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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics. Well,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds, and House Ethics has launched an investigation into

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Speaker 1: Republican Tony Gonzalez's alleged affair. We have such a great

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Speaker 1: show for you today, the Jim Acosta Shows. Jim Acosta

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Speaker 1: stops by to talk about our wag the Dog War.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to New York Times investigative reporter David

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Speaker 1: Enrich about his blockbuster reporting on Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: But first the news, Miley. It was a big night

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Speaker 2: in democratic upheaval, a lot of primaries that really shocked

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Speaker 2: a lot of people. We had big, big numbers over

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Speaker 2: in both Texas and North Carolina. But particularly what a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are excited about is that James tell

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Speaker 2: Rico has won, since a lot of people find him

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Speaker 2: to be a great messenger for the party. Well, John

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Speaker 2: Cornyin and Ken Paxton have to duke it out for

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Speaker 1: So it's not a major demo credit upset. If anything,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a major Republican upset. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people were focused on this. Crockett Tela Rico matchup, but

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Speaker 1: tell Rico won. This was a race that got a

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Speaker 1: lot of people angry at each other on the internet.

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Speaker 1: The reality is there are two great candidates, and if

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Speaker 1: you talk to people in Texas, they were it was

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Speaker 1: like an embarrassment of wretches. And I think that's really important, right.

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Speaker 1: Crockett has a really great base. She's really good at

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of different interesting things, and she's really smart,

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Speaker 1: and she's a civil rights lawyer and has a lot

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Speaker 1: to recommend. She will go back to Congress and continue

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Speaker 1: to just be great because I think this is an

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Speaker 1: important story in the fact that there was just a

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Speaker 1: lot of people sort of trying to make this about

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Speaker 1: a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that's what it was. Honestly. She was very online,

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Speaker 1: but so is tel Rico. Talla Rico won the nomination,

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Speaker 1: so he will advance now to the Senate. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk for minute about what Republicans have wrought here.

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Speaker 1: So Cornin has a lot of money, like a lot.

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Speaker 1: This is already I think, the most expensive primary ever

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Speaker 1: and it's just going to get more expensive now. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Paxton for a minute. Paxton did

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Speaker 1: not spend a ton of money, But he is really

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Speaker 1: like Trump before Trump. He's been impeached, he has not

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Speaker 1: been removed. But you'll remember that when they were voting

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Speaker 1: on removal, his donors were going into the Texas State

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Speaker 1: Senate and threatening members with the primary if they voted

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Speaker 1: for removal. So, like, this is just an insane story,

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Speaker 1: and it's worth remembering. Like Paxton is Trump before Trump.

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Speaker 1: He had this big, very messy affair. His wife is

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Speaker 1: suing him, it's still going. A fair assessment is that

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Speaker 1: at the state level he is widely disliked. In the

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Speaker 1: Congress and in the Senate, he is widely liked by Texans,

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Speaker 1: by maga Texans. He has like a sort of trumpy

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Speaker 1: virality that said, when you hear him speak, he's not

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Speaker 1: some kind of like Trump had this kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: that he has gone. He's Trumpier than Trump the.

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Speaker 2: Way he's like Trump. What's all these indictments, delay securities, fraud,

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Speaker 2: impeachment for bribery and abusive office whistleblower retaliation, election lawsuits,

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Speaker 2: it's just that does not end with this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has done a lot of really sleazy stuff

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Speaker 1: and right after the twenty twenty election, he was right

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Speaker 1: super big cheater and scumbag. And when he wins the primary,

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Speaker 1: though maybe he won't, maybe Cornyn will win. He is

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Speaker 1: another thing that happened is that we saw Republicans lose

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Speaker 1: their seats. Okay, so al Green and Manifie. This is

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Speaker 1: And he's also having a House ethics probe. I want

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Speaker 1: to point out that the House Ethics Committee is like

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Speaker 2: So we can't forget. Also that a special election of

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Speaker 2: Roy Cooper and North Carolina won his North Carolina seat.

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Speaker 2: But what we're seeing in North Carolina is the elections

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Speaker 1: But I think when we look at this election, what

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Speaker 1: remember that Texas has Donald Trump decided he wanted Texas

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Speaker 1: to redistrict so he could win these blue seats. Well, surprise,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, but they have dummymandered themselves into possible flips.

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Speaker 1: So there are four districts that Texas GOP Jerrymander to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one last thing we should say is Dan

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Speaker 1: Now, mighty Dan Crenshaw. I think they'll probably have someone worse. Also,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Texas, we did see some real fucker there.

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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court had to get involved last night in

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Speaker 2: Dallas's new election laws, even with Ken Paxton arguing for

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Speaker 1: May yeah. I mean, look, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: voting procedures in two Texas counties on Tuesday led to

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Speaker 1: One of the things that tell Rico did, which I

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Speaker 1: this is going to be it. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be Dems are going to need to just make sure

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Speaker 2: Agreed. So I have to say, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you saw the look on Senator Richard Blumenthal's face last

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Speaker 2: night after he came out of this briefing on Iran,

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Speaker 2: and he says, I'm americ convinced now that this is

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Speaker 2: going to be an open ended and forever war in Iran. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an open ended, in

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Speaker 1: forever war on Iran. And I don't understand why we

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Speaker 1: you know, none of this had to happen, right, None

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Neo Neanderthal coms. That's very good.

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Speaker 2: So by CBS News kind of shocking the source here,

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Speaker 2: the DOJ has been taking down Epstein files. Here's what

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Speaker 1: So the taking down anything that mentions Trump, some of

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Speaker 1: What's really good about the Trump administration?

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Speaker 4: Nothing? Pressure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they had Willie Nelson do a song about

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Speaker 3: Say, that's not a rationale for going to war. That

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Speaker 3: Right, and we have to stipulate from the beginning. We

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Speaker 3: And she's been through this before, She's been through this

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Speaker 1: It was just kiss first unbelievable, it was. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to about Epstein just for one

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Speaker 3: She has sent emails back and forth with Gallain. Fucking

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Speaker 3: I should say with Belania Trump, she's she's involved in this.

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Speaker 3: The first thing you should be in there. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: But I mean again, I mean just to the conversation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's worth I think it's worth remembering that,

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Speaker 1: with James Comer Cohmer's called him a smurf more than once.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Doug band Donald, which is Bill Clinton's

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Speaker 1: Definitely in everything, and Ted Wide. So I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: Epstein brought Donald Trump to a fashion chow, like they're

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Speaker 1: opening the door for more Donald Trump from the information.

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Speaker 3: Well, and this is why this goes back to James

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Speaker 3: Comer not being the brightest bull on the Christmas tree,

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Speaker 3: because the longer they dragged this out, the closer we

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Speaker 3: get to the terms that you know, they're going to

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Speaker 3: bring in everybody but Donald and Malania Trump, and then

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Speaker 3: the gabbles are going to change hands in the House

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Speaker 3: and possibly in the Senate, and then there will be

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Speaker 3: subpoenas for Donald and Milania Trump. So you know, Comer,

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Speaker 3: you can do it now or you can do it later.

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Speaker 1: You take your pick, right, And the thing that's so

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Speaker 1: stupid is like you pulled up Hillary Clinton, who clearly

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this. Like if you've got Helen.

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Speaker 1: Then you can't set you can't make the case. That

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Speaker 1: is not fair to call it Milania.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and she's on all those pictures. I mean,

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Speaker 3: do you see the look in Malania's eyes and some

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Speaker 3: of these pictures. I mean, this is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: so I wanted wives, you know, to the extreme. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't it's not a good look on her face as

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Speaker 3: somebod these photos. I don't know what was going on

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Speaker 3: at some of these parties. She saw something, she.

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Speaker 1: Definitely saw something. I want to talk about. Incredible hearing

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Speaker 1: Yester Guy, Christy nolm Ice Barbie interviewed by John Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: That was amazing, incredible stuff.

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Speaker 3: Foghorn Leghorn from the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

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Speaker 1: Republican who used to be Democrat from Louisiana pretends to

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Speaker 1: be stupid.

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Speaker 3: Was I think a Rhodes he's an Oxford Rhodes scholarips, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he talks like Colonel Sanders or you know, eleven RBS.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand how you spent two hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars on advertisements advertising you in a haad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was priceless and honestly, I mean to me,

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Speaker 3: what it says is that there's some polling numbers. There's

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Speaker 3: some polling data that is being shared in the Senate,

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Speaker 3: not just with Democrats but with Republicans. That says that

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Speaker 3: Christine nomes poll numbers are dogshit right now? Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I mean Tom tillis, yes, a woolf and Tom Tillis

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Speaker 3: who is retiring. Yes, we know he's retiring. And why

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Speaker 3: didn't you say any of this stuff sooner we get

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Speaker 3: all of that? Yeah, rilling christineomes On shooting her dog

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Speaker 3: is like, finally there's some justice on the way. And

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Speaker 3: it seems to me right now if you're just looking

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Speaker 3: at this, you know, whole situation through a cold political lens,

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Speaker 3: is that basically Christy Nohan right now is the dog.

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Speaker 3: She is the dog, and she's in trouble and she's

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Speaker 3: not she's not being trained well you know, she's not.

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Speaker 3: She's not learning the tricks from from uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: whoever's trying to get to be you know, get her

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Speaker 3: to be a better trained dog. And she is the

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Speaker 3: dog right now and it doesn't look good for her.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you said about

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Speaker 1: the Poland because I think that's a really important point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: none of this is happening because people are seeing the light.

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Speaker 1: This is all happening because they are feeling the heat

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Speaker 1: because Tom Tillis started yelling at her about killing a dog. Now,

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Speaker 1: Tom Tillis famously loves dogs. Everyone who works in the

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Speaker 1: Senate knows he has a paw parade for his dogs.

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Speaker 1: And he named one of the dogs after Mitch McConnell. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which I guess is an honor. My dogs are not

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Speaker 1: named after fucking Mitch McConnell, that, I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 1: But they are turning on her abecause she's corrupt, but

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Speaker 1: be because she's low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I think that. I mean, it seems to

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Speaker 3: me that, you know, the closer we get to the midterms,

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Speaker 3: the more Donald Trump is going to be tempted to

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Speaker 3: throw some people overboard. And I think the first dog

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Speaker 3: to walk the plank is going to be Christinome. And

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Speaker 3: Christinome is in a lot of trouble right now. And

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Speaker 3: you know, if John Kennedy, the Senator of Louisiana, is

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Speaker 3: going after her, if Tom Tillis is going after her,

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Speaker 3: I mean it seems to me her days are numbered.

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Speaker 3: And I mean the way that Sheldon white House pulled

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Speaker 3: out the poster of the plane with the bedroom on it,

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Speaker 3: and the looking on Christinome's face. Oh, what's that? What

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Speaker 3: is that bedroom? I don't know what that is. I've

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Speaker 3: never been there before.

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, it's important.

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Speaker 1: To mention that the thing that no one is writing

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Speaker 1: but everyone believes is that these two married people are

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Speaker 1: more than friends. That's what a lot of people believe

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Speaker 1: it now. Nope, I don't know substantiated exactly.

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Speaker 3: The bedroom was a callback and Donald Truit has been

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Speaker 3: asked about this. He was asked on Air Force one

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Speaker 3: about this like last week or two. What's going on

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Speaker 3: with Christy Nolan, Corey Lewandowski and Christy You know, Corey

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Speaker 3: Lewandowski has been fired by Donald Trump before. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: has no problem firing Corey Lewandowski. But to me, it

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Speaker 3: seems that is a package deal. You know, if that

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Speaker 3: dog is going to get put out the pasture, Corey

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Speaker 3: is going to be going along with her. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not every day when a cabinet secretary is being

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Speaker 3: asked about a bedroom on a government funded plane where

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Speaker 3: apparently there are things going on. There's stuff going on

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Speaker 3: in that bedroom.

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Speaker 1: And there's been just a ton of reporting, you know,

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Speaker 1: from we had the Daily Mail talking about that the

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Speaker 1: it wasn't really a blanket, that it was a bag

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Speaker 1: and maybe there was something in the bag.

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Speaker 3: There's been a bag and she's had bag issues before too, right,

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Speaker 3: didn't she have a bag of cash that was swiped

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Speaker 3: at a Burger place in DC? That is they're very sensitive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does strike me that this is a very

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Speaker 1: leaky organization at this point. Homeland is like got a

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Speaker 1: gazillion dollars and it's leaking like a fucking sieve.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also want for one more second about this two

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollar subcontractor or the subcontract This

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Speaker 1: was what John Kennedy was talking about. He said he

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Speaker 1: didn't think Russ Vaught would like it. Russ Vaught, head

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Speaker 1: of OMB trying to cut the government, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: doesn't like just open corruption. The implication here that Kennedy

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Speaker 1: is trying to make but cannot completely prove, is that

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Speaker 1: Gnomes set up people who worked for her, let them

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Speaker 1: create a shell company, become a subcontractor. And perhaps I

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Speaker 1: think the implication here is perhaps they that Christy got

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Speaker 1: a cut.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean to me, it just sounds like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a corruption spree that would make

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Speaker 3: Putin's crony's blush in Moscow. What we're seeing right now,

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Speaker 3: and the accusation or the story that's been raised and

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Speaker 3: it's been reported that I guess it's a Tricia McLaughlin,

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Speaker 3: the spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland.

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Speaker 1: Security that hurt entry to the subcontractor who quit and

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Speaker 1: then Tricia quit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know there's multimillion dollar contracts going in

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Speaker 3: that direction. I mean, this is all six stuff, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, like the really sad part in

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Speaker 3: all of this is that she's presiding over an agency

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Speaker 3: where there is no accountability. I mean, they they are

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Speaker 3: responsible for the killings of Renee Good and Alex pretty

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Speaker 3: and all. And by the way, a story that isn't

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Speaker 3: being talked about very much, a young man by the

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Speaker 3: name of Ruben Ray Martinez who was shot and killed

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Speaker 3: by ice almost a year ago and got no coverage

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Speaker 3: and whoops, just the other day DHS lets that out

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Speaker 3: of the bag that oh, yes, that happened. This is

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Speaker 3: a rogue agency, rogue department that's being by you know,

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Speaker 3: a cabinet secretary who looks like he seems to be. Basically,

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Speaker 3: she is the dog. Now she is the dog.

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Speaker 1: Jim, will you will you come back?

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Speaker 3: I would love to come back.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Vladimir Putin loves.

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Speaker 3: Dogs, does he?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: And see he even had I mean even Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: doesn't love dogs.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a pretty bad guy all things considered.

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Speaker 1: Buddy does love dogs.

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Speaker 3: He does love dogs, yes, And I think that's why

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Speaker 3: he I think that's why Donald Trump picked Christine him

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Speaker 3: to be the cabinet secretary because she was willing to

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Speaker 3: shoot a dog. That's the kind of thing that works

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Speaker 3: with Donald Trump. Just saying the best.

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're the best. Molly, thank you so much. Great

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Speaker 3: to see as always.

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Speaker 1: David Henrik is a deputy investigations editor at The New

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Speaker 1: York Times and the author of Murder, The Truths and

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Speaker 1: Servants of the Dann Welcome, Welcome, David. You are investigator.

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Speaker 1: You've come on here before to talk about books you've written,

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Speaker 1: and now we find ourselves in sort of I would say,

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Speaker 1: like the biggest investigative story at least of the last decade.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's big, and it's very investigative. And important and

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Speaker 4: totally sprang Narson manthin quite like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking, of course about Jeffrey Epstein and how

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Speaker 1: he ran what is the largest sex trafficking ring in

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Speaker 1: American history. I think just by sheer volume and decades,

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Speaker 1: you're covering this every which way because the story is

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Speaker 1: really evolving. So let's start by talking about this story

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Speaker 1: you just recently wrote about Epstein's ties to you as

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Speaker 1: customs officers. He has this house on a private island

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Speaker 1: called Little Saint James, and part of what he does

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Speaker 1: is he brings girls there and guests and celebrities, and

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Speaker 1: it's part of his influence ring. Talk to me about

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Speaker 1: how he runs a foul with customs.

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Speaker 4: Well, he you know, as someone who owns a private

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Speaker 4: island and owns a bunch of private planes and his

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Speaker 4: own helicopter and things like that. He's going in and

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Speaker 4: out of customs constantly. And this is in the US

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Speaker 4: Virgin Islands, so it's part of the United States. But

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Speaker 4: he uses his private island and Saint Thomas, which is

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Speaker 4: the island that's right next to his island. It's basically

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Speaker 4: a port of entry into the continental US. And so

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Speaker 4: there's all he has to clear customs, and as anyone knows,

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Speaker 4: clearing customs can sometimes be a pain. And Epstein, you know,

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Speaker 4: he bought this private island in the late nineties, and

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Speaker 4: certainly by the mid or late two thousands, he had

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Speaker 4: started establishing really cozy relationships with a bunch of the

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Speaker 4: local customs officers in Saint Thomas. And you know, he

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Speaker 4: was offering them food, he was inviting them to hang

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Speaker 4: out with him, he was collecting their private phone numbers

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Speaker 4: so that he could reach him any which way he wanted.

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Speaker 4: He was offering them financial advice, professional advice. Became a

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Speaker 4: very and cozy relationship with him. That led him and

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Speaker 4: some of the customs officers to come under the impression

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Speaker 4: that he was basically getting fast tracked and have whisked

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Speaker 4: through customs. And if any customs officer created trouble for Epstein,

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Speaker 4: Epstein could just go right up the food chain complain

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Speaker 4: about that person. And you know, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 4: that creates an incentive for the customs officers to not

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Speaker 4: cause trouble. And when that person happens to be running

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Speaker 4: what turns out to be a vast sex trafficking operation,

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Speaker 4: including the importation of young women and girls from outside

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Speaker 4: the United States. That is the role of customs officers.

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Speaker 4: One of the roles anyway, is to police that and

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Speaker 4: to put a stop to that. And so it creates

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Speaker 4: obvious and really profound conflicts of interest for this person

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Speaker 4: who is supposed to be the subject of law enforcement

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Speaker 4: scrutiny to instead be striking up these really friendly relationships

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Speaker 4: with law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that went higher up right, there's a Democratic congresswoman

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Speaker 1: for the Virgin Island. Talk us through the sort of

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Speaker 1: politicos up the chain. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the first and foremost the governor's wife

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Speaker 4: at the time. He hired her as essentially basically his

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: chief of staff on the island. Perfect, Yeah, exactly. I'm

650
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: not saying there's any that she lacked the qualifications necessarily

651
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: to do that job, but clearly that was part of

652
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: an influenced building effort that included, among other things, him

653
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: spending a bunch of money on political contributions to a

654
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: bunch of the local politicians as well as the local

655
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: congresswoman who represented the Virgid Islands. And I think one

656
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: of the many things that he found attractive about doing

657
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: business in that part of the world was that the

658
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: low taxes were a big part of it. The fact

659
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: that he was geographically isolated from anyone was part of it.

660
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 4: But part of it was that it was a power

661
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: structure that was just kind of sitting there waiting to

662
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: be co opted and bought and paid for, and he,

663
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: you know, as was his wont to do, he succeeded

664
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: and he used his money, his influence, his connections to

665
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 4: get exactly what he wanted, which was kind of a

666
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: safe zone for this criminal enterprise in this runner.

667
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you've covered over the last month is of

668
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: a lot of interest to me, So I'm hoping we

669
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: can just go through each of them, if that's okay.

670
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I know that's really annoying because remember these files were

671
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: dumped ry before Christmas, right as one does.

672
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: Well, some of them. They started to be dumped around

673
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 4: Christmas and then the real mother load though, came at

674
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: the end of January, so a little more than a

675
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: month ago, right.

676
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: But the first batch there was a couple of interesting

677
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: things in it. Federal prosecutor surprised by Trump's flight on

678
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Epstein's jet talk through that, please.

679
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't think they were surprised by Trump's

680
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: flight I think they were surprised and taken it back

681
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: by the volume and the frequency of those flights. This

682
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 4: is one of those many instances where the more you

683
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: learn about Epstein, the more you see what's in these files,

684
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: you know it answers some questions, but those questions are

685
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: immediately supplanted by others. And this is one that just

686
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: left me kind of befuddled, to be honest with you.

687
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: I mean, there we have all known, just through the

688
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 4: flight lugs that have been released over the past decade,

689
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 4: that Trump as well as others including Clinton, were regular

690
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: passengers on his aircraft. And so seeing these emails where

691
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 4: federal prosecutors and investigators, who supposedly the experts on this

692
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 4: are taken aback by the frequency of the flights, I'm

693
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: not sure that they should have been surprised. I think

694
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: that the law of this was in the public domain,

695
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: and it seemed to me and this is a feeling

696
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: that has been reinforced over and over and over it

697
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: and the more we've spent, the more time we've spent

698
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 4: looking through these files, is that there was not The

699
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: investigation that was done by the federal government into Epstein

700
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: and his associates was quite limited, and in some cases

701
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: and in some areas, quite cursory. And so the fact

702
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: that you're seeing them surprised by things that you know,

703
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 4: a journalist or a reader of the news has known

704
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: all along is a little bit unsettling.

705
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And actually that gets us to the big story

706
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: that you guys had this week.

707
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: I was trying to set up the segue for you to.

708
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's I was like, well, I guess we're going

709
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: to talk about why the Epstein investigations took so long

710
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: and did so little. You're not a byline on this story,

711
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: but I assume you I was.

712
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: The editor of it and did some reporting as well.

713
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it is a volumeous story. And

714
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: it tracks with when I talked to Raoul Torres the

715
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: age from New Mexico a couple of weeks ago. I said,

716
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck you guys, and he said he wasn't

717
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: there then, but he did say that he knew that

718
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: they had been trying and that the fence had told

719
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: them to stop.

720
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: Well, it was just kind of what happens when the

721
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: federal government launches what's supposed to be this big, sweeping

722
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: criminal investigation of anyone one of the first things they

723
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 4: do is they try and call off the local cops

724
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: and prosecutors who have been doing this because the federal

725
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 4: government is in charge and in theory, at least as

726
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: the expertise and the resources to execute a much more

727
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: sophisticated investigation than state law enforcement does. In this case,

728
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's quite what happened, though, No.

729
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: It does not seem it was. And actually another part

730
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: of the story is that I had interviewed Maria Farmer,

731
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: who is, as you know, not so well. But I

732
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: was happy to get to talk to her a couple

733
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: of weeks ago because she can't really travel right now.

734
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: What I thought was really good in this article was

735
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: you've talked about how she thought they were working on it.

736
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is a pattern. And so Maria Farmer

737
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: back in nineteen ninety six has concluded correctly, it turns

738
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: out that Epstein is a pedophile. And there are a

739
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: number of specific things that she was concerned about in

740
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: that letter to that conclusion. And you know, she called

741
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: the New York Police Department. They told her to go

742
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: to the FBI. She went to the FBI. She explained

743
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 4: to the FBI what she thought was happening and why,

744
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: and then for the next ten years or so was

745
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: waiting for the FBI to follow up with her, and

746
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: they didn't, And instead, what the FBI did in subsequent

747
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: years was deny that she had ever called them in

748
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: the first place, which woudest this like epic act of

749
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: gas light. And we only found out very recently in

750
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: one of these first document dumps that, in fact, here's

751
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: the record of Maria Farmer having done exactly what she

752
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: said she did back in nineteen ninety six. And what's

753
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 4: interesting about this to me is not simply just how

754
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 4: insanely upsetting and frustrating that must have been for Farmer

755
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: to a for that no one listened, and be that

756
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: they had them lied about the fact that she had

757
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: reached out in the first place. But this is part

758
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: of this was kind of an early sign of what

759
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 4: would become a pattern where there were warning signs and

760
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 4: red flags and tips and all sorts of other things

761
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: that were pouring into the offices of federal investigators and

762
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 4: prosecutors around the country. And for the most part there's

763
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: some exception, but for the most part, the opportunities to

764
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: investigate Epstein and his associates and put a stop to

765
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 4: what they were doing. They failed repeatedly, not because prosecutors

766
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: and investigators didn't have the information, but because for reason,

767
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: for a variety of reasons, they decided not to aggressively

768
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 4: go after Epstein. And it really was not until twenty

769
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: nineteen that they went finally went after aggressively went after

770
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: Epstein and Kallaine Maxwell, which at that point, you know,

771
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: is kind of too late in some ways because so

772
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: many people had already fallen viction to him. But amazingly,

773
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: they even at that late hour, they took an extraordinarily

774
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: narrow view of what they should be investigating and how.

775
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: And so we have a situation where you know, there

776
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: are only two people criminally charged over what we know

777
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: was a really extensive sex trafficking operation. We know that

778
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: the FEDS looked at a number of people as co conspirators.

779
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: We have now just learned that in most of those

780
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: cases they don't appear to have even interviewed those people,

781
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: or it s the poena of those people. So it's baffling.

782
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: This is not the picture of an addressive law enforcement

783
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: investigation that was interested in finding out the truth or

784
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: seeking justice. This appears to have been a case where

785
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: law enforcement was responding to political pressure to investigate Epstein

786
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: after the Miami Herald wrote some very good stories in

787
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, and they took what appeared to be a

788
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: readily simple, straightforward, efficient path through this and then moved

789
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: on to the stuff.

790
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: So Marie Farmer mentioned this prosecutor in Marie Villa Fauna

791
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: because she really feels like the rest of us in

792
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: these correspondents, so talk us through this situation.

793
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: Yes, Villa Fania was an assistant US attorney in South

794
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 4: Florida who was basically the lead prosecutor who in two

795
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two thousand and

796
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: eight was trying to build a federal criminal case against Epstein,

797
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 4: and she was involved in a lot of interviews of

798
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: his victims. She was directing the issuance of subpoenas to

799
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 4: various individuals and institutions, and really, it seems from these emails,

800
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: was really affected by what she was hearing from victims

801
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: and witnesses about the scope and severity of Epstein's criminal conduct.

802
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: And you know, instead, and this is a story that's

803
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: been told a bazillion times, but we see it in

804
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: much stark a relief. In these emails, we can see

805
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: Villafania leading with her superiors to pay attention to this

806
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: and you know, come in and actually listen to these

807
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: women talk about what they went through, trying to kind

808
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: of shake them out or they're stupor, and not for

809
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 4: lack of trying. But she failed in that effort, and

810
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: instead of bringing federal charges, there was a deal that

811
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: was struck in two thousand and eight in which Epstein

812
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 4: would would plead guilty to a couple of state charges.

813
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: There would be not only no federal charges, but a

814
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: federal non prosecution agreement that appeared to restrict the ability

815
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 4: of the federal government to prosecute Epstein or importantly his

816
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 4: accomplices in later years. And I think Villafania, and we

817
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: write about this in the article, she was you know,

818
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: people came up to her afterwards and congratulated her on

819
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 4: Epstein being sentenced to eighteen months in a county stockade

820
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 4: as a result of this, and saying, great job, you

821
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: got him off the streets. And her response to that was,

822
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 4: this guy to be serving eighteen years, not eighteen months.

823
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: And you know, as it turned out, he only served

824
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: thirteen months and even in those thirteen months he did

825
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: serve were under To call it lenient would be an understatement,

826
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: And he was hardly in jail and obviously gets out

827
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: jail after thirteen months. And you know, we don't know

828
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: if he resumed his sex trafficking of children, but we

829
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 4: do have very clear, reasonably if he continued his sex

830
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: trafficking of young women for the next decade.

831
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: It's just an insane story. And you know, I also

832
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: was with Jess Barski who was talking about one of

833
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: the one of the later victims, and she was talking

834
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: about how had they just listened, had they just tried

835
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: at all? Like, you know, she's not one of the

836
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: later victims, but she's one of the mid two thousand

837
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: victims that you know, none of this needed to happen.

838
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Can you talk us through the Kimball Musk story, because

839
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: that is a little bit confusing.

840
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: I'm happy to talk you through what I know. It's

841
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: a little confusing to me as well. And I think

842
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 4: just a word of warning here that I think there

843
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 4: is Look, there are a lot of men, a lot

844
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: of powerful men who clearly were hanging out with Epstein,

845
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: were extenging emails and other messages with Epstein that to

846
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: a normal human person with a constence are not good

847
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 4: things to.

848
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: Be saying, right, but not necessarily criminal, not.

849
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: Necessarily criminal, and it's not necessarily the case that. And

850
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: I don't know what the truth is with Kimball, and

851
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: he has said I think he has not disputed that

852
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: he was dating someone who was also an Epstein victim.

853
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: It is not clear to me at all that that

854
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 4: means that Kimball was engaged in anything right untilgal or

855
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: even untoward there. But he certainly is one of the

856
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: people who was in for at least a period in

857
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: Epstein's orbit, and Elon was too, to varying.

858
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Degrees, Yeah, which is odd because Elon has tweeted quite

859
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: a lot about this. I'm going to move you along

860
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: just because I have a lot I want to ask

861
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: you about Stelle. And the question I really want from

862
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: you is, because there are still so many questions for me,

863
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: I want you to sort of guess or guesstimate. We've

864
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: heard from this DOJ, which seems pretty committed to not

865
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Speaker 1: being transparent, that this is everything we're going to get.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is everything? And if not, what

867
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Speaker 1: do you think we're missing?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's definitely not everything. The Justice Department, I think

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Speaker 4: is acknowledged that there are millions of pages of stuff

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Speaker 4: we don't have, and what they have said is that

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Speaker 4: that is because you know, under the law, they are

872
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Speaker 4: not supposed to release stuff that identifies victims or potentially

873
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Speaker 4: compromises ongoing investigations. It is given the fact that the

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Speaker 4: Justice Department has also said that they are not pursuing

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Speaker 4: active investigations and do not expect to charge other people,

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Speaker 4: is a little hard for me to imagine that anything

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Speaker 4: they're withholding falls under that ladder rubric. And so I think,

878
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Speaker 4: and look, there there's no question that there has been

879
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Speaker 4: stuff that has been withheld that was done improperly, not

880
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Speaker 4: in compliance with the law. Look, this is millions of

881
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Speaker 4: pages of stuff. As someone who has been trying to

882
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Speaker 4: read as many of those millions of pages as possible,

883
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Speaker 4: I can tell you it is very hard. Even with

884
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Speaker 4: a team of people by my side doing this too,

885
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: it is very hard to make sense of all these

886
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: millions of pages. And I actually do have a little

887
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Speaker 4: bit of empathy at least with the Justice Department people

888
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: who were ordered by Congress within one month to turn

889
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Speaker 4: around what I think it was a probably five or

890
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Speaker 4: six million pages of documents that said, we are now

891
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Speaker 4: several months later, and we at the public and other

892
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: journalists are being stone walled essentially by this administration on

893
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Speaker 4: even any valid explanation for why stuff was not withheld.

894
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: There's this kind of needle in a haystack search going on,

895
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Speaker 4: where we keep finding little individual things that probably should

896
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Speaker 4: have been disclosed. The Justice Department then turns around and

897
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Speaker 4: seems to quietly re add those.

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Speaker 1: To the files or take them away.

899
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Speaker 4: Yeah, or take them away. Things are coming going like

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Speaker 4: coward neck, yeah exactly. And at the same time, one

901
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Speaker 4: of the things they were really supposed to be doing

902
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Speaker 4: was protecting the identity of his victims. They have failed

903
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Speaker 4: flagrantly to do that in some very high profile cases.

904
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Speaker 4: And so, you know, the most benign explanation I can

905
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Speaker 4: offer for that is that this is a lot of documents,

906
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Speaker 4: it really was, and that they were overworked and they

907
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Speaker 4: did not perform their job as they were supposed to.

908
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Speaker 4: That's a benign explanation. And there are you know, a

909
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Speaker 4: progression of less thninne explanations you can offer, including that

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Speaker 4: there were documents that had potentially damaged information about President

911
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: Trump in them that were not fully disclosed for you know,

912
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Speaker 4: obvious reasons, which is they want to protect the president.

913
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Speaker 4: We haven't seen evidence that that was the intent. We

914
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Speaker 4: have seen evidence that that was the effect. You know,

915
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Speaker 4: certainly with this administration, as you said in an act

916
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Speaker 4: of understatement, they have not been very lot of stuff.

917
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Speaker 4: So you know, this leaves a lot to the imagination.

918
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Speaker 4: And I don't really know exactly what the mission here

919
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Speaker 4: was by the Trump administration, if this was a deliberate

920
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Speaker 4: effort to sweep THEMS under the rug, or if that

921
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Speaker 4: was in some cases just the effect. But the truth

922
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Speaker 4: is that there is a huge volume of stuff we

923
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Speaker 4: have just not seen, and I'm not sure what the

924
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Speaker 4: odds are that we ever will see it.

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Speaker 1: You have written extensively about the videos, the pinhole cameras.

926
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Speaker 1: Maria Farmer mentioned that to me too, So my question

927
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Speaker 1: is pinhole cameras, Where are the videos?

928
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

929
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. And this is another baffling one. And

930
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Speaker 4: there the Justice Department, in documents that we've seen, denies

931
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Speaker 4: that there were hidden video cameras in his apartments. We

932
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Speaker 4: even before these files came out last summer, we got

933
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Speaker 4: a leak of information at the Times, and we published

934
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Speaker 4: photos from inside Epstein's house in twenty nineteen that showed

935
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Speaker 4: the cameras. So the notion that there were no cameras

936
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Speaker 4: is just lastly not true. We've also found emails in

937
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Speaker 4: this file, in these files where Epstein is directing one

938
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Speaker 4: of his employees to go procure hidden cameras which he

939
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Speaker 4: hides in kleenexbox. So the notion that they were not

940
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Speaker 4: hidden cameras, that is just provably wrong. And now does

941
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Speaker 4: that mean the video exists? It does not. I mean,

942
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Speaker 4: I think it would lead a reasonable person to assume

943
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Speaker 4: that they were reprising videos somewhere. We have not seen those.

944
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Speaker 4: You know, is it's possible that Epstein destroyed them. It's

945
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Speaker 4: possible he just had these cameras set up. They weren't

946
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Speaker 4: even plugged in. It's also possible that the Justice Department

947
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Speaker 4: has stuff that they, for one reason or another, are

948
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Speaker 4: not releasing. And I don't really know how to handicap

949
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Speaker 4: those odds. What I can tell you definitively, and what

950
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Speaker 4: we've written is that the cameras existed, and the Justice

951
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Speaker 4: Department statements and that cameras did not exist.

952
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Speaker 1: Is false, right, And I have one last question for you,

953
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: and this is like just a gas, but I want

954
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Speaker 1: you to make this gas okay. And if you don't

955
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Speaker 1: feel like my favorite, you don't have to. But from

956
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Speaker 1: what you've seen, how do you think jeff Epstein got

957
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Speaker 1: so rich?

958
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Speaker 4: Oh, he is a thief and a con man like

959
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: he is like one of history's great swindlers. He lied,

960
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 4: he deceived, he misled, he stole. So that's the main answer.

961
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Speaker 4: The kind of tertiary answer is that he also was

962
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Speaker 4: very close with some very rich men who had every

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Speaker 4: incentive to keep him happy. And there's in a situation

964
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Speaker 4: like that when someone is paying you millions and millions

965
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Speaker 4: of dollars and you are witnessing their kind of innermost

966
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Speaker 4: kind of when deeply entwined with them personally as well

967
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Speaker 4: as professionally, you can imagine many circumstances where those people

968
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Speaker 4: feel that it is in their interest to keep paying,

969
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 4: keep letting him steal. Because the worst thing in the world,

970
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Speaker 4: from your perspective, is if you make an enemy out

971
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Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein and he uses whatever leverage he might

972
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Speaker 4: have against you.

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Speaker 1: David, thank you, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 4: You always, my pleasure, no moment.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon Molli, John fastov Do you remember this fashionable fellow, Greg.

976
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Bovino dressed like a Nazi?

977
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let me recap what's happened since he's left Minnesota.

978
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: There's been reports of getting thrown out of bars for

979
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Speaker 2: being too drunk. He flirted with a journalist using the

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00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: speaking voice of a character from The Walking Dead.

981
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Speaker 1: It's very sexy. Women love that.

982
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Speaker 2: I mean, people do find that guy attractive. But he

983
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Speaker 2: doesn't look like Greg Boveto anyway. He's now under criminal investigation.

984
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Can you guess why?

985
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Speaker 3: Now?

986
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Speaker 1: Tell me?

987
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: He threw a guest canister at citizens.

988
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: Very unsurprising use of chemical irritants during the Homeland securities

989
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis is among seventeen criminal investigations

990
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: now underway in Minneapolis. This is the local law enforcement

991
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Speaker 1: doing what federal will not. By the way, in case

992
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: you're wondering the chances that a grand jury convicts Greg

993
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: Bolvino versus the Sandwich guy, my guess is pretty high.

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Speaker 2: I like this.

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