WEBVTT - Seriously, What Is Dark Matter?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey you, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Charles w. Chuck, Bryan, there's Jerry, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to try some physics. Oh yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know. We're about to try some food. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this did not break my brain like I thought it would. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a pretty surface level explanation, but like

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<v Speaker 1>it gets the point across, and I don't see any

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<v Speaker 1>reason for us to try to go any deeper. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're very quickly spin out of control, like a

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<v Speaker 1>up down cork or something. Yeah. So dark matter is

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<v Speaker 1>invisible glue that holds everything together the end, the end.

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't know what it is. No, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>guess is the full name probably or not, who cares,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just it's a stuff you should know episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you, Me and Jerry but over the years of

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't feel right. So what we did was spin

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<v Speaker 1>off like a new podcast called short Stuff, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just a smaller sized episode of stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because the topic wasn't quite big enough to warn

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<v Speaker 1>a full episode or a large size episode, we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a small size episode. Yeah, so look for like ten

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen minutes tops. I think we're in the wheelhouse

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<v Speaker 1>of about twelve minutes. We seem to like magically hit

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<v Speaker 1>twelve every time. Yeah, and it's like it's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's a great idea. I'm really happy

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<v Speaker 1>it yet, And I don't believe we went to the

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<v Speaker 1>just shrugged. No, she said, now, she said, that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So physics dark matter go, let's do this,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? So this wasn't as hard as I thought. No,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually pretty easy to get across. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So astronomers have gotten to the point it's starting in

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<v Speaker 1>about on astronomers and physicists and astrophysicists and even particle

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<v Speaker 1>physicists guys to the point where all of their combined

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge was refined enough that they could look out into

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<v Speaker 1>the universe and be like, we can figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>much this ways, to put it more scientifically, we can

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what the mass of the universe is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to take us a really long time, but we

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<v Speaker 1>are now at the point where our level of observation

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<v Speaker 1>and our level of understanding of physics is such that

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<v Speaker 1>we can do it. We're there now. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like, oh, well that weighs this the end,

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<v Speaker 1>Like knowing something's mass tells you a lot about it,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it behaves and the nature and future of

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<v Speaker 1>the universes we'll see, yeah for sure. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just weight, it's it's more complicated than that, and what

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<v Speaker 1>weight can tell us, right. The problem is that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just like put a galaxy or star or something

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<v Speaker 1>on the scale. They have to broke the scale pretty quick. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually vaporized it. But the the there are ways

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<v Speaker 1>you can infer the mass of something. Yeah. Um. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that you can infer the mass of

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<v Speaker 1>a star from what I understand is to measure it's luminosity,

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<v Speaker 1>how bright it is. Yeah, I've also heard that's a

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<v Speaker 1>mixed bag because they have different um different sizes in

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<v Speaker 1>their lifespan. Um, I've just heard luminosity and mass is

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<v Speaker 1>not is not just straightforward like like most things in

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<v Speaker 1>astro physics are. Yeah, that's the word on the street right. So. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>When they started getting to the point where where they

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<v Speaker 1>could infer the weight of a star, or of a

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<v Speaker 1>galaxy or of a galaxy cluster, which is basically like

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<v Speaker 1>a galaxy of galaxies, they started to notice something really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the matter that they could see, the stars,

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<v Speaker 1>the gas clouds, the cosmic dust, the everything, matter, things

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<v Speaker 1>that make up you and me, things that everything has

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<v Speaker 1>a common basic unit and atom that's made up of

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<v Speaker 1>elementary particles like protons and neutrons and electrons. Matter, Every

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<v Speaker 1>non living and living thing on in the galaxy you

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<v Speaker 1>would think is made of matter. The problem is is

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<v Speaker 1>they started finding that, you know, this galaxy over here,

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<v Speaker 1>in this galaxy cluster and everywhere we're looking, the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of matter that we're seeing is way too small for

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of mass that the thing we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>appears to have and a cosmological mystery was launched. What

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<v Speaker 1>the heck is going on? Was the question of the day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so all that matter that we know about, they call

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<v Speaker 1>that barrionic matter. Uh. And they were like this, the

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<v Speaker 1>calculations are off or something like, there's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>something else there to account for this. Well, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>to the two possibilities. Well. Uh, and so way back

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<v Speaker 1>in uh geez was at nineteen thirty two an astronomer,

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<v Speaker 1>a Dutch astronomer named Jan hendrik Ert because he's Dutch,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually I believe was the first person to use

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<v Speaker 1>the term dark matter. Is that right? That's what I saw?

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<v Speaker 1>So dark matter is a is a sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>placeholder name for what they came up with for this,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, this invisible uh matter

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<v Speaker 1>that has to be out there is it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like wind, Like you can't see wind, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's not out there because you can measure it

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<v Speaker 1>in different ways, see how it reacts on other things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they called started calling it dark matter. This

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<v Speaker 1>in sable. Well we'll talk about what it ends up

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<v Speaker 1>sort of looking like in a minute. I want give

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<v Speaker 1>that away yet. But this invisible matter that they think

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<v Speaker 1>is there, right, but it doesn't. It doesn't emit or

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<v Speaker 1>absorb light or electromagnetic magnetic energy. So it's it's way different.

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<v Speaker 1>It behaves differently such that people were very confused as

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<v Speaker 1>to what the heck was going on, and they still are. Yeah. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's so this term dark matter, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a placeholder, and it's a placeholder for the current

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<v Speaker 1>point we are in our understanding of the universe, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when we look out at galaxy clusters and galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff, there's not enough matter to account

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<v Speaker 1>for the amount of mass that we're seeing. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>that means one of two things. Either there's something there

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't detect, or our our understanding of physics

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<v Speaker 1>is off, and the term dark matter stands for both

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<v Speaker 1>of those. It could be a thing, an underscovered particle

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, or it could be a misunderstanding

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<v Speaker 1>of physics that we need to eventually correct. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of mass that is unaccounted for throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, and it seems like there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>what we call dark matter then there's regular matter. And

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<v Speaker 1>the more we look into it, the more it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there's something there that we haven't discovered yet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So right now, barrionic matter, all the stuff that we

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<v Speaker 1>know about counts for about four and a half percent. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>where they peg dark matter. Then we have something that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I ever want to cover,

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<v Speaker 1>called dark energy, which makes up the other SEV. But

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<v Speaker 1>they know it's there because there's something out there that

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<v Speaker 1>we can account for that has a significant gravitational force. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the whole the whole thing started where they

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<v Speaker 1>first detected it. Right, so, um, when they first started

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<v Speaker 1>looking out at galaxies and stuff like that. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing that Newton came up with the second law

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<v Speaker 1>of motion where and this is like a tried and

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<v Speaker 1>true law. It's a law. This isn't Newton's suggestion of

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<v Speaker 1>motion or Newton's second what about this of motion? It's

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<v Speaker 1>a scientific law. That's how that's has proven and accepted

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<v Speaker 1>as a scientific observation can be is to be made

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<v Speaker 1>a law. And it said that when you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a galaxy far far away, and the most of the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is accumulated towards the center of the galaxy, then

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<v Speaker 1>that means most of the mass is accumulated towards the center. Okay, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that the stars near the center are

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<v Speaker 1>going to spin. They're going to rotate around the galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>a lot faster than the ones on the fringes, because

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<v Speaker 1>the ones on the fringes are going to go a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more slowly because they're further away from that center

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<v Speaker 1>of mass. So the gravitational pull is going to be weaker. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the easy ist way to say it

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<v Speaker 1>is in the center, you have more mass. More mass

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<v Speaker 1>means things are spinning faster, there's more gravitational pull. So

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<v Speaker 1>all the astronomers supposed, like you said, the stuff on

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<v Speaker 1>the outskirts are probably hanging out there spinning a lot slower, right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when they looked, they found that's not the case at all.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, the stars on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>are spinning around the center of the galaxy just as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as the stars near the center of the galaxy,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes zero sense. Yeah, it's almost as if there's

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<v Speaker 1>some invisible force out there, right Like if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at this, if you look at this um this galaxy.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation that they started to find and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just one galaxy. They found it in this galaxy too,

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<v Speaker 1>in this galaxy too, and even stranger than that, they

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<v Speaker 1>found it in those clusters, those galactic clusters. So rather

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<v Speaker 1>than stars that make up a galaxy, this is galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>making up a huge, giant mega galaxy. The same thing

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<v Speaker 1>happened the galaxies on the outer edge of the cluster.

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<v Speaker 1>We're circling just as fast as the ones towards the center,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just must have knocked their socks off. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine how many times they went over the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing to make sure that they had gotten it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is for uh clarity. This was the nineteen fifties and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties when the yeah, okay, so what they figured

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<v Speaker 1>out was that either there was something really wrong or

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<v Speaker 1>there was something that they hadn't picked up yet. Because

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<v Speaker 1>those stars on the outer edges of the galaxy, or

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<v Speaker 1>those galaxies on the outer edges of the cluster, for

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as they were flying they should have spun

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<v Speaker 1>off into space. There was something missing that explained what

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<v Speaker 1>was holding that galaxy or that cluster together as fast

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<v Speaker 1>as the stars of the galaxies were spinning around on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. That was the first clue that something was

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<v Speaker 1>way up with that, that that that astronomy was missing

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<v Speaker 1>something big, right, And they knew this was off because

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<v Speaker 1>they had been using luminosity, like you said, to take

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<v Speaker 1>measurements for years and it was pretty good. But then

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<v Speaker 1>when they started, uh, measuring the rotational velocity of things,

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<v Speaker 1>like how fast something was spinning in relation to where

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<v Speaker 1>it was like towards the center, it, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a missing ingredient there that didn't match whatever

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<v Speaker 1>these luminosity readings were showing. So you're right, luminosity was

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<v Speaker 1>clue one. The um angular rotation was or acceleration of

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<v Speaker 1>the outer stars was clue number two. So now we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to two different ways of measuring the mass and

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<v Speaker 1>gravity of remote bodies in the universe, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>align our point. Well, they're they're aligning in that there's

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<v Speaker 1>something missing here um. And I think that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good cliffhanger for a breakdown too. I think people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like, what, Yeah, well, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>guys go listen to the first half of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>or first part again and we'll see you after these messages.

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope we're putting this like well, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we are, but sometimes you know, you just can't tell. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't the sun re ducks. Oh god, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is much more simple. So, uh, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>they not only studied regular galaxies, but they started to

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<v Speaker 1>study what what you referred to as and you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make it up, but galactic clusters. These knots of galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>could be thousands of them, could be hundreds of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were bound together by gravity. And they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let's study these because maybe what we

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<v Speaker 1>can find or you know, this is what we suppose

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<v Speaker 1>at least, is there might be be these big giant

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<v Speaker 1>pools of hot gas that we never could detect before

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<v Speaker 1>and that would account for all of this mass. And

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<v Speaker 1>they did find these superheated gas clouds and we're like, great,

0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that's it. But they're like, it still doesn't account for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like a small percentage of of the of what's

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<v Speaker 1>what is needs to be accounted for. Right, So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a it was a breakthrough, but it wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>solution solver that they were looking for. It was because

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<v Speaker 1>so if you can find, um, you know, something that

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<v Speaker 1>we know has mass, like huge clouds of gas. That again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, particle has mass, and if you put enough

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<v Speaker 1>particles together, it has a lot of mass. If you

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<v Speaker 1>could fill in the blanks of the missing matter, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that explains the mass of this thing you're looking at, great,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it's something we already know about, like hot gas.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did find some hot guests. But say that

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<v Speaker 1>that explained five of the missing of the missing mass.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't explain everything. And what that did do also was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten that much more sophisticated and it still hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>answered this dark matter thing. It's pointing to the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that there's something we haven't discovered yet that is accounting

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<v Speaker 1>for all of this. It's very foreboding, it is, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also I think very exciting. Sure yeah, yeah for them,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and us. So the other thing that happened when

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<v Speaker 1>they started studying these galactic clusters was that they found

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<v Speaker 1>out that these clusters and superclusters can and this is

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<v Speaker 1>really neat. You can look up images of this. It

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<v Speaker 1>can distort space time because their mass is so great.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're on planet Earth, uh, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>a light so you're looking from like a telescope on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at a distant light, like who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>far away, like a star three billion light years away?

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds great. In between mean you and that is a

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<v Speaker 1>galactic cluster. Let's say that will just that will act

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<v Speaker 1>as a lens, and depending on where it's situated to

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<v Speaker 1>where you are relative on Earth, it will distort that

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<v Speaker 1>light uh into one of several things. If you're in

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<v Speaker 1>perfect alignment in it, uh, it's gonna form what's known

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<v Speaker 1>as an Einstein ring. And if you look it up

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, it's like this beautiful like circle of light. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really cool looking. Uh. It could be elliptical or oblong.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it the Einstein cross basically splits it into

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<v Speaker 1>four so it just looks like four little stars, all

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<v Speaker 1>like perfectly lined four copies of the same image. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like a cross, yeah, perfect cross. Or it could

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<v Speaker 1>be a cluster. And this one is sort of cool

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's like kind of scattered. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of like arcs and banana shaped arcs and arklets.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's all different versions of the same image that

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing. And what you're seeing is that far away star,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're seeing it through that galaxy cluster that is

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<v Speaker 1>a distortion of spacetime that the the mass of these

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<v Speaker 1>clusters are so big and so huge that the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>in them bends light, just like a mound of glass

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<v Speaker 1>can bend light. Same thing. Now we've gotten to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where we are so good at math and physics

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<v Speaker 1>that we can look at that reflection that bend and

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<v Speaker 1>say this, this galaxy has that much gravity, and since

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<v Speaker 1>this galaxy um has this much gravity, it must have

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<v Speaker 1>this much mass. Now if you take that number, this

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<v Speaker 1>much mass, and you examine the luminosity of the galaxy, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, this is like not off by you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the luminosity is ten, but the mass is ten

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<v Speaker 1>and a half. There's like factors sometimes factors of of

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<v Speaker 1>like times a hundred. Sometimes like there's just no way

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<v Speaker 1>that your math is off. It's it's there's a huge discrepancy.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a third clue that there's something missing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's basically all these are are little hints

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<v Speaker 1>along the way that we're still not able to account

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<v Speaker 1>for something with our calculation. Yeah, and rather than the

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<v Speaker 1>better and more sophisticated our observations and exploration of space

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe becomes it doesn't become like this. This

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<v Speaker 1>blank is not getting filled in. It's just becoming clear

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<v Speaker 1>and clear that that blank is there. Yeah, exactly, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a void in either our understanding or our discovery. So

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<v Speaker 1>then computers started getting better and better and more advanced.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how this, uh this article puts it. They

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<v Speaker 1>turned to the computer. It sounds like they turned to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottle or something to compute. Uh. So computer started

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<v Speaker 1>getting so good, and our knowledge of what was out

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<v Speaker 1>there and our measurements of matter and mass was so

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<v Speaker 1>great that we could take a pretty good guess on

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<v Speaker 1>how much baryonic matter there was out there, maybe how

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<v Speaker 1>much dark matter there might be. Design a program and

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<v Speaker 1>a model that you could feed this information into to

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<v Speaker 1>spit out what it might quote look like end quote. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They basically said, this is how much barionic matter we

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<v Speaker 1>think there's. This is how much dark matter we think

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<v Speaker 1>there is. Go computer, and they hit start on the

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<v Speaker 1>Whopper machine, and it spit out what was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a It turns out that it wasn't on the edges.

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<v Speaker 1>It was everywhere. It was like a web that wound

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<v Speaker 1>through everything invisible to us. That sort of acted like

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<v Speaker 1>this cosmic glue. Yeah, and so in some places it clumped.

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<v Speaker 1>In other places there were long filaments and it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of looked like it had galaxies or galactic clusters trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in a spider's web. But it just permeated everywhere. And

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it seemed to be like this cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>glue or cosmic connective tissue um, and it was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>so prizing. So they said, okay, well that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>computers take see if we can replicate that. And that

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off a series of projects that are still going

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<v Speaker 1>on today to map dark matter in the universe, which

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<v Speaker 1>I want everybody to stop for a second, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is about as nuts as it gets. They have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>to the level of sophistication where astrophysicists are mapping in

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<v Speaker 1>three D models stuff that isn't there. They're mapping three

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<v Speaker 1>D models avoids based on how how much light bends

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<v Speaker 1>around a galaxy three billion miles light years away light

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<v Speaker 1>years right, and then using that to infer the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>and then the mass, and then they're using that information

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<v Speaker 1>to create a three D map of something that may

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<v Speaker 1>not exist. And the coolest thing about all this to

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<v Speaker 1>me is it's based on stuff that Isaac Newton and

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein came up with, and well, well we won't spoil it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they weren't wrong. But that is nuts. This is

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<v Speaker 1>either either physics has gone totally insane, yeah, or this

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<v Speaker 1>is the pinnacle of human ingenuity. Thus far, well, thus

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<v Speaker 1>far for sure. I'm glad you added that. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a couple of these. About seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eleven, there were a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>teams using data from uh Schandra's X ray observatory. And

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<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to do here, like you said, is

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<v Speaker 1>take these create this real map based on direct observation

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<v Speaker 1>instead of this speculative computer map. What they found out

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<v Speaker 1>is the computer map was pretty on, which was great, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they needed the real things. So they are looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a cluster or have been called a bell three

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<v Speaker 1>three two point three billion light years from Earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>what they saw was what looks like sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>football and American football, we're a n Ausi football for

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<v Speaker 1>that matter. Are they similar? I just got one in

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<v Speaker 1>the mail. I bought one. You need to get Simon

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<v Speaker 1>to sign it, go Melbourne. I should, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>coust so much to ship it there and back maybe

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<v Speaker 1>able to see Simon again one day. Is Melbourne your team? Now? Yeah,

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that's what I got on. That's that's a good city. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it so. Uh it looks like a football

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<v Speaker 1>with one end pointing towards us or you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're on Earth, so we're the observer in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh they Here's the one thing they didn't agree

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<v Speaker 1>on though, was the density of the dark matter on

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<v Speaker 1>able three in the center. Yeah, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 1>some people calculated it was more dense in the center

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<v Speaker 1>and matter increase, and other people said it was the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>not like, well, we're not sure, but they thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was uh less dark matter at the center, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. But they yes, but they both came

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<v Speaker 1>up with virtually the same shape and same orientation. Yeah,

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:05.159
<v Speaker 1>separately and independently, which showed we're onto something or else. Again,

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 1>we're all collectively out of our minds based on some

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>shared delusion that we're all working under. Right. Then there

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<v Speaker 1>was another one. This one is super cool. Uh in

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<v Speaker 1>January two thousand twelve. Uh, anytime I see international team

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<v Speaker 1>of researchers, I get excited. But the Canada, France Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>telescope has a three forty megapixel camera, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually take pictures of stuff that far away. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone Excess camera. Is that one of the new ones? Yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>is it good. I think it's pretty good camera. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not three forty megapixel. No, it's not. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say I've been to this observatory before. Oh really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. Did you look at like the photos on

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<v Speaker 1>display and stuff. No? No, they had like telescopes that

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<v Speaker 1>you walked around and looked out into the universe and

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. Did they let you take pictures? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so with your phone? Oh I thought you meant,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean with the me I'm probably. I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 1>were taking picture the US or anything. But what's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>is it's on Hawaii, so it's just hot and muggy

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<v Speaker 1>and humid, and then you drive up this mountain and

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you're like freezing in another face coat with like a

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<v Speaker 1>hat on, and then you just go back down the

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>mountain and in Hawaii. Again, it's very very cool experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they did here was basically stitched all these

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<v Speaker 1>photos together. It was like photos of ten million galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>and four different regions over five years, stitched it all together,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they finished up with was basically saying that

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<v Speaker 1>computer model was pretty on target because what this looks

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<v Speaker 1>like is what it's spit out so many years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're they're they're definitely onto something. It seems like,

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<v Speaker 1>should we take another break? Yes, all right, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what dark matter is. Hint, we don't know. Alright, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, which is where I start to get a

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<v Speaker 1>little like brain breaking. I understood all that stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is where I was like, what, well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>transferring from astrophysics to particle physics. Maybe that's my hang up,

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And particle physics is hard. I actually had to teach

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<v Speaker 1>myself particle physics to UM write one episode of UM

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<v Speaker 1>The End of the World. Maybe that's my problem. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's and even still I'm like, wait, what there's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to understand. Yeah, I've always been an astrophysicist,

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>though at heart I think so that's just goes against

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 1>my nature. Okay, I'm with you. But they're they're very

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<v Speaker 1>much tied together, like you need particle physics to explain

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>these larger cosmic structures, right, So the big question here

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<v Speaker 1>is at the end of the day, Uh, is it

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we just can't really observe this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just like all the other matter, or is

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<v Speaker 1>it some new matter that we don't even know about yet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the question, that's the big question. Or the third

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<v Speaker 1>option is that our physics are understanding of physics is wrong, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which means, well, we'll see some people go back in

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>tamper with things. Newton said he didn't like that much

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to the dismay of brain. So, um, if if it's

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 1>just stuff that we already know exists but we just

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>can't observe yet, those fall under the umbrella of Macho's

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>massive compact halo objects, which are huge massive structures that

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we already know about Neutron stars, black holes, round dwarf

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>stars that are huge massive it have a tremendous amount

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>of mass and thus exert a lot of gravity around them, um,

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>but are too dim to show up clearly when we're

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>looking at say a galaxy or galactic cluster. Yeah, like

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>we talked about luminositi, they have low luminosity. We know

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 1>they're there, but they're not shining, But we don't know

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that that's them. That is one proposal for what dark

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>matter is. They're just things that we already have identified.

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>No exists, we just can't see them in these particular things.

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>That's actually doesn't have for as as Acam's razory as

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that is, that actually does not have as much support

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>in the physics community as the other idea that that

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>dark matter is made up of some particle that we

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>have not discovered yet. Yeah, so that's where I got

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a little confused with the whimps and the scimpse. WHIMPS

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>stands for weakly interacting massive particles, uh, huge amounts of mass,

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>but difficult to detect because they just interact weekly with

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>ordinary manner. Right, Here's why they're difficult to attack. To

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>detect that they interact weekly with matter. That's not stating

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it very well. There's the weak nuclear force is one

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of the four fundamental forces, and it's found almost exclusively

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>in the nucleus of an atom. What what these WIMP

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>particles weak interactive um massive particles are. They're hypothetical. We

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know that they exist. Mathematically, they fit the bill

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>of dark matter um the fact that they interact with

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>gravity and with the weak force only means that, no,

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>we can't detect them. We don't have weak force detectors.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>We have detectors along the electromagnetic spectrum. So everything we

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>do when we look out in the universe, we use

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>X rays or microwaves or radio waves, all of those

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>are electromagnetic. If these particles don't interact with the electromagnetic force,

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that has no effect on them whatsoever. We have no

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>way of detecting them. All we can do is since

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>they have a gravitational pull, because they have so much mass,

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>we can just sense their gravity and be like, what

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the heck is going on? Which is exactly the position

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>we're in now. Whimps were a big um They were

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>promoted as as the particle I think starting in the

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>eighties because there does because there was something called the

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>whimp miracle. And this breaks my brain. But apparently if

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you take the the relic density, which is really unimportant

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>for getting into here, but say the density of a whimp,

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like how how dense the universe would have to be

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>for a whimp to exist, it corresponds with the weak

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>um force number. And that made everybody say, oh, well,

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>they're particles that don't interact with the elect a magnetic force,

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>they disinteract with the weak force. Nowadays they've kind of

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>moved to the strong nuclear force simps. And the strong

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>nuclear force also has found just basically in the nucleus

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>of an atom. It's the thing that holds an atom

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>together super tightly, holds the corks into the proton and

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>hold the holds the proton and the and the um

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the what's the what's the neutral charge one neutron. Yeah,

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the neutron and the proton together and keeps them together.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the strong nuclear force. And they think that that

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>that is probably the particle. Now so the same thing

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>though doesn't interact with the electro magnetic spectrum, so we

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>have no way of detecting it, but it would still

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>have mass and hence exert a lot of gravity. So

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of the takeaway, right. Well, not everyone is

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on board with this UH period, Like some people, there

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>are some astronomers out there who say they dare say

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe Newton got it wrong and maybe we should crack

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>open the Bible and rewrite it, like Thomas Jefferson and UH.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>In the eighties, there was a dude physicist name Mordecaig

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>mill Grom. He suggested that Newton's second law of motion,

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>which is force equals mass times acceleration, which I got

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>wrong in the board breaking episode. That's right, but we're

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>not physicist. We just played them on the air. Uh.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>He said, maybe we should look at that again and

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe he was wrong, and maybe we should modify this.

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And he called this modification mind modified Newton Newtonian dynamics.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And Uh, the way that I read this was it

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 1>almost sounded like it's probably not quite right, but almost

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>sounded like he had some answer. So he was sort

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of rewriting the question to fit it was at hawk. Yeah,

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that is what he was called out on that. It

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like, oh, here is a new understanding of a

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>physical law around the Uni verse. This just applied to

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>those galaxies in the rotational momentum or rotational acceleration. His

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>whole position was that that breaks down at very small accelerations,

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like a planet on the outside or a star on

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the outside of a galaxy, but over a long distance. Yeah.

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And so a lot of people were like, that's ad hoc.

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't hold any water. Anyone can do that. Get

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>out of here. Yeah. Um. And then apparently there was

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a study in two thousand seven that showed that even

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>down to accelerations as slow as five hundred trillions of

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>a meter per second squared, which is really low acceleration,

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Newton's second law of motion still held fast. So mind

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much out out the window. From what I understand,

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Newton is giving the finger from the grave to see

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>what you get. He very famously liked to say, bite it.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>It's on his tombstone. I think, Uh, what else do

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>we have here? Um? Alternative wise, this guy, I love

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>this dude's name. I looked it up, Dragon H. Kovic.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh he is he one of the guys at CERN. Yeah.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>I can do better than that, Dragon, Hey Dukevich, hy Dukevich, Sorry,

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>draw on, but yeah, he said that there's such things

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>as um gravit pollar gravitational polar opposites to particles and

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>anti particles have not only opposite electrical charges, but opposite

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>gravitational charges. Yeah. So if those are near a galaxy,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>then it would strenk sort of like a magnet almost,

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>they'd form pull a dipole. Yeah, so it would strengthen

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the gravitational field. So that's what's accounting for. Uh. In fact,

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess he's saying there is no dark matter, right, Yeah,

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>he's saying that that's dark matters dipoles gravitational dipoles, which

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>is interesting because that means if that's correct, then if

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you got your hands on an antiparticle, it would fall

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>upward because they have it would have an opposite gravitational energy. Yeah,

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty neat. It's pretty neat. I would love to

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>have like a pencil made of any particles used to

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 1>be like, watch this right, just knock everyone sucks right off. So, uh,

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>should we talk about that? That's what I would do

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>if I had a whole bunch of anti particles. That's

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that's where my imagination ends. Should we talk about the

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Big Bang a little bit? Yeah? Because this is the thing,

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Like if you've been sitting here going like, come on,

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>why does this matter at all? It actually does matter

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>if we want to figure out how the universe can

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>possibly end, right, which is your specialty these days. Man,

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited about this coming out. Yeah, we're talking again.

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Josh's upcoming tin part series, The End of the World.

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>The End of the World. Yeah, it's um slated to

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>come out in November seven, and it's this and more

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>time Sten literally Timesten. Yeah, what other stuff you talk

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>about ai I know that's in there, ai UM, reckless

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>experiments with viruses, FAMI paradox, the Great filter, um, the

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>whole things about existential risks. Man, it's you're getting smarter.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm just talking about the old movies. It's down. Yeah,

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but you're like getting in there with people, you know,

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like the heart of people. It's just different. It's not better. Well,

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you've got interviews and stuff though, with like like leading experts, right, yeah,

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>but I kind of used them as like a Greek

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>course to kind of chime in and help like explain

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>it or be like, yeah, Josh is actually right here,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>you know that kind of like it's not just me

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>saying it's all right. So look for that everyone. But

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 1>with the Big Bang, the idea is that the universe

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>is expanding, and the big question is where what's the endgame? There?

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Are we gonna expand forever? And what does that mean

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 1>in relation to dark matter? So again, this is the

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>point that we're at. We've actually figured out what the

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.399
<v Speaker 1>density of the universe has to be. There's something called

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a critical density, and it's tend to the negative twenty

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>nine grams per cubic centimeter, which this article says is

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>equivalent to a few hydrogen atoms in a phone booth.

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>That density of matter, and if the unit that is

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the critical density of of matter in the universe, if

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it's more than that, equal to that, are less than that,

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>there are three different possible outcomes for the universe depending

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>on how dense the universes with matter. Right, and a

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>phone booth everyone is a thing, a box that used

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to hold public telephones that you would step into to

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>make a call. Yeah, what's a good movie you can

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>go watch to see? There's one called booth. Oh yeah,

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I said a good movie the right. Uh, Superman changes

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 1>his clothes in a phone booth. There you go go

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 1>watch the original Christo Reef Christopher reef um Superman. Right.

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Or imagine if you were laying dead in a casket

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and someone set you up, and you were on your

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>cell phone, but you were only three hydrogen atoms and

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>your cell phone is connected to a machine chord r exactly.

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh all right, So where we were talking about the

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>critical density of the universe, right, So there are a

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>few different uh outcomes here that they've they've come up

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>with as far as where we're headed. Yeah, So if

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>if the universe has a density of matter, all the

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.479
<v Speaker 1>matter in the universe, if you could, if you could

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>just slice the universe up into phone booths and equally

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>spread out all of the matter in the universe across

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>all those phone booths, if that equals just a few

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen atoms per phone booth. Again, that's the critical mass density.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>And if that is actually the same as the density

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>of matter in the universe, then what we have is

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a universe that keeps expanding forever, because the universe started

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>inflating at some point after the Big Bang. And this

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.240
<v Speaker 1>is a huge discovery in and of itself. Right, everybody

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>thought the universe is just kind of there and unchanging. No,

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the universe is actually expanding inside. It's inflating, and the

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>matter in the universe is actually spreading away from it.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>So everybody's like, like you said, what's the endgame that

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>if it's if the universe, if the universal mass is

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the same as the critical mass density, it's gonna just

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>keep expanding forever. But eventually it'll it'll get kind of cool,

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and everything's gonna die and stop. I think it's called

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the heat death of the universe. Yeah, and that's called

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>critical or flat universe. If the actual mass density is

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>greater than the critical mass density, they call that the

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>big crunch. That's not good to close the universe. That

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>means it'll expand and then eventually slow down, stop expanding,

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and then collapse on itself. Right like you you know

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>those a bungee uh um swings. Yeah, my daughter was

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>just on one of those. Okay, So they launched up

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>in the air, right, yep, Well they she she she

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.359
<v Speaker 1>went that way, and then she came back this way,

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>she did. So when you come back this way. When

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>when you came back this way is because the universe

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>is closed and the gravity because of the mass, was

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 1>greater than the critical mass density, and so gravity overcame

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>it and brought it back together in what was called

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the big crunch, which I'm assuming she did not undergo.

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I tried to explain that to her, and all she

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>said was again again, I don't blame her. Uh. And

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>then finally we have another outcome. If actual mass density

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is less than critical mass density, then we keep expanding,

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>but there's no change in the rate of expansion. Doesn't

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't start expanding faster and faster, right, and I

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>think nothing really cools off. It just keeps going forever,

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of the all good one. Really. That's

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 1>called the Waterson universe, right, alright, alright, alright, or specifically

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the coasting or open universe. I like that, ak Waterson.

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So the only way to figure this out for Shure

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is to live until the end of the universe, and

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>we're talking billions, possibly trillions of years into the future,

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>or we could just figure out how much matter there

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>really is. The problem is, even if we can account

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>for all the regular matter, every bit of things that

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>makes up you, me, and everything we can see in

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the universe, we still have to account for dark matter.

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Hence the reason why people are mapping dark matter. So

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we can figure truly how much matters in the universe,

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.879
<v Speaker 1>and then we can predict how it's gonna end. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just uh folly and like, hey, this would

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<v Speaker 1>be neat. I mean part of it is. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a part of sandwich and a glass of milk at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that calculation. That's true. Uh, And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say you got anything else, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say that I got nothing else. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's dark matter. Don't even get us started on

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<v Speaker 1>dark energy. Please, please, God, don't get us started on

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<v Speaker 1>dark energy. Uh. If you want to more about dark matter,

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<v Speaker 1>type that word into the search bar. Of those words

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<v Speaker 1>in the search bar. And since I said that it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for listening to mail, I'm gonna call this uh

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<v Speaker 1>something on game shows, Hey, guys, always um wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>it was like to have a moment where they say

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<v Speaker 1>I have to write into stuff you should know for

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<v Speaker 1>listener mail. Well I just had that moment yesterday. I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to the Select podcast on Game shows that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a Select podcast, that was just a live show. Oh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they fooled me. I love all your episodes, but

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<v Speaker 1>I found this one particularly fascinating. Last forwarded. This evening,

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<v Speaker 1>my fiance and I were sitting down to watch a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not much of a movie person, sorry, Chuck. So

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<v Speaker 1>I told Peter Guess her fiance to just pick something

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<v Speaker 1>to watch. He puts on quiz show, Oh Emil, not

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<v Speaker 1>realizing it was based on the real life of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started telling Peter about your podcast. And now

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<v Speaker 1>quiz shows like this one on the movie were rigged

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifties and it almost killed game shows. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like a sponge releasing all the information I had

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<v Speaker 1>heard yesterday. The chance that he selects that movie the

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<v Speaker 1>day after I listened to your podcast just blows my mind. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Mandela effect, right, syncretism. Anyway, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>what you do for keeping me company as a drive

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<v Speaker 1>around d C on the belt Way every day. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you poor person. I know when one of your episodes

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<v Speaker 1>cueues up, I know my drive will go so much faster.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of love, Kristen, Thanks a lot, Kristin. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a greed email. We're glad we could help you out.

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<v Speaker 1>Make it look pretty good in front of Peter. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck with the upcoming wedding, yeah, which we assume

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<v Speaker 1>is impending. Okay, um, well, if you want to let

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<v Speaker 1>us know you're getting married, let us know, we'll say

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<v Speaker 1>best wishes. Every once while, somebody will send an invitation in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not taking them up, but we usually sign it

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<v Speaker 1>and send it back at least. Yeah. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>someone was getting married here in the studio on a

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday at one o'clock, we'd be there, and we'd also

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<v Speaker 1>be like, we need the studio exactly. Uh so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>make it twelve o'clock. Uh. If you want to get

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