Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and the.
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Speaker 4: Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration name
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Speaker 3: Well, my son, you have.
Speaker 5: The pleasure of being at the live Debate watch party
Speaker 5: in Brooklyn, New York tonight and until Freedom and other
Speaker 5: groups collaborated on.
Speaker 2: How was the energy there?
Speaker 4: I mean, the energy was beautiful, you know, a lot
Speaker 4: it was. It was a lot of people in the building.
Speaker 4: Shout out to the Indigo Hotel and the Black owned
Speaker 4: room that we was in. You know, they don't own
Speaker 4: the whole hotel, but there are certain spaces within the
Speaker 4: hotel that they owned, so they allowed us to host
Speaker 4: this on watch party. And it was an amazing watch party.
Speaker 4: The food is excellent, you know, beautiful people inside, and
Speaker 4: the energy was just high.
Speaker 3: It was high in it.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 5: I mean we said that all the way until the election,
Speaker 5: we were going to really weigh in and have some
Speaker 5: of the people who we know are working on and
Speaker 5: have been working on voter engagement around the country and
Speaker 5: so forth. Tonight it is late. In fact, I am
Speaker 5: sitting in Europe and across the world, and it's late, late, late.
Speaker 5: Started watching the debate after two am, had our own
Speaker 5: watch party with a number of my girlfriends. We watched
Speaker 5: and we talked and you know, really followed together. And
Speaker 5: so tonight we asked folks to stay up just a
Speaker 5: little bit longer for us. It's five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 5: For you all, it's the nighttime. So we on two
Speaker 5: different zones, and therefore we want to jump right into
Speaker 5: it and allow the folks who have joined us. You know, again,
Speaker 5: we really want to put a focus in a spotlight
Speaker 5: on the people who are doing the work across the
Speaker 5: country of voter engagement, because you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: pundents will talk about how they feel, what they heard,
Speaker 5: and what they think, but we have to go out
Speaker 5: into the community and get people to the polls. We
Speaker 5: have to help people to navigate this really, if you will,
Speaker 5: for me, this kind of toxic time that we're in
Speaker 5: that is also a big time in terms of what
Speaker 5: will be the history of the United States. And so
Speaker 5: in order for us to do that touch what do
Speaker 5: they call it, anyway, contact sport work of working with
Speaker 5: our people and talking to them, we have to be
Speaker 5: able to understand what was stated and what are the
Speaker 5: substantive things that we can help people with the hope
Speaker 5: that they need to push forward and go out and
Speaker 5: make the right choice for the country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely a time that we have to be
Speaker 4: very intentional about education and stopping misinformation. I say the
Speaker 4: old time that misinformation is the biggest threat to our people.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of our people, it's not.
Speaker 4: And it's not that they're ignorant, it's just that they
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, they haven't been informed, and they
Speaker 4: hear information on the Internet and other places, and they
Speaker 4: and they take it at face value. And you know,
Speaker 4: I've been very intentional about making sure that we are
Speaker 4: informed properly because I think there are certain people who
Speaker 4: are pretty much profiting and benefiting of the misinformation and
Speaker 4: you know, us not knowing what's actually going on. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I think tonight this is a this is
Speaker 4: a very good what we call indication of someone taking
Speaker 4: the steps, the necessary steps to stop misinformation. You know,
Speaker 4: I think that the moderators did an excellent job, and
Speaker 4: every time I heard something that they know wasn't correct,
Speaker 4: they informed it properly. Because in the past, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, Donald Trump was able to can constantly just
Speaker 4: spread misinformation without being checked on it.
Speaker 3: So I think tonight.
Speaker 4: Was a very good, very good moderation and it was
Speaker 4: a very good debate.
Speaker 5: Well, let's open up the floor to our friends that
Speaker 5: have joined us, Angelo Pintau, esquire attorney Angelo Pintel, co
Speaker 5: founder of Until Freedom, along with Linda Sarsour and the
Speaker 5: two of us.
Speaker 2: He is no stranger to the show.
Speaker 5: Also our sister Dowana Thompson, who is a political strategist,
Speaker 5: who is a community organizer, who is a professional and entrepreneur,
Speaker 5: you know so many different things that do Wanna does,
Speaker 5: and she's actually with me and York. So how about
Speaker 5: that she's just all the way on the other side
Speaker 5: of our unit getting ready to talk about this debate
Speaker 5: that at first she refused to watch, but then she
Speaker 5: was ready to get on and give her thoughts. And
Speaker 5: then lastly, we have Julian Hoffenberg, who may not have
Speaker 5: been on our show in the past, however people should
Speaker 5: know that she works all the details behind the scenes
Speaker 5: and watching all the politics and those that you know,
Speaker 5: the ins and outs of what's happening. So first let's
Speaker 5: get Angelo to give us your initial thoughts after the debate,
Speaker 5: How are you feeling?
Speaker 2: What do you think you heard? What didn't you hear.
Speaker 6: I think that there's a lot of layers here, but
Speaker 6: I think the first thing is that there was a
Speaker 6: lot of folks who were who we were with the
Speaker 6: crowd of folks, A lot of folks were excited to
Speaker 6: see kamlook. And I think that's one of the first
Speaker 6: big pivots before you even can get into the details
Speaker 6: of what happened in the debate, her being president and
Speaker 6: president and not Joe Biden being present has made a
Speaker 6: lot of folks tune in and be interested in what's happening,
Speaker 6: So that, to me is a big win for her
Speaker 6: before you even dive into the details about the debate,
Speaker 6: I think the second piece is she performed presidentially. From
Speaker 6: my perspective, she looks professional. She was attempting to discuss
Speaker 6: the issues. I think Trump goes off q he spirals
Speaker 6: at times, and sometimes she looks very unpresidential, and I
Speaker 6: think that was evident today. The piece that I think
Speaker 6: is very important where I would like to see growth
Speaker 6: on both sides is really diving into the issues and
Speaker 6: diving specifically into the issues that people want to hear.
Speaker 6: They started out talking about the economy. I think there
Speaker 6: was a lot of surface discussion and they didn't talk
Speaker 6: about the details around As some folks said, what's going
Speaker 6: to happen to the price of eggs and milk for folks,
Speaker 6: and how do you attempt to really address that?
Speaker 3: They didn't talk about that.
Speaker 6: They talked about healthcare, they talk about the issue of migrants,
Speaker 6: they talked about foreign affairs, they talked about abortion right,
Speaker 6: and I feel like in many instances when they were
Speaker 6: discussing some of these issues, they were having a conversation
Speaker 6: without discussing the particular policies and plans about what they
Speaker 6: would specifically do. One of the places that I think
Speaker 6: she excelled and it was probably the talking point that
Speaker 6: I thought was most powerful, when she was talking about
Speaker 6: the January sixth insurrection and she aligned that with Charlottesville
Speaker 6: in the history of white supremacist supremacist mobs, and I
Speaker 6: thought that was a very solid and clear talking point
Speaker 6: where she was speaking against this activity and white supremacy.
Speaker 6: So for me, I want to see more of that.
Speaker 6: I think on an abortion she was strong but specifically
Speaker 6: speaking about what needs to be done and if it
Speaker 6: could be done right about codifying Roe. I don't think
Speaker 6: she got into the details and actually the process of
Speaker 6: how that happens. I feel like there should have been
Speaker 6: questions around gun violence. There was an incident recently in
Speaker 6: Georgia where there was a school shooting that wasn't addressed.
Speaker 6: I think the issue of reparations for black folks is important.
Speaker 6: I think talking about cancellation of student loans is a
Speaker 6: big issue folks are talking about, and really the nitty
Speaker 6: gritty around how the economy moves forward. I felt like,
Speaker 6: and I'm interested in hearing what Linda thinks about it.
Speaker 6: Her perspective around the war or the genocide taking place
Speaker 6: in Palestine was strong. I felt like she said, we
Speaker 6: need to see spire, we need to figure this out.
Speaker 3: She didn't speak specifically on how she will do that.
Speaker 6: She talked about the issue of the United States arming Israel,
Speaker 6: but I feel like she's moving in a direction away
Speaker 6: from where Biden was, and for me, that's what I
Speaker 6: want to see more from her around how do you
Speaker 6: really make a distinction between who you are and will
Speaker 6: be as a president and who Joe Biden was in
Speaker 6: that establishment was so I'd like to see more of that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I won't even react to it. I don't know,
Speaker 5: my son, maybe you have some reactions.
Speaker 2: But first let's go.
Speaker 5: Ahead and do wanna have.
Speaker 2: You to speak to what you heard tonight?
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I'm very excited to be on
Speaker 7: the in the moment with you all tonight.
Speaker 1: I think that myself. I'm also the founder.
Speaker 7: Of what Vote, and although we are a nonpartisan organization,
Speaker 7: we two were having multiple watch parties across the country
Speaker 7: tonight and my phone was blowing up all through the night,
Speaker 7: which I felt was, as Angelo said earlier, an indication
Speaker 7: of something that up until about August. First, I would
Speaker 7: say we were struggling with in states like North Carolina,
Speaker 7: particularly in states like Michigan, we were struggling with a
Speaker 7: galvanizing agent. And what do I mean by that? We
Speaker 7: were struggling with people actually caring enough or just being
Speaker 7: burnt out on what they were hearing, the voices that
Speaker 7: they were hearing it from the just the whole rhetoric
Speaker 7: of the election, and what we saw tonight and what
Speaker 7: quite frankly we've been seeing over the last several weeks,
Speaker 7: are people galvanized and energize by just the mere thought
Speaker 7: of an adult in the room. And so when you
Speaker 7: talk to me about what was my initial reaction and
Speaker 7: to me, just said this earlier, and I'm somewhat embarrassed
Speaker 7: that she said it, but it's the truth. I honestly
Speaker 7: was am so tired of foolishness as it relates to
Speaker 7: not dealing with what is real, what is fact?
Speaker 1: What is truth? What? What are the real issues at hand?
Speaker 7: That I really didn't feel like listening to former President
Speaker 7: Donald Trump tonight. And I really didn't feel like having
Speaker 7: to watch a capable, competent, and accomplished leader deal with
Speaker 7: someone who has openly completely thrown away rule of law,
Speaker 7: completely thrown away decorum, and really in a lot of way,
Speaker 7: it's completely thrown away what the core values of the Constitution.
Speaker 1: And so I get tired, particularly as a black woman.
Speaker 7: I just wasn't sure that I had to watch it,
Speaker 7: But I'm glad that I did because two things really
Speaker 7: stuck out to me. Number One, we have been saying
Speaker 7: we need somebody presidential, we need somebody alert, we need
Speaker 7: someone who seems ready on day one, and I felt
Speaker 7: like Vice President Harris presented that tonight. I felt like
Speaker 7: she remained metered when she was easily. I mean, there
Speaker 7: are moments where I saw it on her face, like
Speaker 7: I noticed, Joka is not going there, or I know
Speaker 7: this lie is not you know, like there were moments
Speaker 7: where she was human, and I think that's fine, because
Speaker 7: we want to see the humanity in our leaders. But
Speaker 7: she never, not once seemed unpresidential. And I think that
Speaker 7: that is critical for the American people right now. I
Speaker 7: think it's critical for those who have been tired by
Speaker 7: the circus that many of have called this election cycle.
Speaker 7: And so I think she remained metered, and she to
Speaker 7: some extent, remained able to.
Speaker 1: Stick to her to her script.
Speaker 7: Now that being said, my second thought was, I really
Speaker 7: wish we could get and I think Angelo, you spoke
Speaker 7: to this.
Speaker 1: I really wish we.
Speaker 7: Could get past just having to show or prove and
Speaker 7: say you're wrong. I really wish we could get to
Speaker 7: and here's what I would actually do. There wasn't enough
Speaker 7: time because we were having to babysit an individual who clearly,
Speaker 7: you know, has checked out of so many processes. Whether
Speaker 7: he was checked it or not, I'm not even sure,
Speaker 7: but having to babysit his ego, his revision, as history,
Speaker 7: his complete lack of respect. We really didn't have time
Speaker 7: sometimes to really dig into what I think would have
Speaker 7: been necessary and critical, which is, you know, tell us
Speaker 7: more about, you know, what your policy is. Vice President Harris,
Speaker 7: I think had you know, she she broke moments where
Speaker 7: she where she shared, you know, she she kept talking
Speaker 7: about an opportunity economy and I think that strong language,
Speaker 7: but what does that really mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: And she talked about you know, the six thousand dollars
Speaker 7: she wants to give family.
Speaker 1: She talked about supporting small businesses.
Speaker 7: How right, As someone who has been a political appointee
Speaker 7: to the to the US Small Business and administration, I
Speaker 7: can tell you.
Speaker 1: That there there's a lot to talk about as.
Speaker 7: It relates to supporting and maintaining small businesses. And so
Speaker 7: I believe that there were opportunities that were clearly missed
Speaker 7: by both candidates quite frankly, to be able to really
Speaker 7: tell the American people what it is that they.
Speaker 1: What it is that they plan to do.
Speaker 7: I think the last thing I would just say is
Speaker 7: that her one of her strongest moments to me.
Speaker 1: Was clearly when.
Speaker 7: She told old former President Trump that I you're not
Speaker 7: running against Joe Biden, right, you're running against me. And
Speaker 7: I think that was important because this is someone who
Speaker 7: is seeking to erase her and a race who she
Speaker 7: has been as a leader and or frame who she
Speaker 7: has been as a leader.
Speaker 1: He's also tried to frame who she is just as the.
Speaker 7: Person, right, And so I think that her ability to
Speaker 7: say that very strategically and very strongly on the stage
Speaker 7: tonight and to remind him that she does not have
Speaker 7: to run on uh, she does not, she does not
Speaker 7: have to run as Joe Biden. She's running as Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7: I think that was a very strong point tonight.
Speaker 4: I Concurr, I think the thing that you and Angelo
Speaker 4: said pretty much murdered.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: They were definitely times where I think that, like you said,
Speaker 4: it became more of just a fact checking moment.
Speaker 3: I think what I'm from President Trump.
Speaker 4: Has done has turned this election into where you have
Speaker 4: to correct misinformation all the time. So in doing that,
Speaker 4: you know the opportunity to actually present what it is
Speaker 4: that you plan to do and give you know, your
Speaker 4: vision for what America should look like, you know. So
Speaker 4: I think that's definitely true. I think also what we
Speaker 4: have to be very knowledgeable about is that there are
Speaker 4: we have no perfect candidates, you know, just the reality
Speaker 4: of what it is.
Speaker 3: There's no perfect candidates.
Speaker 4: There are things, you know, like I'm definitely against what's
Speaker 4: going on inside Gaza, you know, and that Vice President
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is part of the administration that is funding
Speaker 4: the genocide and Gaza. So that is very something that
Speaker 4: I paid much attention to. But I just also understand,
Speaker 4: you know, what it is that Donald Trump represents. Even
Speaker 4: when they talked about that, he just completely didn't even
Speaker 4: speak on it.
Speaker 3: He went back to the same thing. And it's just
Speaker 3: for me. It's just for me.
Speaker 4: There was an adult and there was a child, and
Speaker 4: that's what it was, you know, just listening to Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: there was just rhetoric.
Speaker 3: It was just I was just.
Speaker 4: I was so confused at points, like how how has
Speaker 4: America come to the point where someone like this can
Speaker 4: actually be the president of him?
Speaker 3: I was ashamed. I was embarrassed. You know, I have
Speaker 3: a thirteen and a ten.
Speaker 4: Year old and I know that they could have probably
Speaker 4: spoke better than that, and it's just to me, it's
Speaker 4: just like, I'm it's just I'm perplexed at this point,
Speaker 4: and it's not, and I'm not anybody else can think that,
Speaker 4: you know, he said this and that, But for me,
Speaker 4: I'm actually perplexed as as how does someone like that,
Speaker 4: who lacks so much presidentialists, who lacks emotional stability, emotional intelligence,
Speaker 4: who just lacks the things that I see as someone
Speaker 4: who can lead a nation, can actually be a viable candidate.
Speaker 3: It's just and just make It's really just. It depresses me,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what anybody else thinks, but I
Speaker 4: just want to say that just to be clear off
Speaker 4: the front, that that's exactly how I felt.
Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Mice, Jules.
Speaker 5: I think we could pivot and you should talk about
Speaker 5: your reactions as well. But I just want to know,
Speaker 5: as someone who is a Donald Trump fact checker, about
Speaker 5: how many lies did you hear tonight?
Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, it would be easier to count the
Speaker 8: truths that he told, which would probably fit. On one hand,
Speaker 8: I do want to say, also, thank you for inviting
Speaker 8: me into this conversation. It's really hard to even say
Speaker 8: how many lies he told because you know, like my
Speaker 8: son just said, he doesn't really fully talk in complete
Speaker 8: sentences or with like proper rammer. So when he says
Speaker 8: things like, you know about the Afghanistan withdrawal, that well,
Speaker 8: they made a list and it said this, this, this,
Speaker 8: this and this, and then they didn't do those things.
Speaker 8: I don't exc you know what I mean, it's hard
Speaker 8: to say what that even means and how to respond
Speaker 8: to it. I think there were some, you know, there
Speaker 8: were like the crazy headline lies abortion after birth and
Speaker 8: interesting and yet completely absurd concept. It would be called
Speaker 8: murder or infanticide, not abortion at that point. You know,
Speaker 8: I think that the pets being eaten and kidnapped is
Speaker 8: is bizarre. The rally sizes, the you know, millions, I
Speaker 8: think he said millions and millions and millions of people
Speaker 8: have died in Ukraine, which is news, he said, you know,
Speaker 8: you know all the things, twenty one million people coming
Speaker 8: across the border. There's just a lot. That's heart crime
Speaker 8: is at an all time high when we know it's
Speaker 8: at a historic low. It's it would take all day
Speaker 8: and all of her two minutes to actually rebut the
Speaker 8: things that had come before. I thought she did a
Speaker 8: really masterful job given the challenging circumstances of what she
Speaker 8: had to do. I mean, I think we saw you know,
Speaker 8: we've seen people debate and not and I don't mean
Speaker 8: Joe Biden last month, but Joe Biden four years ago,
Speaker 8: Hillary Clinton eight years ago. We've seen people have to
Speaker 8: deal with Donald Trump on a stage, and it's not easy.
Speaker 8: I think she did an incredible job. And I think
Speaker 8: we know that as a woman, as a black woman,
Speaker 8: and as a an accomplished person, she the bar for
Speaker 8: her in that circumstance was still so impossibly high, and
Speaker 8: the bar for him, a former president, was so ridiculously
Speaker 8: low that he could have you know, crawled under it.
Speaker 8: And I and yet we find ourselves in this situation where,
Speaker 8: like I think, you know, Dowana and Angelo both said,
Speaker 8: we still wish that there could have been more substance.
Speaker 8: I would have liked to hear more about, you know,
Speaker 8: codifying a row and why we didn't do that. I'd
Speaker 8: like to hear more about, you know, gun policy and education.
Speaker 8: And I like the things that she's put forward. I
Speaker 8: like the kind of working class, middle class, common sense,
Speaker 8: you know, dinner table kind of things that she's talking about,
Speaker 8: like the child tax credits and the first time child
Speaker 8: tax credit, which I think is brand new and sounds
Speaker 8: really important, you know, for first time parents and things
Speaker 8: like that. I like the idea of lowering housing costs,
Speaker 8: but I haven't really heard how she's going to do that,
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think overall, I think she did a
Speaker 8: really solid job. I you know, I was laughing when
Speaker 8: Dwata said she didn't want to go. I should have
Speaker 8: been in Brooklyn tonight with my son and Angelo, but
Speaker 8: I was so full of nerves and dread and stress
Speaker 8: about what could happen tonight that I was afraid of
Speaker 8: being in a public space. So being on my couch
Speaker 8: and screaming at my television and the privacy of my
Speaker 8: own home was probably the best place for me. But overall, yeah,
Speaker 8: I thought you did great.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I think, I know agree with all of you that
Speaker 5: it really is a disservice to the American people because
Speaker 5: we should have been able to use this opportunit community
Speaker 5: to hear about the things that so many.
Speaker 2: People are struggling with. Instead, she's in a match. Vice
Speaker 2: President Harris is in a match with someone who.
Speaker 5: Is a master of confusion. That is what he does
Speaker 5: for a living. This is how he has been able
Speaker 5: to in many ways gain the type of notoriety and
Speaker 5: following that he has that people who also meddle in
Speaker 5: a lot of confusion. They love him. He's on TV.
Speaker 5: We already know when you're on a reality TV show.
Speaker 5: What do we see on every single one of them,
Speaker 5: Whether we like the people on the shows or not,
Speaker 5: there's confusion. His marketing has always been about confusion. That's
Speaker 5: what he does. And at one point, Dwana, you said
Speaker 5: that you know, it's not just that he's trying to
Speaker 5: confuse her, but the rest of us are confused about
Speaker 5: even what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: And I'm not confused.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 5: I understand that Donald Trump is a master manipulator who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have anything to say.
Speaker 5: And while we're sitting here understanding that he could potentially
Speaker 5: win being win the presidency again, you at Dowana and
Speaker 5: others are trying to figure out, like what are we
Speaker 5: getting ourselves into? You know, we know pretty much from
Speaker 5: the last presidency but his last term, but still really
Speaker 5: listening to him carefully, and I'm just sitting here looking
Speaker 5: at him like this is the same man who did
Speaker 5: the three card Miley game on me in the Bronx
Speaker 5: on Fordham Row when I was a teenager that my
Speaker 5: parents sold me, don't give him my money, and I
Speaker 5: went out there and did it anyway. And you can't
Speaker 5: win the game with him. The only thing he can
Speaker 5: do is distract you and take you up your point.
Speaker 5: So I agree with you Dowana that at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, we didn't really want to watch it.
Speaker 5: We don't even have the capacity at this time when
Speaker 5: people are truly trying to figure out how they're going
Speaker 5: to not just survive, but thrive. We don't have the
Speaker 5: time to go back to four or however many years
Speaker 5: ago was now what is it eight years ago and
Speaker 5: have to deal with somebody like Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So that's how I feel, you know.
Speaker 5: I hope that you all will have closing thoughts, especially
Speaker 5: as you know, in terms of what is important, What
Speaker 5: do you really really want to see happen? If there
Speaker 5: is another debate, or if there's another conversation.
Speaker 2: What can we do?
Speaker 5: Because one of the things I will say, and again
Speaker 5: I agree with everyone here that Vice President Harris hand
Speaker 5: throled the situation.
Speaker 2: She was very solid, she.
Speaker 5: Was strong, and in many ways she was masterful in
Speaker 5: terms of bringing him, bringing.
Speaker 2: Out all of his either lies or.
Speaker 5: Disrespectful things that he said, or illegal things that he
Speaker 5: said that he cannot deny because they came out of
Speaker 5: his mouth.
Speaker 2: So I think she was masterful in that way.
Speaker 5: But the opening when she was asked a very specific
Speaker 5: question about how whether or not people are doing better,
Speaker 5: how people are feeling there is a void from both
Speaker 5: of them and being able to articulate the pain, the trauma,
Speaker 5: the stress, and the outright brokeness of many people in
Speaker 5: this country at this time.
Speaker 2: So let's just wrap.
Speaker 5: It up on any particular thoughts that you know, the
Speaker 5: constituents you're working with want to hear about, and hopefully
Speaker 5: we will be able to do the work together. Not hopefully,
Speaker 5: but we will to make sure that the agenda is
Speaker 5: pushed that we have on Vice President Harris. Hopefully she
Speaker 5: will win and ultimately she will be able to take
Speaker 5: a part of pieces of the agenda that we have,
Speaker 5: the agenda that she set forth and other important stakeholders
Speaker 5: feelings about what needs to.
Speaker 2: Happen in this nation and put it into effect. Whoever
Speaker 2: wants to go.
Speaker 8: For well, I'll just quickly say, I mean I work
Speaker 8: for you guys, so I you know I am, I
Speaker 8: am all in with until Freedom's vision for you know,
Speaker 8: really coming up to me, the idea of the Project
Speaker 8: Freedom platform is so smart and so important. And I
Speaker 8: know we've all said it before, or I think some
Speaker 8: of us have said it before internally, and I'm sure
Speaker 8: it's been said on the show before. But you know,
Speaker 8: we were not electing our friends, right, We're electing really
Speaker 8: our opponents, our policy opponents. They might be on our
Speaker 8: sides sometimes, but there's never been a president in the
Speaker 8: history of America that's been on any of our sides,
Speaker 8: even most of the time. So I would say that,
Speaker 8: you know, who do you want to work with and fight?
Speaker 8: You want to fight Kamala and we want to move
Speaker 8: her to our side. And we have a viable, implementable
Speaker 8: set of ideas that everyone on this call, and so
Speaker 8: many of our colleagues and respected you know people in
Speaker 8: the community have bought into. Is just this idea that
Speaker 8: there are things we can do to move important policy
Speaker 8: for black and brown communities forward. On a personal note,
Speaker 8: I'm a white person and so I have been doing
Speaker 8: what I can in you know, certain communities to try
Speaker 8: and bring more kind of engagement to certain voters. And
Speaker 8: I talked to Temik about this all the time. But
Speaker 8: my brother, you know, I love him so much. He
Speaker 8: is would be considered a low propensity voter. He voted
Speaker 8: for I think his first time or maybe his second
Speaker 8: time in his life last time, and and he just
Speaker 8: did it because he thought he should. Now he is,
Speaker 8: it's like a one eighty. He's he's engaged, he's he's listening,
Speaker 8: he's reading, he asks questions. He joined the White Guys
Speaker 8: for Kamala Kall. He told me about it. I didn't
Speaker 8: know about it first. You know, things like that he donated,
Speaker 8: never has donated in his life. That it's it's not
Speaker 8: that he was a maga person, because he wasn't. He
Speaker 8: wasn't really engaged at all. But to see him engaged
Speaker 8: is so incredibly gratifying, and to hear him relay, be excited,
Speaker 8: to relate to me conversations he's having with other white
Speaker 8: men in places like Vermont where he lives, in Connecticut
Speaker 8: where we're from. You know, it's it's not Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 8: North Carolina, Arizona, or Nevada, but it's I hope, indicative
Speaker 8: of those places. So that I'm you know, that's what
Speaker 8: I'm sort of trying to focus on for the next
Speaker 8: whatever it is six or seven weeks.
Speaker 7: I guess I'll jump in at that. I wasn't sure
Speaker 7: of Angelo or Mice was gonna jump in, But you know,
Speaker 7: I think what I'm taking with me again in the
Speaker 7: work that we do having to be nonpartisan. I think
Speaker 7: the biggest thing that I'm concerned about going into this
Speaker 7: election cycle is the voter suppression. Their rampant as my
Speaker 7: son talked about earlier, voter misinformation and disinformation and now information.
Speaker 7: Let's be clear that it's happening. And what I'm most
Speaker 7: concerned about is that that information is coming from people
Speaker 7: who look like us and who are typically people that
Speaker 7: we would trust. What do I mean by that? You
Speaker 7: or it was an example of that. So if you
Speaker 7: can remember back to twenty twenty, when we were hearing
Speaker 7: about COVID for the first time, and people were telling
Speaker 7: their loved ones to do certain things, not because they
Speaker 7: wanted to fear them in the wrong direction, but in
Speaker 7: fact the were afraid and they were trying to provide
Speaker 7: some sort of solution. Even though the solutions that they
Speaker 7: were coming up with or that they were sharing were
Speaker 7: not vetted. They were not uh that there was they
Speaker 7: were not coming from valid sources, but it was in
Speaker 7: the desire to have a solution, It was in the
Speaker 7: desire to want to take care of and want to
Speaker 7: move forward. And sometimes I feel like we're seeing that
Speaker 7: right now. We are seeing misinformation, disinformation and and malinformation,
Speaker 7: not always from a place of uh just absolute I
Speaker 7: intend to do harm, but people who actually believe they
Speaker 7: love us and actually believe that they want to see
Speaker 7: better for us. And so our jobs are really really
Speaker 7: intentional over the next several weeks, and that job is
Speaker 7: to tell the truth, have trusted information, validated resources, validation
Speaker 7: speakers so that we can all be on the same
Speaker 7: page about what is critical and what is righteous for
Speaker 7: our people.
Speaker 1: Make it. Let's be very clear.
Speaker 7: One of the things that Kamala Harris was strong on
Speaker 7: tonight was the fact that Donald Trump has tried to
Speaker 7: overthrow this government that he in fact didn't, has continued
Speaker 7: to deny the outcomes of the previous election cycle that
Speaker 7: he has uh fought very hard along with those who
Speaker 7: support him, to still put into into uh impact voting
Speaker 7: rights and voter voters rights. And so I actruly believe
Speaker 7: that we're going to see an attack We're already seen
Speaker 7: couraging in multiple states across the country and uh getting
Speaker 7: reports of uh, you know, things like uh. Even in
Speaker 7: the state of North Carolina where we're currently doing work,
Speaker 7: there are polling locations that have been pulling locations for
Speaker 7: years that are all of a sudden no longer a
Speaker 7: Poland location. And we're finding this out as we're getting
Speaker 7: ready to do early vote right that starts in North
Speaker 7: Carolina and on October seventeen.
Speaker 1: So the reality is.
Speaker 7: We've got a lot of work to do to make
Speaker 7: sure that our people are able to exercise their right
Speaker 7: to vote, that they have the best information that's available,
Speaker 7: that they feel confident in that information, and they feel
Speaker 7: confident with their.
Speaker 1: Ability to go to the poll and to exercise that vote.
Speaker 7: I think it's also important to note that while guests
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are at the top of
Speaker 7: the ticket, there are so many important pieces on the
Speaker 7: ballot up and down the ballot this year, and that.
Speaker 1: We have to do.
Speaker 7: We have to turn out for each one of those fights.
Speaker 7: One very particular one that I tell people all the
Speaker 7: time in North Carolina, there is still on the ballot
Speaker 7: right now. They are trying to make sure that literacy
Speaker 7: tests are finally taken off literacy tests, right, and what
Speaker 7: does that mean? That means that when black folk went
Speaker 7: to the polls back in the fifties and sixties, they
Speaker 7: were given literacy tests to determine whether or not they
Speaker 7: can vote. That same test is still applicable according to
Speaker 7: the North Carolina Constitution. It was still applicable in Alabama
Speaker 7: within the last election cycle. So these are the things
Speaker 7: that are still on the ballot that we're fighting for.
Speaker 7: So we cannot lose sight of the fights that are
Speaker 7: up and down the ballot. And so I believe that
Speaker 7: that is our work to do, is to connect all
Speaker 7: of the pieces, to connect the dots, and to remind
Speaker 7: people that, yes, we can shake our head at Donald
Speaker 7: Trump for thinking that you know, you know something that's
Speaker 7: going on with that man. We could also be strict
Speaker 7: and concerned about holding Kamala accountable to be the kind
Speaker 7: of leader that we need. But we also have to
Speaker 7: ensure that those who are actually legislating up and down,
Speaker 7: or that are providing resources or suppose to provide legislation
Speaker 7: and opportunities for us up and down at that ballot,
Speaker 7: that they that they know that it's not that we're
Speaker 7: not just holding the two people at the top of
Speaker 7: the ballot accountable. We're holding everybody accountable, and we're going
Speaker 7: to do that with our vote in November.
Speaker 2: All right, we're wrapping up my son and Angelo.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Angela, Oh yeah, just quickly. I mean, I
Speaker 6: think what Dwana said is very important. That there are
Speaker 6: so many elections happening beyond the presidential election that people
Speaker 6: have to pay attention to, which is critical for folks
Speaker 6: to vote. But what I will say is, before Kamala
Speaker 6: got in the race, people were not excited. The vast
Speaker 6: majority of the country was not excited about Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: They weren't excited about Joe Biden. I think most people
Speaker 6: are not excited about Donald Trump. But I think people
Speaker 6: are open to the possibility of what a Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: presidency can be. But I think that means she now
Speaker 6: has to show up in a particular kind of way.
Speaker 6: I think she has to be aggressive, if not more
Speaker 6: aggressive than Donald Trump. She has to be very specific
Speaker 6: about what her policies are and what she will deliver
Speaker 6: for the American people, because people want to know about
Speaker 6: the economy, people want to know about how she's going
Speaker 6: to handle my migrants, People want to know how she's
Speaker 6: going to handle gun violence. People want to know how
Speaker 6: she's going to handle reparations. People want to know how
Speaker 6: you're going to handle these issues, and that you're different
Speaker 6: than the traditional politicians that we've seen who have failed
Speaker 6: to deliver on so many things. People are excited right now,
Speaker 6: but excitement can wane and they can leave quickly. So
Speaker 6: I think she has to get out in front of
Speaker 6: that and show how she's different than Joe Biden and
Speaker 6: how she stands differently than the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: I think the other pieces, she has.
Speaker 6: To really find a way how to go to the
Speaker 6: people and speak to the people around the issues they
Speaker 6: care about. I think there's a lot of folks around
Speaker 6: the country who are still not excited, who still are
Speaker 6: not interested in voting, who are important to decide this election,
Speaker 6: and what will be critical is getting out to those people,
Speaker 6: aligning herself with the individuals who are ready connected to
Speaker 6: those people who already have the ears of those folks,
Speaker 6: and really do something different. I think people across the
Speaker 6: country the reason why they weren't excited about Trump or
Speaker 6: Biden is because they want to see something different politically.
Speaker 3: People are excited because physically.
Speaker 6: She represents something different politically, a black woman, something we
Speaker 6: haven't seen before. But it's important that she doesn't just
Speaker 6: represent that in appearance, but she represents that in substance.
Speaker 6: And not only is that critical, but it will be
Speaker 6: a game changer in how people show up. One of
Speaker 6: the things that's going to be important for that, and
Speaker 6: this is the last thing I'll say, is that she
Speaker 6: has to make sure she starts to listen and hear
Speaker 6: from different people. She can't only listen to and hear
Speaker 6: from the folks who the Biden administration and the Democratic
Speaker 6: establishment traditionally hears from. It's time for something new.
Speaker 3: People are excited about her a.
Speaker 6: Little because they want her to be something different and
Speaker 6: represent something that the party traditionally does not. She has
Speaker 6: a window of opportunity between now and the election to
Speaker 6: do that. I think you'll see an up to time
Speaker 6: in the polls favorably for her. But she still has
Speaker 6: a lot of room to grow and I'm hopeful that
Speaker 6: she doesn't.
Speaker 4: And out and just was saying, you know, there's that
Speaker 4: we've seen the difference. You know, there there's levels like
Speaker 4: we say this in the hood, we say it's levels
Speaker 4: to this ship, and when you see, when you actually
Speaker 4: listen and you just pay attention, you just see that
Speaker 4: one person actually has the capability to be a leader,
Speaker 4: and the other person is just pretending, you know, like
Speaker 4: he's done pretty much most of his life. You know,
Speaker 4: he's been on reality TV, and it's the same strategy
Speaker 4: like that, It's the same tired rhetoric that you continue
Speaker 4: to run, you know, and I just know, for me,
Speaker 4: it just wasn't even.
Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that we actually have in this conversation.
Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed that there are people that actually think this
Speaker 4: is a person that can actually run this country. You know,
Speaker 4: it just it just looked like a flawless victory to me.
Speaker 4: You know, I definitely want her to get strong on
Speaker 4: certain issues. You know, I think that there's an opportunity
Speaker 4: for her to do that. I think given the opportunity
Speaker 4: that she can do a lot with this country, I
Speaker 4: think she wants to do it. I think she has
Speaker 4: a lot to prove, and I think just listening to
Speaker 4: her and looking at I think she wants to prove that.
Speaker 4: I think she wants to show people that she's capable.
Speaker 4: I think being the first woman, being the first black
Speaker 4: woman being as a president. I think she has a
Speaker 4: lot to prove and I think she wants to do that.
Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump is interested in one thing. I
Speaker 4: think he has had four years in office, and he
Speaker 4: knows the system.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: You know, he knows how to move around, he knows
Speaker 4: how to make him and his rich buddies richer. You know,
Speaker 4: he knows how to make deals with foreign countries, you know,
Speaker 4: to continue to keep us, you know, sedate it. And
Speaker 4: I think that he wants to get back into office
Speaker 4: and eager for him to get back into office to
Speaker 4: do that, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm hopeful, you know.
Speaker 4: I think tonight was a big step towards you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of people were talking about this debate.
Speaker 3: This debate. I never thought there was a chance that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Donald Trump was going to out debate a black women,
Speaker 4: because you're just not going to beat no black women,
Speaker 4: no argument. That's just not a thing ever. But you know,
Speaker 4: it just it was just very good to know that
Speaker 4: I was right.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks everyone, you know, I agree with you, nice
Speaker 5: It's hard to do out debate a black women. That's
Speaker 5: why you don't try to debate your black Mama, maybe you're.
Speaker 2: Black white, you're black boss. Just any black woman, We're
Speaker 2: going to go all the.
Speaker 5: Way to the end to prove what we want to
Speaker 5: be able to prove and to really force a conversation
Speaker 5: around factual ideas.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: That's something that black women have had no choice but
Speaker 5: to do throughout our existence. And that doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 5: saying that we always tell the truth in the middle
Speaker 5: of an argument either, But I hope that Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: was doing that in terms of her values and you know,
Speaker 5: her considerations for the American people.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of work to do, y'all.
Speaker 5: I think we all know that, and there is no
Speaker 5: better group of individuals that I would like to do
Speaker 5: to work with than do Wanna Thompson, who's co founder
Speaker 5: I think you are, do Wanna of Vote Vote, as
Speaker 5: well as CEO of the Black Equity Trust, and of
Speaker 5: course Julianne Hoffenberg, who supports until freedom in so many ways,
Speaker 5: who is also in our own right and entrepreneur, a
Speaker 5: business leader, and a thought leader. In terms of all
Speaker 5: the things that you all see you see us working
Speaker 5: on projects, Jules is there in the midst of it
Speaker 5: making stuff happen every days. Important that when we have
Speaker 5: these conversations again, we're not just talking to pundance, which
Speaker 5: you know, there's some pundits that have some real powerful
Speaker 5: things to say, but we're also talking to people who
Speaker 5: will knock on those doors, who will show up in
Speaker 5: the communities where folks are saying, I hear y'all y'all
Speaker 5: talking about debates, y'all having conventions.
Speaker 2: Y'all having events, y'all having rallies.
Speaker 5: You're doing all of that, and still the police are
Speaker 5: terrorizing our community. Still, we live in a food desert,
Speaker 5: and we have food insecurity. Still, we don't know where
Speaker 5: our voting polls may be. Sometimes our names are purged
Speaker 5: from the voting roles, So even if you want me
Speaker 5: to vote, I might not be able to show up. Still,
Speaker 5: the eggs are ten dollars, Still, the gas is too high.
Speaker 2: Still I can't get a loan.
Speaker 5: All of those things are still happening even under the
Speaker 5: Biden Harris administration. And therefore we have to be able
Speaker 5: to really hear a clear cut difference and understand what
Speaker 5: it is that she going to do. And I hope
Speaker 5: that we can push the vice president to be even
Speaker 5: better than she believes that she can be, because that
Speaker 5: is what people have had to do time and time again,
Speaker 5: is to help all of us to realize our true
Speaker 5: selves and to be our best. So thank y'all so much.
Speaker 5: Also neglected to mention again our brother Angelo Pinto, co
Speaker 5: founder of Until Freedom, also so many things. It's too
Speaker 5: late at Noel's first of all, it's too early. It's
Speaker 5: six a m. Where I am to go down the
Speaker 5: list of everything that Angelo does. But just know that
Speaker 5: in terms of the brilliance of Until Freedom, there is
Speaker 5: this gentleman Angelo Pinto who helps us to really truly
Speaker 5: be on our gain and at the cusp of all
Speaker 5: the issues with super critical thoughts and points even when
Speaker 5: we don't agree. So we love you Angelo, and Douanna
Speaker 5: and Julienne. Thank y'all so much for joining us.
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