1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein purp. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell says, I period am period, not period suicidal? 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: Will she live to testify? I'm Nancy Grece, this is 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Release the files. 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: Teens of thousands of documents related to Epstein are refusing. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: To release thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of files. 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 4: They couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 4: much like a homicide. 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Was it suicide or was it murder? You promised? Now deliver? 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: As Julaine Maxwell meets with federal agents, is she one 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: step closer to testifying? Testifying to what is in the 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: so called Epstein files? For over a year we were 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: told that those files would be released everything in them. 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: But now Stone Walling, Now, what message does that send 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: to sex attack victims? What message does that send about 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: our justice system? Well, this is what Pam Bondi, the 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: US Attorney General, had to say. 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 5: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot 20 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 5: of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information, 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 5: but pretty sick what that man did. 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: A source had told me where. 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 5: The documents were being kept, Southern District of New York. 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Shock. So we got. 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 5: Them all by, hopefully all of them Friday at eight am, 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 5: thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI going 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: through them. Director Patel is going to get us a 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 5: detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 5: those documents. 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox News and now government 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: officials walking out, walking out, making statements like they've never 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: seen anything as disgusting as what is in the files 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: and are sick of the stone walling. 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: And Bondie goes on to say. 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 6: This, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 6: Epstein's clients. 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: Well, that really happen. 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 5: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 5: been a directive by President Trump. Really is it still 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 5: sitting on your desk? 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Just in the past days, Bondi dumps out of a 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: public appearance claiming some type of an ocular tear on 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: her eye. 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Wow, what a co inky dink. 45 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: That also from our friends at Fox and there's more. 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: In a statement informing the public there will be no 47 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 4: further releases associated with the Epstein case, FBI comments that 48 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: very little of the documents would have been made public 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: had Epstein gone to trial. The FBI for the claims, 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: their review of all documents determined there was no evidence 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: warranting investigation or proscution of any third parties mentioned in 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: the documents, and they doubled down that a rumored client 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: list never existed. The bureau also claims they found no 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed any prominent individuals. 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: The FBI Deputy Director Bongino vows to reveal the truth 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: in a cryptic social media post, this as he storms 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: out of the over the mishandling of the Epstein files. 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: Finally coming back. Apparently there's war over the. 59 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: Epstein files, and if there's nothing in them, why not 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: release them after we've been told over and over and 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: over that what's in those files is shocking. Now an 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: abrupt about face joining me in All Star panel to 63 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: makes sense of what we know right now, But straight 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: out to Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV, Lauren, 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: What's the latest. I'm going to get to Julane. 67 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: Maxwell in just a moment, But it's all about the files. 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: The whole reason I'm even saying her name because she 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: is a child molester. The whole reason I'm even saying 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: her name is because she might help in some way 71 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: get these files released. Why did FBI Deputy Director Bongino 72 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: storm out of his office? 73 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 7: Well, Mancy, I think what's going on here is that 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 7: they are being so secretive about this that we don't 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 7: actually know the truth of what. 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 8: Is going on internally. 77 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 7: What we know is that the DOJ and the FBI 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 7: they seem to be arguing internally and kicking the can 79 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 7: down the road. And I think at this point the 80 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 7: American people have so much distrust towards this administration because 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 7: a lot of their campaign hinged on this, Oh, we're 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 7: going to get rid of the deep state. We're going 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 7: to show you all of the files. We're going to 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 7: be so transparent. You know, we as the American people, 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 7: we didn't necessarily ask for these files as we're. 86 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 8: Doing right now the Trump administration. 87 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: We're going back up, back it up. That's not entirely true. 88 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: From the very beginning, I've been screaming from the rooftops 89 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: to release the files. And that question I asked you 90 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: about the FBI Deputy Directo Dan Bongino declared in the 91 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: last seventy two hours that he had made quote recent 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: discoveries about government corruption and weaponization that shocked him. 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: His words, not mine to the core. 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: Now we've been talking about the Epstein files for a 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: really long time. As a matter of fact, Sidney Stary 96 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: joining me, investigative reporter with crime stories. Sidney, this goes 97 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: all the way back to Epstein's sweetheart deal that he 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: got in Palm Beach. Remember that, Remember that Jelaane Maxwell 99 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: reeling in little girls like a fly fish Truman, and 100 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: they come to his place there she is come to 101 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: his place to get molested, right, and he gets essentially 102 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: house arrest. He has a limo pick him up every 103 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: day at the jail to drive him to his place 104 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: or wherever he wants to go. 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: That was his punishment. 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: It all started then, screams about corruption, sweetheart deals, secrecy 107 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: goes all the way back to that Sydney summer and 108 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: then Epstein dies behind bars. And I Furior was intense 109 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: at that time to release the files. 110 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: So called client list. 111 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that there is a quote client list, 112 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: Like you know, somebody has an address book, like you 113 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: think Epstein had a little red leather address book. With 114 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: everybody's names in it. No, it's not like that you 115 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: have to pour through all the documents. Who came to 116 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: his place, who flew on his plane, who went on 117 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: the Lolita Express, who went to his private island where 118 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: girls who are molested. That's what I made by a 119 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: client list. This goes way back Sydney summer, well the 120 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: way to two. 121 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 9: Thousand and five. That's the first time anyone started investigating 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 9: Jeffrey Epstein, and he made that sweetheart deal that was 123 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 9: a slap on the risk at best, all the way 124 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 9: in two thousand and seven. And that's still relevant today 125 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 9: because Gayne Maxwell is appealing her conviction, planning that a 126 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 9: part of that two thousand and seven deal, Epstein secured 127 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 9: a non prosecution agreement for himself and all of his 128 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 9: future found co conspirators. So she believes that that deal 129 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 9: applied not only to Epstein in twenty nineteen, but to 130 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 9: her as well. And they're arguing that no one even 131 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 9: looked at Maxwell until Epstein was dead. So this is 132 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 9: still very very relevant today, and Epstein's victims never saw 133 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 9: him receive any kind of actual punishment for his behavior. 134 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Her name has been bandied about from the very beginning. 135 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: She was prosecuted and convicted and is behind bars. She 136 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: has never revealed what she knows is now the time 137 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: that's going to occur. And the only reason we're even 138 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: bringing her up Eric Fattus, because her name is like 139 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: dirt in my mouth. Eric Fattas that are on trial, lawyer, 140 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattest, Elite Legal Fattus. I'm 141 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: not taking sides here. Nobody's on trial yet. What I'm 142 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: saying is we were promised the release of these files. 143 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: When Epstein died, be it homicide or suicide, the case 144 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: was effectively over and those files should have been released 145 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: then because there was no longer an ongoing prosecution. Julane 146 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: Maxwell is behind bars, her appeal has been turned down. 147 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: Long story short, it's over. There's no reason to keep 148 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: the secret. And when you have the Deputy director of 149 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: the FBI stop out of his office over the release 150 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: of these. 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Files, something is very wrong. Fattest, very wrong. 152 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 10: Clearly, there is some internal quarreling going on among the administration, 153 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 10: among cabinet officials, even regarding the release of these files. 154 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 10: You know, look, they talked to Big Game, they garnered 155 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 10: political support on the promise of transparency, and lo and behold. 156 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 10: You know they've admitted there's thousands and thousands of pages, 157 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 10: and really there's no legal impediment that I'm aware of 158 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 10: that is preventing the disclosure of these things. They can 159 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 10: be appropriately redacted to protect victim privacy and that kind 160 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 10: of thing. But the public wants to see this, and 161 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 10: they've been promised that, why don't we have them? That 162 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 10: question doesn't have an answer right now. 163 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of the president, listen to this. 164 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 11: You ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? Have 165 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 11: you socialized with him? 166 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 167 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, sir? 168 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 11: Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump? In the presence 169 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 11: of females under the age of eighteen? 170 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 12: Though I'd like to answer that question at least today, 171 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 12: I'm going to have to assert by. 172 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: Fifth asker my friends ED Media's touch network. Now there 173 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: you hear Epstein answering a question, have you ever had 174 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: a personal relationship with Donald Trump? 175 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever socialized with him? Yes? Yes, sir? Okay, 176 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: that means nothing to me. 177 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: Everybody with a lot of money or political clout seemingly 178 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: socialized with Epstein. Bill Gates met with him about funding 179 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: some charity. I don't know how many times Prince Andrew Weirdo, 180 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: he was friends with him, and they've beenhotographed together, Clinton, Obama, 181 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: it goes on and on. So Trump's right in there. 182 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: That means nothing about Trump yet. Now the second question, 183 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: have you ever socialized with Trump in the presence of 184 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: females under the age of eighteen? He asserts his fifth 185 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: six fourteenth Amendment rights to remain silent. Now does that 186 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: mean Trump did anything wrong? No, he is as starting 187 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: his fifth Amendment right to remain silent, indicating that he 188 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: socialized with underage girls. So I'm still not getting Trump wrongdoing, 189 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: not seeing it. And look, I'm not a Republican, I'm 190 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: not a Democrat. Don't care, but I don't see Trump 191 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: implicated in wrongdoing here. However, the whole aspect of not 192 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: releasing the files, Robert Crispin is joining me now a 193 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: a Now I'm private investigator with Crispin Special Investigation, but 194 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: formerly with the Department of Justice. Okay, something stinks. I 195 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 2: want justice. That is not a cliche. That's real. Now, 196 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: so far, Trump, in my opinion, has not been implicated 197 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: in any wrongdoing. But keeping these files secret, fighting with 198 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: your deputy Director of the FBI over their release. If 199 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: there's nothing in them, why not release them? 200 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 12: Crispin, Well, this is what's really important about the government 201 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 12: meeting with Maxwell talking about the list. I think she's 202 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 12: been in jail long enough, and I think she has 203 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 12: reached out to her lawyers and said, you know what, 204 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 12: I don't like it in here. It's time I want 205 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 12: to talk. And I think they're holding back these lists 206 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 12: until they finished their interview with her so they can start. 207 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: Crispin, are you saying that she has marinated behind bars 208 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: long enough to come to the realization she doesn't want 209 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: to stay there? 210 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 13: Absolutely, Anyone. 211 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 12: Listen, when people get arrested, especially in these types of 212 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 12: magnitude of cases, they don't talk. Nobody talks. But when 213 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 12: you're in jail and you're stripped of your dignity here 214 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 12: after year after year, and you potentially hold your own 215 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 12: ticket to get out, what do you. 216 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: Mean stripped of your dignity? 217 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: She is having yoga classes, she's in a baby max. 218 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: I mean they have yoga classes, they have vegan. 219 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Meals, She goes for long walks. You can see her 220 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: walking the grounds. Nobody's bothering her. What do you mean 221 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: you're still living under someone else's dignity. 222 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 12: And she still she still wants to get out. She 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 12: knows at this point the only way out is to 224 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 12: start talking to the US government about that entire list. 225 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 12: What really happened. Listen, the government wanted to talk to 226 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 12: her back in the day when everyone got arrested, nobody talked. 227 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 12: She's realizing, this is my only ticket out of here. 228 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 12: And I have a feeling that this is why that 229 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 12: list is not getting released because I think the govern 230 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 12: now I was going to go talk to her, and 231 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 12: I believe that it's her lawyers that came forward and said, listen, 232 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 12: she wants to talk. 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, you heard what Crispin said. I'm going 234 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: to get right back to his point. But Joe Scott, 235 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: I think I've got an idea about why she wants 236 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: to get from behind bars. 237 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: She wants to live joining me. 238 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University, author of 239 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's the star of a 240 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. 241 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you. 242 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: And I both say that you know, if I were 243 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: a better I take Vegas odds Epstein was murdered. Now 244 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: I'm phoning out Vegas odds, but you have reasons to 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: think he's he was murdered. And he's what, Sidney, what 246 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: is he number four or five connected to this case 247 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: that has committed suicide or had an OD Let's see, 248 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: there is Epstein, of course, Virginia Geffrey, who spoke out 249 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: and got a multimillion dollar settlement after being connect with 250 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,479 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell. You got Jean Luke Brunnelle, the French equivalent, 251 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: who supplied girls as young as twelve to Epstein. 252 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Then you have two of them molestation victims. Do I 253 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: have that right? Sidney? Five people dead by suicide already? 254 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: Is it five? 255 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 9: As far as I know? 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 13: Nancy? 257 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's correct. 258 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: You know if there are thousands and thousands of victims 259 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, as the files indicate that there are. 260 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back for decades, and you get 261 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: a new little girl every week. It adds up, right, 262 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: who else may have committed suicide or died that could 263 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: have testified? Yes, she wants out, I guess. So why 264 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: do you think Epstein was murdered? 265 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 9: Well? 266 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 13: Because well, first off, the Emmy in New York made 267 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 13: a critical error of using the term soft hanging, which 268 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 13: means that you kind of slide into a noose where 269 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 13: you're supported. It doesn't have to be a total suspension 270 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 13: hangingdence that doctor Boden in particularly Scott. 271 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: You know how I feel about you, right? I love you, 272 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: I love your wife, I love your son. 273 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Can you please speak English? Okay, we're not all death investigators. 274 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: When you say a soft hanging, are you talking about 275 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: like Robin Williams, where you attach something to the back 276 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: of your bed or your doorknob and you lean forward 277 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: to it as opposed to a violent drop down from 278 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: a rafter and don't break your neck in the hanging. 279 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, it is. 280 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 13: Most people associate hanging with Batman, with old judicial hangings 281 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 13: where there's a lot of violence. That's not what they're saying. However, 282 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 13: the evidence bears that there was something else going on. 283 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 13: He's got two and I say, two thyroid fractures. And 284 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 13: this is a cartilaginous body. It's cartilage like in your 285 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 13: nose right here. So he's got two cartilage fractures right here. 286 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 13: And then if you go up on the left side. 287 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 13: The high ioid is very high in the neck, that's 288 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 13: why it generally is not fractured in a hanging. And 289 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 13: the left greater horn, it's kind of bird shape the 290 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 13: great the left greater horn is snapped off at the tip. 291 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 13: He's also got some other curious insults to his body, 292 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 13: his deltoid or right here where the neck kind of 293 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 13: dumps into the shoulder. He's got a deep tissue bruise 294 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 13: right here, which is not going to be associated with 295 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 13: the hanging. Nancy. He's also got these kind of faint 296 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 13: bruises that they documented on both the wrist and the ankles. 297 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 13: There's a lot of violence that has been associated with 298 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 13: his death, or evidence of it at least some kind 299 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 13: of trauma. 300 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: So I guess Jeline Maxwell does want out from behind 301 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: bars before she ends up committing suicide herself. And it's 302 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: on her mind because she issued a statement that says, 303 00:17:51,720 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: I period am period, not period suicidal period. Now here's 304 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: what go ahead, please, I hear you taking a deep breath. 305 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 13: Go no, I mean I can understand that because there, 306 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 13: you know, let's face it, when you're when you're in 307 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 13: that system, you are a ward of the state. You know, 308 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 13: and she knows in her mind that her counterpart in 309 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 13: all of these horrific crimes is now pushing up daisies. 310 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 13: She doesn't want it, and she's in custodian and she's 311 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 13: in custodial care of the same the same organization. She 312 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 13: doesn't want to wind up the same way, and maybe 313 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 13: that's prompting her. I have no idea, but I do 314 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 13: know this. 315 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: There's the human Epstein file. She knows more than the 316 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: files can tell us. Now, all of this is happening 317 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: on the headline of every. 318 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: Online news site. 319 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: Look at it, The New York Post, the Dailymail, Drudge, 320 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: Wash Poe, you name it, Wall Street Journal, blah blah 321 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: blah blah. It's all about the Epstein files and why 322 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 2: won't Trump allow. 323 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Them to be released? 324 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: Okay, Now, with all of that going down, with the 325 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: place burning down around him. 326 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: Rome is burning. Hello, Nero, listen to this. 327 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: How many hundreds of hours do you think the White 328 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: House and people within the White House, not just Trump 329 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: have been talking about the Epstein files and the possibility 330 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 2: Trump's name is in them. 331 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: Listen you let all they give me? How fight? 332 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: No, No, She's she's given us just a very quick 333 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: briefing and in terms of the credibility of the different 334 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 3: things that they've seen. And I would say that, you know, 335 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: these files were made up by Komi, they were made 336 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: up by Obama. They were made up by dividing it 337 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: for you know, uh we and we went through years 338 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: of that with the Russia Russia Russia hoax, with all 339 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: of the different things that we had to go through. 340 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 3: We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it 341 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: very well and it's going to be up to her. 342 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: Whatever she thinks it's credible. She should release. 343 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: You crime stories with Nancy Graves. 344 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, do I have everything? Bass ackwurs 345 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: because I don't think I do. Lauren Colin joining me, 346 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: Investigative reporter. The Epstein files were made up by Comy 347 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: or wait that says they were made up by. 348 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: Komy and Obama and Biden. 349 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: The Epstein files have existed long before any of. 350 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: Those players came on to the scene. 351 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: They go all the way back to his Palm Beach 352 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 2: child molestation days. 353 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: Nobody made them up. 354 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: And with all of the banners at the top of 355 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: all of the news outlets about the Epstein files, you know, 356 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: Bondie's camped out in the White House in the Oval office. 357 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: But when asked, did Bondie tell you your name appears 358 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 2: in the filing? 359 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: No, Well, even I know his name appears in the filing. 360 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: Explain exactly. 361 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, this is not a great look for Trump. I'm 362 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 7: not really sure why he's trying to gaslight us like this. 363 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 7: But look, just because your name is or is on 364 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 7: the files or on one of the flight logs, that 365 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 7: doesn't mean that you visited the island. I mean multiple 366 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 7: people have come out, like Robert Kennedy Junior. He said, 367 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 7: I've flown on on epste's jet with my wife, my 368 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 7: former wife, with. 369 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: My That's a very good example. 370 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 7: Well listen, okay, fine, let me tell you this. So 371 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 7: let's get a real game. 372 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: Let's go with Gates. Okay, okay, okay, Fie fan, I 373 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: don't see him being part of a cholmless station ring. 374 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 7: I mean, listen, I'm not going to say that about 375 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 7: anybody at this point because we really don't know anything here. 376 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 7: But what I will say is that Trump is trying 377 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 7: too hard. I just interviewed Rudy You, who is a 378 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 7: Trump ally, told me this crazy story about how Trump 379 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 7: actually picked Epstein out of mar A Lago. I think 380 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 7: it was around twenty ten because he actually got complaints 381 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 7: from his messuses that allegedly Jeffrey Epstein was asking them 382 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 7: for sexual favors at the end of his massage, and 383 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 7: Trump said, you know what, I want nothing to do 384 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 7: with this sicko, and he kicked him out. 385 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 8: And I'll also say this, Nancy. 386 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: You know, here's another thing. Here's another saying hold on. 387 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: I want to throw that to doctor Cheryl Eric joining 388 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: us a clinical forensic psychologists specializing in cases just like this, 389 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: doctor Cheryl. Look, from what I've been told, Trump doesn't drink, 390 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: he doesn't smoke, he doesn't do drugs. I find it 391 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: really hard to believe he would take part in child molestation. 392 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: Of course, you know what, we don't know that. But 393 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: the fact that his name was in the files doesn't 394 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: mean he did anything wrong. I mean, think of Bill 395 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: Gas trying to money for a charity with Epstein. That 396 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: doesn't mean he did anything wrong. But the hiding it. 397 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean, remember Watergate. Okay, there was a break in, 398 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: but the cover up overshadowed everything else. And what it 399 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: boils down to, doctor Cheryl is the truth is other defendants, 400 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: other child molesters that need to be prosecuted. That's what 401 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: this is about. It is not about Trump, it is 402 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: not about politics. It's about Lady Justice. 403 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 14: It's about the victims. It's about the victims of trafficking. 404 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 14: As you may know, I serve on a board of 405 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 14: directors of an organization called Mary's Path and it helps 406 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 14: pregnant teens who are victims of trafficking. And I will 407 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 14: tell you that these kids are some of the most traumatized, 408 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 14: most vulnerable crime victims of any crime victims, and they 409 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 14: really really need our protection. And we're trying to find 410 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 14: out what's going on. We're trying to think about them 411 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 14: and protect them. And the concern with Jeline Maxwell, she's 412 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 14: in prison for sex trafficking, for hurting so many of 413 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 14: these young women and building their trust and violating their trust. 414 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 14: She's already been charged with multiple counts of perjury in 415 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 14: the past. And what we know as psychologists is the 416 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 14: best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And I'm 417 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 14: not saying a whole lot of truth telling in her 418 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 14: past behavior. 419 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: The US Attorney General promising out the Yin Yang, promising 420 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: the release of the Epstein files, and now we're being 421 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: told there's nothing in there, so we're not releasing them. 422 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: If there's nothing in there, why not release them? 423 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 13: These is I cover up with epic proportions and a 424 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 13: lot of errors in the Justice Department. 425 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: For the information contiding those files, who jeopardize any potential 426 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: appeal as the East lying Maxwell. 427 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: And now a big stinct in the middle of the case, 428 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: Elaine Maxwell actually meets with the Feds. 429 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 15: Listen as Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche announced as a 430 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 15: meeting with Gilleene Maxwell to gather more information on Jeffrey 431 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 15: Epstein and his alleged clients. The House Oversight Committee also 432 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 15: announces plans to subpoena Maxwell. Representative James Comer, the committee chair, 433 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 15: makes it clear that Maxwell will not be receiving any 434 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 15: kind of pardon or immunity in exchange for her testimony. 435 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 15: The Jailhouse deposition has been tentatively scheduled for August eleventh. 436 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 6: They want to know if Maxwell wants to talk, what 437 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 6: she has to say, So that's why yesterday my committee 438 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 6: moved to make a motion to issue subpoena if she's 439 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 6: wanting a pardon or any type of immunity. That's off 440 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 6: the table. 441 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: From our friends at CNN. Okay, she's talking, She is talking. 442 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: She had a very long meeting and she went back 443 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: into her facility, her cio, with a huge box obviously 444 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: containing documents. Reportedly she had on handcuffs so tight during 445 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: that meeting with the Feds that her wrists were red 446 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: when she came out of the meeting. Lauren Colin joining us, Lauren, 447 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: what do you know? 448 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 8: Delay Maxwell? 449 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 7: On July twenty fourth and July twenty fifth, she met 450 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 7: with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche at her Tallahassee prison 451 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 7: and it lasted for about two days, and she had 452 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 7: a box with her when she went back to prison 453 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 7: that there was photographs taken. 454 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 8: Everybody was wondering what was in this box. 455 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 7: And apparently her handcuffs were on extremely tight Nancy. So 456 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 7: we hopefully will find out what was said during this meeting. 457 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 7: We are not sure yet. 458 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about what doctor Cheryl Eric just said 459 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: to Eric fattis joining us. Feneran trial lawyer, following up 460 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: also on what Lauren Colins said. She'll say anything to 461 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 2: get out, to get out from behind bars. But whatever 462 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: she says will very likely be corroborated. So I'm trying 463 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: to figure out what you think about her talking for 464 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours from behind bars. It's got 465 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: to be about the Epstein files, obviously, but I would 466 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: imagine the first thing she did was try to hammer 467 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: out a deal for herself totally. 468 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 10: I mean, you know, look, we know that she's not 469 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 10: doing this out of the goodness of her heart, right, 470 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 10: she has got an incentive. She's behind bars in a 471 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 10: box for twenty years, and so you know, my question too, 472 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 10: is is how did this conversation go? You know, she's 473 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 10: asked a bunch of leading questions like hey, was this 474 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 10: person involved? She might feel, hey, they want me to 475 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 10: say that, so I'm just going to agree to it. 476 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 10: There are certainly credibility issues, but like you said, it 477 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 10: can be cross checked against documents in other investigations. 478 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: That ability issues, that's a that's putting it mildly, that's 479 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: putting perfume on the pig. 480 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Julayne Maxwell. Credibility issues. 481 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: You know, I want you to hear what the late 482 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: Virginia's you'frey had to say about Julaine Maxwell. 483 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 4: The late Virginia Gufray, a former Epstein sex slave, always 484 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: pointed to Maxwell as the cruler of the couple. Goufrey 485 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 4: called Maxwell vicious, evil and the geppetto to Epstein's Pinocchio. 486 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 4: Maxwell was heavily criticized for playing dumb in a twenty 487 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 4: sixteen deposition asking the deposer to explain a sex toy 488 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: to her. At one point in the interview. Maxwell also 489 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 4: publicly denied that Gufrey ever met Prince Andrew, despite sending 490 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: next to her with the royal and heavily circulated photos. 491 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: You know what, Robert. 492 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: Crispin, a couple of people here on the set actually 493 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: broke a smile when the issue regarding Julainne Maxwell playing 494 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: dumb and not being forthcoming under oath in a depot 495 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: asking the questioner to explain what is a sex toy? Crispin, obviously, 496 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: people that Craig a smile at Juline Maxwell being clever 497 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: and witty have never seen a sex trafficking victim. 498 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 12: I just think that Elaine Maxwell is obviously a piece 499 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 12: of garbage, and when I react to her testimony, I'm 500 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 12: reacting to she's such a liar. I hope these guys 501 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 12: aren't falling for any of this, and this entire meeting 502 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 12: that's going on with the US Attorney's Office last week. 503 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 12: Trust me, when they talked to her, they said, we 504 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 12: will walk out in the first lie or deception that 505 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 12: we feel. So moving forward, every single question we ask 506 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 12: you must be the truth. Trust me. That has been 507 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 12: reiterated to her from the government officials as well as 508 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 12: her lawyers. Elaine wants out, Elaine wants to live. It's 509 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 12: go time. And I guarantee you she's given the government 510 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 12: some bombshell information. And I think that's why this list 511 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 12: has not come out, because now they have to go 512 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 12: back and decipher every single thing that she said. This 513 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 12: meeting wasn't just to go talk about the case. This 514 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 12: was a very pointed, direct and factual obtaining mission by 515 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 12: the US Attorney's Office. 516 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Crispin. 517 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: Have you ever had to do something in the pursuit 518 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: of the truth, in the pursuit of justice that turned 519 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: your stomach? For instance, put somebody on the stand of 520 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: questionable character. Let me just put it mildly, because you 521 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: needed the testimony. I call it going to hell to 522 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: get the witness to put the devil in jail. I 523 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich by even entertaining 524 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: any kind of a deal for Jelainne Maxwell. As a 525 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: matter of fact, we heard what Virginia's fright now dead 526 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: by suicide had to say about Jelainne Maxwell. Well, another victim, 527 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: Teresa Helm, says something similar. 528 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: Listen. 529 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 15: Victim Teresa Helm echoes other's concern that Maxwell will not 530 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 15: provide any more truth on the situation. Helm describes Maxwell 531 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 15: as crafty and extremely articulate. Helm worries Maxwell will walk 532 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 15: away from these meetings with the sweetheart. 533 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Deal and the public will be left wanting. 534 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 15: Helm says if Maxwell negotiates anything like Epstein's two thousand 535 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 15: and seven slap on the wrist, it would be a 536 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 15: tragic day for those who survived her horrific abuse. 537 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: Promise after promise after promise, the confusion around suicide, the homicide, 538 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: the edited video. 539 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 4: They said that he was found dead from an apparent suicide. 540 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 10: There are more than eleven thousand documents that have not 541 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 10: been released to the publics around this child at sex 542 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 10: trafficking ring. 543 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: Why would they have lied about that? 544 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: Federal officials tell us that what's in those files is 545 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: quote shocking, disgusting, or sending anything they've seen before. 546 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: That's bad. 547 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: That's bad for a politician who's seen it all and 548 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: likely done it all to say the files are that contemptuous. 549 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell maybe the key to the client list, as 550 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: we call it euphemistically, young girls that were lured by 551 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell says she is sinister, that she's worse than 552 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: Epstein himself. The federal government also calls her quote crafty listen. 553 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 16: Federal prosecutors wrote in Glene Maxwell's sentencing memorandum that the 554 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 16: socialite displayed a significant pattern of dishonest conduct. They noted 555 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 16: several instances of Maxwell lying under oath. In twenty twenty one, 556 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 16: Maxwell told the court, I have committed no crime, which 557 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 16: was demonstrably false. In a twenty sixteen deposition, Maxwell Clayton 558 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 16: she never gave victim Annie Farmer a massage, but Farmer's 559 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 16: testimony at trial established that as a lie. Maxwell also 560 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 16: lied about her assets while applying for bail. Prosecutors wrote, 561 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 16: in short, the defendant decides when she wishes to disclose 562 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 16: facts to the court, and those facts shift when it 563 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 16: serves the defendant's interests. 564 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is, who do you think Epsen's 565 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: hanging around with nouns and priests of vergence. No, he's 566 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: with Julanne Maxwell. She is a child molester, and she's convicted. 567 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: And she is a liar. 568 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: So far her appeals have been turned down. Now she's 569 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: trying to get the Supremes on her case. Lauren Colin, 570 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: You've done extensive interviews and research. 571 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: What more can you tell us? 572 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 7: Yes, So, I actually interviewed her Appellet team, or part 573 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 7: of her Appellet team, in February of twenty twenty five, 574 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 7: right when Pam Bondy was supposed to roll out Phase 575 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 7: one of these files. So I'm talking to Arthur Idalla 576 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 7: and he actually tells me that Glaine said to him 577 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 7: about Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged quote unquote suicide, that 578 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein would not have the balls excuse my language, 579 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 7: to kill himself. I found that incredibly interesting. But at 580 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 7: the same time, Nancy, Arthur also seemed to gaslight me 581 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 7: a little bit in this interview, and I've clipped it. 582 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 7: You can find this very easily where he says to me, Lauren, 583 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 7: I just don't think that Glaine has this power. 584 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 8: That you think that she has. 585 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 7: And that was a slap to me, because look, we're 586 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 7: all talking about it, Nancy, she does. And something you 587 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 7: just said, when you talk about these files and you've 588 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 7: heard that they are quote shocking, disgusting, I mean, you 589 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 7: are visibly horrified. 590 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 8: Right When Pam Bondy did her little media tore. 591 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 7: About this, all she said about these files were Oh, 592 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 7: it's pretty sick, They're pretty sick. That didn't sit right 593 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 7: with me. That to me was very that was very telling. 594 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 7: She hasn't read the files. She doesn't even know what's 595 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 7: on these files. And so again this just goes back 596 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 7: to us being lied to, the American people being lied to. 597 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 7: I don't know who to trust at this point. You know, 598 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 7: as you've said, Delane, she's been charged in twenty twenty 599 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 7: multiple counts of perjury. So why are we supposed to 600 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 7: believe her now? 601 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: What I have learned in the course of our properly 602 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters she's talking about, 603 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: Epstein has quote shot me down to my core. Mangino 604 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: said that on X he goes on to state, we 605 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 2: cannot run a republic like this. I'll never be the 606 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 2: same after learning what I have learned. Okay, I mean, 607 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: what does he have to do take out a billboard 608 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: on Third Avenue for anybody to pay attention. This guy, again, 609 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: has not been marinated in the power of the White House. 610 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: He just got in as deputy director of the FBI, 611 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: and he says he cannot forget what he's seen, that 612 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 2: he is quote shot to the core. What is in 613 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: the files? 614 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: Back to you, Joe Scott, Morgan joining us. 615 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: I want to circle back, Joe Scott to the fact 616 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: that you and I and many many others believe that 617 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: Epstein was murdered. His brother believes it, people that knew 618 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: him believes it. In all this business about Julanne Maxwell's 619 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: defense lawyer saying, oh, she doesn't know anything. Of course 620 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: he's going to say something like that. What do you 621 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 2: expect He's paid to say things like that. But Joe Scott, 622 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 2: when you look at the brutality of Epstein's death, those 623 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: deep furrows in his neck, bottom line, she better come 624 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: up with some. 625 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: Truth, a big truth bomb in a hurry. Yeah, that's my. 626 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 13: Biggest piece to this that I don't know. It's so 627 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 13: glaringly obvious. You can see it actually on the CBS report. 628 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 13: Those marks on his neck, Nancy, The biggest tell for 629 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 13: me as an old death investigator is the fact that 630 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 13: they run parallel to his shoulders. There's not the tinting 631 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 13: feature of the classic tinting feature where you have with 632 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 13: a hanging these marks on his neck, and I urge 633 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 13: everybody just to look at these. It's very simple to 634 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 13: see they run backwards like this instead of going to 635 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 13: an apex behind his head. That is what we would 636 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 13: call a typical I mean, what did he do, lay down, 637 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 13: face down on the floor with a noose around his 638 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 13: neck in order to draw, in order to draw the 639 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 13: thing around his neck and choke the life out of him. 640 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 13: I just don't see it happening. You cannot sell this 641 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 13: to me, no matter how hard you try. I am 642 00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 13: not believe in it. 643 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 15: After her hours long meeting with Deputy US Attorney General 644 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 15: Todd Blanche Galene, Maxwell returns to the FCI Tallahassee, clad 645 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 15: and brown prison clothes and handcuffed in the front. But 646 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 15: when she goes through the gates, an officer follows behind 647 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 15: her with a mysterious box. Once Maxwell is freed from 648 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 15: the cuffs, she carries the bin inside. It's unclear what 649 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 15: its contents are. 650 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 8: Founded pointed in. 651 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 14: You guys, I want to talk about that. 652 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 3: What I do want to say is that DoD is 653 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 3: a great attorney. But you ought to be speaking about 654 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: Larry Sombry's. 655 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 16: You ought to be speaking about some. 656 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 3: Of his friends that are. 657 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 9: Edge fun guys. 658 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: They're all over the place. 659 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 8: You ought to be. 660 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 3: Speaking about Bill Lynton, who went to the island twenty 661 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 3: eight times. I never went to the island. 662 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to talk about them. I'd love to. 663 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: Now, just recently, Sidney Sumner, you were with me when 664 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: this happened. Sidney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter, the attorney 665 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: for nine and counting of victims of Epstein's child wanns 666 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: station victims, said that point blank he can't give the 667 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 2: names because of attorney client privilege. 668 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: He has to hold those names in. 669 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 2: But he said that there are many many corporate clients 670 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: John's of Epstein's that had sex with underage girls. 671 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: That's statutory rape. He said that. 672 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: And now we hear Trump stating you ought to be 673 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 2: talking about Larry Summers. You ought to be talking about 674 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: some of his friends that are hedge fund guys. They 675 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: kind of fits in with what the victims lawyer said, 676 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 2: you ought to be talking about Bill Clinton, who went 677 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: to the island twenty eight times. 678 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: Why was he at the island? 679 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 2: Leda island twenty eight times? Trump says, I never went 680 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 2: to the island, And you know what, I believe him. 681 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't think he ever went to the island. 682 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 2: But if his name is in those files, he's gonna 683 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 2: have I have to answer up. And doesn't preclude Larry Summers, 684 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 2: the Hedge find guys, or Bill Clinton from answering up. 685 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: They're not mutually exclusive, said Nate. 686 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: Remember when the victim's lawyer referred to all those corporate 687 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: clients of Epstein's. 688 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, and therein lies the problem is that you 689 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 9: hear all of these Well, Bill Clinton has been to 690 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 9: the island twenty eight times. Okay, where is that information 691 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 9: coming from? Exactly how do you have proof of that? 692 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 9: And how do we get proof of that. We need 693 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 9: to know exactly who was there and when. And it really, 694 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 9: at the end of the day, it isn't the public's business, 695 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 9: but you've made it the public's business because you've promised transparency. 696 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 9: You've promised that we're going to see how the investigation unfolded, 697 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 9: and why there isn't enough evidence to prove that anyone 698 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 9: else was involved in this, because those are the types 699 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 9: of comments that make the public feel like other people 700 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 9: should be prosecuted. So we're questioning, why aren't other people 701 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 9: having to take responsibility for their participation in this child 702 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 9: sex trafficking ring? But you casually throw out, oh, this 703 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 9: person wasn't involved. You can't have both. It's a double 704 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 9: edged sword. So it's really coming back and biting the 705 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 9: White House and the butt and they are just all 706 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 9: over this issue on opposite sides. Just ten days before 707 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 9: Todd Blanche arranged this meeting with Guwayne Maxwell, the DOJ 708 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 9: formally opposed for appeal to the Supreme Court. They told 709 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 9: the Supreme Court, hey, don't listen to this. This isn't valid. 710 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 9: She needs to remain behind bars, right where she is. 711 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 9: But now they want her to spill her guts on 712 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 9: everything she knows. 713 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, But again, those two are 714 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 2: not mutually exclusive. Her appeal has no merit, and I'll 715 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: tell you why. She doesn't have a leg to stand on. 716 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: She's trying to say that she was governed by Epstein's 717 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 2: plea deal in Palm Beach decades ago. No, I can't 718 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 2: take a guilty please from you, Sydney, and then you 719 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 2: give immunity, but out of your deal to Robert Crispin. 720 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: That has to be done through Crispin. See what I mean. 721 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 2: So Epstein's prosecutors didn't have the power to say we're 722 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 2: never going to prosecute anybody else in connection to this case. Ever, 723 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 2: they could do that for him for Epstein, but that 724 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 2: type of blanket immunity to govern decades in the future, that's. 725 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: A big no. 726 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 2: So I agree with the FEDS that that appeal has 727 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 2: no merit. At the same time, the FEDS want to 728 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: talk to her about the Epstein files. But I see 729 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 2: what you're saying is duplicatus to It's like one hand 730 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: doesn't know what the other hand is doing. I hear you, 731 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 2: Lauren Conlin. I'm where does it end? Because when I 732 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: hear the deputy director of the FBI say this is 733 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 2: no way to run a republic. We cannot run a 734 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 2: republic like this quote, I'll never be the. 735 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: Same after learning what I've learned. Yes, I agree, this is. 736 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 7: Very tough, and I think I just go back to 737 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 7: you know, I side with you when it comes to 738 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 7: Dan Bongino. He is not a career politician, but Nancy, 739 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 7: he was very much on board with this narrative that 740 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 7: Pam Bondi put out. He was tweeting it out, He 741 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 7: and Cash Mattel were echoing the same thing. They were 742 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 7: all on the same page. And then the reaction from 743 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 7: his fellow Republicans, from the American people, you know, he 744 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 7: saw that, and then all of a sudden he backpedaled. 745 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 7: And at the beginning of all this back in February, 746 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 7: there was also some blame on James Denihy and the FBI, 747 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 7: which is again why I go back to the whole, 748 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 7: Like the dj and the FBI seemed to be taking 749 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 7: the can down the road. But I agree with Sidney Sumner, 750 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 7: this is a double edged sword here. 751 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 12: The lead has been treated unfairly for over five years now. 752 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 13: If you looked up the. 753 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 1: Scapegoat in the dictionary, her face. 754 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 12: Would be next to the definition, next to the Dictionary 755 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 12: definition of it. 756 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: She's telling the streets. She's got no reason to lie 757 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: at this point, and she's going to keep telling the truths. 758 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 13: Thank you. 759 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 2: That's all we have today. What is he saying that's 760 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 2: for our friends at the teleha see Democrat of course, 761 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 2: exclaimed Maxwell's defense lawyer, saying, look, she's been treating and fairly. 762 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 2: She's child in lester for decades and decades and decades. 763 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 2: If you look up scapegoat in the dictionary, her face 764 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 2: would be next to it. Okay, she may be a 765 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,280 Speaker 2: scapegoat because everybody was angry Epstein didn't go to trial. 766 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean she's innocent. What hangs in the balance justice, 767 00:44:53,400 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 2: What hangs in the balance the truth, All politics aside truth. 768 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 2: That's what we're asking for. That's what we're asking for, Bondie, 769 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 2: you promised, now deliver What if anything will become of 770 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours in a room with Gleainne Maxwell. 771 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: Will we ever get justice? 772 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: Or because rich and powerful defendants may be involved, will 773 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 2: it all just be swept under the rug like we're 774 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 2: gonna forget it? 775 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: We're not. 776 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 17: We remember an American hero Deputy Sheriff Alejandro Martinez, La 777 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 17: County Sheriff, just twenty seven, killed in a line of duty, 778 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 17: survived by father, our tiro American hero Deputy Sheriff Alejandro Martinez. 779 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend 780 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 15: Y