Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener Discretion is advised.
Speaker 2: What If You Could make a ghost? In nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 2: an experiment conducted by a Toronto based parapsychological association led
Speaker 2: by mathematical geneticist doctor A. R. Owen and overseen by
Speaker 2: psychologist doctor Joel Whitten, attempted to determine if that was
Speaker 2: indeed possible. The test group consisted of folks like the
Speaker 2: former chairperson of Menza, a few engineers, a sociology student,
Speaker 2: an accountant, and a bookkeeper. Together, the group invented a
Speaker 2: fictional character named Philip Aylesford. His made up background included
Speaker 2: being described as a seventeenth century English aristocrat who lived
Speaker 2: during the reign of Oliver Cromwell. His story included a
Speaker 2: tragic love affair, an unjust execution of his beloved, and
Speaker 2: his eventual suicide. The participants, who were aware that Philip
Speaker 2: was a creation of their imagination, conducted regular seance type sessions.
Speaker 2: They attempted to communicate with Philip. Through these sessions, reciting
Speaker 2: his history over and over over time. Various phenomenas such
Speaker 2: as raps and knocks in response to questions, and movements
Speaker 2: of the table were interpreted as Philip's presence and interaction,
Speaker 2: despite knowing he was not real. The experiment suggested that
Speaker 2: a group's collective belief and focused intent could induce intelligent,
Speaker 2: interactive paranormal activity, which raised the question could paranormal phenomena
Speaker 2: be attributed to psychological or unconscious processes rather than well ghosts.
Speaker 2: I'm Amy Brunei and this is Haunted Road. On Plymouth
Speaker 2: Street in Middleborough, Massachusetts. A Georgian style two story house
Speaker 2: sits behind a wide lawn. It's surrounded by leafy trees
Speaker 2: and green grass, with some distance between the front door
Speaker 2: and the street. This house, known as the Oliver House,
Speaker 2: has a row of four windows framing the first floor entrance,
Speaker 2: which sits between two white columns. Five more windows dot
Speaker 2: the top floor. The yellow walls and black and white
Speaker 2: shutters and trim give it a classic homey look. It's
Speaker 2: easy to imagine people gathering here for a tea party
Speaker 2: in the colonial era. Similar period details mark the inside
Speaker 2: of the house, which has historically accurate furniture, separate parlors
Speaker 2: for men and women, and numerous bedrooms for the house's owners, children, governesses,
Speaker 2: and enslaved people. The floors are made of wood, as
Speaker 2: are the doors and some molding. According to a twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen assessment by McKinley, Castlow and Associates, Inc. The home
Speaker 2: has a private life iibar and multiple fireplaces that end
Speaker 2: in two brick chimneys. The kitchen and carriage house are
Speaker 2: comparatively newer than the rest of the structure. These additions
Speaker 2: were put up sometime around the early eighteen hundreds. The
Speaker 2: Oliver House sits on a fifty four acre estate about
Speaker 2: a mile from downtown Middleborough. As if it wasn't obvious
Speaker 2: from all the descriptions I already gave, this town was
Speaker 2: founded in the mid sixteen hundreds as a British colony,
Speaker 2: but its dark history goes much further back than that.
Speaker 2: Before European colonists derived in Massachusetts, the Wampanogue people lived there. However,
Speaker 2: in the early seventeenth century, a deadly epidemic swept through
Speaker 2: the region. The indigenous people called it the Great Dying,
Speaker 2: which speaks to how many lives were lost to the disease.
Speaker 2: The Wampanoge people who survived the outbreak remained in the
Speaker 2: region that could later become Middleborough, but it was an
Speaker 2: influx of European settlers who helped make the area flourish financially.
Speaker 2: A lot of men manufacturing facilities sprouted up in town,
Speaker 2: particularly for shoemakers, and today Middleborough is the home to
Speaker 2: the Ocean Spray Cranberry's headquarters. The Oliver House was built
Speaker 2: in seventeen sixty nine for an engaged couple named Peter
Speaker 2: Oliver Junior and Sally Hutchinson. It was dubbed the Small
Speaker 2: Oliver House to differentiate it from another larger and more
Speaker 2: impressive building that sat nearby, Oliver Hall. According to rumor,
Speaker 2: both of these were built not too far from a
Speaker 2: hill that had once been a Wampanog burial ground. Peter
Speaker 2: and Sally were married right around the time that the
Speaker 2: house was completed. Their wedding was a massive society affair,
Speaker 2: drawing guests from all over the world, which is unsurprising
Speaker 2: given that both came from wealthy and powerful families. Sally's
Speaker 2: father was the Governor of Massachusetts, while Peter's father sat
Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court. Given their political ties, it was
Speaker 2: only a matter of time before Peter and Sally would
Speaker 2: find themselves caught up in a brewing revolt. See. In
Speaker 2: seventeen seventy three, Benjamin Franklin visited the Oliver House. Officially,
Speaker 2: he was there as the guest of honor at a
Speaker 2: party that had been thrown for him, but it's believed
Speaker 2: that the Olivers and their friends, all of whom were
Speaker 2: loyal to the British, were trying to halt the coming
Speaker 2: American Revolution in its tracks. Franklin was a very influential figure,
Speaker 2: and the Crown's loyalists may have hoped that if they
Speaker 2: could recruit him to their side, the whole rebellion would
Speaker 2: fall apart without him. Instead, this visit may have only
Speaker 2: heightened the tension between the revolutionaries and those who supported
Speaker 2: British rule. According to rumor, while Franklin was at the
Speaker 2: Oliver House, he somehow got his hands on some letters
Speaker 2: that had been exchanged between Sally's father, Governor Hutchinson, and
Speaker 2: her husband Peter. In them, they discussed calling on the
Speaker 2: British army to violently put down the revolution before it
Speaker 2: could go any further. Some people believe Franklin found these
Speaker 2: letters while he was digging around in sally closet. Others
Speaker 2: say an unidentified chambermaid gave them to him, but most
Speaker 2: historians think Franklin received these letters several months before he
Speaker 2: ever set foot in the Oliver House. However, he got them.
Speaker 2: Franklin passed the letters along to future US President John Adams,
Speaker 2: who published them in the Boston Gazette. This only outraged
Speaker 2: the general public and pushed the colonists one step closer
Speaker 2: to war. In seventeen seventy four, during the fallout from
Speaker 2: the so called Hutchinson Letters affair, Sally's brother was run
Speaker 2: out of town and her father, the governor, fled the country.
Speaker 2: That same year, Peter's father was impeached and lost his
Speaker 2: position as a judge. It became a frequent occurrence for
Speaker 2: angry mobs to gather outside the Oliver House, threatening Peter, Sally,
Speaker 2: and their three children. Eventually, the whole family escaped to Boston,
Speaker 2: and from there they sailed to England. They got away
Speaker 2: just in time. During the Revolutionary they wore Oliver Hall,
Speaker 2: that larger, more impressive home that led to the Oliver
Speaker 2: House's nickname as the Small Oliver House, burned to the ground.
Speaker 2: Although the small and now only Oliver House survived. At
Speaker 2: one point, revolutionaries seized it and auctioned it off to
Speaker 2: raise funds for the war effort. After passing from owner
Speaker 2: to owner in the early eighteen hundreds, the house was
Speaker 2: home to a couple named Thomas and Abigail Sadly, they
Speaker 2: lost many children during their time there, and only two
Speaker 2: survived to adulthood. Their daughter, Bethania sprote inherited the house
Speaker 2: after her father's death, only for tragedy to befall her
Speaker 2: family as well. In eighteen forty one, her two year
Speaker 2: old daughter Abby died after a kettle filled with boiling
Speaker 2: water fell on her. Months later, Bethania lost her unborn
Speaker 2: child in a miscarriage. Then three years after that, in
Speaker 2: eighteen forty four, another of her children died young. This
Speaker 2: time it was pneumonia that claimed his life. Bethania's husband, Earle,
Speaker 2: was stricken with tuberculosis in eighteen sixty four. He grew sicker,
Speaker 2: and once it was clear that the end was near,
Speaker 2: a local reverend named mister Putnam reportedly came to visit him.
Speaker 2: An article called The Peter Oliver House by Michael J.
Speaker 2: Madigan says that Putnam wanted Earle to make his peace
Speaker 2: with God before he passed away. But as the story goes,
Speaker 2: Earle didn't want the reverend's help. According to Madigan, Earle said,
Speaker 2: in all my business relations in life, I never have
Speaker 2: traded much with the middleman. I have always bought my
Speaker 2: goods at wholesale. It now looks as though I shall
Speaker 2: see the Lord before you will, and I can no
Speaker 2: doubt patch it up a good deal better than when
Speaker 2: I get there and see him, then I can with you.
Speaker 2: According to the story, the reverend had nothing to say
Speaker 2: to that, He silently left the room, and Earle passed
Speaker 2: away a short while later. His death came in the
Speaker 2: midst of another national conflict, and just as the Oliver
Speaker 2: House had played a key role during the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 2: It's rumored that before or during the Civil War, it
Speaker 2: was a stop on the underground railroad. Supposedly, enslaved people
Speaker 2: who were fleeing from Southern States could hide from the
Speaker 2: authorities in a hidden chamber just behind the first floor fireplace,
Speaker 2: and when they were ready to move on to the
Speaker 2: next stop, they could leave the house unseen, using an
Speaker 2: underground tunnel that connected the cellar to the local Namasket River.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting that while the hideaway behind the fireplace
Speaker 2: is real, there's no evidence that it was ever used
Speaker 2: to shelter formerly enslaved people, and if that underground tunnel
Speaker 2: ever existed, all signs of it have disappeared by today.
Speaker 2: As for the residents, they sold the house in eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety three. The home sold again in nineteen forty five,
Speaker 2: and the new buyer was a man named Peter Oliver.
Speaker 2: It was no mistake that he shared a name with
Speaker 2: the man who originally built and lived in the house.
Speaker 2: This Peter Oliver was a distant relative of the initial
Speaker 2: Peter Oliver. The twentieth century, Peter restored the house to
Speaker 2: its original state for the most part. He made some improvements,
Speaker 2: including adding electricity, indoor plumbing, and perhaps most importantly, bathrooms.
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, the house was in a much more
Speaker 2: livable state when it was sold to the City of Middleborough.
Speaker 2: This was part of a preservation effort not only to
Speaker 2: save the historic house, but also to protect the woodlands
Speaker 2: around the property and all the plants and animals that
Speaker 2: lived there. Today, the house operates as a historical museum.
Speaker 2: It's open for public tours, including ghost tours. It's unsurprising
Speaker 2: that with so many lives lost within its walls, the
Speaker 2: Oliver House is haunted, and visitors generally agree that the
Speaker 2: spirits there are mostly friendly. They reportedly make their presence
Speaker 2: known by moving items around, and on at least one occasion,
Speaker 2: a painting fell off of a wall, as if some
Speaker 2: invisible force had knocked it down. There is also video
Speaker 2: evidence that shows a bar across a door in the
Speaker 2: kitchen seemingly moving on its own, and mysterious photographs are abundant.
Speaker 2: At different times, people captured pictures of faces peering out
Speaker 2: windows or of an entity that has been dubbed Zombie Boy.
Speaker 2: The nickname comes from his grayskin and visible injuries all
Speaker 2: over his face. There are a lot of theories about
Speaker 2: Zombie Boy's origins, including that he may have died in
Speaker 2: a car accident and that his spirit somehow became trapped
Speaker 2: in the house afterward. That last idea came from ghost
Speaker 2: tour manager Christy Parrish, who gave an interview to the
Speaker 2: Ghost Hunting in New England podcast. Famously, on an episode
Speaker 2: of a little show called Kindred Spirits, Adam and I
Speaker 2: discussed that zombie Boy could be a manifestation of so
Speaker 2: many staff and investigators referring to him and giving him
Speaker 2: an identity that included a horribly scarred face, drawing on
Speaker 2: the Philip experiment. Through an evening of seance like interactions,
Speaker 2: we gave Zombie Boy additional fictional attributes, including that his
Speaker 2: father was a Civil War hero and the entire town
Speaker 2: had a parade for him when he died, and that
Speaker 2: Zombie Boy perished after falling from a horse, and, in
Speaker 2: a personal homage to one of my favorite movies, Practical Magic,
Speaker 2: that he had one green eye and one blue. Shortly after,
Speaker 2: we received evidence including EVPs, communicating these attributes. Additionally, Psychic
Speaker 2: Chip Coffee from hundreds of miles away called to tell
Speaker 2: us he was picking up on a spirit with a
Speaker 2: heavy Civil War connection. Visitors often say they feel as
Speaker 2: though they're being watched when they're in the home, and
Speaker 2: they may spot shadow figures in the basement or hear
Speaker 2: footsteps in areas where they don't seem to be any
Speaker 2: people around. Like in many other haunted locations, fully charged
Speaker 2: electrical devices tend to lose all of their power much
Speaker 2: more rapidly than they should. At the Oliver House, one
Speaker 2: interesting story came from a tour guide who was taking
Speaker 2: some visitors around the Oliver House when he spotted a
Speaker 2: woman in an eighteenth century dress. At first, this didn't
Speaker 2: strike him is particularly odd. Many of the people who
Speaker 2: volunteered on site wore period costumes, so his initial thought
Speaker 2: was that she was there to work. But then the
Speaker 2: tour guide noticed that something was off about this woman's appearance. Specifically,
Speaker 2: according to an article with the impact called Secrets of
Speaker 2: the Oliver House, this eighteenth century woman had unnaturally large eyes.
Speaker 2: They didn't even look human. While the tour guide stared
Speaker 2: at the woman in shock, she put a finger to
Speaker 2: her lips, the way you do when you're shushing someone. Then,
Speaker 2: without another word, she walked backward, passing right through the
Speaker 2: wall behind her. Visitors sometimes feel as though a young
Speaker 2: child is grabbing their hand, but when they glance down,
Speaker 2: there's no children nearby. On one occasion, a young girl
Speaker 2: went on a tour of the home only to announce
Speaker 2: to all the adults that she was having a great
Speaker 2: time playing with the little boy she was with. The
Speaker 2: Only problem, none of the grown ups had a boy
Speaker 2: with them, and no one could see the girl's companion.
Speaker 2: Some people believe these childish ghosts or some of the
Speaker 2: sprote children who died in the house. Of course, it's
Speaker 2: always hard to identify the spirits in any haunted location,
Speaker 2: but the Oliver House is unique, as some people believe
Speaker 2: they've identified one clear feature that could explain how it
Speaker 2: came to be so active. The house is in the
Speaker 2: Bridgewater Triangle. According to cryptozoologist Lauren Coleman, this is a
Speaker 2: small strip of land in Massachusetts where UFO sightings, encounters
Speaker 2: with strange creatures, and other paranormal activities are extremely common.
Speaker 2: All to say that from a certain perspective, the Oliver
Speaker 2: House isn't that unique. It's one of many active hotbeds
Speaker 2: in the region. But just because there are countless unexplained
Speaker 2: incidents in the triangle, that doesn't make the spectral figures
Speaker 2: at the Oliver House any less important and their stories
Speaker 2: aren't any less meaningful. That's why today I am talking
Speaker 2: to Adam Barry and Richard Estep. Richard has spent a
Speaker 2: considerable amount of time researching and investigating the home, as
Speaker 2: has mister Barry, so welcome back to the program Richard
Speaker 2: and Adam Berry. Well, hello there, guys, we welcome back.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road.
Speaker 2: We're gonna going to have to share the two microphones
Speaker 2: and three of us. I'm going to say, are you
Speaker 2: going to let Richard talk to that? I'm going to
Speaker 2: put my back to him.
Speaker 1: Listeners, I'm gonna put my back to him and he
Speaker 1: can just speak over my shoulder like this.
Speaker 3: Imagine this a rebellious colonial.
Speaker 1: See there it is.
Speaker 2: I look at that. It is only fitting right. So
Speaker 2: the Oliver House is a very interesting haunt to me.
Speaker 2: I've only investigated it the one time that we were
Speaker 2: there with Kindred, but we were there for three nights,
Speaker 2: so I've had quite a bit of time there. Let's
Speaker 2: start with Richard really quick. Richard, what is your history
Speaker 2: with the Oliver House in particular?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold it for you though, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna you take it from me here, thank you, Adam.
Speaker 3: My history is that it's an ongoing book project I'm
Speaker 3: working on with doctor Joe mcgoggan, and I was given
Speaker 3: the opportunity to go stay in that region and investigate
Speaker 3: the Oliver House for the course of several days and nights,
Speaker 3: and we'll do return visits trying to delve into its mysteries.
Speaker 3: You guys know this better than anyone. That place is
Speaker 3: like peeling back the lairs of an onion, and just
Speaker 3: when you think you have a part of the story down,
Speaker 3: you realize there's a whole other level beneath it to uncover.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, I mean, there's it's a multifaceted hunt. I
Speaker 2: would say a lot of people don't know this, but
Speaker 2: Adam Barry actually went hunting for puck quadgies while we
Speaker 2: were there.
Speaker 1: I did. I think I was forced to.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't go. I was seated inside the nice,
Speaker 2: cool house.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the reason why we decided to do
Speaker 1: that is we cover our bases on every case. So, yes,
Speaker 1: we were dealing with what we thought might be in Agrigor.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, if you ever get a chance
Speaker 1: to go look for a puck wedgie, don't do it.
Speaker 1: But I did because I wanted to see if it
Speaker 1: played into the investigation at all. Because the grounds are significant.
Speaker 1: They talk about activity that happens on the grounds, They're
Speaker 1: pretty widespread, they're large. So I FaceTime with Greg Newkirk,
Speaker 1: our friend Greg Newkirk, and I said, so, if if
Speaker 1: one were to go look for puck wedgies, what should
Speaker 1: What should one do? And he said I wouldn't. He says,
Speaker 1: but if you have to, which you do, leave an
Speaker 1: offering of some kind, some sort of like fruit nuts, honey,
Speaker 1: something to show that you mean well. And I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: So I got some fruit nuts and honey and we
Speaker 1: went out into the woods and I remember feeling, you know, uneasy,
Speaker 1: because you're in the woods at night, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get attacked by an animal. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's going to be. And I bent down
Speaker 1: and I put out the strawberries and the honey and
Speaker 1: I drizzled it over. You know, some aunt's going to
Speaker 1: love this, but I put it out and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and you know, I know I'm older than I
Speaker 1: used to be, but I did that thing where I
Speaker 1: was standing up and I wasn't doing anything crazy, and
Speaker 1: I felt like I had gotten stabbed, like in my back,
Speaker 1: and you guys are going to be like, it's his sciatica.
Speaker 1: But it was very strange and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was, and I was like, oh God, what was that.
Speaker 1: And then it got really weird and the camera ops
Speaker 1: were like, you know, Andy was standing there and we
Speaker 1: were all like trying to film and I was like,
Speaker 1: turn off the lights, turn off the lanterns, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to see if we turned
Speaker 1: I was like, turn him off, and he turned him off,
Speaker 1: and you could hear something sort of shuffling around us.
Speaker 1: Now it could have been a bear, but not really.
Speaker 1: It was not there, not there, but it just seemed
Speaker 1: really weird. It seemed very strange, and everyone in that
Speaker 1: space was like, something is weird, something is off, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't actually I wasn't looking. I wasn't
Speaker 1: saying please, Puck Wedgy come play with me or come
Speaker 1: hang out. Don't think they'd play like Grimlins or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, don't do that. But uh, I just
Speaker 1: said I'm here to offer it just in case you're here,
Speaker 1: you know. And I left it at that, and I
Speaker 1: felt like maybe they attacked me. I got attacked by
Speaker 1: a Puckway your hurting for a while. It was it
Speaker 1: was weird. Oh and and what else happened? Isn't that
Speaker 1: the case where other things got happened? Like things got
Speaker 1: canceled for our crew, like somebody or that different or
Speaker 1: will we curse a different time?
Speaker 2: I don't know there was an other case or of
Speaker 2: your curse for everyone was But Richard, what do you
Speaker 2: think of the Bridgewater Triangle connection there?
Speaker 3: Well, I will say to Adam's a braver man than
Speaker 3: I am, because I'm often asked have you ever fled
Speaker 3: from a location in fear? And the Oliver House I
Speaker 3: can reveal is the only place I have because, like Adam,
Speaker 3: though for different reasons, we did go out into the
Speaker 3: ground surrounding the Oliver House. And anyone who knows me
Speaker 3: knows that I have no dress sense whatsoever. Again, unlike
Speaker 3: mister Barry, who's always dapper, I always I owned about
Speaker 3: ten pairs of caky cargo pants as I have on today.
Speaker 3: Three minutes into those woods, I look down and I said,
Speaker 3: is that a tick?
Speaker 2: Oh? Welcome to Massachusetts, Welcome to New England.
Speaker 3: Visions of horror. I was back into that house and
Speaker 3: out of those woods like a shot.
Speaker 1: So New Brits.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to digress. But Adam Berry literally carries
Speaker 2: a tick card in his wallet. I don't whatever ticks
Speaker 2: are on the same So really, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We live in New England and you need to know
Speaker 1: that a tiny, tiny, little, tiny ticks. Those are the
Speaker 1: ones that carry the disease.
Speaker 3: Well, I come from Old England and ticks terrify me.
Speaker 3: So I will call you next time there's one on
Speaker 3: my pants, just thinking.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, dix aside, did you research at all the
Speaker 2: connection between the location of the house, like being in
Speaker 2: the Bridgewater Triangle and did you come up with an
Speaker 2: either did you find that interesting or.
Speaker 3: I did find that interesting. The Bridgewater Triangle is an
Speaker 3: interesting concept, but you also have things like King Phillip's
Speaker 3: War took place in I believe sixteen seventy five, so
Speaker 3: you have this very bloody history in the region and
Speaker 3: on the grounds as well. You know, the whole the
Speaker 3: issue with Oliver Hole being burned to the ground and
Speaker 3: the fact that the Olivers were staunch loyalists and a
Speaker 3: lot of strong emotion back there and back then as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that you need the Bridgewater Triangle
Speaker 3: as an explanation. You can look closer to home to
Speaker 3: explain some of this haunting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense. So did you have any
Speaker 2: activity there, any memorable experiences while you were there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I found it. I found the Oliver House to
Speaker 3: be very comfortable, atmosphere, which doesn't mean they're on ghosts
Speaker 3: or it isn't haunted because I wore a red coat
Speaker 3: and sash, which seemed appropriate, and I did not plan this.
Speaker 3: I wish I was this smart, But we had gone
Speaker 3: right after the anniversary of the shop that was heard
Speaker 3: around the world, so the outbreak of the war in
Speaker 3: Lexington and Concord. In fact, they had been re enacting
Speaker 3: that weekend. I took a board game with me that
Speaker 3: was a revolutionary war board game, and I would make
Speaker 3: moves and invite whoever the spirits in the house were
Speaker 3: leave it out overnight, I would invite them to make
Speaker 3: a move, you know, for the American side. That didn't happen,
Speaker 3: But what we did have was one of the security
Speaker 3: cameras at about four twenty seven in the morning. These
Speaker 3: cameras are activated by motion. One of the cameras just
Speaker 3: activated in that room. It pivots as though it's trying
Speaker 3: to track in on something. It's focusing and unfocusing. You
Speaker 3: hear what sounds like conversation going on in an empty
Speaker 3: house and then it went dead.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, we definitely heard a lot of chatter
Speaker 2: in that house. Actually, in other rooms, like we would
Speaker 2: be in one room and you would hear like full
Speaker 2: conversation happening in another room. So, now, mister Barry, you've
Speaker 2: been there. I don't know why I'm calling you mister
Speaker 2: Barry today.
Speaker 1: I like it. It's very professional. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find something for the audience and the listeners.
Speaker 2: I was there, Yes, well you were there again recently.
Speaker 1: Recently I was there in was anybody there with me
Speaker 1: to remind me when I was there? I feel like
Speaker 1: I found it. I found it. I found it. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: this is going to be so exciting for everyone at home. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was there in uh January, and when we
Speaker 1: were there the first time. The reason why Zombie Boy
Speaker 1: came about, if you haven't watched the episode of Kinder's Spirits,
Speaker 1: was because we were upstairs in the room. I was
Speaker 1: looking into the mirror where they say they see zombie Boy,
Speaker 1: and Amy is doing the Estus method in the psychomanteum room.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know what any of that means,
Speaker 1: you are listening to the exact right podcasts because you're
Speaker 1: going to find out, and we're asking questions and Amy
Speaker 1: is listening to the spirit box, right and just saying
Speaker 1: what she hears, and she starts talking about how I
Speaker 1: was brought here, I was put here or I and
Speaker 1: it was answering questions like I didn't know what it was,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so weird, this is
Speaker 1: so strange, and that's, you know, one of the telltale
Speaker 1: signs of something that might have been created by our energy.
Speaker 1: And so we were so focused on that that I
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to talk about the war right
Speaker 1: and talk to the family. So we went back in January.
Speaker 1: My focus was to talk to the family to you know,
Speaker 1: interact with him, because those are the most prevalent spirits
Speaker 1: and obviously if they were people that were once alive,
Speaker 1: those are the ones we want to talk to. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting in the parlor area downstairs off the
Speaker 1: left entrance and I start doing an EVP session and
Speaker 1: I say, if you're here, I'm gonna play it for you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome because I recorded it. But I said something
Speaker 1: along the line is like are you here, Like what
Speaker 1: you know? Can you finish this? God save the what's
Speaker 1: the answer? They're supposed to say? King? Right? King? And
Speaker 1: now it was Queen and now we're back at King.
Speaker 1: So listen, back then it was King because we're talking
Speaker 1: about the revolutionary warts. So I listened to this. Do
Speaker 1: you hear that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very clear.
Speaker 1: It says King. I'll send that to you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: The producers will need that.
Speaker 1: It says King, and we all were like, whoa, this
Speaker 1: is so crazy. So their loyalty is still prevalent, even
Speaker 1: though they've passed on and they've gone on to something else.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they're still there believing in something that
Speaker 1: they believed in, fighting for whatever they were fighting in,
Speaker 1: but they're protecting their home in a way.
Speaker 2: Interesting. What do you think of that, mister?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Olivers were such staunch loyalists, and
Speaker 3: that was a very enlidened question to ask, especially I
Speaker 3: told them during an EVP session, you know, we have
Speaker 3: a king again, right, which is worth pointing out. The
Speaker 3: Olive Us were driven out and ended up going to
Speaker 3: Boston because the anti crown sentiment in the area was
Speaker 3: so strong, but they were staunch loyalists, so that emotion
Speaker 3: seems to have persevered, and it looks like you tapped
Speaker 3: into that, Adam.
Speaker 2: That was a really clear EVP It's a very strong response.
Speaker 3: And also meaningful. It was the only word I would
Speaker 3: have taken Queen Shaw, but that was the perfect word
Speaker 3: in response to that, right.
Speaker 1: And I had not mentioned so it was January. I
Speaker 1: didn't really mention that there was a king now. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe I did after the fact, but I just
Speaker 1: wanted them to finish the phrase. It's one of those
Speaker 1: phrases and for them to say king and not queen.
Speaker 1: You know, they were maybe they're aware of this new king.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like they did exactly what I
Speaker 1: needed to hear to know who I was talking to.
Speaker 2: I feel like, aside from the paranormal, I just want
Speaker 2: to mention that the All of Our House has a
Speaker 2: really great group of volunteers that keep it running and
Speaker 2: they the fact that they're so open to paranormal tours
Speaker 2: is really big. I love a good historical location that
Speaker 2: is open to people like us coming in and investigating.
Speaker 2: A special shout out to Christy Parrish who works there,
Speaker 2: because she helped us on Kindred Spirits cases even before
Speaker 2: all around she came to the basement episode, she had
Speaker 2: invented this crazy like, uh what was that? It was
Speaker 2: like a three D three holographic image image.
Speaker 1: She could put it on your phone and then it
Speaker 1: would show something and we got an EVP if someone says,
Speaker 1: I have to touch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was that was awesome. So they're
Speaker 2: doing really great work there and I just wanted to
Speaker 2: point out how much I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I would love to echo that on behalf of my
Speaker 3: team and I and I apologies to Christy because she
Speaker 3: sounds like Tangina Barons from.
Speaker 1: Politicist every day.
Speaker 3: I would ask her to say this heos is clean,
Speaker 3: and she obliged.
Speaker 1: Us with mary a roll of the eye, and I
Speaker 1: will add she's she's the caretaker of not only Oliver House,
Speaker 1: but a few other locations and her entire uh you know,
Speaker 1: her entire imo is to let people have access to
Speaker 1: these spaces that want them while helping the organization or
Speaker 1: historical society raise money for the upkeep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that. So now, well overall, Richard, would what's
Speaker 2: your assessment of what's going on there?
Speaker 3: I think that the Oliver House is a multi layered haunting,
Speaker 3: and I think a bias we all have is it's
Speaker 3: a colonial era house. You go in, you expect, you know,
Speaker 3: red coats, and continentals, but you also find these layers
Speaker 3: that are stacked on top. You have the Sprots, you
Speaker 3: have this Civil War kind of connection as well. So
Speaker 3: I encourage people to go visit and experience the Oliver
Speaker 3: House for themselves, but keep an open mind. You may
Speaker 3: be connecting with someone or a spirit from fifty years
Speaker 3: ago or two hundred and fifty years ago. You can
Speaker 3: never quite tell. So check your biases at the door
Speaker 3: and go walk in the footsteps of the Olivers and
Speaker 3: Ben Franklin. If you ever get the chance to do that.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite a story. So I agree, it's a
Speaker 2: joy to investigate there. Definitely go check it out if
Speaker 2: you're in the area. And I want to thank you
Speaker 2: guys for rejoining Haunted Roads, so I fin I have
Speaker 2: both of you at once, so I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay. The Oliver House is a fascinating structure, even if
Speaker 2: you ignore its haunted history entirely. So many significant events
Speaker 2: happened here, and anyone could spend decades, if not centuries,
Speaker 2: studying its past. But no matter how well documented or
Speaker 2: well researched a house might be, there will always be
Speaker 2: dark secrets that get lost to time, at least so
Speaker 2: far as the living are concerned. But because so many
Speaker 2: spirits apparently still remain at the Oliver House, it's possible
Speaker 2: that even after all the witnesses have passed away, their
Speaker 2: stories don't need to be forgotten. I'm Amy Brunei and
Speaker 2: this was Haunted Road. Yay, thank you, guys. Haunted Road
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