1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: What If You Could make a ghost? In nineteen seventy two, 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: an experiment conducted by a Toronto based parapsychological association led 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: by mathematical geneticist doctor A. R. Owen and overseen by 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: psychologist doctor Joel Whitten, attempted to determine if that was 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: indeed possible. The test group consisted of folks like the 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: former chairperson of Menza, a few engineers, a sociology student, 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: an accountant, and a bookkeeper. Together, the group invented a 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: fictional character named Philip Aylesford. His made up background included 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: being described as a seventeenth century English aristocrat who lived 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: during the reign of Oliver Cromwell. His story included a 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: tragic love affair, an unjust execution of his beloved, and 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: his eventual suicide. The participants, who were aware that Philip 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: was a creation of their imagination, conducted regular seance type sessions. 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: They attempted to communicate with Philip. Through these sessions, reciting 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: his history over and over over time. Various phenomenas such 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: as raps and knocks in response to questions, and movements 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: of the table were interpreted as Philip's presence and interaction, 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: despite knowing he was not real. The experiment suggested that 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: a group's collective belief and focused intent could induce intelligent, 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: interactive paranormal activity, which raised the question could paranormal phenomena 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: be attributed to psychological or unconscious processes rather than well ghosts. 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Brunei and this is Haunted Road. On Plymouth 25 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: Street in Middleborough, Massachusetts. A Georgian style two story house 26 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: sits behind a wide lawn. It's surrounded by leafy trees 27 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: and green grass, with some distance between the front door 28 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: and the street. This house, known as the Oliver House, 29 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: has a row of four windows framing the first floor entrance, 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: which sits between two white columns. Five more windows dot 31 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: the top floor. The yellow walls and black and white 32 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: shutters and trim give it a classic homey look. It's 33 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: easy to imagine people gathering here for a tea party 34 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: in the colonial era. Similar period details mark the inside 35 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: of the house, which has historically accurate furniture, separate parlors 36 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: for men and women, and numerous bedrooms for the house's owners, children, governesses, 37 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: and enslaved people. The floors are made of wood, as 38 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: are the doors and some molding. According to a twenty 39 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: fourteen assessment by McKinley, Castlow and Associates, Inc. The home 40 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: has a private life iibar and multiple fireplaces that end 41 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: in two brick chimneys. The kitchen and carriage house are 42 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: comparatively newer than the rest of the structure. These additions 43 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: were put up sometime around the early eighteen hundreds. The 44 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Oliver House sits on a fifty four acre estate about 45 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: a mile from downtown Middleborough. As if it wasn't obvious 46 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: from all the descriptions I already gave, this town was 47 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: founded in the mid sixteen hundreds as a British colony, 48 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: but its dark history goes much further back than that. 49 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: Before European colonists derived in Massachusetts, the Wampanogue people lived there. However, 50 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: in the early seventeenth century, a deadly epidemic swept through 51 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: the region. The indigenous people called it the Great Dying, 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: which speaks to how many lives were lost to the disease. 53 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: The Wampanoge people who survived the outbreak remained in the 54 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: region that could later become Middleborough, but it was an 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: influx of European settlers who helped make the area flourish financially. 56 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: A lot of men manufacturing facilities sprouted up in town, 57 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: particularly for shoemakers, and today Middleborough is the home to 58 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: the Ocean Spray Cranberry's headquarters. The Oliver House was built 59 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: in seventeen sixty nine for an engaged couple named Peter 60 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: Oliver Junior and Sally Hutchinson. It was dubbed the Small 61 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Oliver House to differentiate it from another larger and more 62 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: impressive building that sat nearby, Oliver Hall. According to rumor, 63 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: both of these were built not too far from a 64 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: hill that had once been a Wampanog burial ground. Peter 65 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: and Sally were married right around the time that the 66 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: house was completed. Their wedding was a massive society affair, 67 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: drawing guests from all over the world, which is unsurprising 68 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: given that both came from wealthy and powerful families. Sally's 69 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: father was the Governor of Massachusetts, while Peter's father sat 70 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court. Given their political ties, it was 71 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: only a matter of time before Peter and Sally would 72 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: find themselves caught up in a brewing revolt. See. In 73 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: seventeen seventy three, Benjamin Franklin visited the Oliver House. Officially, 74 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: he was there as the guest of honor at a 75 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: party that had been thrown for him, but it's believed 76 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: that the Olivers and their friends, all of whom were 77 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: loyal to the British, were trying to halt the coming 78 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: American Revolution in its tracks. Franklin was a very influential figure, 79 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: and the Crown's loyalists may have hoped that if they 80 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: could recruit him to their side, the whole rebellion would 81 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: fall apart without him. Instead, this visit may have only 82 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: heightened the tension between the revolutionaries and those who supported 83 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: British rule. According to rumor, while Franklin was at the 84 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: Oliver House, he somehow got his hands on some letters 85 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: that had been exchanged between Sally's father, Governor Hutchinson, and 86 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: her husband Peter. In them, they discussed calling on the 87 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: British army to violently put down the revolution before it 88 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: could go any further. Some people believe Franklin found these 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: letters while he was digging around in sally closet. Others 90 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: say an unidentified chambermaid gave them to him, but most 91 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: historians think Franklin received these letters several months before he 92 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: ever set foot in the Oliver House. However, he got them. 93 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: Franklin passed the letters along to future US President John Adams, 94 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: who published them in the Boston Gazette. This only outraged 95 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: the general public and pushed the colonists one step closer 96 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: to war. In seventeen seventy four, during the fallout from 97 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: the so called Hutchinson Letters affair, Sally's brother was run 98 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: out of town and her father, the governor, fled the country. 99 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: That same year, Peter's father was impeached and lost his 100 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: position as a judge. It became a frequent occurrence for 101 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: angry mobs to gather outside the Oliver House, threatening Peter, Sally, 102 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: and their three children. Eventually, the whole family escaped to Boston, 103 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: and from there they sailed to England. They got away 104 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: just in time. During the Revolutionary they wore Oliver Hall, 105 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: that larger, more impressive home that led to the Oliver 106 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: House's nickname as the Small Oliver House, burned to the ground. 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: Although the small and now only Oliver House survived. At 108 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: one point, revolutionaries seized it and auctioned it off to 109 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: raise funds for the war effort. After passing from owner 110 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: to owner in the early eighteen hundreds, the house was 111 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: home to a couple named Thomas and Abigail Sadly, they 112 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: lost many children during their time there, and only two 113 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: survived to adulthood. Their daughter, Bethania sprote inherited the house 114 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: after her father's death, only for tragedy to befall her 115 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: family as well. In eighteen forty one, her two year 116 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: old daughter Abby died after a kettle filled with boiling 117 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: water fell on her. Months later, Bethania lost her unborn 118 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: child in a miscarriage. Then three years after that, in 119 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: eighteen forty four, another of her children died young. This 120 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: time it was pneumonia that claimed his life. Bethania's husband, Earle, 121 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: was stricken with tuberculosis in eighteen sixty four. He grew sicker, 122 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: and once it was clear that the end was near, 123 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: a local reverend named mister Putnam reportedly came to visit him. 124 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: An article called The Peter Oliver House by Michael J. 125 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: Madigan says that Putnam wanted Earle to make his peace 126 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: with God before he passed away. But as the story goes, 127 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: Earle didn't want the reverend's help. According to Madigan, Earle said, 128 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: in all my business relations in life, I never have 129 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: traded much with the middleman. I have always bought my 130 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: goods at wholesale. It now looks as though I shall 131 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: see the Lord before you will, and I can no 132 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: doubt patch it up a good deal better than when 133 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: I get there and see him, then I can with you. 134 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: According to the story, the reverend had nothing to say 135 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: to that, He silently left the room, and Earle passed 136 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: away a short while later. His death came in the 137 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: midst of another national conflict, and just as the Oliver 138 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: House had played a key role during the Revolutionary War, 139 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: It's rumored that before or during the Civil War, it 140 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: was a stop on the underground railroad. Supposedly, enslaved people 141 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: who were fleeing from Southern States could hide from the 142 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: authorities in a hidden chamber just behind the first floor fireplace, 143 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: and when they were ready to move on to the 144 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: next stop, they could leave the house unseen, using an 145 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: underground tunnel that connected the cellar to the local Namasket River. 146 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: It's worth noting that while the hideaway behind the fireplace 147 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: is real, there's no evidence that it was ever used 148 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: to shelter formerly enslaved people, and if that underground tunnel 149 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: ever existed, all signs of it have disappeared by today. 150 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: As for the residents, they sold the house in eighteen 151 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: ninety three. The home sold again in nineteen forty five, 152 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: and the new buyer was a man named Peter Oliver. 153 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: It was no mistake that he shared a name with 154 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: the man who originally built and lived in the house. 155 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: This Peter Oliver was a distant relative of the initial 156 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: Peter Oliver. The twentieth century, Peter restored the house to 157 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: its original state for the most part. He made some improvements, 158 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: including adding electricity, indoor plumbing, and perhaps most importantly, bathrooms. 159 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, the house was in a much more 160 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: livable state when it was sold to the City of Middleborough. 161 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: This was part of a preservation effort not only to 162 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: save the historic house, but also to protect the woodlands 163 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: around the property and all the plants and animals that 164 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: lived there. Today, the house operates as a historical museum. 165 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: It's open for public tours, including ghost tours. It's unsurprising 166 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: that with so many lives lost within its walls, the 167 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: Oliver House is haunted, and visitors generally agree that the 168 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: spirits there are mostly friendly. They reportedly make their presence 169 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: known by moving items around, and on at least one occasion, 170 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: a painting fell off of a wall, as if some 171 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: invisible force had knocked it down. There is also video 172 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: evidence that shows a bar across a door in the 173 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: kitchen seemingly moving on its own, and mysterious photographs are abundant. 174 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: At different times, people captured pictures of faces peering out 175 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: windows or of an entity that has been dubbed Zombie Boy. 176 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: The nickname comes from his grayskin and visible injuries all 177 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: over his face. There are a lot of theories about 178 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: Zombie Boy's origins, including that he may have died in 179 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: a car accident and that his spirit somehow became trapped 180 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: in the house afterward. That last idea came from ghost 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: tour manager Christy Parrish, who gave an interview to the 182 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Ghost Hunting in New England podcast. Famously, on an episode 183 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: of a little show called Kindred Spirits, Adam and I 184 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: discussed that zombie Boy could be a manifestation of so 185 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: many staff and investigators referring to him and giving him 186 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: an identity that included a horribly scarred face, drawing on 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: the Philip experiment. Through an evening of seance like interactions, 188 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: we gave Zombie Boy additional fictional attributes, including that his 189 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: father was a Civil War hero and the entire town 190 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: had a parade for him when he died, and that 191 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: Zombie Boy perished after falling from a horse, and, in 192 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: a personal homage to one of my favorite movies, Practical Magic, 193 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: that he had one green eye and one blue. Shortly after, 194 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: we received evidence including EVPs, communicating these attributes. Additionally, Psychic 195 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 2: Chip Coffee from hundreds of miles away called to tell 196 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: us he was picking up on a spirit with a 197 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: heavy Civil War connection. Visitors often say they feel as 198 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: though they're being watched when they're in the home, and 199 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: they may spot shadow figures in the basement or hear 200 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: footsteps in areas where they don't seem to be any 201 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: people around. Like in many other haunted locations, fully charged 202 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: electrical devices tend to lose all of their power much 203 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: more rapidly than they should. At the Oliver House, one 204 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: interesting story came from a tour guide who was taking 205 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: some visitors around the Oliver House when he spotted a 206 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: woman in an eighteenth century dress. At first, this didn't 207 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: strike him is particularly odd. Many of the people who 208 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: volunteered on site wore period costumes, so his initial thought 209 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: was that she was there to work. But then the 210 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,359 Speaker 2: tour guide noticed that something was off about this woman's appearance. Specifically, 211 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: according to an article with the impact called Secrets of 212 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: the Oliver House, this eighteenth century woman had unnaturally large eyes. 213 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: They didn't even look human. While the tour guide stared 214 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: at the woman in shock, she put a finger to 215 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: her lips, the way you do when you're shushing someone. Then, 216 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: without another word, she walked backward, passing right through the 217 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: wall behind her. Visitors sometimes feel as though a young 218 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: child is grabbing their hand, but when they glance down, 219 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: there's no children nearby. On one occasion, a young girl 220 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: went on a tour of the home only to announce 221 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: to all the adults that she was having a great 222 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: time playing with the little boy she was with. The 223 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Only problem, none of the grown ups had a boy 224 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: with them, and no one could see the girl's companion. 225 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Some people believe these childish ghosts or some of the 226 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: sprote children who died in the house. Of course, it's 227 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: always hard to identify the spirits in any haunted location, 228 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: but the Oliver House is unique, as some people believe 229 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: they've identified one clear feature that could explain how it 230 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: came to be so active. The house is in the 231 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: Bridgewater Triangle. According to cryptozoologist Lauren Coleman, this is a 232 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: small strip of land in Massachusetts where UFO sightings, encounters 233 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: with strange creatures, and other paranormal activities are extremely common. 234 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: All to say that from a certain perspective, the Oliver 235 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: House isn't that unique. It's one of many active hotbeds 236 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: in the region. But just because there are countless unexplained 237 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: incidents in the triangle, that doesn't make the spectral figures 238 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: at the Oliver House any less important and their stories 239 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: aren't any less meaningful. That's why today I am talking 240 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: to Adam Barry and Richard Estep. Richard has spent a 241 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: considerable amount of time researching and investigating the home, as 242 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: has mister Barry, so welcome back to the program Richard 243 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: and Adam Berry. Well, hello there, guys, we welcome back. 244 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road. 245 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: We're gonna going to have to share the two microphones 246 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: and three of us. I'm going to say, are you 247 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: going to let Richard talk to that? I'm going to 248 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: put my back to him. 249 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Listeners, I'm gonna put my back to him and he 250 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: can just speak over my shoulder like this. 251 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: Imagine this a rebellious colonial. 252 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: See there it is. 253 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: I look at that. It is only fitting right. So 254 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: the Oliver House is a very interesting haunt to me. 255 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: I've only investigated it the one time that we were 256 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: there with Kindred, but we were there for three nights, 257 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: so I've had quite a bit of time there. Let's 258 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: start with Richard really quick. Richard, what is your history 259 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: with the Oliver House in particular? 260 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold it for you though, I'm not 261 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: gonna you take it from me here, thank you, Adam. 262 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: My history is that it's an ongoing book project I'm 263 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: working on with doctor Joe mcgoggan, and I was given 264 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: the opportunity to go stay in that region and investigate 265 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: the Oliver House for the course of several days and nights, 266 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: and we'll do return visits trying to delve into its mysteries. 267 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: You guys know this better than anyone. That place is 268 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: like peeling back the lairs of an onion, and just 269 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: when you think you have a part of the story down, 270 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: you realize there's a whole other level beneath it to uncover. 271 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: Right exactly, I mean, there's it's a multifaceted hunt. I 272 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: would say a lot of people don't know this, but 273 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: Adam Barry actually went hunting for puck quadgies while we 274 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: were there. 275 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: I did. I think I was forced to. 276 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: No, I didn't go. I was seated inside the nice, 277 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: cool house. 278 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, I think the reason why we decided to do 279 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: that is we cover our bases on every case. So, yes, 280 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: we were dealing with what we thought might be in Agrigor. 281 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: But also, you know, if you ever get a chance 282 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: to go look for a puck wedgie, don't do it. 283 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: But I did because I wanted to see if it 284 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: played into the investigation at all. Because the grounds are significant. 285 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: They talk about activity that happens on the grounds, They're 286 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty widespread, they're large. So I FaceTime with Greg Newkirk, 287 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: our friend Greg Newkirk, and I said, so, if if 288 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: one were to go look for puck wedgies, what should 289 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: What should one do? And he said I wouldn't. He says, 290 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: but if you have to, which you do, leave an 291 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: offering of some kind, some sort of like fruit nuts, honey, 292 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: something to show that you mean well. And I was like, okay. 293 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: So I got some fruit nuts and honey and we 294 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: went out into the woods and I remember feeling, you know, uneasy, 295 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: because you're in the woods at night, and I'm thinking, 296 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to get attacked by an animal. I don't 297 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: know what it's going to be. And I bent down 298 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: and I put out the strawberries and the honey and 299 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: I drizzled it over. You know, some aunt's going to 300 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: love this, but I put it out and I'm sitting 301 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: there and you know, I know I'm older than I 302 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: used to be, but I did that thing where I 303 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: was standing up and I wasn't doing anything crazy, and 304 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: I felt like I had gotten stabbed, like in my back, 305 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: and you guys are going to be like, it's his sciatica. 306 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: But it was very strange and I didn't know what 307 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: it was, and I was like, oh God, what was that. 308 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: And then it got really weird and the camera ops 309 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: were like, you know, Andy was standing there and we 310 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: were all like trying to film and I was like, 311 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: turn off the lights, turn off the lanterns, and he's like, 312 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to see if we turned 313 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: I was like, turn him off, and he turned him off, 314 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: and you could hear something sort of shuffling around us. 315 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Now it could have been a bear, but not really. 316 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: It was not there, not there, but it just seemed 317 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: really weird. It seemed very strange, and everyone in that 318 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: space was like, something is weird, something is off, and I, 319 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't actually I wasn't looking. I wasn't 320 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: saying please, Puck Wedgy come play with me or come 321 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: hang out. Don't think they'd play like Grimlins or something. 322 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: I was like, don't do that. But uh, I just 323 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: said I'm here to offer it just in case you're here, 324 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: you know. And I left it at that, and I 325 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: felt like maybe they attacked me. I got attacked by 326 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: a Puckway your hurting for a while. It was it 327 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: was weird. Oh and and what else happened? Isn't that 328 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: the case where other things got happened? Like things got 329 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: canceled for our crew, like somebody or that different or 330 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: will we curse a different time? 331 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: I don't know there was an other case or of 332 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: your curse for everyone was But Richard, what do you 333 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: think of the Bridgewater Triangle connection there? 334 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: Well, I will say to Adam's a braver man than 335 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: I am, because I'm often asked have you ever fled 336 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 3: from a location in fear? And the Oliver House I 337 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: can reveal is the only place I have because, like Adam, 338 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 3: though for different reasons, we did go out into the 339 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: ground surrounding the Oliver House. And anyone who knows me 340 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: knows that I have no dress sense whatsoever. Again, unlike 341 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: mister Barry, who's always dapper, I always I owned about 342 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: ten pairs of caky cargo pants as I have on today. 343 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 3: Three minutes into those woods, I look down and I said, 344 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: is that a tick? 345 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Welcome to Massachusetts, Welcome to New England. 346 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: Visions of horror. I was back into that house and 347 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: out of those woods like a shot. 348 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: So New Brits. 349 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to digress. But Adam Berry literally carries 350 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: a tick card in his wallet. I don't whatever ticks 351 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: are on the same So really, yeah, yeah. 352 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: We live in New England and you need to know 353 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: that a tiny, tiny, little, tiny ticks. Those are the 354 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: ones that carry the disease. 355 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: Well, I come from Old England and ticks terrify me. 356 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: So I will call you next time there's one on 357 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: my pants, just thinking. 358 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, dix aside, did you research at all the 359 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: connection between the location of the house, like being in 360 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: the Bridgewater Triangle and did you come up with an 361 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: either did you find that interesting or. 362 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 3: I did find that interesting. The Bridgewater Triangle is an 363 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: interesting concept, but you also have things like King Phillip's 364 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: War took place in I believe sixteen seventy five, so 365 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: you have this very bloody history in the region and 366 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: on the grounds as well. You know, the whole the 367 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 3: issue with Oliver Hole being burned to the ground and 368 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: the fact that the Olivers were staunch loyalists and a 369 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: lot of strong emotion back there and back then as well. 370 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: So I don't know that you need the Bridgewater Triangle 371 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: as an explanation. You can look closer to home to 372 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: explain some of this haunting. 373 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense. So did you have any 374 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: activity there, any memorable experiences while you were there? 375 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? I found it. I found the Oliver House to 376 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: be very comfortable, atmosphere, which doesn't mean they're on ghosts 377 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: or it isn't haunted because I wore a red coat 378 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: and sash, which seemed appropriate, and I did not plan this. 379 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: I wish I was this smart, But we had gone 380 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: right after the anniversary of the shop that was heard 381 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 3: around the world, so the outbreak of the war in 382 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: Lexington and Concord. In fact, they had been re enacting 383 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: that weekend. I took a board game with me that 384 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: was a revolutionary war board game, and I would make 385 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: moves and invite whoever the spirits in the house were 386 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: leave it out overnight, I would invite them to make 387 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: a move, you know, for the American side. That didn't happen, 388 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: But what we did have was one of the security 389 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: cameras at about four twenty seven in the morning. These 390 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: cameras are activated by motion. One of the cameras just 391 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: activated in that room. It pivots as though it's trying 392 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: to track in on something. It's focusing and unfocusing. You 393 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: hear what sounds like conversation going on in an empty 394 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: house and then it went dead. 395 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, we definitely heard a lot of chatter 396 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: in that house. Actually, in other rooms, like we would 397 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: be in one room and you would hear like full 398 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: conversation happening in another room. So, now, mister Barry, you've 399 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: been there. I don't know why I'm calling you mister 400 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: Barry today. 401 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I like it. It's very professional. I'm trying to I'm 402 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: trying to find something for the audience and the listeners. 403 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: I was there, Yes, well you were there again recently. 404 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: Recently I was there in was anybody there with me 405 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: to remind me when I was there? I feel like 406 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I found it. I found it. I found it. Okay, great, 407 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: this is going to be so exciting for everyone at home. Okay. 408 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: So I was there in uh January, and when we 409 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: were there the first time. The reason why Zombie Boy 410 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: came about, if you haven't watched the episode of Kinder's Spirits, 411 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: was because we were upstairs in the room. I was 412 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: looking into the mirror where they say they see zombie Boy, 413 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: and Amy is doing the Estus method in the psychomanteum room. 414 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: And if you don't know what any of that means, 415 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: you are listening to the exact right podcasts because you're 416 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: going to find out, and we're asking questions and Amy 417 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: is listening to the spirit box, right and just saying 418 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: what she hears, and she starts talking about how I 419 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: was brought here, I was put here or I and 420 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: it was answering questions like I didn't know what it was, 421 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so weird, this is 422 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: so strange, and that's, you know, one of the telltale 423 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: signs of something that might have been created by our energy. 424 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: And so we were so focused on that that I 425 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to talk about the war right 426 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: and talk to the family. So we went back in January. 427 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: My focus was to talk to the family to you know, 428 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: interact with him, because those are the most prevalent spirits 429 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: and obviously if they were people that were once alive, 430 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: those are the ones we want to talk to. And 431 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: so I'm sitting in the parlor area downstairs off the 432 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: left entrance and I start doing an EVP session and 433 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: I say, if you're here, I'm gonna play it for you. 434 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: You're welcome because I recorded it. But I said something 435 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: along the line is like are you here, Like what 436 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: you know? Can you finish this? God save the what's 437 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the answer? They're supposed to say? King? Right? King? And 438 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: now it was Queen and now we're back at King. 439 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: So listen, back then it was King because we're talking 440 00:25:42,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: about the revolutionary warts. So I listened to this. Do 441 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: you hear that? 442 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very clear. 443 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: It says King. I'll send that to you. Thank you. 444 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: The producers will need that. 445 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: It says King, and we all were like, whoa, this 446 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: is so crazy. So their loyalty is still prevalent, even 447 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: though they've passed on and they've gone on to something else. 448 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: It's almost like they're still there believing in something that 449 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: they believed in, fighting for whatever they were fighting in, 450 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: but they're protecting their home in a way. 451 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: Interesting. What do you think of that, mister? 452 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Olivers were such staunch loyalists, and 453 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 3: that was a very enlidened question to ask, especially I 454 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: told them during an EVP session, you know, we have 455 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: a king again, right, which is worth pointing out. The 456 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 3: Olive Us were driven out and ended up going to 457 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: Boston because the anti crown sentiment in the area was 458 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 3: so strong, but they were staunch loyalists, so that emotion 459 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 3: seems to have persevered, and it looks like you tapped 460 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: into that, Adam. 461 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: That was a really clear EVP It's a very strong response. 462 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 3: And also meaningful. It was the only word I would 463 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: have taken Queen Shaw, but that was the perfect word 464 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 3: in response to that, right. 465 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: And I had not mentioned so it was January. I 466 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: didn't really mention that there was a king now. I 467 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: mean maybe I did after the fact, but I just 468 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: wanted them to finish the phrase. It's one of those 469 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: phrases and for them to say king and not queen. 470 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: You know, they were maybe they're aware of this new king. 471 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, but like they did exactly what I 472 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: needed to hear to know who I was talking to. 473 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: I feel like, aside from the paranormal, I just want 474 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: to mention that the All of Our House has a 475 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: really great group of volunteers that keep it running and 476 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: they the fact that they're so open to paranormal tours 477 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 2: is really big. I love a good historical location that 478 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: is open to people like us coming in and investigating. 479 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: A special shout out to Christy Parrish who works there, 480 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: because she helped us on Kindred Spirits cases even before 481 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: all around she came to the basement episode, she had 482 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: invented this crazy like, uh what was that? It was 483 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: like a three D three holographic image image. 484 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: She could put it on your phone and then it 485 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: would show something and we got an EVP if someone says, 486 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: I have to touch it. 487 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was that was awesome. So they're 488 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: doing really great work there and I just wanted to 489 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: point out how much I appreciate that. 490 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: I would love to echo that on behalf of my 491 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: team and I and I apologies to Christy because she 492 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: sounds like Tangina Barons from. 493 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: Politicist every day. 494 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: I would ask her to say this heos is clean, 495 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: and she obliged. 496 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: Us with mary a roll of the eye, and I 497 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: will add she's she's the caretaker of not only Oliver House, 498 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: but a few other locations and her entire uh you know, 499 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: her entire imo is to let people have access to 500 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: these spaces that want them while helping the organization or 501 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: historical society raise money for the upkeep. 502 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 503 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: I love that. So now, well overall, Richard, would what's 504 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: your assessment of what's going on there? 505 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: I think that the Oliver House is a multi layered haunting, 506 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: and I think a bias we all have is it's 507 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: a colonial era house. You go in, you expect, you know, 508 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: red coats, and continentals, but you also find these layers 509 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: that are stacked on top. You have the Sprots, you 510 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: have this Civil War kind of connection as well. So 511 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: I encourage people to go visit and experience the Oliver 512 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 3: House for themselves, but keep an open mind. You may 513 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: be connecting with someone or a spirit from fifty years 514 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: ago or two hundred and fifty years ago. You can 515 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: never quite tell. So check your biases at the door 516 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: and go walk in the footsteps of the Olivers and 517 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: Ben Franklin. If you ever get the chance to do that. 518 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 519 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite a story. So I agree, it's a 520 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: joy to investigate there. Definitely go check it out if 521 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: you're in the area. And I want to thank you 522 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: guys for rejoining Haunted Roads, so I fin I have 523 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: both of you at once, so I appreciate you. 524 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thank you. 525 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: Okay. The Oliver House is a fascinating structure, even if 526 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: you ignore its haunted history entirely. So many significant events 527 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: happened here, and anyone could spend decades, if not centuries, 528 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: studying its past. But no matter how well documented or 529 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: well researched a house might be, there will always be 530 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: dark secrets that get lost to time, at least so 531 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: far as the living are concerned. But because so many 532 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: spirits apparently still remain at the Oliver House, it's possible 533 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: that even after all the witnesses have passed away, their 534 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: stories don't need to be forgotten. I'm Amy Brunei and 535 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: this was Haunted Road. Yay, thank you, guys. Haunted Road 536 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: is a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from 537 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: Air and Minky. 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