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Speaker 1: The Winter Meetings have started and there are rumors swirling.

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Speaker 1: we got links to Kyle Schwarber. It seems like a

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Speaker 1: do we want to start this one off? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the Alonso Schwarber talk is.

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Speaker 2: What's the talk of the town.

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Speaker 3: I think so too, and I think it should be

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Speaker 3: because there's probably an understanding among the Mets organization and

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Speaker 3: among you guys watching this, Mets fans everywhere that he

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Speaker 3: signed swar Bro.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're signed pe Alonzo.

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Speaker 2: This is a feels unlikely.

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Speaker 3: This seems like a one or the other situation, and

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Speaker 3: just a case where Schwarber's mark is starting to move

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Speaker 1: It does seem unlikely, but also maybe not. I mean

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Speaker 1: Stern's Sterns did say something that makes you believe that

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Speaker 1: while they might be more in on Shoreber right now,

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Speaker 1: because Schwarber's market seems to be happening very fast, and

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Speaker 1: it seems like there's a good chance Kyle Schwarber is

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Speaker 1: signed by some team by the end of these winter meetings,

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't take them out of Pete though.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it does for sure, but I

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Speaker 3: like a perfect number down the line and they get

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Speaker 3: Sharpared for a number they want right now. But there

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Speaker 3: were some interesting soundbites from David Searns and he did

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Speaker 3: his media availability with Steve Gelps specifically, it was like

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Speaker 3: a five minute SMI put on Twitter. But the Pete

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Speaker 3: conversation in part of that was really interesting where he

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Speaker 3: said specifically, Pete's calling cardis his bat, and he could

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Speaker 1: Team and multiple ways.

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Speaker 3: We can get his bat in the line up, multiple ways,

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Speaker 3: but it won't take us out of pursuits that maybe

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Speaker 3: more timely as Pete's market develops. So that's him telling

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Speaker 3: us this Kysh Warper thing is happening now. The Pee

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the end of the day, we know

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Speaker 1: He was completely acceptable in right field the last three

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Speaker 2: Really don't care, doesn't matter to me at all.

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Speaker 1: But Pete was, for lack of a better term, dog

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Speaker 1: but we know that that's only gonna last for so long.

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Speaker 1: So for Pete truthfully to fit back on this team,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schrebro, on the other hand, is only a DH.

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Speaker 1: He will not touch the field, and that's why it

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Speaker 3: But that's why I open this being like, I don't

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Speaker 1: That would be shocking because he can't do that. But like,

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Speaker 1: it seems like everyone is interested in colleg Swarber right now.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the Pirates offered a record breaking franchise deal, which

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Speaker 1: is not what it sounds like. The Pirates' biggest free

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Speaker 2: At three years thirty nine million.

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Speaker 1: So for the Pirates to say record breaking is very like,

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Speaker 2: But teams are interested in Shorber.

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Speaker 1: He fits on every roster except the Los Angeles Dodgers

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's going to be more than three

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Speaker 3: But maybe that's the decision they're making and why they're

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Speaker 3: prioritizing at this exact moment Kylee Schwarber instead of pi Alonzo,

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Speaker 3: they just think that the next three years like Schwarber,

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Speaker 3: The last four years of Kylee Schwarber when you look

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Speaker 3: But two years ago Kyles Swarber was under the Mendoza

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Speaker 3: which is where Pete was this past year.

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Speaker 2: Like he's had some.

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Speaker 3: Ops's that have oscillated between you know, eight twenty and

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Speaker 2: Like there's in Philly.

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Speaker 3: In Philly, Yeah, there's definitely there's definitely a fun conversation

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Speaker 3: going going on about would you rather, let's say, have

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber for three years than Pelonzo for four or

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Speaker 3: five years? Right now inside those Mets rooms, is it crazy?

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Speaker 1: Is it crazy? If I say, I think they I'd

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Speaker 1: much rather take Pete much? Why much? One? He's our

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Speaker 1: like go to Boston, Kyle Schwarber, That's fine, let us

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you don't get Peep, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: think exa any chance you get both. I think there's

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Speaker 3: We're trying to we're trying to translate what they're trying

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Speaker 1: It's but at the end of day, Pete, if he's

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Speaker 1: probably one hundred of one hundred and sixty games he

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Speaker 3: So it's like possibly, And honestly, I'm really starting to

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Speaker 3: think maybe not. And that's another reason why first you

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Speaker 3: might I think we're just gonna get an out of

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Speaker 3: the clear blue sky of Ryan O'Hearn two for forty

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Speaker 1: I really think that.

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Speaker 3: And then Pete plays first basement left handed pitchers on

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Speaker 2: That would make me a little upset.

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Speaker 3: But I think if you get I think that Pizer,

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Speaker 3: DH's still one of the best h's in the league.

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Speaker 1: Sure well yeah, I mean I'm not disagreeing with that.

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Speaker 1: I still obviously is a great hitter and would bring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which he kind of did this year.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think there is a world where

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Speaker 2: that's the case there.

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Speaker 3: But the Schwarbur things interesting because if you can get

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Speaker 3: These rumors have been percolating for like twenty four hours now.

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Speaker 3: The Mets are apparently incredibly interesting College Warbur. And again

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Speaker 3: that's that's not the elite hitter that might warrant you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's me, I don't even know. I don't even

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of leaning towards. Is Listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like, I can't believe we did this.

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Speaker 1: I again, I made it very clear, I still want

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Speaker 1: Pete over Kyle Schwarber. I think Pete will be a

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Speaker 1: Schwarber's just got a lot of ups and downs. The

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Speaker 1: don't know. I also, I still, weirdly just don't see

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Speaker 3: I do wonder, though, I think that Schwarber has funny

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Speaker 3: Pete pulls just a bunch of them. Pete has such

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Speaker 3: to ball. But Shwarbar also if he loses the bat

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Speaker 3: two very funny profiles to compare like. It genuinely is like,

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Speaker 3: I don't even think we've ever been making this comparison,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's crazy because are both free agents at

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Speaker 1: I also, I want to ask you this, is there

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Speaker 1: a fear for this Mets team that had so much

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Speaker 1: trouble putting the ball in play last year when it

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Speaker 1: is a low average guy probably honestly, but I don't

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Speaker 3: Maybe we could be concerned about that, But again, it

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Speaker 2: For signing him.

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Speaker 1: It is funny to think about how like the average

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Speaker 1: David Stern's is doing it again. He's operating like cheap

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Speaker 3: But again, we wanted to start out with the big

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Speaker 3: But it was a pretty defiant report that the Mets

435
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Speaker 3: are not interested in any of the any long term

436
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Speaker 3: contracts the starting pitchers available this winter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not interested, but are still meeting with Framber, Valdez, Archton,

438
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Speaker 1: Michael King. It all makes sense, and it's stuff that

439
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Speaker 1: we've mentioned too, where like Framburgh, like five years is

440
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Speaker 1: the most I'd give him at like twenty five close

441
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Speaker 1: to thirty like that range per year, and he's probably

442
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Speaker 1: going to be still one of the thirty best pitchers

443
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Speaker 1: in baseball over the next five years as long as

444
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Speaker 1: he's healthy, Like there's nothing showing us that he can't be.

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Speaker 1: But it's now those extra years that I'm sure Framber

446
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Speaker 1: would want. I'm sure if he wants a Dylan Ces contract.

447
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Speaker 1: And this is the old conversation of like, well, if

448
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Speaker 1: you try and thread the needle on every single free agent,

449
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Speaker 1: you'll end up signing none of them. But at the

450
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Speaker 1: same time, I don't know no one. McLean might be

451
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Speaker 1: better than Fraanbervaldez next year, Like I don't know if

452
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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 3: Give him those seven years, he definitely might be. And again,

454
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Speaker 3: Mike is the the warrant there, because that's kind of

455
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Speaker 3: what we're playing off of it. Get to use Will's

456
00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,280
Speaker 3: words exactly. Despite failing to get length in their rotation

457
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Speaker 3: last season, the Mets are reluctant to hand out long

458
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Speaker 3: term offers to this season's top three agent starting pitchers.

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Speaker 3: And I think that is the most important part of

460
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Speaker 3: that phrase right there, this season's top three agent starting pitchers.

461
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Speaker 3: We've had a couple videos episodes talking about this over

462
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Speaker 3: the last few months. The second and Mets season ended.

463
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Speaker 3: It's the first thing we talked about. We were like, pictures,

464
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Speaker 3: these pictures, these guys aren't that good. But like these

465
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Speaker 3: this offseason's crop is starting pitchers simply weren't that good.

466
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Speaker 3: That's how Dylan Sees can get seven for two ten

467
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Speaker 3: because he throws ninety seven and has.

468
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Speaker 1: Been healthy his entire career. Got a bigger contract than

469
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Speaker 1: Blake Snell. Blake Snell's won POSI Young Awards like that.

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Speaker 3: If that's where these now offers are going for guys

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Speaker 3: like Tatsui Min Framer Valdez, Like, I don't I don't

472
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Speaker 3: fault the Mets for not wanting to jump into that

473
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Speaker 3: despite the glaring knee on the roster. It doesn't really

474
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Speaker 3: give you permission to possibly make a bad decision.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what always like I have.

476
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Speaker 1: To bite my tongue seeing like social media or just

477
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Speaker 1: hearing like family or anybody talk about like what the

478
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Speaker 1: Mets need to do this off scene. It's like got

479
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Speaker 1: to get a picture, and I look around, I'm like, whoo,

480
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Speaker 1: who is that guy? Because they pay framervald does all

481
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Speaker 1: that money? You're gonna lose your mind in year two

482
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Speaker 1: or three whenever that happens. I think they yeah, it

483
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Speaker 1: might happen in May, Like they're like, oh, well then

484
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Speaker 1: go trade for someone, go oh yeah, sure, I bet you.

485
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Speaker 1: They haven't thought about that. I'm like, do you think

486
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Speaker 1: that this front office in this organization doesn't know that

487
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Speaker 1: another frontline starter would help? Is It's the same conversation

488
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Speaker 1: with like when tong was the Twins were like we'd

489
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Speaker 1: love Jonah Tong for Joe Ryan, and I was like,

490
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would do that, And then

491
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Speaker 1: you look at the numbers and go, how much better

492
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Speaker 1: is he really right now than like what you theoretically

493
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Speaker 1: could have in the future with a guy like Jonah Tong.

494
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Speaker 1: So for me, unless the guys are there and we've

495
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Speaker 1: talked about Trek School, you take the shot on. Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: Freddie Peralta is probably the most realistic guy, and that

497
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Speaker 1: could be a frontline starter and that would be a

498
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Speaker 1: reasonable price, Like that's where we want to take our shots.

499
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Speaker 1: We don't want to waste our money on more what

500
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Speaker 1: could be bad contracts on guys that are very, very

501
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Speaker 1: fringy where they actually lie in terms of like top

502
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Speaker 1: starting pitching.

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Speaker 3: And then on the same ilk when David Searns does

504
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Speaker 3: these press conferences, talk to these reporters and he says,

505
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Speaker 3: you know, we are comfortable with our rotation. He gives

506
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Speaker 3: a lot of credit to the young pitchers, to the

507
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Speaker 3: guys in the middle. The Clay Holmes is David Peterson's people, Like,

508
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Speaker 3: how can he say this? Like do you want him

509
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Speaker 3: not to say this? YEA was gonna say our team sucks.

510
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Speaker 3: You want to announce to the world we need a

511
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Speaker 3: picture and we will do anything to get one to

512
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Speaker 3: ruin any leverage you possibly have the negotiation. And that's

513
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Speaker 3: also how that Joe Ryan Jonah Tong think came out

514
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Speaker 3: last week because I'm sure the Twins have been floating

515
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Speaker 3: Joe Ryan around. I'm sure they haven't gotten the offers

516
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Speaker 3: back that they really want so badly, so I'm sure

517
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Speaker 3: that they leak like we know how bad the mesiny

518
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Speaker 3: starting pitcher give us Joonah Tongue. Yeah, six months ago,

519
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Speaker 3: people were talking about Jonah Toanng like he was this

520
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Speaker 3: second coming, Like Jonah Toong never touched the major leagues

521
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Speaker 3: last year. You guys wouldn't even be willing to part

522
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Speaker 3: with Jonah Toong for anybody in the league right.

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Speaker 2: Now, no shout out, uh.

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Speaker 1: I was dming Joe Demeyo because we were going back

525
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Speaker 1: and forth with people on Twitter about the whole Jonah

526
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Speaker 1: Tong versus Joe Ryan conversation. And it wasn't necessarily that

527
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Speaker 1: that Jonah Tong is better than Joe Ryan right now.

528
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Speaker 1: But the idea is that if you didn't see nineteen

529
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Speaker 1: innings of Jonahtanng about seven of those which were not

530
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Speaker 1: very good, you would have been like, this is one

531
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Speaker 1: of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball. We

532
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Speaker 1: would never even consider trading him for anything right now,

533
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Speaker 1: he'd be untouchable.

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Speaker 2: And that is the truth.

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Speaker 1: Like, imagine if you took every small sample that a

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Speaker 1: rookie who came up very very quickly in a season

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Speaker 1: that wasn't expected to you'd be out on almost every

538
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Speaker 1: big prospect ever, Like, these guys don't come up and

539
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Speaker 1: have instant success always. It's hard, And let's be honest,

540
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Speaker 1: there's a good chance that that is the pragmatic Mets

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Speaker 1: way of thinking about Jonah Tong right now. Like the

542
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Speaker 1: way this off season's begun, like it doesn't seem like

543
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Speaker 1: he's on the table.

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Speaker 2: He shouldn't be. He shouldn't be on the table.

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Speaker 1: No, unless that was what you had to move to

546
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Speaker 1: get Trek Skouoble, he shouldn't with an extension in place. Yeah,

547
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Speaker 1: with an extension coming, he shouldn't be on the table.

548
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Speaker 1: There's not really that picture out there.

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Speaker 3: If he also got traded for Terrek Scooball on a

550
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Speaker 3: one year deal, that would be the greatest trade ever

551
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Speaker 3: for rental in the history of baseball, most anyone ever

552
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Speaker 3: gave up for one year of a guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I gain I guess Wan Toto too,

554
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Speaker 2: but not the one year of him, the three years

555
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Speaker 2: of him that was the most oh true, true, true. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Michael King, Like yeah, sure, I mean again, Also, that's

557
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Speaker 3: a guy seems like we're very connected with. He still

558
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Speaker 3: to me seems like the best of both worlds for

559
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Speaker 3: the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Where I like his fit and I like, you've always

561
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Speaker 1: been a Michael King guy for a while now, and

562
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Speaker 1: for what this Mets team needs, Like yes, of course

563
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Speaker 1: for conversation narrative, the Mets need an ace, But truthfully,

564
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Speaker 1: if the Mets just got like forty more good innings

565
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Speaker 1: out of their starting pitchers last year, they made the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and then it's like, let's roll the dice, see

567
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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 3: And he just like you have to be very confident

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Speaker 3: with Nolan McLain is after seeing the way last season

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Speaker 3: ended like his I.

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Speaker 1: Because we go to a lot of the games, so

572
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Speaker 1: I've been watching some highlights of him because I really

573
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Speaker 1: didn't watch many of the games on TV. I was

574
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Speaker 1: there and I was like, this guy's stuff is so ridiculous,

575
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Speaker 1: like he might just be the ace. I think that's

576
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Speaker 1: just it. Like this is the problem too.

577
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Speaker 3: When we went to last offseason, we were so optimistic

578
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Speaker 3: about everything, like how could we not have been after

579
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Speaker 3: what happened? Go to the NLCS and then we're a

580
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Speaker 3: year and a day from the once start of the signing.

581
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Speaker 3: You guys remember how we felt after that happened, And

582
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Speaker 3: then we basically spent the next three months just gorging

583
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Speaker 3: ourselves on all the content that we could possibly do,

584
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Speaker 3: being like, this is the best thing ever. We saw

585
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Speaker 3: the Rosies colored seventy percentile outcome for every single player.

586
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Speaker 3: Now we're doing the opposite. We're looking the twenty fifth

587
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Speaker 3: percentile outcome for every single player. But now if you

588
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Speaker 3: look back and go back to even to the fiftieth

589
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Speaker 3: percentile or even like Manaia and Sanga, you're like, all right,

590
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Speaker 3: it's probably med rotation guys, like where those guys are

591
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Speaker 3: cool to be an or like yeah, hundred sixty innings.

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Speaker 1: That's like a bad projection for those guys.

593
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Speaker 3: And it's like, all right, so you don't really have

594
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Speaker 3: to squint that hard to see this happen, Like it's

595
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Speaker 3: it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's funny how much the year changes. You told

597
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Speaker 1: Mets fans going into the start next season, Likeay, what

598
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Speaker 1: I saying is an ace?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

600
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Speaker 3: Literally the last that was five months ago. We were

601
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Speaker 3: saying that, how about how about it in May before

602
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: he got hurt. I think it's already been like ace

603
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Speaker 3: literally and again like even right now, this lineup, becuy,

604
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Speaker 3: that is one that needs the most help.

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Speaker 2: It needs a lot of help right now.

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Speaker 3: Talk about clifflod was saying, I BE network that he

607
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Speaker 3: texted me was house. Yeah, I was screaming, so MiB network.

608
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Speaker 3: There there's a weird thing going on with that WILLB network.

609
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Speaker 1: And maybe it's there's gotta be some sort of connection

610
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Speaker 1: with like what they can say and can't say. But

611
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Speaker 1: Greg Amsinger, who I do like, I like these guys

612
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Speaker 1: on OMB network talking about the Mets lineup and all

613
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Speaker 1: the stuff that they need and what the problems are.

614
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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you know what, I don't

615
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Speaker 1: think those sign of lines. I think they're gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Mark Viento's at first base.

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Speaker 1: And Clifflood's like Mark Vientos, so are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: He's like he lost his job at third base. He

619
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Speaker 1: didn't hit at all last year. He's like, the Mets

620
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Speaker 1: cannot go into the season with Mark Viento's and nor

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Speaker 1: will they. He's like, you would have to be like

622
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Speaker 1: an idiot to be like Mark Viento's is our starting

623
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Speaker 1: first baseman. He's got to earn his roster spot in

624
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Speaker 1: spring training, let alone be given the first base position.

625
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Speaker 1: Cliff Flood was irate. He was screaming. He was like,

626
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Speaker 1: what are we talking.

627
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Speaker 3: About here, especially because like again, one like Marfienta showed

628
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Speaker 3: last year, he might not be able to hit major

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Speaker 3: leag pitching enough to be an every day starther two,

630
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Speaker 3: you're just gonna make him play first base.

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Speaker 1: He's got bad feet, he's got horrible foot work, he's

632
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Speaker 1: got no range.

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Speaker 2: So oh, look at that. We have Peede Alonzo who

634
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Speaker 2: doesn't hit like Peede Alonso. Great.

635
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Speaker 3: I thought you were about to Kwame Brown. He's got

636
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Speaker 3: bad feet. He's mobile, but he can't really move. He

637
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Speaker 3: doesn't have a post move. He can commit to memory.

638
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Speaker 3: I know I'm a Viento's slanderer. I would never call

639
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Speaker 3: him a bone fid scrub. That's definitely Kwame Brown. No,

640
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Speaker 3: if you guys are millennials and you were watching Sports

641
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Speaker 3: Center in two thousand and four, you remember that day vividly.

642
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Speaker 3: But this there's just there's still actively a lot of

643
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Speaker 3: work to do in this roster, but at least like

644
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Speaker 3: it seems like we're very active in doing you do

645
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Speaker 3: these things. Another room that just came out moments before

646
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Speaker 3: we started recording. We tried to wait till as le

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Speaker 3: a possible at night to record this, just so we

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Speaker 3: wouldn't miss anything and that we'd be able to get

649
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Speaker 3: something fresh in the morning. Apparently we're now connected to

650
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Speaker 3: Trevor McGill along with Freddie Peralta from the Brewers, per

651
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: Joel Sherman, which I think that that's kind of a

652
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: fun spot, be it. I think that that's also a

653
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: move by the Brewers. Again we talk about how they're

654
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: just becoming the Brewers, but partially, but we talk about

655
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: how little these teams actually get for one year one

656
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 3: year of players, And I think that that's a big

657
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: misconception between what happens in Major League Baseball and how

658
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: we perceive things as fans. Where you saw Corbin Burns

659
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: get traded for two guys that are like barely major

660
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: League Baseball players, and he was like one of the

661
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: best pitchers in the league when that happened, literally like

662
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: two years before that was literally one of the best

663
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 3: pitchers in the league. So the Brewers know that if

664
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Speaker 3: they're not getting the offers they want for Freddie Peralta,

665
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: which is clearly the case because they haven't traded him yet,

666
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: that offer probably caps a Brandon's pro For a team

667
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 3: like the Mets, you add Trevor McGill to that. Now

668
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 3: suddenly you can get a higher profile prospect. You can

669
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: get two or three prospects, and along with a guy

670
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: at the top we like a lot like they're trying

671
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: to package things together what they consider a surplus and

672
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: their bullpen because they have monsters and aliens up there

673
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: whenever they need them to get a higher profile guy

674
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: or just a better volume of guys.

675
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Speaker 2: With the Freddie Perlta package, I'm assuming I've been.

676
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Speaker 1: Seeing like what some people are throwing out there again

677
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: for Ry Prault, the packages, and like, what are we

678
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: talking about, guys. It's not about Freddy prawlt To being bad.

679
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: Freddy Prault is awesome, we know that. But the idea

680
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: is that he is on an expiring contract he needs,

681
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit free agency or he's going to exigin

682
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: an extension with whoever he's with. But it's not gonna

683
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: be with the Brewers. They gotta trade him, or they

684
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: just go into this season being like, hope we win

685
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: it this year and and have some fun like and.

686
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: Of course it's not. They've never done that.

687
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: David Searns also knows that because he made it that business,

688
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: and that's his brother share running the team now. So

689
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: there at least someone who worked with very closely. I

690
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: know brother share is the right word there, but just

691
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: there's there's clearly a relationship there.

692
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: And we just we just got on Brewer.

693
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: Devin Williams like trying to get the band back together,

694
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: the team that's been really good the last few years.

695
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: I'd love Trevor McGill in this bullpen.

696
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: I'd be sick and then we could get Ty Lore

697
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: maybe in the bullpen one day.

698
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: And it finally comes true, the Met's actually again, we're

699
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: living in a fantasy world right now. If the Mets

700
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: traded for Trevor McGill, Trevor McGill Devin Williams would be

701
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: one of the best eight nine punches in all of baseball.

702
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: And then if they signed Edwin Diaz Haven eight nine, well,

703
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: that's the Royals, they tell you this, then that's definitely

704
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: not going to happen.

705
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: I maybe it will just see again. I think that's

706
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: Biggy McGill.

707
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: So I think the big thing we're getting from this

708
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: first day of Winter meetings and how the market is

709
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: evolving right now is that Pete and Edwin might be

710
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: out there a while, so we can't be beholden to

711
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: them and wait for them and let these other things

712
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: go by. We're also still keeping our number for those

713
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: guys and keeping the option open for them. I think

714
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's whatever those guys get,

715
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna come back to the Mets and give them

716
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: one more shot to beat it or match it.

717
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: If it's that good, I do too.

718
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: And if the Mets aren't like really deep in the

719
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: markets for those guys and making it seem like to

720
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: the world that we're making offers every single day meetings meeting,

721
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: these meetings like high leverage put this in there, their

722
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: numbers don't go up that much. I also think that

723
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: there's like there's a weird signal to other teams. Soo's like,

724
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: why are the Mets not trembling to sign these guys?

725
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Look at this roster, this team looks terrible and they

726
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: have no urgency to sign petere, A, Lonzo or Edwin.

727
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: What do they know?

728
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just the Galaxy brand of it all. Or again,

729
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: like there's or markets, there's not many sooths for these guys.

730
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: There really isn't, which sucks for them because they're such

731
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: great players. But like, who's giving Edmond d As a

732
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: five year deal? Like the Blue Jays, you're not going

733
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: to prioritize the closer over these big time position players

734
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: like Edwind did. If he hasn't signed yet, probably he's

735
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: not signing the mega deal as Kyle Tucker.

736
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Speaker 1: That's if he wants to play for these teams too. True,

737
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: he might be like, I have four teams I want

738
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: to play. We don't know.

739
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm not I have no inside information.

740
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: But like I think sometimes a lot of things that

741
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: we don't remember either is that these these players still

742
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: also don't have to go to cities just because they

743
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: get the good contracts. They're humans.

744
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of this too.

745
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: And again, like let's think about where which teams will

746
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: even put up the budget for an Edwin Dz.

747
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: The Met's one of them. They have a lot of leverage.

748
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: Next, like how we just got a guy comfortable with

749
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: this closer then theoretically the Yankees, but we know they're

750
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: not actually trying to spend money right now.

751
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: No, they're poor.

752
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: Potentially, the Phillies they just made a huge tray of

753
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: Jean Durant. I don't think they're going to do that.

754
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: The Blue Jays, they have other things they want to

755
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: fill before they circle back on Edwin Diz. The Dodgers

756
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: they just made a huge reliever mistake last year. I

757
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: really can't see them doing a big long term commitment.

758
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: For theoretical, theoretically they could all those teams theoretically can

759
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: it's just kind of using the hints that we've received

760
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: so far to think if it's actually real or not.

761
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: And then, like the Rangers would have been another team,

762
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: but they don't want to spend money. Broke. The Angels

763
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: are always in, always in the can't count out the Angels.

764
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: But I think anyone who's seen what's going on with

765
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: them this offseason, hearing all that stuff, you want to

766
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: stay a thousand feet away a thousand feet.

767
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: It's not enough feet thousan miles, I'd said miles, Yeah,

768
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: not thousand miles.

769
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: The Dodgers and Giants are all within a thousand miles.

770
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: Maybe the Giants are one of these seems we also

771
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: we haven't heard much about them wanting to spend big money,

772
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: but maybe that's how they fit Todas in there. It's

773
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: just you're not going over the cups. I guess maybe

774
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

775
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: You're not going to red Sox.

776
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: No, and especially these list keeps getting tighter and tiler

777
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: when it seems like guys like Pete and Edwin who

778
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: do not have rings, if they want to sign for

779
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: a place for the long term deal, they can actually

780
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: get them one Like that really really starts to shrink

781
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: and who's actually going to sign these guys, especially.

782
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: For guys who I think like are hoping they can

783
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: be on a Hall of Fame path and the ring

784
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: could be the difference maker at times for these guys.

785
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: And even just to think back, remember that to Como

786
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: article right when the off season began and we were like, oh,

787
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Socmo losing his fastball, saying that Pete is the more

788
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: likely return than Edwin. Now I'm really exactly see what

789
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: he meant, just because the Edwin market seems like it

790
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: does have a few more logical soothers than the Pete one. Yeah,

791
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: because Pete's market, I legitimately don't know who's gonna sign

792
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: him if it's not the Mets.

793
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: Or the Red CROs like the Red Sox bremant whether

794
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: they're not doing it.

795
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like obviously the Phillies could, Like I think I

796
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: think that would make logical sense for moving Harper to

797
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: the outfield if you're not going to be an on

798
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker and those guys, or you move raw milk,

799
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: blood letting Harp of the DH because who knows those

800
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: and can move around the outfit? It becomes the DH.

801
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't say Pete becomes the first base.

802
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, as he deteriorates in his and his skin,

803
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be the Braves, it's not gonna be

804
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: the Marlins, it's not going to be the Nationals, it's

805
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: not going to be nor By Division.

806
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Reds.

807
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: I'm literally trying to think of the Reds are actually

808
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: when that could be realistic? Like, but if Pete gets

809
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: a three year deal from the reds and three yearly

810
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: from the Mets. Go and stay with the Mets, Like

811
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: that's not even big, Like this sucks.

812
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: Repeat that this is.

813
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: This is kind of the market that's delivered for him,

814
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: but it's great for the Mets.

815
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: He also had an opportunity to take a really fair

816
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: deal at one point, we know, and then he Scott

817
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Boris gotten away a little bit.

818
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: No, that was before bors. He got bor That was

819
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: pre Boris.

820
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I thought that.

821
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I thought that was the Boris move.

822
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: I think that was before bor I think he went

823
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Boris after that because like, now I gotta get the deal.

824
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: You know who was his bad agent?

825
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: Then I probably looked that up, but I gonna do

826
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 3: it live. There were some other interesting things that uh

827
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: Stern said. Won He kind of threw a media cold

828
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: water on Kyle Tucker, being like that we don't see

829
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: he said, because someone asked him about a deal like Solos.

830
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: You see, having a big deal like Solos on your

831
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: books step preclude you from getting a long term deal

832
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: in this class. He was like, we don't see deals

833
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: like Solos ever in our lives or players like show this.

834
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: I doesn't have to do any of this because that

835
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: was such a Unicorn event, but he talked about not

836
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: wanting to block. He said he used to the term

837
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: like a bunch or the few exciting field prospects that

838
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: I think are going to be big contributed to this

839
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: club for a long time, like that was a reason

840
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: that they felt okay trading bread and Demo. And that

841
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: was also a reason he doesn't see them really super

842
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: in on the long term corner outfield market.

843
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Either makes sense, I can't see it. I still we

844
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: kind of felt that.

845
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: Until Cody Bellinger's not here, I won't believe it. That's

846
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: another one.

847
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: But like last year Cody Bellinger, people were the clubs

848
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: were like, if someone pays this guy, they can have him.

849
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: And now he's gonna get a six year deal. No way.

850
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: Two years ago this year, maybe it's four.

851
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Two years ago, there were he was twenty seven years old,

852
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: people like that because someone gave this guy three for

853
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: eighty he signed like for nothing. Now that he was

854
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: smoking that good in LA, it's that different now, Like

855
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: I really I believe the Cody Bellinger six year contract

856
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: when I see it, but also if he gets it,

857
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't want it. That's fair.

858
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Four Uh.

859
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: One thing that he mentioned that I loved I love

860
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: hearing about Christian Scott.

861
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: He says he expects them to be ready for good trading.

862
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's RAZI here, That's huge.

863
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: It's easy to forget that, like Christian Scott was like

864
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: the Nolan mclaan and johnah Tong before those guys were.

865
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: You were that was like, my guy doesn't One of

866
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the giddiest I've ever seen you is when he made

867
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Speaker 1: his debut.

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Speaker 2: You were like you literally were like, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: go to work, I'm going to this game.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, when he made his debut. Was that Saturday night,

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Speaker 3: Well that was that was talking. But that was I

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Speaker 3: don't imagine by listening to this podcash.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm not talking about current I'm talking about previous.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 3: That Saturday night, I had like a friend's birthday party

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00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: in Williamsburg, and I was like, I'm gonna come late

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Speaker 3: becase I'm gonna I'm gonna have live tweet this entire

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Speaker 3: Christian Scott debut.

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Speaker 1: And that is funny too. That was like the best

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Speaker 1: time by going to the game. No, I went through

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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The next one, the first one against the Brave struck

883
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: out of the Cooni with Chather, I was like, oh

884
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: my god, this is crazy. But the fact that he

885
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: could just be a weapon that's going to be ready

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Speaker 3: in the mix for opening day, I believe he still

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00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: has options, So I think he's going to be someone's

888
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 3: options that can move around a lot.

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Speaker 1: But it's nice.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice thing to have because again, how exciting

891
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: he was when you came up. What kind of potentially

892
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: still see on that arm, Like there's there's a lot

893
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: that can happen with Christian's God, and we just we're

894
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: not going to get the ace at the top. He

895
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: as many bodies as possible, many more than we had

896
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Speaker 3: last year, and he could be one of those bodies.

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Speaker 3: A j Mint are also expected to be ready a

898
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Speaker 3: little bit after opening day, which forget about Big Boom AJ.

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Speaker 2: He was money for us.

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Speaker 1: He was nails and I really I'm really looking forward

901
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: to him pitching again because this bullpen could desperately use

902
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: him oh badly.

903
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: And if Benjamin didn't get hurt, we probably make the

904
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Speaker 2: playoffs last Sea. Oh definitely make the playoffs. Yeah, it's

905
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: not even a question.

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00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: I think Also I couldn't I couldn't stand out the

907
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: wise maybe think of it, but my mind just went there.

908
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't stand Ali Marmal going on foul territory and

909
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, oh yeah, we knew about that hellsy

910
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: pitch tipping thing. Do you really it was like, yeah,

911
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: easy fix it was it was. It was a little

912
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: bend in in his pre pre wind upset. God fucking

913
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Oli Marmole guy's days are numbered, I.

914
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Speaker 1: Don't think so.

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00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 3: I think the fact that they went back in on him,

916
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: they're they're they're locked in, ready to go brain dead.

917
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Speaker 1: But I guess whatever, if you can't win with a

918
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: bad team, you can't win a bad team. The last

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00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: thing I'll mention about Steren's conversations that got asked about

920
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: Wan so Do and Francisco Lindor, and I think we

921
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: have our answer. Guys, they're not friends, but it doesn't

922
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: matter because all they tried to do was win baseball games,

923
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: and that's all we should ever care about. We lost

924
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: fucking sight in twenty twenty four because of good friendships,

925
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: es in Kumbaya and fucking that little purple monster Grimace. Now,

926
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: winning baseball games that's number one focus. That's all that matters.

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Speaker 2: You don't need kumba ya, No.

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Speaker 3: A couple guys gotta be friends Shore and you got

929
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Speaker 3: coworkers of friends.

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00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: We got one common goal, win baseball games. That's all

931
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Speaker 1: I want this Mets team to want to do.

932
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Speaker 3: Son, It's like, yeah, they both work really hard, but

933
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: both the lead players really happy to have them. Man,

934
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Speaker 3: I see He's like when I see them, they interact

935
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: really well. That's perfect, exactly perfect. And then the last

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Speaker 3: thing just before we leave you guys, is that the

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Speaker 3: draft lottery is going to be on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We got zero point three percent.

939
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Speaker 1: Right, This is a massive deal for the Mets.

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Speaker 3: A huge deal for the Mets because because we went

941
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 3: over the second level of the competitive balance tax threshold,

942
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Speaker 3: our first pick is going to get moved back ten spots.

943
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: That's been happening every single year with Steve Cohen because

944
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: we spend money. We're proud to do that. Don't don't

945
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: care happy about that. But because we sucked last year

946
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: and we're actually in this lottery as one of the

947
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: teams of the best records that missed the playoffs, we

948
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Speaker 3: have a point seven exactly a point six to seven

949
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Speaker 3: percent chance sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: To have the number one overall pick. Unlikely there. But

951
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: if we get a top six pick, our draft pick

952
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: does not move back so nice, that would be incredible,

953
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: especially because truthfully, the most valuable thing about all these

954
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Speaker 1: draft picks is the money that comes whatever slot you landed,

955
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: and the Mets being in six versus where would they

956
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: be slated to fall right.

957
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: Now just one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. It

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: gotta be like our text seven twelve, thirteen. We're slaved

959
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: to go fourteen right.

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00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: Now, okay, and then when you drop back another ten's

961
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Speaker 1: on a huge difference in terms of money, and that

962
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Speaker 1: does change the guys that you can draft in the

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Speaker 1: rounds after.

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Speaker 3: The first And something also great about being the top

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Speaker 3: of draft if you actually have a budget, which again

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00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: I don't want them as to ever beat the top

967
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 3: of the draft again. But if we get so lucky

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Speaker 3: this year, a lot of those teams at the top

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: of the draft play.

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Speaker 1: Games with their top draft picks.

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Speaker 3: They want low slot guys, They want to take their

972
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Speaker 3: shots later on. They don't want to do this negotiation

973
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Speaker 3: before the draft. They don't want to go for the

974
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Speaker 3: big prep high school bad I mean, the Pirates got lucky,

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Speaker 3: we're able to do that too.

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Speaker 2: Years Ago Connor Griffin. It might be the best player

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Speaker 2: in baseball in a few years.

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Speaker 3: So if we are able to somehow miraculously get into

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Speaker 3: that top five, we could possibly get a number one,

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00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: number over over, number two overall type of talent, because

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Speaker 3: we're just willing to go heavily overslot with that first pick,

982
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Speaker 3: where some other smaller market teams may not be as willing.

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Speaker 2: To do so be sick. Would be sick a lot

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Speaker 2: going on winter meetings.

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Speaker 1: If there's anything big, which I almost guarantee within an

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Speaker 1: hour of us finishing recording, we're gonna get something. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in the morning. If there's something

988
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: to talk about. This is the place for you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for watching, Thanks for listening. To catch

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Speaker 2: you on the next one peace out, that guys, let's

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Speaker 2: go Betts.

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