WEBVTT - They Call Him Zombie Boy 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.840 and Mild from Aaron Manky listener Discretion is advised. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.480 What If You Could make a ghost? In nineteen seventy two, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:21.200 an experiment conducted by a Toronto based parapsychological association led 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.360 by mathematical geneticist doctor A. R. Owen and overseen by 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.400 psychologist doctor Joel Whitten, attempted to determine if that was 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.920 indeed possible. The test group consisted of folks like the 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.760 former chairperson of Menza, a few engineers, a sociology student, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.519 an accountant, and a bookkeeper. Together, the group invented a 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:48.559 fictional character named Philip Aylesford. His made up background included 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.920 being described as a seventeenth century English aristocrat who lived 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.120 during the reign of Oliver Cromwell. His story included a 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.160 tragic love affair, an unjust execution of his beloved, and 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.400 his eventual suicide. The participants, who were aware that Philip 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:09.160 was a creation of their imagination, conducted regular seance type sessions. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:14.040 They attempted to communicate with Philip. Through these sessions, reciting 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.760 his history over and over over time. Various phenomenas such 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.120 as raps and knocks in response to questions, and movements 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.959 of the table were interpreted as Philip's presence and interaction, 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.160 despite knowing he was not real. The experiment suggested that 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:36.560 a group's collective belief and focused intent could induce intelligent, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:42.400 interactive paranormal activity, which raised the question could paranormal phenomena 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:48.960 be attributed to psychological or unconscious processes rather than well ghosts. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:02:01.720 I'm Amy Brunei and this is Haunted Road. On Plymouth 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.240 Street in Middleborough, Massachusetts. A Georgian style two story house 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.239 sits behind a wide lawn. It's surrounded by leafy trees 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.480 and green grass, with some distance between the front door 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.240 and the street. This house, known as the Oliver House, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.080 has a row of four windows framing the first floor entrance, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.160 which sits between two white columns. Five more windows dot 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.960 the top floor. The yellow walls and black and white 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.520 shutters and trim give it a classic homey look. It's 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.600 easy to imagine people gathering here for a tea party 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.799 in the colonial era. Similar period details mark the inside 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.880 of the house, which has historically accurate furniture, separate parlors 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:48.600 for men and women, and numerous bedrooms for the house's owners, children, governesses, 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.040 and enslaved people. The floors are made of wood, as 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.079 are the doors and some molding. According to a twenty 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:59.160 fourteen assessment by McKinley, Castlow and Associates, Inc. The home 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.200 has a private life iibar and multiple fireplaces that end 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.920 in two brick chimneys. The kitchen and carriage house are 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.560 comparatively newer than the rest of the structure. These additions 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.080 were put up sometime around the early eighteen hundreds. The 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.600 Oliver House sits on a fifty four acre estate about 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.120 a mile from downtown Middleborough. As if it wasn't obvious 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.080 from all the descriptions I already gave, this town was 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.320 founded in the mid sixteen hundreds as a British colony, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.520 but its dark history goes much further back than that. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:36.280 Before European colonists derived in Massachusetts, the Wampanogue people lived there. However, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.200 in the early seventeenth century, a deadly epidemic swept through 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.200 the region. The indigenous people called it the Great Dying, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.440 which speaks to how many lives were lost to the disease. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.040 The Wampanoge people who survived the outbreak remained in the 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.440 region that could later become Middleborough, but it was an 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.880 influx of European settlers who helped make the area flourish financially. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.280 A lot of men manufacturing facilities sprouted up in town, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.920 particularly for shoemakers, and today Middleborough is the home to 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.200 the Ocean Spray Cranberry's headquarters. The Oliver House was built 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.280 in seventeen sixty nine for an engaged couple named Peter 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.880 Oliver Junior and Sally Hutchinson. It was dubbed the Small 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.880 Oliver House to differentiate it from another larger and more 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.719 impressive building that sat nearby, Oliver Hall. According to rumor, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.159 both of these were built not too far from a 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.800 hill that had once been a Wampanog burial ground. Peter 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.080 and Sally were married right around the time that the 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.880 house was completed. Their wedding was a massive society affair, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.440 drawing guests from all over the world, which is unsurprising 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.279 given that both came from wealthy and powerful families. Sally's 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.840 father was the Governor of Massachusetts, while Peter's father sat 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.400 on the Supreme Court. Given their political ties, it was 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.400 only a matter of time before Peter and Sally would 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.440 find themselves caught up in a brewing revolt. See. In 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:06.160 seventeen seventy three, Benjamin Franklin visited the Oliver House. Officially, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.760 he was there as the guest of honor at a 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.640 party that had been thrown for him, but it's believed 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.240 that the Olivers and their friends, all of whom were 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.159 loyal to the British, were trying to halt the coming 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:22.479 American Revolution in its tracks. Franklin was a very influential figure, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.240 and the Crown's loyalists may have hoped that if they 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.360 could recruit him to their side, the whole rebellion would 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.680 fall apart without him. Instead, this visit may have only 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.359 heightened the tension between the revolutionaries and those who supported 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.839 British rule. According to rumor, while Franklin was at the 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.920 Oliver House, he somehow got his hands on some letters 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.880 that had been exchanged between Sally's father, Governor Hutchinson, and 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.680 her husband Peter. In them, they discussed calling on the 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.000 British army to violently put down the revolution before it 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.960 could go any further. Some people believe Franklin found these 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.560 letters while he was digging around in sally closet. Others 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.599 say an unidentified chambermaid gave them to him, but most 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.560 historians think Franklin received these letters several months before he 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.240 ever set foot in the Oliver House. However, he got them. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.360 Franklin passed the letters along to future US President John Adams, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.800 who published them in the Boston Gazette. This only outraged 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.599 the general public and pushed the colonists one step closer 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.760 to war. In seventeen seventy four, during the fallout from 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.480 the so called Hutchinson Letters affair, Sally's brother was run 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.359 out of town and her father, the governor, fled the country. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.200 That same year, Peter's father was impeached and lost his 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.200 position as a judge. It became a frequent occurrence for 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:49.000 angry mobs to gather outside the Oliver House, threatening Peter, Sally, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.680 and their three children. Eventually, the whole family escaped to Boston, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.400 and from there they sailed to England. They got away 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.120 just in time. During the Revolutionary they wore Oliver Hall, 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.000 that larger, more impressive home that led to the Oliver 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.039 House's nickname as the Small Oliver House, burned to the ground. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.480 Although the small and now only Oliver House survived. At 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.560 one point, revolutionaries seized it and auctioned it off to 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.720 raise funds for the war effort. After passing from owner 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.480 to owner in the early eighteen hundreds, the house was 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.240 home to a couple named Thomas and Abigail Sadly, they 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.240 lost many children during their time there, and only two 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:34.400 survived to adulthood. Their daughter, Bethania sprote inherited the house 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.000 after her father's death, only for tragedy to befall her 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.880 family as well. In eighteen forty one, her two year 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.040 old daughter Abby died after a kettle filled with boiling 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.280 water fell on her. Months later, Bethania lost her unborn 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.520 child in a miscarriage. Then three years after that, in 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.360 eighteen forty four, another of her children died young. This 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.400 time it was pneumonia that claimed his life. Bethania's husband, Earle, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.800 was stricken with tuberculosis in eighteen sixty four. He grew sicker, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.800 and once it was clear that the end was near, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:12.600 a local reverend named mister Putnam reportedly came to visit him. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.720 An article called The Peter Oliver House by Michael J. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.040 Madigan says that Putnam wanted Earle to make his peace 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.720 with God before he passed away. But as the story goes, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.920 Earle didn't want the reverend's help. According to Madigan, Earle said, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.960 in all my business relations in life, I never have 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.280 traded much with the middleman. I have always bought my 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.440 goods at wholesale. It now looks as though I shall 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.000 see the Lord before you will, and I can no 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.520 doubt patch it up a good deal better than when 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.240 I get there and see him, then I can with you. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.640 According to the story, the reverend had nothing to say 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.440 to that, He silently left the room, and Earle passed 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.560 away a short while later. His death came in the 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.240 midst of another national conflict, and just as the Oliver 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.960 House had played a key role during the Revolutionary War, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.000 It's rumored that before or during the Civil War, it 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.319 was a stop on the underground railroad. Supposedly, enslaved people 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.000 who were fleeing from Southern States could hide from the 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.880 authorities in a hidden chamber just behind the first floor fireplace, 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.800 and when they were ready to move on to the 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.200 next stop, they could leave the house unseen, using an 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.800 underground tunnel that connected the cellar to the local Namasket River. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.319 It's worth noting that while the hideaway behind the fireplace 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.000 is real, there's no evidence that it was ever used 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.840 to shelter formerly enslaved people, and if that underground tunnel 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.400 ever existed, all signs of it have disappeared by today. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.120 As for the residents, they sold the house in eighteen 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.400 ninety three. The home sold again in nineteen forty five, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.439 and the new buyer was a man named Peter Oliver. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.880 It was no mistake that he shared a name with 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.079 the man who originally built and lived in the house. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.720 This Peter Oliver was a distant relative of the initial 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.440 Peter Oliver. The twentieth century, Peter restored the house to 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.520 its original state for the most part. He made some improvements, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.880 including adding electricity, indoor plumbing, and perhaps most importantly, bathrooms. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.520 In twenty fifteen, the house was in a much more 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.600 livable state when it was sold to the City of Middleborough. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.800 This was part of a preservation effort not only to 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.480 save the historic house, but also to protect the woodlands 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.200 around the property and all the plants and animals that 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.840 lived there. Today, the house operates as a historical museum. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.960 It's open for public tours, including ghost tours. It's unsurprising 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.240 that with so many lives lost within its walls, the 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.880 Oliver House is haunted, and visitors generally agree that the 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.439 spirits there are mostly friendly. They reportedly make their presence 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.040 known by moving items around, and on at least one occasion, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.439 a painting fell off of a wall, as if some 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.040 invisible force had knocked it down. There is also video 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.640 evidence that shows a bar across a door in the 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.800 kitchen seemingly moving on its own, and mysterious photographs are abundant. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.880 At different times, people captured pictures of faces peering out 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.080 windows or of an entity that has been dubbed Zombie Boy. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.080 The nickname comes from his grayskin and visible injuries all 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.480 over his face. There are a lot of theories about 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.640 Zombie Boy's origins, including that he may have died in 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.120 a car accident and that his spirit somehow became trapped 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.520 in the house afterward. That last idea came from ghost 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.680 tour manager Christy Parrish, who gave an interview to the 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.120 Ghost Hunting in New England podcast. Famously, on an episode 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:40.400 of a little show called Kindred Spirits, Adam and I 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.120 discussed that zombie Boy could be a manifestation of so 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.880 many staff and investigators referring to him and giving him 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.840 an identity that included a horribly scarred face, drawing on 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.400 the Philip experiment. Through an evening of seance like interactions, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.600 we gave Zombie Boy additional fictional attributes, including that his 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.440 father was a Civil War hero and the entire town 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.640 had a parade for him when he died, and that 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.120 Zombie Boy perished after falling from a horse, and, in 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.480 a personal homage to one of my favorite movies, Practical Magic, 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.600 that he had one green eye and one blue. Shortly after, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:21.920 we received evidence including EVPs, communicating these attributes. Additionally, Psychic 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.719 Chip Coffee from hundreds of miles away called to tell 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.800 us he was picking up on a spirit with a 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.760 heavy Civil War connection. Visitors often say they feel as 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.080 though they're being watched when they're in the home, and 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.640 they may spot shadow figures in the basement or hear 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.760 footsteps in areas where they don't seem to be any 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.040 people around. Like in many other haunted locations, fully charged 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.240 electrical devices tend to lose all of their power much 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.720 more rapidly than they should. At the Oliver House, one 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.840 interesting story came from a tour guide who was taking 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.720 some visitors around the Oliver House when he spotted a 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.600 woman in an eighteenth century dress. At first, this didn't 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.959 strike him is particularly odd. Many of the people who 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.880 volunteered on site wore period costumes, so his initial thought 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.480 was that she was there to work. But then the 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:14.359 tour guide noticed that something was off about this woman's appearance. Specifically, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.439 according to an article with the impact called Secrets of 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.240 the Oliver House, this eighteenth century woman had unnaturally large eyes. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.880 They didn't even look human. While the tour guide stared 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.840 at the woman in shock, she put a finger to 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.160 her lips, the way you do when you're shushing someone. Then, 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.840 without another word, she walked backward, passing right through the 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.680 wall behind her. Visitors sometimes feel as though a young 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.280 child is grabbing their hand, but when they glance down, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.840 there's no children nearby. On one occasion, a young girl 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.160 went on a tour of the home only to announce 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.640 to all the adults that she was having a great 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.320 time playing with the little boy she was with. The 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.800 Only problem, none of the grown ups had a boy 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.280 with them, and no one could see the girl's companion. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.920 Some people believe these childish ghosts or some of the 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.640 sprote children who died in the house. Of course, it's 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.800 always hard to identify the spirits in any haunted location, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.720 but the Oliver House is unique, as some people believe 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.880 they've identified one clear feature that could explain how it 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.040 came to be so active. The house is in the 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.520 Bridgewater Triangle. According to cryptozoologist Lauren Coleman, this is a 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.440 small strip of land in Massachusetts where UFO sightings, encounters 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.720 with strange creatures, and other paranormal activities are extremely common. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.640 All to say that from a certain perspective, the Oliver 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.000 House isn't that unique. It's one of many active hotbeds 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.280 in the region. But just because there are countless unexplained 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.680 incidents in the triangle, that doesn't make the spectral figures 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.200 at the Oliver House any less important and their stories 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:51.200 aren't any less meaningful. That's why today I am talking 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.240 to Adam Barry and Richard Estep. Richard has spent a 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.840 considerable amount of time researching and investigating the home, as 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.280 has mister Barry, so welcome back to the program Richard 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:28.520 and Adam Berry. Well, hello there, guys, we welcome back. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.440 Welcome to Haunted Road. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.360 We're gonna going to have to share the two microphones 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.960 and three of us. I'm going to say, are you 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.960 going to let Richard talk to that? I'm going to 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.000 put my back to him. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.040 Listeners, I'm gonna put my back to him and he 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.720 can just speak over my shoulder like this. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.480 Imagine this a rebellious colonial. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.160 See there it is. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.760 I look at that. It is only fitting right. So 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.800 the Oliver House is a very interesting haunt to me. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.600 I've only investigated it the one time that we were 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.760 there with Kindred, but we were there for three nights, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.360 so I've had quite a bit of time there. Let's 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.760 start with Richard really quick. Richard, what is your history 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.200 with the Oliver House in particular? 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.400 I'm not gonna hold it for you though, I'm not 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.720 gonna you take it from me here, thank you, Adam. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.160 My history is that it's an ongoing book project I'm 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.760 working on with doctor Joe mcgoggan, and I was given 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.640 the opportunity to go stay in that region and investigate 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.760 the Oliver House for the course of several days and nights, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.760 and we'll do return visits trying to delve into its mysteries. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.320 You guys know this better than anyone. That place is 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.600 like peeling back the lairs of an onion, and just 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.960 when you think you have a part of the story down, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.560 you realize there's a whole other level beneath it to uncover. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:44.280 Right exactly, I mean, there's it's a multifaceted hunt. I 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.080 would say a lot of people don't know this, but 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.560 Adam Barry actually went hunting for puck quadgies while we 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.080 were there. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.280 I did. I think I was forced to. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.920 No, I didn't go. I was seated inside the nice, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.000 cool house. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.560 Well, I think the reason why we decided to do 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.520 that is we cover our bases on every case. So, yes, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.159 we were dealing with what we thought might be in Agrigor. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.560 But also, you know, if you ever get a chance 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.879 to go look for a puck wedgie, don't do it. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.200 But I did because I wanted to see if it 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.440 played into the investigation at all. Because the grounds are significant. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.880 They talk about activity that happens on the grounds, They're 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.600 pretty widespread, they're large. So I FaceTime with Greg Newkirk, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:39.000 our friend Greg Newkirk, and I said, so, if if 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.800 one were to go look for puck wedgies, what should 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:47.880 What should one do? And he said I wouldn't. He says, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.760 but if you have to, which you do, leave an 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.800 offering of some kind, some sort of like fruit nuts, honey, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.840 something to show that you mean well. And I was like, okay. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.640 So I got some fruit nuts and honey and we 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.920 went out into the woods and I remember feeling, you know, uneasy, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.320 because you're in the woods at night, and I'm thinking, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.160 I'm going to get attacked by an animal. I don't 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.640 know what it's going to be. And I bent down 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.600 and I put out the strawberries and the honey and 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.080 I drizzled it over. You know, some aunt's going to 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.720 love this, but I put it out and I'm sitting 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.840 there and you know, I know I'm older than I 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.720 used to be, but I did that thing where I 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.199 was standing up and I wasn't doing anything crazy, and 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.600 I felt like I had gotten stabbed, like in my back, 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.480 and you guys are going to be like, it's his sciatica. 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.119 But it was very strange and I didn't know what 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.919 it was, and I was like, oh God, what was that. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.399 And then it got really weird and the camera ops 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.679 were like, you know, Andy was standing there and we 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.679 were all like trying to film and I was like, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.399 turn off the lights, turn off the lanterns, and he's like, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:02.720 I'm not gonna be able to see if we turned 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.800 I was like, turn him off, and he turned him off, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.919 and you could hear something sort of shuffling around us. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.520 Now it could have been a bear, but not really. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.560 It was not there, not there, but it just seemed 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.439 really weird. It seemed very strange, and everyone in that 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.399 space was like, something is weird, something is off, and I, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.240 you know, I didn't actually I wasn't looking. I wasn't 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.680 saying please, Puck Wedgy come play with me or come 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.080 hang out. Don't think they'd play like Grimlins or something. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.760 I was like, don't do that. But uh, I just 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.280 said I'm here to offer it just in case you're here, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.119 you know. And I left it at that, and I 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.840 felt like maybe they attacked me. I got attacked by 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.960 a Puckway your hurting for a while. It was it 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.480 was weird. Oh and and what else happened? Isn't that 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.480 the case where other things got happened? Like things got 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.760 canceled for our crew, like somebody or that different or 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.040 will we curse a different time? 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.600 I don't know there was an other case or of 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.920 your curse for everyone was But Richard, what do you 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:05.960 think of the Bridgewater Triangle connection there? 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.000 Well, I will say to Adam's a braver man than 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.200 I am, because I'm often asked have you ever fled 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.919 from a location in fear? And the Oliver House I 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.960 can reveal is the only place I have because, like Adam, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.439 though for different reasons, we did go out into the 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.280 ground surrounding the Oliver House. And anyone who knows me 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.480 knows that I have no dress sense whatsoever. Again, unlike 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.800 mister Barry, who's always dapper, I always I owned about 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.720 ten pairs of caky cargo pants as I have on today. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.160 Three minutes into those woods, I look down and I said, 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:40.000 is that a tick? 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.000 Oh? Welcome to Massachusetts, Welcome to New England. 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.639 Visions of horror. I was back into that house and 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.800 out of those woods like a shot. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.400 So New Brits. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.919 Well, I'm going to digress. But Adam Berry literally carries 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.280 a tick card in his wallet. I don't whatever ticks 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.920 are on the same So really, yeah, yeah. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.520 We live in New England and you need to know 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.919 that a tiny, tiny, little, tiny ticks. Those are the 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.600 ones that carry the disease. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.199 Well, I come from Old England and ticks terrify me. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.600 So I will call you next time there's one on 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:20.640 my pants, just thinking. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:25.199 Okay, Well, dix aside, did you research at all the 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.160 connection between the location of the house, like being in 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.720 the Bridgewater Triangle and did you come up with an 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:32.400 either did you find that interesting or. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.959 I did find that interesting. The Bridgewater Triangle is an 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.560 interesting concept, but you also have things like King Phillip's 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.919 War took place in I believe sixteen seventy five, so 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.800 you have this very bloody history in the region and 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.800 on the grounds as well. You know, the whole the 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.919 issue with Oliver Hole being burned to the ground and 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.280 the fact that the Olivers were staunch loyalists and a 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.120 lot of strong emotion back there and back then as well. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.200 So I don't know that you need the Bridgewater Triangle 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.560 as an explanation. You can look closer to home to 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:04.840 explain some of this haunting. 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.359 Yeah, no, that makes sense. So did you have any 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:12.000 activity there, any memorable experiences while you were there? 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.840 Yeah? I found it. I found the Oliver House to 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.800 be very comfortable, atmosphere, which doesn't mean they're on ghosts 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:22.000 or it isn't haunted because I wore a red coat 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.199 and sash, which seemed appropriate, and I did not plan this. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.840 I wish I was this smart, But we had gone 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.920 right after the anniversary of the shop that was heard 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.199 around the world, so the outbreak of the war in 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.840 Lexington and Concord. In fact, they had been re enacting 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.679 that weekend. I took a board game with me that 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.360 was a revolutionary war board game, and I would make 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.200 moves and invite whoever the spirits in the house were 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.040 leave it out overnight, I would invite them to make 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.159 a move, you know, for the American side. That didn't happen, 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.159 But what we did have was one of the security 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.240 cameras at about four twenty seven in the morning. These 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.560 cameras are activated by motion. One of the cameras just 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.600 activated in that room. It pivots as though it's trying 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.080 to track in on something. It's focusing and unfocusing. You 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.679 hear what sounds like conversation going on in an empty 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:12.720 house and then it went dead. 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.919 That's wild. Yeah, we definitely heard a lot of chatter 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.200 in that house. Actually, in other rooms, like we would 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:21.760 be in one room and you would hear like full 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.800 conversation happening in another room. So, now, mister Barry, you've 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.960 been there. I don't know why I'm calling you mister 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:28.520 Barry today. 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.720