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Speaker 1: Advice. Hell No, Welcome to the Naughty Then Night Show

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Speaker 1: and your houst Ram Shooter and Ease Thursday, which means

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Speaker 1: our dear friend Mark Loopo joins us. Hey, Loopy are

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Speaker 1: you there?

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Speaker 2: Loopy lewis here?

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Speaker 1: Hello Wrap, Hey Loops, I haven't seen you in person

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Speaker 1: for way too long. We're like ships that keep passing

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Speaker 1: in the night. We're going to the same events, but

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Speaker 1: at different times, going to the same parties, but as

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Speaker 1: one leaves, the other one arrives. I'm going to London

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Speaker 1: next week, so when I'm back, we have to make

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Speaker 2: We have to because the Zoom is great, but it's

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Speaker 2: started up. I need to see you in person.

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Speaker 1: I know. When we're on the Zoom we sometimes forget.

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Speaker 1: We're here to do a job, a job we love.

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Speaker 1: But before the zoo we gossip. But that I lie.

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Speaker 1: I can't talk to you any more. Bark. We've got

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Speaker 1: a hit record because I've only got forty minutes on this,

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Speaker 1: so we have to squeeze out the show. Don't worry, Mark,

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Speaker 1: we will get together and Natica will tell you everything

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Speaker 1: we got about. Okay, let's jump into the show. What

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Speaker 1: time is it? My friend so is tea time. This

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Speaker 1: story is so controversial and it makes me feel both

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Speaker 1: good and bad. Let me explain. So, Kate Middleton, this

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Speaker 1: is a good thing, has turned a corner in her

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Speaker 1: battle with cancer, reveals a friend. However, should the friend

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Speaker 1: be talking at all? That's the question. So, Kate Middleton,

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Speaker 1: the Princess of Wales, is on the mend after a grueling,

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Speaker 1: grueling battle with cancer. According to a friend, the princess's

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Speaker 1: quote turned a corner in her treatment. That's good, offering

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Speaker 1: a glimmer of hope during these challenging times. The source

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Speaker 1: went on to share with Vanity Fair that it's been

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Speaker 1: a tremendous relief to see that she's doing well to

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Speaker 1: the medication. She's doing a lot better and we couldn't

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Speaker 1: be more thankful. Now. I love all this good news. Mark,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong here. However, didn't we learn a

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Speaker 1: lesson with Kate a couple of months ago that the

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Speaker 1: speculation that the press that they talk in the whispering

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Speaker 1: the friends the sources, didn't we learn that that might

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Speaker 1: not be such a good thing. Now, I'm a gossip columnist.

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Speaker 1: I love gossip. I love talking about people, talking to people.

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Speaker 1: I want to know about Kate, and I certainly want

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Speaker 1: to know good news. If this is bad news, maybe

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Speaker 1: i'd think a little differently, But it's good news. Mark.

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Speaker 1: Should her friends shut up or should they keep telling

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Speaker 2: I mean her friends should shut up. We love it

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Speaker 2: is that keeps us going. But listen, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think the royal family, the Palace, they need to kind

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Speaker 2: of update their the way they approach pr right. And

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Speaker 2: so they fumbled many times over the last few years.

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Speaker 2: And so of the information that we find out usually

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Speaker 2: comes from sources or it's being reported in blogs, and

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Speaker 2: and so I think I want to hear from the palace.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from.

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Speaker 1: Keith in some way.

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Speaker 2: They don't always you know, day by day updates, but

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Speaker 2: at least let us know what's going on when we

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Speaker 2: we don't speculate and make up stories and cause for

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Speaker 1: It's such a good point, and it applies to your

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Speaker 1: life too. If you're not going to tell your story,

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Speaker 1: somebody else will, somebody in the family, a friend, somebody

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Speaker 1: that doesn't like you. If you're not going to tell

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Speaker 1: your own story, that story doesn't go away. It's a

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Speaker 1: real antiquated theory of PR. In the old days. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking ten twenty years ago. If you didn't talk, the

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Speaker 1: story died. Now the world has changed now outlets, news

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Speaker 1: organizations really actually serious news organizations like people Vanity Faire

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Speaker 1: Us Weekly, they will be quite happy to talk to

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Speaker 1: a source. I'd rather talk to you on the record.

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Speaker 1: On the record means you are named. So Mark Lupo

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Speaker 1: said the following, and then I put the quote. If

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Speaker 1: Mark didn't want to be named, if he wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a source, it would say a source says the following,

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Speaker 1: and then the quote. And so I agree with you here,

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Speaker 1: Mark Pallace, if you're listening, a letlow. The best way

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Speaker 1: hard way, but a really interesting way. About twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: when I was working with Jlo E True Hollywood Stories,

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Speaker 1: Remember those who I loved Them? On E they were

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Speaker 1: doing an hour special on Jennifer Lopez because it was

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Speaker 1: all her friends, all her family members. I texted everybody saying,

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Speaker 1: So all I did was cut out all the people

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Speaker 1: with people who will say horrible things. So this is

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Speaker 1: a complicated issue. It's sort of a bit of an

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Speaker 1: do for a living mark, which brings us to our

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Speaker 1: pole question of the day, what do you think about this.

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Speaker 1: Friends of Kate are telling us really good news. I

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Speaker 1: my question is should her friends shut up? Should her

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Speaker 1: they all shut up? Hey? Go vote on at to

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Speaker 1: page at Naughty Nice rob Our facebook page is Naughty Gossip.

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Speaker 1: Be sure you take that tomorrow to hear your results. Hey, Loopy,

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Speaker 1: what are you working on?

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Diddy rob Okay. So, federal investigators are

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Speaker 2: preparing to present Sean Diddy Coombe's accusers to a grand jury. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is getting pretty serious. So the legal troubles for

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Speaker 2: Sean Diddy Combs are intensifying as federal prosecutors moved forward

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Speaker 2: Sources told CNN that witnesses had been notified by investigators

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Speaker 2: a federal grand jury in New York City. This development

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Speaker 2: Boy Records founder, seven of which allege sexual assault. What

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna have more and more of these stories

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Speaker 1: grand jury. This is all gonna come out once that

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Speaker 1: His people are still trying to push the narrative that

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Speaker 1: We saw the tape. I think that's a bad narrative

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Speaker 1: the hook here. I have such conflicted feelings about this Mark.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I worked for Didday. When these allegations

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Speaker 1: Could he be a bit bossy? Yes? When he called

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Speaker 1: I know it's exhausting, But I didn't know about this.

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Speaker 1: Now I know I've seen the tape, Mark, and I

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Speaker 1: completely disavowed him. I'm embarrassed that he's on my resume.

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed that I was part of the Diddy machine.

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Speaker 1: For a while, I've been thinking in my own mind, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this, and my world with

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Speaker 1: him was not personal. It was just about his publicity,

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Speaker 1: for his records, or his fragrances, or his clothesline. But

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Speaker 1: I think, Marks, it's a tricky path for me to walk.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Course, And I understand that, but I think also you

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Speaker 2: So you know, you did what you did. You work

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Speaker 2: And I you know, feel conflicted too. This is someone

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Speaker 1: It's all a lie. Yeah, yeah, it's all a life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. Market has really pulled heavy

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Speaker 1: not a bad guy. But if you if you don't

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Speaker 1: say something about this, if you're silent, then you were complicit.

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Speaker 1: Then you were involved in the problem. This stuff cannot continue, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Moving along, Fans of Pete Davidson are defending him after

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Speaker 1: he walked off stage because he was relentlessly heckled. So

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Speaker 1: he was out on stage, He's on a comedy tour

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Speaker 1: and people went nuts, and not in a good way.

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Speaker 1: They were heckling him, screaming at him, to the point

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Speaker 1: got like that as a society now, haven't we we

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Speaker 1: boo people Travis Kelsey when he's had a game, a

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian has recently booed at the Tom Brady Roast

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Speaker 1: and now Pete Davidson. He's up there working, This is

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Speaker 1: his job, but he wants to tell jokes and people

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Speaker 1: are booing so loudly that he can't even do it.

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Speaker 1: Why go to the show? If I was gonna pay

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Speaker 1: all that money to see Madonna Taboo, I'd be a fool.

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Speaker 1: Why would I get a ticket to somebody I don't like?

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Speaker 1: Help me understand this.

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Speaker 2: Mark, It's hard to understand, you know. Like I was

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Speaker 2: reading about the reactions of other people who were there,

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Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Do you think Jlo

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