WEBVTT - Debate Dissected – Unpacking the Latest Presidential Showdown 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:00.920 I'm Tamika D. 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:01.720 Mallory and the. 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.279 Ship Boy my Son in general. 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.720 We are your host of TMI. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:10.360 Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration name 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.039 New Energy. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.239 Well, my son, you have. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:22.840 The pleasure of being at the live Debate watch party 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.160 in Brooklyn, New York tonight and until Freedom and other 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.000 groups collaborated on. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.640 How was the energy there? 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.479 I mean, the energy was beautiful, you know, a lot 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.440 it was. It was a lot of people in the building. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.720 Shout out to the Indigo Hotel and the Black owned 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.880 room that we was in. You know, they don't own 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.479 the whole hotel, but there are certain spaces within the 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.640 hotel that they owned, so they allowed us to host 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.120 this on watch party. And it was an amazing watch party. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.920 The food is excellent, you know, beautiful people inside, and 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.240 the energy was just high. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:00:59.920 It was high in it. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.240 That's great, that's great. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.640 I mean we said that all the way until the election, 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.319 we were going to really weigh in and have some 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.600 of the people who we know are working on and 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.120 have been working on voter engagement around the country and 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.119 so forth. Tonight it is late. In fact, I am 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.240 sitting in Europe and across the world, and it's late, late, late. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.199 Started watching the debate after two am, had our own 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:33.000 watch party with a number of my girlfriends. We watched 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.880 and we talked and you know, really followed together. And 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.560 so tonight we asked folks to stay up just a 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.400 little bit longer for us. It's five thirty in the morning. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.000 For you all, it's the nighttime. So we on two 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.919 different zones, and therefore we want to jump right into 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.960 it and allow the folks who have joined us. You know, again, 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.280 we really want to put a focus in a spotlight 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.440 on the people who are doing the work across the 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.760 country of voter engagement, because you know, a lot of 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.320 pundents will talk about how they feel, what they heard, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.080 and what they think, but we have to go out 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.720 into the community and get people to the polls. We 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:15.320 have to help people to navigate this really, if you will, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.359 for me, this kind of toxic time that we're in 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.000 that is also a big time in terms of what 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.560 will be the history of the United States. And so 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.760 in order for us to do that touch what do 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.480 they call it, anyway, contact sport work of working with 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.679 our people and talking to them, we have to be 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.360 able to understand what was stated and what are the 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.080 substantive things that we can help people with the hope 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.440 that they need to push forward and go out and 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.480 make the right choice for the country. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.160 Yeah, it's definitely a time that we have to be 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:57.160 very intentional about education and stopping misinformation. I say the 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.560 old time that misinformation is the biggest threat to our people. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.880 You know, a lot of our people, it's not. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.840 And it's not that they're ignorant, it's just that they 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.480 don't know, you know, they haven't been informed, and they 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.320 hear information on the Internet and other places, and they 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.720 and they take it at face value. And you know, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.320 I've been very intentional about making sure that we are 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:22.040 informed properly because I think there are certain people who 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:28.480 are pretty much profiting and benefiting of the misinformation and 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.560 you know, us not knowing what's actually going on. So, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.600 you know, I think tonight this is a this is 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:41.840 a very good what we call indication of someone taking 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.040 the steps, the necessary steps to stop misinformation. You know, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.120 I think that the moderators did an excellent job, and 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.040 every time I heard something that they know wasn't correct, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.280 they informed it properly. Because in the past, you know, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.800 you know, Donald Trump was able to can constantly just 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.280 spread misinformation without being checked on it. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.000 So I think tonight. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.960 Was a very good, very good moderation and it was 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.440 a very good debate. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.320 Well, let's open up the floor to our friends that 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:21.880 have joined us, Angelo Pintau, esquire attorney Angelo Pintel, co 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.000 founder of Until Freedom, along with Linda Sarsour and the 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:26.960 two of us. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.239 He is no stranger to the show. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:35.479 Also our sister Dowana Thompson, who is a political strategist, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:41.839 who is a community organizer, who is a professional and entrepreneur, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.680 you know so many different things that do Wanna does, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.320 and she's actually with me and York. So how about 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.520 that she's just all the way on the other side 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.200 of our unit getting ready to talk about this debate 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.440 that at first she refused to watch, but then she 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.279 was ready to get on and give her thoughts. And 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.599 then lastly, we have Julian Hoffenberg, who may not have 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.799 been on our show in the past, however people should 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.160 know that she works all the details behind the scenes 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.960 and watching all the politics and those that you know, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.520 the ins and outs of what's happening. So first let's 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.840 get Angelo to give us your initial thoughts after the debate, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.040 How are you feeling? 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.240 What do you think you heard? What didn't you hear. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.440 I think that there's a lot of layers here, but 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.919 I think the first thing is that there was a 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.560 lot of folks who were who we were with the 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.560 crowd of folks, A lot of folks were excited to 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.119 see kamlook. And I think that's one of the first 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.039 big pivots before you even can get into the details 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.920 of what happened in the debate, her being president and 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.280 president and not Joe Biden being present has made a 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.920 lot of folks tune in and be interested in what's happening, 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.520 So that, to me is a big win for her 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.640 before you even dive into the details about the debate, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.000 I think the second piece is she performed presidentially. From 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:03.120 my perspective, she looks professional. She was attempting to discuss 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.400 the issues. I think Trump goes off q he spirals 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.440 at times, and sometimes she looks very unpresidential, and I 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.320 think that was evident today. The piece that I think 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.960 is very important where I would like to see growth 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.839 on both sides is really diving into the issues and 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.839 diving specifically into the issues that people want to hear. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.680 They started out talking about the economy. I think there 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.279 was a lot of surface discussion and they didn't talk 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.400 about the details around As some folks said, what's going 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.800 to happen to the price of eggs and milk for folks, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.280 and how do you attempt to really address that? 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:37.359 They didn't talk about that. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.320 They talked about healthcare, they talk about the issue of migrants, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.720 they talked about foreign affairs, they talked about abortion right, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.920 and I feel like in many instances when they were 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.200 discussing some of these issues, they were having a conversation 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.040 without discussing the particular policies and plans about what they 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.000 would specifically do. One of the places that I think 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.120 she excelled and it was probably the talking point that 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.120 I thought was most powerful, when she was talking about 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:11.920 the January sixth insurrection and she aligned that with Charlottesville 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:17.040 in the history of white supremacist supremacist mobs, and I 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.440 thought that was a very solid and clear talking point 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.360 where she was speaking against this activity and white supremacy. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.840 So for me, I want to see more of that. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:31.080 I think on an abortion she was strong but specifically 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.680 speaking about what needs to be done and if it 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.360 could be done right about codifying Roe. I don't think 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.040 she got into the details and actually the process of 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.720 how that happens. I feel like there should have been 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.720 questions around gun violence. There was an incident recently in 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.920 Georgia where there was a school shooting that wasn't addressed. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.880 I think the issue of reparations for black folks is important. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.080 I think talking about cancellation of student loans is a 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.160 big issue folks are talking about, and really the nitty 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.440 gritty around how the economy moves forward. I felt like, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.400 and I'm interested in hearing what Linda thinks about it. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:12.480 Her perspective around the war or the genocide taking place 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.880 in Palestine was strong. I felt like she said, we 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.160 need to see spire, we need to figure this out. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.960 She didn't speak specifically on how she will do that. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.520 She talked about the issue of the United States arming Israel, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.480 but I feel like she's moving in a direction away 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.480 from where Biden was, and for me, that's what I 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.520 want to see more from her around how do you 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.120 really make a distinction between who you are and will 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.040 be as a president and who Joe Biden was in 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.520 that establishment was so I'd like to see more of that. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:45.920 Wow. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.960 Okay, so I won't even react to it. I don't know, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.760 my son, maybe you have some reactions. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:51.600 But first let's go. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.559 Ahead and do wanna have. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.160 You to speak to what you heard tonight? 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.840 Well, first of all, I'm very excited to be on 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.680 the in the moment with you all tonight. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.600 I think that myself. I'm also the founder. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.800 Of what Vote, and although we are a nonpartisan organization, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.400 we two were having multiple watch parties across the country 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.200 tonight and my phone was blowing up all through the night, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.880 which I felt was, as Angelo said earlier, an indication 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.559 of something that up until about August. First, I would 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.280 say we were struggling with in states like North Carolina, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:36.200 particularly in states like Michigan, we were struggling with a 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.360 galvanizing agent. And what do I mean by that? We 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.400 were struggling with people actually caring enough or just being 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.920 burnt out on what they were hearing, the voices that 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.360 they were hearing it from the just the whole rhetoric 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.360 of the election, and what we saw tonight and what 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.360 quite frankly we've been seeing over the last several weeks, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.679 are people galvanized and energize by just the mere thought 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.240 of an adult in the room. And so when you 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.360 talk to me about what was my initial reaction and 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.680 to me, just said this earlier, and I'm somewhat embarrassed 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.840 that she said it, but it's the truth. I honestly 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.840 was am so tired of foolishness as it relates to 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.040 not dealing with what is real, what is fact? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.199 What is truth? What? What are the real issues at hand? 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.760 That I really didn't feel like listening to former President 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.640 Donald Trump tonight. And I really didn't feel like having 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:44.720 to watch a capable, competent, and accomplished leader deal with 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:51.240 someone who has openly completely thrown away rule of law, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.280 completely thrown away decorum, and really in a lot of way, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:59.320 it's completely thrown away what the core values of the Constitution. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.640 And so I get tired, particularly as a black woman. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.880 I just wasn't sure that I had to watch it, 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.160 But I'm glad that I did because two things really 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.520 stuck out to me. Number One, we have been saying 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.480 we need somebody presidential, we need somebody alert, we need 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.640 someone who seems ready on day one, and I felt 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:23.880 like Vice President Harris presented that tonight. I felt like 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.640 she remained metered when she was easily. I mean, there 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.319 are moments where I saw it on her face, like 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.840 I noticed, Joka is not going there, or I know 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.680 this lie is not you know, like there were moments 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.640 where she was human, and I think that's fine, because 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.240 we want to see the humanity in our leaders. But 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.280 she never, not once seemed unpresidential. And I think that 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.880 that is critical for the American people right now. I 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.360 think it's critical for those who have been tired by 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.960 the circus that many of have called this election cycle. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.240 And so I think she remained metered, and she to 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.920 some extent, remained able to. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.600 Stick to her to her script. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:15.040 Now that being said, my second thought was, I really 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.800 wish we could get and I think Angelo, you spoke 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:18.120 to this. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.200 I really wish we. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.160 Could get past just having to show or prove and 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.280 say you're wrong. I really wish we could get to 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.840 and here's what I would actually do. There wasn't enough 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:38.880 time because we were having to babysit an individual who clearly, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.320 you know, has checked out of so many processes. Whether 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:44.920 he was checked it or not, I'm not even sure, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.319 but having to babysit his ego, his revision, as history, 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.720 his complete lack of respect. We really didn't have time 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:58.520 sometimes to really dig into what I think would have 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.280 been necessary and critical, which is, you know, tell us 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.920 more about, you know, what your policy is. Vice President Harris, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.400 I think had you know, she she broke moments where 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.200 she where she shared, you know, she she kept talking 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.160 about an opportunity economy and I think that strong language, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:18.280 but what does that really mean? 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:18.600 Right? 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.800 And she talked about you know, the six thousand dollars 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:22.679 she wants to give family. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.360 She talked about supporting small businesses. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.319 How right, As someone who has been a political appointee 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.920 to the to the US Small Business and administration, I 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:32.840 can tell you. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.680 That there there's a lot to talk about as. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.880 It relates to supporting and maintaining small businesses. And so 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.640 I believe that there were opportunities that were clearly missed 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.800 by both candidates quite frankly, to be able to really 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.640 tell the American people what it is that they. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.600 What it is that they plan to do. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.760 I think the last thing I would just say is 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.240 that her one of her strongest moments to me. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:13:59.720 Was clearly when. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.880 She told old former President Trump that I you're not 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.400 running against Joe Biden, right, you're running against me. And 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:12.240 I think that was important because this is someone who 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.680 is seeking to erase her and a race who she 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.240 has been as a leader and or frame who she 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.120 has been as a leader. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.800 He's also tried to frame who she is just as the. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.040 Person, right, And so I think that her ability to 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.240 say that very strategically and very strongly on the stage 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.200 tonight and to remind him that she does not have 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.000 to run on uh, she does not, she does not 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.200 have to run as Joe Biden. She's running as Kamala Harris. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.800 I think that was a very strong point tonight. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.680 I Concurr, I think the thing that you and Angelo 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.160 said pretty much murdered. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:46.400 You know. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:52.000 They were definitely times where I think that, like you said, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.160 it became more of just a fact checking moment. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.720 I think what I'm from President Trump. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:03.880 Has done has turned this election into where you have 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.560 to correct misinformation all the time. So in doing that, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.560 you know the opportunity to actually present what it is 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.640 that you plan to do and give you know, your 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.160 vision for what America should look like, you know. So 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.480 I think that's definitely true. I think also what we 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.800 have to be very knowledgeable about is that there are 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.680 we have no perfect candidates, you know, just the reality 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:32.120 of what it is. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.240 There's no perfect candidates. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:38.520 There are things, you know, like I'm definitely against what's 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:43.640 going on inside Gaza, you know, and that Vice President 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.880 Kamala Harris is part of the administration that is funding 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.240 the genocide and Gaza. So that is very something that 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.920 I paid much attention to. But I just also understand, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.200 you know, what it is that Donald Trump represents. Even 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.440 when they talked about that, he just completely didn't even 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:01.120 speak on it. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.200 He went back to the same thing. And it's just 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.120 for me. It's just for me. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.680 There was an adult and there was a child, and 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.360 that's what it was, you know, just listening to Donald Trump, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:12.440 there was just rhetoric. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.760 It was just I was just. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.920 I was so confused at points, like how how has 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.040 America come to the point where someone like this can 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.440 actually be the president of him? 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.440 I was ashamed. I was embarrassed. You know, I have 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.440 a thirteen and a ten. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.320 Year old and I know that they could have probably 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.200 spoke better than that, and it's just to me, it's 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.880 just like, I'm it's just I'm perplexed at this point, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.480 and it's not, and I'm not anybody else can think that, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.760 you know, he said this and that, But for me, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.800 I'm actually perplexed as as how does someone like that, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:56.440 who lacks so much presidentialists, who lacks emotional stability, emotional intelligence, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.360 who just lacks the things that I see as someone 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.800 who can lead a nation, can actually be a viable candidate. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.760 It's just and just make It's really just. It depresses me, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:08.800 you know. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.720 So I don't know what anybody else thinks, but I 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.840 just want to say that just to be clear off 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.040 the front, that that's exactly how I felt. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.000 Thanks for that, Mice, Jules. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.720 I think we could pivot and you should talk about 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.919 your reactions as well. But I just want to know, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.399 as someone who is a Donald Trump fact checker, about 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.400 how many lies did you hear tonight? 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.040 I mean, honestly, it would be easier to count the 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.960 truths that he told, which would probably fit. On one hand, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.360 I do want to say, also, thank you for inviting 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:50.240 me into this conversation. It's really hard to even say 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.040 how many lies he told because you know, like my 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.320 son just said, he doesn't really fully talk in complete 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:03.080 sentences or with like proper rammer. So when he says 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.760 things like, you know about the Afghanistan withdrawal, that well, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.639 they made a list and it said this, this, this, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.960 this and this, and then they didn't do those things. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.400 I don't exc you know what I mean, it's hard 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.280 to say what that even means and how to respond 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.479 to it. I think there were some, you know, there 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:29.840 were like the crazy headline lies abortion after birth and 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:37.400 interesting and yet completely absurd concept. It would be called 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:42.840 murder or infanticide, not abortion at that point. You know, 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.399 I think that the pets being eaten and kidnapped is 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:54.040 is bizarre. The rally sizes, the you know, millions, I 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.719 think he said millions and millions and millions of people 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:02.919 have died in Ukraine, which is news, he said, you know, 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.720 you know all the things, twenty one million people coming 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.480 across the border. There's just a lot. That's heart crime 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.520 is at an all time high when we know it's 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.200 at a historic low. It's it would take all day 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.639 and all of her two minutes to actually rebut the 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.840 things that had come before. I thought she did a 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:29.359 really masterful job given the challenging circumstances of what she 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.600 had to do. I mean, I think we saw you know, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.320 we've seen people debate and not and I don't mean 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.280 Joe Biden last month, but Joe Biden four years ago, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.840 Hillary Clinton eight years ago. We've seen people have to 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.880 deal with Donald Trump on a stage, and it's not easy. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.520 I think she did an incredible job. And I think 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.280 we know that as a woman, as a black woman, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.719 and as a an accomplished person, she the bar for 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.760 her in that circumstance was still so impossibly high, and 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.119 the bar for him, a former president, was so ridiculously 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.680 low that he could have you know, crawled under it. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:25.119 And I and yet we find ourselves in this situation where, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.240 like I think, you know, Dowana and Angelo both said, 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.520 we still wish that there could have been more substance. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.959 I would have liked to hear more about, you know, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:41.760 codifying a row and why we didn't do that. I'd 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.320 like to hear more about, you know, gun policy and education. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.800 And I like the things that she's put forward. I 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:55.199 like the kind of working class, middle class, common sense, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:21:00.240 you know, dinner table kind of things that she's talking about, 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.760 like the child tax credits and the first time child 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.480 tax credit, which I think is brand new and sounds 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:10.119 really important, you know, for first time parents and things 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.639 like that. I like the idea of lowering housing costs, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.879 but I haven't really heard how she's going to do that, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.000 So yeah, I think overall, I think she did a 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.479 really solid job. I you know, I was laughing when 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.879 Dwata said she didn't want to go. I should have 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.399 been in Brooklyn tonight with my son and Angelo, but 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.480 I was so full of nerves and dread and stress 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.399 about what could happen tonight that I was afraid of 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.639 being in a public space. So being on my couch 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.679 and screaming at my television and the privacy of my 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.880 own home was probably the best place for me. But overall, yeah, 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:46.760 I thought you did great. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:47.919 You know. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.960 I think, I know agree with all of you that 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.240 it really is a disservice to the American people because 0:21:55.280 --> 0:22:00.440 we should have been able to use this opportunit community 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.480 to hear about the things that so many. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:08.800 People are struggling with. Instead, she's in a match. Vice 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.119 President Harris is in a match with someone who. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.840 Is a master of confusion. That is what he does 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.680 for a living. This is how he has been able 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.920 to in many ways gain the type of notoriety and 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.560 following that he has that people who also meddle in 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.000 a lot of confusion. They love him. He's on TV. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.000 We already know when you're on a reality TV show. 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.520 What do we see on every single one of them, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.040 Whether we like the people on the shows or not, 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.560 there's confusion. His marketing has always been about confusion. That's 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.800 what he does. And at one point, Dwana, you said 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.480 that you know, it's not just that he's trying to 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.320 confuse her, but the rest of us are confused about 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.040 even what he's talking about. 0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.000 And I'm not confused. 0:22:59.240 --> 0:22:59.840 I get it. 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:06.240