Speaker 5: Soviet Union falls as the West completely screws up what

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Speaker 5: happened of the Russian Empire back then? And you go

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Speaker 5: back at that point, had you know, NATO wins the

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Speaker 5: Cold War and Russian's bankrupt. Ronald Reagan a lot of

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Speaker 5: The West decided to bring countries into NATO one at

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Speaker 5: to be a stable way to go, as opposed to

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Speaker 5: First World War started. So we're seeing now the effects

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Speaker 5: And then very clearly Joe Biden when he was president,

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Speaker 5: And now we're faced with a NATO that's disarmed on

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Speaker 4: The last twelve years.

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Speaker 5: Historians are going to look back at the European countries

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Speaker 1: Which leads me beautifully to the next topic I'm on

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And the thing is, we needed each of those

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Speaker 5: I can't even connect these dots, or whoever thought they

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Speaker 4: But what's happened is and then go back to Germany.

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Speaker 5: You know, they've they've gotten rid of all their nuclear

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Speaker 4: The world runs on energy.

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Speaker 4: So you kind of bring all this together.

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Speaker 5: same for today. You've got to have a military presence

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Speaker 4: And all of those countries, to include England.

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Speaker 5: England is no less guilty in any of these countries

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Speaker 5: Some of these countries really risk losing their cultures, losing

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Speaker 1: Them well, and every sign is that they have no

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Speaker 1: lot of hope. So let's get a little more specific

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, he said some outrageous things. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 5: It's unjustifiable, and the Russian aggression is something that has

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Speaker 5: the same thing over and over again. We land European

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Speaker 4: I'd like to know exactly which troops.

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Speaker 5: There's less than one hundred thousand active duty troops that

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Speaker 4: I mean, they might as well be Portugal, they might

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Speaker 5: Know, some some mid Atlantic uh, you know, the Middle

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Speaker 5: I think I think the question is I think we're

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Speaker 5: Pete Heiks that said the quiet part out loud. Russia

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Speaker 5: Lato won't be won't be bringing in Ukraine anytime soon,

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Speaker 5: and they'll be lucky to get some some EU you know,

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Speaker 1: And honestly, whatever's next is not going to play out

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Speaker 1: the next thirty years. So we'll all find out together.

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Speaker 1: Military analyst Mike Lyons online, Mike, we're really putting you

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Speaker 1: through the paces today, and we appreciated another topic speaking

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Speaker 1: of Pete Hegzeth and in Trump's order to take a

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Speaker 1: serious look at the Pentagon, cut budgets, cut the fat.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that in general? And you,

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Speaker 1: and inefficiency of the Pentagon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they go through this every once in a while.

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Speaker 4: They've tried a couple of different administrations.

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Speaker 5: What you're seeing though, is Pete Heggsuff being very overly transparent.

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Speaker 4: He put about an eight minute video out.

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Speaker 5: Last night with regard to what that was going to

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Speaker 4: So I think he's looking to knock down some of

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Speaker 5: Some of those stilos are calcified, I'll put it that way,

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Speaker 5: I think that's what Pete wants to do. Up He's

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Speaker 4: But when you think about if the Pentagon is the.

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Speaker 5: Most the largest discretionary budget that we have right now,

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Speaker 1: I think is foolish. Final question, speaking of our military

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Speaker 5: I think our greatest strength remains this intangible of being

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Speaker 4: I think anytime you see.

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Speaker 5: it in corporate America sometimes. But but there's this thing

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Speaker 4: Wants to be part of this thing.

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Speaker 5: When when when push comes to shove, when a mission

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Speaker 4: We're going to you know, look left and look right

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Speaker 5: So I think our greatest strength is this tangible that

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, stay with us, Lanhi chennext, Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 8: Cut jobs, save the government money, sant Americans a check

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Speaker 1: Where He's gone too far?

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Speaker 3: A slim majority using presidential power fifty two percent say

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Speaker 6: Chainsaw for bureaucracy, turns off change saw a variety of

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Speaker 1: Who better to discuss this with than Lanhi Chen, David

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Speaker 3: How are you great to be with you?

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Speaker 1: you know, like the president's virtually the only person in

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Speaker 1: the executive branch who is elected. But the idea that

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Speaker 1: a huge chunk of the executive branch wouldn't be answerable

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Speaker 1: to the voters at all, except, like, you know, three

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Speaker 1: steps down the line. While I fear unchecked executive power.

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Speaker 1: If the executive is in charge, they can do good

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Speaker 1: things and be rewarded with reelection or their party or reelection.

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Speaker 1: But if they do bad things, they can be voted out.

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Speaker 1: Right now, if the giant, sprawling executive branch does bad things,

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Speaker 1: what the hell do I do about it?

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Speaker 3: Well, This is the most important thing that people don't realize,

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Speaker 3: which is that there is actually check on what the

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Speaker 3: executive branch can do. And that's Congress.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: If Congress actually did its job and was functional as

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Speaker 3: opposed to just being a bunch of people running around

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Speaker 3: yelling all the time. If Congress actually yeah, if Congress

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Speaker 3: actually functioned the way Congress is supposed to function, that's

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Speaker 3: your check on the executive branch, right, that's your check

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Speaker 3: on what the executive is doing. They have the oversight power.

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Speaker 3: They can have hearings, they can run legislation, they can

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Speaker 3: do all sorts of stuff to constrain if they're really

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Speaker 3: worried about if Chuck Schumer and Democrats and the have

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Speaker 3: Hakeem Jeffreyes and all the rest, if they're really worried

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Speaker 3: about what the executive branch is doing, if they're worried

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Speaker 3: about what those is doing, they have the ability in

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Speaker 3: Congress to try and work together with Republicans there to

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Speaker 3: figure out a way to conduct oversite. They can conduct

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Speaker 3: oversite on their own, by the way, they don't need

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Speaker 3: Republicans to do it necessarily. So the idea that there's

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Speaker 3: no check on the executive first of all, you're right,

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Speaker 3: the voters can set a check. But more importantly, Congress

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Speaker 3: needs to do its job, and Congress completely seated the

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Speaker 3: playing field in a lot of waste the executive. This

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Speaker 3: is not a Trump problem. This happened during the Biden administration,

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Speaker 3: has happened during Obama. That the Congress has just gotten

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Speaker 3: less and less willing to do its job. And that's problem.

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Speaker 1: Is it just that if they're not on the record

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Speaker 1: having done anything, they can't be blamed for anything going wrong.

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Speaker 1: Where does this cowardice, laziness, whatever it is come from.

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Speaker 3: Well, part of it is that the incentives for members

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Speaker 3: of Congress are really different now than they work for

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: Now it's all about.

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Speaker 3: How many likes can I get on social media, how

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Speaker 3: can I generate a following on social media? How can

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Speaker 3: I do all of that, as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 3: where I think there were members of Congress that did

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Speaker 3: the hard work of actually trying to get things done.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's been a few decades since

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Speaker 3: we've really seen a lot of that activity. But I

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Speaker 3: think part of it is the incentive structure has changed.

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Speaker 3: And then part of it is, you know, unfortunately I

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Speaker 3: do think we're electing in a lot of places more

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Speaker 3: extreme members of Congress who are really more interested in

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Speaker 3: advancing ideology than actually passing legislation and getting the done. Now,

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Speaker 3: some of that's the reflection of us as the American people,

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Speaker 3: becoming more more polarized and more ideological in some ways.

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Speaker 3: But overall, I do think that the composition of Congress,

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Speaker 3: the nature of Congress who were sending to Congress, all

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Speaker 3: of these things have impacted quite frankly, Congress's ability to

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Speaker 3: do its job and congress members of Congress's willingness to

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Speaker 3: do their job.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a big and that's a big and we

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Speaker 1: don't really have time to talk about how to reform

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Speaker 1: our entire primary process. Yeah, and the rest of it. Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what I was going to ask, and I'm debating,

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Speaker 1: can you hang on for a few minutes through a break?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, because what I was going to ask, because

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Speaker 1: folks like me and perhaps you are more than willing

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Speaker 1: to geek out on the you know, the inside baseball

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Speaker 1: structural stuff a government and then forget to explain what

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Speaker 1: a success reigning in the giant bureaucratic state would look

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Speaker 1: like to real human beings in their lives. So why

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Speaker 1: don't we take a break, catch our breath, and let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what it would look on look like on

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Speaker 1: main Street. If that sounds good to you, be here,

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Speaker 1: beautiful Lanhi Chen of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, more

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Speaker 1: to come. Thank you for tuning in, Armstrong and Getty here.

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Speaker 1: Jack is off for today, but we're pleased to have

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Speaker 1: terrific guests like Lanhi Chen of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Alanhi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for hanging around. We really appreciate it. And so

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Speaker 1: for folks just tuning in especially, we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: and a lot of this has gone on unnoticed or

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Speaker 1: untalked about by many people in the media in the

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Speaker 1: midst of Trump cutting, you know, transgender polo matches for

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Speaker 1: Dubai or whatever the heck. A lot of the serious

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Speaker 1: looking at and rejiggering the administrative state, all these commissions

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Speaker 1: and boards and making everybody go through all the rules

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Speaker 1: and see if any of the rules violate the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: exceed legislative power, go beyond the clear words of the

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Speaker 1: Congressional Statute, harm the national interest, a stripping down of

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Speaker 1: the gigantic administrative state, and those of us who've been

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Speaker 1: praying for that sort of thing are super excited. But

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Speaker 1: as I said before the break lawn, he can we

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Speaker 1: help understand, help people understand rather how that helps their lives,

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Speaker 1: you know in everywhere America.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we want an effective and efficient government, right

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Speaker 3: and obviously everyone wants government to do things that's supposed

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Speaker 3: to do. But when you have I think there's a

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Speaker 3: couple of issues. One is when you have government that's

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Speaker 3: grown so big and particularly has so many people that

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Speaker 3: it becomes kind of a constituency in and of itself, right,

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Speaker 3: that it becomes about defending the institution, which really means

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Speaker 3: making sure that nothing ever changes. What you end up with, fortunately,

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Speaker 3: is a situation where government doesn't have to improve. I mean,

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Speaker 3: let's just compare that to a minute to let's just

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Speaker 3: think about a business.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you think about a business, the reason why businesses improve,

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Speaker 3: really the only reason why they improve is because of competition.

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Speaker 3: And you've got a marketplace where you've got different businesses

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Speaker 3: competing for people's support and for people's business, and that

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Speaker 3: ends up forcing them to improve and to change and

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Speaker 3: to evolve. Think about government for a minute. What forces

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Speaker 3: government to change and evolve and get better. The answer

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Speaker 3: is nothing on a regular basis unless you apply some

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Speaker 3: sort of pressure. There is no competition. There's no other

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Speaker 3: government out there that's going to do national security, that's

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Speaker 3: going to do processing to make sure that we have

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Speaker 3: clean air and clean water. That you don't have that

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Speaker 3: unless you apply some political pressure on government to do better.

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Speaker 3: And that is fundamentally why we need to think about

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Speaker 3: some of these changes that are going on. You know,

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Speaker 3: are some of them unorthodox, Are some of them going

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Speaker 3: to raise eyebrows? Sure, but fundamentally, the only way government

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Speaker 3: gets better is if you apply some pressure on it

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Speaker 3: to be more efficient and more effective. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: here's another thing, Joe, that really drives me nuts is transparency.

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Speaker 3: If you look at, for example, in California where I'm sitting,

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Speaker 3: the lack of transparency we have into what government is

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Speaker 3: doing and spending money on is remarkable. And at the

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Speaker 3: federal level we've got some similar issues. It's not as

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Speaker 3: bad as it is in California, But why can't we,

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Speaker 3: as the people who fund government, have a better idea

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Speaker 3: of what government's spending our money on. This is something

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Speaker 3: that's always drove me. Thats is why I ran for

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Speaker 3: controller several years ago. It's why I continue to believe

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Speaker 3: we've got to push this transparency message because if we

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Speaker 3: don't know what government is doing, it can ever get better.

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Speaker 3: We can't ever make it do the things that's supposed

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Speaker 3: to do, and instead it ends up doing things that

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Speaker 3: after the fact we read about it, we're like, what

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Speaker 3: our money's been going to?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: Because no one was able to see along the way

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Speaker 3: where all that money was going. So anyway, I'll get

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Speaker 3: off my soapbox now, but I really think transparency is

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Speaker 3: hugely important.

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Speaker 1: Well so, and how that lands on main street though

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Speaker 1: is number one. We're not being stolen from and our

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Speaker 1: tax money merely distributed to cronies. That is what I

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Speaker 1: would like very much. But secondly, wouldn't we see less

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Speaker 1: regulation therefore more efficient economic growth and change and that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing and rising wages? I just think I

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Speaker 1: think scaling back the administrative state would have a specific

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Speaker 1: material benefit to average Americans wherever they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, look aside from people getting better

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Speaker 3: service and having a government that's more responsive. You're right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, not to get too wonky about this, but

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Speaker 3: there is always this worry about government crowding out the

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Speaker 3: private sector, and what that means is that the government

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Speaker 3: becomes so big that it starts to make it difficult

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Speaker 3: for you know, private entrepreneurs and small business owners to

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Speaker 3: do what they're doing. And the more debt we take on,

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Speaker 3: the more people are going to have to pay in

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Speaker 3: taxes to pay off debt. And why we why do

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Speaker 3: we carry debt? We carry debt to have a bigger government.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, there is a real impact for people

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Speaker 3: on main street, and that is that if government gets bigger,

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Speaker 3: taxes go up and people pay more because we have

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Speaker 3: to pay more to support the mechanism of government that's

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Speaker 3: been created. So there is a direct effect on our

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Speaker 3: pocketbooks and something that that people.

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Speaker 1: Need to be aware of. And just you know, a

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Speaker 1: personal example. I've been very fortunate, Jack and I have

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Speaker 1: done well in this business. I'm reasonably financially comfortable, but

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Speaker 1: my taxes are breathtaking. And if I were not paying

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Speaker 1: those taxes like that, It's not like I would go

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Speaker 1: out and buy a yacht. I would love to invest

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Speaker 1: in smart people with great ideas. That's what I would

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Speaker 1: do if I was not spending X amount of money

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Speaker 1: on taxes and help them grow their businesses and hire

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people and to get start an insurance

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Speaker 1: plan and the rest of it. So yeah, the idea

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Speaker 1: that government crowds out free enterprise and private enterprise is

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Speaker 1: absolutely true. So Alanie, we appreciate the time and thoughts

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Speaker 1: anything else on what the Trump administration is doing domestically

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Speaker 1: that's got you excited or you're feeling really good about.

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Speaker 3: Well, Joe, I mean, look, I think the some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff that the doge is doing in terms of

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Speaker 3: right sizing government, I think that's long overdue, quite frankly.

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Speaker 3: But what I would also say is we've got a president.

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Speaker 3: I mean, whether you like what he's doing or not,

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Speaker 3: he's doing something okay, And I think that that is

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Speaker 3: fundamentally what in many ways in our in our country,

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Speaker 3: we feel like we've been lacking this. We've been lacking

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Speaker 3: this kind of leadership and direction. And we can have

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Speaker 3: a real debate about whether all of these things are

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Speaker 3: right or wrong, whether we like everything that's happening, whether

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Speaker 3: we think the direction that's that the US is taking

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Speaker 3: around the world is the right one. But fundamentally, we

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Speaker 3: have an action oriented executive branch and an action oriented government,

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Speaker 3: and maybe we can kind of wake everyone up and

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Speaker 3: sort of say, listen, there's some things that have to

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Speaker 3: get done here, and there's some ways in which we

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Speaker 3: need to push forward to improve our country. And I

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Speaker 3: just think that we can have a real debate over

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Speaker 3: these things and this level of activity and action that

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Speaker 3: is truly exciting to be and you know, let's see

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Speaker 3: where it goes.

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Speaker 1: Lanhi Chen of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Lonie is

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: Yep, great to be with you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, thanks and to Chuck Schumer and those who have

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Speaker 1: been denigrating the Supreme Court and talking about how it's

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Speaker 1: illegitimate and the rest of it. The plan is all

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Speaker 1: the stuff we've been talking about to really look at

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Speaker 1: the foundations of the giant, obese Washington Colossus and dragged

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. Questions like these commissions and boards

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Speaker 1: and departments of since they're no longer doing what Congress

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Speaker 1: told them to do and they're not accountable to the

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Speaker 1: executive agent, the executive branch, can we end them or

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Speaker 1: how can we trim them and restructure them? And if

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Speaker 1: it runs a foul of any constitutional principles we have,

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Speaker 1: thank God and Trump. Frankly, we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: constitutionalist judges who are very, very protective of the bones

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Speaker 1: of the Constitution, the original intents of the Constitution. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's the perfect circumstance. We've got an agent

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Speaker 1: of change and agents of stability that are going to

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Speaker 1: work together to make the government better for all of us.

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Speaker 1: Hey la hey, law I love it. Stay with us,

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty