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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, bro coming on the show Man,

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Speaker 1: big fan. I hate I got traded for you because

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to play with you. But man, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being on the show Man.

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Speaker 2: Rocking with Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me When.

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Speaker 1: You first got to the league. Who was the first

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Speaker 3: The first person to bust my ass was Man Marberry.

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Speaker 3: Steph Yeah, yeah, muscle point guard.

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Speaker 4: He's in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I want to say it was either Minnesota or New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: one of them teams like, man, look, couldn't even sleep.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, man, look I got I got guard this dude,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you know, my memories of him was

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Speaker 3: you know that one year in Georgia Tech when he.

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Speaker 2: Caught the lib.

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Speaker 3: Hold up, man, it's a super athlete point guard. He

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Speaker 3: wasn't seeing that at the time in the NBA. But

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Speaker 3: definitely Stephanan Marberry, you know, not not only did he

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Speaker 5: Hit you with, hit you with the fake come off

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: He had a great career too, man, but I was

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Speaker 3: shaking it. I'm probably older than him because he came

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Speaker 3: out as a freshman. I was shaking, like, man, I'm

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Speaker 6: Yeah, first run to seeing that speed and yeah, yeah it.

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Speaker 2: Was too much.

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location me and the blackest one is

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Speaker 5: out here in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 4: LA's fine.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the NBA's underrated best point guards. That

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Speaker 5: grace the court. We got Dre Miller in the building. Baby,

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Speaker 5: LA's fins. We appreciate you pulling up.

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Speaker 2: You'll have men.

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Speaker 4: We are Visible with Verizon. We weigh out in LA,

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Speaker 6: Got them towers out.

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Speaker 7: He presented by Visible. So you from Watson.

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Speaker 1: So for you didn't go to the first Factsus thing

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Speaker 1: it was or or in school?

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Speaker 6: You went to a private school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I was blessed enough. My mom, you know,

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Speaker 3: put me through private school all my life.

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Speaker 3: It was school right there in the neighborhood where I

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know the history of the school. I

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Speaker 3: It was a private school and it was all boys

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Speaker 3: like you going there. You know what I'm saying, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it wasn't nothing private about it. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was just the gates. It wasn't even no gates

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Speaker 1: So did they have a history of having a good program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know, it was a lot of history.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of tall guys around, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it really I still remember being at the park

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Speaker 2: Hey, you want to teach you something?

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Speaker 3: You know, shoot it like this, shoot it like that man,

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Speaker 2: You looked strung out or something.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a guy that they you know,

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Speaker 3: So, you know a lot of great players come out

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Speaker 3: We had no money to go way you could go

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Speaker 3: I never even thought about it, actually, you know what

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Speaker 3: You know, like if you could make it through this

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Speaker 2: I was right there with my family.

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Speaker 3: Everybody played flag, football, played basketball, parking recreation. If you

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Speaker 1: Who molded your game? Because like you're a floor general,

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Speaker 3: I would say the TV back then, the TV was

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Speaker 3: You know, I was a big fan and everybody around me,

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Speaker 1: When did you get strategy in your in your head?

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Speaker 3: So you get to college, I hold up, buddy, you

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Speaker 5: At what point did that happen for you in high school?

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Speaker 3: I didn't get recruited in high school. I didn't get

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Speaker 3: Let me be like Charlie Wood. I want to play

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Speaker 2: So you know Utah.

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Speaker 3: How I got recruited to Utah was the assistant coach

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Speaker 2: That's how I was off for the scholarship. You know.

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Speaker 3: It saw me playing in like a little summer game

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Speaker 3: I jumped on for maybe like a month out of

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Speaker 3: I got my scholarship.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't get recruited by any schools.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: I used to want to go to an HBCU.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they probably hurt it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Man I thought, yeah, yeah, big support for

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Speaker 2: You know, I want stuck the yard, you know.

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Speaker 3: But it was the best experience ever because I got

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Speaker 3: I learned to ride horses. I mean, I was skining,

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Speaker 5: How was it to play like you played with Keith

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Speaker 5: I remember, I can remember y'all making like a serious run,

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Speaker 4: After not even be.

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Speaker 3: I played with some dogs. That's when I learned. When

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Speaker 3: You know, we're playing one on one? Why you want

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Speaker 4: So? Man?

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Speaker 2: Those are my brothers, man, Those was my brothers.

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Speaker 2: It was the only time ever that I felt like

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Speaker 3: We thought alike, but we come from all different backgrounds

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Speaker 3: I never even looked, you know, as black as I

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Speaker 5: Was that something that you was nervous about going there? Like,

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Speaker 4: Though? What did you know that you ever been there?

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Speaker 2: Never been there? Never knew where it was on the map.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I went out there. I didn't even go to high

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Guess where I slept at. I slept in the closet. Man.

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Speaker 3: I made my bed in the closet, and straight up

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Speaker 2: With Keith van Horn.

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Speaker 3: They had a big old house, three levels, all the

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Speaker 2: You know, straight peanuts, straight blanket, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, so jazz.

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Speaker 1: You know, he got an eye on him from the

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Speaker 1: run that y'all met a lot of people seen how

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Speaker 6: How was it to play for Rick? What did you

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Speaker 1: And that season that y'all had to be like, well,

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Speaker 3: Man Rick Majeri's to me was like a genius of basketball,

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Speaker 3: like four and a half hours a day.

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Speaker 2: It was like school.

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Speaker 3: It was like military school basketball. Everything rolling the one

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Speaker 3: and if you even look like you got a smirk

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Speaker 2: And he didn't discriminate nothing.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: I learned, so every day I learned something. I became

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Speaker 3: He say, you know your son ain't going nowhere. Say

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Speaker 3: I'm giving your son a scholarship, not because he's good. Well,

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Speaker 3: I just want to help make a man out of you.

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Speaker 3: And I grew up man. I grew up man because

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Speaker 3: I was tested a lot. But man, I learned. I

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Speaker 3: learned so much about basketball man that it was just

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Speaker 2: When I got up out of there, I was ready

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Speaker 6: What about this season that y'all made that deep run?

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Speaker 1: Like what clicked when y'all went into the turn when

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Speaker 2: No like you know, it.

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Speaker 3: It was twelve fifteen more of itzone team. I didn't

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was so man, it was so much hoops going on.

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Speaker 3: Man, And I said, it was the only time that

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Speaker 3: I actually felt like I was on the team on

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Speaker 3: all lifted waist together, we ate together. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: so much weird stuff, you know, like we was like

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Speaker 3: and it was like we all thought the same in

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Speaker 3: that run.

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Speaker 2: Man, it was like a dream.

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Speaker 3: It was like a dream, Like didn't even happen to

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Speaker 3: be able to play against Mike.

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Speaker 2: Bibbie and.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we had played them

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Speaker 3: the year with van Horn the year before and we lost,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the preseason game, and then van Horn

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Speaker 3: went on to the NBA. Then we get to play

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Speaker 3: ninety seven. They trying to go back to back and

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Speaker 3: we got to play them beat them. It was a

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Speaker 3: great experience. Then we gotta go play this jumping guy

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Speaker 3: from North Carolina Antoine Jamison and Vince Carter. I'm like like, look, man,

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Speaker 3: look man, this ain't for me. You know basketball. And

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Speaker 3: when I saw that dude, I swore he did a

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Speaker 3: flipping warm ups and did a dunk. But it was like, man,

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Speaker 3: his athleticism was so unreal. I just knew he was

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Speaker 3: going to the National.

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Speaker 5: Championship, coming from from like not even being off for

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Speaker 5: scholarships to you know how you got the scholarships of

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Speaker 5: going there and then having to sit out. You ever

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Speaker 5: think that you would eat your jersey retired in Utah?

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Speaker 4: Never, like what was that? What did that feel like?

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Speaker 4: Achieving that?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: When I got the call, I felt like I didn't

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Speaker 3: deserve it.

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Speaker 2: Number one.

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Speaker 3: You know, I did get my degree, I did get

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Speaker 3: in the University of Utah. You know, they gave me

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Speaker 3: we're gonna put your name up there, you know in

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Speaker 3: the raptors happened to legends, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: Like seriously, utah me, it was a great experience.

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Speaker 2: Man. It was like like senior Day or something, you know, like.

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Speaker 3: All those people Miller, Miller, you know, like, man, it

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Speaker 3: was crazy, man, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a dream.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: It was a dream come true for.

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Speaker 4: Me to get drafted.

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Speaker 1: Like your draft got some some hitters in your ill

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Speaker 1: talking about Elton, Steve, Franchise, Boom Baron, Davis, l old Rip,

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's Signed, Mary and Jason Terry hit us.

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Speaker 4: You top ten in that draft.

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Speaker 1: What you did that previous year shows that you was

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Speaker 1: like one of the elite. How was your draft for you? Like,

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Speaker 1: how was your experience at the drift man?

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Speaker 2: The draft?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: I told this story the other day. Man, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what was going on. It was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, fresh to lockouts over. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you remember. Gods y'all y'all been in the green

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Speaker 3: room and have the nice suits. Everybody get the nice

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Speaker 3: suits made and stuff. And I'm in Salt Lake City

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Speaker 3: and get the invite to the green room like that,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna lottery you get invite to the Green rooms.

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Speaker 2: Man, I gotta get a suit. I ain't got no bread. Man.

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Speaker 2: I went to North Rooms. I went to North Rooms.

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Speaker 3: Man, I went to North Rooms and picked out a

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Speaker 3: suit man getting no designer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My relative was with me. Man, look man, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get some suits now. Back then, nor Strooms was like like,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Like you you shop at north Strooms?

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Speaker 4: You that guy.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm killing with that suit. You know, I had

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Speaker 2: a regular looking suit.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to do no size and or nothing

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Speaker 3: walking there. Get me and my cousin the suit man.

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Speaker 3: And I felt as basically as I could at the draft. Man,

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Speaker 3: But you know they experienced.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: I still got my suit. You know, I look at

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Speaker 3: it from time to time. Hopefully I can fit in

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Speaker 3: it again.

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Speaker 6: One day, that one again.

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Speaker 3: But man, the experience of the draft man, to see

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Speaker 3: these young brothers from different backgrounds, you know, we kids

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Speaker 3: and we get a chance to go to the draft,

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Speaker 3: and that was that was great.

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Speaker 5: I had that feel to shake David Stern hand like,

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Speaker 5: cause that's the picture today.

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Speaker 3: Man, I wasn't even looking at David Stern. Man, I

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Speaker 3: don't wn't worry about him.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to walk straight. I was trying to walk.

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Speaker 3: Straight across that stage. Nervous still, you know what, still shot. Look, man,

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Speaker 3: they say you can only have ten people or something

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Speaker 3: like that at the draft tail. I'm like, look, I

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Speaker 3: got about two hundred people, two hundred people that I

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Speaker 3: want to bring to this draft. They're like, you can't

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Speaker 3: do that, mister Miller. No, I'm bringing all my family friends,

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00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm having my regular suit, you know

449
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and d C the first time I've

450
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 3: been in Chocolate City.

451
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. The draft and I got

452
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 2: on this raggedy suit, you know what I'm saying.

453
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 3: But look, man, to take pictures with my peers and

454
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 3: experience that dream I got, like lamar Odham sixteen sixty eleven,

455
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 3: Baron Davis, who's from the area Los Angeles.

456
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 2: You know what, man, it was a dream come true.

457
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 4: Man.

458
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't worried about David Stern.

459
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 3: I was worried about walking right across that stage without shaking,

460
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 3: and worried about the interview because back then we couldn't talk.

461
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do no damn interview. You

462
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

463
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm stuttering, you know, all types of stuff, so you

464
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: know it. But it was and all in all, it

465
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 3: was a great experience.

466
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: So to get drafted and now you come to Cleveland,

467
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: Cleveland ain't one of the best teams in the league

468
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 1: when you get there.

469
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 6: How was that transition?

470
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 2: Straight garbage?

471
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 3: But look, I love Cleveland, man, like man, I love

472
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 3: clean mistake by the lake, No, by the lake.

473
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 4: No.

474
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 3: I was all up and down the streets in Cleveland

475
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,360
Speaker 3: by myself. I was rolling skating. I was everywhere, man,

476
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 3: and they didn't. I mean I walked through the mall.

477
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: We don't want you here.

478
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, man, come on, man, I'm just a young guy.

479
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But I mean that was

480
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 3: my welcome to the NBA. So I soaked it in

481
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 3: and man, I had I had a good time in

482
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: three years.

483
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 4: Helldo you just spoke on some d d right way?

484
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 5: Made sure he wanted me to bring up like your

485
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,719
Speaker 5: hidden talent of skating. He say, his mom's be bumping

486
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 5: into you at the skating riek all the time.

487
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: You out here like us on the real man, I'm

488
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: better than us. Sure, I'm lot these dudes. I'm all

489
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 3: skater man.

490
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: What's crazy.

491
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: Thing is I just saw the right mom last Thursday.

492
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm not lying today May nineteen, today Thursday. Last thursday,

493
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 3: I saw d right. She said, you came up to me.

494
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle because you know, you know, I'm

495
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 3: just warming up get my swag, right, And she come

496
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 3: up to me like Dre, you know what I'm saying.

497
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: And I and I rolled with her. You know she

498
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: is a roller.

499
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: Amir Johnson, Mama, me and herd and fell a couple

500
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: of times skating together.

501
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

502
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: Look, you you really out here out.

503
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: Here Chicago, Saint Louis been I'd have been all y'all

504
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: skating rings.

505
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get them.

506
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 6: That's how I learned how to drip. I used to

507
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 6: driple I was skating that is.

508
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: That is hilarious, bro, that was my outlet.

509
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 6: Straight up free skatee man, skate. That's it.

510
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: You in Cleveland, And like when did you know that

511
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: you can have success on this level?

512
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 6: Like when did you know?

513
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: Like, man, yeah, I'm good enough because like you're playing

514
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: a position where it's hit us.

515
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 6: It's hard every night, it's hit us.

516
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: Jason kidds Chauncey Billips.

517
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 3: You know, like Stockton, Oh my god, still crossing mar

518
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: Barry Young, Irs.

519
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 6: Young, Mark Jackson out there, Mark Jackson.

520
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: Shaking all over the place.

521
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 6: You know, so you're playing the position like that?

522
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: How was when did you know that you can have

523
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: some type of success where you can compete with the best.

524
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: I had the confidence and I was.

525
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: I was in the locker room with some vets man

526
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: Mark Bryan, who's with the Phoenix Sons, you know, helping

527
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: with DeAndre a And I have Bimbo Coles, I had

528
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp.

529
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: I was in the gym with a legend Raymond. You

530
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I learned how to be a

531
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: pro bowlund here.

532
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: Tyrone Hill, I forgot about him, Bob Sarah.

533
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: Wesley, Person, Lamar.

534
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 6: Murray, Lamony, you know what I'm saying.

535
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: But the person that really helped out in my development

536
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: was John Lucas. So John Lucas really gave me the

537
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: green light to say, Richard, go out there and make

538
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: it happen.

539
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: Richard Pryor Richard Richard, Richard, Richard.

540
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: Ain't Richard Man just go out there play basketball, shoot

541
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: the ball.

542
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Pull you know? He man, he was always on me.

543
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 5: Man.

544
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: He the first person that told me was like, look, man,

545
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: ain't no crying in the NBA. Say, if you show

546
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: your emotions, you ain't gonna survive. You show your weakness,

547
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: you ain'tna survive. And he gave me that confidence and

548
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: just go out rock, you know. And then my leadership

549
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: skills led by example. I wasn't no wolfer and talking all.

550
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: Hey man, y'all need to private wood.

551
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: I just went out and and just bust my butt

552
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: and he gave me that. John Lucas was a big

553
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: part of that.

554
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: After my first year, my homeboys just ask me, like, yeah, man,

555
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: which from the point, guse you want to play with?

556
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: I used to be like Jay Kidd and Andre Miller,

557
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: like the way y'all used to pass the ball, throw

558
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: lives and just see stuff.

559
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 6: I'm an runner and.

560
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: Slasher, so I know I automatically work, which y'all automatically like,

561
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: fits with y'all.

562
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: I hated that I got traded.

563
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 5: It was crazy because the year before he got traded

564
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 5: for you, you led the league.

565
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 6: And assists like the worst team in the league.

566
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: Playing with some shooters.

567
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: Man Wesley person La Mam married trading Danny Ferry. I

568
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: was playing with some shooter. You gotta get that ball

569
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: in that pocket and they ready to fire up.

570
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, so how is that possible, like for you

571
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: to lead the league and assists? He nice, I don't

572
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: know the worst team in the NBA.

573
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: It's like never.

574
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: It's like a.

575
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: Point guard like knowing that if you don't pass the ball,

576
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: they're gonna be on your head. Ye Tray, Come on, man,

577
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 3: you're young, you like you gotta make your teammates around

578
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: you better.

579
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: And that's something that I picked up.

580
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm glad I played with vests because I that if

581
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: I can make them happy and please them with my

582
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: passing skills and practice leadership skills from a practice standpoint,

583
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: that's how I earned my respect.

584
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 6: I was just dishing as a point guard.

585
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: When did you get past taking chances because you know,

586
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: like you get some point guards like I used to

587
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: be on my bad Jared Jack. You know you my guy,

588
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: Jared Jack. I love Jared Jack. I love his game,

589
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: the way he played. But he was so safe. Yeah,

590
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: he would throw that live he went throw like he went,

591
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, to assist the turnover. Racial thing get up

592
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: and there, and he won't take the chances that a

593
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: point guard like you will take like you and Jay

594
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: kidd a throw that half court live or that live

595
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: over when you see the big man concealed all just

596
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: certain paths, you will take that chance And a lot

597
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: of point guards wouldn't because they were scared of either

598
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: the coach or them getting put on the bench. When

599
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: did you not care about the chance he was taking?

600
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: You believed then you can get it.

601
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: I never cared. I never cared. It was that simple.

602
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: I knew guys was good at what they did. I

603
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: knew I was good and solid at the way I passed,

604
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: and I knew guys like Quinn and Darris.

605
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: If I throw that ball, they you know if I want.

606
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: I knew my personally.

607
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: I know Daris Moles go like this and we make

608
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: that eye contact, It's going there. And I would risk

609
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: my whatever, me getting bitch or whatever for your success.

610
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 3: I gotta help Darius Miles get that bag. I'm gonna

611
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: throw that to the rim. You know what I'm saying.

612
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: I want to see him make ESPN guess what. I'm

613
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: happy for my teammates. And that was my definition to

614
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: myself as a point guard. I'm throwing it. I don't

615
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: care what the coach is gonna say, you still gotta

616
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: put me in, because who else you're gonna put in,

617
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna put me. I'm gonna go back in and

618
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: get my rest man. I took pride out of hey man,

619
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: let me get this guy the ball. And guess what,

620
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: I don't mind getting rewarded last you know, you know.

621
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: How was it from you from your perspective when you

622
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 5: got traded for him to the Cliffs.

623
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: I was sick. I was sick. I'm gonna tell you why.

624
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: I was sick.

625
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 3: I'm in Cleveland three years, you know, trash team, not

626
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: even the Lebron James Colors. You know, we was Cleveland Rocks.

627
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: You know, they playing stuff and I'm like, what is this?

628
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: But it was a dream and the management it was like,

629
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: we want you to go get this award to somebody.

630
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: I think I'm best playing on team. Where you want

631
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: to go? We want you to go to Akron, Ohio.

632
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: You know you can player award ceremony to god named

633
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: Lebron James.

634
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: Who the hell is that? You know?

635
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: So I go out to Akron and I mean Lebron

636
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: James's in high school. Hey give him his Player of

637
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: the Year award. Hey, look, man, go to college, get

638
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: an education.

639
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know. I was talking to Lebron James.

640
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: So you know his contract year, and they told me basically,

641
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: the organization told me, you know, they was going to

642
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: tank the season the contract year they could get Lebron,

643
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: so they could get Lebron. So my agent was like,

644
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, you know how the agent, you might want

645
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: to ask for a trade, right trade contrade.

646
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 2: They ain't gonna pay one.

647
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: Let me ask what contract I mean a trade and

648
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: bam might get traded home. But there is miles that

649
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: year before y'all knuckles.

650
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: The real story.

651
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 5: This is why you got traded because your agent said,

652
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 5: my agent, they taking his contract year.

653
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: You need to get up at y'all look at something.

654
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: You might just as they tried to trade Lamar and

655
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland wouldn't take Lamar because he just got in trouble.

656
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: So I was the only one left and they was like, yeah,

657
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: we want him. Only way we'll do it.

658
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: If you want like.

659
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 5: The point guard that I want to listen. This is

660
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 5: for real, breaking new. We've never known this story like

661
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: this is.

662
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 6: I was in Vancouver when I found out we could.

663
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: Have won a Championship with Lebron, Like I really said,

664
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: told Lebron James to go to college and get education.

665
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you're a four year college dude that I

666
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: can understand. And you think you tell you I did

667
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: the right thing.

668
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did the right Okay, cool, you didn't.

669
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: I mean he didn't listen.

670
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: So I worked out he already was probably worth two

671
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Speaker 3: thousand millions.

672
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 6: Bruce called my house, my grandmother house.

673
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: They just went to the NFC Championship, so he the

674
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: man in Saint Louis, he called my house and he

675
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I went to a junior college and

676
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: then I went to college.

677
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 6: And it's okay, Like you can go to college.

678
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: Bro.

679
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: They telling me I'm lottery, Like you're telling me to

680
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: go to college, telling me I'm loudery.

681
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I told him.

682
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: I listened to him and respected what he said to me,

683
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, cool, I appreciate it.

684
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 5: Was his host when he came to de oh Man listen.

685
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: As soon as he got I already knew it. I say,

686
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: you top five.

687
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 6: I took a free trip he took. He took all

688
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 6: the money, he spent all the take me.

689
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: No, that's what I did.

690
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: He took me the White Castle, give me a burger,

691
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and he dropped me off.

692
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 6: Man.

693
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: You know, don't give you humber like eighty fiurs. You

694
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 5: know we charge that to the game. Big fella. Hey, listen,

695
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: do you remember this though? After you got traded preseason?

696
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 5: Come like you remember me? You and Elton had to

697
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: go out to that big boy mansion way out here

698
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: somewhere in the photo shoot. We did a photo shoot

699
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 5: with the baby powder blue and look, they had a

700
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 5: whole table full of jewelry. When we got there.

701
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: I thought I was sexy.

702
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: We couldn't tell we never we had a we had

703
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: a match and they like standing like this.

704
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: It's like real the type stuff.

705
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: It was.

706
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm stitting on the diving boy. I still got that.

707
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: I still got the magazine French.

708
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: That's my favorite one. I got it.

709
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: Man, I ain't lying about the big as that window

710
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: over there.

711
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: We California living like ESPN. You see the pull and

712
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: it's the big old white I thought.

713
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: I was crazy. I was a celebrity.

714
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: Y'all was born.

715
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: But I know I was a celebrity. You couldn't tell

716
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: me that. When we asked Front Page List.

717
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: We pulled up on the It was in the state

718
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: like you put up on the.

719
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: Remember, we had to pull through the God say what,

720
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: I say, what's going on? I'm like, I want a

721
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: house like that, all white everything, boy, like the White House.

722
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: But but dope. But I was like, ooh, this killing them.

723
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 5: Then they had to tell you I had I had

724
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: about twelve different change on baselest and that they had everything.

725
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: Boy, you would have thought we was a Lakers. You

726
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: would have thought we was Kobe and Shackles us nothing.

727
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: We're getting to cover. Were getting the cover.

728
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: Front page of ESPN magazine.

729
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: Several pictures on the interior as well. This is a

730
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: whole deal.

731
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: I excited.

732
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Was your mom and like, like your family members of

733
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: of you playing in l A and being able to

734
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: play for the Cliffers. Man, they was Lakers fan and

735
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: they was like, man, y'all l.

736
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: A was the worst thing that happened to me. Man,

737
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: that's home, that's home. Man.

738
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: But my mom, man, you know, she liked the ward man.

739
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: She the mom and dad.

740
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 6: Man.

741
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: She put me on the transit on the bus at

742
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: six years old. Man, My mom, my mom. She was

743
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: a protector.

744
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: But then at some point she just let me go

745
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: with respect, and you know I got a lot of

746
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: butt whippings. But man, like when I came to playing

747
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: in LA, she was probably like head of security, like

748
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: you know, hey, everybody you know get lost. You know

749
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you know, it was a great experience,

750
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You know, to be home

751
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: and friends coming around and the tickets, man, you know,

752
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: the tickets, y'all know how that go. You know, people

753
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: don't really understand that you got auntie, uncle, family, man, friends.

754
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: Hey man, we need thirty tickets, man, thirty thirty.

755
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: That's on the low end. That's on the low end.

756
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: But you know, a great experience. I wouldn't change it.

757
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: When you signed for that big money, it's contract time,

758
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets.

759
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: When you signed for all that money, like could you believe?

760
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 6: Like it wasn't real?

761
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't real. It still ain't real.

762
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 6: You know they want to give me how much?

763
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: Man, it still wasn't real.

764
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: And you know we all know it's you know, you're

765
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: getting all this money tossed that you're like, ship, I

766
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: could get more. This ain't no I want more, and

767
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: we all let us tell it. We all got a

768
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: bad contract. We all got our agent messed up. We

769
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: got a bad deal, man. But I remember when it happened. Man,

770
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: and I you know, a lot of this stuff is

771
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: kind of like therapy for me when I share the stories.

772
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, want these kids on how to save your

773
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: money and this and that and how to do things

774
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: the right way.

775
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Man.

776
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't care, man, you know, and I'm the cheapest guy.

777
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, yeah, I ain't had no Jerry. I

778
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: still ain't got no ear rings in my ear no

779
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: nose rings, nothing.

780
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: No, I ain't. I might have had some rings. I

781
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: had some datings.

782
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: I always wanted some chrome datings.

783
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna always have some chrome dtings.

784
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: What kind of the day zone?

785
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: Man? Look gmc U can twos? You know what I'm saying.

786
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: Day I felt special, you know what I'm saying. But man,

787
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: I helped my man. I wasn't worried about nothing. Everybody

788
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: gonna eat whatever I can do. We all gonna eat

789
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: to my detriment, you know what I'm saying. I didn't care, man,

790
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: because you only get this life once. So I enjoyed it.

791
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: And I don't look back and say, oh, I shouldn't

792
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: have did that. No, I enjoyed it, man, you know,

793
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: even on a cheap scape tip. You know, I was

794
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 3: a cheap skate everybody. Man, Okay, I do a little man,

795
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: I needed, I need. You know, I'm aware during the season,

796
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear the same sweatsuit for the whole season.

797
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: You know.

798
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: Hey, let me ask you this though, When did you start?

799
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 5: Because like You're one of the only people that I

800
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 5: that I can never remember, like in the pros, like

801
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 5: I can remember back maybe like when I was young,

802
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 5: and I might have tied my shoes behind my ankles

803
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 5: the way you did, Like when did you start doing that?

804
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 5: And what made you like you did that throughout high school, college,

805
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: the NBA and everything, Like what made you stick to

806
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: the unorthodox way of tying your shoes behind your ankles

807
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: and all of that.

808
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Man, I tell you crazy story. Me and one of

809
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: my cousin, one of my reptiles. Man, Man, we was

810
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: always competing against each other. Cousin Reggie. You know what

811
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm saying. He always wanted to wear socks like Michael Jordan.

812
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: You know, he always had three he was sometimes dude

813
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: wears six pairs of socks. You know what I'm saying,

814
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: Like and we was always like, you know, shoe strings,

815
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, you get some shoes, like I will always

816
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: cut my shoe strings and just time behind my shoes.

817
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: So you know, if I'm hooping, I ain't gotta worry

818
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: about my shoe strings coming loose while I'm hooping. So

819
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: it just became a habit, man. And you know, like,

820
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: I don't feel like making a looping my shoes. Let

821
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: me just tie these things and the not. And it

822
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: just became a habit. I used to get, you know,

823
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: clowned about it all the time.

824
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: Hey man, Dre Man, what you doing with your shoes? Man?

825
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: Why you do that?

826
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 8: Man?

827
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: You know, like I just tie everything and the not,

828
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: so I ain't got to worry about time I'm during

829
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: the game.

830
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: So that's just how it was.

831
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 6: When you got to Denver.

832
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: Like the talent y'all had, from Ken to Melo to

833
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Sharon Leonard, man, y'all definitely had a playoff team. This

834
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: was the first time you really had a team like this.

835
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Carmelo was the Lebron for me, you

836
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And Lebron got drafted. I was

837
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: looking for the next superstar. I'm free agent, you know, Quinn.

838
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: That year we was in Clippers. Everybody was restricted free

839
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: agents and we had a squad.

840
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: We had a squad. We didn't even make the playoffs,

841
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: and like.

842
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: Man, where can I go? Where can I go? And man,

843
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: I know they ain't gonna pay me. You know, they

844
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: got eb they got Lamar, Hey, Corey, I gotta find

845
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: somewhere to go. And I see, oh, Carmelo Denver Nuggets,

846
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: let me go sign it. Man, it was like that

847
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: was the closest thing that I felt like, you know,

848
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: a celebrity, Like I'm traveling with Carmelo Anthony, he a

849
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: rock star, he just won the national championship. Then you

850
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: bring Ken over, you bring Jr. Over, I'm bringing you know.

851
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: They they got real basketball players that that win, that

852
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: care about the sport. And man, I enjoyed my experience there. Man,

853
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs, you know, the first time making the playoffs

854
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: because Denver had a bad reputation with the losing.

855
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: You bring a youngster in and we go to.

856
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: The playoffs right away first year. So it was a

857
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: great experience.

858
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: Did you think deserved Rookie of the Year.

859
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Did he win really the year?

860
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, Lebron, I don't know, I wasn't paying attention,

861
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: man was he was cherry picking and Marcus Camby was rebounding.

862
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: I was throwing down. Let's get buckets.

863
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: You know.

864
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: It was you know, Carmelo wasn't worried about no Rookie

865
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: of the Year. He was a he was a baller.

866
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: He just wanted to be the best. And that's the

867
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: respect level that I had for him. Like, man, we

868
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: had a no no water drinking ruling practice. We hooped

869
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: that much like, hey, we can't take water breaks.

870
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: We hooping. He was that kind of a ball player

871
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: I seen.

872
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Y'all was kind of like a tight ness group when

873
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: y'all was playing together.

874
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: Definitely.

875
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 5: Do you remember when we was this, when I this,

876
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 5: when I first knew, like I said, wait a minute, okay, okay,

877
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 5: now match up dra from Watts And the one time,

878
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was the one time, I

879
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: think I can't remember who he was playing. It might

880
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: have been the Warriors. You got hit in the mouth

881
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 5: and they said so like you got it, you gotta

882
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 5: tech in the game. And then you know they got

883
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: you out of the game and you wouldn't sit down.

884
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 5: You were standing up on the side like no it did.

885
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 5: Like we came to halftime, bro, like like Dre just

886
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: said it earlier. He wasn't no wood for no talking,

887
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 5: no none of that. He was hot. I'm saying, looking

888
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: at you know how you see your team? Man, I'm

889
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 5: looking at like he got the little town.

890
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, get in the locker room.

891
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 5: He's like, hey on everything they come to that whole

892
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 5: I better see they as to sit on the floor

893
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 5: like Wes.

894
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 2: He's like every time I go in here, he knocking

895
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: me Dawn.

896
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: He like we better do the same. Damn. He's like,

897
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: fuck this.

898
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: I said, tew up.

899
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: Do you remember that, bro?

900
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: I don't.

901
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was a few episodes where you

902
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: know that NBA stuff was real, man. People think that stuff. Man,

903
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: that stuff is real. I don't even remember playing in

904
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: the NBA, but it was real. It was It was

905
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: a dream. It really was a dream to play against

906
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: that type of talent, in that physicality.

907
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Man, it didn't happen. It didn't happen.

908
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: When they say you're finna get traded for Ellen Irson Becauld,

909
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: you believe like Philly finish trade alives and they finish

910
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: trading for you.

911
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: Finnah I wasn't finna get traded. I didn't know what

912
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: was going on. I was actually at practice when I

913
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 3: got traded. Man Alan Irrison was on.

914
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 5: His way to Denver, Colorado.

915
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: I went to practice. Why he was.

916
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 3: Saying, practice, practice, practice, and then they trading, They trading,

917
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: and I'm at practicing Denver and I still remember, you know,

918
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: going to my locker after practicing, my phone ring my

919
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: mom like you know, you.

920
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: Got traded right what my mom called me? Heah, you

921
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: got traded got traded to seventy cent one?

922
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: What well?

923
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: I get traded for?

924
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

925
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: I was hot.

926
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: I was hot because I felt like we had a

927
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: good thing. You know, it was three years in a

928
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: row of playoffs. And then you know, I understand, like,

929
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: you know, I was mad, but I'm like, hold up,

930
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: I got traded for I got trade for a legend

931
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: I traded. I get traded for no gatorader or a sandwich

932
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: or nothing. I got traded for Alan Iverson. So I

933
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: was mad at first, you know. And I was also

934
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: mad because at that time, Philly was one of the

935
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: worst teams in the league. So you know, that's when

936
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: business of basketball really hit me.

937
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 5: How Like, yeah, talk about that from a business of

938
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: basketball standpoint, Like, how does that feel for you to

939
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 5: be in the VAM facility and you find out.

940
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: That you like, why y'all even got me up in here?

941
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, Like embarrassing, embarrassing everybody

942
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: know except me. Come on, guys passing the ball and

943
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: then you trade it the whole time. But no, y'all

944
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: know it ain't nobody saying nothing till you get to

945
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: the locker room. You look at your phone and boy,

946
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: you know that was two thousand into two thousand and six.

947
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: Man, But it was.

948
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: It was a blessing. Man, it was you know, hey,

949
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: somebody wanted me. You know, That's how I had to

950
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: look at it.

951
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 6: I think he was a blessing for Andrea Goodala.

952
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: I feel like you help him get his niche in

953
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Philly like you was definitely a good key for him.

954
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: Man, for real life, Like I went from Carmelo Anthony

955
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: and Kenya Martin and j R. Smith, all these It

956
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: don't matter what level you was or how people thought.

957
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: All those guys was legends to me. Then I go

958
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: to a younger team with young legends Andre Louis Williams,

959
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: you know, Thaddeus Young Willie Green who coaching for the

960
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: New Orleans Like those guys was legends to me. You know,

961
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: I didn't look at it as a bad situation, but

962
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: it was like they needed help from a different perspective

963
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: that probably the GM thought that I could probably help

964
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: as far as whatever he thought.

965
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, tell me this, what did you develop?

966
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 5: Like always, whenever I see anybody like you know, how

967
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: you see somebody driving and they hit behind the leg

968
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: I called that the Dre Miller slash d West. That's

969
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: literally it, no matter who white. I've been calling that forever,

970
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 5: like where did you do? Because it was it was

971
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 5: so dominant when the way you use it and the

972
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 5: way d Wade used it, we just seen people go

973
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 5: sliding because y'all was big bodyguard. So y'all like, what

974
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 5: did you deserve? I mean developed that move? And when

975
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 5: it was just.

976
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: It was reaction, man, Like everything y'all know is reaction

977
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: in the NBA to a trap or a hard show.

978
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: You know.

979
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: And and again you know just watching you know, back

980
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: then kill a crossover like crazy thing. I couldn't even

981
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: do it, kill a crossover, you know what I'm saying.

982
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 3: It was just too slow, you know what I'm saying.

983
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: And my thing was, you know, I felt like the

984
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: behind the back leg was a little bit more quicker

985
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: for me, or splitting the pick and roll that way

986
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: than it was trying to actually cross somebody up and

987
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: get pass on. It was easier for me to do that,

988
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: and it just kind of became a habit. Again, that's

989
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: just from you know, the friends that I grew up

990
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: with competing, Like he was always trying to figure out

991
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: a move to get past somebody, and you know, it

992
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: just kind of fell into it. You know, y'all tall guys, man,

993
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: I gotta get low. I gotta get past y'all. And

994
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: sometimes the crossovers don't work, so I gotta figure out,

995
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, a go to move and the counter.

996
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: And that's that's something that just kind of fell into it.

997
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: Start bench cut, I mean, start bench trade. You gotta

998
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: trade one. You gotta start one. Gotta bench one. Dame Liller,

999
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Kyrie IRV and Steph Curry. I'm bitching Kyrie, he's trading.

1000
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 6: Dame.

1001
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: No, I ain't trained, Dame.

1002
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 6: You ain't trading trading Steph.

1003
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: No, I ain't trading him either. So you said bench.

1004
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 6: One, trade one, start trade.

1005
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm trading Steph.

1006
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 6: You trading stuff, because then.

1007
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: He could go to his trade and be the superstar

1008
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 3: over there.

1009
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 2: And then I'm starting Dame.

1010
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 6: Oh you're gonna start Dame.

1011
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start Dame because then Stephan can go somewhere

1012
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: else and be his thing, do his thing, and then

1013
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: finish over there. Because you know, he clutched to me.

1014
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: So Dame got the team trade Steph?

1015
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: Who older? Actually I don't know. Steph might be older.

1016
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: Steph might be older, but they they might be like

1017
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years apart. But you can't hit a miss.

1018
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm benching.

1019
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm benching Kyrie, and I'm keeping Dame and trade Steph.

1020
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Either or either or Magic, Isaiah, Jason Kidd.

1021
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: Show Time, Magic Johnson show Time. Who was the other one?

1022
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: You say, I'm with the big guards. I'm sitting j Kidd. No, no, no,

1023
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 2: I'm sitting Isaiah and.

1024
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: Kidd be his leader on another team.

1025
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: Hey tell me this, like doing your time? Like who

1026
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: what you say as a point guard that you was

1027
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 5: like when you had to play against him?

1028
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: You like, so here I go against this mother tonight?

1029
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: Like who was that dude?

1030
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: Like whether it was he gave you hard time defensively

1031
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: or whether whether you had a hard time guarding him.

1032
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 5: You know, some people like for me, like Tayshaun Prince

1033
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: was a nuisance. It was hard for me to screw

1034
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 5: on him because his length and his height.

1035
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: And all that. But like.

1036
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: But like it was like he gave you a problem

1037
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 5: defensively or whether like you know, you gave you know,

1038
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: he was hard for you to guard.

1039
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: Whichever way, who was that guard for you?

1040
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't the stars like you say. You know, it

1041
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: wasn't the star because we knew we had to be up.

1042
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna be up for everybody anyway. But a guy

1043
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: that always gave me issues, like man, and he's a legend,

1044
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups. Like I mean, like he was the same size,

1045
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: he was drawn, he could shoot that thing, he could defend,

1046
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: and he was super smart and he got some dogs

1047
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: hooping Woody and he got some dogs.

1048
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: Man, I gotta guard this guy.

1049
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He was He was so consistent.

1050
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: He was so consistent to me, like he gave like

1051
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: it wasn't Alan Bush ask, Okay, I'm gona guard him.

1052
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: You know.

1053
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: After a while, he's still gonna have thirty eight forty points.

1054
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: That's an expectation that you know, just not let him

1055
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: get forty five feet and if he hit thirty six,

1056
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: anywhere from thirty four to forty, okay, I can live with,

1057
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, But Chauncey Billups, you know, he just gonna

1058
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: slowly rock you and and make you look bad if

1059
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: you ain't on your stuff.

1060
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: He was a tough guard for me.

1061
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: Do you take pride in like you barely miss games?

1062
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: A two games? Like you played a lot of games,

1063
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: and you barely miss games and you play seventeen years,

1064
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: you take pride in like man, I got up every

1065
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: day and went to that gym and put in the

1066
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: work to like earn everything that I got.

1067
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely my thing was, you know, my personality was

1068
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: not to let my teammates down, to always be available,

1069
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: like if one thing, whoever, whoever hurt, everybody's hurt, well,

1070
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, Dray gonna be there, Dra gonna hoop, dra

1071
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: gonna get us some assists. He gonna help us get

1072
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: some points. We're gonna lose, but somebody gonna make espn.

1073
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Something's gonna happen. But I

1074
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: just took pride of being on the court. You know,

1075
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm living a dream and I'm

1076
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 3: gonna get the most out of it. I'm gonna get

1077
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: the most out of it. I'm not taking no breaks

1078
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: because y'all know it go by like that. So my thing,

1079
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: and I didn't even have to tell myself that, Like, man,

1080
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 3: I gotta get up and go to practice.

1081
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: There, No, I'm getting up. It's just something that was

1082
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: automatic for me.

1083
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 5: You're the only player was sixteen thousand points, eight thousand assists,

1084
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred steals that didn't make an All Star Game.

1085
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 5: I know you somebody who really don't care about that,

1086
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: But do you feel at any point like you should

1087
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 5: have made an All Star Game?

1088
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: Like you led the league and assists?

1089
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: Man, I feel like I played in the probably the

1090
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: number one or the number two best generation in NBA.

1091
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean that's just how I felt. So me making

1092
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: an All Star team, I didn't care. You know, afterwards

1093
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: after basketball, man.

1094
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: I should have made like three four All Stars. Man,

1095
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: I should have got sixty seventies eighty minutes.

1096
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's nothing that you can control, It's nothing

1097
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: that you can control. So for me, Man, I got

1098
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: a chance to You got a chance to play against

1099
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. I don't know even Michael Jordan. That's the

1100
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: first person that I felt that could fly. You know,

1101
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: I saw Michael Jordan fly. I played against Kobe, I

1102
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: played again an animal in Shack A shack ain't real,

1103
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1104
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 2: He was an.

1105
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 5: Animal and like just just seeing a human being. They're

1106
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 5: huge on the court, and like, what did you think?

1107
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: It was a monster? Monster?

1108
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: Like people think like like he was a monster. Like

1109
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: you hear stories about Will Chang. We didn'taint see Will Chang.

1110
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: We got Chancey Shack though, and that's all. He wasn't normal,

1111
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: So you know, it was like the NBA was a

1112
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: whole bunch of guys that was heroes and characters, cartoon

1113
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: characters or something that has special powers to me, So

1114
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: I didn't I wasn't worried about.

1115
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: Working making no all star team.

1116
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: I got a chance to hoop against the best, the

1117
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: greats of the game.

1118
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 6: How was it when you first met Michael Jordans.

1119
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: My first time meeting Michael Jordan, Man, I tell people

1120
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: this story. Man, when Michael Jordan was gonna come back,

1121
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: and we was all like.

1122
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 2: U c l A.

1123
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, we all like UCLA.

1124
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know how everybody got text message, you know,

1125
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: phones really became real phones. Was really everybody just hey,

1126
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: come to Santa Barbara. I don't know if we go

1127
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: out to Santa Barbara. And I don't know if y'all remember.

1128
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: Maybe y'all made this up in my head. And Jordan

1129
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: come in and looked like he had been swimming, you know,

1130
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: he was sweating. I don't know if you remember, Like,

1131
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: hold up, that's Michael Jordan. And the first thing that

1132
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: came out of his mouth was, I don't know if

1133
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: you'll remember, I don't know, maybe I'm making this up.

1134
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: He said, give me Dre Miller, whoever else.

1135
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 5: Thats what Mike. He was smart about taking appoint me.

1136
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 3: I get to play, yeah you. And then the crazy

1137
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: thing was when we was in Cleveland. That's when he

1138
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: came to playing Cleveland and it was like you thought

1139
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: the president was coming to the city, like he's on

1140
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: a tour, and we was that shooting around and he

1141
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: walked on the court and at that time, he's like

1142
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: no family of friends in the arena to come to

1143
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: shoot around. I brought a couple of partners and they

1144
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: hiding in the stairs. So I stay after and I'm

1145
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: shooting and who a basketball hit me in the head.

1146
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: It Michael Jordan came on the court. We're supposed to

1147
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: be off and he hit me in the head with

1148
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: a basketball. Get off the court, young fella. I'm like, look, man,

1149
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 3: I got two buddies that's hiding up there in the stands.

1150
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: They want to meet you.

1151
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: And he talked to him, man, and that was my man,

1152
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan ain't real to me. You know what I'm saying,

1153
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: He's not really. He wasn't real to me.

1154
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1155
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 6: I love that year. Just me and you talk about

1156
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 6: it all the time too.

1157
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: Man, Like every time we was playing them, we make

1158
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: sure he's standing by him so people can take the

1159
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: picture and.

1160
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: Stuff like that.

1161
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 6: Two years and he played like it was like man,

1162
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: so he played.

1163
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: Action for I don't care if we standtill just the

1164
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 4: team team.

1165
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: I was trying to smell, like, who was he?

1166
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: Look, man, that dude had black skin, he was bald headed.

1167
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: He was beautiful, you know, he was he was glow.

1168
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: He wasn't. He was a character. He was a cartoon

1169
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: character that flew.

1170
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that glow like Bruce Lee roy Ye.

1171
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 5: This is what I like to ask when you when

1172
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: you got that bad. I know you took care of

1173
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 5: Mom Dukes and you was self proclaimed cheapskate. At what point,

1174
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 5: if ever, did you step out? Like when did Dre

1175
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 5: do something with the bag, do something that you look

1176
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: at look back on, like, Man, I was tripping. I

1177
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: was wild and right there, but you enjoyed it.

1178
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: Man, I get a contract and real talk like I

1179
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: probably went to the bank.

1180
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: I still remember this. I had a party, the Sacramento

1181
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: house party, got a new house by family and friends

1182
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: up this two thousand and two, and I actually went

1183
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: to the banking, got out three hundred thousand dollars.

1184
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 5: Okay, pressed already, it's the truth.

1185
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1186
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: This is my therapy.

1187
00:52:52,120 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: This is my therapy, cash boy. When I say failure

1188
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: and my great grandparents had eighteen twenty kids. When I

1189
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: tell you, everybody showed up at their house and I

1190
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: passed out all that bread.

1191
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's when I knew I was tripping.

1192
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh, so I go it all the way, I gave

1193
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: it all away.

1194
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: Everybody look people. I came back Caprice on twenties. You know,

1195
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: all tons of whips. Everybody got diamond ear rings in

1196
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: their ear and I only went to sleep for like

1197
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: two hours. It took them out for two hours. That

1198
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: money was gone. They was gone. I handed that envelopes,

1199
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: envelopes with names on them, and you know, you know,

1200
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: like you can't give everybody the same thing. Like I

1201
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: was dispersing it the right way. Here you go twenty,

1202
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 3: everybody get twenty. No, some people get fifty. Some people

1203
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: get for it.

1204
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: Boy oh boy.

1205
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: They was fighting and everything. And when they when I

1206
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 3: woke up, Shoot, everybody had whips, grills, you know, grills

1207
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: was real.

1208
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: People have some grills.

1209
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 8: Man, mouse, They couldn't even man like, man, you got

1210
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 8: the wrong size, Man, you got the wrong size.

1211
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: You you a good brother.

1212
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 5: You went and got three hundred thousand calves and then

1213
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 5: had a big house party and party love and they left.

1214
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: Look, my pool was black when they left my party. Man,

1215
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: I had to get a whole new pool.

1216
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 3: My pool was black, and I gave away three hundred

1217
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 3: thousand in cash. Wow, yeah, I guess what I was driving.

1218
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: Montero Sport miss Abci.

1219
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: Mission.

1220
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: Anybody rolling whips and I'm driving the MISISSPCI Montero.

1221
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 5: I definitely remember about that about you. I didn't remember

1222
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: exactly what car. I remember you not caring about cars

1223
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 5: and whip stuff.

1224
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: And I know, man, actually dar's yo yo.

1225
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: Like when we went to Portland, I'm like, hold up,

1226
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: well you get the Portland it's nothing but whips in

1227
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: the parking lot.

1228
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember that walk down walk.

1229
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, hold up, this team right here they got

1230
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: they team got the best whips in.

1231
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 4: Portland.

1232
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, hold up, what the hell is that?

1233
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all got whips. And you see some big

1234
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: monster tires. That's the miles Like this looked.

1235
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 5: Like toy about it. Look it wasn't really this my

1236
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 5: oldest son. This my oldest son. I said all the time,

1237
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 5: show look this look. Man, ghetto was all outside. He

1238
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 5: didn't have no real they come.

1239
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 2: He had a toy. Man, he really had a toy.

1240
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: You could correct me when I get through and say

1241
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 5: the model this man was sitting on thirties.

1242
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: I don't even know it was a car, not a car,

1243
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: a car, probably a Rose Royce or something.

1244
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm like the Rolls. He had the Rolls Royce on twenty.

1245
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: Six, like ten colors on it.

1246
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 4: It was a cameleon. The man had The man had

1247
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: money on the hood.

1248
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: When you get to Portland, you didn't even want to

1249
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: play the game.

1250
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: You like, bro, you se me.

1251
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 5: You thing looked like a spaceship. I'm six six and

1252
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 5: I had to I had to, like you.

1253
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: Have to get an extension ladder to get in.

1254
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 4: I had the label.

1255
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: You have something man. We looked forward to going to

1256
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: Portland because we like they got whipped.

1257
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: He couldn't even.

1258
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 5: Speeding me because it was the title that man driving

1259
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: in slow most you gonna drive in super slow most

1260
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 5: like like seem I see us going five.

1261
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was possible.

1262
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 5: Listen the man. Listen, you're not lying though. Z Bows

1263
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 5: up there with the big money greens fanly they was

1264
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 5: they was killing y'all had big boy toy that there.

1265
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: They was to them feature teams.

1266
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: They was featured car.

1267
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: With Paul and the rest of Peace.

1268
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was definitely cool.

1269
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, yea got you say they was. They was big

1270
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 5: boys stunning. Not j Im impressed by that story. You

1271
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 5: just I did not expect that three thousand cash and

1272
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 5: then just handed out and the best part, he said.

1273
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 4: He went sleep for two hours. He came back, chains, whips,

1274
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 4: necklace again.

1275
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: Everybody was living at that Guys would get a whole

1276
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: new pool.

1277
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: Man. They know she was gonna give out money.

1278
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: They didn't even know.

1279
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: I just how I'm gonna get You know, I'm born. Hey,

1280
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm having a party getting money. How you feel they

1281
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: drive six seven hours from La Sacramento. Boy, I have

1282
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: probably about one hundred people in my house.

1283
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: How that felt that you did that? Though you felt

1284
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: like you took care of the fan.

1285
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't over.

1286
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: That was just the beginning.

1287
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: He got. Deal with moms. When you think it now?

1288
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Where mine at as?

1289
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 4: You get.

1290
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ye, so yeah, but hey, I wouldn't I

1291
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't change that at all.

1292
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 6: It was fun for a lot of teams.

1293
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: If you can put four other players to play with

1294
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: you from all your teammates that you had in the

1295
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: n b A, who would be the four other players?

1296
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: Man?

1297
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: You?

1298
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: The professor Bradley Bell, I was old at that time,

1299
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: Bradley Bell, Tim Duncan because I called called San Antonio.

1300
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: I didn't want to play for that team, but you know,

1301
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: it was the end of the road, so I had

1302
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: to pop, you know, so, yeah, who else I played with?

1303
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: I take Eagle Dollar, I take dollar.

1304
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 6: You know three?

1305
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: How many people is that? I gotta take Sean Camp.

1306
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: I gotta take Sean, I gotta take the Raymond and

1307
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony. Yeah, that's my start me. Who I say,

1308
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 3: Bradley Bell, Carmelo, Anthony, Tim and kimp In Kemp.

1309
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: That's my team. That's my iggy, the six men word up,

1310
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: that's my team.

1311
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 6: That's dope.

1312
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: Damn that was off the head too.

1313
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 4: That's a dope.

1314
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 5: What did you What did you get the nickname the Professor?

1315
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 5: When't that coming back?

1316
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1317
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: Probably some some geek, some geek in the stands professor,

1318
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: you know, like it didn't come to like fourteen, twenty

1319
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: fourteen or fifteen. But hey, when you get a nickname

1320
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: and it wasn't even popular, it's pretty cool. Rich D Miles,

1321
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: you know, like when you get a nickname, you know,

1322
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: you know lebron King, you know, you get a nickname.

1323
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: You live for that.

1324
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 5: Just glad to know Coach Lewis was calling you Richard

1325
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 5: Pride to you remember me call you.

1326
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: Called me Richard Prior and the Clippers and three thousand,

1327
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: three thousand, three thousand, Yeah, they always call me three thousands.

1328
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: How does it feel to live off the grid? You

1329
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: don't have no social media, you don't have none of that.

1330
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: I remember when I lived off the grid, and it

1331
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: was it was just a good peace of mind. But

1332
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: now I dive and dabble a little bit now industry,

1333
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, live off the grid.

1334
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: Man Man like, man, I'm a I'm a family guy.

1335
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: You know, I value friendships and relationships before the basketball

1336
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: ye you know, my peers we played against each other.

1337
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: I wish health and safety to all my peers that

1338
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 3: that that grew up in that NBA Basketball World, college

1339
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: and NBA. But man like, my family and friends and

1340
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: and my upbringing and the grind was my safety net,

1341
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: my motivation, my motivation.

1342
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: So there's no need for me to go out and

1343
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: publicize if I gave out some.

1344
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: Book bags to some kids or some tennis shoes, Like,

1345
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: I value the old part of me because that played

1346
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: a part of my upbringing and my success. So I

1347
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 3: stay off the grid. Number one, not to get in trouble.

1348
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know who I'm gonna get in

1349
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: trouble by. You know what I'm saying, but you know,

1350
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm not pressed. You know, I'm itching a little bit,

1351
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: like you know, hey, man, like why not that's where

1352
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: it's going, So you gotta figure out a way. But

1353
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm not itching, Man, I enjoy I enjoyed my life.

1354
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1355
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: Whenever I get to talk to the youngsters or hang

1356
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: with my friends, I take advantage of I'm a full

1357
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: out family, family person like that.

1358
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: You are a lot of guys favorite point guard or

1359
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: one of their favorite players. How is it you know,

1360
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: like us like and you know other guys to just

1361
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: be like man, you know, I always wanted to play

1362
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: with you, and I already respect your game to see

1363
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: where you came from to see it now because now

1364
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: like even for us, like for guys to be like man,

1365
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: I rock with you back in the day as we're

1366
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: older now and when I send you with iverson thing

1367
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I was telling you, like, man, you just don't know.

1368
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: I ain't never told you that, but like I always

1369
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: wanted to play with you.

1370
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, and it's vice versa man like you guys

1371
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: and the guys I played against was like heroes and legends,

1372
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: you know, like I gotta make y'all happy.

1373
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I got to impress y'all,

1374
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: even if it's boring.

1375
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I ain't gotta be flashy.

1376
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: I say, you know what I want d Miles and

1377
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: Q Rich. I want them to say, yeah, I want

1378
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: to play with Drey. He's gonna give me the ball.

1379
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 3: That's my satisfaction, Like, hey, I got to make them proud.

1380
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: That's what the to me, the NBA family is about,

1381
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, individual a. You know what, there's just different

1382
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 3: levels to this. We got the mega stars and we

1383
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: know who they are. They make with the league that

1384
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: there is. You know Shacks, the Kobe's, the lebrons Ais

1385
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: and KG. They bring personality to it when guys like us,

1386
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: we bring that grind and the hard work, like we're human.

1387
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 3: People see us as superstars, but we actually know that

1388
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: we're human.

1389
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: We know the guys eyes.

1390
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: So you know that was my satisfaction as far as

1391
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: you know, everybody was a hero and a superhero to me,

1392
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: So you know, I wasn't missing no time. You know,

1393
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 3: I'll play with anybody, you know, even if it's the

1394
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: manager guys. You know, the video coordinators. Look how much

1395
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: stuff they had to deal with.

1396
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1397
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 6: So now they got coaches out here.

1398
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: There's more coaches. There's more coaches than players.

1399
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 6: Now from the video room to the head coach.

1400
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 5: I need to know, like how elite of a skater

1401
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 5: are you? We need this love for skating like along

1402
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 5: and how how long have you been.

1403
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 4: Seen movies?

1404
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 5: Man?

1405
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 4: Y'all have seen movies like rodbouns.

1406
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: You're doing not.

1407
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: Rollbouts like more like an at L, you know, because

1408
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: it was harder skaters different things. But I've been Yeah,

1409
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 3: I swagged, man, you know I'm on my Cali swag.

1410
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. My Stacey Adam skates.

1411
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1412
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: That's how you're doing Cali. But you know I've been skating.

1413
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: I've been skating. I mean, y'all stand, what's that movie

1414
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: of the movie, the Sugar Night movie n w A

1415
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: movie when they was in Skateland us A. That's where

1416
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: I started off skating. Skate Land us A.

1417
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 5: Right here to you got to where you get your

1418
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 5: custom joints. Shout out to.

1419
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: The crowd cutters, A little shout shout out to the crowdcutters,

1420
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 3: you know, shout out to you know, all them skate

1421
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: crews out there. You know what I'm saying, I miss y'all. Man,

1422
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: I ain't no crowdcutter. But I'm a real skater and

1423
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: I skate by myself. Man, I go to different man,

1424
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: it's like a fraternity. I just I'm just by myself,

1425
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 3: you know. I like to be in my old, little,

1426
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 3: own little world. It's it's a lot of guys in

1427
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: the NBA that skate. I heard she skate. I heard

1428
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: ron Tho skate. It's a lot of moms that skate.

1429
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's a d White Howard. I think

1430
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 2: he got a sister. She rolled.

1431
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like it's some real but

1432
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: like I'm better than all.

1433
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 4: Of skate grew learning how to skate. Boy, you break

1434
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: your fib you try and.

1435
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 5: Skate skated like three weeks ago. She is not telling

1436
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 5: the truth. If he did, he didn't do it long

1437
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 5: and he didn't do it.

1438
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 6: I just don't be letting you know, because you bet.

1439
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: On the load. Saint Louis, Mike got the best skate

1440
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: j J.

1441
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 6: St Louis, J B.

1442
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: Sat Louis.

1443
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: Just like Chicago, they be doing splits in Chicago, they

1444
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: do splits.

1445
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: And stuff they stuff in Chicago.

1446
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: I tried to do that stuff. I had to get

1447
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: up out of the skate ring in Chicago.

1448
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 5: I gotta see some footage out there looking like Richard

1449
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 5: Pryor on the skates.

1450
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: Boy, I gotta see you having your taco.

1451
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: Me showing no. No, I ain't got no hair on

1452
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: my chest.

1453
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 4: You know what.

1454
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: I ain't out there like more's chest, No than nothing.

1455
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm out there. My swag is right, My Cali swag

1456
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 3: is right. You know, I represent Cali. I love to skate.

1457
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 3: That's my activity. That's you know, man, look little of

1458
01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: gems out him.

1459
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't wanted to ask you to like the you

1460
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: and burn Paul Perarce, you know, like the Ray Youngs,

1461
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: Jelani McCoy's, like all these guys, these Cali guys, to

1462
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: see when it was only a few of y'all coming out.

1463
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: Now you see the Paul George, the Westbrooks, the Kawhi Leonards,

1464
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: the the real Rights, like all these guys. That's that's

1465
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: coming to the Martel ros Is, Like, how is it

1466
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: just you know, just to see like you know, when

1467
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: it won, it was just a few of y'all tonight

1468
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: as many of y'all and not only as this many

1469
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: of y'all, y'all, some of the top guys in this

1470
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: league that came from California and you was part of

1471
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: that culture coming up.

1472
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 6: Guys, seeing y'all play.

1473
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: It was beautiful, man, it was beautiful.

1474
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: And the craziest thing is I'm older than them cats

1475
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 3: like that generation, Like if you have to start from

1476
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: that generation, I'm in the older group, even though Paul

1477
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: is a year younger than me.

1478
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: But it's a drop off.

1479
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: Between those years of the og that was real ballers,

1480
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: Marcus Johnson's and the Michael Cooper's and Elden Campbell's and

1481
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: the box you know now Shae Shae I think might

1482
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: have been the same age like he was.

1483
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 6: Lebron, James Lebron.

1484
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: The really guys that really hit me about l a

1485
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 3: basketball that really hit me was whin the O'Bannon Charles,

1486
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: I mean Ed O'Bannon. That was the first person that

1487
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: I saw like basketball was really basketball in California to

1488
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 3: go over to Artisa and see Ed O'Bannon played basketball,

1489
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 3: Toby Toby and Moose Toby with a lot of people

1490
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 3: want to talk about like the original Grand Hill Ricky Price.

1491
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: Ricky Price was I think he might have been to

1492
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: McDonald's all America. Like man, I was selling candy on

1493
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: the streets sometimes when they was doing that stuff. You know,

1494
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: there was some real ballers, you know. So I mean,

1495
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: it's beautiful, man. Those guys do a lot in their community.

1496
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: They do a lot, you know, and much success to

1497
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 3: them because you know, y'all.

1498
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: Know from where we come from. It's tough, and you know,

1499
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: everybody doing that thing.

1500
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: But then like you know, seeing Trevor Reza and Paul

1501
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: George and Kawhi and all these guys come around the

1502
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: corner from seeing them them Clippers play and you know

1503
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and y'all play and so forth. On

1504
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: the Magic Johnson game that they used to throw every

1505
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: year doing the summer, like like just to see where

1506
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: California basketball players then got to in this league.

1507
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 6: Like it's just beautiful.

1508
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 3: One thing I say about all those guys, the Paul George's,

1509
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 3: the youngsters that was coming up, Tomar, all them dudes,

1510
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 3: just like us with students of the game. They value

1511
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: the game, they respect the game, they love the game,

1512
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 3: and they all about.

1513
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: Doing things the right way, you know. What I'm saying.

1514
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: They all have their different style of swag on how

1515
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: they approach the game, but they all were students of

1516
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: the game, and I'm sure they was watching TVs and

1517
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff like me too, and having

1518
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: those dreams like all of us.

1519
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 4: That's been real man. We live on location.

1520
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 5: Man, we got one of the realist one of the

1521
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 5: most underrated pgs you gonna ever lay eyes on led

1522
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 5: the league and it says did a whole lot of

1523
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 5: other stuff, man, Dre Miller, LA's fine us in the building.

1524
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 4: They showed you, bro.

1525
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 2: Thanks for having you, guys, Thanks for having.

1526
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 4: All right.

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,920
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1530
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,720
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