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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards normally a

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Speaker 1: podcast about the worst people in all of history, but

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Speaker 1: not today because today is the Christmas episode. And with

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Speaker 1: producer Sophie Lichterman him give him about Sophie. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: so if he didn't want about you, that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of mean. You can bow to me, Robert the inestimable

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Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus. Why has everybody doing this holiday season? Everyone

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Speaker 1: feeling youle and tide? I'm feeling I'm feeling good. I've

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Speaker 1: been I've been consuming a lot of Christmas content. Oh good,

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Speaker 1: I Santy University is good to go. I feel you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel as good as I possibly could in this moment.

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Speaker 1: I won't last, no, no, of course not. I mean

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Speaker 1: maybe a little. We got a festive story this year,

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Speaker 1: but um yeah, Christmas is is a is a wonderful season.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing a whole lot of Christmas content. I

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Speaker 1: did my yearly viewing of White Christmas, which was the

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Speaker 1: first movie filmed in color. It pre dates Alaska being

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Speaker 1: fact that it was even subtle is is a surprise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't notice it. I watched it every year as

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Speaker 1: old bingo. Uh, it's it's it's I watched, Robert, you

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Speaker 1: Princess Switch movie. What I think you have some like

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Speaker 1: they it's kind of like the Holiday that Nancy Myers movie.

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Speaker 1: underneath the Czar's oppression. So the Zapparas had been mostly

419
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Speaker 1: like wiped out by the Russian government back in the

420
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds. A lot of them have been turned in

421
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: the surfs, their homes and lands despoiled, but they were

422
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of still around and most more or less baked

423
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: into the scenery by October, when a little baby boy

424
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Speaker 1: named Nestor Martin was born. The Zaparas is such a

425
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: good name for hard core name games in the good

426
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: it sounds like a college band as a compliment. That's

427
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I love kind of Eastern European

428
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: history because everything is just rad as fuck. It all

429
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: sounds very like punk ross. Yeah, it's it's an incredibly

430
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: punk rock region of the globe. So Nestor was the

431
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Speaker 1: fifth son of his parents, who had been serfs to

432
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Speaker 1: a guy named Shebelski back in the days before getting

433
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: their freedom. Now, the land that they'd been given was

434
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: too small to feed them, and so Nestor's dad spent

435
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: the rest of his life working for the guy who

436
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: used to own him, which sucks. I wouldn't. I don't

437
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: imagine five. I'm trying to pursue. Yeah, you don't want that. Uh.

438
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Nestor was a very good student, with a particular gift

439
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: for arithmetic and reading, but he only got about two

440
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: truncated school years worth of education before his dad died

441
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: and his family was poor enough that had aged ten,

442
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: he had to start working full time. Um wait, how

443
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: old does he what? He's a ten full time? He's

444
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: a ten year old man. He's wow. I love that.

445
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: Well double digits, you know, grow the funk up? Nestor

446
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: was his job. You know what else is a ten

447
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: year old man? Jamie? But no where is this going

448
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: the products and services support this podcast. This is so inaccurate,

449
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Hard Tin little entrepreneurs. It's not Shark Tank, Robert. It

450
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: could be if we'd been a child on Shark Tank.

451
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: That's so fucked up. Cable television there, I know what

452
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: we've been talking about is fucked up. There was a

453
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: little kid on once and his his pitch was terrible,

454
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: so Mark Cuban put a cigar out on him. Wow,

455
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: that's good. It was good TV. That has told me

456
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: that sounds very true. It could be true. I mean,

457
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's an adult putting a cigarette out

458
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: on you that'll teach you to never do things. An

459
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: adult putting a cigar out on you that'll keep you

460
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: bound to the land. That's a career change. That is

461
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: a career change. All right, here's products that probably won't

462
00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: put a cigar out on you. We're back. So I

463
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: have almost finished my first full cup of Death Wish coffee,

464
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: which is reportedly the strongest coffee in the world. And

465
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I guess I have a severe caffeine addiction. Because you

466
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: have a caffeine addiction. I just like Rush ordered sugar

467
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: free pear Red Bull to my house. Yeah, I mean

468
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: it's pretty good coffee. Actually, it's nice. I got. I

469
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: got a pair of Red Bull is the one that

470
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: you also like Robberies. The sugar free pair Red Bull

471
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: is very tasty. I got a real Ship Yourself brand

472
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: of iced coffee today. I got like it's got too

473
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: much dairy in it. It's it's I think I've talked

474
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: about it with you before. It's the TikTok Stars coffee order.

475
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: I wish there was a brand with the courage to

476
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: just be called ship Yourself iced coffee. It's just like

477
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: this coffee will make you ship yourself. You need to

478
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: get your day started, like we will fucking ruin your pants.

479
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: You will never sleep again. But you better wear a

480
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: pair of pants. You're not to attach that you're telling me, Jamie. Yeah,

481
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: I got the Charlie at Duncan. Jonna's Charlie. But know

482
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: who Charlie is? Just I think that's honestly, I was

483
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: so worried. And he doesn't don't know, don't learn what

484
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: You're not talking about any Charlie. Here, we're talking about

485
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: Nestor Macnow. So, Nestor was a good student as a

486
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: little boy. He had a gift for arithmetic and m Yeah,

487
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: he only got about two years of school before at

488
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: age ten. He has to help provide for his family.

489
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: He worked full time from ten onwards, generally for other

490
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: wealthy property owners, like the man who had once owned

491
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: his parents. Nestor later wrote that this experience awoken him

492
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: a sort of rage, resentment, and even hatred for the

493
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: wealthy property owner. I think we can all identify with that.

494
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that's very relatable in for us,

495
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: and and little relatable guy. He's a cool I feel

496
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: like Okay, I am picturing ten year old nest with

497
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: the shell hair that I'm seeing in all of the

498
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Google images of his cossacks. Yeah, he had a full

499
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: beard by age seven. Absolutely, that's when you become a

500
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: little man. That's what happened. Yeah, So, more than anything,

501
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: Nestor hated the wealthy children of these rich people. He

502
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: particularly hated when these that is very relatable. He called

503
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: them young idolers, and he, more than anything, he hated

504
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: when they would walk near him. Quote and this is

505
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: from Nestor's biography, all fresh and neat, with full bellies

506
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: and the cleanest clothes, reeking of perfume, while he filthy

507
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: and in rags, barefooted and stinking of dung, scattered betting

508
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: for the calves. See, from an early age, Nestor like

509
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: he was working in like the He was like fucking

510
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: cleaning up after the cow. So he smelled like ship

511
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: all the time. And he was extremely aware from an

512
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: early age that his circumstances were unjust and that the

513
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: situation was crooked um. He also felt it was more

514
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: or less hopeless. He told himself that, yeah, yeah, like

515
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: you fucking get to smell nice because I have to

516
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: clean up ship for your family, Like, I fucking hate

517
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: you people. I love the child with deep seated class

518
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: issues from like the jump that is like a very

519
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: powerful energy from to take into fucking jump. Yeah, he

520
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: goes from zero to fucking step. Yeah, it's like the

521
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I it reminds me of all the Sophie.

522
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember those weird uh, those weird little juice

523
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: bar perfumes that like rich girls in junior high would have.

524
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: They had pictures of gummy bears on them. They all

525
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: went to fucking soccer camp. It was disgusting. I'm with

526
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm with Nestor. Meanwhile, I feel like a goddamn hot dog. Yeah.

527
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely did not own because I was not

528
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: a hip or rich. But yes, you know you brought

529
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: this up in our Mark Zuckerberg episode, Jamie that time

530
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: you were drunk and huck a bottle at a rich

531
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Stanford kid who was a Harvard kid who was who

532
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: was was rowing, he was rowing. Yeah, nest has strong

533
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: hucking a beer bottle at a rowing Ivy League college energy.

534
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: It's sick. It's sick. I like him so far. I

535
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't up. He doesn't,

536
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't succeed in his ultimate goals, but

537
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: they're pretty ambitious. Yeah. Um, so yeah. He he felt

538
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: that like as fucked up as the situation where it

539
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: was pretty much an healthless Uh, this is how things are.

540
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: And he, you know, he had it was his lot

541
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: in life to work for his landowning masters, and they

542
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: would pay him a pittance to wreak of animal ship

543
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: so that they didn't have to wreak of animal ship.

544
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: So Nestor went on with life, showing enough talent that

545
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: as he grew up, he was promoted from taking care

546
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: of cows to taking care of horses, which is the

547
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: podcasting of the Taking Care of Animals game. Yeah yeah.

548
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Now it was in this job that he would witness

549
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: one of the defining experiences of his young life. He

550
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: walked into the stable one day to see the landlord's

551
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: sons beating several of the young peasant boys who worked

552
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: in the stable for some minor funk up. He was

553
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: enraged by this, but the dark recesses of his mind,

554
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: as he wrote it, made him accept it, and like

555
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: a real slave, he strove, just like the others about him,

556
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to avert his eyes and pretend he saw and heard

557
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: not a thing. So he's saying, like, mentally, in this period,

558
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: he was so enslaved that like he couldn't even resist this,

559
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Like he knew what was fucked up, but there was

560
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: nothing to do. He'd grown up hearing stories about his

561
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: parents being beaten. His mom had been a surf and

562
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: she there's this thing called the corvet, which is this

563
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: old tradition under serfdom where you have to do free

564
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: forced labor in lieu of taxes for your master. And

565
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: she refused to do it at one point after being freed,

566
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: when she didn't have to um, and she'd been whipped

567
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: fifteen times for doing so. So he'd grown up hearing

568
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: stories like this that like if you don't do what

569
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: they want, they'll they just beat you, and that's the

570
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: way life is. But he also had this he'd also

571
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: he was came from Cossack ancestry, so his mom had

572
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: also told him stories of the battles of his free

573
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: ancestors who had like fought for their liberty, you know,

574
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: with fucking swords. So he grows up with both of

575
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: these things in his in his mind, you know. And

576
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm assuming his mom admitted the genocide. Um, I mean

577
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: moms tend to do that. That's a classic mom move. Yeah. Um. So,

578
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, Nestor grows up like kind of consumed with

579
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: this mixture of rage at what his mom had endured

580
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: and the sense that he had ancestors who wouldn't have

581
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: taken this ship, which is kind of warring in him

582
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: when he's twelve, fourteen years old, and eventually the same

583
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: situation came round again where he sees kids being beaten

584
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: by the children of his his master, and gonna quote

585
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: from Anarchy's Cossack here. One summer's day in nineteen o two,

586
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: the young Nestor, thirteen years old, was present at a

587
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: run of the mill scene. The landlord's sons, his manager,

588
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: and his assistant set about insulting and then raining blows

589
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: on the second stable boy in the presence of all

590
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: the other stable hands half dead from fear at the

591
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: wrath of their masters. That's Nestor's words. Nestor could take

592
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: no more, and he ran off to alert the head

593
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: stable boy, bot coo Ivan, who was busy in a

594
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: cow shed trimming the horse's tails, learning of what was afoot.

595
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Botko Ivan, an elemental force burst like a man possessed

596
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: into the room where the chastisement was underway, pitched into

597
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: the young nobles and their acolytes, and sent them rolling

598
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: in the dirt with swathing punches and kicks. The attackers attacked,

599
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: fled and disarray, some through the window, some through the

600
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: nearest doorway. This was the signal for revolt. All of

601
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the day laborers and stable boys were outraged and went

602
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: off in a body to demand an explanation. The old

603
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: landlord took fright and in conciliatory tone, besought them to

604
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: forgive the idiocy of his young heirs to remain in

605
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: his service, and even undertook to see that nothing of

606
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: the sort would ever happen again. Botko Ivan related the

607
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: episode to young Nestor, treating him to the first words

608
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: of rebellion he had ever heard in his life. And

609
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: this is Botko Ivan. Bodka's like boss. Basically, Hi, everybody,

610
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: Robert Evans here, and I need to admit something I

611
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: lied to Jamie just then. Botko does not mean boss,

612
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: it means daddy. And if you know anything about Jamie

613
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: loft As you understand why I had to lie to

614
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: her about what that word meant, because we would not

615
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: have gotten through the episode otherwise, no one hears countenance

616
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: the disgrace of being beaten. And as for you, little Nestor,

617
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: if one of your masters should ever strike, you, pick

618
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: up the first pitchfork you lay hands on and let

619
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: him have it. This advice, once poetic and brutal, left

620
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: a terrible mark upon Nestor's young soul and awakened him

621
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: to his dignity. Henceforth, he would keep a fork or

622
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: some other tool within reach, meaning to put it to

623
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: good use. So after this he keeps like a fork

624
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: on him at all times in case he's got to

625
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: stab a rich kid, which rules on the way that

626
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: this is written is first of all, very like cinematic

627
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: yepic the way it's written, because it's all they're all

628
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: he's saying is and then the guy beat the ship

629
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: out of a bunch of rich kids and it was awesome,

630
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: And carry a fork with me, like because I'm weird.

631
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: But that is so it sounds like a like a

632
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: superhero origin story. He when you hear this guy's life,

633
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: there's a bit of that, Like he he has a

634
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: he's a fucking and he's you know, there's a lot

635
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: of people who hate this guy. We'll talk a little

636
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: bit about some of allegations against him because he was

637
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: he wound up being anti Soviet. You know, he fought

638
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: against the Reds and the whites during the Soviet the

639
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Russian Civil War, um. So there's a lot of to

640
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: like anybody on this podcast, and then I'll tell you

641
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: about this, but that happened later. We don't know if

642
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: it actually happened, because there's a lot of like he

643
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: fought against when he realized what the Soviet Union was

644
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: going to be. He fought against the Bolsheviks as well

645
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: as the fascists and the monarchists, um. Because he was

646
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: like an advocate of liberty, and like, yeah, there are

647
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of stories that he already I know, we

648
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: said he already had a beard by the time that

649
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: this happened. But I imagine actually at the end of

650
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: this story, a beard explodes out of his face because

651
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: he's had just this revelatory moment when when Botko Ivan

652
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: tells him to just stab rich people, he like a

653
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: beard explodes out of his beard. That was his second beard. Yeah, yeah,

654
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: you're a man in Ukraine. When you get your second beard. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: first beard, that's kids ship. Yeah, have a beard, because

656
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: he hasn't lost his baby beard yet. At age fourteen,

657
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: Nestor quit his stable job and got a gig as

658
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: an apprentice at a local foundry. He made wheels for

659
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: harvesting machines, and this improvement in his own quality of

660
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: life corresponded to a similar improvement among the rest of

661
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: his family. His three older brothers got married and left

662
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: the home to set up households of their own, which

663
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: meant things were a bit less tight for Nestor and

664
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: his mother and his younger brother. Eventually, Nestor moved on

665
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: from foundry work to being the sales assistant for a

666
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: wine merchant. But he found this job disgusting. He couldn't

667
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: stand doing it, and he quit after just a couple

668
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: of months. This is too busy, too bougie. And so

669
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: the book Anarchy's Cossack, which is definitely is a very

670
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: well sourced biography. You keep saying Anarchy's Cossack, but I'm

671
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: hearing Gravity's Rainbow each and every time. It's a way

672
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: better book than fucking Thomas Pension. This is an anti

673
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: pension podcast. Asked, I appreciate that yeah. Um, and it's

674
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: available for free online too. You can buy a copy

675
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: from a k Press. But there's also the whole thing

676
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: is hosted on lipcom dot org. But um, yeah, he's

677
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of debate because again, this guy was

678
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: extremely controversial and a lot of people will claim that

679
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: he was an outrageous drunk, that he flew into violent

680
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: rages and like murdered people while drunk. And it's possible,

681
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: like obviously the Ukrainian peasants are a hard drinking people.

682
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: Soldiers who spend multiple years straight without break fighting tend

683
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: to drink heavily. Totally possible he got up to some

684
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: ship while drinking. Also, a lot of these stories tend

685
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: to involve him like cut tearing thirteen people apart with

686
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: a knife or something like crazy ship that like just

687
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't happen, Like this weapon was a fork. Say fake news,

688
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: fake news. Yeah, there's there's it's it's hard to say.

689
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: There's also claims that he was not a drinker at all,

690
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: and Anarchy's Cossack takes the aim that he was like

691
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: not at all a drinker um and that he more

692
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: or less avoided alcohol. I don't think that's entirely true either,

693
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: be like that doesn't sound likely given the environment, right.

694
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: We we do have we do have an account from

695
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: a woman who knew him in his last years in Paris,

696
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: who knew him for like three years and knew him

697
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: fairly well and saw him drink occasionally, but he would

698
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: never drink more than about a glass of wine, and

699
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: he would kind of be fucked up after a glass

700
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: of wine and not able to take more. And she

701
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: was like, he was very temperate, she and she noted

702
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: she assumed that he like drank as much as normal

703
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: peasants strength, but she saw no evidence that he was

704
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: like a hardcore alcoholic or that he got violent when

705
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: he was he was intoxicated. He was definitely prone to depression.

706
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Again, there there's there, There is

707
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: so much. There's so many hit pieces out about this

708
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: guy um that were written at the time. It's kind

709
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: of hard to tell exactly what happened. Was a hater

710
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: and who's reporting the facts? Yeah yeah, now yeah, But

711
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: there's one of the claims is that like he developed

712
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: a distaste for wine in particular and alcohol in general,

713
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: where King for this mine wide margin, he wasn't much

714
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: of a drinker. I don't really know what the case was. Uh,

715
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: I never met the guy because he died. N Yeah.

716
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: So for the next few years after quitting the wine business,

717
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: mak No mostly help his mom keep up their small property,

718
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: take care of their one horse, and did odd jobs

719
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: around town to make ends meet. He spent time working

720
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: as a house painter and a decorator until he'd saved

721
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: up enough money to buy a cart for his brother's

722
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: small farm. That used to drink. He did like he

723
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: did like interior design for Yeah, he was a home

724
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: home decorator for a while. I would love to see

725
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: his portfolio. I'm very curious as well. What is that?

726
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: What is what kind of spaces is nestor curry? He's

727
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: like he's the dining table, no forks, I am the

728
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: only one that can happen. He's strapped with forks, like

729
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: a fucking terrorist with a bomb vests. It's just all property, brothers,

730
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: but with a lot of forks. Yeah, he was. He was.

731
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: He was a guy who had a wide range of

732
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: gigs as a young man. Um things were for his family,

733
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, until nineteen o four, when Russia went to

734
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: war with Japan for no reason. Really, this is the

735
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: Russo Japanese War, one of the dumbest wars that ever happened,

736
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: and Russia gets it's ass handed to its Like this

737
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: war is why Japan becomes a major thing on the

738
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: international stage, because like white people up to nineteen o five,

739
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: which is when the fighting starts, are all like nobody

740
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: can fun with white people, like where the fucking And

741
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: then the Japanese just destroy an entire Russian fleet and

742
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: everyone's like whoa, and that's always one more time. Yeah,

743
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what Europe says after the Russo Japanese War.

744
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean your great alarm sound. So obviously when Russia

745
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: goes to war with Japan, they can they can script

746
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. And Nestor's older brother, Savo was

747
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: sent to the front and he gets horribly injured in

748
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: this war. He's they called he's what's called by people

749
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: at the time, an invalid. The rest of his life

750
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: he's like badly wounded in this and and not not fully. Yeah,

751
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: he never comes back in a lot of ways. Now.

752
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: That war was followed by a failed revolution in nineteen

753
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: o five and nineteen o six of the socialist variety.

754
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: So Russia enters into a dumb war, gets their ass kicked,

755
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: and there's a revolt. Uh, like you do. Now, I

756
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: want to pause here to talk a little bit about

757
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: Czar Nicholas the Second. You know, he's the czar who

758
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: after in nineteen seventeen, gets overthrown, his whole family gets

759
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: killed by the Bolsheviks, and because he and his young

760
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: children get massacred in captivity, I think he's become a

761
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: figure a lot of people find sympathetic. You know, the

762
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: Romanovs there, like, there's a lot of they were brutal dictators,

763
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: right like, Like even Nicholas who there if you read

764
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: like his letters to his wife and stuff, he's a guy.

765
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: There are definitely sympathetic things about him. He's a dude

766
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: who really legitimately loved his wife with rare among royalty.

767
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: He had a sick, terminally ill child, you know, there's

768
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: sick of the Yeah, they were horrible there. They were monsters, monsters,

769
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: And I am no apologist for the Bolsheviks, but I

770
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: will say if there's ever a justified case to murder

771
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: an entire family, it's when they owned you. They fucking

772
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: like they I don't know i've i've I've cracked up

773
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: in my recipe and biography again recently, like they were

774
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: fucking monsters. And also fresh, I hate that argument that

775
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: whenever people make they're like, well, yeah, sure, he was

776
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: a brutal, horrible ruler who hated his people, but he

777
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: was kind of a wife guy. And you're like, I

778
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: don't care if he's a wife guy. I don't care

779
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: if he's a wife guy. So he was a guy who,

780
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: like he would he was very constantly expressed, you know,

781
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: loving his people, um and wanting to like be known

782
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: by them and when they like talk to them and stuff.

783
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: But whenever they would express opinions that he didn't hold

784
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: or that he didn't think they should hold, then the

785
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: dictator came out again, right, Like he loved the idea

786
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: of being loved by his people, but he didn't actually

787
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: like he also thought that he he was like he

788
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: thought he was divinely appointed to rule them. You know,

789
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: he can't be a good guy and think that. Um. So,

790
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to give a little bit of light context to how

791
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: brutal Nicholas himself was, We've talked a lot about the

792
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: brutality of the Russian regime, but let's talk specifically about

793
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: Nicholas here for a second. On January nineteen o five,

794
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: a massive crowd of thousands of workingmen gathered outside the

795
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Tsar's main palace in St. Petersburg to protest all the

796
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: bullshit um and the Czar orders a cracked down on them.

797
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: And a correspondent from the London Times was there, and

798
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: here's what he wrote. The first trouble began at eleven

799
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: o'clock when the military tried to turn back some thousands

800
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: of strikers at one of the bridges. The same thing

801
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: happened almost simultaneously at the other bridges, where the constant

802
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: flow of workmen pressing forward refused to be denied access

803
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: to the common rendezvous in the palace square. The Cossacks

804
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: at first used their nounce wooden clubs, and then the

805
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: flat of their sabers, and finally they fired. The passions

806
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: of the mob broke loose like a bursting damn. The people,

807
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: seeing the dead and dying, carried away in all directions.

808
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: The snow on the streets and evements soaked with blood

809
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: cried allowed for vengeance. Meanwhile, the situation in the palace

810
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: was becoming momentarily worse, the troops were reported to be

811
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: unable to control the vast massage, which were constantly surging forward.

812
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: Reinforcements were sent and at the at two o'clock the

813
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: order was given to fire. The order was given by

814
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: the Tsar. Men, women and children fell at each volley

815
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: and were carried away an ambulance as sledges and carts.

816
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: By the time was over, as many as five hundred

817
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: people had been shot dead on Nicholas's orders. Like that's

818
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: that was like one thing that he did, um, And

819
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, full uprising in nineteen o five is put

820
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: down brutally, uh number one, Like hundreds of different Czarists

821
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: institute programs against Jewish people and leftists who they see

822
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: is the same. In order to you know, defend their monarch.

823
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: Nicholas sends troops into the Baltic provinces in Georgia and

824
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: orders in the massacre everyone who resists. By the time

825
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: it's over, he kills about thirteen thousand people putting down

826
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: this rebellion. Well here's my question, um, then why is

827
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: he made out to be such a nice guy in

828
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: the animated Anastasia my favorite movie, because he seemed really

829
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: nice and he gives her a little kiss on the forehead.

830
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: So I just some questions about that because I'm pretty

831
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: sure that cartoon is a documentary. Yeah, it's it's very

832
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: accurate to how he was with his kids. He just

833
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: had other people's kids shot by mercenaries. They should have

834
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: shown that in the movie. Maybe it could have been fun.

835
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: It might have been nice. You know. There's also only

836
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: always completely truthful and historically accurate on everything that they do.

837
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: Ever documentary on fun it might have been Netflix recently

838
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: about The romanofs that's like a live action one, and

839
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: it does leave out some of the brutality. Love to

840
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: cut the romanofs slack. I want to talk about the

841
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: respute and daughters who got you know, sent to Siberia

842
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: when they were teenagers for for just for just being

843
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: related to rescue and you know, and then what about

844
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: all the kids to got shot. What about what about

845
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: ra Rasputin himself, lover of the Russian Queen. Yeah, the

846
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: king of Disco. He was the King of Disco. So

847
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: when they were like, we found his dick, and then

848
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: they were like, wait a second, this is a pick

849
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: some other giant dick. Uh, there is a giant penis

850
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: out there that's been preserved that is reputed to be resputants,

851
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: but it's probably not. But there is a there is

852
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: a big mummified wagg out there. I don't know, but

853
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: I would like you to make that into an ad

854
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: brag transition. Yeah, you know who else mummifies penises? Tell

855
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: me prods and services that support this podcast. Uh So,

856
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: the revolution didn't really touch Mackno's hometown of Ghulai Poli,

857
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: which is where he grows up, but news of the

858
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: brave attempts of the revolutionaries to overthrow this oar inspire

859
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: mac No. So he grows up hearing about this, and

860
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: he like it sets his imagination aflame, and he starts

861
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: to believe that perhaps people like him are not destined

862
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: to be ruled by kings and landlords and the like.

863
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Nest starts reading forbidden literature, and since he was just

864
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: a baby leftist at this point, that meant social democratic propaganda.

865
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: He was initially thrilled by their quote socialist phraseology and

866
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: their phony revolutionary ardor as the word phony in that

867
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: last sentence probably keyed you went on. He fell out

868
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: of the social democratic spell pretty quickly, so he basically

869
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: he becomes a Democrat for a little while, and then

870
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: it's like these people don't actually want to change things

871
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: the way that I want to change things. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

872
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people can identify with Nestors, like he's actually,

873
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: he's a very relatable guy I've found so far. So

874
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: for a year or so, he's a heart. He's hardcore

875
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: into the social democratic scene. And one of the things

876
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: you'll come to understand about Nestors that when he gets

877
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: into politics, he gets into politics, he starts handing out

878
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: thousands of pamphlets about like social democratic literature to everyone

879
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: who will take them. Um. And then in nineteen o six,

880
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: after like a year of this, he meets some anarchist

881
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: peasants who had a little reading circle in Ghoulia Polly,

882
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: and he found himself attracted to their ideology. Now, the

883
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: most educated member of the group was a guy named

884
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: Valdemar Antony, the son of an immigrant check work and

885
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: a Lathe worker. Valdemar took Nestor under his wing, and

886
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Nestor claims rid his soul once and for all of

887
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: the lingering remnants of the slightest spirit of servility and

888
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: submission to any authority. Okay, Nester gets pilled. Yeah, like

889
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: he literally Okay, So Nestor, there's a bunch of like

890
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Daddy figures in Nestor's life that keep pilling him. So

891
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: now he's got a third beard on top of his

892
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Every time when I say anarchist reading circle, that means

893
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: one thing in the United States today. Um, what Nestor

894
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: and his friends were doing was profoundly illegal. Revolutionaries had

895
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: just tried to overthrow the government all of Russia and

896
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: that included Ukraine at this point was under a state

897
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: of siege, as had been proclaimed by the Czar, talking

898
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: about like social democrats. Ship was illegal, anarchists books were

899
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: like meth to the Tsar's police. People alleged to have

900
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: radical political opinions had just been shot to death and

901
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: moss by cops. So like this is risky shit. Um yeah.

902
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: A bunch of dawn Cossacks who were loyal to the

903
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: Czar had been stationed at guglia I Polly to beat

904
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: the ship out of anyone who's so much as whift

905
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: of socialism. One local writer later described seeing a teacher

906
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: dragged through the streets by two dawn Cossacks with sabers,

907
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: while a third Cossack beat him with a rifle butt, screaming,

908
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: take that you waste for your revolution, Oh my god,

909
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: and again. The Dawn Cossacks are another group of Cossacks

910
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: that are like the Czar's Stormtroopers. Basically, um So Nestor

911
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: and his friends took some serious risks to sit around

912
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: and talk about books. They met once a week in

913
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: a group of ten to fifteen people, and they would

914
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: talk for hours about the idea that it might be

915
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: possible to live without desires someday. Mac Noo later recalled

916
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: for me, such nights we most often would gather to

917
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: meet by night were filled with light and joy. We

918
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: peasants with our meager learning what a symbol In winter

919
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: at the home of one of us, in summer in

920
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: the fields near a pond on the green grass, or

921
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: from time to time, in the broad daylight, like young

922
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: folks out for a stroll, we would meet to debate

923
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: the issues that move us. He remembers this positively all

924
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: his life, like this is that's that's really pleasant. He's

925
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: he's in the book club. Yeah, he's in the nice

926
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: book club. This book club goes to some pretty intense places,

927
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: so that it was just a book club for a

928
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: little while. UM. But after six months of study and

929
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: careful vetting, conversational vetting, they make Nestor a full member

930
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: of the group. UM, so he starts to help his friends.

931
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: They graduate from just reading books to handing out propaganda

932
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: and giving lectures to their fellow peasants UM, and Nestor

933
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: was eager to do more than that. In the wake

934
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: of the Czar's terror, prominent anarchists in Russia had urged

935
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: their fellows into a period of black terror against Czarism itself.

936
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: Being poor peasants, mak No and his friends had few

937
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: options when it came to terror. In order to give

938
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: themselves some options, and options here means guns, they embarked

939
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: on a campaign of what they would call expropriation and

940
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: what the law called simple theft. They would target the

941
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: homes and property of the wealthy, steel it and use

942
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: it to buy weaponry. Makno and his fellow libertarian communists,

943
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: as they called themselves at this point, drew the ire

944
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: of local law enforcement quickly. I'm a quote from Anarchy's

945
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: Cossack here on September five, nineteen o six, and gula

946
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I Polly an attack upon the home of the businessman

947
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: Pletching here by three individuals armed with revolvers with faces blackened.

948
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: On October tent, a fresh attack and gula I Polly

949
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: upon another businessman Bruke, by four individuals, faces concealed by

950
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: paper masks, who brandishing revolvers and bombs, demanded five hundred

951
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: roubles for the starving. A little later, a third attack

952
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: upon a wealthy local industrialist Kerner by four individuals with

953
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: three more acting as lookouts. In August nineteen o seven,

954
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: in the nearby village of Geischer, a fourth attack upon

955
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: yet another businessman, Guovich by four individuals wearing sunglasses. And

956
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: it was this last attack that would get mac known

957
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: as Friends in Trouble because they wound up shooting it

958
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: out with the local cops in order to escape. So yeah,

959
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: reservoir dogs, you know. Yeah. And again, Nestor's like seventeen

960
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: at this point when he gets into his first shootout

961
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: with the cops. Yeah, grew up fast, four beard. So

962
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: after after this, as this, like this fucking crime spree

963
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: is going another, I want to talk about one other

964
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: thing that got into was um lighting fields on fire

965
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: and mass because there's this plan in the wake of

966
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen o five revolution, the czar decides that he

967
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: wants to uh. He wants to create a class of

968
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: peasants who have money, more money than other peasants, like

969
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: middle class, basically to separate the peasants because they were like.

970
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: One of the things that scared him is that all

971
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: of the peasants were kind of the same sort of

972
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: poor together and that might mean they would rebel together.

973
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: So he tries to create this group of like peasants

974
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: who own more land and property than the others called

975
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: KOLs in order to divide them. Uh. And Nestor and

976
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: his friends like. Their response to that is to light

977
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: all of the land of the rich people on fire,

978
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: um as much as they possibly can, right right, I mean,

979
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: that's just logic, that makes sense. So a police superintendent

980
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: named Kariachin of who's generally described as like Ghoulia Polis

981
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes uh starts trying to unravel this anarchist ring,

982
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: like tries to catch them and yeah, yeah, he basically

983
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: tortures people until he can identify the people who are

984
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: responsible for the attacks, but he doesn't have any hard evidence,

985
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't want to arrest them. In nineteen

986
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: o seven, he gets his opportunity though a member of

987
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: a political group called the Social Revolutionaries, and this guy

988
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: was a friend of mock No's borrows mock No's gun,

989
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, it turns out he borrowed it to murder

990
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: his fiance and then shoot himself. And this happens like

991
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: in the middle of a small town. So like, mak

992
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: No runs up to provide medical aid and he gets

993
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: arrested immediately, and then one of his friends is arrested

994
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: for trying to send messages to him in jail, and

995
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: it's like this whole anyway, they wind up in jail, um,

996
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 1: and this Sherlock Holmes dude starts interrogating them and trying

997
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: to break them. Um. But they love that there's an

998
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: anarchist Sherlock Holme. Oh no, he's not an anarchi. He's

999
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: the ars man, he's the tsars. And no, okay, so

1000
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: he's the czars Alock did the does did the anarchists

1001
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: get a Sherlock? No? No, that's the problem, isn't it.

1002
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: They do? Well, we'll talk about what happens to Sherlock

1003
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: in a little bit here But here's what he writes,

1004
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: after trying to interrogate Nester Makno and his friend. I

1005
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: have never before seen men of this metal. I have

1006
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: plenty of evidence on which to state that they are

1007
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: dangerous anarchists. But although I have put their flesh through

1008
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: a little suffering, I have extracted nothing from them. Makno

1009
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: seems like a peasant dolt when one looks at him,

1010
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: but I have very conclusive evidence for claiming that it

1011
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: was he who shot at the gendarmes on August nine seven. Well,

1012
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: now I have done all. I was able to extract admissions,

1013
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: but to no effect. On the contrary, he supplied me

1014
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: with facts which I have checked out, in which I

1015
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: have been forced to acknowledge this correct demonstrating he was

1016
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: not even in Gulia poll on that day. As for

1017
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: the other one, Antony, when I interrogated him, having him

1018
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: beaten at will, he dared declare to me, you dead meat,

1019
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: you'll never get anything out of me. And yet I

1020
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: gave him a good taste of the swing. So he's like,

1021
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's won't talk even though I beat the ship

1022
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: out of him. Okay, so it's so he's I mean,

1023
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: you have to admire that, right if you're I'm trying.

1024
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get into Sherlock's head. I don't like

1025
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: the Sherlock's a government guy. He is. He's a hard

1026
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean the other the actual Sherlock is a government guy.

1027
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: That's true. But at least he did drugs. He did

1028
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: do drugs. I don't know. Maybe this guy did drugs.

1029
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: I hope he did drugs. So Makno and his friends

1030
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: spend ten months in jail. Um. He turns eighteen in jail,

1031
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: and this would not be his last day inside of

1032
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: a cell. He was eventually bailed out by oddly enough,

1033
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: a well off industrialist who was like a friend of

1034
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: his family would hire his family members um and by

1035
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: the time Makna was released, the heat was on his friends,

1036
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: and it was declared for a while that he would

1037
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: avoid breaking the law in order to continue to radicalize

1038
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: and recruit more peasants. So he gets another job as

1039
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: a decorator, and he founds an anarchist study group of

1040
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: his own. Heeps becoming a property brother when he I

1041
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: love that. Mr Mackno loves two things, shooting it out

1042
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: with the cops and putting together a nice living room set.

1043
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: I love that Nestor is out here being like, Okay,

1044
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: I know that we're anarchists, but like, we need to

1045
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: do something with this space. Doesn't mean our throw rugs

1046
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: have to clash with the couch, you know. I feel

1047
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: like people associate too often anarchists with clashing patterns, and

1048
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: I just think that that doesn't need to happen. No,

1049
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: why not? Why Like we can look nice and get

1050
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: into gunfights with the police. Okay, even more so than

1051
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: I want the Czar Sherlock Holmes, I want the anarchist

1052
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: Property Brothers. I do want the anarchist because the anarchist

1053
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: Property Brothers is only squatted properties to like, the big

1054
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: half of the show is fighting the police off to

1055
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: stop an eviction, and the like decorating the interior flop

1056
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: it's not yeah, and then very like relaxed decoration of

1057
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: the spotting spaces. Yeah. So, unfortunately Nestor failed to do.

1058
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, he starts running his own book club, and

1059
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: he fails to do the same kind of strict vetting

1060
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: that his previous group had done for him, and his

1061
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: reading circle quickly discovers that two of its members are

1062
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: czarist info traders. And they kill them both. Like the

1063
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: the the Reading Circle murders two people who are informing

1064
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: the cops. Mom My mom circle did that too. It's

1065
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: just pretty common among book clubs. Look if you if

1066
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: this happens in book clubs all the time, if you

1067
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: are not doing like the correct canonical read of Eat, Pray, Love,

1068
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: you're fucked. Yeah, they will fucking shoot you, bary you

1069
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: in a shallow grave. That's how book clubs work. Have

1070
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: you seen the movie that's what happens. Yeah, that's The

1071
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: Joy Luck Club, if I'm not mistaken. Also that in

1072
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: The Joy Luck Club, And it definitely happens in the

1073
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda one. I got so drunk at that screening

1074
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: of book Club that I got kicked out of the

1075
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: movie theater. That's the only time that's ever happened to me.

1076
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: That's the only time it is. It is. There's times

1077
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: I should have been but I wasn't. But this time

1078
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: you really can't funk with it. You can't funk with

1079
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: a movie that old people are going to, that they

1080
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: want that. You can't be loud, they're going to eat

1081
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: kicked out. I have a good vomit again. A movie

1082
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: theater story but there's aspects of that story that there's

1083
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: still a statute of limitations on, so we'll continue. Um. So, yeah,

1084
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: the the group holds a general meeting to talk things

1085
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: out after you know, killing two dudes, but it turns

1086
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: out they still had a police infill trader in their midst,

1087
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: and the meeting was surrounded by heavily armed Dawn Cossacks

1088
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: and members of the local Acrona, which are like the

1089
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: Czar's secret police. Now the trader in their midst A

1090
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: guy named Lavadne suggested everyone give themselves up, but Nestor

1091
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: in the actual anarchist in the room, decided to have

1092
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: a giant gunfight with the cops. It was dark and

1093
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: they all had pistols, so they ran out shooting, and

1094
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: they actually like surprised the cops surrounding their house enough

1095
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: that they killed the second in command of the local police,

1096
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: several Cossacks, and several detectives. Um One of Makno's friends,

1097
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: a guy named Simon Utah, is wounded in the leg

1098
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: during the escape, and his brother and Alexander tries to

1099
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: carry him, but they quickly realized that he was slowing

1100
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: them down too much, so the wounded guy volunteers to

1101
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: stay behind, shooting until he has one bullet left and

1102
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: using the last on himself in order to buy time

1103
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: for his friends. Again, hardcore book club. What movie did

1104
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: you throw up at? Sorry? What movie was it? Oh? God,

1105
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: it was a mine. It was like a showing of

1106
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I think I think it was a showing of the

1107
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: what is it? What is it? The fucking Jim Hinson

1108
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: movie with the skexus and ship like Labyrinth? No, no, no,

1109
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: not Labyrinth, no other one dark crystal, dark crystal, dark crystal,

1110
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: alcohol or the acid. But I was not going to

1111
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: be able to focus until I had an answer there. Okay, okay,

1112
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. It was a different

1113
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: club is heating up. So the book club is heating up.

1114
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: Like nine people have died, so this is good. It's

1115
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: an intense book club. Not a lot of people save

1116
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: the last bullet for themselves in a book club, that's true. So,

1117
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: of course, so this guy who dies buying time for

1118
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: the other members of the book club, his brother has

1119
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: to avenge his death, and Magna wasn't about to let

1120
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: his friend to vench his brother's death alone. So after

1121
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: they escaped, they figured that since they just killed a

1122
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: bunch of cops. They might as well assassinate the governor.

1123
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: When you're on a hot streak like that, you know,

1124
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: not get it now. And again, everyone involved in this

1125
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: as a teenager, so we are not talking about the

1126
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: best decisions being made at the time. But they're committed,

1127
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: so they're able to channel their horny rage into some

1128
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: productive yeah, some productive anarchy. And for again, several of

1129
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: the people they kill in the shootout are members of

1130
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: the Okrana. And for a little bit of knowledge about

1131
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: the Czar's secret police, the protocols of the Elders of Zion,

1132
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: like the infamous anti Semitic propaganda piece was created by

1133
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: the Acrona. So like, shitty dudes. So like, it's not

1134
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: like they uh, sort of have a book club massacre coming.

1135
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: They absolutely deserve a book club massacre. You can tie

1136
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: millions of deaths to that document. Like Okay, yeah, anyone

1137
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: who's in the Okrana, you know, I got no sympathy.

1138
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: So um, they decided to assassinate the governor. Um. And

1139
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: but the scheme runs into a hitch, which is that

1140
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: because of all of these anarchist teams running around, it

1141
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: had been made illegal for young people to be near

1142
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: the governor. Um So it's like Eric Carsetti. So no,

1143
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: no no, Mackno and his friends keep trying to find

1144
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: out ways to get close to the governor. And while

1145
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: they're scouting out, they get caught by another patrol of

1146
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: cossacks and again mak No being mack No. When they

1147
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: realize they've been surrounded by cossacks, they have another gunfight

1148
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: and they managed to shoot their way out of a

1149
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: line of cops. Yet again, they escape, but not for long.

1150
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Nestor and his friend are arrested at home soon later.

1151
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: This wound up actually being good for him, because if

1152
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: he'd stayed free, he would have absolutely kept trying to

1153
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: kill the governor and he probably would have gotten got

1154
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: to death doing so. Instead, he just winds up in

1155
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: jail for a while. Um Now, this sparks another crackdown

1156
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: on Gulya Poli anarchists, and the only two who escape

1157
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: or Antony, Makno's mentor, and Alexander, the brother of the

1158
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: guy who who died buying time for them. The police

1159
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: considered Makno to be the most dangerous of the young

1160
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: men that they'd actually caught, and they charged him with

1161
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: a funckload of crimes, some of which he definitely committed. Now,

1162
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: all of the incarcerated anarchists were taken to prison again

1163
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: while the state prepared the case against them, and this

1164
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: took over a year. And like during this period of time,

1165
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: like Makno spends a bunch of time in solitary confinement

1166
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: and like a cell called the whole um, Like it's

1167
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: a terrible place to be. He's not, it's not a

1168
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: nice prison. Yeah. In the meantime, Alexander sneaks back into Ukraine.

1169
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: He like flees to Belgium, but he immediately comes back

1170
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: and he sends a letter to the head detective before

1171
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: he leaves Belgium being like, you're never gonna catch me.

1172
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm like to the show that comes, You're never gonna

1173
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: catch me. I'm in Belgium now, motherfucker's And then he

1174
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: immediately sneaks back into Ukraine with two loaded revolvers and

1175
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: he sort of starts stalking the head of the head

1176
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: detective and waits until he goes into a theater and

1177
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: he walks into the theater where the detective is with

1178
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: two loaded revolvers in his pocket. Now he doesn't shoot

1179
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: him during the play because he doesn't want to hit

1180
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: the innocent people. But as the detectives leaving the play,

1181
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: he shoots him three times and kills him, and then

1182
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: gets killed in a shoot at himself. That's the end

1183
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: of the Sherlock Holmes guy, Hi, sure why? I mean?

1184
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: You know it was he was a supernova. I lived briefly, burned, brightly, burned,

1185
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: brightly king. Um. So yeah, Now, Alexander was never able

1186
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: to He was trying. He was planning to spring his

1187
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: friends from prison after killing this detective. But obviously he

1188
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: doesn't get a chance to do that. But his sacrifice

1189
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: and his dedication to the cause inspired Nestor for the

1190
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: rest of his life. Mak knows day in court eventually came,

1191
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: and he refused to beg for mercy, telling his defense lawyer,

1192
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,479
Speaker 1: we have no intention of asking anything for this good

1193
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: for nothing czar. These ascals have sentenced to us to death,

1194
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: so let them hang us. And of course he was

1195
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: sentenced initially to death. Macno and his comrades spent months

1196
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: on death row. Nestor wrote at the time, once inside

1197
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: these cells, one half feels that one has climbed down

1198
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: into the grave. One is the feeling that only one

1199
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: straining fingertips are clinging to the surface. And then one

1200
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: thinks of all who being yet at large, cling to

1201
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: their belief and their hopes, intent upon doing something good

1202
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: and useful in the struggle for a better life. Having

1203
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: sacrificed oneself for this future, one feels flooded by a

1204
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: quite profound and very heartfelt love for one's comrades in

1205
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the struggle. They seem so near, so dear. One wholeheartedly

1206
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: hopes that they may hold on to their faith and

1207
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: their hopes to the very end, and take their love

1208
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: of the oppressed and their hatred of the oppressors further. Wow.

1209
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: He's a good fucking right. Yeah, he's a great writer.

1210
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: He can make stuff that's very depressing, very motivating. He's

1211
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: a guy. He's a great for a guy who never

1212
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: fully learns to read or write. Yeah, like he's I

1213
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: like this guy. He's a likable dude. So Nestor's best

1214
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: friend and comrade on death row was a guy named

1215
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: Igor Bondarenko, which is another fucking incredible Ukrainian name. Now,

1216
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: for some reason, Igor suspected Nestor's sentence might get commuted.

1217
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: He claimed he had a premonition, and he basically is like,

1218
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: I've had this premonition that you're we're all going to

1219
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: get executed. You're not going to get executed. You're going

1220
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: to get out, and you're going to lift the black,

1221
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: black flag of anarchy all over this land. Uh, you,

1222
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,919
Speaker 1: my brother, Nestor, you are to live. I shall surely die.

1223
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: I know that you will regain your freedom. And like

1224
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Nestor's other friends and jail are like, that's never got

1225
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: Nesters too dumb, Like he's not smart enough to like

1226
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: when like, you're a great guy, Nester, you're really good

1227
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: at shooting at the cops, but you're not smart enough

1228
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: to like lead a revolution. Like it couldn't be him.

1229
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a that's a great way

1230
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: to motivate someone to just do that. Yeah, Okay, they're

1231
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: negging him a little bit. Now. This may or may

1232
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: not be may not be true. We're reliant on Nestor's

1233
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: account that all this happened because all of his other

1234
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: friends get executed, So he might have made this up.

1235
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. In any case, after fifty two days

1236
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: on death row, Makno was informed that at the pleading

1237
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: of his mother. His sentence had been commuted to hard

1238
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: labor for life. He was dragged off to prison, where

1239
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: he would spend nine years, and this actually wound up

1240
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: being a good thing. See, prisons and Czarist Russia were

1241
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: basically the equivalent of a graduate degree for revolutionaries because

1242
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: all of the people who got they there were prisons

1243
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: just for revolutionaries. Stalin spent a bunch of time in

1244
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: one of these, an hour ten minutes first all in yep, yep. Okay,

1245
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: that's actually pretty far, yeah, pretty far, okay, pretty far

1246
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: for talking about, you know, Ukraine. So at the same

1247
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: time is in a prison for a bunch of bank robberies. Um,

1248
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: And all of these prisons are the same. They're filled

1249
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: with like prisoners who are all revolutionaries, and these massive

1250
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: libraries of revolutionary literature that people build up over the years,

1251
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: that inmates build up, And so Makno gets to read

1252
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: a bunch like he spends he's also gets hard doubly ill,

1253
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: gets pneumonia, and ship like gets permanent lung damage. So

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: he's in the infirmary a lot, and he just spends

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: all of his time reading books about like anarchist political theory. Uh.

1256
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: The number one book that he encounters during this time

1257
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: is by a guy named Kropotkin. It's a book called

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: mutual Aid, which is a book about mutual aid, and

1259
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: he falls in love with the concept and the book

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: mutual Aid never left makno side for the rest of

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: his life. He went in and out of the prison infirmary.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, he was very sick all of the time,

1263
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: and he he gets very frustrated at the inner prison

1264
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: hierarchy because there were two kinds of political prisoners in Russia.

1265
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: There were intellectual prisoners who are like students and sons

1266
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: of noblemen and stuff, who got like who found themselves

1267
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: drawn to left wing politics. But we're also rich kids,

1268
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: and the guards treated them very well because class was

1269
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: really baked into everything in Russian. Like, these guys were prisoners,

1270
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: but they were still rich, so like you shake their

1271
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: hands and you show them respect. And then there were

1272
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: the poor revolutionaries like mak Noo, who get the ship

1273
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: kicked out of them, right, And Makno noticed that these

1274
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: like rich intellectual revolutionaries would like shake hands with the

1275
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: guards and be friendly to like the same people who

1276
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: were beating up Macna and his friends. And he was like, well,

1277
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: fuck these guys, like I don't care if they're saying

1278
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: the right ship, like yeah, yeah, that's okay, Okay, So

1279
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't like he doesn't like performative politics, like performative politics.

1280
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: I he would be he would be really intense online. Sorry,

1281
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about he would be in prison. He

1282
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: would not be. He would have in prison already. I

1283
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: was just cooking on us, Like what would nest ers

1284
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: online presence be, Like, it would be pretty aggressive. He

1285
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 1: would have been in prison for things he did this summer,

1286
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: like yes, yeah, yeah. So nineteen fourteen came and the

1287
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 1: prisoners were split again by those who still supported Russia

1288
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: in her war with Germany and the internationalists who thought

1289
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: that the war World War one was just a bunch

1290
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: of rich assholes making poor kids die for politics, and

1291
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: neither Russia or Germany were in the right, like it

1292
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: was just a dumb war and it should be fought period.

1293
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: And Magno was an internationalist. He thought it was stupid

1294
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: for Ukrainian peasants to die fighting German peasants on behalf

1295
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: of kings. It was like why would we do that?

1296
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Okay yeah um, And then in nineteen seventeen, while Makna

1297
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: was still behind bars. The revolution happened. Bazaars overthrown, A

1298
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: vaguely kind of vaguely socialist social democratic interim government underguy

1299
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: named Krinsky is formed, and all the political prisoners are freed.

1300
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: Because there's this period before like the Bolsheviks takeover where

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01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: there's like a social democratic kind of like a socialist

1302
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: quasi thing in charge and their Social Democrats and there's

1303
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: Bolsheviks and there's anarchists and they're all arguing about Russia's

1304
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: going to be. But during this period, Bazaar's overthrown and

1305
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: all political prisoners are freed, or at least a bunch

1306
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: of them are, and mak Noo gets out of jail.

1307
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: Um Now, on release, he sees a doctor because he's

1308
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: sick as hell, and the doctors like, you should have

1309
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: head to the crimea have your lungs treated like you're

1310
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: very ill, and Makno's like, the only thing that's going

1311
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: to like cure my lungs is to take part in

1312
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: the revolution. You know, his exact his exact statement is

1313
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: to appreciate the spirit behind that. But but I don't

1314
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: I see him hitting a wall. Yeah, I mean, the

1315
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: revolution was not good for my lungs. But there was

1316
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: less tear gas in those days. That's true, that's true,

1317
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: counting their fucking blessing. Yeah, oh you had to deal

1318
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: with with machine guns. I mean, this is this, this

1319
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: period is taking place, you know, during the anime movie Anastasia,

1320
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: And so while this is all going on, it's I

1321
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: think important, historically important to consider that the big fat

1322
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: Kelsey Grammar cartoon is switching out Meg Ryan Anastasia, and meanwhile,

1323
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: Resputen lives in Hell with his bat. It's just important Rescutent,

1324
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: Resputent is living in Hell with a band at this point. Yeah.

1325
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, So he mock kind of considered throwing

1326
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: himself into the revolution, you know, or throwing himself into

1327
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: the Moscow part of the revolution, and he spends a

1328
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: little bit of time like with Moscow based anarchists, but

1329
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: he keeps getting these letters from his mom who's like,

1330
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, you're out of prison, you should come see

1331
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: your family, And he eventually decides, all right, I'll go

1332
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: home and I'll do a revolution there. So he's twenty

1333
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: seven years old when he finally sets foot in his

1334
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: hometown again for the first time in a decade or

1335
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: nearly a decade, his neighbors showed up and Moss to

1336
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: greet him, calling him a man back from the dead. Somehow,

1337
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: mak no sense that this was a moment he could use,

1338
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: and he started questioning his fellow villagers about their receptive

1339
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: nous to libertarian ideas. Now, in modern terms, that sounds

1340
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: like he's trying to talk to them about how age

1341
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: of consent law should be lowered. But libertarian meant a

1342
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: different thing back then, So okay, yeah, unpacked that for me. Yeah.

1343
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: The word libertarian started out as an anarchist term, a

1344
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: left leaning term, like if you were a libertarian in

1345
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen, you were a leftist. If you weren't an anarchist,

1346
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: you were like very close to one. Um that stopped

1347
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: thanks to a guy like that stop thanks to a dude,

1348
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,879
Speaker 1: nam Murray Rothbard, who brought the term libertarian into American

1349
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: politics in order to make it a right wing term.

1350
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: Um and Murray Rothbart is why the word libertarian now

1351
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: means a guy with a collection of Fedoras and another

1352
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: collection of gas station katanas. It was like, what how

1353
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: did this How did this thing I agree with become

1354
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: my uncle preaching the gospel of Gary Johnson at every

1355
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: available that's tunity. That's Murray Rothbart. He's what turns. He's

1356
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: what turns libertarian from shooting it out with the Czar's

1357
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: secret police to gas station Katana collection. Um so. Rothbart

1358
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: is basically a corporate fascist. He believed the state should

1359
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: be dissolved in all of its services, should be provided

1360
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: for profit by corporation. Seems trash. And he carried out

1361
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: a very successful campaign to convince dudes who liked guns

1362
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: and not being told what to do that licking the

1363
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: boots of billionaires was true freedom in his book The

1364
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: Portrayal of the American Right. Yeah, it really does. In

1365
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: his In his book The Betrayal of the American Right,

1366
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: Murray Rothbart work wrote, one gratifying aspect of our rise

1367
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: to some prominence is that, for the first time in

1368
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: my memory, we our side has captured a crucial word

1369
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 1: from the enemy. Libertarians had long been simply a polite

1370
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: word for left wing anarchists, that is, for anti private

1371
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But

1372
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: now we had taken it over. He's very conscious about

1373
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: what he's done, and that's why Like, like mak No

1374
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: considers himself a libertarian, But mak No is not what

1375
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: we would consider a libertarian to day, right, He's what

1376
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: some folks in Northeast Syria might consider a libertarian. But

1377
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: I honestly, I still to this day have such a

1378
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: struggle understanding what libertarianism means, depending on who's talking to

1379
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: me about it. But I grew up being told them

1380
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: like libertarians, they're just fucking weirdos that think everyone should

1381
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: have a plow. That's how I that's what I learned libertarian.

1382
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: That is the kind of libertarian Makno is is like

1383
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: everyone should work for themselves and for their community, and

1384
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: no one should have that. But but but then, yeah, okay, okay,

1385
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: I've got I've got. I guess I have to learn

1386
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: more about libertarians. That doesn't sound good to say out loud. Yeah,

1387
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's good that these libertarians are good to

1388
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: learn about because these so modern libertarians are like these

1389
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: libertarian states bad. We shouldn't have the state telling us things.

1390
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 1: Rich people should tell us what to do. And Marco's

1391
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: Club libertarians are no one. Yeah, the book Club libertarians

1392
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: are no one should tell you what to do, and

1393
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: if they tell you what to do, you should shoot

1394
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: them in the face, like sick. Yeah, let's do it.

1395
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so uh yeah. Makno meets all of his

1396
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: old friends and neighbors and he's like, have you guys

1397
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: heard about libertarianism? And instead of following up by again

1398
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: ranting about age of consent laws like Murray Rothbard would

1399
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: have done, Makno starts explaining his newly educated analysis of

1400
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: their situation. As he told his fellow peasants, the libertarian

1401
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: movement nationwide was weak and not cohesive. The social Democrats

1402
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: and the Bolsheviks were by far the most organized, and

1403
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: that was not good because they were just going to

1404
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: recreate some form of oppressive hierarchy that Ukrainians would have

1405
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: to live under. Anarchists needed to be the vanguard of

1406
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: mass revolutionary action, and Nestor figured, why not start that

1407
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: in Ghoula Polly. Now it's a mark of how charismatic

1408
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: he was that basically everyone in his like hometown who

1409
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: turns out to see him as like, yeah, I guess

1410
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like we just got rid of the czar,

1411
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: why not make sure nobody else tells us what to do? Now?

1412
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: Makno has no army at this point, and his old

1413
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: comrades are all dead. By pure force of personality, he

1414
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: convinces his neighbors to establish a local peasants union with

1415
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: delegates to represent them. This inspired different groups within the

1416
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: village to organize, and soon the metal workers and the

1417
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: woodworkers had unions of their own. Someone suggested the peasants

1418
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: should pool their money to set up a contingency fund

1419
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: to help members of the community who had accidents or

1420
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: fell into misfortune. Yeah, it's yeah, it's very quickly too.

1421
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: This is great. Yeah. And before long the village decides

1422
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: to elect a chairman and Macno tells them this is

1423
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: a bad idea and he doesn't want the job, but

1424
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: they elect him anyway. Um. And basically he accepts the

1425
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: position because he's like, if I, if someone else gets this,

1426
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: we'll start having political parties form and then everything's going

1427
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: to go to ship. So I'll just take the job

1428
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: and not do it. Um. And that that's that's his

1429
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: reasoning at least. So within a few weeks he pushes

1430
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: through a vote to have the estates of all the

1431
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: large local landowners handed back to the peasants with no

1432
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: payment or compensation to the rich people. Now this pisses

1433
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: off the social Democrats. In the big city near gulia Poli,

1434
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: a place called Alexandrovsk, they supported a buy back policy

1435
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: not wildly different from the one the surfs had been granted.

1436
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: The peasants, though love Nestor, Macknell and many of them

1437
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: decided that if anarchism meant they got to run their

1438
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: own lives and not have landlords, well fuck, maybe they

1439
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: were anarchists. Now. It's worth noting how different Nestor's tactics

1440
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 1: were from most of the other anarchist organizers in Russia

1441
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: at the time. They tended to devote their efforts to

1442
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: creating committees and clubs and debating with one another, rather

1443
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: than traveling out to the peasant masses and converting them

1444
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: by doing. Nestor couldn't stand intellectuals. He preferred to get

1445
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: his hands dirty and actually change things. When he was young,

1446
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: that change had come from, you know, shooting out with

1447
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: the police. Now that he was nearing thirty, he was

1448
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: working alongside his neighbors to transform their home into something better.

1449
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: Mak No and his comrades, who now made up most

1450
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: of the town, disarmed the local militia and d deputized

1451
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: the police force. They're just like, go up to the cops.

1452
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: You're not the police anymore, give us your guns. And

1453
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: the police go, oh no, his beard is so big,

1454
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: we better listen to what he says. Well, basically, so

1455
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the cops that he the cops that people don't have

1456
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: a problem with, get to stay on as unarmed town

1457
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: criers because they're like, hey, you guys who weren't shitty,

1458
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: were you don't get guns anymore, but like you can

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Speaker 1: be town criers, Like we've got some use for you.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to just murder everybody that we used

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Speaker 1: to have an issue with, because that doesn't seem like

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: a good a good thing to start doing. Uh. And

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: the arms of the police and the militia that are

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: confiscated get handed to citizens who started to form become

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01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: a democratic militia geared towards self defense rather than you know,

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: beating people for reading the wrong books. Right now, well,

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01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: all this is happening, Russia is still in a very

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: bad position because this is that awkward period where they've

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: had their they've overthrown the czar and they're kind of

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: in the start of a civil war, but they're also

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: still in World War One fighting the Germans, even though

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: nobody who overthrew the czar still wanted to really be

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Speaker 1: fighting the Germans. Um and in August of nineteen seventeen,

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Speaker 1: a guy named General Kornilov who's an anti Bolshevik general

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: intent on and throwing overthrowing the socialist regime that had

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Speaker 1: taken over from the Czar and replacing it with probably

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: the monarchy or something again. Uh. He starts like advancing

1478
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: on Alexandrov's the big the capital city near Gulaipoli, and

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01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: committees for self defense start being created all over Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine, and of course mak No became chairman of

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01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: the Committee of for Self Defense of Gulapolyi. Now, his

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01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: solution to stopping the counter revolution was quote disarming the

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01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: entire local bourgeoisie and abolishing its rights over the people's

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01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: assets estates, factories, workshops, printing works, theaters, cinemas and other

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01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: public enterprises, which would henceforth be placed under collective control

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: of the workers. His defense committee is like, yeah, we'll

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: do this, so they all vote to do this. But

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: then General Kornilov gets defeated and the moderate regime that

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: was in charge of Russia and Ukraine at the time,

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01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: was like, hey, guys, that's too dical. You can't take

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: all of the rich people's stuff. Like we're democrats, were

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: we don't want the czar, but we're not going to

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01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: let you take all the rich people's stuff. So what

1494
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: year are we in at this? This is seen okay,

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: okay is happening. This is starting to like overlap with

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01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: some of the Nabokov history that I cover. Okay, cool, Interesting,

1497
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: Nabokov isn't in all this ship Like he's alive for

1498
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: a lot of this, right, He's around, Yeah, he's around

1499
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: until he he ends up going to Germany. Uh in

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01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: I think eighteen, but he's in this story. A bunch

1501
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: of Germans come here and then Nestor has to shoot them. Yeah, synergy, synergy.

1502
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: So uh Like Makno gets told by the government after

1503
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: this general gets defeated, like hey, your plan to take

1504
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: all of the weapons and property from the rich people

1505
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: is too radical, and Makno is like, well fuck you.

1506
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: So he and all he organizes his fellow peasants to

1507
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: have a rent strike um and so they just stopped paying, right,

1508
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is our land now, and we're

1509
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: going to take all of your livestock and equipment from

1510
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: the landlords, acting on their own. A crush on, he's

1511
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: fucking he's fucking cool, acting on their own. The peasants

1512
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: of Gulya poly collectivized the enormous estates of the wealthy

1513
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: and started forming farming communes, each of around two hundred people.

1514
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: Communal life was seen by Makno as the highest form

1515
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: of social justice, and some landowners even came around to

1516
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: the idea and joined communes. Others were less than pleased

1517
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: with the changes, and we'll talk about them later. Probably

1518
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: most of them were less than please. But there were

1519
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: some people who were like, Okay, you're taking my land

1520
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: and giving it to everyone else. But like, yeah, this

1521
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,480
Speaker 1: actually is fine. Again a minority, but it does happen, um,

1522
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's important to note that he is not

1523
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: like we're going to murder the landlords. He's like, we

1524
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: don't need to kill them. We're just taking everything from

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01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: them and they can be part of society or not

1526
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: if they want to. Okay, this is yeah, it's like that.

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01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: There's there's less lenient policies than that, so yep, yep,

1528
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: especially in Russia in this periods. What you say, I'm like, well,

1529
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that's that's a pretty chill approach. Yeah.

1530
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: So his nineteen eighteen rolls around life and Goulaipol has

1531
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: changed massively, as this right up from an article in

1532
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: lipcom dot org describes. In addition to his political work,

1533
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: he was based on a collective farm, working a type

1534
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: of plow called a booker. His co workers at the time,

1535
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: he states, included German colonists and former landowners who had

1536
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: accepted the redistribution of land. Mackno's memoire describes the administrative

1537
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: and political machinations of the Ukrainian Revolution with a detail

1538
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: that suggests veracity. Under the direction of the RevCom, the

1539
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: Revolutionary like Committee, he explains, ex soldiers from the front

1540
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: began moving all the implements in livestock from the estates

1541
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: of the rich and large farms to a central holding area.

1542
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,839
Speaker 1: The idea was not too exact revenge upon the wealthy,

1543
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: but to equitably distribute wealth. Landlords and wealthier farmers were

1544
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: quote left with two pairs of horses, one or two cows,

1545
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: depending on the size of the family, one plow, one

1546
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: seating machine, one mower, one winnowing machine, etcetera. Needless to say,

1547
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: this equitable redistribution was not voluntary. So again you don't

1548
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: have a choice. We're taking your stuff, but we're not

1549
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: trying to starve your family like you get as what

1550
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: everyone else has. Yeah, it's as how theory distribution Okay, Now,

1551
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: again was not voluntary, but was not bloody either. While

1552
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: there were mass killings in parts of Russia during this

1553
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: period of landowners, google Hpole was so far quite peaceable,

1554
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 1: as were most of the surrounding areas. One contemporary newspaper

1555
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: article describes how the village looked during this first flowering

1556
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: of anarchy. It was quote like a painting by Rippin, exotic, gouty, unusual.

1557
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: The magnivists wore colorful shirts, wide pants, and wide red

1558
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: belts which reached down to the ground. All of them

1559
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: were armed to the teeth. The property brothers could never okay.

1560
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Another writer who hated Makno and what he turned Googliapole into,

1561
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: adds that quote all night there was music and dancing

1562
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: mixed with the shrieks of gay women. Um okay, no

1563
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: matter which way he's been at that sounds like a

1564
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: black sounds like everybody's fucking strapped in dancing. Pretty cool. Yeah,

1565
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: it sounds like these writers are absolute haters who know

1566
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: how to have fun. Yeah, a lot of haters in

1567
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: the mock No story. And that is part one. Part

1568
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: two is going to be a lot more violent. But yeah,

1569
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad. Yeah, blast and part one. Yeah, part one.

1570
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Hard not to be on mock No side at this,

1571
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, really most stages of this. Um vibes are good.

1572
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: Vibes are good. So Jamie, you got any things to

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: plug before we take a quick break? And then part two? Yeah,

1574
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: I guess some. I guess some holiday plugs you can

1575
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: if you if you want a happy option, you can

1576
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: listen to standa University comes out on Christmas even I

1577
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: think it's the Daily Sad Guys Feed. If you want

1578
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: to have a terrible Christmas and cry, Cry, Cry, you

1579
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: can listen to Lolita podcast, which uh covers a different

1580
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: area of the same portion of history. This Christmas, celebrate

1581
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: being separated from your family by listening to a story

1582
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: about a book about child molestation. Isn't that? I mean

1583
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: it's a great I am caught up currently and very

1584
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: angry that you don't have another episode for me today there,

1585
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: Well you're I mean, you're performing the hell out of Naboko,

1586
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, except right mispronounced that that it

1587
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: is spelled l y o n like fucking hell it is,

1588
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: but you combined it to sound like it was like

1589
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: you were saying Beyonce, like like the city and oh, okay,

1590
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: see that's that's fancier in the same way. Okay I

1591
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: I maintained she pronounced her own name wrong. Well, it's

1592
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: episode three. Robert absolutely demolished this poor dead woman's name.

1593
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: There's a place for you to go if you want

1594
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 1: to demolish a poor dead woman's name. Follow us on Twitter.

1595
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Speaker 1: Have a good Christmas. The episodes Sucking Over. Can you