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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of Five

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there,

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Speaker 1: there's Jerry out there, our ethereal ephemeral producer, and this

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Speaker 1: is Stuff you Should Know, which um for this edition.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we should be playing like harpsichord or

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Speaker 1: a little? Yeah? Jerry knows what she's She knows her

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Speaker 1: way around an old harpsichord, so maybe maybe she can

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Speaker 1: do that for us. I wonder if we have a

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Speaker 1: message break stinger that's harpsichord. Oh, that's a great question,

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Speaker 1: because we've been getting I mean, we've gotten great ones

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Speaker 1: of you who don't know, those are made by listeners. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: submitted out of the goodness of their hearts for yep

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Speaker 1: to say. Here you go, guys, I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: You can use it all you want. It's very sweet.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the printing press, and um, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the invention of the printing press, and the

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Speaker 1: printing press itself is basically synonymous with a man named

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Speaker 1: Johann Gutenberg. Johannes we just got right out of the

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Speaker 1: gate man. I'm going with Johann Gutenberg, or as the

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Speaker 1: rest of us in the world call him Gutenberg, let's

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Speaker 1: call him Steve Gutenberg gut Buck. Okay, okay. So, Um

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Speaker 1: Gutenberg is traditionally credited with inventing the printing press, and

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Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, he did invent the printing press.

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Speaker 1: But um, as our friend ed Grabanowski goes with great

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Speaker 1: a whole cloth, as apparently some people believe that that

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Speaker 1: for him that he that he put together. Like every

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Speaker 1: inventor whoever invented anything, he he built on different concepts

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Speaker 1: that have been worked out over centuries. Um. The thing

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Speaker 1: is is, like that's not to detract from his accomplishment

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. Like what he did literally change

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Speaker 1: the world, as we'll see in some amazing ways, but

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Speaker 1: he helped provide the first information age and got really

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Speaker 1: kind of screwed over in the bargain. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a familiar story at this point, right, sadly, yes, man,

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of sick of that. I wish which

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Speaker 1: one of stealing, of building on others, or of yeah,

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Speaker 1: the second one. No, I understand building on the work

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Speaker 1: think Guttenberg ever said like, no, I invented all of

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Speaker 1: hung on him over the years. By sixth graders, we

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Speaker 1: built on the work of Adam Curry. We didn't he

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Speaker 1: still at it? Did you know that he's still podcasting?

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Speaker 1: I'm almost a million percent sure, which is really sure?

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Speaker 1: And did he really have the first one? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he had the first, but he's credited with

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Speaker 1: social media, for sure. So for the printing press, if

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Speaker 1: Look at his hair, just waving that very nice. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We would go back and see people carving up these

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Speaker 1: things into would uh and then they would um. It's

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Speaker 1: sort of like a stamp you would get for a

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Speaker 1: kid these days, or if you you know, you go

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Speaker 1: Like we got a stamp made. Emily got a stamp

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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it looks like a little woodcut. But

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Speaker 1: it's not like we send people letters and stamp that

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Speaker 1: to see that on a Christmas card envelope. You know.

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to write you a letter

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Speaker 1: then put on some red lipstick huh, and then tinkle

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Speaker 1: this whole Christmas card would tinkle on it and vellum

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. So a wood cut and a long

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Speaker 1: way of saying it looks sort of like one of

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Speaker 1: these stamps. It's cut out, um, out of a wood block.

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Speaker 1: And then you take paper or vellum or something or

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Speaker 1: a little bit of text. Medieval comic books. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it was like a jack Chick tract or something. But

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Speaker 1: they were a big deal in Europe in the fourteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: and they thought that they invented something. But of course

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Speaker 1: the Chinese were like, excuse me, We've been doing this

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Speaker 1: Plus the Diamond Sutra, which was a buddhist Um text,

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Speaker 1: those blocks carved for a page. Then it was to

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Speaker 1: a collection of observations basically, he said, Oh, I mean

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Speaker 1: cook book. Well, it could be. It's a collection of

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Speaker 1: observations in a book or a pamphlet. And I think

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Speaker 1: we really missed a diamond opportunity for our book title

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Speaker 1: by not calling it like the Stuff you Should Know Sutra. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: hey if this one, if this one goes even passingly

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Speaker 1: well ourselves passingly, well we'll probably have a second chance.

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Speaker 1: You can pre order that thing, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know, No, boy, you could pre pre

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Speaker 1: order that one, right. I'm getting limber as we speak

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Speaker 1: to try to get that one done. Right. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can preorder our book, an incomplete compendium of mostly interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff Sutra. Thanks. You should have just had comma comma sutra,

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Speaker 1: get it right. I like that? So that was one

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Speaker 1: it is, so they got wrong here, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: so the whole thing starts about eleven years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that makes more sense. Yeah, but that's the one

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Speaker 1: block carvings. Yeah, that's insane. That means not only that

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Speaker 1: somebody carved that, but somebody kept that like at their house.

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Speaker 1: Imagine living around a hundred and thirty thousand wood block carvings,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't care about reading or literacy or

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Speaker 1: What if all this had started a good thousand years earlier,

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Speaker 1: Like some say that religion and democracy and I mean

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Speaker 1: It was key to advancing all those things. Do you

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Speaker 1: I definitely am on board with that because, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: the first information age that got launched by Guttenberg, by

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Speaker 1: Steve gut Is it really? He is the nicest guy too.

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Speaker 1: with him and that he's still just as nice as

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Speaker 1: he was a few years ago. Well, I highly recommend

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Speaker 1: you know, I've always um promoted the Great Great Stars

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Speaker 1: all time, and Goots has a great, great, great episode

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Speaker 1: big fat coffee table book. Eleven by eight mm hmm.

426
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: They seem a little wider than that. But thirty six

427
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: that's as high as I'm going. So he said, uh,

428
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: one dollar. He said that I'm gonna I'm gonna not

429
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: start with the Bible. Too much to bite off. It's

430
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: a little doll um. So I'm gonna start out with

431
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: some other stuff. I'm gonna print some um, some pamphlets.

432
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can sell these things. I'm

433
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna see how good they look. And h he did.

434
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: He printed a grammar book, um was one of the

435
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: first things. This is from another lawsuit by a Roman

436
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: writer and it was a popular book, which was again

437
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: it's a smart thing that he did. Is is basically

438
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: taking like what would be a bestseller at the time

439
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: and seeing if he could mass produce it instead of

440
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: block book as a regular printed book. Right. So he

441
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: was also doing broad cheese Wi your kind like early newspapers,

442
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: which they had a pretty We should do one on

443
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: newspapers because the early life newspapers were these broadsheets, and

444
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: sailors would buy them, read them and then take them

445
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: into town at the next port and they would be

446
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: sold to those people who who most people weren't literate

447
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: at the time, so they would hire somebody who could

448
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: read in town to read the news out at like

449
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: the local tavern or something. And we both have experience

450
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: with newspapers. Sure, man, um, I would like to do

451
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: newspapers one day. Let's do it. Oh totally, that sounds

452
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: like a two parter to me, okay, so um he

453
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: basically the upshot of all this. And I think that's

454
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: the second time I've said that. I never say that. Um.

455
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: I always want to like deliberately make everything much slower

456
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: than that, the upshot of something like you want. Just

457
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: like you said, as much as we talk about Guttenberg

458
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: and party down, you know what's sad, I'm an unreliable

459
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: narrator in my own life. Oh man, what a great quote.

460
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: So Um. The the overall general point of what we've

461
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: been saying for this moment is that he kind of

462
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: broke his teeth on some slightly easier projects to kind

463
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: of figure out the ins and outs and everything. And

464
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: then when he was finally ready to do the Bible,

465
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: he apparently was well aware that this was going to

466
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: be a masterpiece. He had figured it out and he

467
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: was ready to bite it off, and he started work

468
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: on the Guttenberg Bible, also known as the Gutenberg Bible

469
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: and also known as the forty two line Bible because

470
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: that's how many lines he had per page. Um. And

471
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: even at forty two lines per page, which was more

472
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: lines because he lowered the space in between lines to

473
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: fit more lines per page, it was still something like

474
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: twelve hundred and eighty six pages um over two volumes.

475
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: That's a lot. But the kind of bear that in mind.

476
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: What we're talking about when we talk about this project eventually,

477
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: is that he was creating twelve hundred and eighty six

478
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: page bible. Okay, yeah, one at a time. Yeah, one

479
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: page at a time. That is so, which we'll figure

480
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: in here in a second. So he starts to work,

481
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: he knows that he I mean, before he starts, he

482
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: knows that he's gonna be able to charge a lot

483
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: for these things. And he knows he's gonna need to

484
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: crank them out um as quickly as he can. So

485
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna need more space, he's gonna need more presses,

486
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna need a lot of ink and and other

487
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: little dude ads and spawn divots that it takes to

488
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: make one of these. And he's gonna need people. You know,

489
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna need some assistance. He can't do it all

490
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: by himself. Because here's where that comes back. You can

491
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: only it's not like he would print out a bible,

492
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, I got one go sell this thing

493
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: and we can continue to fund our little project. Here.

494
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: You gotta print out one page at a time, over

495
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: and over and over and over, and then print out

496
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: page two over and over and over or two and

497
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: whatever the reverse side is. And eventually you're gonna be

498
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: able to start putting them together in bound form, and

499
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: only then can you start actually making money, right, right,

500
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: So he he was Also that was another thing that

501
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't get credited for enough, I think, is that

502
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: he figured out like how to um do a rough

503
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: primitive version of an assembly line. Basically he was he

504
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: was mass producing these books out of the gate. That

505
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: was the point. You're you're mass producing it, not doing

506
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: it one page at a time, like you were saying,

507
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: like the old block books used to be. Right. So

508
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: he gets four presses going at a time, later went

509
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: up to I think six, and because of all this

510
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: upfront money that he needs to keep this going until

511
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: he can sell them and turner profit was uh, he

512
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: needed like always, he needed some dough. He he wasn't

513
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: just he didn't have his pockets lined with money. So

514
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: he had to go to a guy. And that's this

515
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: guy's name was Johann fust Hm. And and because he

516
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: calculated he would need about two years and because before

517
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: he could start selling. Yeah, the whole project, he figured

518
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: out was going to be about two years. This print

519
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: run of Bibles is going to take him two years

520
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: to do. So he needed to be able to pay

521
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: everybody he needed money for all the supplies, all the materials.

522
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: He needed to be able to survive for two years

523
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: because he would not be able to sell one single

524
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: Bible until all of them were done. None of them

525
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: were going to be done until all of them were done.

526
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: That's just the way the process worked out, right. So Foost,

527
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: I think saw the writing on the wall, knew it

528
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: was gonna be expensive, but knew that he was going

529
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: to probably be able to make a lot of money.

530
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: And who knows, I don't know this Foost guy from Adam,

531
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: but maybe in the back of his head he also thought,

532
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I might also be able to just

533
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: sue this guy at some point and take control of

534
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: these printing presses because this guy didn't have a pot

535
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: to urinate in and he's not gonna have any money.

536
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: So and that's exactly what happened. He ended up um

537
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: having no assets other than these presses. And when he

538
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: got sued and lost, and I don't even know what

539
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: he got sued for was it for taking too long? Yes, yes,

540
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: that makes the whole thing that much worse that he

541
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: was sued basically like I was saying, for being a perfectionist.

542
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: And technically Guttenberg could have gotten the Bible out before

543
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Foost sued him. Um, but again he was Yeah, just

544
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: a slightly less masterful version that would have just knocked everyone.

545
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: So had just the same amount of an impact on

546
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the world. I don't think the world would have been

547
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: changed really any um had he had he gotten him

548
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: out in a time when Foost was was willing to

549
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: not sue him, but he wasn't prepared to do that.

550
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: He was he was an artist. He was an artist.

551
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: He had the soul of an artist. So he just

552
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: kept going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole to

553
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: try to make this thing more and more perfect and elaborate.

554
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: And Foost said enough, and the court actually sided with Foost.

555
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: So Foost line him eight hundred guilden or golden um,

556
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: which at the time was about the the price of

557
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Eight houses. That's what we're going with.

558
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: We'll see in a second it will make sense. But

559
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: let's say eight average cost houses. Um, that's how much

560
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: he lent him, Then he did it again. He lent

561
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: him another eight hundred golden, and so he was into

562
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: him for sixteen hundred golden. Would have easily been able

563
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: to pay that back when he Foost. Foost sued him.

564
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: The court said, not only do you owe him sixteen

565
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: hundred golden, you owe him in interest. We're gonna say

566
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: to get this, about two thousand and twenty golden is

567
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: what he ended up having to pay Foost. Now, did

568
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: he sue him because, uh, he was that far over schedule?

569
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: The only because he told him it would take two years.

570
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Did it take like six or something? I saw that

571
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: from the court records. They believe that he was done

572
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: by fourteen fifty five, and I believe he started in

573
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: fourteen fifty three, so he was probably right on schedule.

574
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I have the impression that Foost was a bit of

575
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: an impatient sure squad well, and also get the feeling

576
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: that that Guttenberg probably didn't dot his eyes and cross

577
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: his teas contractually. Maybe not, maybe not. I could see

578
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: that too. You got to bake in a little bit

579
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: of over over time there, you know for sure. But

580
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I think I think he may have been roughly on schedule,

581
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: because because by fourteen fifty two he had created the Bible.

582
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. Here's the other reason why

583
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Foosh suing him was a bit of a screwjob or

584
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: a huge screw job. Um. And by screwjob, I mean

585
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: like the act of a screwdriver screwing a screw into

586
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: a slab of wood that the screw doesn't want to

587
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: go into that wood. It wants to stay free. That

588
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of kids. So um, the reason why, why why

589
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: it really stunk that Foos sued him, is because he

590
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: got the Bible's done. The Bible. The Bible run was completed,

591
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: and Foosh still sued him. And still one Um, if

592
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I had been foosed in, the investor would have been like, okay, fine,

593
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you finished. Um, maybe pay me more or something like that.

594
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: But that was not the case. Yeah, and who knows

595
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: what's going on back then? He could have bribed a

596
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: judge who got a piece of the action. You know.

597
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean not speculation, but I'm just saying, it's not

598
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: like today when our court system is just so perfect

599
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: in every way, right, wall, let's run exclusively by artificial intelligence.

600
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: So um ed was kind enough to cobble together if

601
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: you just sort of fun facts about that Bible run. Uh.

602
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: He printed a hundred and eighty of these things, initially

603
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: sold all of them, of course. Uh today there are

604
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: forty nine of them still around, which um ed points

605
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: out and and I agree, is a really great UM

606
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: survival percentage for something that old UM forty nine out

607
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: of a hundred and eighty. And that just sort of

608
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: pinpoints UM or or just puts a point in the

609
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: fact that puts a pin in what am I trying

610
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: to say, really drives home the fact that these things

611
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: were very cherished and taken care of from the beginning. UM.

612
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I went to see how much he could buy one

613
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: of these four Oh yeah, what'd you find? Well? Eight

614
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: seven was the last one I saw at auction. UM.

615
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: There maybe one since then, but in seven it went

616
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: for five point four million, So that was one one volume.

617
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: A complete set hasn't been auctioned since nineteen seventy eight,

618
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: for two point two million in nineteen seventy eight dollars.

619
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: From what I saw, if you were you get the

620
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: New Old Testament only or something if you're lucky, but

621
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: if the complete copy they think would be UM thirty

622
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: five million today. I think it went to auction. That

623
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: makes sense, it's about right. But so so he made

624
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: two he made two versions. He made one like a

625
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: regular version on paper and it sold for twenty golden,

626
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: and he made a vellum one on calf skin for

627
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: fifty golden. I mean forty five of those. So allow

628
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: me to figure these calculations real quick. Okay, boy, here

629
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: we go. So remember I'm going to get this right right.

630
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: So there's this historian named Andrew Petigree who says that

631
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: a house in Mainz Mines would have cost up to

632
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: a hundred golden a house. So the total that he

633
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: could have made selling this is these bibles is hundred

634
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: and eighty print run of bibles is fifty golden. It

635
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: is let's say, at a hundred golden a piece. That's

636
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: forty nine and a half houses. Don't ask about the

637
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: half of a house, but let's say today's dollars that

638
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: we're saying that a house is two hundred thousand dollars

639
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: per house. Okay, so two hundred thousand dollars times forty

640
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: nine and a half houses means that he made off

641
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: of these hundred and eighty bibles almost ten million dollars. Oh,

642
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the correction. It's right, dude, I

643
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: I am definitely right. And so here's the other thing too.

644
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: So Um, when Foost sues him and gets that twenty

645
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: like two, gets that judgment of two thousand golden against him, Um,

646
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, that ruined Guttenberg and

647
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: he died a pauper. If that Bible runs sold out,

648
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: he still would have had more than half of that

649
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: nearly ten million dollars left over after paying Foost. So

650
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: it's very much unclear that that he was a pauper

651
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: or not. The the overall point of what I've been

652
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: saying up to this moment is this upshot. It's that, Um.

653
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: That was the word you could have used earlier too,

654
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: when you were looking for a word upshot, what it worked.

655
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to encourage the use of that though.

656
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: But the the the the upshot of his that Foost

657
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: got his hands on Guttenberg's printing press right after that

658
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: that run of Bibles was made, or his six printing presses.

659
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Rather he and his and his printing assistant Um, who

660
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: was actually Foost's son in law, that he got the whole,

661
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: the whole, she bank, all this plates everything. You know.

662
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about your math stuff is what I

663
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: know the second that you start that there are thousands

664
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: of people math math busters, if you will that just

665
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: immediately get out their pencil and pad and to see

666
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: if they can prove you wrong. That is fantastic. Yeah,

667
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: it is a game, and I always win. All right,

668
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take another break. Okay, we're gonna tally

669
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: up your math uh wins and losses, and we're going

670
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: to talk about how this thing actually worked right after this.

671
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: So I think we came up chuck with the the

672
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: that I've won every math contest I've I've initiated everyone. Okay, alright,

673
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: so shall we talk about the Guttenberg Press. Yes, well,

674
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: you got your individual letters, okay, al right, so if

675
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna we we said he ended up making three

676
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: hundred of these things, so you're gonna need all these

677
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: little individual letters carved. Uh, they're carved into steel using

678
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: these little files, and these are the master letters, and

679
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: then they punch those into soft metal um, most likely copper,

680
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: and then the impression in the copper is formed into

681
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: a mold and then you're gonna pour molten metal. And

682
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: what I saw was that one thing that Gutenberg definitely

683
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: invented with this hand casting instrument where they actually uh,

684
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: where you would actually pour this this molten metal. I

685
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: think he used lead tin and uh antimony whatever that is.

686
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: That was an alloy that he invented, even like add

687
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: that to his list. Yeah, so he invented some stuff.

688
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: But this is how you would actually make the individual

689
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: letters was by this early process. Right. So the one

690
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: thing that's still up for debate, supposedly is whether he

691
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: invented or used that punch matrix thing where you punched

692
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: the letter into a softer metal. It's they're not entirely certain,

693
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: but yes, he definitely was casting letters with alloy of

694
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: his own making um, and apparently it cooled like the

695
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: moment like you just poured it in closed the mold

696
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: and opened it and it would be cool enough to

697
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: dump out on the table and start filing down. Because

698
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: that was the other thing too, You had to file

699
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: down every letter to make sure that they were uniform.

700
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: And he even went, this is an example of how

701
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: how um, how detailed he got. He even was like, oh, well,

702
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: this this f has a lot of space between, you know,

703
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: on either side of it. So he filed down the

704
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: sides of all the fs after testing it a few times,

705
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: to make basically curning. He was. He was. He figured

706
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: out curning right out of the gate um, the first

707
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: time anyone had ever really created the printing press. There

708
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: was also curning, just the spacing between letters. Like, if

709
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: you've ever seen a bunch of letters strung far apart,

710
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: it looks really weird. Curning is out of that. That's hot.

711
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: That's a high curning value. Low curning values where they're

712
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: tighter together, which is what you want. Yeah. So the

713
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: long and short of his this of these little blocks, though,

714
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: is that you only needed to carve each one one time. Um,

715
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: you had to pour a bunch of molds if you

716
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: wanted a bunch of ease or as or other vowels

717
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, but yeah, that was nothing. You only had

718
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: to do that carving once. File these things down until

719
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: they're all uniform, and then it moves on to someone

720
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: known as the compositor. Yes, the compositor or not to

721
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: be confused with the eradicate tour from kids in the

722
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: hall um. The compository was the person who sat there

723
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: with like the manuscript right and read each line. And

724
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: as they were reading each line, they were gathering the

725
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: letters they needed and putting putting the letters together in

726
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: like a like a handheld little rack um to basically

727
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: make each line. And they would slide each line into

728
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: a frame um called the form um. And you we

729
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: do that just line by line until the whole form

730
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the whole frame is filled up with the lines that

731
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: you're going to print a page with. Yeah, basically what

732
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: they did in Korea two years earlier, except with far

733
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: fewer characters. Yeah. And you get the idea that if

734
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: you were a composit or working for uh, for Guttenberg,

735
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: the perfectionist, it was probably a pretty nervy job because

736
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: you're reading that manuscript. Any misspelling, any any misuse of punctuation, uh,

737
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: that would have I'm sure there would have been heck

738
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: to pay from Herr Guttenberg. So I imagine that job

739
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: was just sort of um high, high tension. And Gutenberg

740
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: very famously was super passive aggressive in his managerial stuff.

741
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: He would just kind of wander on the shop with

742
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: his coffee and say, you're gonna I'm gonna need you

743
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: to work Sunday as well. Yeah. Yeah, And it was

744
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: it was like you try to avoid him or whatevery,

745
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: but you had the sixth sense to like pop up

746
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: exactly right as you were trying to leave for the day, right,

747
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: and he would and he would ask about your stapler,

748
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: and he would say my red stapler. Yeah, that was

749
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: that was one of the press the press men. It's

750
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: just kind of kept in the basement. It was a

751
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: weird time for printing. It was another weird time is

752
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: going to be right now when I ask you if

753
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: you understand this gobbledygook about folios, Yeah, so what right?

754
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: So it's way easier to print. Yes, a logistical nightmare

755
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: is another way to put it. But if you take, um,

756
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, one large page that's actually two pages of

757
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: a book wide, and fold it, you have a folio.

758
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: And supposedly Guttenberg printed these things in folios of five,

759
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: so that each each little I guess the thing that

760
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: they did was, um was like twenty pages. They would

761
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: do twenty pages at a time for remember something like

762
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: eighties six pages. They were doing this total per bible

763
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: UM and and I mean that was that The key

764
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: was this I know. To answer your question, No, I

765
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't fully understand the folios. I think there was a

766
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: lot made of folios when there didn't necessarily need to

767
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: be a lot made of folios. The point was that

768
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: when you printed this stuff, this is very very tricky,

769
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: you had to dampen the paper because if you didn't,

770
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: did you like that was leaping ahead? Yeah? When when

771
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: you print UM on paper using the kind of ink

772
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: that he's he created another thing you created, which we'll

773
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: talk about um. The paper can stick very easily unless

774
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: you dampen the paper. The problem is that you gotta

775
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: print on the back side too, But you can't dampen

776
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: the paper again, my friend, or else you're gonna smear

777
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: the ink on the other side, or it's gonna run

778
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. So they would print, They would dampen the paper,

779
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: print one side, and then have to print the other side,

780
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: like after the ink on the one side was dried,

781
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: before the paper had dried fully, right, Which is that's

782
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: gotta be tricky. You talk about nerv nous and high stress,

783
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean especially when you're on like a if it's

784
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty bibles in a ten million dollar project,

785
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean each page is rather expensive and valuable, so

786
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to screw up any of them, you know.

787
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: So if you want to look at a press again,

788
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I would go to YouTube and see the video but

789
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: actually being done. But the press has two sections. You've

790
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: got this frame uh that allows the plates in the

791
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: paper to align themselves, um, the carriage and then the

792
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: actual press part of the press. And you set these

793
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: plates onto the carriage and they're facing up and then

794
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: you apply inc using these uh and when you see

795
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: it on the video that it kind of looks like

796
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like these big giant gourds there.

797
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: They have a handle and then this big round sort

798
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: of drumhead looking um body and you and you stamp,

799
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, you roll this thing all around in the

800
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: ink and then roll them around on each other to

801
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: make sure that all all the INCA is really really

802
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: even and it's actually goose skin, uh, these pads are.

803
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: And then you, uh, you just go around and stamp

804
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: these four plates. And you know, from the looks the

805
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: way this guy did it, it took about maybe a

806
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: minute and a half to fully ink them for a

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: good page. And these things look kind of heavy. You know,

808
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of. He doesn't roll them because if

809
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: you roll them you end up smearing, So he's just

810
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: sort of pounding them on there. And it's a lot

811
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: of work. And and all of this looks like a

812
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: lot of work, even the pressing part is it takes like,

813
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of manual strength. Well yeah, I

814
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: mean again two years to just print bibles. Yeah, so

815
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's a physical workout. Um, he uses this

816
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: inc you mentioned it's an oil based varnish previ lee.

817
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: For many, many hundreds of years they use water based

818
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: which is just no good. Water based ink is is

819
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: not what you want to do when you're printing a book. No,

820
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: And that was actually another reason why it didn't catch on.

821
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: Printing didn't catch on in in China and Korea two

822
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: as they were using water based inks exclusively and it runs,

823
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: its smears, it doesn't stay in place. It's just a

824
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: bad jam. And that was another innovation of Guttenberg's um,

825
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: which was to to use oil based ink. There was somebody,

826
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember, we've talked about it in a podcast before,

827
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: but they were they were talking about how some inventor

828
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: just knocked something out of the park. His first time out,

829
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: and they said that it was akin to invent like

830
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: it had the right brothers invented their airplane complete with

831
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: UM airline miles and food trades that that came down

832
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: off the back of the sea in front. It was

833
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: just like this complete thing. And that's that's kind of

834
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: what Gutenberg did with the printing press. He he solved

835
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: all the problems all at once in his his initial invention,

836
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: like he figured it all out, and as we'll see,

837
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: it stayed the same for hundreds of years as a result. Yeah,

838
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: So to hold the paper in place, because you know

839
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: this frame is upright, and then you end up folding

840
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: it down. It's held in by these pins. He's a

841
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: little looked like little nail heads sticking or not nail heads,

842
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: but nail pointy parts the opposite of the head. And

843
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: that way, when you flip it over because you're gonna

844
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: have to print that other side, it's exactly in the

845
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: same spot that it was before. Another nice little, very

846
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: rudimentary way of making something perfect. Uh. And then you

847
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier he made certain parts read this rubrication UM.

848
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what they did for the Guttenberg Bible,

849
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: but in the King James version. If I'm not mistaken,

850
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: Jesus's words are all in red. If i'm I think

851
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Speaker 1: I remember that being the case, But I think he

852
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: just used it here for certain parts and maybe flourishes

853
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: of art, and there was some hand drawn art and

854
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: stuff like that as well. Well, yeah, they you went

855
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: to hand drawn because they they he had so much

856
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: trouble with the the red um, like going back and

857
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Speaker 1: printing after the black was printed, printing on the same

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Speaker 1: page with just the red text. It's pretty advanced, right,

859
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: But they said, yeah, we'll just go do the hand

860
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: lettering like like traditional least, and nobody will be mad

861
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: at us for it, right, Like what do you call

862
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: it when the first letter is big drop cap? Yeah,

863
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: drop cap. They did those in red for sure. Uh.

864
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: And then you've got your screw Uh the screw press

865
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Speaker 1: he used. He kind of ganked from wine and great presses.

866
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: And you know, once you have this think inked up,

867
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: you move it over to the press and it's just

868
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: a big, big armed lever. It's not like something that

869
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: moves in a circle. You just kind of pull it

870
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: really tough, uh, kind of one or maybe two times

871
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: and then boom, you've got your printed page, you do,

872
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: and and Ed points out something that I think is overlooked.

873
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: But you know, and one of the other problems with

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00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Chinese and Korean printing or any kind of printing using

875
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: like blocks or something like that is you're gonna get

876
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: uneven pressure, so you're gonna get an uneven transfer of

877
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: One of the genius things about the press about it

878
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: using basically a wine press for printing, is that it

879
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: applies even slow pressure at you know, increasing pressure and

880
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: then decreasing pressure as you unscrew the screw, so the

881
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: at the same rate, like over the whole plate, right,

882
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: So there was a nice even amount of pressure that

883
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: was increasingly introduced and decreasingly reduced. Um that that really

884
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of made this this beautiful outcome for the on

885
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: the printed page. Yeah, you get when this guy in

886
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: this video holds up the little printed page at the

887
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: end there, you know, there's a little moment of you

888
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: and going on in that room, right and like a

889
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: little trickle of blood comes out of his ears. He's

890
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: just gazing into the king Man. I was worried about

891
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: that guy from I gotta go see that. You should

892
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: check him out. So um, that's I mean, that's the

893
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: printing press we we we should say, after Guttenberg into

894
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: those bibles, Foost got his hands on those presses almost

895
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: immediately and in very short order, I think, like less

896
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: than two years released Assaulter, which is also considered a masterpiece,

897
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: but Foost put his name on it. Even though Gutenberg

898
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: had basically created the whole thing. He also made a

899
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: business for himself creating these bibles using Gutenberg's old plates

900
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: because he got his hands on all those through the court.

901
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: But again, Guttenberg was certainly not lost to history. Everybody

902
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: knew what he did and very quickly, you know, revered

903
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: him as a hero extraordinary. But we were talking about

904
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: what the Gutenberg press did for the world, and it's

905
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: really tough to overstate the impact that it had on things. Yeah,

906
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean just think about, like you said, the first

907
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: information Age, getting out information on on government and politics

908
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: and democracy, and I mean just little things like how

909
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: tos and you know, how to how to that there

910
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: might have been a how to on how to make

911
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: those nails that we talked about in the Blacksmithing episode,

912
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: although I think a lot of that has passed down,

913
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, you can get this out

914
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: on mass and and that's the whole thing. It's like,

915
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, hundreds and thousands and hundreds of

916
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: thousands of people could read information right, and they could

917
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: learn to read too, because books were now way more

918
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: affordable than they have been before. And actually, ironically enough,

919
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: I ran across the history dot com article called seven

920
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: ways the Printing Press changed the World by our own

921
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: Dave Rubs. He went to um he he points out this,

922
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: and I thought this was really important. With the printing press,

923
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: that made it way easier to make way more copies

924
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: of something than ever before, which also made it harder

925
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: to stamp out new ideas. Whereas before, if you had

926
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: some heretic who had this new idea about, you know,

927
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: the earth revolving around the sun rather than the other

928
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: way around, all you do is kill that person, burn

929
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: about the steak, and then burn their copies of their

930
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: notes along with them. In idea gone right now, that

931
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: person could make a bunch of copies and disseminate them,

932
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: and so this idea would be out there. You could

933
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: kill that person, but their idea was going to survive

934
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: because there were too many copies for you to get

935
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: your hands on and stamp out. And that led to

936
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: things like the Enlightenment, like the revolution in America and

937
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: in France, and the birth of democracy in the West,

938
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: like like all of this stuff came from that, the

939
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: ability to disseminate things like never before in the legal system.

940
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: It allowed judges to throw the book at people. Yeah

941
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: before one book. Yeah, they wouldn't throw that one thing.

942
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: They might not get it back, that's right. So wow,

943
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I think on that one. We

944
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: should end u this episode on the Guttenberg Printing Press.

945
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: Don't you Well? Since I said don't you, everybody's time

946
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: for listener, ma'am alright, I'm gonna call this sweep Steaks Winner.

947
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948
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,880
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949
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: my wins as a sweeper and I saw a sweepstakes

950
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,640
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951
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: away two trucks and a bunch of gift cards. All

952
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,399
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953
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,439
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954
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: I need an oil chain so I might as well

955
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: get that battery checked and enter. Less than three months later,

956
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: I was contacted by a third party company who facilitates

957
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: the sweep Steaks. Almost didn't answer. They told me I

958
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: didn't win and he won a gift card. No, he

959
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: won a truck. He won one of those two trucks,

960
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: uh seventeen Chevy Silverado. He said, I loved having a truck,

961
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: but as you guys said, you gotta pay taxes on winnings,

962
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: which counts his income, so ended up selling it, buying

963
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: a nice use car and paying off debt. I've won

964
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and have learned how to spot

965
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: reel and fake giveaways, but they do exist, so keep entering.

966
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: And that is Devin John's and he included a picture

967
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,319
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968
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: Thanks Devin, congratulations and that is a fantastic story. That's

969
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: a perfect listener. Male response to the sweep Stakes episode.

970
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,319
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971
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: thing you did by getting a cheaper thing and then

972
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: paying off debt. Good for you. Yeah. Uh, Well, if

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974
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