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Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 1: When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come

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Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no gifts. Your presences

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wine girl.

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Speaker 2: We're back in the backyard as kind of as usual

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Speaker 2: little surprise recording thing is Stephen Ray Morris, the former

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Speaker 2: producer of the podcast, is here recording today. We've put

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Speaker 2: our feud aside. We're no longer well at least for

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Speaker 2: today we're speaking. So I'm very happy to have him here.

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Speaker 2: And so if there's like an extra level of danger

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Speaker 2: Rich Summer Rich. Welcome to I said, Nogif, thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me. It's so nice to have you here.

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Speaker 2: In the I think it's probably ninety degrees.

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Speaker 3: It's very hot.

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Speaker 4: It's hot to the point that when I was driving here,

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Speaker 4: phobic of being late. I just I hate it, and

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Speaker 3: I held it in front of the air conditioning.

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Speaker 4: I waited for it to cool down enough that it

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that was an option for the phone.

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Speaker 3: But it's quite warm today.

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Speaker 4: little more airflow. Maybe that's part of it. You've had

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Speaker 4: the heat on. I did have the heat on. I

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Speaker 4: like to run hot, ridger. This is nothing.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest. You showed up sweating that's drenched.

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Speaker 2: Please, thank you. I can go get you a gown

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Speaker 4: I'm not a car person. I don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe they go off a jump and then leap

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Speaker 3: I'm anti freedom.

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Speaker 2: One should have any choice in anything, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: About love assignment, I'd like to be assigned things.

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Speaker 4: Well, what how comfortable are you with me discussing just

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Speaker 2: Well, as long as we don't say the address, and

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Speaker 4: I don't ordinarily come to this exact area, except lately

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of pinball. Yeah, I love pinball?

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Speaker 2: What am I talking about? I just haven't played it

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Speaker 2: And then the place that kind of doesn't have a name.

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Speaker 4: It has a name, but it's one of those names

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Speaker 4: I mean I've always enjoyed it, and then I had

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Speaker 4: I own a virtual pinball machine. Okay, so this is

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Speaker 4: But then it's it's all monitors, and so you can

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Speaker 2: So what is the benefit. I mean, if it were

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Speaker 2: that's great for a home, But this thing is occupying

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Speaker 4: It's just that you can play pretty much any pinball

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Speaker 3: You can play it on there.

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Speaker 4: You can download it some you know, there's a whole

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Speaker 4: community of programmers. And I'm not adept in this at all.

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Speaker 4: I just download them and say thank you and install

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Speaker 4: But you have access to almost any pinball table that's

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Speaker 2: That is incredible. So are they photographing the machines and

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Speaker 2: then uploading them.

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Speaker 4: They scan the playfields and then they build elements in there.

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Speaker 4: I mean they take months to a year or more

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Speaker 4: because they can't be paid any right.

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Speaker 3: Copyright illegal? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Wow? So is there some level of piracy involved?

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent, A full level of piracy, abject piracy.

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Speaker 2: I love to hear it. I love there. So you

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Speaker 2: don't beyond paying for the virtual pinball And I hate

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Speaker 2: to paint you as a criminal.

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Speaker 3: No, it's fine. I've admitted as well.

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Speaker 2: You did just kind of give me all this information.

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Speaker 2: So you buy the machine and then the pinball stuff

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Speaker 4: Have a fistfight where what your ball is the punching

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Speaker 2: Yes, who sings pinball Wizard?

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, That makes sense. Okay, well, I don't

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Speaker 4: It is some place some machine like the newest Machines.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy for you that you found this thing.

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Speaker 2: I have a very natural barfly energy I could exude. Well,

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Speaker 3: Up every time I see him relentless. Yes, he's an

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00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 3: awful person.

445
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean the pinball, the pinball, the magic tricks. This

446
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 2: is now it feels like you're training to be the

447
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 2: villain in every Goosebumps book. I feel, yes, yes, what

448
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: will be next? What will be the.

449
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 4: Something that obviously is solitary and a high level of

450
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 4: sort of nerdery and that no one really wants.

451
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 2: To do with me, right, a level of dark whimsy.

452
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 2: That's right, that's the hero of the Goosebumps book gets

453
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 2: wrapped up in And well that's very interesting. Well, we've

454
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 2: got to we have to stop to laying. I haven't

455
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: even opened the gift yet, because magic gets in the way.

456
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 2: Magic always gets always. Okay, I'm going to reach in here.

457
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: There seems to be an should I look at this first? Sure,

458
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: I got to get in here. It's just just b

459
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: W very casual. I will say, sorry, Oh you've got

460
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 2: some nice station Era thank you, says Rs rich Summer.

461
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: Dear Bridger, Please forgive my insolence, but I've chosen my

462
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: desire to bring you a gift over your insistence not

463
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: to Rich Summer. So there's just an insult just right

464
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: off the top of the bat.

465
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Well.

466
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: I've made clear that I am aware of the fact

467
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 4: that I'm disobeying.

468
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: You were going to be difficult, and you just wanted

469
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: to clear the air right ahead. I appreciate that. Okay,

470
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: let's get some tissue. I feel like we're not getting

471
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: enough tissue on this podcast recently.

472
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: And there's a theme.

473
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: There are two items in this bat Okay, there's a

474
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 4: theme that very loosely connects them.

475
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: That's okay, I'm very excited about. Okay, we're pulling out

476
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: the first thing. Should I bring them out both at once,

477
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: one at a time. Okay, We've got I'm going to

478
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: destroy some car speakers.

479
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: Reaching through your head.

480
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: Screaming, Oh, this looks very collectible to me. This is

481
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 2: a Cracked magazine from November of nineteen ninety. That's right,

482
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 2: that's right, and it has Bart Simpson and an exclusive

483
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: Simpson's interview, and Bart is kind of shooting a slingshot

484
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: at the Ninja Turtles, Raphael at least RoboCop, Dick Tracy,

485
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 2: Arnold Schwarzenegger from something he's in.

486
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: Plaid maybe oh yes, yeah, maybe Last Action Hero.

487
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: And then Marty and Doc. That's right, Well, I should

488
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: win a prize for naming all. But actually there's there

489
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 2: are two guys on there that I don't recognize. Who

490
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: are these two?

491
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 4: Oh it's another forty eight hours. I think it's Nick Nltien.

492
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh Eddie Murphy.

493
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: Apologies to both of those men. Okay, what's going on here?

494
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 4: So the theme I'll just tell you is magazines that

495
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: I purchased on eBay.

496
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh I love this field because I've often been tempted.

497
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: Oh good, okay, well this this one in particular. They

498
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: both have some significance to my life, this one more

499
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: so than the other one. But I'll tell you in

500
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: this if I'm may please, I just want to flip

501
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: to a particular page. And the reason I felt comfortable

502
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: bringing this here is I accidentally purchased two copies of it,

503
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 4: so I have done for myself.

504
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: I love to be an accident benefit of an accident

505
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: bridge your line.

506
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: Benefit of an accident?

507
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: Okay, it won't belong now, sure, rich Is it's just

508
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 4: quietly reading.

509
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: It looks like he's just going to consume the whole magazine.

510
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: It's really great stuff. And now looking at the table

511
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 4: of contract to see if I can Oh, there it is,

512
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: page seventeen. Why didn't I look that up first?

513
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: He didn't know this magazine as well as he thought.

514
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: That's right, So I will draw the letters page and

515
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: this letter.

516
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, so he's opened the letters page

517
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 2: and there is Maybe I'll read the letter first, Dear Brand.

518
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: Besides Brand X, I love Warren Beattie meets the real

519
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: Dick Tracy. I liked the way the Cracked interviewer came

520
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: on the scene. And Nanny Dickering never heard this name book.

521
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: No, she's a character.

522
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Is Nanny Dickering? I mean? And gave the secret password. Hi,

523
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: it's me any face. And that's that was written by

524
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: none other than Rich Summer in Stillwater, Minnesota. That's right,

525
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: that's incredible. Were you did you frequently write into the magazine?

526
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 4: I this was not the only letter that I wrote

527
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: to Cracked, Nor is that the full body of the

528
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: letter that I wrote to Cracked that time, when I

529
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: would write to Crack, it would be a page or

530
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 4: a page and a half handwritten in twelve year old scrawl.

531
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: And this cutting. I just remember my excitement at seeing

532
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: my name in the magazine fame, and then the instant

533
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: disappointment at the cutting of the letter that I've written,

534
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: because it is only.

535
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: Me kissing their.

536
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Ass basically, And the rest of the letter was a manifesto,

537
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: that's rights.

538
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 3: I had so much more I wanted to get out there.

539
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 4: Most of the letters I wrote to Cracked where ninety

540
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: percent manifesto and then some little blurb that they would

541
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: always print. I'm clearly so first off brand besides brand X.

542
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: They referred to Mad Magazine as brand as.

543
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: Oh interesting or number one competitor.

544
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: And by number one competitor, I mean Mad Magazine stomped

545
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: the guts of Cracked magazine Forever. Every friend I had

546
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: loved Mad magazine. I was the only Cracked fan.

547
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: Knowing very little about either, I leaned towards Cracked.

548
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: Really, yes, oh that makes me I feel like.

549
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: It's a more tasteful magazine.

550
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that you'll find that to be true.

551
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 4: If you flick through this, I.

552
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Think it's a more interesting magazine.

553
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: I did too. I thought it was funnier.

554
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 4: But all of my friends read MAD because it's the

555
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: one that you get, So that's the brand besides brand X.

556
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 4: This way I wrote this, and then I'm just clearly

557
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 4: talking about. First off, Dick Tracy, the movie Dick Tracy.

558
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: I saw it the drive in when I when it

559
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: first came out. When I would go to the drive in,

560
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 4: you know, you got them the sound from the speakers

561
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 4: on your radio right right, and I would take with

562
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: me my grandmother had given me a mint green miniature boombox,

563
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: and I would put a cassette in or several cassettes

564
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: and record the audio began. Correct, that's right. That's why

565
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 4: the path was lame. And I would just listen to

566
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: these movies over and over because it was fun. You know,

567
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 4: I didn't have tvds. We had a BCR, but didn't

568
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: have HBO or anything, so it was just a fun

569
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: way for me to keep the movie going. So Dick

570
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 4: Tracy was one of those movies. And when it was

571
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: in Cracked, I mean, for me, it was the marriage

572
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: of my moment.

573
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: An early collab that's right. That's it. Do you remember

574
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: what the rest of this letter had to say? Do

575
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: you have any recollection?

576
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: None?

577
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: Again, one of several letters that that I wrote to

578
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: Cracked magazine.

579
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: That is incredible, And so these tapes you would just

580
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: do feel like you have Dick Tracy memorized on some level.

581
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: No, but there I'll still hear a quote from the

582
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: movie that I have familiarity with that's deeper than having

583
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: seen a trailer over and over or anything like that.

584
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: There's they're still in there somewhere. Wow. But I couldn't

585
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: access it. I couldn't even give you one one line

586
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: from it.

587
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: What was exactly the hook of Dick Tracy. Obviously he's

588
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: a detective, but what else is going on there? He

589
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: had a cool watch, that kind of a high tech watch.

590
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: I had like a radio watch. So he was kind

591
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: some level sci fi.

592
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think he was.

593
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: He just had access to that one gadget. He wasn't

594
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: like James Bond, right, He didn't have a lot of

595
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: sort of technical know how. He just kicked down doors

596
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: and you know, had test true heart on his arm.

597
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: And I well, part of my love of Dick Tracy,

598
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: I mentioned shrinks.

599
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: They've been a part of my life forever.

600
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 4: And when I was in fifth grade, I had to

601
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: go to one and he had in his waiting room

602
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: a big omnibus of Dick Tracy comics.

603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

604
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: So I would read these comics whenever I went I

605
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: would find where I had left off and reading. And

606
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: I was so excited when the movie came out because

607
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: you'd see some of the characters that you had read

608
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 4: about in His Soul coming, and those kind when I

609
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 4: was reading them in the late eighties were already fifty

610
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 4: years old, right forty years old, so they when the

611
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 4: movie Dick Tracy came out, I was one of the

612
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: few people at my school who had sort of a

613
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: leg up on knowing who the hell was and what

614
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: the point.

615
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: Was and does Dick Tracy are the villains in it?

616
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: I feel like every one of them has a horrifying face.

617
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all very strange. I mean, it's sort of

618
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: like if a nine year old drew bad Guys. There

619
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 4: was little face, which was a person with a sort

620
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: of a slightly larger than average head, and then just

621
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: a tiny face in the middle.

622
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh, this is horrible.

623
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that those kinds of things.

624
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: So it's kind of bumbling his way through this world

625
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: of mutants, that's right, solving crimes with this this more

626
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: sci fi than I've allowed. Yeah, this is I need

627
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: to revisit. I have a very very dim memory of

628
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: seeing the movie. Remember the watch and just kind of

629
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: garbage pale esque faces on every villain.

630
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: That's exactly well, particularly of that. You know, the garbage

631
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: pale Kid's movie had come out just a couple of

632
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: years before.

633
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was a movie.

634
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: Oh, it is a well known travesty.

635
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: Oh oh ridgard I beg of you to go if

636
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: not watch it, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't dream of

637
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: forcing you to watch it, but I would ask you

638
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: to just read up a little bit on the reception

639
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 4: that movie received. It wasn't great. It was thick with

640
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: controversy and a very you know, parents were upset by

641
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: garbage pil kids. Anyway, I had a good, a good

642
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: sized collection, and when I was eight years old and

643
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: we moved from Ohio to Minnesota, my dad said everything

644
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: in the room could come except for those garbage pail kids.

645
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: So they were they were you know, parents really hated them.

646
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: And then they had the gall to make a movie

647
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: about them, and it was it was not met.

648
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: Well is the movie live action?

649
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: It is?

650
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to see this.

651
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: Those things, like you said, those garbage pil kids like

652
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: faces from Dick Tracy, I mean, true monstrosities.

653
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: It is horrifying.

654
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: Is there a like an act human being in the

655
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: movie or something?

656
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's not.

657
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: I don't think it's Leah Thompson because I think I'm

658
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: complating with Howard the Duck, But it's someone like that,

659
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 4: it is. It's in that family though, of the Dick Tracy,

660
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: Howard the Duck, garbage pail Kids, teenage mutant ninja turtles,

661
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: live action, They're all sort of things that you just

662
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: can't believe someone thought were good ideas.

663
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: Well, the power of animatronics was really going full blast

664
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I think we got out of control.

665
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: But these are even beyond These are foam things that

666
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: humans are wearing.

667
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's are adults playing the babies.

668
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it's awful. It's so terrible.

669
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: Do the garbage pail Kids have an origin story?

670
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: I think so. I don't know they they.

671
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sure that movie tried to ascertain what the

672
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: origin was, and people were so distracted by what their

673
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 4: eyes couldn't hand.

674
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You can't get an explanation for a

675
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: why a bunch of kids ended up in garbage cans

676
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: without it feeling bad forever? Yes, yes, wow, I had

677
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: no idea. Obviously familiar with Howard the Duck, but this

678
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: does feel exactly in that territory. So I've got to

679
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: look that up. That sounds disgusting, it's awful. Well, let

680
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: me get back into the back here. Let's see what

681
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: this other magazine is. I hope it's just a national

682
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: geographic from this month. Let's see. We're pulling it out,

683
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: pulling Oh wow, this is another this so this is

684
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: a Time magazine from what year is this?

685
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: Sixty four?

686
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: Sixty four? And who? I don't even know who Pierre

687
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Salinger is.

688
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: Pierre Salinger was Kennedy's secretary, Okay, I should know this.

689
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: The reason I have that is I purchased it for research.

690
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: I wanted to give that to you because I want

691
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: it did out of my home as well. Again, I was.

692
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: I bought this magazine because I was cast as Pierre

693
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: Salinger in a movie and it was one of the

694
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: most thrilling notions in my career. A very small role

695
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: in a movie called LBJ, directed by Rob Reiner, starring

696
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: Woody Harrelson as Lyndon Baines Johnson. And I was so

697
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: excited for this movie everything about it. Five weeks in

698
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: New Orleans. I had never been to New Orleans. It

699
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: was just perfect. The movie is great. It's not about

700
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: the movie. It's my performance in the movie. It is

701
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: one of my I don't want my kids to see it. Really,

702
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: I'm just and look, if you watch it, you probably

703
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: would be like, it's not it's not that right. It's

704
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: not great, but it's not that bad.

705
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: For me.

706
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: It's such a swing and a miss. I had such goals.

707
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: I had never played a historical figure before, so I

708
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: wanted to dig in. I watched so many, you know,

709
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: reels of Pierre Salinger delivering speeches and tried to kind

710
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: of learn his manners of For my combined eleven lines

711
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: in this movie, I gained weight.

712
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: To try and look up. I really went over the top.

713
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: And I watched that movie the first time that I

714
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: saw it, and I just sank into my chair and thought, oh,

715
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: that's not what it felt like coming out of my face.

716
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: Oh but that's what it looks like. Uh, it didn't.

717
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 4: It's not my proudest work. I enjoyed the movie I'm

718
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: talking about.

719
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: So curious about did Pierre have like a unique voice?

720
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Well?

721
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: I decided he did despite all evidence.

722
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: Correct.

723
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: I think if you watch him speaking, it's one of those. Again,

724
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: if I could go back in time, I would. I

725
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: would say to myself, sitting on the couch, no, no, no, no, no,

726
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: it's just an old timey movie. The sound is different.

727
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean it is speaking of Dictor.

728
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: Such shame, Bridger, such shame.

729
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: And I remember sitting on the set and it's one

730
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: of those where again I retro actively interpret the way

731
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: people looked at me. You know, someone would throw me

732
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: a glance on set, and now I go, oh, they

733
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 4: were wondering what the fuck I was doing. They weren't.

734
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: No one told me.

735
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: They would just sort of look at me, and I

736
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: would go, oh, oh, that's what that meant. I wondered why,

737
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: you know Rob Reiner looked at me that way. He

738
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: didn't say anything to me.

739
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. It's that you're an excellent action.

740
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: Look, I appreciate you, you're a good act but This

741
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: is what I will say, is uh. I describe it

742
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: as this when I have done a play and night

743
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: after night you're trying to sort of for me, at least,

744
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: I'm I'm seeking some perfect performance. I know that's unattainable,

745
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: but that's sort of My goal is to make it

746
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: better every time. And those nights where it's off to me,

747
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: they feel profoundly off. To anyone else on stage or

748
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: in the audience, it might be half a degree off

749
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: from where it was yesterday. And I will leave at

750
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: nights like I don't know. I'm not going out to

751
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: get drinks. I'm just going home and like looking at

752
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: my lines again, and everyone else would say, why, what's wrong?

753
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: It's just a feeling a rhythm was off, something wasn't on.

754
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: That's how I feel about this. I'm again sure that

755
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: if you looked at it, you would not be bowled over.

756
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: And if this was the only bit of my work

757
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: that you ever saw, you might not be chomping at

758
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: the bit and see me again. But I don't think

759
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: you'd feel the horror that I feel in watching that

760
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: the two times that I've seen it and ever will

761
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: see it.

762
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: How why do you think you get casting a lot

763
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: of period pieces. Do you feel like you have an

764
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: old passioned energy or do you think it's mad Men

765
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: has given people the idea that you are from the sixties.

766
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: I think mad Men it was part of it. I

767
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: think that's definitely part of it. I also think it's

768
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: partially that and this is less of a thing now,

769
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: I feel. But there was a time there where my

770
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: body type was more unique sure in that I was not.

771
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: You know, in graduate school, I had an acting teacher

772
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 4: who was adamant with me. He said, you either need

773
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: to lose weight and become leading man, or you need

774
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 4: to gain weight and become like Chris Farley, right. And

775
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: I said, well, I guess I'm never going to work

776
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: because I'm not willing to do either of those things.

777
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: This will be a recurring theme. I'm lazy. I just

778
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: didn't think that was necessary.

779
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: So I believe that part of it is that I

780
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: have always been and I've certainly been even softer, but

781
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: I've always been a softer.

782
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: You're like a normal man.

783
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 4: I'm like a normal human being. But that is that's

784
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: easy to put into something in the in period stuff.

785
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: It's less common in contemporary I don't know why. But

786
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: if you look at things out there, I feel as

787
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 4: though that's the case.

788
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of makes sense. I mean, and now

789
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: that reminds me. I wanted to ask you about the

790
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: weight gaining for the pier ro. What did you do

791
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: to gain weight? I'm always curious about this. Well, did

792
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: you have fun?

793
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: No?

794
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you know it was fun. It was

795
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: fun in the way that it was. I didn't exercise.

796
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: I just was unhealthy. I just drank a lot of alcohol.

797
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 4: And I mean I love to drink alcohol and eat

798
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: bad food anyway. I just sometimes will also take a walk.

799
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: I just stopped walking. I became sedentary.

800
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: And did you drag your family into this?

801
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: I try not to. I try not to make them

802
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: have to deal with me.

803
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Did you get to eat a lot of extra treats?

804
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a big treat eater anyway, And so

805
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: it just was sort of no Holtz Barre. I will

806
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: say that when I was cast in the role, I

807
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 4: was in a I've never done this. I've done this

808
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: one time, I one time, never since and never before.

809
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 4: I had a sort of a friend and I felt

810
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: that we had sort of gotten out of shape, and

811
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: we thought, let's do a competition to try and lose.

812
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 4: Whoever lose this is the higher percentage of their body

813
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: fat by such and such a date gets one hundred bucks. Okay,

814
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: And we were in the midst of this. But we're

815
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: both actors. So at the beginning of the bet, we

816
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: had said, if a role comes along that requires us

817
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: to not be doing this, then then it gets called off.

818
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: So I did. I had been being healthy and I

819
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: called it off.

820
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Wow. So you went out of your way to get

821
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: this role to get out of the bed.

822
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct.

823
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: Interesting knowing it was entirely wrong for me, and going

824
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: so far as to make it myself even less right

825
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: for it by putting on a voice, and God.

826
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: When you decided that Pierre sang every one of his words.

827
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: Is there anything interesting we should know about Pierre? I don't,

828
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: or should history forget Pierre.

829
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: I think he was fine.

830
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he got his own magazine cover. He must

831
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: have done something exciting. He's very proud of himself here.

832
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 4: He's very pro Yes, I mean he went on to

833
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: have a thriving career in I think he did some commentary,

834
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: political commentary. He did by the end of his life,

835
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: have some mega chops. I mean, he grews that were

836
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: just abhorrent.

837
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say, on the cover of this

838
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: magazine he's looking to the sky and then there's a

839
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: baby grand piano being played by mysterious hands, and then

840
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: a scary man dancing on top of it.

841
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: Man dancing.

842
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: No one knows who this kind of specter is haunting. Pierre.

843
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: I feel like you had chops in Madmen.

844
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 4: I did, no, No, they were applied every day. The hair,

845
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 4: all of my hair was real, okay, just the chops

846
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 4: were applied every right.

847
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: Harry Crane, do we think he's a good guy or

848
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: a bad guy?

849
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think he's a great guy.

850
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: I think he's.

851
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: My My thing with Harry Crane is I I've never

852
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: understood that actor rule that people have of well, you

853
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: can't you can't think your character is a bad guy.

854
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: You have to think your character is the hero of

855
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: the story.

856
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: Everyone.

857
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: People would get frustrated when anytime I will ask someone

858
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: something like that, well you got your characters sort of

859
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: an asshole? They get sometimes defensive, right, sort of No, no, no, no,

860
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: he's the hero of my story. Harry Crane was not

861
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: the hero of my story.

862
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: It made some clearly bad choice.

863
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 4: I think he was a jerk. I think he was

864
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: wicked smart. I think he was he had a sort

865
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: of foresight that was not paralleled in the office. But

866
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 4: I do think he was a lineball and I was not.

867
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: I was rooting for him insofar as I wanted to

868
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: keep working. I didn't want him to make an error

869
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: that was it worked, It worked. I got to stay

870
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: until the end. But I also have never never questioned

871
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: anybody's The only thing that I question is when people

872
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: say things like Harry changed in a way that doesn't

873
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: make sense. They would say something like I never I

874
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: never liked what the writers did with Harry. What And

875
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: that one always frustrates me because I feel as though

876
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 4: I remember in an acting class they said, you know

877
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: it's and it's an age old phrase is just adopted

878
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: for adapted right for the actor, which is that you know,

879
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: characters don't change, but their situations do, right, so they

880
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: may respond to their new situation in a different it

881
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 4: seems a different way that seems uncharacteristic to their earlier

882
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: That's how I feel about Harry. He was given power,

883
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 4: he was given a wide runway and money, and he

884
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: let his freak flag fly.

885
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: I guess it always made perfect sense to me. Oh good,

886
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 2: I do feel like Harry Crane gave Joan some nice job.

887
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: That was they had kind of a well.

888
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: He he gave her an opportunity, and then once she

889
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: proved that the opportunity made sense, he then gave that

890
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: job to a man. That's right. It was the first

891
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: time I was already yelled at on the street. Really

892
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: was after that episode aired, as someone saw me and yelled.

893
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 3: At me, you should have given Jon.

894
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: And they were just as flummbings in saying it as

895
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 4: I was. Just now, they were so upset at seeing me.

896
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: I mean justified. We we love when a television watch

897
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: yells to the employee of television show.

898
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: Yes, I like it when they take the writing of

899
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 4: the show with which I had nothing to do personally.

900
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: It all makes perfect sense. Well, do we have anything

901
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: else we need to talk about with Pierre Salinger or

902
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: Crack Magazine?

903
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: No, I think we've covered the ground.

904
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, this is wonderful. I have two collectible magazines. Now,

905
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get them framed or leave them on a counter.

906
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 3: I think that's fine. I think a counter would work.

907
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: I think it's time to play a game. Oh good

908
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse.

909
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you two. Okay,

910
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating. So in the meantime,

911
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: you can recommend, you can promote, you can do whatever

912
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: you want with the microphone. I'll be right back.

913
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh goodness.

914
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'm going to just speak a little more

915
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: about the Magic Apple. It's the Magic Store on the

916
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: second floor in Studio City, California. They do mail order

917
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: at the Magic Apple dot com. Brent, who runs the

918
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: shop has become a friend of mine, and good news

919
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: because I am sort of an evangelist hobbies. Whatever hobby

920
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: I'm in, I want to suck as many people in

921
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 4: as I can. Brent got rebritten by the Pinball Bug

922
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: as well, and currently has a Stranger Things pinball machine

923
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: in the Magic Apple. So if you are looking for

924
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: either of my most recent fixations, you can find them

925
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: both at the Magic Apple.

926
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: The middle of the Rich Summer Vendagress Correct is in

927
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: Studio City, Right, that's amazing. Yes, you're an influencer. You're

928
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: a magician influencer.

929
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: That's right. That's right. That is not a claim to fix.

930
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: That's kind of what you've been seeking your entire life

931
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: and you finally got the crown.

932
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

933
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: This is how gifter or a curse works. I'm going

934
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: to name three things. You're gonna tell me if there

935
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: are a gift or a curse and why?

936
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

937
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you if you're a correct or not

938
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: there are correct answers, and you can lose this game.

939
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: I believe that to be true.

940
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay. This first suggestion is from a listener who declined

941
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: to give their name. Maybe they were embarrassed to be

942
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: on my podcast, which hurts. Gift or a curse? Being

943
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: served a fork and knife with a brito.

944
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: A gift, I suppose, yeah, because why not?

945
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes more often than not, I think a

946
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: burrito hasn't been formed in the way that it's going

947
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: to stay together, and so very often, if I'm eating

948
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 4: a burrito, the bottom will finally fall out at some point,

949
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: and having that fork there to go for it is helpful.

950
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 4: By that point, my hands have been sullied entirely by

951
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 4: the burrito. I don't wish to then pick up a

952
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: wet piece of chicken or something and just pop it

953
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: in my mouth.

954
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: So I would accept those offerings as a gift.

955
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: Rich wrong, Oh damn it. Of course this is a curse.

956
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: The structure of a burrito is so important, and if

957
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: you're handed a fork and a knife, it means the

958
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: restaurant knows ahead of time. They didn't the architecture of

959
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: the brito is wrong. So basically, they're giving you a

960
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: thing they know is going to fail, okay, and you're

961
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: going to be eaten. It's not gonna taste as good

962
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: because the place doesn't know how to make burrito.

963
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: Is it.

964
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no user error possibility even in a

965
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: well made bri So a well made burrito, let me

966
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: just get this straight. A well constructed burrito should be

967
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: able to defy even the most hamhanded of eaters.

968
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I'm going to walk you through what a burrito

969
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: needs to be. A burrito should be able to stand

970
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: on its own until the final two inches, and then

971
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: I should be the most disgusting looking thing in the world.

972
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: The rest of the people in the restaurant should have

973
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: to look away because I'm trying to get it into

974
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: my mouth. Those two inches can't of course, at that

975
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: point things have fallen apart. But until then you should

976
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: be able to set the burrito down on the table

977
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: and it's standing there because every ingredient has been placed.

978
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: Just so, I would love to know where you get Britas,

979
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: because I have never encountered a burrito that could withstand

980
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 4: being set down. Once you go in on burritos, you're

981
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 4: locked in. You might, as I say, you might take

982
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: your dominant hand and perhaps find a napkin you can

983
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 4: sort of just squeeze a few times to get some

984
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: of the juice off so you can.

985
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: Take a sip of your drink.

986
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: But otherwise that non dominant hand is busy keeping the

987
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: burrito together for the until it's gone.

988
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: Are you starting the burrito from the middle? Are you

989
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: just taking a big bite out like an apple?

990
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: No, but it's gonna leak. There's a little bit of

991
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: juice involved. There's always some sort of moisture that goes

992
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 4: down your hand. You're gonna set it down, You're gonna

993
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 4: wipe your hands and start over. No, no, no, Once you're in,

994
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: you're committed on the non dominant hand.

995
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: At least look a bean and cheese burrito. I'm with you.

996
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: That's got too much soft stuff going on. Okay, But

997
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: if we have a you know, a what I believe

998
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: is called a mission style burrito from you know, the

999
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: San Francisco area, it should have enough of every item

1000
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: that it should be able to and it should be

1001
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: grilled on the outside.

1002
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: Let's be very well, and that that is maybe the

1003
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: part that's missing in some of these burritos, because once

1004
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: it's grilled, there is some.

1005
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: Adhesion, right, that helps, Right, And places that aren't grilling

1006
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: their burritos are that's absolutely free to them, and it

1007
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: improves the burrito. So those places they should stop paying

1008
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: for the forks and knives and invest in the grill

1009
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: for the burrito.

1010
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 3: All right, fine, you know what you've convinced me I'm wrong.

1011
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you. It only took dissertations, my godlie. Okay,

1012
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: second up, so you're failing, just to be clear, all right? Oh,

1013
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: for one, you can always reverse your fate. This is

1014
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: a listener named Nolan has written in and gift her

1015
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: a curse. Car lashes. Are you familiar the things that

1016
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: are on headlights?

1017
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1018
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Kind of the eyelashes on the headlights. I assume that's

1019
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: what it is a car in a way, Yes, curse

1020
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: and why I.

1021
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 4: Don't feel as though I need to say anymore. There's

1022
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: I defy anyone to tell me what the benefit is.

1023
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: They're only a distraction.

1024
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I can keep going they I'll

1025
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 4: tell you what, if you put lashes on a PT Cruiser,

1026
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: I will fight the person that's driving it. I will

1027
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: have I don't and I'm not a fighter, ridger. I

1028
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: don't engage in it. I was always I got beat

1029
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 4: up a little bit in in junior high and high school,

1030
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 4: and I would always keep talking, but I never really

1031
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: swung back. I would maybe try and protect myself, but

1032
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't shut up. That's always been my problem.

1033
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 4: So if I saw a driver of a PT Cruiser

1034
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: with car lashes, and we're both presuming that this is

1035
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: what this means, I.

1036
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: Can't imagine whipping a car or hope not.

1037
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 4: I Yeah, I think I might throw my first punch

1038
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a good one.

1039
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it, but I'd go

1040
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: for it.

1041
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: You would meet this person in the Cools parking lot

1042
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: and fistfight them.

1043
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: That's right?

1044
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're saying curse, yes, it's very hard for

1045
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: me to say this is a gift. You're right, you're

1046
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: absolutely I cannot. I can't. I can't sit here and

1047
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: record myself saying, you know, future generations can't hear me

1048
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: say that a car lash was ever a good idea.

1049
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

1050
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: Well. I think even the person who purchases the car

1051
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: lashes like, what am I doing?

1052
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh no, no no.

1053
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: And the people who are selling them are thrilled that

1054
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: someone is taking this out of their inventory. They're tired

1055
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: of putting a check by it on the inventory list

1056
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: once a month.

1057
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 2: It's all a whole a trick. I mean, the people

1058
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: are selling them are definitely predators. They're looking for these

1059
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: poor customers and like kind of they see they probably

1060
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: see this person coming from a mile away. They're like,

1061
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: that's a car lash purchaser because they're one, and you

1062
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: know there it's a type. I have to imagine.

1063
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: There's a bonus certainly built in for selling these Carla. Also,

1064
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: I know it's your first day, but we've had these

1065
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 4: goddamn car lashes on the day. If you can sell

1066
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 4: one of these extra hundred bucks this month, no troubet.

1067
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: Where do you buy a car lash.

1068
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't know Claire Claire's.

1069
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: You're I mean, I can't imagine you're going down to AutoZone.

1070
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: I have to imagine that's the only place right. I

1071
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: can't Or Spencer Gifts. Maybe that's that's maybe it's Spencer.

1072
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 3: Gifts, or or there was another one.

1073
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: Zoop zoop, Oh there is a z something that closes.

1074
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there.

1075
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: I feel like now I've actually just come up with

1076
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: this theory. I think one there was one set of

1077
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: car lashes made. The person purchased them. Halfway down the road,

1078
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: they thought, God, what am I doing? Rip them off

1079
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: and threw them off and they've just kind of been

1080
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: somebody saw them pick them up. I'll try that on

1081
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: my car they get halfway down the road. That's just

1082
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: been passed around for the last twelve years.

1083
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: I hope that you're right, because otherwise there's more than.

1084
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: One right, And I just don't cannot imagine a place

1085
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: of business that I would go to buy my car lashes.

1086
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: It goes the same with the uh, I don't even

1087
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: know what they're called, truck balls or whatever the hell. Yes,

1088
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all terear. I mean, it's just it's

1089
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: real categories of people that are just the worst people

1090
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: in the world.

1091
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: You're going to have to convince me that a bumper

1092
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: sticker is necessary to then augment with truck balls or

1093
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: headlight lashes. It's not except again, either black or white.

1094
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: It drives where it's going.

1095
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: That's it. You've lost. You've lost the right to fancify

1096
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: your cause.

1097
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were given too much power, that's right, and

1098
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: we've got to scale back. Okay, you got one out

1099
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: of You've gotten one correct so far, which is impressive.

1100
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: Final this is from another listener named Hannah, and Hannah

1101
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: wrote in Gift or a Curse the little pantyhose socks

1102
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: that shoe stores provide for shoe try on.

1103
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say gift again. As a as a frequent handwasher,

1104
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 4: I think that there's I appreciate knowing that an effort

1105
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: was made. I know that if I go to try

1106
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 4: on shoes, it's very likely someone skipped the little booties

1107
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: when they tried them on before me, and so I

1108
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 4: have to wear them because, you know, in hopes of

1109
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: avoiding whatever they've left behind.

1110
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say, I'm going to say again.

1111
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: You've got it. Yes, of course I love those things.

1112
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: I mean, first, how often you to go in a

1113
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: store and they just give you something that's right, a

1114
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: free thing, free suck. I mean, of course it disintegrates

1115
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: on your foot.

1116
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a useful thing, but I mean.

1117
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: It actually is useful if you're robbing a bank.

1118
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: Uh, you over several before? How many, sir, are you

1119
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: trying on shoes to get Yeah?

1120
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I forgot the things them together.

1121
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

1122
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: I love a nylon over the head. I guess those

1123
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: don't quite work as a criminal tool. You would have

1124
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: to really go for But if you're in a pinch,

1125
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: you're like at the rack, how then you think, oh,

1126
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: there's a bank next store. I forgot my regular nylons, right, and.

1127
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: I was going to buy shoes today.

1128
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: So what I'll do is I'll borrow these, I'll take

1129
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: the booties, I'll run across and rob the bank, and

1130
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: then I'll be back and I'll buy the shoes.

1131
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. So I love those things. I love the

1132
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: feel I love And now I have a new idea.

1133
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: You know, you go to the store and they say

1134
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: you can't try on the swimsuit, of course because for

1135
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, why not get these nylons in underwear form,

1136
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: they hand those out of the dressing room. M this

1137
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: feels like a perfect solution to everyone's problem.

1138
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1139
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 4: I'm not sure at that point, I might wanna up

1140
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: the ply a little bit.

1141
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: I might go for a double.

1142
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: Fly, a double ply nylon. I mean, I'm just throwing

1143
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: these ideas out there. The purpose of this podcast is

1144
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: to improve the world. And so if some big box

1145
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 2: retailer is looking for a solution for people to try

1146
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: on swimsuits at their store, now they've got the perfect idea.

1147
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: Two or three or several ply nylon underwear.

1148
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: Trying not to picture that on a human body because

1149
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: that seems horrifying, but I did want to give that

1150
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: little image to the view of listener, the viewer. Maybe

1151
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: we launch into a television show. You heard it, you

1152
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: got it, you got two out of three. I'll take

1153
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: it a solid And what is this is a D plus?

1154
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's roughly how I rolled.

1155
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: We love a D plus. I mean, it's not a fail,

1156
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: and I feel like we really came together at the end.

1157
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: They're so excellently played Richard.

1158
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what my GPA was in

1159
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: tenth grade.

1160
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm very curious to hear this. Now I guess.

1161
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: Oh you may guess if you'd like, but I'll just

1162
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 4: give you this before you guess. So it's an educated guess.

1163
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 4: It was a fraught year. Okay, it's the first year

1164
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: of high school, right right tenth where I went to

1165
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 4: me taking schools through six, then seventy nine, then ten

1166
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: eleven twelve, So first year of high school. My parents

1167
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: had just gotten a divorce the year before. I also

1168
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: wanted to learn guitar so that I could work at

1169
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 4: a Bible camp. So all of these things put together.

1170
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 4: Knowing that I was very focused on learning guitar, knowing

1171
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 4: that I was in a bit of a rebellious state,

1172
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: I thought I would offer you the opportunity to guess

1173
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: what my GPA was in tenth grade.

1174
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: So you were you had Christian rock stardom in your

1175
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: sites of Okay, tenth grade. I mean, and I will say,

1176
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: because you do seem like like if I had had

1177
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: to guess prior to this, I would have been like

1178
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: three A. I would say three seven to three low

1179
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: three nine. But now we've got this information, I'm gonna say.

1180
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's a memorable for me.

1181
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: Obviously, a very memorable. I'm going to say a two

1182
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: to one.

1183
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: That's wrong.

1184
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: Now, obviously there's so many numbers, but it's really not

1185
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 4: even close. My GPA in tenth grade was MM point

1186
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 4: nine two four. You failed every I failed four of.

1187
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: My seven courses.

1188
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that is remarkable.

1189
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 4: The four courses I failed were English, Social Studies, Spanish,

1190
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: and drama.

1191
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: The big one, Yes and drama. What did what did

1192
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: you pass?

1193
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

1194
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: God, I don't remember. That's not that part didn't stick. Really,

1195
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: it was it was the four. It was failing Drama

1196
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 4: and Spanish. I mean I knew Spanish. I failed. In

1197
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: a real blaze of glory. I I went to the UH.

1198
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 4: It was about two weeks before they were going to

1199
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 4: give the final, and our teacher was was telling us

1200
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: what was required on the final, and I again, at

1201
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 4: this point, I knew the writing was on the wall.

1202
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: And I raised my hand and she said, can you please?

1203
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: She already was over me. Please can you just ask

1204
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 4: questions after I'm done? I said, it's a quick one.

1205
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 4: I promise if I got an A plus, I mean

1206
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 4: I got every question right on this final. Moade your

1207
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 4: lawn would I pass this class? And she said I don't.

1208
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: I don't have the numbers in front. I said, take

1209
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: a take a swing, knowing what you know about how

1210
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: I've done so far this year, if I aced this test,

1211
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 4: would I pass?

1212
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: She said probably not? Okay, and I.

1213
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: Stood up and I walked over and I set my

1214
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: book on her desk. I said thank you, and I

1215
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: walked out the door and never came back.

1216
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a terrible teacher.

1217
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what about her is terrible. I

1218
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: was not putting her in an easy situation.

1219
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: But look, if you passed the I mean, if you've

1220
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: just absolutely whiffeded the entire semester and then suddenly you're

1221
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: getting an A. She's like, yeah, he was keeping it.

1222
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: He was a little shy about being go Spanish.

1223
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 4: Oh, I think she knew I was shy of nothing.

1224
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: It was really about for me looking at the points,

1225
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: the aggregate points through the year and realizing I had

1226
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 4: sort of done the math on my own, and I

1227
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: knew what the final was worth and realized it was

1228
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 4: simply not a thing.

1229
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: Did you turn it around the next year?

1230
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: No, I mean I did better. My next year was

1231
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 4: closer to your first focus, so you were back in health.

1232
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I went on to college. I didn't

1233
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 4: have to fight to get into college. I only applied

1234
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 4: to one college and had to apply thrice. I turned

1235
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: down twice, and then drove up there with a friend

1236
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 4: and sort of made my case wow and was able

1237
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: to get in. And then it was on academic probation

1238
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: most of college. And then I went to graduate school.

1239
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: But it was graduate school was a conservatory, so they

1240
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: didn't really care about that.

1241
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, and your guitar playing.

1242
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: It's a rhythm guitar at best. I could play a

1243
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: good handful of chords, but I learned them all in

1244
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: my tenth grade year. I've learned no more guitar.

1245
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: That's all you need though, Yeah, I mean, you're not

1246
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: going to be whipping out a solo.

1247
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: No, but again, I could play a campfire song at

1248
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 4: a Bible camp and no problem.

1249
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: Again. Goosebump's character we found the that's your Goosebump's trilogy.

1250
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Well that's incredible. This is the final segment of the podcast.

1251
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: It's called I Said No emails. People write into I

1252
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: Said no gifts at gmail dot com desperate for answers.

1253
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: My listeners are kind of just crawling, seeking, begging, and

1254
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: so I try to do my best to answer some

1255
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: of the questions. Will you help me?

1256
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1257
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: Okay, let me read this, It says deer Bridger, an

1258
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: exemplary guest, So a nice little compliment.

1259
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1260
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: I am writing here today two days before well, okay,

1261
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: two days before do you know how a podcast works?

1262
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: Two days before the birthday party for a new friend.

1263
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: The new friend is my wife's coworker. We all hang

1264
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: out every once in a while, like going to concerts

1265
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: and such. She doesn't like animals, so I honestly think

1266
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: she's a serial killer. Interesting detail. She's from NYC, whatever

1267
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: that means. This is the turns. The turns of this

1268
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: email are very abrupt from what I've gathered. She likes

1269
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: to read. We don't really know what to get her.

1270
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: Any help is appreciated. Oh, by the way, she's like

1271
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: the only friend we've made since moving to Massachusetts from California,

1272
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: so it's kind of a big deal. Thank you. And

1273
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: that's from a f.

1274
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me make sure I got all the

1275
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: pieces of this in the right order. This is obviously

1276
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: for a moment that's passed. There's no way we can

1277
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: actually help this p.

1278
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: We're basically hoping for next year's birthday. This person still exists.

1279
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 4: Okay, good the recipient potential recipient loves New York.

1280
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: From New York, we don't even know, I don't know

1281
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: the opinion. And then it's followed by whatever that means.

1282
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: Okay, so from New York doesn't like animals? Right, this

1283
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: person has interpreted as possibly meaning they.

1284
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: Are serial killer, some sort of sociopathic behavior. I think

1285
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: as well, they're reading into Okay.

1286
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: This friend that they've made, this one friend that they've

1287
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 4: made since moving to Massachusetts from California, is someone that

1288
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 4: they're reading. I have to presume there's more to that assumption,

1289
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 4: that serial killer assumption, than simply that this person doesn't

1290
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 4: like animals. If an animal goes by and this person

1291
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: says something.

1292
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: Like, oh god, frogs, I hate frog.

1293
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 4: If that was what happened, I would advise this person

1294
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 4: to and I know they're excited about this, but maybe

1295
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: make a different new friend and don't worry about buying

1296
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 4: this one again. If it's if they have an upsetting

1297
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: response to animals, then that enough.

1298
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: To that's a morning bell for certainly a red flag.

1299
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: I mean they okay, so let's let's let's look at

1300
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: the scene. They've recently moved from sunny California to Massachusetts.

1301
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: They're probably in the woods. Suddenly there's this coworker the

1302
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: wife knows, and they're kind of hanging around, and they're

1303
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: from New York, whatever that means. And they don't like

1304
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: animals and are obviously very vocal about reading. That's kind

1305
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: of the only thing we know about this person. But

1306
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: she's hanging around, she's not giving a lot of information,

1307
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: and it's her birthday, probably six months ago. So there

1308
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: are I mean, there are some details here where it's like, honey,

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: I made a new friend at work and she wants

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Speaker 2: to hang around, and so that seems dangerous, and she

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Speaker 2: wants us to come to her birthday. And she's the

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Speaker 2: only friend we know in town. So there is some

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Speaker 2: level of danger here. I will say what I mean,

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Speaker 2: what is the question? What do we get her? A book?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Any book, any book that isn't about animals. Maybe it

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Speaker 4: has something to do with New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they go to concerts, concert tickets, but

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Speaker 2: you want to go in a big group. You don't

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Speaker 2: want to just go out, you know, you're out late

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Speaker 2: at night with this person. She's in the back seat.

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Speaker 2: God knows what she's planning. But maybe maybe a book

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Speaker 2: about Actually, I'm going to a book about animals. You've

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Speaker 2: heard the Red Walls series about the talking I've never

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Speaker 2: read them. I remember wanting to read them. I desperately

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Speaker 2: wanted to read those books as a child. But they're

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: about talking. It's like a fantasy series about animals doing

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Speaker 2: things I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think you're on the wrong track.

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Speaker 2: This person needs to they need to know the power

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Speaker 2: of a rat, power of a mouse. Sure, doing whatever

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Speaker 2: they do in that book series, and then I think

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Speaker 2: that might kind of maybe that'll click something whatever is

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Speaker 2: not working in their brain that's leading them to murder

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Speaker 2: some that they empathize with animals. Then they see, oh,

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: maybe human beings shouldn't be destroyed. Then they're they're kind

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Speaker 2: of the kind of coworker that you might want to

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Speaker 2: go to their birthday.

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Speaker 4: You know, I hadn't played out the full scenario that

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Speaker 4: you were suggesting, But now that you've walked me through

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Speaker 4: what could happen, I guess I'm on board. Yeah, a

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Speaker 4: children's book about animals that will make this person less

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Speaker 4: inclined to kill a human.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it takes. A that's right, whatever it takes. I

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: think we answered that perfectly. I think you you answered

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: it perfectly.

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Speaker 4: I still am a bit aghast at the entire situation,

1349
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 4: but you are by my.

1350
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: Side every step of the way, whether you know it

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: or not. And af really gave us so little to

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: work with. But they're in the middle of a stressful

1353
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: cross country move, they're meeting murderers.

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01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 4: They've just been to a birthday party obviously at this point,

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 4: so they're they're.

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01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: Fine, obviously without a gift. And now she's furious. This

1357
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: coworker feels like they really short at her. And now

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01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: she's like, what do I do. My best friend at

1359
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: work is ignoring me and it's probably your husband or

1360
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: wife's fault. Well, we did it.

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Speaker 3: We did it.

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: I've got two new magazines that I can page through

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: and learn more about Pierre Salinger and then laughs.

1364
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: Find out who this gentleman dance piano.

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: Is absolutely scary. Man in a gray suit dancing on

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01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: a piano is rich. I've had such a wonderful time

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, thank you again, And I will say this Bridger.

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01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 4: I had made This is maybe a little silly thing,

1370
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 4: but I'd sort of made a promise to myself that

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: I was not going to be on any podcasts in

1372
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. Can I a mutual friend of ours,

1373
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 4: had turned me onto your podcast earlier this year, and

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Speaker 4: I just first off, the theme song is one of.

1375
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: The band we need to just scream Amy Man all

1376
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 4: She's just an absolute genius and I adore her and

1378
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 4: I so I was immediately turned on by the podcast,

1379
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 4: and I really enjoyed each episode that I've listened to.

1380
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 4: And when I was invited to join you, I simply

1381
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: couldn't imagine saying no, So I will.

1382
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Speaker 3: Sorry.

1383
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 4: My heart is probably going back into podcasts retirement after

1384
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 4: this one, but I have thoroughly enjoyed my visits.

1385
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh my heart is absolutely in my feet. I don't

1386
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: know what that means either, but it melted and then

1387
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: just ran all the way to my feet. The idea

1388
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: of anyone listening to your podcast is always and for

1389
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 2: it to be rich is just wonderful. Listener, My god,

1390
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: what a wonderful time you've had. I'm speaking for you.

1391
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: You have had the best time today and of course

1392
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: that means the rest of the day is downhill, but

1393
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: next week you'll come back for this little hit and

1394
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: then your life. Well, of course it's a cycle, but

1395
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: at least I'm here for you, and thank you for listening.

1396
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: We'll talk again soon. I love you, goodbye, I said,

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01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by

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01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: John Bradley, and we couldn't do it without our guest booker,

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course, could only come

1401
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show

1402
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: on Instagram. At I said no gifts, I don't want

1403
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't

1405
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: you want to see pictures of the gifts?

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: Line?

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Speaker 3: Why did you hear?

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: Funa man myself perfectly clear. When you're a guess to

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: my home, you gotta come to me empty, And I said,

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: no guests, your own presences presents enough. I already had

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Speaker 1: too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?