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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts now. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Round the League Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Handers, and I'm joined by a room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes Chris Westling, Greg Rosenthal, and Handsome Hank. What up, boys, Hey, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Henry Hodson, the notorious DP sitting in for Settler for

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Speaker 1: the time being. He's going, we actually have something to

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Speaker 1: get to, a little conversation piece that started downstairs. Hank

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Speaker 1: is gonna hang around for a few minutes to do

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Speaker 1: some news. We'll get to a little beef that we have,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll be on with your next programming issue.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a beef, but okay, if you

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Speaker 1: want to. If you have, people will tune in for

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Speaker 1: that bit. They'll be sticking around to see what this is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not a Damn Check podcast, a t L podcast beef.

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Speaker 1: This is more personality because you're you're basically a cast

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Speaker 1: member of the Dave Damage Program. That's a fact, right,

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Speaker 1: maybe slightly, but I don't want to know. There is

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Speaker 1: obviously a problem between you guys and Dave specifically, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't extend to me, although I do view Hank

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Speaker 1: is like the old movie studio system where once you're

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Speaker 1: in the studio system you could not escape. So you

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Speaker 1: being part of this is like Fay Ray going from

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Speaker 1: r KO Pictures to Universal for one project one off

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Speaker 1: project Ridge Ridge Eyes, and obviously has me often on

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Speaker 1: his podcast as well. So I just very seriously, you

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Speaker 1: might have a problem with damage after this. He may

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Speaker 1: not like this cross pollination. I'm willing to I'm wanting

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Speaker 1: to take that risk. Big show. Today, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: over some big names that could end up being salary

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Speaker 1: cap casualties. We have our off season forecast series. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get through three of those teams. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: with Hank about the issue he has with us. But

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Speaker 1: before that, we're gonna start the gold standard behind the glass.

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? Why don't we do some headlines?

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Speaker 1: Let's do it all right? Obviously, the big headline here,

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Speaker 1: uh Michael Sam, the NFL draft prospect and the sec

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Speaker 1: CO Defensive Player of the Year out of Missouri, announces

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Speaker 1: he's gay, which is something substantial in the world of sports. Correct. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was telling Greg, we've now heard everyone's opinion on it,

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Speaker 1: and it's basically the same opinion. It's boring. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean the opinions are boring. Yeah, everyone thinks the

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Speaker 1: same thing about it. There's which is I guess better

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Speaker 1: than the opposite, which would be a divisive issue where

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Speaker 1: some people are against the guy. It doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be divisive, but you could come up with something original. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. This is your chance, Chris. I would

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Speaker 1: compare it to what I find interesting in comparison to

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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Martin story. I think Michael Sam has owned

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Speaker 1: this story and controlled it and comes from a position

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Speaker 1: of strength, and it speaks volumes that his teammates knew

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Speaker 1: And I think he'll actually fit in better in the

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Speaker 1: toughen him up. It seems to me like Michael Sam's

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Speaker 1: gonna come into the NFL and that won't even be

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Speaker 1: a factor. He's coming in from position of strength, and

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Speaker 1: I would guess will be more liked by his teammates

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Speaker 1: interesting things that could be that, well, you know, this

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Speaker 1: be all the way up until the draft, and more

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Speaker 1: than just sports media are going to be into this

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Speaker 1: story when he's drafted. Eventually where he is, and let's say,

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Speaker 1: from everything we've heard over the last twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: Are the media that aren't normally part of the sports

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Speaker 1: media are gonna point to the NFL and say, this

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Speaker 1: guy wasn't a first round pick, you know, which is

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Speaker 1: therefore there's some kind there's something against him. I think that. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if he gets drafted, that's all the national media doesn't

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Speaker 1: draft structure, They're like, oh, he was drafted. If he

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to think he wouldn't get drafted anyways,

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Speaker 1: team owners that release statements and coaches and gms all

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Speaker 1: expressing support. There's no doubt one of them would take

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Speaker 1: it because it's a bad look exactly. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think he's definitely gonna get drafted, because there have

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Speaker 1: been so many people who've already said that they liked

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Speaker 1: And I understand we're all cynical as sportswriters that we're

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Speaker 1: It's just it's almost a relief because when this was

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Speaker 1: I guess on some level of Matt Tito and in

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that it give me a break, of

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Speaker 1: course this is a story. You don't think this is

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Speaker 1: why you're also seeing every or seemingly, as my NFL

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Speaker 1: think of things now, put a bow on it. Greg,

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Speaker 1: getting Dan wants us to move on That's why he said,

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Speaker 1: this is momentous. Is this a big societal issue? But

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Speaker 1: I think the fight ist will schedule for sometime soon, right,

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Speaker 1: I haven't even bought my tried hansom. Alright, gentlemen, so

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Speaker 1: we uh we move right along. We were talking about

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Speaker 1: Miles Austin earlier as a potential cap casualty. Um, let's

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Speaker 1: go over some other names right that that could be

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Speaker 1: purge that almost certainly will end up on another roster,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why their team is getting rid of

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Speaker 1: them it may be more about the financial and than

436
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Speaker 1: the performance end or in some cases a combination of both. Um.

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Speaker 1: I did a post yesterday about it. So should I

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Speaker 1: just go down my list and then we can or

439
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Speaker 1: should I throw it around? How do you guys want

440
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Speaker 1: to do this? Let's go down the list you made

441
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Speaker 1: and let's say these are the biggest name salary cap casualties.

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Speaker 1: And we are going to have so much content on

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Speaker 1: around the eage regarding free you don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing. So we'll have a comprehensive list of

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Speaker 1: all the possible cap casualties. We've got our team outlooks.

446
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Speaker 1: What are they called off season his potential salary cap

447
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Speaker 1: casuals in each one. But here's some of the big names.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll start right here running back Chris Johnson

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Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans. Uh. There, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the slam dunk ones. I I attach an arbitrary percentage

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Speaker 1: chance um each of these guys he gets cut. I

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Speaker 1: set this one at. Am I correct there? Where? Am

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Speaker 1: I going too low? I think that's about right. I

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Speaker 1: might put it at, but I think the bottom line

455
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Speaker 1: is he's got very little chance of returning at his

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Speaker 1: current salary. He says he's not taking a pay cut

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Speaker 1: to stay there. I believe him on this one, because

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Speaker 1: he's just gonna want to see what's behind door number two.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not that pretty. Remember Stephen Jackson was

460
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Speaker 1: supposed to be a big free agent last year. It's

461
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Speaker 1: not that pretty for a lot of these guys. And

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Speaker 1: it's especially wild, untamed area for running backs who are

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Speaker 1: nearing thirty years old. And Johnson is an interesting case

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Speaker 1: because I actually touched base with us over instant messenger

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Speaker 1: uh yesterday. Because it's not like Chris Johnson is old.

466
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Speaker 1: I think he's twenty eight now, and it's not like

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Speaker 1: he ever suffered a serious leg injury. And he's a

468
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Speaker 1: guy known for his speeds. The most terrible starting running

469
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Speaker 1: back in the league, he should get credit for that.

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Speaker 1: The longest starting streak of any running back of the

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Speaker 1: entire NFL is Chris Johnson. Very yeah, very fair. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, he's not running like the guy

473
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Speaker 1: who ran for two thousand yards and Wes you had

474
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Speaker 1: pointed out that a lot of that, some of his

475
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Speaker 1: indecisiveness and jittery nature, goes back to maybe bad habits

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Speaker 1: he's picked up playing behind some subpar lines. Yeah, there's

477
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Speaker 1: there was like a cottage industry of NFL analysts two

478
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Speaker 1: or three years ago trying to figure out what was

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Speaker 1: wrong with Chris Johnson, and most of them agreed that

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Speaker 1: he was hesitant at the line of scrimmage, didn't trust

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Speaker 1: his blocking, and I think a byproduct of that was

482
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Speaker 1: he was always trying to hit a home run and

483
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Speaker 1: would it take wouldn't lower his pads and just take

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Speaker 1: three yards? So I think that he go into that

485
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Speaker 1: bad habit and I'm not sure he ever got out there. So,

486
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Speaker 1: but playing off that, what about the idea if he

487
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Speaker 1: signs with a team that has an established run blocking

488
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Speaker 1: uh set up at offensive line and there's a good quarterback,

489
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Speaker 1: isn't the a potential guy that can go in and

490
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Speaker 1: have like a well not he's not a similar style,

491
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Speaker 1: but a Corey Dealon type resurgence with the right team.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. I think what bothers me

493
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Speaker 1: about him is maybe now he runs a four three

494
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Speaker 1: eight or a four four instead of four to eight.

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Speaker 1: It's not really straight line speed that bothers me. I

496
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Speaker 1: don't think he's latterly as quick as he was earlier

497
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Speaker 1: in his career. I don't think there's any chance that

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Speaker 1: he has that kind of resurgence because he doesn't make

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Speaker 1: people miss. He doesn't break tackles, like he said when

500
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Speaker 1: he when he gets hit, he's going down, and then

501
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Speaker 1: he doesn't make people miss. He's not a guy. I mean,

502
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Speaker 1: Matt Forte is not a fast guy, but he makes

503
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Speaker 1: people miss a lot more than Chris Johnson never does.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do better than a contract where

505
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Speaker 1: he's sharing the load with someone. What's interesting about him

506
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Speaker 1: is if you just started following the NFL in the

507
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Speaker 1: past three or four years, you don't remember that when

508
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Speaker 1: he came into the league out of East Carolina, I

509
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: knew a friend who watched tons of college football, and

510
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I trust this guy implicitly compared him to his skinnier

511
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Speaker 1: Marian Barber for his willingness to go into the middle

512
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Speaker 1: between the tackles, fight for every yard, and he's just

513
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Speaker 1: not that guy anymore. He's almost the opposite of that

514
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Speaker 1: now A right, moving on, there's another player that I

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Speaker 1: I put this one at Santonio Holmes, wide receiver for

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Obviously, he's been a nuisance for

517
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Speaker 1: the team since I thought these were big names. I

518
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe super Bowl on here, Yeah, I mean

519
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Speaker 1: this is yeah. This is a guy that was a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl m v P and was a major reason

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Speaker 1: the Jets made the a f C title game in

522
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Speaker 1: two thousand ten, but it's been all downhill from there

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Speaker 1: since then. He's turning thirty next month. The Jets will

524
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Speaker 1: celebrate and throw a party in Floren Park when the

525
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Speaker 1: receiver comes off the books and they cut him. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think we all agree he's gone. What kind of

527
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Speaker 1: market will he have? I would expect a one year deal,

528
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Speaker 1: prove it deal. Maybe he gets three million from somebody

529
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Speaker 1: who's desperate for a number to you, but I can't

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Speaker 1: see anybody committing to him long term after what he

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Speaker 1: put the Jets through. Kind of like Brandon Lloyd when

532
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Speaker 1: he had his final year with the Jets. At best,

533
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Speaker 1: but I could see him. Unlike Chris Johnson, I could

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Speaker 1: see Santonio Holmes getting his act together. I refrain there

535
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: from swearing getting his act together for a year and

536
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Speaker 1: having a great season, because he's only thirty and he's

537
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Speaker 1: so talented, and maybe he once he realizes that, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting any more big checks, or at least

539
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Speaker 1: as big as they used to be. Maybe some team

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Speaker 1: like the forty Niners could get him on a one year,

541
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Speaker 1: three million dollar deal and he'd have a great year.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't shock. How about I love Santonio Holmes as

543
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Speaker 1: a player I used to at least. How about the

544
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys? Who were they just they're gonna dump Miles Austin.

545
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Speaker 1: Most likely he's They could sign him on the cheap

546
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Speaker 1: line up across from Dez Bryan, doesn't have to worry

547
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Speaker 1: about double teams or anything. If he's healthy and motivated,

548
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Speaker 1: he could actually be a nice fit there. They're the

549
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Speaker 1: type of team that would go for him because I

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Speaker 1: cut Miles Austin just to sign Santonio home. Because Jerry

551
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Jones is prominently involved, I would bet that Miles Austin

552
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Speaker 1: has a better year than Santonio Holmes. I agree with

553
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: you with that line of thinking, But it does make sense.

554
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Speaker 1: It sounds like a guy that Cowboys would sign. Well,

555
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: it was only two or three off seasons ago that

556
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Speaker 1: NFL Films producer Greg Coseell was getting a lot of

557
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Speaker 1: flak for including Santonio Holmes and his top five NFL receivers.

558
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Speaker 1: By the way, it's NFL Films guru. He was. He

559
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: was an incredible player at his peak that I think

560
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Speaker 1: is almost oddly underrated in terms of the career he's

561
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Speaker 1: at in the talent that he has, but he's no

562
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Speaker 1: a lot. He hasn't been that guy for a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. Well, It's funny. When I was writing the

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Speaker 1: headline for this post or writing the intro, I was

565
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Speaker 1: gonna say these are five all pros, and then I

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Speaker 1: looked it up. The guy's never been to a Pro Bowl,

567
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: which is interesting. It's fair and ultimately meaning yeah, alright.

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Speaker 1: Moving on Terrell Suggs, outside linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Uh interesting case because he this was a guy that

570
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Speaker 1: had nine sacks through eight weeks coming off that achilles

571
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Speaker 1: injury um and he kind of looked like a guy

572
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: who's gonna be comeback player. Of the year, and then

573
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: the wheels kind of fell off in terms of productivity

574
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Speaker 1: at one sack and twenty tackles in the last eight weeks.

575
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Speaker 1: Kind of no show down the stretch. Uh, he's thirty one,

576
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: He's gonna count twelve point four million on the books

577
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: for another team with cap issues, and uh, we know

578
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Speaker 1: that general manager Ozzy knew some already acknowledged that Sucks

579
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Speaker 1: was no lock to return. I set this one at

580
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Speaker 1: because I think that Ozzy they'll work something out. What

581
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Speaker 1: do you guys think? This one's the most interesting one

582
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Speaker 1: to me because we don't know what happened in the

583
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Speaker 1: second half of last year that caused his production to

584
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Speaker 1: fall off. So precipitously think you better, but you know

585
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: better pronunciation, even because that's a tough one to roll out.

586
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Speaker 1: I was. I was going out on a limb there.

587
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if I'd be able to pull it off.

588
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Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of you for that. Thank you, alright.

589
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: You used more big words than anyone I know and

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Speaker 1: I and I respect that just naturally in a nice

591
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: sentence that comes from reading, which is fundamental. We went

592
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: off the rails because we wanted to praise, we turn

593
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: the podcast into an after school special exactly, all right,

594
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: go ahead, West Well, I think he's so respected on

595
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: the team, and after they lose Ed Reid and ray Lewis,

596
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: he's their leader, so that makes it tricky. But it's

597
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: one of those situations when a guy does fall off

598
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: the cliff like that. There are things that Ozzy Knewsom

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00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: and the Scouts know that we don't know, and if

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Speaker 1: he's talking about the possibility of cutting him, maybe they

601
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: believe he'll never get back to that form that he

602
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: showed before. I was really surprised when he threw that

603
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: out there at their State of the Raisins Ravens postseason

604
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: press conference, because usually those things you don't get a

605
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Speaker 1: lot of news, and he threw that out there for

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00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: a reason. It was to tell Tugs his agent or

607
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: tell the public to prepare them that, hey, if this

608
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: guy doesn't take a pay cut, he's not coming back.

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Speaker 1: You don't say that publicly unless you already have that

610
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Speaker 1: in your head that we need to restructure and we're

611
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: not comfortable bringing back this out. I'm surprised, but you

612
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: also trust that Ozzie Knewsome knows when to cut a

613
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: guy loose unless it's san Qua Bolden. That's fair. And

614
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: they had a lot of cap issues last year at

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Speaker 1: that point, and they basically decided to sign you know,

616
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Speaker 1: a handful of defensive players instead of instead of Bolden

617
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Speaker 1: and until maybe they're trying to escape some of that

618
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Speaker 1: cap problems. Now, moving on DeMarcus Ware, a defensive end

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, of course, where is once one of the

620
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Speaker 1: game's most fearsome pass rushers. But it's it feels like

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Speaker 1: these injuries of kind of taking their toll. He's he

622
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been the same guy, certainly not last year. He

623
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Speaker 1: had six sacks all season, completely disappeared down the stretches. Uh.

624
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: The Cowboys flopped again in December. Uh, He's due twelve

625
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: point to five million, and the Cowboys have some cap issues.

626
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Speaker 1: He could be a guy that if he doesn't restructure,

627
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Speaker 1: he could go right set this one at fifth they

628
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Speaker 1: were sent could go either white fellas. I'd be surprised

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Speaker 1: if Wear is cut, just because the Cowboys, the way

630
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Speaker 1: they operate, they keep their own, especially when they're stars.

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Speaker 1: I just would think that Jerry Jones just so attached

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Speaker 1: to de Marcus Ware that he wouldn't he wouldn't get

633
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Speaker 1: rid of him. This is this is the only one

634
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Speaker 1: that your way off. I'd give it five. There's no

635
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: chance he's gonna get cut. They're not gonna cut DeMarcus

636
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: where coming off one sort of injury plague season. He

637
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Speaker 1: says he doesn't want to take a pay cut and

638
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't expect to get caught, and he shouldn't. They

639
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: keep clowns well passed their expiration day. I mean they

640
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: they kept j Ratliff on the team last year after

641
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: he yelled at Jerry Jones and was injured the whole

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Speaker 1: season before and didn't play this season before, and they

643
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Speaker 1: changed schemes and they're still, well, we'll pay you six

644
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Speaker 1: million because you were once good once. There is no

645
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Speaker 1: way they would come. Does this play into I don't

646
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: care who said what. Does this play into the fact

647
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Speaker 1: that I am putting uh more are stock into the

648
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: idea of teams in salary cap dar rest than you do,

649
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Speaker 1: because you are very passionate that salary cap constraints are overrated,

650
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: and I just mentioned some salary cap issues for the Ravens.

651
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: For the most part, salary cap problems are the most overrated,

652
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: over talked about NFL topic of February in March, teams

653
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: can always get ways around it, and if teams are

654
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: willing to spend like the Cowboys and the Redskins and

655
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: pay more money up front, now, you can always just

656
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: keep pushing that pain into the future like you can

657
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: with mortgages and everything else, and they generally get away

658
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: with it. It's a factor, but it's not that big

659
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Speaker 1: of a fact. We can even go a step farther

660
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: and say that the best teams rarely even talk about

661
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: the salary cap, rarely make that excuse. The worst run

662
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: teams constantly bemoan there are a lot in life due

663
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: to the salary cap, and we'll never shut up about

664
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Speaker 1: it and salary cap even if you do have really

665
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Speaker 1: big problems, which are usually not that big. You know

666
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: who gets cut bad players, bad players that make a lot,

667
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Speaker 1: And I don't think DeMarcus Where would ever be put

668
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Speaker 1: in that category. Get the first half of last season

669
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Speaker 1: before he was injured. I heard a lot of analysts

670
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: say he's never looked faster on the football field than

671
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: he did before he was injured last year. I don't.

672
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Speaker 1: I don't think if he had the worst if he

673
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: had one sack and only played two games and was

674
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Speaker 1: way worse. I don't think they've cut him even then,

675
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: because he's DeMarcus where he's the best draft pick they've

676
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Speaker 1: had in the last fifteen years. Al Right, well, well, then,

677
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Speaker 1: last talk to me before writing that one. I wrote

678
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Speaker 1: it knowing you'd be angry. It would be beautiful, would

679
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: be like the podcast, a lot of debate, embrace, debate.

680
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Speaker 1: Last one, Julius Pepper's defensive in Chicago Bears. He going

681
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Speaker 1: Julius Peppers. By the way, it's thirty four years old,

682
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: also in decline and somehow, and this might be going

683
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Speaker 1: back to what you were saying about you could always

684
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Speaker 1: just push things back, push things back. I think this

685
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: might have been a restructure situation because he's doing eighteen

686
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: million this year. He's due fourteen million, but he counts

687
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: eighteen million against the and I think that's just the

688
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: way the contract was made, thinking that he'd never get

689
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: this far with the Bears. Well he has, and you

690
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: would think unless he restructures and takes half that amount

691
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: of money, he's gone. Right. The difference between DeMarcus DeMarcus

692
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Ware and Julie's Peppers is that where can still play

693
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: as well now as he ever has when he's healthy.

694
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Peppers cannot play as well now. He's not the same player.

695
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: He's not disruptive anymore. And that's the problem. You can't pay.

696
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: You can't devote eighteen million or your salary cap to

697
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: that player. He's still a good player, he's an NFL starter.

698
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: He'll get a contract. There's no way he's staying for

699
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: that money. We don't know if he's amenable to taking

700
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: a pay cut to stay. I've got a what if scenario.

701
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's gonna be awfully hard for the Panthers

702
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: to keep Greg Hardy at the franchise tag number or

703
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: pay him, pay him and Charles Johnson each over ten

704
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: million hours a year. Julius Pepper's homecoming to replace the

705
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: cracking and back with the you are firing up resident

706
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: Panthers fan David Eally do another set of those biceps.

707
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: He's loving this. The U n C product comes home

708
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: like pumps iron and listens to our podcast our editors downstairs.

709
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Panthers will set Greg Hardy free,

710
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: but this isn't a home run that they're definitely going

711
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: to resign him. Alright, I think Pepper is eight. Let's

712
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: go Yeah, yeah, Um, alright, so we will, yeah, says Greg,

713
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Speaker 1: alluded to, We're gonna be digging in hardcore on free

714
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Speaker 1: agent stuff because honestly, what else do we have to

715
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Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, that's a major aspect of this

716
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Speaker 1: time of the year, isn't it? Certainly? Alright? Moving on,

717
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Speaker 1: we talked about our offseason forecast. We're going through every

718
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: team and giving a little breakdown of what's changing, the

719
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: biggest needs, who could be out, what what's needed? Uh,

720
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Speaker 1: and a crystal ball where we're just really digging in. Man,

721
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Speaker 1: we do we do not shut it down here, we delve.

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Speaker 1: We delve. I shut it down last week at the

723
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Speaker 1: end of the week. We didn't see Greg. You were recharging,

724
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: but you are full of life and vitality right now,

725
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of good family time. I'm ready to go.

726
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: Should we start by getting our a t L compatriot,

727
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Speaker 1: Kevin Patron, the one little known that he's also our

728
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars corresponding a fate worse than death. He uh.

729
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: He penned our Jacksonville Jaguars off season forecast, and it

730
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Speaker 1: only seems right to have Kevin's thoughts in this. Kevin Patrick,

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Speaker 1: are you there? I am here, sir sire. Wow, Kevin Patrick,

732
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Speaker 1: we you know shocking. We didn't have a lot of

733
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Speaker 1: organization when it came to this uh offseason forecast. You

734
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: just on your on Saturday just decided to take it

735
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: upon yourself to just fall on the Jacksonville Jaguars grenade.

736
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Speaker 1: Why is this? I don't know. I just feel like

737
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Speaker 1: I wanted to pick a random team that I don't

738
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: usually look at and take a deeper look at. So

739
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: why don't you give us? Why don't you have us

740
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Speaker 1: a kind of an overview of glance at the Jaguars

741
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: as they once again um continue or begin a rebuilding process. Well,

742
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: they ended the season four and well after starting and

743
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: and I really thought that they had some progress on

744
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: the stretch. I think they have the right coach and

745
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley. I think he got a team with probably

746
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: the least amount of talent in the NFL to play

747
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: a little bit above their heads. Clearly, they need a quarterback.

748
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: They need to fix the quarterback situation. The offensive line,

749
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: especially in the interior, is an absolute mess. They need

750
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Speaker 1: pass rusher and they have a lot of needs a

751
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: team that will have fifty million dollars around there in

752
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: past space in the off season. They have a lot

753
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: of needs to fill. But I think they have the

754
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: right GM. I think they have the right coach. They

755
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: need the quarterback to get to move forward. Yeah, to me,

756
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: this all starts at the quarterback position. They obviously whipped

757
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: on Blamee Gabber and an epic uh on an epic level.

758
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: So now they have to hit on again. And when

759
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: you miss on a quarterback, it ends up setting a

760
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: franchise back, you know, three years, and I guess that's

761
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: how long they gave gab And now they're gonna take

762
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: another shot at this. That will be where they go

763
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: in the first round, right, I would think so, But

764
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Speaker 1: I really think it depends. I mean, if for some

765
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: reason that Jadeveon Clowny did follow them, I think that

766
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: would be in my Cities player and that would fill

767
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: another need for them. If they're not enamored. I mean

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Speaker 1: that would assume that Johnny man Gizell goes before them,

769
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Speaker 1: and they're not you know, sold on any of the

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. Uh. They've always they've talked about bringing chat

771
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: any back plows on the record multiple times saying they

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Speaker 1: want to talk to him before free agency about bringing

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Speaker 1: him back. To me, that tells me that maybe they

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00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: want him as another shop get here. If they try

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Speaker 1: to go to a more development developmental quarterback later in

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Speaker 1: the draft, someone maybe they think they can start right away,

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Speaker 1: but maybe cannot jump in. They can have another year

778
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Speaker 1: of stop get This isn't a team that I can

779
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: see making the playoffs next year, so they do have

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Speaker 1: another year work with what are the other big It's

781
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: tricky to have multiple stop multiple years where you're not

782
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: really going for a quarterback. This is this group set year.

783
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Speaker 1: So they didn't draft Gabber and they were patient last

784
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: year and decided not to really dip into the quarterback pool.

785
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: Let's build up the rest of the team first. That

786
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: was the Seattle mindset before really jumping on the quarterback.

787
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: But at some point you you gotta go for and

788
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: they're up at the top of the drip. Another year

789
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: of Henny and like a third round pick at quarterback.

790
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine. Yeah it is, but and and

791
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: the owner is on on record is saying Chatkan is

792
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: saying they'll take one or two and then called will

793
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: kind of be like, well, we don't know about that,

794
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: So I think they're they're heading their best. Well what

795
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: about so obviously the quarterback is the highest profile UM need.

796
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: But what is the other area of the team that

797
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: you think they really need to push hard to address? Well,

798
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: like I said, I've think the interior offensive line. Uh,

799
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Speaker 1: They're two guards were awful. Um there's there. Center Meester

800
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: is retiring after eighteen years with the organization. I think

801
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: that is key because especially if they're bringing young quarterbacks,

802
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: you don't want them to a pressure up the middle

803
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: of the worst for any quarterback, and especially young quarterback. Well,

804
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: you you went through like we do in all these forecasts.

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00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: You know who are the big free agents and who

806
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: could get cut? And the big free agents were Chad

807
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: Henny and Maurice Jones, Drew. There was just not and

808
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: you know Will Blackman is there too, is the other

809
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: key free agents. You know with the Steelers, I had

810
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: a hard time boiling it down to just four or

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Speaker 1: five in the big section, and then I had seven

812
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: or eight in the other key and you just have

813
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: poor Will Blackman all by himself. You don't even want

814
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: to give the others, but I must trying to be like,

815
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, really, the I couldn't even lie to myself

816
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: about of them being the big I mean the guys

817
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: that played one snap on their friedge patro was thinking

818
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: of putting Keenan McCardell on the list, just to beef

819
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. See if anybody was reading.

820
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Will Blackman was signed off the street on August thirty

821
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Speaker 1: one of last summer, right, and then their second best

822
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: defensive player in the secondary. Seriously, that's a positive. If

823
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: they want to get Henny back, they can bring them back,

824
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: and they can sign another quarterback there. They basically aren't

825
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: losing anyone this offseason except for Jones Drew. Potentially Jason

826
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Babin is the other person that has a big name.

827
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: Him and Gabber as potential guys that could get cut.

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00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Both of those make a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Here's the Jaguars in a nutshell. I spent a good

830
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: portion of my weekend looking at how all thirty two

831
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL were built. Where where are these people?

832
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: And the rosters come from the Jaguars, by the way,

833
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: That's why West is a great higher sentence that just unfurled.

834
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: The Jaguars have by far, the most players in the

835
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: roster claimed off waivers, signed off another team's practice squad,

836
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: or signed off the street in August or during the season.

837
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: That composes more than half their roster. That's good that

838
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: that means at least you're not losing anyone that you want.

839
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: It means that poor David Coldwell was left with nothing

840
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: by Jean Smith. But he knew that coming in this

841
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: that was that was the catch of taking this job.

842
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: All right, when you Patrick before we let you go

843
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: offseason crystal ball time, what do you see happening? How

844
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: is it going to play out for the Jags? Well,

845
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: I do think Maurice Jones removes on Cal Wills than

846
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: h Send. Multiple times he'd let him hit free agency.

847
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: You don't do that if you're gonna try to keep

848
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: your best player. I think Jordan's Tottenman is a restrict

849
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: not a restrict exclusive rise free agent, so they get

850
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: a cheaper running back there. Uh, And I think they start.

851
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: I think they'd come out a little bit aggressive. I

852
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: think he tries to get depths as opposed to the

853
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: grit that's talent out there to pay Hi. They have

854
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: so many needs. But I think they do have cap space.

855
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: That's the one benefit that he's gotten the call asthm

856
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: in position. They have do have cap space this year. Yeah,

857
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: but how does cap space enough to lower impact free agence?

858
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: Does anybody want to go to Jacksonville? Doesn't matter. Just

859
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: people are dying to play with Chad Hanney. Just pay him.

860
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: You pay him three hundred thousand dollars more than the

861
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: other team players go in there. No one cares, not me.

862
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: They should think about it though. Uh, Kevin Patrick coming

863
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: at you. We'll be in touch with you all off season. Really,

864
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: but it's great to hear your voice. You sound really

865
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: really good. I appreciate it. Uh, do we want to

866
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: do another one before we go? Sure? One more? Alright? Greg,

867
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: you actually just posted this on the Around the League

868
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: blog before uh, you came upstairs. The Pittsburgh Steelers, So

869
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: why don't we We gave the Jags a respect they deserved.

870
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: They're one of the thirty two, and that just shows

871
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: again how well rounded we are as a podcast. We're

872
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: giving the Jacks so much credit. We start with them,

873
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: and now we go to a dynasty level franchise in

874
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Greg, give us an overview

875
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: of what's going on with the UH steel Men. I

876
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: think it's a really fascinating team to watch this offseason

877
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: and a fascinating time for this franchise because GM Kevin

878
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Colvert has been there forever, Mike Tomlins one of Super

879
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Bowl has been to another. But how many more of

880
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: these non playoff seasons can the Rooneys abide by before

881
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: they start shaking some things up for making some big

882
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: chain just and this roster, which used to look so good,

883
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: I think has more problems than it has had in

884
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: Colbert's entire run. Their entire defense has major questions up

885
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: and down. They also need some wide receivers. I think

886
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: they have a lot of problems and it's gonna be

887
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: a very active Obviously, they have big decisions to make

888
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: everywhere on this roster. We talked about this last Thursday

889
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: about their defense that they could they could be losing

890
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: Paulo Malo, Ryan Clark, like Taylor Brett Keyesel guys who

891
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: have been there basically for a decade, and they don't

892
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: have anybody in line to replace those guys. And Lamar Woodley,

893
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: who has been a huge disappointment, is do a lot

894
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: of money. Jason Worlds, who is probably their most explosive

895
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: defensive player in the second half last year. He's a

896
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: free agent. Some of their good players are free agents.

897
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders, who was a starter, not a great player,

898
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: but a starter. Jason World's a free agent. Clark. Ryan

899
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: Clark is as good as gone. They're not going to

900
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: resign him. Then you mentioned all those guys that maybe

901
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: they'll cut. Taylor is a guy. I think they'll definitely

902
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: cut Troy Polamalo. I think they'll keep him, and then Woodley,

903
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: And it's just there's a lot of needs here, and

904
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: it's not a franchise that's used to signing quick fixes,

905
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: and yet they have about seven starting spots just up

906
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: for grabs. You say, Troy Polamalo, they keeping him as

907
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: a mascot at this point, isn't he should respect him?

908
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: He's a great commercial actor. But I mean, at what

909
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: point do we just cut the cord and say, Troy,

910
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: you were a great player for us, but you're not

911
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: the same guy. Okay, he had a good year list year.

912
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he was exposed in coverage a few times,

913
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: but that happened four years ago. He is gonna be

914
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: paid eight point to five million he wasn't a bad

915
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: starting NFL player last year, and he's pala Mallow kind

916
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: of like DeMarcus where you better have a big reason

917
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: to cut him. I think when I think it was

918
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: Art Rooney said we plan to have Troy Polamalo on

919
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the team. We expect him to be on the team.

920
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: He sound like they're gonna maybe extend his contract and

921
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: reduce his average number, restructure, do something. I think you'll

922
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: stick around. I mean, he's okay, where's Jarvis Jones and

923
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: all this because I know Jason World's you know they

924
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: were high on Jones. They drafted him high. Jason World

925
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the stop gap until Jones is ready,

926
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: and now they might want to keep him around. It

927
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Jones just not progress as a rookie. Well that we

928
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: see this every year. Jones actually played more than most

929
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: Dick Lebo draft picks. Usually first rounders for the Steelers

930
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: have a red shirt gear and then come in their

931
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: second year, and I think they they fully expect him

932
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: to start opposite either Worlds or Woodley, depending if Woodley's

933
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: cut and World is resigned, They'll keep one of those guys.

934
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting decision that they either have to

935
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: keep Woodley, who at his best is a top ten

936
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but that hasn't happened really since he got

937
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: his money. There's questions about his conditioning or do they

938
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: cut him not really save that much money against the

939
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: cap because he had so much guaranteed money. It's not

940
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: going to say them much and signed Worlds. It'd be

941
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: a gutsy move that they really feel like Worlds as

942
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: the guy. But when Woodley came back into the lineup

943
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: last year, they didn't change Worlds as position. They put

944
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Woodley on the other side. They gave Worlds the left side,

945
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: which is where would they had been. He played great.

946
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean that was a sign of faith to him.

947
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's quite the conundrum because Worlds really never

948
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: played up to his draft status until the second half

949
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: of last year. So until his contract year run, he

950
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: never did anything. We getting deep on the A t

951
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: L podcast Little Tason World's discussion, m Greg what is

952
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: the what is like? What are the biggest needs for

953
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: this team to improve? It's mostly on defense, which is weird.

954
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: They are gonna lose to defensive ends. Ziggie Hood and

955
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: Brett Keisel are both free agents that they can sign

956
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 1: Keisel if they want for a short one year deal,

957
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: but he's not a starter anymore. They could use to

958
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: defensive ends two or three. They're not really sure what

959
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: they have at outside linebacker. We just act about it

960
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. I don't know if they're fully comfortable with

961
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: both their starters the secondary. I really think the entire

962
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: defense needs help, and then they need a wide receiver.

963
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders and Jericho Cattre there two and three from

964
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: last year, are both free agents. I think Sanders will

965
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: probably leave. You bring back Catre for cheap. You let

966
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Wheat and start. The problem with this team has

967
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: been they haven't been developing guys like they used to.

968
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: I think maybe this team, more than any other in

969
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: the league, the draft this year could determine whether they

970
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: continue to be the solid Steelers or go down the drain,

971
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: because they really need to replenish the entire defense. They

972
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: need to hit on three or four draft picks this

973
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: year that who who becomes starters and impact players. And

974
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: I think they did a fine job in last year's draft.

975
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: They just have to kind of continue that. And Greg,

976
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I like that you didn't even entertain in your forecast

977
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: the thought of a Ben Roethlisberger trade. Oh stop. I

978
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that because sign do that could because there will

979
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: be forecasts of similar around the internet that will at

980
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: least discuss that because it has come up and we've

981
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: reported our building that that was something that was in

982
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: the cards. I ended the forecast with in Roethlisberger, we trust.

983
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: If this team has a chance, it's not because of

984
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: their fifty three man roster. It's maybe they can plug

985
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: enough holes, make enough smart decisions, have a good draft,

986
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: Ben gets hot, and they win eleven games. I mean

987
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: that you have a chance to do that when you

988
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: have that good a quarterback. They went eight and four

989
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: in their final twelve games this year. Crystal Ball, Greg,

990
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: I am getting rid of Ryan Clark. Uh, that's not

991
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: a tough one to do. Ike Taylor I think will

992
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: be cut. Emmanuel Sanders, I think signs elsewhere. I think

993
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Jason World signs elsewhere. If if Paul Krueger can get

994
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: that big of a contract, so can Jason worlds. I mean,

995
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: he could hold on. Why not? He's not? He could

996
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: get something close? Why not? What did Paul Krueger ever

997
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: do that Jason World hasn't done? He had a happy season.

998
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Uh took his team to the super Bowl. Well, if

999
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: if the Steelers had made the playoffs, maybe it would

1000
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: have been Jason world The topic set Malcolm Smith. Nice

1001
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: out of the chair. That's a that's an absurd chair outer.

1002
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: Do you like Jason Worlds more than his agent does?

1003
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't really like. I don't really love Worlds that much,

1004
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: I think, And we can we can talk about this,

1005
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: maybe we'll maybe we'll just have a friendly gentleman's lunch

1006
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: on that World's will get of what Krueger gets. So

1007
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm already in on that one. All right, Okay, that's

1008
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: been back to the crystal ball World's walks. I think

1009
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: they give Woodley another shot because he's so talented. They

1010
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: just decided to keep him. He doesn't even necessarily have

1011
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut to stay, or they work

1012
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: out a small pay cut. He stays. Catry comes back,

1013
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: Paula Malloo comes back, everyone's happy. Marcus Wheaton breakout there,

1014
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: you go? All right? All right? So that's it for

1015
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: Monday's edition of The Round the League. Round the League

1016
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: podcast will be back on Wednesday and then again on Friday. Yes,

1017
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: we go three times a week. All through the off season,

1018
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: even in February. Um, Greg, we have some guests in

1019
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: studio on Wednesday, Is that correct? Yeah, I'm gonna feel

1020
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: like a smaller man than I normally do. With Red

1021
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: Bryant and Brandon Mebane, the two Red Bryant's one of

1022
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: the biggest players in the NFL and Mebane is not

1023
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: far behind. They're in the studio. Should be fun. It's

1024
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: always good when we have human beings in the studio

1025
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: with us. And then on Friday, Uh, when West's toaster

1026
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: will return or I hope it returns the gold standard.

1027
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: What's going on? How are we getting some good potential contestants.

1028
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: We've got a nice search going on. I'm bringing it

1029
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: to the committee and uh, well, you know, get it

1030
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: down to a solid candidate. Committee. Is this this is

1031
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: what we pay you for? It's subcommittee? Yeah, it's capitalism.

1032
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: Greg West. After your dominant performance our last go around

1033
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: a couple of months back, you seem to be not

1034
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: to have a care in the world, a man that

1035
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: just at the top of his game, like Michael Jordan, Right,

1036
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like Michael Jordan a little bit

1037
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: like Alexander the Great. You conquer the world and you

1038
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: have to sit down and cry because there's nothing left

1039
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: to conquer. That's how I feel about the toaster. Your

1040
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll the day after the Super Bowl comparing the

1041
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: Broncos to his opponents at USC. That was amazing. I

1042
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone saw that. He was like reminding

1043
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: me in my USC days. I was like, wow, I

1044
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: don't know. That's there's some there's some pride right there. Buddy.

1045
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: You might be Michael Mike Tyson and the Tokyo Dome.

1046
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Are you saying that there's Hubris here? There could be. Yes,

1047
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: there could be a Buster Douglas waiting to take you on.

1048
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see. So that will be Friday.

1049
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: So get excited. Greg not excited about that, but he

1050
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: might be coming around on the game a little bit.

1051
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I get it. I get a vibe. It's okay. I mean,

1052
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: it's the off season, so we can put in some

1053
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: of this clown. Is he all right? That's it. We're

1054
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: getting out of here. We'll be back on Wednesday. Signing

1055
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: off Dan hands for the Mailman, the Boss, the gold

1056
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Standard behind the Glass and hands a pack the Victorious

1057
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: Deal Peck until Wednesday