1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Suspected killer. Suspected killer husband 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Brian Walts, twists and turns in court as his wife's 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: lover takes the stand. The jury brings down the hammer. 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A Massachusetts father of 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: three stands trial for his wife, Anna Walsh's alleged murder, 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: and while he's sitting there, groomed perfectly flanked by a 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: phalanx of attorneys, his wife's alleged his wife's lover takes 9 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: the stand. That's right, Brian Walsh, accused of murdering and 10 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: is remembering his wife, Anna, the mother of his children, 11 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: got to sit by and listen to his lover, to 12 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: her lover on the stand. Now listen to this, and 13 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: you can't really blame the defense attorney. What did he 14 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: have to work with? During opening statements, defense attorneys said 15 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh found his wife dead in bed on New 16 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Year's Day, then panicked, lied to police as they investigated 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: her disappearance, but swore he didn't kill her. Okay, so 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: he finds her dad and didn't call nine one one. 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: He decided it was a better idea to dismember her 20 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: and get rid of her body. Okay. Jurors also her 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: testimony from a man who was Anna Walsh's lover on 22 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: the stand, as well as a voicemail. Brian Walsh left 23 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: the guy the day she Anna was reported missing. His name, 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: William Fastau, real estate broker in d C, met Anna 25 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: while she was looking for a home in d C 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: and he helped her buy a townhouse. Now, remember her husband, 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Brian Waltsh was on house arrest because he's an art 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: con selling fake Andy Warhol's. So I guess anybody but 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: him looked pretty attractive to her. Yeah, my husband's on 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: house arrest, at home, not making a living. Not attractive. 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm telling you this much. I get up 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: and go to work every day, and I expect David 33 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: Lynch to get up and go to work every day too, 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: and he does. Plus, don't be jealous, ladies, he empties 35 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: the trash and cleans up after I cook. So you 36 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: know that said, that's a high standard. Brian Watsh just 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: laid around the house. Why because he was a con 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: and got sentenced to house arrest. Fast How the lover says, 39 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: Enna was despaonna and sad because she was away from 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: her children so much, but she had to be to 41 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: make a living because her husband had home confinement. She 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: was deeply upset that she was not in a position 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: to be the mother to her children she wanted to 44 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: be because of her husband. What happened to Anna Walts. 45 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: New Tonight Police were asking the public to help them 46 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without 47 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old 48 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was 49 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: she works during the week, but there's no record of 51 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports 52 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been able. 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: To confirm that. 54 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: share in Cohasset. 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: We confurther, we have confirmed with the Alnes. 59 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 5: And that's been a challenge that she did not board 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 5: a plane this week. 61 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: Police say her phone has been off and there has 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Is 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: a loving wife and mother. 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 6: Dave. 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 7: She always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys. 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 5: So she loves so. 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Much Phil boys wondering where is mommy? Hearing our friends 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: at WPR I in WUSA, so where's Anna now? I 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: had to take that exact flight very often, and between 70 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a triangle 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: of hourly flights with me an all star panel to 72 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for Boston 74 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter at 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us. 76 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than 77 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: I did? I mean, I know, out of in New York, 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: I would very often have to race from Court TV 79 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal, because they had 81 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to d C, 82 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: it or not, they were so regular, almost like a 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: bus for sake, I could be there within two hours 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing, But 86 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: there are so many flights out of Logan to New 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: York and d C. That's a lot of investigation to 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: find out if she really did get on a plane. 89 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 8: Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 8: this sounded odd because you're talking. This was New Year's Day. 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 8: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day. 92 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 8: She had a party at her house that went until 93 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 8: about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 8: New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there 95 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 8: was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C. 96 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me let's start right there. Bob Ward 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: is joining me from Boston twenty five mews. I'm drinking 98 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're giving 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: me so much information so quickly. So with the three children, 100 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: she was actually working in DC, living in the Boston area. 101 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: And what was her job in DC? Was it a 102 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: new job? 103 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 8: It was a fairly new job. You know, we're still 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 8: trying to unpack some of this stuff. But she had 105 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 8: a job with an apartment down in DC. 106 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC? 107 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 8: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was 108 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 8: not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager. 109 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold 110 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: on just a moment we all know about getting a 111 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: new job, you feel like you've got to do whatever 112 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: they want to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow, 113 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're going to 114 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean, 115 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: David Stutdard is with me right now, guys. Now I 116 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: think of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD 117 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very 118 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: well known lawyer. David Studdard, do you remember your first 119 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: day on the job as a cop? 120 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 8: Absolutely? 121 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 5: I do, and it was a los long time ago, 122 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day, 123 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 5: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting 124 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 5: to get out and stay in the world. 125 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: And didn't want to screw anything up and land at 126 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: some desk assignment. 127 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 8: That's right. 128 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: We were on a very strict six month probationary period 129 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: when we first started there, and any infraction would cause 130 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely. 131 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do 132 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: to get to that probationary period. 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, yeh man, 135 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm going unscrew this up. This is nothing like being 136 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: a cop. 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 5: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling. 138 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, you remember you would be with 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: me on the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is 140 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: with me, renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. 141 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with to see Karen. 142 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: You'd be with me on the set at Court TV, 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: and my stomach would be churning to figure out if 144 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry Kings 145 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: to in Washington to get on the air, you know, 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: And I would make it. I don't think I ever 147 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig, 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you 149 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: got to fly to d C to be on tonight, 150 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman, 151 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: they go, hey you got to fly down to d C. 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New 153 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Year's Day and she would hop that plane would do 154 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: you agree with that? 155 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 9: I would agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those 156 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 9: days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 9: above and beyond what you needed to do. I used 158 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 9: to watch you and Larry King because I couldn't believe 159 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 9: that you would make it, and you always made it. 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: But what pressure. Yeah, there were a lot of white 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: knuckles in a cab trying to get to LaGuardia Marine. 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: So we're hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right. 163 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: But yet it was a new job, so people talked 164 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself. But then 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: things even went more sideways. Take a listen to our 166 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: friends at Boston twenty five. 167 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 10: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how 168 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 10: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting 169 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 10: a well being check was made on January fourth by 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 10: a man who identified himself as the head of security 171 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 10: at Honor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spyer. The log 172 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 10: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported 173 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 10: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on 174 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 10: a left for DC, and he hadn't heard from her since. 175 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 10: According to the log on his phone, last piged on 176 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 10: January second at three fourteen am in Cohasset and hit 177 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 10: the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less than a 178 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 10: mile from the family's home. 179 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: Okay with me. Very well known PI private investigator Tom 180 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is president of CMP Protective 181 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, and you can 182 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't 183 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: like it when it's your job calling to report you missing, 184 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: not your family. 185 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 8: Correct. 186 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: I mean it distincs to the high heavens. It really does. 187 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: Not to mention that it is a lot easier now 188 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 4: than when I joined the force before my colleague in 189 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check TSA records, 190 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: to check different airlines. There's only a certain number of 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC, 192 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity 193 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: to go into those records now and search for her name, 194 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: her data, birth and see if she A had a 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: plane reservation, B. Did she clear security with all the 196 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: cameras that are in airports and c did she actually 197 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: get on the flight? 198 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, that's an excellent point. 199 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: you'll laugh at this. Stuttered going to the greyhound bus 201 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: station in inner city Atlanta, trying to find out if 202 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: a particular woman who always into this day is still 203 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if 204 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a greyhound bus before she 205 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer. 206 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Don't worry, I got them on one one. But it 207 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: was so hard to. 208 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: Do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from 209 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 4: Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport. 210 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: You used to be able to run through no magainetometers. 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 4: You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight 212 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: or Eastern back then, and you just jump on the 213 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: flight with a random ticket that you could say any hour. Nowadays, 214 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: you can't do that. 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man. They got to justify their existence 216 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: and so they will do a full on body cavity 217 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: search if they feel like it. It doesn't matter who 218 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: you are. You know, who gets searched the most. My 219 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: mother going in with a wheelchair when we push her 220 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: around the airport even though she can walk. But yeah, 221 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: they love to hone in on my mom. Elizabeth that said, 222 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a couple of air 223 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: carriers that go between Boston and d C. Crime Stories 224 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace the lover fast Out testified the fraud 225 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: case against Brian Walts was a quote big stresser in 226 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Anna's marriage, and it felt like he was ruining and 227 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: she felt like it was ruining her and the children's life. 228 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: He testified that Anna and Walsh had a quote heated 229 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: argument over credit card charges. She told him Brian Walt, 230 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: sitting on his rear end on the sofa not working, 231 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: has spent thousands for a sports memorabilia business. I would 232 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: have done a beflop. What do we know about the 233 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: evidence regarding her murder? The employer is reporting Anna missing, 234 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: not her family, but listen to this WBZ. 235 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left 236 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends. It's the 237 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: same day Anna was reported missing to police. 238 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 7: Said Brian Walsh. 239 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 5: I hope all is going well, I was just reaching 240 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 5: out to basically everybody I could. 241 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 7: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know, 242 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 7: anyone that might have that contact with her. 243 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 11: Just you calling everyone. So I've heard to bother you 244 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 11: for everything. 245 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Fine, So we do see the husband reaching out to 246 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: her friends and leaving voicemails for all of them trying 247 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: to find out if they had heard from Anna and 248 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: joining me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of 249 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Digital Mountain, Inc. At Digital Mountain dot com. Julie, thank 250 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: you for being with us, Tom Ruskin. The PI points 251 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 1: out how much easier it is to check flight records 252 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly, or asking 253 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: the carrier like Delta to check their records to find 254 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: out if somebody made a flight. So, according to police, 255 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: she didn't make that flight. But what Julie lewis about 256 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: ride share, lift, Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't 257 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: that leave a trail if she had taken a right 258 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: chair to the airport. 259 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 12: You can certainly contact the custodian of records at the ubers, 260 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 12: the lift and types of companies that she would have 261 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 12: taken a ride share and find out that information with 262 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 12: legal due process and see what you know, what the 263 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 12: actual fact pattern is there? 264 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get 265 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: their right chair through their phone app. 266 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 5: If you have access to her yes, if you have. 267 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 11: Access to her phone, you knew. 268 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 7: The whereabouts of that phone. 269 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 11: You would have access to the app. But most of 270 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 11: that data would be stored. 271 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 12: In the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application. 272 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: Uh not. 273 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 12: It might not be stored on. 274 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: The local phone. So that's something to consider. 275 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't 276 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say, 277 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their 278 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone. 279 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Can we get into the iCloud that way? 280 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 11: Typically you would need the user name, you would need 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 11: a password for the accounts, and you would also if they. 282 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 12: Have multifacturer authentication, turned on the code from the text message. 283 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: So a little harder than I thought. But you know 284 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: what we're talking about her phone and where she Where 285 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: is the husband during all of this? Take a listener 286 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: our cut thirty five Lynn Bilund talking and indicating our 287 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: January first at three pm. We did some arans and 288 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: reach was not his. 289 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 6: House and swamps, but but Glost because he didn't have 290 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 6: his phone. 291 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: He said, you know, he was lost when he saw. 292 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 8: A pirate ship one root one. 293 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 6: Defenders stated stayed fifteen minutes, then went. 294 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: To Whole Foods and CBS. 295 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 6: Savannah's has checked and he did not enter either with 296 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 6: those stores. 297 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Okay. Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance 298 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: of Otto Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship 299 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: on route one what okay, now wait a minute, wait, 300 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: so he says the husband says he's going to visit 301 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: his mother and he gets lost on the way to 302 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: his mom's home, and when he sees a pirate ship, 303 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: he knows he's lost, but then goes into Whole Fows 304 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: and CBS even though he's lost. 305 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 8: What the pirate ship is a landmark on the one 306 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 8: area there's you know that area of Swampskip where his 307 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 8: mother lives. There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, 308 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 8: that sort of thing. And I think that's what it 309 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 8: was that he's talking about, was a landmark that he 310 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 8: saw that told him where he was. And he said 311 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 8: he got lost because he didn't have a GPS on 312 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 8: his phone with him, because he's elected at home. 313 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unusual. I've told that 314 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and 315 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without It doesn't make 316 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: sense to me he didn't have a cell phone, especially 317 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: if he hasn't heard from his wife. Wouldn't you keep 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: your cell phone with you at that time in case 319 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: she called? 320 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 9: Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really 321 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 9: leave home these days without their phone. It's it's improbable. 322 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 9: I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home 323 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 9: and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to 324 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 9: me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have 325 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 9: no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows 326 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 9: exactly what he's doing. 327 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: In the search for Anna Walsh. Local authorities find something 328 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: very unusual. Take a listen to our cut forty. 329 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 6: Data from the phone also practices where boats on January 330 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 6: third locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January 331 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 6: third from pot Complex and hargen So valiance shows the 332 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 6: defendant's BOBO as well as a male befitting the dependent's 333 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 6: appearance Exeter Pa. 334 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: Near the dumpster. 335 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 6: He watched the dumpster Caunton garbage he's leaning and it 336 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 6: appears to be heavy as he has to heft it 337 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 6: into the dumpster. 338 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: He walks to the dumpster. 339 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 6: With garbage matter and leaves it on full forty eight. 340 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 6: He hit another complex in Averton and at five ten pm, 341 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 6: cell phone shows records at another apartment and brought to him. 342 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 6: Video shows a hearty consistent with his appearance and his 343 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 6: global again. 344 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: He decided ads in the dumpster. Bob Ward joining us 345 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: from Boston twenty five on his disappearance. From the very beginning, 346 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with my husband throwing trash 347 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: out there in the dumpster outside our house, but when 348 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: he starts going from one dumpster to the next dumpster, 349 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: to the next dumpster to the next dumpster, all in 350 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: within a one hour period, that concerns me. And you 351 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: know who reminds me of And you're gonna know this 352 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut mom of five. 353 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: Remember her husband, Fotus Delos and his mistress. They're going 354 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: all around town dropping off items and they're caught on 355 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: surveillance video. Why is it, Bob, or maybe you can 356 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: shed some light on this. Why is it that when 357 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a 358 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: knee nick and he has to throw out the trash. 359 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 8: Good question, Nancy, I think we know the answer to that. 360 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 8: And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January 361 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 8: third incident that you just played the cut from the 362 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 8: dumpsters in the south Shore and Abington and Brockton, what 363 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 8: we're going to find out in court that is, when 364 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 8: the remains of on A. Walsh are being discarded in 365 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 8: those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator 366 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 8: in the south Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour 367 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 8: of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. 368 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 8: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought 369 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 8: is that they never will be because that's for those 370 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 8: bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered 371 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 8: in this case were brought to the north shore near 372 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 8: that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they 373 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 8: were not brought to an incinerator but to a landfill. 374 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 8: They were found and it's inside I don't know from 375 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 8: getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is 376 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 8: where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in 377 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 8: this case. 378 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said 379 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: one more time in very slowly? 380 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 7: Sure? 381 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband 382 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: Brian Waltch visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned 383 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: out where the trash was picked up and taken some 384 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, 385 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, 386 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny 387 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: bit of truth and to their big fat lie the 388 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: pirate ship. 389 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 9: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy, 390 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 9: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right, 391 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 9: like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke, 392 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 9: but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're 393 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 9: very adept at being able to tell a lie that 394 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 9: has a little bit of truth in it, but a 395 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 9: lot of fawceond I like. 396 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: The rebeiast conjure I like a magician or a wizard, 397 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: because one moment on a Walsh is there with witnesses 398 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: at a New Year's Eve party and the next moment 399 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: she's gone, Bob Ward joining me. Investigative Report of Boston 400 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: twenty five, tell me again what you just said? 401 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 8: So On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, 402 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 8: is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into 403 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 8: dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston and the towns 404 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 8: of Thatington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash 405 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 8: bags that he was struggling with to get into the 406 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 8: dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife on a Walsh. 407 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 8: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to 408 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 8: an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of 409 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 8: those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated 410 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 8: and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found. 411 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 8: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case. 412 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 8: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did 413 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 8: not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in 414 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 8: the case on the south Shore. The allegation is that 415 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 8: he took his tools, the instruments that he used to 416 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 8: dismember his wife's body, along with some of her clothes 417 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 8: and belongings, and put them in other trash bags, scarded 418 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 8: those things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston 419 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 8: near his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash 420 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 8: bags have been recovered and those items are going to 421 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 8: be an important part of this case in this trial 422 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 8: when it takes place. 423 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those 424 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: trash bags in January? 425 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 8: What we've been told was that they found a hatchet, 426 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 8: a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, they found 427 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 8: Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was 428 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 8: seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy, 429 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 8: they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what 430 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 8: they found. 431 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and now lawyer, 432 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: what rank did you get to? Started? 433 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 4: I left? 434 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 5: There's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective. 435 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: Left? Okay, David, have you ever had a case without 436 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: a body aside without a body? 437 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 8: Yes? 438 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: I have. Can I just say that's a tough pill 439 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to swallow? 440 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 5: It is, but fortunately even in those cases and this guy, look, 441 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 5: you know, as a homicide detective. I would have been 442 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 5: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact 443 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 5: that his wife gets on an airplane, she's apparently overdue, 444 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 5: he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after 445 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 5: he is contacted by her employer does he make an 446 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets 447 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 5: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard 448 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down, 449 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 5: I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know, 450 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 5: trying to call her and call her. This guy has 451 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 5: done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean, 452 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 5: he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know, 453 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 5: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located, 454 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 5: which to my point is, you know, even the most 455 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 5: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's 456 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: almost impossible to do without leaving some sort of forensic 457 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a mountain 458 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 5: of it. 459 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it could you. Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, 460 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to you just a moment about 461 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: possible nav systems on his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me, 462 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: and then I want Karen start to weigh in on 463 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's private investigator or extraordinary 464 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Tom listen. I 465 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: don't like jewelry. I really don't like fancy clothes. I 466 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: don't like fancy cars. But if you were to take 467 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: let's just say, this little ring right here, this is 468 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, 469 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: it's not be jeweled, but if you were to take that, 470 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: I would come after you. All right. There are just 471 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: some things that wouldn't matter to me. And I've got 472 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: a funny feeling this woman would not want her to 473 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: fancy boots and her proud of hers thrown out. 474 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: No, and it would be weird if she had left 475 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: and left for a business trip, if she didn't take 476 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the 477 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect, 478 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of 479 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 4: the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't 480 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: need a body anymore to prove a case. 481 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: It sure helps, though, man. Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah, 482 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give 483 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: him a gold star for getting rid of the body. 484 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing 485 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure, as 486 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: hag helps, if you do have a dead body to 487 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: prove a murder case. 488 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: But it also goes against him because we know that 489 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 4: he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What 490 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 4: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His 491 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 4: pickup's not working at his house. 492 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Karen starts, He's so right. And Karen, again, I threw 493 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do you 494 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: guys turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear? 495 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying 496 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct. 497 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed. 498 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then 499 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it 500 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: at the corner at the end of the driveway, or 501 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why 502 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: do you go to five or six different dumpsters and 503 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody 504 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: rags and towels in a dumpster. 505 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 9: Do something different what always happens, Nancy. He believes he's 506 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 9: not going to get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. 507 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 9: I mean, he gets lost going to his mother. 508 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: He didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous 509 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: route from one dump to the next. 510 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 9: And also saying that he went to places where they 511 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 9: could check and he did not go. 512 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second? Yes, 513 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: I just want to bring welso bring up the fact 514 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 4: this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has 515 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman 516 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to 517 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 4: Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off? 518 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well, 519 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: we go to the airport, you show off your phone 520 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on. 521 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 4: To mister Stoddard's point once you land. Why is she 522 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: becoming all of a sudden sreptitious or becoming covert in 523 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 4: her actions, which sort of defies the logic of the husband. 524 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I 525 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: don't guess any of you people on this panel have 526 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: read Don't be an Victim written by Oh what's that 527 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: girl's name? Oh Nancy Grace. You're supposed to like take 528 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: a picture of when you're in the parking deck, which 529 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: I do and send in my family, and then when 530 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: I get on the plane, I take a picture I'm 531 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: on the plane and send to them. You don't even 532 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: have to write a text or write words, but just 533 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: let people know where you're going. Jackie. I think I've 534 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: even sent them to you before. Yes, I have. Okay, guys, 535 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. But I want to 536 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: ask Julie Louis Something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, 537 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: what about I like to just say on Star as 538 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: a blanket nav description, wouldn't his car show everywhere he 539 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: had been if it were, you know, anything older than 540 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: in twenty ten? 541 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 11: So before I jump into that, I just you were 542 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 11: talking about pictures, and there was supposedly a picture she 543 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 11: photographed of herself with her. 544 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 12: Wedding ring off and some of her final photos, and 545 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 12: so within that picture things called excess data that you 546 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 12: can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about 547 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 12: where she was when the picture was taken. 548 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: Say that is why you're the expert. I didn't even 549 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so. 550 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 11: Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is 551 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 11: a moving computer these days on most cars with. 552 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 12: Why buy has GPS, it has a cell network, all 553 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 12: these things that you can use for tracking. So if 554 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 12: Brian's car has has that in it, law enforcement could 555 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 12: have certainly used that information. The other thing that happens 556 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 12: in cars is a lot of people think their phones 557 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 12: and so text messages, contacts, you know, browser history, all 558 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 12: these things may be on that on. 559 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 5: The car now. 560 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 12: You know, for example, if you rent a. 561 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 11: Car, even that information can be on that. So that's 562 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 11: something that's really important to note. 563 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car, 564 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: the car can track everything that you have written on 565 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: your phone during that time. 566 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 11: It could be thinking like you when you are in 567 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 11: a uber your playlist, Depending on the configuration, it could 568 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 11: actually download that. So you don't want to go in 569 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 11: some stranger's car rental car. 570 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 12: And plug it in because the car and voltanment system 571 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 12: could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone. 572 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: Good to Night Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The lover 573 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: also testifies their relationship was hidden from Anna's husband, but 574 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: it was serious and they were planning to travel abroad together. 575 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Anna wanted to tell Brian about the relationship. The two 576 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: were supposed to have dinner to discuss their future together 577 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: on January four, but he never heard from her. What 578 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: happened between Christmas in January the fourth Take a listener 579 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: hour cut thirty six This is Land, Bilan talking On. 580 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 6: January first, defenditive googled. 581 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: Using a son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows. 582 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 6: Keep in mind that the defendant said he left at 583 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 6: sixteen six am. 584 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: At four fifty five. 585 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 6: Am on January first, he searched how long before a 586 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 6: body starts to smell? 587 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going? 588 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 8: Eight am? 589 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 6: How to stop a body from decomposing? 590 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 7: At five twenty am. 591 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 6: He searched how to bound the body At five forty 592 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 6: seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body 593 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 6: if you really need to. At six twenty five am 594 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 6: on the first how long for someone to be missing 595 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 6: to inherit? 596 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 9: At six thirty four am. 597 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: On first, can you go away body pots? Okay, I 598 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 1: think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance 599 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School. 600 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let 601 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: me just ask you a couple days and I'd like 602 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: to point out also, this is food for thought for you. 603 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like they don't 604 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: know how to read the search history and there's daddy searching. 605 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? How do 606 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid 607 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: of a body? Ten ways to dispose of a dead 608 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: body if you really need to. I'm glad he added 609 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: to check that on it at the end. How long 610 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: before how long for someone to be missing to inherit? 611 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay? 612 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stone 613 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: or Debt. You don't really need the dead body to 614 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: prove that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you 615 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: give me some quick answers to those this is a 616 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: lightning round for you. How long before a body starts 617 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: to smell? 618 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 5: Doctor Crown's for ten days? 619 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. I'm 620 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: not going to ask why how do you stop a 621 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: body from decomposing? 622 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 8: Refrigeration? 623 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 7: I mean, you look at it. That guy they found 624 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 7: in the iceberg ot see the iceman. He was missing 625 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 7: for a thousand years and he's stuck in the iceberg. 626 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 7: So really, refrigeration is the best way to prevent a 627 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 7: body from decomposing. 628 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you 629 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: really need to. That's not a medical question. Let me 630 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: go to the next medical question. Can you throw away 631 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: body parts? 632 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 7: You have to, you know, if you don't want the 633 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 7: trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was 634 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 7: possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual 635 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 7: and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable human 636 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 7: and then mix them in with other trash. And another 637 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 7: good way is to put them in I think it's 638 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 7: like these pool chemicals that can melt the body parts 639 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 7: down into kind of a slug. 640 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually ante scaring many 641 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: people that are listening to you right now putting it 642 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start. I know you've 643 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: got something to ad hold on. What did you say 644 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: about pool cleaner, doctor Kendall Crowns. 645 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 7: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in 646 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 7: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it 647 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 7: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve 648 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 7: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the 649 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 7: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this 650 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 7: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that. 651 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law, 652 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am. But guess what, guys, 653 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: there's more. Take a listen again to lend Biland at 654 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: nine twenty nine am. 655 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 6: What does from Aldeheide do at nine to thirty four one? First, 656 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 6: how long does the DNA list at nine to fifty 657 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 6: nine am. Can identification be made when passion means? At 658 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 6: eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the best ways to 659 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 6: dispose of a body at eleven forty four. 660 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: How to put blood from wooden. 661 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 6: Flu at eleven fifty six On the first moment, all 662 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 6: to detect. 663 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 3: Blood at one oh eight? 664 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 6: What happens when you put body pots in a moment 665 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 6: at one twenty one pm? Is better than full clime 666 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 6: scene close away or washing them? 667 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 8: Those one the general worst. 668 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions 669 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three 670 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: little boys are left without their mother while this guy 671 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: is googling what does for maldehyde do? How long does 672 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment? 673 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when 674 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away 675 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kendel 676 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: Crown's lightning round, Doctor Crown's how long does DNA last? 677 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 7: You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years. 678 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: What does from aldehyde do? 679 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 7: From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use 680 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 7: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved 681 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 7: for a long periods of time. 682 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl 683 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: Crowns That one. 684 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 8: I don't know. 685 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 7: That's a new one to me. As far as I know, 686 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 7: I've stopped. 687 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: You're out, No, don't go, I've got more. Oh well, 688 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen one can 689 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: or three that. 690 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 6: Same day at one o two pm to do some 691 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 6: more Google searches. 692 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: What happens to. 693 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 6: Hear when a dead body at one thirteen pm? What 694 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 6: is the rate of decomposition of the body found in 695 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 6: a plastic bag compared to on a service in the 696 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 6: woods at one pm? 697 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: In faking soda mask? Or maybe a body smell good? 698 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: Ken baking soda make a body a dead body smell good? 699 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: These Google searches have led to a bombshell development in 700 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: the search for Ana Walch Bob were joining Me Boston 701 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: twenty five News and indictment explain. 702 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 8: Who was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators, 703 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 8: and improper disposal of a body. So his case is 704 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 8: being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior 705 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 8: Court has the authority if he is when he has 706 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 8: tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to 707 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 8: hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder 708 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 8: for life not for ale, which is the maximum sentence 709 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 8: here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty in Massachusetts. Natty. 710 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 8: Can I just say one thing about the internet search 711 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 8: and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me 712 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 8: when I go back over this timeline and you realize 713 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 8: that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there 714 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 8: were three people at this party. It was Brian Anna, 715 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 8: and they had one guest in the house, and that 716 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 8: guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one 717 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 8: o'clock in the morning. That first search. How long before 718 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 8: a body starts to smell is at four fifty five 719 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 8: am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock 720 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 8: in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone, 721 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 8: and that search is done, and I just think about that, 722 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 8: and I think that she's in the house. They also 723 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 8: found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment. 724 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 8: They said that they found blood in the basement and 725 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 8: they found I think it was two bloody knives, one 726 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 8: broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell 727 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 8: of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know, 728 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 8: I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there 729 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 8: in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and 730 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 8: he finds his kid's iPad and he's doing these searches 731 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 8: within a couple of hours of his wife being there, 732 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 8: someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing. 733 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 8: I had a story, I broke a story about how 734 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 8: he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And 735 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 8: here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three, 736 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 8: in the house with her dead body, and this is 737 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 8: she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up 738 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 8: with this plan on what to do with her remains. 739 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 8: You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing 740 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 8: this for forty years, and the depravity of this case to 741 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 8: me is really just off the charts. 742 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: The three children, the three little boys, now no mom 743 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters, 744 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: motive never has to be proven in court, but mom, 745 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: why why did he do this? 746 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 8: There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking 747 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 8: to investigators, The New York Post had this, this picture 748 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 8: you all may have seen, and I talked to an 749 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 8: investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of 750 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 8: champagne from the party that the New York Post got 751 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 8: a picture of. That was that was on the dining 752 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 8: room table. I went knocked on the door. When before 753 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 8: all this blew out, before everything happened, I was trying 754 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 8: to talk to Brian. I didn't you know when she 755 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 8: was missing, and we didn't know what we were getting 756 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 8: ourselves into, really really early on, and I could see 757 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 8: inside and the Christmas tree was still set up and 758 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 8: it was still lit. You could see inside. I didn't 759 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 8: see what I'm about to describe to you because the 760 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 8: police hadn't done their search yet. So they found a 761 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 8: bottle of champagne and that was still in its box, 762 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 8: and the New York Post got a picture of this, 763 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 8: and on the side of the box on a Walsh 764 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 8: had written a note to Brian on New Year's Eve 765 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 8: that said, to Brian, we made it through twenty twenty two. 766 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 8: It was a tough year, but twenty twenty three is 767 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 8: going to be a great year. I love you, Anna, 768 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 8: and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator 769 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 8: that I spoke to said they believed that that was her. 770 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 8: Those are her last words to the world. And when 771 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 8: I look at there's another Internet search here from December 772 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 8: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search 773 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 8: was found, so they didn't say if it was on 774 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 8: the kids iPad, or it was on a phone or 775 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 8: a computer, but all it said was the best state 776 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 8: for a divorce for a man. So that's from December 777 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 8: twenty seventh, when Honor's still alive, before the New Year's 778 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 8: Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this, 779 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 8: whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never 780 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 8: saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I 781 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 8: think because the story that I broke about the threat 782 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 8: that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, 783 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 8: they were just dating. She complained to DC police that 784 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 8: he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think, 785 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 8: and I know investigators think that this is a domestic 786 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 8: violence case and there's an escalation that started. Then in 787 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's 788 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 8: pointing at a bruise on her face and she said 789 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 8: that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's 790 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 8: on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there 791 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 8: was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the 792 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 8: police were ever called, but something happened was going on 793 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 8: behind the scenes, and this is going to be one 794 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 8: of the things that I'm going to be watching for 795 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 8: to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded, 796 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 8: because you don't, you don't get to this kind of 797 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 8: and this hatred to I can understand a moment of 798 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 8: passion and murder, of a moment of anger, but this 799 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 8: dismemberment and this depravity that we see here, and these 800 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 8: messages that are caught on the iPad, and then what 801 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 8: we've been talking about with the disposal of the body, 802 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 8: it's almost too much. 803 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: The jury brings down the hammer, finding Brian Walsh guilty 804 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: in the murder and dismemberment of his wife, thirty nine 805 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: year old Anna Walsh, the mother of their three little boys. 806 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: He gets life without parole. Brian Walsh wrought in hell. 807 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye riand