WEBVTT - ​Mackenzie Astin Meets World 0:00:05.170 --> 0:00:06.000 Thank you. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.440 Oh, God. Here we go. 0:00:24.500 --> 0:00:26.300 It's Ryder's favorite way to start. 0:00:26.340 --> 0:00:27.880 T-shirt cannon! 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.550 T-shirt cannon! 0:00:30.830 --> 0:00:33.029 Oh, it's Ryder's favorite. He gets to get a thing 0:00:33.070 --> 0:00:34.849 of Bud Light and we are ready to go. 0:00:34.950 --> 0:00:35.589 Oh, my God. 0:00:35.630 --> 0:00:36.330 Hell yes. 0:00:37.409 --> 0:00:40.190 Ladies and gentlemen, we are happy to present to you 0:00:40.210 --> 0:00:46.130 Lee Norris. And Marla Sokolov. 0:00:46.150 --> 0:00:48.270 Oh, my God. It's a season one reunion. 0:00:48.550 --> 0:00:49.350 It sure is. 0:00:49.409 --> 0:00:52.470 Season one of Boy Meets World, episode five. 0:00:52.950 --> 0:00:56.410 I mean, some of you might say it's a class reunion. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:57.530 I don't know. 0:00:57.550 --> 0:00:59.440 You see what I did there? 0:00:59.460 --> 0:01:02.720 So for our dear listeners who don't already know, you 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.119 know Lee as Stuart Mankus or Mouth on One Tree Hill. 0:01:07.670 --> 0:01:11.690 Marla played Gia on Full House, Lucy Hatcher on The Practice, 0:01:11.970 --> 0:01:13.970 and Fish Girl. 0:01:14.150 --> 0:01:15.850 On Boy Meets World. Hell yes. 0:01:16.150 --> 0:01:18.770 We very kindly. No, she was the one who pulled 0:01:18.810 --> 0:01:19.310 the fish out. 0:01:19.709 --> 0:01:20.929 Oh, I'm like, I don't remember that. 0:01:21.110 --> 0:01:22.530 I don't remember that either. 0:01:22.610 --> 0:01:26.610 Remember you pulled the fish skeleton in that episode out 0:01:26.650 --> 0:01:27.170 of the jar? 0:01:27.330 --> 0:01:28.690 I'm going to re-watch. 0:01:28.709 --> 0:01:29.410 I'm going to re-watch. 0:01:29.430 --> 0:01:29.690 Exactly. 0:01:29.770 --> 0:01:32.030 Maybe you were the girl standing next to the girl 0:01:32.050 --> 0:01:32.930 who pulled out the fish? 0:01:32.950 --> 0:01:36.980 Did you have a character name? I have no idea. Yeah, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:37.860 I think it was Paige. 0:01:38.620 --> 0:01:39.970 Well, it's better than Fish Girl. 0:01:40.010 --> 0:01:40.990 Not as good as Fish Girl. 0:01:41.010 --> 0:01:45.030 Literally, please address me by my character. 0:01:45.069 --> 0:01:47.450 Fish Girl, it's like the worst Marvel character ever. It's 0:01:47.470 --> 0:01:48.980 like they're just calling her Fish Girl. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:50.580 They're not even trying anymore. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:51.340 What does that mean? 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.460 She's got gills? What's happening here? 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.810 So, yeah, we have a little Mr. Feeny class reunion 0:01:57.910 --> 0:02:01.770 as you two are the newest hosts in the Podmeets 0:02:01.810 --> 0:02:02.590 world universe. 0:02:02.670 --> 0:02:05.620 Welcome. Thank you. 0:02:05.630 --> 0:02:05.700 Yay. 0:02:05.970 --> 0:02:08.950 What a dream. We have hoodwinked you into this somehow. 0:02:09.190 --> 0:02:10.870 We're just going to run with it. I don't know. 0:02:10.889 --> 0:02:12.070 Well, I think one of the. 0:02:12.030 --> 0:02:14.920 Reasons we got hoodwinked into this is because Ryder and 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.340 I were doing In the City, and you very nicely 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.160 called and essentially said, you guys have no idea what 0:02:20.180 --> 0:02:22.160 you're doing or talking about with the Marvel world. 0:02:22.180 --> 0:02:25.320 No, we're not. I did not. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.780 In fact, I said, you don't need any help at all. 0:02:30.030 --> 0:02:30.380 But. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.350 I am kind of a weirdo who loves this stuff. 0:02:33.389 --> 0:02:35.790 So if you ever want to know more about, you know, 0:02:35.810 --> 0:02:36.790 the whole universe. 0:02:37.150 --> 0:02:37.910 And we did. 0:02:38.190 --> 0:02:40.010 I'm always looking for reasons to hang out with you guys. 0:02:40.150 --> 0:02:43.210 I'm so glad you did because none of us knew 0:02:43.550 --> 0:02:46.230 what an expert you were. So you sent in a 0:02:46.290 --> 0:02:49.940 field report to Pod Meets Twirled. And finding out you 0:02:49.980 --> 0:02:54.580 know everything about the Bravo universe. Then led us to Marla, 0:02:54.700 --> 0:02:58.799 who is also a Bravo super fan. And now we 0:02:58.860 --> 0:03:02.650 have an incredible new show. And you two are going 0:03:02.730 --> 0:03:04.669 to Bravo Fest in October. 0:03:04.690 --> 0:03:06.660 I still don't even understand what you're saying. That is 0:03:06.820 --> 0:03:07.720 so exciting. 0:03:08.020 --> 0:03:08.140 What? 0:03:10.210 --> 0:03:11.269 What is Bravo Fest? 0:03:11.530 --> 0:03:13.790 Ryder and Will don't understand it either, but for a 0:03:13.810 --> 0:03:14.609 different reason. 0:03:14.630 --> 0:03:19.070 It's called Ryder's Hell Fest. Ironically, the same weekend in 0:03:19.090 --> 0:03:19.730 the same place. 0:03:21.350 --> 0:03:24.170 Tell Ryder and Will about Bravo Fest. 0:03:24.430 --> 0:03:26.690 So there's Bravo Fest and Bravo Con. And the way 0:03:26.710 --> 0:03:29.190 that I understand it, Bravo Con is every other year. 0:03:29.340 --> 0:03:32.190 And Bravo Fest, it's like little sister who's kind of 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.530 holding us all over until we get back to Bravo Con. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.300 Bravo stars come. They do panels. 0:03:37.930 --> 0:03:41.670 They do interviews. They, you know, are among the people, 0:03:42.490 --> 0:03:44.590 which Lee and I will be with the people. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:45.530 We are so excited. 0:03:45.700 --> 0:03:48.820 Well, technically, Marla, I think we are credentialed press. I 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.980 think iHeart has, I think we are going in as 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.860 true reporters, like really tackling the tough issues of the day. 0:03:57.180 --> 0:03:58.660 Yeah, the hard-hitting news. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.350 And you know what? 0:04:00.370 --> 0:04:03.029 Someone has to do it. We're not afraid to ask 0:04:03.050 --> 0:04:05.860 the hard-hitting questions either. So they better get ready for us. 0:04:06.340 --> 0:04:06.540 No. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:07.200 Oh, that's great. 0:04:07.220 --> 0:04:09.400 Do you have to throw a drink in someone's face 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:10.940 just to get into the fest? 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:11.860 Absolutely. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:12.940 Yeah, you gotta flip a table. 0:04:12.980 --> 0:04:15.240 That's what I thought. That's what I thought. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:15.600 Okay. 0:04:16.060 --> 0:04:16.260 Yeah. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.180 Excellent. 0:04:17.620 --> 0:04:20.000 We're already devising like big fights that we can have 0:04:20.060 --> 0:04:22.480 in public to try to, you know, maybe end up 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:22.960 on one. 0:04:22.900 --> 0:04:23.580 Of the shows. 0:04:27.390 --> 0:04:30.130 I heard that you have already met a real housewife 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.599 of Salt Lake City. 0:04:31.620 --> 0:04:31.700 Yeah. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.180 And that is the first show you guys are covering, right? 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:35.320 It is. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.339 The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. How did you 0:04:37.380 --> 0:04:37.610 meet her? 0:04:37.620 --> 0:04:39.320 Would you like to tell Gloria's story? 0:04:39.339 --> 0:04:40.790 I knew you were going to do this to me, Marla. 0:04:40.810 --> 0:04:44.230 So I flew into L.A. because I don't live in L.A. 0:04:44.290 --> 0:04:45.710 I live on the East Coast. And so I flew 0:04:45.750 --> 0:04:49.430 into L.A. to– reconnect with Marla and, you know, do 0:04:49.470 --> 0:04:51.810 all the press and record a couple of episodes. So 0:04:51.850 --> 0:04:53.830 we were in the I Heart building in L.A. and 0:04:53.870 --> 0:04:56.180 they said, there's a housewife in the building. And I 0:04:56.210 --> 0:04:59.080 think immediately the hairs on both of our, you know, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.500 arms like stood up. And we said, and they said, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.800 and she's from Salt Lake. And so we've just binged 0:05:05.900 --> 0:05:08.920 Salt Lake, you know, in preparation for this show. So 0:05:08.940 --> 0:05:10.540 we're like, it's got to be Heather. Who is it? 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:16.659 And they said, it's Brittany, who... you know, lovely person 0:05:16.700 --> 0:05:18.000 in real life, but probably. 0:05:18.020 --> 0:05:18.719 How do you feel about her? 0:05:20.020 --> 0:05:21.350 I knew you were going to do this. Probably my 0:05:21.370 --> 0:05:23.870 least favorite housewife on the show. 0:05:23.890 --> 0:05:24.229 Okay. 0:05:24.270 --> 0:05:26.770 Personality wise, or is she the villain? 0:05:26.930 --> 0:05:29.250 I'm sure it was an unkind edit, Will. Let's say that. 0:05:29.410 --> 0:05:31.050 Let's say an unkind edit. 0:05:31.089 --> 0:05:33.840 So, you know, I was a little bit nervous about 0:05:33.860 --> 0:05:35.700 this because she was so nice. And then we went 0:05:35.740 --> 0:05:37.680 and sat down and recorded. And then of course I 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.029 got to tell Marla all about how she's, my least 0:05:41.050 --> 0:05:45.260 favorite of the housewives. I'm so sorry, Brittany. I know. 0:05:46.700 --> 0:05:49.160 Oh, already your podcast is super interesting. 0:05:49.380 --> 0:05:50.680 I mean, I love it. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.900 I mean, what have we gotten into? I have no idea. 0:05:53.790 --> 0:05:54.490 Yeah. 0:05:54.890 --> 0:05:56.729 I definitely did that thing where I drove home and 0:05:56.750 --> 0:05:58.310 I was like, people are going to hear that. 0:05:58.890 --> 0:06:01.840 What I just said, I might need to like reel. 0:06:01.650 --> 0:06:05.240 In a little bit. Like, no, no, no. 0:06:05.460 --> 0:06:06.440 I really need more. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.020 Bravo friends, clearly. So I'm really working on my Bravo 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.380 friend list. So I need to be very kind. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.400 No, it became pretty clear right away that Lee's the 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.320 one who was worried about people not liking him. 0:06:19.089 --> 0:06:21.790 And I was like, I'm sorry. Don't act like that 0:06:21.850 --> 0:06:22.029 on TV. 0:06:22.050 --> 0:06:23.730 It's the child actor in me, guys. 0:06:23.750 --> 0:06:25.350 That's me too. I'm the same way. 0:06:25.370 --> 0:06:27.229 Totally. You have to let it go. 0:06:27.370 --> 0:06:30.090 That's like my biggest advice to you guys, because that's 0:06:30.110 --> 0:06:32.270 what we, we had this debate when we first started 0:06:32.310 --> 0:06:34.330 our podcast is like, how honest do we want to 0:06:34.390 --> 0:06:36.870 be about our experiences on Boy Meets World? And like, 0:06:37.210 --> 0:06:39.570 it's turned out the more honest you are, the more 0:06:39.610 --> 0:06:41.450 you just are yourself, the more. 0:06:41.250 --> 0:06:41.890 The listeners understand. 0:06:42.380 --> 0:06:45.940 They appreciate it. And you actually, those are the listeners 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.460 you want. You know what I mean? 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.130 That's the relationship you want. 0:06:49.430 --> 0:06:51.289 Because if you think about, if you were listening to 0:06:51.330 --> 0:06:54.490 a podcast where people were just super fake and all kind, 0:06:54.690 --> 0:06:56.950 it would be really boring. So you have to be yourself. 0:06:57.150 --> 0:06:59.729 That being said, Brittany's a good friend of mine, so 0:06:59.830 --> 0:07:01.750 I can't listen to podcasts anymore. 0:07:01.790 --> 0:07:03.710 So what the hell? But either way. 0:07:03.890 --> 0:07:04.460 Thanks, guys. 0:07:04.540 --> 0:07:05.020 I'm out of here. 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:05.700 Goodbye. 0:07:05.740 --> 0:07:06.460 God, go to hell. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.000 Well, the show debuts this Saturday on the Pod Meets 0:07:13.020 --> 0:07:17.120 World feed. And who saw this coming? This is the 0:07:17.180 --> 0:07:20.750 gift that keeps on giving. We're so honored and lucky 0:07:20.790 --> 0:07:23.050 to have you both. So thank you for agreeing to 0:07:23.090 --> 0:07:23.430 do this. 0:07:23.530 --> 0:07:26.550 And maybe, who knows, maybe one day Mr. Turner and 0:07:26.610 --> 0:07:28.310 Eli can do a sports podcast or something. 0:07:28.390 --> 0:07:29.150 Oh my God, that'd be great. 0:07:30.700 --> 0:07:31.540 Wouldn't that be fun? 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.200 Who knows? 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.840 But Marla, Lee, we're so excited for Class Reunion, again, 0:07:35.940 --> 0:07:37.119 debuting this Saturday. 0:07:37.140 --> 0:07:39.480 Come hang out with us. Come see us. We're going 0:07:39.500 --> 0:07:41.260 to drag you into this world. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.180 Whether you want to be there or not. You better. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.050 When you get into the next season of In the City, 0:07:46.820 --> 0:07:47.620 please don't tell. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:47.880 Me about it. 0:07:51.150 --> 0:07:52.290 Thank you, guys. This is a dream. 0:07:52.310 --> 0:07:54.190 Thank you, guys. We're so excited. I'll see you soon. 0:07:54.510 --> 0:07:54.870 Yes. 0:07:55.390 --> 0:07:55.910 Thank you. 0:07:55.970 --> 0:07:56.630 We'll see you soon. 0:07:56.690 --> 0:07:57.490 Bye. Bye. Bye. 0:08:10.910 --> 0:08:13.440 I had a dream about Bill Daniels. 0:08:13.860 --> 0:08:14.560 You did? 0:08:14.820 --> 0:08:19.460 I had like a very vivid, really sweet dream where 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.540 it was us now. I was an adult and he 0:08:22.620 --> 0:08:26.680 was older. and we were at craft service and somebody 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.540 was saying, Ryder, you and Bill are gonna do a 0:08:29.580 --> 0:08:31.740 scene and you gotta, you know, and I had to 0:08:31.780 --> 0:08:34.420 be the one sort of in charge because Bill's older 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.320 and they were like, are you gonna be okay? And 0:08:36.340 --> 0:08:38.280 I was like, Bill, you and I get to work together. 0:08:38.380 --> 0:08:40.670 And he gave me the biggest smile, came over and 0:08:40.710 --> 0:08:43.890 hooked his arm with me. And we like walked away 0:08:43.929 --> 0:08:46.550 from craft service. And I was so excited in my 0:08:46.610 --> 0:08:49.770 dream to work with him and to be like the 0:08:49.890 --> 0:08:51.870 one in charge, you know, to be the authority. 0:08:52.210 --> 0:08:52.730 I was the. 0:08:52.750 --> 0:08:54.830 Authority with Bill and it was, and it was just 0:08:54.850 --> 0:08:56.929 this warm feeling. And that's all I remember that I 0:08:56.950 --> 0:08:58.390 think the dream ended at that point. Like I didn't, 0:08:58.510 --> 0:09:00.250 I don't do the scene or, but it was like, 0:09:00.309 --> 0:09:02.550 it was kind of like an, an, an inverse of 0:09:02.590 --> 0:09:04.910 the actor's anxiety dream. You know, it was like, I 0:09:04.929 --> 0:09:06.840 was ready to do the scene because it was me 0:09:06.860 --> 0:09:07.660 and Bill. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.819 It was so sweet. It was such like a- And. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.960 You were empowered as a grown man, as a peer. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:14.900 Look at that. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:15.360 Yeah. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.559 I had one where my fingers were hot dogs and 0:09:17.590 --> 0:09:18.450 I was really excited. 0:09:19.790 --> 0:09:21.190 Such similar dreams. 0:09:21.510 --> 0:09:21.929 Yeah. 0:09:22.070 --> 0:09:22.530 You know what? 0:09:22.870 --> 0:09:24.350 It's because you're both 11 brothers. 0:09:26.410 --> 0:09:26.870 It's what it is. 0:09:26.910 --> 0:09:27.170 You're right. 0:09:27.190 --> 0:09:30.309 It's the power of the 11. 0:09:30.309 --> 0:09:32.790 Indy gave the best quote yesterday. 0:09:33.870 --> 0:09:37.070 You know, you think your kid's smart. 0:09:39.330 --> 0:09:41.150 He pulls his hat off because we're doing a hike 0:09:41.190 --> 0:09:42.930 and he pulls his hat off and he's like, are 0:09:43.010 --> 0:09:43.620 we here? 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.600 Mom, smell my hat. It smells like a hot dog. 0:09:50.700 --> 0:09:52.840 Alex is like, why would I do that? Why would 0:09:52.860 --> 0:09:54.730 I want to smell your, no, no, dad. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.369 You'll smell it. 0:09:55.390 --> 0:09:57.390 Dad, smell my, it smells like hot dog. 0:09:57.970 --> 0:10:00.449 Yes. I was like, I literally. wrote it down. I 0:10:00.460 --> 0:10:02.740 was like, that's going in something. That's a scene. Because 0:10:02.750 --> 0:10:04.880 that's like when you're interviewed for a school or something, 0:10:04.900 --> 0:10:06.280 you're like, my child. 0:10:06.300 --> 0:10:08.600 Is a genius. 0:10:08.620 --> 0:10:10.420 Mom, smell my head. It smells like hot dog. 0:10:13.700 --> 0:10:15.439 Put it on my tombstone. 0:10:15.460 --> 0:10:16.520 Oh, God. 0:10:18.220 --> 0:10:19.500 Welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:20.260 I'm Danielle Fishel. 0:10:20.620 --> 0:10:21.280 I'm Ryder Strong. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:22.340 And I'm Will Friedle. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.360 There's TV royalty, and then there's the Astons. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.900 Our guest this week was born into one of those 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.340 Hollywood families that not only will be remembered forever, they. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.400 Will stay beloved. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.870 A very difficult task in this business. 0:10:48.420 --> 0:10:52.229 His father played Gomez Adams, and his mother, Patty Duke, 0:10:52.550 --> 0:10:55.369 was the youngest actress to win an Academy Award at 0:10:55.390 --> 0:10:58.230 the time for her portrayal of Helen Keller in The 0:10:58.270 --> 0:11:01.430 Miracle Worker, all before she starred on her own sitcom, 0:11:01.650 --> 0:11:05.650 The Patty Duke Show. And his brother is freaking Samwise. 0:11:06.530 --> 0:11:09.830 So there was quite a large shadow looming over his 0:11:09.890 --> 0:11:12.990 decision to enter the family business, but he emerged and 0:11:13.030 --> 0:11:16.200 has continued to create his own impressive legacy over the 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.000 past 40 years. He was best known as a teenage 0:11:19.059 --> 0:11:21.560 late addition to the hit Facts of Life, but has 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.100 since collected almost 200 credits with stops on shows like Lost, 0:11:26.380 --> 0:11:30.420 Mad Men, Scandal, Shameless House, and most recently, The Pit. 0:11:30.950 --> 0:11:33.730 He's more than just a child actor success story. He 0:11:33.809 --> 0:11:36.670 is proof that with the right support system around you, 0:11:36.990 --> 0:11:39.490 you can not only make it out, but you can thrive. 0:11:39.970 --> 0:11:42.679 Please welcome to Podmeets World, one of the good guys, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.080 Mackenzie Astin. 0:11:44.100 --> 0:11:47.640 Hello. Hello. 0:11:48.340 --> 0:11:48.959 How are you? 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.359 Oh, can you see us? Can you hear us? 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:52.840 Can you guys hear me? 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:54.420 We can hear you and see you. 0:11:54.500 --> 0:11:56.000 Shit, I can't hear you. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:57.260 Uh-oh. 0:11:57.660 --> 0:11:58.090 Can't hear you. 0:11:58.100 --> 0:12:01.420 He can't hear you, so it doesn't matter. There it is. 0:12:01.540 --> 0:12:05.820 I'm in, I'm in. It's a whole new world. Hello, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:06.720 human beings. Hello. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:07.460 How are you? 0:12:07.580 --> 0:12:10.780 You know those beautiful videos where kids get hearing aids 0:12:10.860 --> 0:12:14.280 for the first time and they hear their mother's voice 0:12:14.300 --> 0:12:15.420 and you just see the world? 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:16.080 They start crying. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.859 That's what happened just now for you. 0:12:17.900 --> 0:12:20.990 Those were good videos. Were we rolling? We were rolling. 0:12:21.020 --> 0:12:22.510 We're always rolling. 0:12:22.610 --> 0:12:23.230 That's great. 0:12:23.290 --> 0:12:25.290 Who's the oldest guy on screen? 0:12:25.309 --> 0:12:27.990 Listen, we'll cut it, but this is just fun for us. 0:12:28.050 --> 0:12:28.709 No, that's good. 0:12:28.730 --> 0:12:29.850 Keep going. 0:12:30.050 --> 0:12:31.770 I don't think you're that much older than me. I 0:12:31.809 --> 0:12:32.830 don't think you're that much older. 0:12:33.090 --> 0:12:34.170 No, I think we're three years. 0:12:34.270 --> 0:12:37.030 Oh, you've researched all of our ages. 0:12:37.130 --> 0:12:37.309 Yeah. 0:12:37.650 --> 0:12:40.950 Well, not all of them. Okay. But I did remember 0:12:40.990 --> 0:12:44.809 seeing 7-6 at one point. Is that correct? Yeah, that's me. 0:12:44.850 --> 0:12:48.010 How are you? Good, how are you? Nice to officially 0:12:48.050 --> 0:12:50.430 meet all of you people. I don't think, we've probably 0:12:50.470 --> 0:12:53.930 been in rooms together. I imagine. You two, but not you. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:55.319 Yeah, I imagine so. 0:12:55.460 --> 0:12:57.360 Where do I appear on your quadrant? 0:12:57.550 --> 0:12:58.939 You're in my lower right. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.800 Mine too. Me too. I'm lower right. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.060 Mr. 0:13:02.100 --> 0:13:04.740 Strong, sir, where am I for you? You're lower right, 0:13:05.179 --> 0:13:06.239 so yeah. Interesting. 0:13:06.730 --> 0:13:07.670 Am I right above you? 0:13:08.170 --> 0:13:08.580 I'm upper left. 0:13:08.620 --> 0:13:10.079 You're upper left. I'm upper right. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:10.320 Mr. 0:13:10.380 --> 0:13:11.600 Friedel is lower left. 0:13:11.900 --> 0:13:12.179 Mr. 0:13:12.500 --> 0:13:14.020 Strong is lower right. That's great. 0:13:14.220 --> 0:13:14.840 Oh, okay. 0:13:14.860 --> 0:13:15.920 We got it all figured out. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:17.059 Look at us. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.040 I mean, there's nothing that makes for better radio than 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.910 talking about Zoom positions. 0:13:23.950 --> 0:13:27.829 Yeah, okay. Great. So we've covered he can't hear. And 0:13:27.850 --> 0:13:29.309 where are you on the screen? I know. 0:13:32.150 --> 0:13:34.010 I think people are going to love that you're fascinated 0:13:34.050 --> 0:13:34.900 by the technology. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.219 I mean I think that is an– it has an 0:13:39.260 --> 0:13:42.520 interesting affect on the conversation. Absolutely. 0:13:42.730 --> 0:13:43.000 Sure. 0:13:43.090 --> 0:13:43.280 No. 0:13:43.590 --> 0:13:48.470 Your phone drops out. But that's not important right now. 0:13:49.050 --> 0:13:50.410 But what is important? 0:13:50.950 --> 0:13:55.199 Is that while researching and looking at your incredible body 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.060 of work, it is very inspiring. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.059 And you have been doing cool. 0:13:59.860 --> 0:14:01.540 Stuff for 40 years. 0:14:01.900 --> 0:14:02.420 Yeah. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.660 Does it feel that long to you? 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.610 I had a root canal yesterday. 0:14:08.630 --> 0:14:09.970 Okay. 0:14:09.990 --> 0:14:12.370 So everything feels, you know. Painful. 0:14:12.410 --> 0:14:13.110 Painful. 0:14:13.940 --> 0:14:14.439 It does. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.439 It does in some ways. And then also sometimes it 0:14:17.460 --> 0:14:20.560 feels like that was just yesterday. But there are definitely 0:14:20.580 --> 0:14:26.860 a few yesterdays before 1990 that are better in the past. 0:14:27.100 --> 0:14:28.880 Okay. 0:14:28.950 --> 0:14:30.780 As far as I'm concerned. Oh, yeah. 0:14:31.020 --> 0:14:32.229 Well, we have to start. 0:14:32.310 --> 0:14:34.810 I mean, we just kind of got to start in 0:14:34.870 --> 0:14:37.530 sort of a hacky place, but it's still worth asking. 0:14:37.870 --> 0:14:38.030 Sure. 0:14:38.050 --> 0:14:41.290 Having two legendary Hollywood parents. 0:14:41.790 --> 0:14:44.390 Did you ever think you would be doing something other 0:14:44.690 --> 0:14:45.210 than acting? 0:14:45.610 --> 0:14:49.850 No, not at all. Yes and no. For probably more 0:14:49.890 --> 0:14:53.900 years than was logical, I thought I might be a 0:14:53.940 --> 0:14:54.940 Major League Baseball player. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:56.000 Wow. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:56.400 Really? 0:14:56.420 --> 0:14:57.380 What position did you play? 0:14:57.900 --> 0:14:59.920 I was all over, but mostly on the infield. I'm 0:14:59.940 --> 0:15:02.040 not a very big guy. So I played short. I 0:15:02.060 --> 0:15:05.780 played second. So yeah, I had designs on that until 0:15:05.830 --> 0:15:10.440 I was old enough to know better. Okay. Like 30? 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:11.270 Yeah. 0:15:11.290 --> 0:15:12.670 Sometimes that's a tough. 0:15:12.370 --> 0:15:14.390 Professional sports is a tough dream to let go of. 0:15:14.430 --> 0:15:15.290 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:15:15.330 --> 0:15:15.610 It is. 0:15:15.670 --> 0:15:18.500 And I still haven't. But that's a good question because, no, 0:15:18.540 --> 0:15:23.140 there's nothing else that seemed logical or reasonable for– I 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.480 think for my brother or I. to do you know 0:15:25.500 --> 0:15:29.620 it just was uh the natural progression of of things. 0:15:29.580 --> 0:15:31.380 Yeah and when you when you were a kid would 0:15:31.420 --> 0:15:36.140 people say like were you performative or funny or actory 0:15:36.210 --> 0:15:38.430 in some ways and people be like we see it 0:15:38.490 --> 0:15:39.910 we know what's happening. 0:15:39.470 --> 0:15:41.910 Yeah i think that happens i think that's i think 0:15:41.950 --> 0:15:44.590 that is you know it's uh it could be environmental 0:15:44.650 --> 0:15:47.350 it could be uh you know uh uh I almost 0:15:47.390 --> 0:15:48.610 said congenital. Genetic. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.260 Or congenital works. 0:15:51.460 --> 0:15:55.540 Congenital works. Congenital acting habit. I think if your parents 0:15:55.660 --> 0:15:58.900 are performers, it makes sense that there would be, you know, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.860 the dinner table was loud and you had to come 0:16:03.900 --> 0:16:07.150 in strong if you wanted to be heard. So, yeah. 0:16:07.270 --> 0:16:11.230 So I think, yeah, that definitely took place. People were like, oh, 0:16:11.310 --> 0:16:13.950 you should do that. But we both started so young 0:16:13.990 --> 0:16:16.230 that there wasn't much time for the you should thing. 0:16:16.890 --> 0:16:19.210 Because you're already doing it. 0:16:19.650 --> 0:16:22.290 Well, I mean, I'm always curious because I've always said 0:16:22.310 --> 0:16:24.950 there's a very big difference between growing up in the 0:16:24.990 --> 0:16:27.010 business and being raised in the business. Like we're all 0:16:27.050 --> 0:16:30.790 child actors, but none of us grew up in entertainment families. 0:16:31.250 --> 0:16:34.580 So at what age did you realize that your family 0:16:34.660 --> 0:16:36.100 was different than other families? 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.970 Oh, man, I can't. I don't think there was a 0:16:38.990 --> 0:16:43.550 time that I didn't recognize it, in part because my 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.920 parents were so popular with the general public that any 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.240 time we went out, there was usually somebody that was like, oh, 0:16:50.260 --> 0:16:52.940 my God, I love your work on X, Y, or Z. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.740 So it was clear from the get-go that mom and 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:03.860 dad were different than the majority of folks. Right. You know, 0:17:03.890 --> 0:17:07.200 which which was has always been a real blessing as 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.040 far as I'm concerned, has always been wonderful because the 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.320 response that people had to my parents was always, always, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.530 always and still is one of reverence and appreciation and joy. 0:17:17.660 --> 0:17:20.510 You know, I've been in in taxi cabs in foreign 0:17:20.570 --> 0:17:22.950 countries or taxi cabs in this country with foreign people 0:17:22.990 --> 0:17:26.129 driving them or people from other countries driving them, you know, 0:17:26.150 --> 0:17:28.429 where the conversation will get to, you know, what are 0:17:28.450 --> 0:17:31.840 you doing or where are you going or, you know, and. Naturally, 0:17:31.940 --> 0:17:34.399 I always blame my parents for what I do for 0:17:34.420 --> 0:17:36.280 a living. And so, you know, I'll say, well, my 0:17:36.300 --> 0:17:38.300 dad played Gomez in the Adams family and people will 0:17:38.460 --> 0:17:42.650 light up. Absolutely light up. And then so, you know, 0:17:43.490 --> 0:17:47.210 so everywhere we went as youngsters, people received my folks 0:17:48.050 --> 0:17:51.310 really warmly. And, you know, it's very lucky, really. 0:17:51.670 --> 0:17:53.770 This is the last time I'm going to apologize for 0:17:53.850 --> 0:17:57.100 asking a potentially hacky question, but having a dad who 0:17:57.140 --> 0:18:01.399 played the Gomez Adams, was Halloween crazy at all? Or 0:18:01.420 --> 0:18:03.720 did he look at that as bringing his work home? 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:04.520 What was that like? 0:18:04.740 --> 0:18:07.179 So that's a great question. It's not hacky at all. 0:18:08.190 --> 0:18:10.530 So we had, and you could ask any one of 0:18:10.570 --> 0:18:12.669 my siblings, we had the house that we lived in 0:18:12.770 --> 0:18:16.670 in West Los Angeles, right by Westwood Village, was notorious 0:18:16.750 --> 0:18:20.610 for having the best Halloween setup. And I don't know 0:18:20.630 --> 0:18:23.070 if it was a byproduct or function of having been 0:18:23.090 --> 0:18:25.200 on the Adams family or just My mom and dad 0:18:25.260 --> 0:18:29.090 wanting to create an environment that was fun. And so 0:18:29.619 --> 0:18:31.750 we were right by the UCLA campus. And so tons 0:18:31.790 --> 0:18:35.410 of students, it was like Mecca on Halloween to go 0:18:35.430 --> 0:18:39.320 to this one house on this one street. You know, gravestones, 0:18:39.700 --> 0:18:44.810 flying ghosts coming down, the spooky music. Yes. What's that 0:18:44.850 --> 0:18:46.990 stuff called? It's very cold. You put it in water. 0:18:47.030 --> 0:18:47.609 The dry ice. 0:18:47.630 --> 0:18:48.910 The dry ice, yeah, sure. 0:18:48.930 --> 0:18:52.010 You know, just all sorts of stuff that was– Oh, man. 0:18:52.030 --> 0:18:53.830 Your family was doing effects back in the day. 0:18:53.850 --> 0:18:54.330 Yeah. No, no. 0:18:54.410 --> 0:18:56.919 It was great. It was great. We were putting on 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.380 a show. My dad, one year, my dad dressed himself 0:19:00.540 --> 0:19:05.320 up as a scarecrow and sat– sat at the front door, 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.340 you know, with like a straw or a newspaper or 0:19:07.369 --> 0:19:10.990 something sticking out of his sleeves and stuck still for, 0:19:11.130 --> 0:19:13.230 you know, a half an hour while people came up 0:19:13.270 --> 0:19:14.770 and down, up and down, up and down, and then 0:19:14.950 --> 0:19:17.990 finally moved and scared the heck out of people. It 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:22.660 was like, you know, he was committed to the performance. So, yeah. 0:19:22.700 --> 0:19:25.020 So Halloween, you can ask, you know who you can 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.140 ask is Ted Stryker. Do you guys know the name 0:19:27.180 --> 0:19:27.500 Ted Stryker? 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:27.590 Yes. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.649 So, that's a pseudonym, but Stryker and I were neighbors 0:19:32.690 --> 0:19:35.790 growing up. And so, if you come across him and 0:19:35.810 --> 0:19:38.730 you ask about- Radio guy. Yeah. You ask about Halloween, 0:19:38.750 --> 0:19:42.270 he will immediately say the Astons, man, the Astons. 0:19:42.310 --> 0:19:43.730 That is so cool. 0:19:43.950 --> 0:19:44.550 I love that. 0:19:44.590 --> 0:19:45.470 That's cool. 0:19:45.510 --> 0:19:48.590 I realized your dad also turned 96 this year. 0:19:48.650 --> 0:19:51.020 He was working into his- 90s. 0:19:51.230 --> 0:19:55.429 Yeah, he finally retired or was retired from teaching at 0:19:55.470 --> 0:20:00.490 Johns Hopkins University down the road here. uh, in 2023, 0:20:00.490 --> 0:20:03.449 I think. So he was 93 when he retired and 0:20:03.490 --> 0:20:07.190 he didn't want to retire, but you know, uh, the 0:20:07.260 --> 0:20:11.280 administration was ready to make a change. I think he's 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.700 still pissed off about it, but yeah, he, he, uh, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.700 he gave back, he gave back for a long, long time. 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.540 The term Nepo baby now gets thrown around a lot 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.400 in 2026. And I honestly, the fact that it's seen 0:20:25.460 --> 0:20:29.070 as anything other than a natural progression of what you 0:20:29.109 --> 0:20:32.210 have learned by your parents through watching them. So I 0:20:32.290 --> 0:20:36.159 really don't understand the negativity. What are your feelings on 0:20:36.220 --> 0:20:38.439 it since it has become such a point of conversation? 0:20:39.109 --> 0:20:42.730 So, you know, I have opinions to which I think 0:20:42.770 --> 0:20:49.010 I'm entitled and I understand everyone has. I think that 0:20:49.050 --> 0:20:52.869 it's a term that can be used accurately in certain circumstances, 0:20:53.270 --> 0:20:56.090 certainly as someone who would be, you know, if it's 0:20:56.150 --> 0:21:00.270 a pejorative, you know, from from where I sit, I'm like, well, 0:21:00.330 --> 0:21:03.109 hang on a second. I'm showing up and doing my job. Yeah. 0:21:03.270 --> 0:21:07.970 But there are I think there are circumstances where. it's applicable. 0:21:08.050 --> 0:21:09.869 You know, we, I mean, here we go. If we're 0:21:09.890 --> 0:21:11.270 going to go, if we're going to go along, we 0:21:11.330 --> 0:21:14.830 live in a culture that is highly divided, uh, along 0:21:14.869 --> 0:21:17.350 a lot of different lines, uh, you know, without getting 0:21:17.670 --> 0:21:20.780 too deep into the weeds. Uh, it's, it's, it's evident 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.600 that it behooves certain members of society to help sow 0:21:24.660 --> 0:21:28.340 division amongst, uh, people who have differences from other people. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.400 And so, uh, you know, the, the more, um, friction 0:21:33.420 --> 0:21:38.760 there is, uh, within the, um, I would say classes, 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.500 the better. So yeah, so it's certainly a term that 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:48.590 could be used accurately and correctly to describe certain scenarios. 0:21:49.380 --> 0:21:50.139 Does it apply to me? 0:21:50.420 --> 0:21:51.190 Sure, it does. 0:21:51.550 --> 0:21:54.270 But like, do you want to go to a cobbler 0:21:54.330 --> 0:21:56.590 whose parents and grandparents were cobblers? 0:21:56.910 --> 0:21:57.610 You know what I mean? 0:21:57.630 --> 0:21:57.989 Of course. 0:21:58.210 --> 0:21:59.630 Your feet are going to feel better. 0:22:01.850 --> 0:22:03.290 Absolutely. 0:22:03.470 --> 0:22:03.790 Who knows? 0:22:03.930 --> 0:22:04.729 Couldn't agree with you more. 0:22:05.670 --> 0:22:09.190 Your first job was at nine in the TV movie 0:22:09.330 --> 0:22:10.950 Lois Gibbs and the Love Canal. 0:22:11.270 --> 0:22:18.879 Not as gnarly as it sounds. Actually, gnarlier. Gnarlier, okay. 0:22:18.900 --> 0:22:22.340 It's based on, so Love Canal was a toxic waste 0:22:22.380 --> 0:22:26.909 site in New Jersey in the early, early 80s. And 0:22:26.950 --> 0:22:29.960 there was a woman named Lois Gibbs. Who went about, 0:22:30.540 --> 0:22:32.639 you know, suing the federal government. So this is like 0:22:32.660 --> 0:22:36.399 an Aaron Brockovich style. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So it's a 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.840 movie that week that starred Marsha Mason. And it and 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.919 it covered the actual terrible stuff that went on in 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.820 this housing development called Love Canal. And, you know, how 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.500 she went about getting some some changes made and some 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.550 recompense for the families who had been affected. by the 0:22:53.790 --> 0:22:57.270 toxic waste. Although it does sound like a movie you 0:22:57.310 --> 0:23:00.550 might have seen on Cinemax. Exactly. 0:23:00.570 --> 0:23:00.790 It does. 0:23:01.030 --> 0:23:02.609 It's a red shoe diary. 0:23:02.670 --> 0:23:03.950 Yeah, it's a red shoe diary. 0:23:03.970 --> 0:23:06.540 Nice. Yes, we are around the same age. 0:23:06.580 --> 0:23:07.520 Very good. 0:23:08.580 --> 0:23:11.580 So what are your memories from your first experience on 0:23:11.619 --> 0:23:12.600 your own set? 0:23:12.780 --> 0:23:14.680 So I didn't get the part that I auditioned for. 0:23:14.700 --> 0:23:15.290 Okay. 0:23:16.050 --> 0:23:20.310 Which is a recurring theme throughout the rest of the show. 0:23:21.190 --> 0:23:23.170 But I did get a part in it, and it 0:23:23.210 --> 0:23:26.330 was great. It was a phenomenal experience. It was nice 0:23:26.369 --> 0:23:28.520 to go to work. It was nice to join the club, 0:23:28.660 --> 0:23:31.700 as it were. Sean had started a couple of years prior. 0:23:32.180 --> 0:23:36.080 My mom had done a movie the week wildly called 0:23:36.700 --> 0:23:41.290 Please Don't Hit Me, Mom. And ABC asked if she 0:23:41.310 --> 0:23:44.350 would like Sean to play her son. And he was 0:23:44.390 --> 0:23:47.129 game and she was game. And so he went to 0:23:47.180 --> 0:23:49.480 work on a movie of the week called Please Don't 0:23:49.500 --> 0:23:49.770 Hit Me Mom. 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:51.340 Don't Hit Me Mom. 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.940 Which is like if you read the books, it's actually 0:23:53.980 --> 0:23:56.879 pretty gnarly. But anyway, I went to go visit him 0:23:56.940 --> 0:23:59.369 on the set one day and he had a fantastic 0:23:59.430 --> 0:24:01.750 set teacher. He had a really, really terrific set teacher 0:24:02.290 --> 0:24:05.350 who at the location had set up a scavenger hunt 0:24:05.390 --> 0:24:06.970 in the backyard. I think he was trying to teach 0:24:07.030 --> 0:24:09.340 Sean how to use a compass. Cool. So like there 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.080 were clues spread throughout the backyard. There were a certain 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.750 number of paces east, northeast or whatever, whatever, whatever. 0:24:14.990 --> 0:24:15.190 Wow. 0:24:15.350 --> 0:24:18.050 And I was like, man, that looks like fun. And 0:24:18.130 --> 0:24:20.090 also he was getting a lot of attention from a 0:24:20.130 --> 0:24:21.659 lot of different people. So I was like, man, that 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.899 looks like fun. And so I asked my folks if 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.320 I too could join the troupe and they reluctantly, perhaps 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.530 more reluctance from my dad than my mom. They reluctantly said, yeah, 0:24:33.550 --> 0:24:36.090 go for it. But you have to wait until you're 0:24:36.109 --> 0:24:37.910 a little bit older. And a couple of years later, 0:24:37.950 --> 0:24:40.450 I was able to audition and get that job with 0:24:40.830 --> 0:24:43.310 Marsha Mason. Wow. And it was great. It was a 0:24:43.330 --> 0:24:45.960 terrific time. I know I really upset the prop guy. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.139 That's one of my strongest memories. So the character that 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.920 I play passed away. It's based on a real kid 0:24:50.940 --> 0:24:54.060 who passed away from leukemia because of the toxic waste site. 0:24:54.380 --> 0:24:58.560 Oh my God. Like the understory is just awful. Yeah. 0:24:58.700 --> 0:25:04.110 Here we are in showbiz going, ba-ba-da-ba-ba. Wow. So the 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.810 prop guy was like, there's a scene where the lead 0:25:07.850 --> 0:25:11.290 character picks up a baseball glove that belonged to the 0:25:11.630 --> 0:25:15.670 now deceased young man. So the prop guy said, hey, 0:25:15.710 --> 0:25:18.100 sign this with your character's name. And I went to 0:25:18.140 --> 0:25:20.399 town on it. I had nice penmanship. I made it 0:25:20.500 --> 0:25:23.360 look very terrific and legible and nice and all that stuff. 0:25:23.420 --> 0:25:25.000 And the prop guy was like, oh, man, this is 0:25:25.020 --> 0:25:28.690 too good. This doesn't look like a kid's signature. 0:25:28.730 --> 0:25:29.790 Right, right, right. 0:25:29.810 --> 0:25:32.190 He was very upset with it. And I was, well, 0:25:32.210 --> 0:25:35.449 I'm still upset that he was upset. Yeah. I think 0:25:35.470 --> 0:25:36.750 we just found an origin story. 0:25:36.770 --> 0:25:39.210 Now, I have a question. 0:25:39.260 --> 0:25:41.880 When you were growing up, obviously, with your whole family 0:25:41.900 --> 0:25:44.520 being in the business, did you look at television and 0:25:44.580 --> 0:25:48.520 film more as, could you lose yourself in it and 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:49.030 enjoy it? 0:25:49.100 --> 0:25:50.760 Or were you looking at it more like, oh, this 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:51.640 is what my family does? 0:25:52.340 --> 0:25:55.440 Depends. Great question. Depends. You know, there are, and this 0:25:55.590 --> 0:25:58.510 still applies. There are certain films and television shows that 0:25:58.550 --> 0:26:03.270 are capable of casting the spells. Where disbelief is entirely 0:26:03.330 --> 0:26:07.820 suspended and you're all in. I would say the majority 0:26:07.859 --> 0:26:10.159 of stuff that I watch now, and certainly when I 0:26:10.180 --> 0:26:13.040 was younger, the majority of the time I was like, ooh, 0:26:13.810 --> 0:26:16.070 how many setups did they do that day? Right. Oh, 0:26:16.150 --> 0:26:21.070 that looks like it was looped. Ooh, is his eyeline correct? Yeah. 0:26:21.090 --> 0:26:24.030 Stuff like that, which- which I think is a function of, 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.050 you know, knowing how the sausage is made. 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.710 Yeah. Well, I mean, is there one style you gravitated 0:26:28.730 --> 0:26:30.770 towards when you said you wanted to be in the business? 0:26:30.790 --> 0:26:32.530 Did you want to be in movies or did you 0:26:32.570 --> 0:26:33.850 want to be like, I want to be on a 0:26:33.890 --> 0:26:35.010 sitcom and hear the audience? 0:26:36.850 --> 0:26:39.210 That's funny. No, I mean, I think we all wanted 0:26:39.230 --> 0:26:42.560 to be Harrison Ford. Like there's, there's no, there's no 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.580 doubt about that. I think, I think we all still 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.480 want to be Harrison Ford or, you know, Peter Sellers or, 0:26:49.100 --> 0:26:51.720 you know, somebody, I mean, so that's actually, it's kind 0:26:51.740 --> 0:26:55.940 of a, two very different genres. But yeah, when I 0:26:55.980 --> 0:26:57.820 was little, I think it was, it was, you know, 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.740 Indiana Jones and Han Solo, like that guy. That's the 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:01.899 guy to be. Yeah. 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.340 Well, then at just 12 years old, you are cast 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.379 as Andy Moffat on the sitcom, The Facts of Life. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:09.480 That's a true story. 0:27:09.619 --> 0:27:13.370 Surrounded by cool, beautiful older girls. 0:27:13.850 --> 0:27:15.709 And it was already a successful show. 0:27:16.050 --> 0:27:19.930 This is what every young actor living at the Oakwoods 0:27:20.330 --> 0:27:20.950 dreamt of. 0:27:21.030 --> 0:27:21.330 Just. 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.880 Do you remember the audition? 0:27:24.900 --> 0:27:26.210 I do. 0:27:26.369 --> 0:27:29.550 Yeah, actually, I do. And this will dovetail nicely with 0:27:29.570 --> 0:27:36.080 the Nepo baby question because the director, John Boab, was 0:27:36.140 --> 0:27:38.560 a guy that had worked with my mom previously. So 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.629 I was not unfamiliar with him. And I think my 0:27:41.670 --> 0:27:44.830 mom took me to the final callback, the network test. 0:27:45.650 --> 0:27:49.690 And so there was some comfort there. I remember I 0:27:49.710 --> 0:27:51.870 don't remember the audition itself. I don't remember, you know, 0:27:51.930 --> 0:27:55.070 going in and reading the scenes. But I do remember 0:27:56.290 --> 0:27:59.409 I do remember the elevator on the way out because 0:27:59.490 --> 0:28:01.530 Boab came out and my mom and I were still 0:28:01.570 --> 0:28:04.590 waiting for the elevator. And John Boab gave my mom 0:28:04.609 --> 0:28:07.820 a wink. As if to say, you know, like he's 0:28:07.859 --> 0:28:10.690 going to get the part. Yeah, which was really a 0:28:10.730 --> 0:28:14.560 delightful thing. And is absolutely fodder for the people who 0:28:14.619 --> 0:28:17.500 are angry about Necro babies. Of course. 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.600 Had you seen the show before you auditioned for it? 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.650 Oh, for sure. Yeah. Are you kidding me? Like, yeah, 0:28:22.750 --> 0:28:24.950 I was I was very excited to have the opportunity 0:28:24.970 --> 0:28:28.470 to go to go to work with those beautiful women. 0:28:28.910 --> 0:28:30.889 And yes, were you were you more Blair? Were you 0:28:30.930 --> 0:28:33.190 more Tootie? Were you more Joe? Who did you like 0:28:33.250 --> 0:28:35.260 on Facts? Who was your character? 0:28:35.430 --> 0:28:40.180 It's impossible to pick a favorite. It's hard to say. 0:28:40.220 --> 0:28:43.090 I think there are aspects and attributes of every single 0:28:43.110 --> 0:28:47.250 one of those women that were attractive to a young 0:28:47.270 --> 0:28:53.000 man and adolescent boy. What would you do if I 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.530 told you I had the hots for Mrs. Garrett? 0:28:55.410 --> 0:28:56.090 Oh, yeah. 0:28:56.150 --> 0:28:58.590 I'd go, girls, girls, girls. 0:28:58.990 --> 0:29:03.510 No, I did not. I did not. As long as 0:29:03.530 --> 0:29:07.350 we're feeding the anti-Nepo baby folks. My dad had also 0:29:07.410 --> 0:29:10.630 done the show earlier. I think it was earlier that season. 0:29:10.750 --> 0:29:14.410 He had come on and played a romantic interest of 0:29:14.470 --> 0:29:15.080 Charlotte Ray's. 0:29:15.710 --> 0:29:16.140 Wow. 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.830 I think they met at a– at like a hotel 0:29:20.870 --> 0:29:23.209 in the Catskills. He was playing the piano there and 0:29:23.230 --> 0:29:27.080 they had a brief romance or whatever. But in truth, well, 0:29:27.100 --> 0:29:30.440 my dad and Charlotte both appeared on Broadway together in 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.410 like 1958. Wow. It was my dad's first Broadway show. 0:29:34.450 --> 0:29:37.830 So they had known each other, you know, since almost 0:29:37.870 --> 0:29:41.209 before television. So it was, you know, again, there was 0:29:41.670 --> 0:29:46.130 a nice welcome into the show because, you know, people 0:29:46.170 --> 0:29:46.770 were familiar. 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.920 Was that your first time on a sitcom in front 0:29:49.940 --> 0:29:50.960 of an audience of that style? 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.550 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think all the jobs I had 0:29:54.590 --> 0:29:55.770 before that were single camera. 0:29:55.810 --> 0:29:57.790 Yeah. And did you, how did you, we always like 0:29:57.810 --> 0:29:59.270 to ask, like, how did you, how did you feel 0:29:59.310 --> 0:30:01.969 kind of moving into that new version of acting where 0:30:01.990 --> 0:30:05.430 it's the hybrid kind of situation between film and plays? 0:30:05.910 --> 0:30:07.650 So, I mean, I think I was lucky in that 0:30:07.690 --> 0:30:12.720 I was young enough to not understand how effing scary 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.500 it is to be on stage in front of a 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.340 few hundred people. And I think I was also young 0:30:19.380 --> 0:30:23.220 enough and wanted enough to do a good job, to 0:30:23.300 --> 0:30:27.239 not do a bad job, that I was prepared for 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:31.340 the experience. I know, yeah, so I don't have any, 0:30:32.100 --> 0:30:36.720 I have a couple recollections of um, of experiences where, uh, 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:38.500 where I, you know, I screwed up in front of 0:30:38.540 --> 0:30:41.160 the audience. Um, but early on, I don't have any, 0:30:41.260 --> 0:30:43.810 I don't have any sort of negative stuff that, that 0:30:43.870 --> 0:30:45.560 comes up. I think it was just a matter of, 0:30:45.730 --> 0:30:48.830 you know, performing the scene and, you know, it, it 0:30:48.850 --> 0:30:51.590 didn't matter. I don't think it, I mean, you know, 0:30:51.770 --> 0:30:53.790 certain stuff mattered in some ways it was a little 0:30:53.810 --> 0:30:56.230 bit more freedom doing a four camera show because, uh, 0:30:56.270 --> 0:30:57.850 you were covered, you know what I mean? You had, 0:30:57.910 --> 0:31:01.280 you had a, you could, you could move fluidly on stage. 0:31:01.790 --> 0:31:05.220 rather than having to stay within the confines of a 0:31:05.260 --> 0:31:06.320 certain lens. Right. 0:31:06.380 --> 0:31:08.100 Also, the irony is when you mess up in front 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.080 of the audience, they usually love it because that's what 0:31:10.100 --> 0:31:12.440 they're there for. They want to see the actors mess 0:31:12.500 --> 0:31:14.360 up because otherwise it's too, yeah. 0:31:14.380 --> 0:31:18.790 Precisely, precisely. Yeah, the one time, I mean, it's a 0:31:18.910 --> 0:31:21.170 couple of different times, obviously, but there was one show, 0:31:21.250 --> 0:31:24.950 because we would do two, we'd tape two shows a night, 0:31:25.050 --> 0:31:28.090 as I'm sure you guys did as well. And there 0:31:28.110 --> 0:31:30.910 would be rewrites between shows. And there was one week 0:31:31.030 --> 0:31:33.410 where there was a particular line that I had that 0:31:33.630 --> 0:31:36.270 had been rewritten. They wanted to try a different joke. And, 0:31:36.390 --> 0:31:40.070 you know, at lunch or dinner, essentially, they go over 0:31:40.130 --> 0:31:43.240 the changes and you get the new line, the new pages, whatever. And, 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.450 you know, you commit that to memory. It wasn't that much. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.580 But for some reason, I was distracted and I sort 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.959 of forgot that they had changed that line until we 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.320 were in the scene, you know, on stage in front 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.060 of the audience, you know, cameras rolling. Uh, and I 0:31:57.100 --> 0:31:58.860 was in like, in my head, I was like, Oh, Oh, 0:31:59.300 --> 0:32:02.180 it's coming up. And it's something different. It's something different. 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:03.590 And what is it? What is it? What is when, 0:32:03.650 --> 0:32:06.530 you know, uh, luckily at the last minute, the, the 0:32:06.570 --> 0:32:09.010 new line, uh, you know, came to me. Uh, but 0:32:09.050 --> 0:32:12.740 there's that it's the live audience is a different animal 0:32:12.820 --> 0:32:16.590 and there's. And it's– I'm sure you guys would agree. 0:32:16.750 --> 0:32:21.110 It's arguably better in some ways energetically. Like there is 0:32:21.150 --> 0:32:25.750 an exchange of energy that is palpable and can be really, 0:32:25.790 --> 0:32:31.630 really valuable. I think there's certain stuff that is better 0:32:32.270 --> 0:32:35.130 not in front of a live audience, certain intimate stuff. 0:32:35.190 --> 0:32:37.510 And I don't mean physically intimate but like emotionally intimate. 0:32:38.210 --> 0:32:41.230 vulnerable stuff is, I think, can be better with fewer 0:32:41.250 --> 0:32:41.790 people around. 0:32:42.270 --> 0:32:44.630 Yeah, well, Please Don't Hit Me, Mom is a terrible sitcom. 0:32:45.090 --> 0:32:45.610 Oh, boy. 0:32:45.750 --> 0:32:48.190 Yeah, terrible four-camera sitcom. 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:50.120 Oh, my God. Funny now. 0:32:52.020 --> 0:32:56.600 Oh, man, oh, man. Somewhere, I'm sure, in interviews at 0:32:56.660 --> 0:32:59.660 some places, or maybe if– I mean, I imagine you 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.570 guys have come across Sean in your travels. When he 0:33:02.650 --> 0:33:06.920 tells the story of working– He tells such an incredible 0:33:06.940 --> 0:33:11.080 story about working on that set, about an experience with 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.180 our mom that was interesting. 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.630 I can't wait. We have to ask him about that. 0:33:18.650 --> 0:33:21.790 Yeah, it's good stuff. It's his story. So you'll let 0:33:21.850 --> 0:33:23.570 him tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:33:35.870 --> 0:33:38.170 How did you deal with being a teen idol in 0:33:38.230 --> 0:33:39.150 all the magazines? 0:33:39.910 --> 0:33:40.710 I had a ball. 0:33:40.910 --> 0:33:43.610 It was great. 0:33:43.750 --> 0:33:47.230 It was terrific. I was happy to open them up 0:33:47.270 --> 0:33:49.310 and say, oh, look, there's a picture of me there. Oh, look, 0:33:49.350 --> 0:33:53.360 there's a picture of me there. It was phenomenal. I 0:33:53.420 --> 0:33:57.240 had the good fortune to have an example set by 0:33:57.260 --> 0:34:01.460 my mom and her experience as a child actor, wherein 0:34:01.580 --> 0:34:04.100 she felt like she missed out on a lot of 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.620 her childhood. There were Seminal events that most kids have 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.370 that were not available to her because she was busy 0:34:10.410 --> 0:34:15.089 doing a television show that bore her name. So when 0:34:15.150 --> 0:34:18.069 the Facts of Life wrapped in, I think it was 0:34:18.110 --> 0:34:22.010 early 88, I made the decision to go back to 0:34:22.090 --> 0:34:24.720 high school as a normal kid, like to go full 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.820 time back to high school and try to have a 0:34:28.100 --> 0:34:31.370 normal existence. And it was great because all of the 0:34:31.489 --> 0:34:36.390 big head, ego-driven, I'm so fancy, check out my Adidas 0:34:36.410 --> 0:34:41.700 sweater in this week's issue of 16 Magazine, got shot 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:47.520 down right away. High school will level the plane for you. 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.260 I found out in no uncertain terms that my caca 0:34:51.739 --> 0:34:56.759 has an aroma. And it was great. It was great 0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.820 because it, you know, crammed my head back into my skull. 0:35:01.219 --> 0:35:01.709 Yeah. 0:35:02.390 --> 0:35:04.049 In a good way, in a healthy way. Yeah. 0:35:04.710 --> 0:35:08.400 Were there any roles that you almost got that still 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:08.819 haunt you? 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:13.170 I mean, how long is the show? Yeah, right. 0:35:13.370 --> 0:35:14.049 Exactly. 0:35:14.110 --> 0:35:19.030 Let's go year by year. So, 89. God, there's so many. Like, yeah, 0:35:19.170 --> 0:35:21.430 it would have been nice to be in Stand By. 0:35:21.290 --> 0:35:21.870 Me, sure. 0:35:22.010 --> 0:35:22.690 Yes. 0:35:22.710 --> 0:35:25.790 Right. But what I have come to over the years 0:35:25.870 --> 0:35:28.669 is that they hired the right guy. Yeah. They hired 0:35:28.710 --> 0:35:32.370 the right guy. Somewhere out there exists my audition for 0:35:32.430 --> 0:35:35.910 the part that Leonardo DiCaprio played in What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Oh. 0:35:36.130 --> 0:35:38.630 And I can promise you, he did a better job. 0:35:40.969 --> 0:35:44.840 Somewhere is my audition for Primal Fear. And guess what, folks? 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.760 Edward Norton was the right guy to hire. So like, yeah, 0:35:49.900 --> 0:35:52.480 there's a ton of jobs that I didn't get that 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.640 I was lucky enough to audition for. But I can 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.330 promise the world they hired the right guy. 0:35:59.710 --> 0:36:00.290 Now, I'm sorry. 0:36:00.310 --> 0:36:01.170 I'm just curious. 0:36:01.230 --> 0:36:03.920 With your brother, both of you working all the time– 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.260 Weird sibling rivalry. Were you ever up for the same stuff? 0:36:08.820 --> 0:36:12.340 So that hasn't actually been too much of a bugaboo. 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.620 When we were smaller, thankfully, when we were smaller, I mean, 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.299 I think a couple of times it's come up. But 0:36:18.620 --> 0:36:22.759 when we were smaller children, we were into separate paradigms. 0:36:22.820 --> 0:36:25.089 You know, film and television had a much larger paradigm. 0:36:25.900 --> 0:36:28.880 chasm between them, uh, in the, in the eighties. And 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:30.700 so he was a film actor and I was a 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:35.020 television actor and, and never the twain, uh, shall meet. Um, after, uh, 0:36:35.540 --> 0:36:37.420 I finished high school and threw my hat back in 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.060 the acting ring, uh, and, and got, uh, uh, got 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.300 a couple of movies. Then we moved closer to maybe 0:36:44.340 --> 0:36:48.090 possibly be competing for the same role, but like, are 0:36:48.110 --> 0:36:49.469 they going to hire Abbott or are they going to 0:36:49.489 --> 0:36:53.489 hire Costello? It's like, there's, there's, there's, I think there's 0:36:53.550 --> 0:36:56.489 enough of a physical difference between us that, that it, 0:36:56.570 --> 0:36:59.420 you know, it's, it's one way or another. And now 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.500 it's like, not even a contest. Like the guy is 0:37:01.540 --> 0:37:05.080 like an international superstar. So like, we're not, we're not 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.540 going up for the same roles anymore. 0:37:08.700 --> 0:37:11.460 One role of yours we definitely want to talk about 0:37:11.500 --> 0:37:14.180 from this time is a movie that has developed a 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:18.890 massive cult following over the years called 1987's garbage pale 0:37:18.930 --> 0:37:19.760 kids movie. 0:37:19.940 --> 0:37:21.759 I hope those people are seeking help. 0:37:22.340 --> 0:37:25.040 It's an acid trip of sorts. 0:37:25.420 --> 0:37:28.920 Were you collecting the cards when you heard about the movie? 0:37:28.940 --> 0:37:30.919 Because this must have been a big deal to book. 0:37:31.300 --> 0:37:36.740 So, I mean, it was in my head. It certainly 0:37:36.860 --> 0:37:39.759 felt like it was going to be better than it 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:44.419 turned out to be. You know, the cards, like the big, 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.820 my whole take on this is a whole take and 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.450 you're going to need more tape. But like in the 0:37:49.489 --> 0:37:54.840 big picture, It's an amazing example of how the commercialization 0:37:54.880 --> 0:38:03.360 and commodification of anything that has cultural attention can be 0:38:03.380 --> 0:38:06.969 the worst possible thing for it. So as you remember, 0:38:06.989 --> 0:38:10.400 or as you probably remember, the cards were sort of based– 0:38:10.610 --> 0:38:13.029 were based on the popularity of the Cabbage Patch Kids, right? 0:38:13.090 --> 0:38:17.549 Cabbage Patch Kids went through the moon, over the moon, 0:38:17.610 --> 0:38:18.169 through the roof. 0:38:18.590 --> 0:38:19.890 Through the roof and over the moon. 0:38:20.130 --> 0:38:23.990 That's right. Were very popular, right? This was the first 0:38:24.010 --> 0:38:26.760 footage I remember seeing of people clamoring over one another 0:38:27.780 --> 0:38:29.759 to get the last one to give to their kids 0:38:29.780 --> 0:38:31.279 so they would be considered a good parent. 0:38:31.300 --> 0:38:34.120 I have three adopted children that I've legally adopted somewhere 0:38:34.140 --> 0:38:36.060 in the world that I haven't seen since I was eight. 0:38:36.739 --> 0:38:38.419 Cause you have to take the oath and do all 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:38.940 that kind of stuff. 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:39.820 You got three. 0:38:39.860 --> 0:38:40.040 Yeah. 0:38:40.100 --> 0:38:43.360 One of them was an astronaut. Say like a rich kid, man. 0:38:45.290 --> 0:38:46.110 I don't know where they are. 0:38:46.130 --> 0:38:51.010 So, so, so, so Art Spiegelman and John, Oh man, 0:38:51.070 --> 0:38:54.219 I'm embarrassed. I'm not remembering, uh, the other artists name, 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.320 these guys, um, took the opportunity to take the piss 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:01.300 out of the commercialization and commodification of these little dolls. 0:39:01.820 --> 0:39:06.670 And so on a whim, they submitted to, you know, 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.049 I think it was Topps, they submitted the boards for 0:39:10.090 --> 0:39:14.450 these cards, these kids that were a direct assault on 0:39:14.610 --> 0:39:18.170 the Cabbage Patch Kids. I mean, obviously the arrangement of 0:39:18.210 --> 0:39:21.170 the face is super similar and so on, but the 0:39:21.290 --> 0:39:26.110 opposite of what the, God, is it Xavier– god, I 0:39:26.150 --> 0:39:28.170 think that is the name of the designer. 0:39:28.190 --> 0:39:30.450 It was Xavier something because Xavier is on the butt. 0:39:30.570 --> 0:39:32.430 It's like stitched on the butt of the thing. 0:39:32.450 --> 0:39:35.660 So it was a direct assault on that kind of 0:39:35.780 --> 0:39:40.000 perfect little baby thing. And so it was counterculture. It 0:39:40.020 --> 0:39:43.700 was artists saying, look, what we're doing here with money 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:48.250 and commerce is a little bit insane. So here's, we're 0:39:48.270 --> 0:39:50.370 going to, you know, throw something disgusting at you guys 0:39:50.590 --> 0:39:52.649 in this framework. And of course the kids went nuts 0:39:52.690 --> 0:39:55.410 for it because like it's gross and wow, that says 0:39:55.469 --> 0:39:58.730 fart and look at this drawing and that's crazy. So 0:39:58.770 --> 0:40:04.680 then Topps, the trading card company decided to capitalize on 0:40:04.700 --> 0:40:09.560 the popularity of the cards by rushing to produce a 0:40:09.980 --> 0:40:14.830 major motion picture. Yes. Now what's unfortunate is that the 0:40:14.930 --> 0:40:19.560 level of artistry behind the cards is is reflected nowhere 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:20.660 in the film. 0:40:20.700 --> 0:40:22.180 Right, yeah. 0:40:22.300 --> 0:40:28.459 The screenplay is not fantastic. The execution is subpar. It 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.089 has made for, from my perspective, it has made for 0:40:32.230 --> 0:40:36.270 a terrific example of how the 80s and capitalism and 0:40:36.390 --> 0:40:42.129 commercialism and show business and marketing and the rampant politics 0:40:45.070 --> 0:40:48.570 hustle for more money, more money, can fail. 0:40:48.969 --> 0:40:49.310 Right. 0:40:49.350 --> 0:40:50.149 And destroy art. 0:40:50.910 --> 0:40:51.069 Yeah. 0:40:51.110 --> 0:40:53.470 Right. So, like, that's the thing. There's an incredible article 0:40:53.510 --> 0:40:56.219 that if people are adept at the Internet, they can 0:40:56.260 --> 0:40:59.219 find with an interview with the director of the Garbage 0:40:59.260 --> 0:41:01.700 Pail Kids. It's a guy named Rod Amato, who was 0:41:01.780 --> 0:41:03.520 tons of fun to work with and was a decent 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.589 guy and was good to everybody. So, like, I'm not 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:07.569 casting aspersions. 0:41:07.590 --> 0:41:08.050 Mm-hmm. 0:41:08.590 --> 0:41:10.450 But he says in this interview, he goes, I was 0:41:10.489 --> 0:41:12.900 a money job. I was trying to make my my 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.880 health care like I had to I had to make 0:41:14.900 --> 0:41:18.120 sure I got my coverage. So like, you know, like 0:41:18.260 --> 0:41:20.520 they didn't it's it's crazy how how much of the 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.160 stuff that went into the reasons why the Garbage Pail 0:41:23.180 --> 0:41:25.400 Kids is such a weird movie. 0:41:25.460 --> 0:41:26.100 Yeah. 0:41:26.420 --> 0:41:29.339 Are also applicable now without stepping on any toes or, 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.660 you know, opening any conversations that. 0:41:32.750 --> 0:41:35.810 My turn off listeners. 0:41:35.930 --> 0:41:37.410 But when I was making it, I was like, this 0:41:37.430 --> 0:41:39.759 is the greatest thing ever. Look at how terrific this 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:40.680 costume is. 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:41.120 I know. 0:41:41.380 --> 0:41:43.140 What do you remember about those costumes? 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:44.560 They're weird. 0:41:45.110 --> 0:41:45.839 Yeah, weird. 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:46.920 Just weird. 0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:49.640 So weird. They were really weird. I remember the little people, 0:41:49.660 --> 0:41:52.680 the actors that were, you know, trapped in them were 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.040 heroic every day. We were shooting in the San Fernando 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.900 Valley in the middle of summer in a converted warehouse 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.180 on Laurel Canyon and like Cohasset or something way north there. 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.460 There was an AC. They had those giant tubes, you know, 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:13.370 attached to an HVAC outside. And then, you know, the 0:42:13.730 --> 0:42:16.410 actors would take off these 40 pound helmets that are 0:42:16.430 --> 0:42:19.290 made of latex with servos all running through it, through 0:42:19.330 --> 0:42:20.969 which they couldn't really see. 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.500 And, you know, get hosed off with air so they 0:42:24.540 --> 0:42:28.460 didn't die while we were, you know, slapping together this 0:42:28.540 --> 0:42:31.660 motion picture to capitalize on something that was making fun 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:32.450 of capitalism. 0:42:33.710 --> 0:42:35.689 I do want to give a shout out to my friend, 0:42:35.750 --> 0:42:38.070 Nick Rosito's mom, who was messy Tessie. 0:42:38.110 --> 0:42:42.480 Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, that's so good. Yeah. 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.700 When you tell Nick that I love his mom, she 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.150 was so good. She was so good to me. She 0:42:47.190 --> 0:42:49.370 was like, She was probably the closest thing to a 0:42:49.390 --> 0:42:52.370 mom that there was on that set. She was so 0:42:52.469 --> 0:42:52.890 good to me. 0:42:53.250 --> 0:42:54.280 So wonderful. 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.540 Susan. Yeah, Susan, thank you. That's incredible. Yeah. I mean, 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:03.230 so really what I remember from the production is how hard– 0:43:03.469 --> 0:43:06.589 Every single one of those little people actor worked to 0:43:06.650 --> 0:43:10.200 make it happen. Kevin Thompson and Phil Fondacaro. Yes. 0:43:10.219 --> 0:43:11.000 Kevin was on our show. 0:43:11.020 --> 0:43:11.660 Kevin Thompson. 0:43:12.660 --> 0:43:14.020 Kevin was one of our standards. 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.370 How great is Kevin? How great is Kevin? 0:43:16.489 --> 0:43:17.049 Yeah. 0:43:17.090 --> 0:43:18.010 Just amazing. 0:43:18.030 --> 0:43:18.490 Yeah. 0:43:19.300 --> 0:43:22.430 So much of our podcast has been looking back at 0:43:22.530 --> 0:43:26.210 our own acting careers, which we all petered out on 0:43:26.310 --> 0:43:29.049 for different reasons. Now we focus on different parts of 0:43:29.090 --> 0:43:32.130 the industry, but looking back on it is wild. 0:43:32.910 --> 0:43:35.339 Do you feel like you, do you feel like you 0:43:35.380 --> 0:43:35.919 get it now? 0:43:36.020 --> 0:43:37.460 Like, have you found peace with it all? 0:43:37.540 --> 0:43:41.420 Because we could suggest doing a four years of a podcast. 0:43:41.540 --> 0:43:41.879 If not. 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.859 Well, I mean, I'm glad, I'm glad that we're getting 0:43:45.900 --> 0:43:49.650 here because, because, you know, earlier today or last week 0:43:49.730 --> 0:43:53.290 I was thinking, I wonder how much Dr. Special Friedel 0:43:53.330 --> 0:43:58.129 and Strong would like to discuss what it is that we, 0:43:58.270 --> 0:44:04.370 that we're all going through. So like, I have a 0:44:04.469 --> 0:44:09.350 really good life. Yeah. I'm extraordinarily fortunate. I, I, my 0:44:09.410 --> 0:44:13.310 rent is paid at least until maybe I think next June. 0:44:13.570 --> 0:44:13.890 Okay. 0:44:13.969 --> 0:44:16.610 Uh, you know, I, I, I have a car, I 0:44:16.650 --> 0:44:21.100 have food in the refrigerator. Uh, I, I'm, I'm, I'm good. I, 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.920 I'm very lucky. I'm very, very lucky. Yeah. Am I 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:28.460 at peace is a difficult question. And I, and I 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:33.100 think that that's something that, um, that befalls anyone who, 0:44:33.219 --> 0:44:36.350 who goes out to Hollywood and, And tries to give 0:44:36.390 --> 0:44:40.830 this a shot because you predicate. I think it's possible 0:44:40.890 --> 0:44:45.750 for you to predicate your own sense of value on 0:44:46.170 --> 0:44:51.140 someone else's sense of value. And it's really hard in 0:44:51.180 --> 0:44:59.080 my French opinion to remember your intrinsic human value when 0:44:59.100 --> 0:45:00.580 you don't get the job and then you don't get 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.600 the job and you don't get the job. get the 0:45:02.660 --> 0:45:04.100 job and you don't get the job and you see 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.299 somebody you know that you know that they get the 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.600 job no it's nice for them but you don't get 0:45:09.620 --> 0:45:12.180 the job and so so i i think it could 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.480 be really tough for folks um i think it'd be 0:45:16.500 --> 0:45:18.470 really tough for folks to to i mean you know 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.529 i look at jenny lewis i think jenny lewis is 0:45:21.590 --> 0:45:24.390 one of the prime examples of someone who knew she 0:45:24.469 --> 0:45:28.129 was she had a she had more to give and 0:45:28.510 --> 0:45:31.290 walked the heck away from an acting career that was, 0:45:31.469 --> 0:45:34.170 you know, not bad. She was, she was working and 0:45:34.270 --> 0:45:39.700 she had stuff going on and, and allowed herself to, to, to, 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:42.660 to become who she is, you know? And, and like 0:45:42.700 --> 0:45:44.759 how much more value has she put into the world 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:49.160 as a singer songwriter? Like, come on. It's, you know, so, 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.400 so I, I think she, she's a perfect example of 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.200 me as someone who broke the mold and found something 0:45:54.739 --> 0:45:58.279 that was, you know, More true to what calls her. 0:45:58.300 --> 0:46:01.400 I think there are those of us in this business 0:46:01.420 --> 0:46:05.900 that can can really get sandbagged by the feeling that 0:46:05.940 --> 0:46:09.469 you didn't succeed. Yeah. You know what I mean? And 0:46:09.510 --> 0:46:12.189 like what is success in this business? Right. Like that's 0:46:12.230 --> 0:46:15.890 such a difficult question to answer because, you know, I 0:46:15.930 --> 0:46:19.280 look at I look at Sean is obviously ridiculously successful. 0:46:19.340 --> 0:46:21.819 Sean is Sean has done it right. But there are 0:46:21.900 --> 0:46:24.960 aspects of Sean's life that I think are much more 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:30.040 difficult than than they are for me. Like I can 0:46:30.060 --> 0:46:33.080 go navigate through the world like a normal human being. And, and, 0:46:33.260 --> 0:46:36.120 and there's not, you know, it's, it's not like my parents' experience. 0:46:36.180 --> 0:46:38.930 It's not like Sean experience, you know, like I go 0:46:38.969 --> 0:46:40.950 to the bank, nobody gets, you know what I mean? 0:46:41.210 --> 0:46:43.790 Like I get cut in front of the line of 0:46:43.870 --> 0:46:46.410 Jersey Mike's and you know, that's how it happens. Like 0:46:46.450 --> 0:46:49.050 that's life. Right. So, so there's value in having an 0:46:49.310 --> 0:46:52.779 experience that is more closely related to the experiences of, 0:46:52.989 --> 0:46:54.120 of others. Yeah. 0:46:54.140 --> 0:46:54.339 Sure. 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.319 Yeah. I feel like I'm, I'm successful at that. 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:57.660 Yeah. 0:46:59.070 --> 0:47:00.930 Dude, you've got like 250 credits. 0:47:01.550 --> 0:47:02.640 You're successful. 250? 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.900 Wait a minute. Is that IMDb Pro? 0:47:06.980 --> 0:47:07.700 I should get that. 0:47:07.739 --> 0:47:08.550 We've got that one. 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.359 We've done a lot of shit. 0:47:10.420 --> 0:47:12.640 We can't afford IMDb Pro, so. 0:47:12.660 --> 0:47:14.240 We've done a lot of shit. 0:47:14.260 --> 0:47:15.140 It's a write-off. 0:47:15.219 --> 0:47:16.120 It's a write-off. 0:47:16.180 --> 0:47:17.080 It's a write-off. 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.100 You should just give it to us. Well, yeah, to answer, 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:24.440 you know, after another like internally long sentence, which is 0:47:24.739 --> 0:47:32.950 the Also congenital. At peace, I think at times. I'm 0:47:33.030 --> 0:47:35.469 at peace with the work that I did and where 0:47:35.510 --> 0:47:39.790 I am. But I'm also capable of being deeply, deeply 0:47:39.870 --> 0:47:43.210 embarrassed by some of the clothes in the 80s. 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.960 They were the best, weren't they? 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:48.020 Gotta embrace it. 0:48:01.469 --> 0:48:05.660 Well, adult Mackenzie has been involved in so many incredible 0:48:05.700 --> 0:48:09.239 TV shows. Listeners may recognize you from The Magicians or 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:13.560 Homeland or Netflix's You or Mad Men or Lost. 0:48:14.100 --> 0:48:15.920 The list goes on and on. 0:48:16.540 --> 0:48:19.820 But this past year, you have really hit a streak 0:48:19.900 --> 0:48:25.580 on TV's hottest shows, The Pit, Landman and Mayor of Kingstown. 0:48:26.810 --> 0:48:29.730 Yeah. Yeah. I've been very, very lucky. I've been very, 0:48:29.750 --> 0:48:31.830 very lucky. The pit was such a good get. That 0:48:31.850 --> 0:48:33.890 was such a good get. You know, what's funny, it's 0:48:33.910 --> 0:48:36.570 like when you read them all together like this, it's like, oh, 0:48:36.980 --> 0:48:40.520 I am kicking ass. There's like eight months between that 0:48:40.540 --> 0:48:42.700 and like six months between this and like a year 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.640 between that. And so like, oh, you know, what's the 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.460 word as a composite? It's like, oh, yeah, kick ass. 0:48:48.500 --> 0:48:51.760 But then there's those times between where you're like. Yeah. 0:48:52.500 --> 0:48:55.680 Someone going to like me. I mean, technically is, am 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.950 I going to be right for the job, which is 0:48:58.130 --> 0:48:59.930 really what it comes down to. You're either the right 0:48:59.950 --> 0:49:02.170 guy for the job or you're not the right guy 0:49:02.190 --> 0:49:02.569 for the job. 0:49:02.870 --> 0:49:03.310 Right. 0:49:03.650 --> 0:49:05.530 You refer back to the audition for. 0:49:06.950 --> 0:49:09.070 The project you auditioned for, but they didn't get that part. 0:49:09.489 --> 0:49:13.310 Any of them. Go on, name one. Yeah. The pit 0:49:13.350 --> 0:49:15.069 was great. The pit was a great get. I was 0:49:15.150 --> 0:49:17.430 really lucky to, jump in with those guys as they 0:49:17.450 --> 0:49:21.640 were just beginning what has become a pretty darn successful journey. 0:49:21.940 --> 0:49:22.359 Oh, yeah. 0:49:22.380 --> 0:49:25.320 I mean, and you were in a heartbreaking storyline. It 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.819 seems like the type of challenge you hope for as 0:49:28.860 --> 0:49:29.340 an actor. 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:29.680 Yeah. 0:49:30.260 --> 0:49:33.140 What is it like dealing with that type of rapid 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.049 fire intensity and gut wrenching drama? 0:49:36.110 --> 0:49:36.760 Is it challenging? 0:49:37.580 --> 0:49:39.880 Well, I mean, it can be. Yeah, sure. Like there 0:49:40.219 --> 0:49:44.000 are aspects of it that can be. That show in 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:48.230 particular did a fantastic job of creating an environment that 0:49:48.310 --> 0:49:54.310 was very, very supportive of the work that Rebecca Tilley 0:49:54.350 --> 0:50:00.239 and I were tasked with. And, you know, it just– 0:50:01.380 --> 0:50:03.420 It was easier than it might have been on a 0:50:03.460 --> 0:50:07.720 different production. But there was just so much respect from Noah, 0:50:07.739 --> 0:50:14.359 from Amanda Marsalis, who directed the more gravitational– no, that's 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:19.950 not right. The more gravity– the episodes with more gravity. Yeah. So, yeah. 0:50:20.210 --> 0:50:22.529 So it was definitely easier to do our jobs than 0:50:22.550 --> 0:50:26.049 it might have been if those scenes were on Love Boat. Right. 0:50:26.070 --> 0:50:26.150 Yeah. 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.959 But, you know, and also, like, you know, props to 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.880 the production designer and set deck because that set is 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.650 so realistic that after, you know, a few hours, it 0:50:38.670 --> 0:50:41.170 really feels like you're in a hospital. Right. Yeah. You 0:50:41.250 --> 0:50:45.210 go into stage, I think it's 21 at Warner Brothers and, like, 0:50:47.010 --> 0:50:49.980 it feels like you're in a hospital. It's weird. Oof. 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.870 You have worked with so many big names over the years. 0:50:54.130 --> 0:50:58.489 Who are some of the actors that come to mind 0:50:58.530 --> 0:51:02.150 immediately when you think of generous or helpful? 0:51:02.170 --> 0:51:05.300 And remember, you did work with Ryder Strong on Pepper Dennis. 0:51:05.969 --> 0:51:07.610 Did we have, I was trying to think. I don't 0:51:07.630 --> 0:51:09.950 think we had any scenes. I don't think we actually did, right? No. 0:51:09.989 --> 0:51:11.390 Good, then no need to name any. 0:51:11.530 --> 0:51:15.180 Because that would have been like 2006 and I didn't 0:51:15.219 --> 0:51:20.379 get sober until 2010. So there's some stretches of time 0:51:20.420 --> 0:51:23.340 there that stuff just sort of blends into other stuff. 0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:27.420 I don't really, you know what I mean? Like I 0:51:27.460 --> 0:51:27.799 was what? 0:51:27.820 --> 0:51:28.780 I did what? 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.589 I did what did I do? I mean, that's, again, 0:51:32.710 --> 0:51:36.819 it's hard to choose a favorite child. Like, you know, 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.719 Sandra Bullock is a really wonderful person to be around 0:51:39.739 --> 0:51:43.069 no matter what. Like she's phenomenal. And this is going 0:51:43.110 --> 0:51:45.970 back 30 years, but she was there. I can't imagine 0:51:46.030 --> 0:51:47.149 she's changed much. 0:51:47.730 --> 0:51:48.030 Right. 0:51:48.290 --> 0:51:51.290 And was also really gracious with the few scenes that 0:51:51.310 --> 0:51:55.470 we that we had together. Noah Wiley is another example 0:51:55.489 --> 0:51:58.950 of someone who's, you know, just gets it, just understands that. 0:51:59.510 --> 0:52:02.899 Especially in episodic television, because oftentimes it is the guest 0:52:02.940 --> 0:52:05.600 performers that have to come in and do some crazy. Yeah, 0:52:05.620 --> 0:52:06.240 the heavy lifting. 0:52:06.620 --> 0:52:06.819 Right. 0:52:07.180 --> 0:52:11.529 To which the regular actors, you know, the regular carry, 0:52:11.570 --> 0:52:18.800 the regulars respond. But yeah, gosh. How was Costner? Costner 0:52:18.820 --> 0:52:19.400 was great. 0:52:19.580 --> 0:52:19.850 Was he? 0:52:19.860 --> 0:52:22.540 Okay, cool. Costner was great. That was such a good get. 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:24.520 That was a really terrific get. It's a cool scene. 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.930 It's a cool scene. So that was the very last 0:52:26.969 --> 0:52:29.109 stuff that they shot on that production. They'd spent six 0:52:29.170 --> 0:52:33.270 months in Tucson, in the desert, you know, essentially, like 0:52:33.310 --> 0:52:36.010 with sand and dirt and muck. Well, not muck because 0:52:36.030 --> 0:52:39.210 it's too dry, but sand and dirt and grit everywhere. 0:52:39.989 --> 0:52:42.569 And then they filmed the scene that ends the movie 0:52:42.590 --> 0:52:45.109 Wyatt Earp, and it's on a boat in port, like 0:52:45.260 --> 0:52:47.260 off the coast, in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:51.080 off the coast of... northern Seattle and so everybody was 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.410 really glad to be there really glad to be out 0:52:53.489 --> 0:52:55.930 of the dust really glad that the movie was almost 0:52:55.989 --> 0:52:58.529 finished and like I had I had a couple of 0:52:58.710 --> 0:53:02.839 magical experiences on just the two days maybe three days 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.580 that I was there And then he offered me a 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:09.360 ride home. That's cool. He was leaving the day we wrapped. 0:53:09.380 --> 0:53:11.279 He's like, hey, I got the jet. Do you want 0:53:11.300 --> 0:53:12.340 to ride back to Los Angeles? 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:13.840 And I was like, yep. 0:53:14.140 --> 0:53:14.520 I do. 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:14.980 Yes, I do. 0:53:15.100 --> 0:53:16.040 That's fine. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:17.030 Yeah, thanks. 0:53:17.110 --> 0:53:18.430 Amazing. 0:53:18.489 --> 0:53:21.189 So, yeah, he was great. He was really great. That's 0:53:21.210 --> 0:53:24.190 good to hear. Yeah, that was a good experience. That's awesome. And, 0:53:24.210 --> 0:53:26.049 you know, that was one of the parts where it's 0:53:26.070 --> 0:53:28.489 like there's no acting required. Like basically the character that 0:53:28.510 --> 0:53:31.890 I was playing is recognizing Wyatt Earp. Yeah. For being this, 0:53:31.950 --> 0:53:35.800 you know, it's Wyatt Earp. And so like, I'm Matt Gaston, 0:53:36.020 --> 0:53:39.580 recognizing Kevin Costner. Yeah. Roll camera. 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:40.299 Yeah, that's cool. 0:53:40.340 --> 0:53:41.100 That's cool. 0:53:42.469 --> 0:53:45.069 What do you hope comes next for you? What is 0:53:45.150 --> 0:53:47.950 like in your sights? What are you looking to do? 0:53:48.010 --> 0:53:50.200 We can assume you're going to be working into your 90s. 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.900 So, you know. From your lips to the network's ears. 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.040 So what do you want to tackle next? 0:53:56.340 --> 0:53:59.259 So next I want to get a crown on number 18. 0:53:59.260 --> 0:54:02.920 The root canal I had done yesterday. I haven't been 0:54:02.940 --> 0:54:05.180 able to chew on this side of my mouth for 0:54:05.260 --> 0:54:07.320 a little bit. And I would like this side of 0:54:07.380 --> 0:54:09.359 my mouth would like to chew too, please. 0:54:09.380 --> 0:54:09.680 Okay. 0:54:09.860 --> 0:54:14.029 Yeah. So that's Monday. Great. Work-wise, you know, like the 0:54:14.110 --> 0:54:19.470 Holy Grail, the brass ring, I think for anyone, you know, 0:54:19.510 --> 0:54:23.839 sort of in the working actor, but not working all 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:28.670 the time. What is that called? paradigm. No, there's a 0:54:28.690 --> 0:54:30.830 better word for it. I'll think of it later. Well, 0:54:30.930 --> 0:54:32.750 you know, the whole, the whole, the brass ring is, 0:54:32.870 --> 0:54:34.690 is to get a serious wreck, you know what I mean? 0:54:34.730 --> 0:54:36.870 Is to get a, is to get a consistent gig. 0:54:36.989 --> 0:54:37.609 Yeah. 0:54:37.690 --> 0:54:43.029 To get a role that's, that's meaningful and, and, and, and, 0:54:43.210 --> 0:54:46.270 and fits your face and your personality on a show 0:54:46.330 --> 0:54:49.819 that people like on a show that people are interested 0:54:49.860 --> 0:54:52.529 in seeing three, maybe five seasons of. 0:54:52.950 --> 0:54:53.339 Right. Yeah. 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.910 Well, you know, but I've been, You know, like, if 0:54:56.950 --> 0:54:59.109 we want to go pie in the sky, like, you know, 0:54:59.430 --> 0:55:04.680 big cosmic, you know, next. So, like, our business, the 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:09.340 act of storytelling, is the oldest form of communication on 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:12.299 the planet, right? Like, that's how people are told who 0:55:12.380 --> 0:55:15.319 we are, who we were, who we can be, and 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:21.210 so forth. And, like, you know... My dad's origin story, 0:55:21.250 --> 0:55:24.279 like how John Astin became an actor, is an incredible 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.700 story that I really should let him tell. But I will, again, 0:55:26.860 --> 0:55:30.560 take up probably 45 minutes of your listeners' time telling 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:32.779 a story that could be told in four. No, so 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.440 he had a friend that was going to Worcester College 0:55:36.540 --> 0:55:39.560 in Ohio when my dad was in Hopkins. And he 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:41.480 was going to go out and visit him. And my 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.360 dad's friend said, hey, come out early. My roommate is 0:55:44.530 --> 0:55:47.620 in a play. So my dad hitchhiked out to Ohio 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:51.689 from Bethesda early and saw a performance, saw the play 0:55:51.710 --> 0:55:53.710 that this guy's roommate was in. And it was a 0:55:53.730 --> 0:55:58.529 performance of Our Town, which is a play that your 0:55:58.570 --> 0:56:00.609 listeners may or may not know. It's a good play. 0:56:00.650 --> 0:56:03.790 It's been around for some time. It's about lots of things, 0:56:03.870 --> 0:56:06.690 but sort of who we are and what we're doing 0:56:06.750 --> 0:56:10.069 in this big cosmic soup traveling at the high rate 0:56:10.110 --> 0:56:14.779 of speed we are. But this particular production had the 0:56:14.820 --> 0:56:17.690 character of the stage manager, which is seminal to the play, 0:56:18.410 --> 0:56:21.370 portrayed by Thornton Wilder, the guy that wrote the play. 0:56:21.489 --> 0:56:21.930 Oh, wow. 0:56:21.989 --> 0:56:24.350 This is something that Thornton Wilder did for a little bit. 0:56:24.370 --> 0:56:26.810 He went around the colleges with Our Town and he 0:56:26.850 --> 0:56:27.950 played the stage manager. 0:56:28.070 --> 0:56:29.029 Oh, I didn't realize that. 0:56:29.110 --> 0:56:33.250 Yeah, it's pretty incredible. It's a remarkable thing because the 0:56:33.270 --> 0:56:39.600 play itself can be transformative for people. Questioning... you know, 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:43.279 what is all this? And so my dad had this 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.299 experience where he went into the theater, one person, and 0:56:46.340 --> 0:56:49.120 he came out a different person. He had what he 0:56:49.170 --> 0:56:53.149 will describe as a transcendent experience where he recognized that 0:56:53.250 --> 0:56:57.310 that medium has the power to change who people are. 0:56:58.430 --> 0:57:01.969 So big picture, I would love to be part of 0:57:02.050 --> 0:57:06.120 something that helps us understand who we are now and 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.339 how to get to who we could be later. And 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.290 I think that there are, you know, there are movies 0:57:12.350 --> 0:57:15.670 and there are films and there are, you know, television shows. 0:57:15.710 --> 0:57:21.230 There are plays that help, you know, pull people into 0:57:21.290 --> 0:57:26.690 the present from the past. And, you know, it would 0:57:26.710 --> 0:57:28.070 be really nice to be a part of something that 0:57:28.110 --> 0:57:31.350 helps folks evolve. 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:32.300 That's cool. 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:33.720 That's a great answer. 0:57:33.980 --> 0:57:35.200 Beautiful answer. 0:57:35.500 --> 0:57:35.740 Yep. 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.160 Thank you so much for spending your time with us today. 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.850 Thank you guys for letting me talk on and on. 0:57:43.270 --> 0:57:44.830 We love that. 0:57:45.110 --> 0:57:46.670 We hung on every word. 0:57:46.790 --> 0:57:47.910 It was wonderful. 0:57:47.990 --> 0:57:48.990 That's very kind, Dr. 0:57:49.030 --> 0:57:49.290 Fishel. 0:57:49.310 --> 0:57:51.630 Thank you very much. 0:57:51.650 --> 0:57:51.710 Dr. 0:57:51.770 --> 0:57:54.250 Austin, it was a pleasure. I really thank you so 0:57:54.290 --> 0:57:55.070 much for being here. 0:57:55.890 --> 0:57:57.670 Thank you for having me. The pleasure was mine. Thank you. Bye. 0:57:57.770 --> 0:57:59.580 So great to meet you. Likewise. 0:57:59.600 --> 0:57:59.980 Likewise. 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:00.660 I'll see you all later. 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:01.680 See you later. 0:58:01.820 --> 0:58:02.120 Bye. 0:58:02.420 --> 0:58:05.160 Man, what an incredible human being. 0:58:05.180 --> 0:58:06.080 That was awesome. 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.070 I can see. I want to go have lunch with 0:58:08.110 --> 0:58:10.510 him and just talk for like two hours. Yeah, exactly. 0:58:10.750 --> 0:58:13.650 Man, I really felt like this is a friend. 0:58:14.210 --> 0:58:18.080 And, you know, talk about dismantling the Nepo baby thing. 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.100 How humble he is. How, like, down to earth. 0:58:21.260 --> 0:58:25.440 He has his head around the industry so well. And 0:58:25.500 --> 0:58:28.810 is admitting, even when the Nepo baby question, he's admitting, yeah, 0:58:28.850 --> 0:58:30.810 I'm a Nepo baby. But still able to see it 0:58:30.850 --> 0:58:33.370 for what that is. And, like, just what a smart, 0:58:33.510 --> 0:58:34.450 perceptive guy. 0:58:34.590 --> 0:58:35.390 So, yeah. 0:58:35.630 --> 0:58:36.410 Oh, and talented. 0:58:36.550 --> 0:58:37.610 So talented. 0:58:37.630 --> 0:58:38.230 The whole family. 0:58:38.350 --> 0:58:40.180 The whole family is just talented as hell. It's amazing 0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:41.680 to watch. Not a dud in the bunch. 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:46.020 That was really one of the most enjoyable interviews we've 0:58:46.060 --> 0:58:50.340 had in four years. No disrespect to anyone else. We've 0:58:50.380 --> 0:58:52.740 had lots of amazing interviews, but that is up there 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:53.460 for sure. 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:54.840 Wow. All right. 0:58:54.900 --> 0:58:56.740 Well, thank you all for listening to this episode of 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.170 Podmeets World. 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