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Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a fried egg,

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Speaker 2: Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Egg, Frida Egg,

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Speaker 1: I'm about ready to run off of thelf course.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 2: Friday Egg Podcast. Today, I'm joined by Madina Superintendent, head

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Speaker 2: of Head of Grounds.

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Speaker 1: Director of golf Course Operations.

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Speaker 2: Specific Director of golf Course Operations, Curtis Tyrrelle Curtis, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: On, Thank you, Andy, appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's a it's a I been meaning to do this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think you've got a very interesting story.

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Speaker 2: You've got a first background between you know, multiple renovations

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Speaker 2: of you know, that's in the United States. And I

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Speaker 2: think a great way to start would be like, how'd

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Speaker 2: you get here?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it's been a wild ride.

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Speaker 3: I'm originally from Maryland and I graduated from Elon University,

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Speaker 3: North Carolina. With a degree in history, and I had

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Speaker 1: But yeah. So a couple of years later, I went back.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Man. I was super pumped, you know, to come to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's a heck of a facility.

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Speaker 1: You know what? Hell man?

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Speaker 3: It's it really depends on on the site and any

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Speaker 3: And you know, in some in some cases, it could

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Speaker 3: I think that that is definitely a good benchmark in time.

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Speaker 3: improve that. So we needed somebody to help cut and

439
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: move a lot of dirt. So there was a it

440
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: was a real hybrid of that design build. But I

441
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: tell you what, I really liked that that way of

442
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: doing it. I mean Brian Brian and Eric Iverson who

443
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 3: was also here for a little bit as well as

444
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: a couple other guys had circle through here for period

445
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: of time, watching their approach to it and watching their

446
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: their abilities. Was that part that really just, you know,

447
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: I think kind of blew the door wide open.

448
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: You know.

449
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: With Reese, you know at the Lake of Isles, I

450
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: he had these plans, and Steve Wiser and Bryce Swanson

451
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: they would they'd come up and they'd come up as

452
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: often as they could, and considering where they lived and

453
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: close to that project, they were up a lot.

454
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: And so that was great. I got to learn a lot, but.

455
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: They'd leave and they kind of after we got comfortable

456
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: with each other, they'd leave it to me to make

457
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: sure that when they got.

458
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: Back it was done a certain way. So it was

459
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: my job to kind of work with.

460
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: Those shapers and say, closer to the green with this bunker,

461
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: flash this higher, This.

462
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: Needs to roll more, you know.

463
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: So I was over there massaging what they were doing

464
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: based on their direction.

465
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: And you know, that was interesting because we had.

466
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 3: Freelance contractors working through a major golf course contractor out

467
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: of Montreal, and they all spoke crunch and I mean

468
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: it was just a wild deal. Move it over here

469
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: to Wadsworth. You know, I've gotten to know their their team,

470
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: and they've done all our work here, and they've got

471
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 3: some fantastic shapers in their own right, and they are, uh,

472
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: they're really flexible and and pretty damn good. I mean,

473
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: it took a little while on two to get them

474
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: to come out of their comfort zone because they're so

475
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: used to kind of mass building according to plans, and

476
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: then I'd have to teach them that, hey, just because

477
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: you know on ten out of eleven projects, you've you've

478
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: done it like this, forget it. I want that whole

479
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: ledge cut down and I want to be able to

480
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: see through it, and it's totally different. But once I

481
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: got them to understand that, boy, they'd shape it out perfectly.

482
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: And they get a lot of reps.

483
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: They get a lot of reps, and so they've got

484
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: they've got a lot in their repertoire. But they need

485
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 3: if if if somebody's not there to direct them to

486
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: be different, they're going to kind of build that standard template,

487
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 3: you know.

488
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we did, was we.

489
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: Got them to break out of that mold on course

490
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: too and shape completely different than they normally did. And

491
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: so re Reese's involvement and Steve's involvement, you know, was

492
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: was just the same where they we talk about what

493
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 3: it would look like and then I would make sure that,

494
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: you know, it was getting built that way. Whereas with Tom,

495
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: you know Tom and Brian. Tom would come up, Brian

496
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: would build it, you know, they'd talk about it and

497
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: and Brian would.

498
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Make all all the subtle things.

499
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: And then as Wadsworth came in to kind of prep

500
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: it for finishing and my crew would come in to

501
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: seed it, you know, Brian would be there looking over

502
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: our shoulder, to make sure we didn't take anything out essentially,

503
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he had it the way

504
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: he wanted so in the finishing process, don't lose that ridge,

505
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: don't don't don't soften that role, you know. So it

506
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: was it was really cool and definitely different. But I mean,

507
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of fun to be able to

508
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: build things the way Brian and Eric and Tom's guys

509
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: can build. And if I were ever do something like that,

510
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: I would probably follow that direction and try to do it,

511
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: or or hire some of Wadsworth guys to work with me.

512
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: And help me.

513
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, start your own firm.

514
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're they're really good.

515
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: It's it's it seems to me when I look at it,

516
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: all parties are more aligned that way because there's no

517
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: competing interest. It also seems like for the club, you've

518
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: got one direct path. There's never has it have you?

519
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: That's you know something I've always wondered, like, have you

520
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: ever had a situation in your experience where like whether

521
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: even be back at Desert Mountain, like where the contractor

522
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: the designer and the club, like you know, there was

523
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: like a struggle with communication. It's pretty usually pretty clear

524
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: right from the from the get go, and like it's

525
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: never been a big problem.

526
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what it deesner't Moount. It was Jack Nicholson.

527
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: He built all those courses and so he would come

528
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: out and whatever he said went. You know what I mean,

529
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: it was never a struggle there and and.

530
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: That was that was you.

531
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: Know, interesting and fun to get in the back of

532
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: a pickup truck with Jack Nicholson ride to site.

533
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't say a word. I just listen,

534
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, but you know what he said went there

535
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: in the.

536
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: Lake of Isles was was was really from the ground up.

537
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: So you know, Reese had full artistic control. I mean,

538
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: he did have a budget and a project managers and

539
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: things that he was accountable to. And we did run

540
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: into issues, like I said, with rock and dynamite things

541
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: that were big dollar things. But Reese's you know, very

542
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, creative and good at that kind of stuff,

543
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: and he managed all that here. You know, the membership

544
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: from the very first day that the president of the

545
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: club that that hired me ten years ago was a

546
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: man by the name of John Potts, and he was

547
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: adamant and to this day is the same guy. And

548
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: in that hey, I'm going to hire the best people,

549
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: and I'm going to empower them to do the job,

550
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: and I'm going to get out of the way.

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: And he held that line, yeah, exactly, and he held

552
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: that line in it. And I'm happy to say that

553
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: that remained consistent as others followed him through the through

554
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the board, and through the Green Committee, and and you know,

555
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: we we've had really I mean, both the architects have

556
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to hear from the membership, and the membership's

557
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: had their chance to provide their input or give their opinions.

558
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: But it's kind of always been at the beginning, as

559
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the plans being developed, the concepts are being reviewed, you know,

560
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: they want to hear what the customer wants. And then

561
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: but but when it came down to it, and I

562
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: bet you if you ask Tom, he tell you how surprised.

563
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: He was in the end that they let him do

564
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: whatever he wanted. And I remember when we were trying

565
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: to get the design out of him, you know, the

566
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: final one for review, you know, he was he and

567
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: Reese both were kind of you know, like, are you sure,

568
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, look, if you want to blow it up,

569
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: blow it up.

570
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: They want to.

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: See that they want to see what you think, not

572
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: what you think they want. They want to see what

573
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: you think. That's what they're looking to get. And and

574
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: Tom was like, you got to be kidding me, you know,

575
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: in his own way, you know, like you got to

576
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: be kidding me. He took him a while to I think,

577
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: trust me that I was telling the truth as I

578
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: liaison this information and encourage him to do it. But

579
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: he did it and and it and it held true

580
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: all the way through.

581
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: And so that that credit goes to the members of

582
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: a diynat.

583
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: You know, they went out and they found that the

584
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: people they wanted the best people that they could get,

585
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: and they empower them to build it. And now they've

586
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: got they've got those products out there, which you know

587
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: is a testament to them and their commitments.

588
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting. I think that's like really good

589
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: advice for any membership or any Greens committee is is

590
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: letting like you know, when when you get to a

591
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: planning stage in an architect putting together plans, like you know,

592
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: let them put everything they want to do out there. Yeah,

593
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: because like they might have something that's spectacular that they

594
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: hold back on because they're afraid. But like letting them

595
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: put everything out there, right. You know, you can always

596
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: rain something back in, but like you, you won't see

597
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: the full the full thought because they're you know, they're

598
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: really artists and.

599
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: Sure, and and you have to do that too from

600
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: an infrastructure structural standpoint, because the art won't manifest completely

601
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: if it doesn't function properly. And you know, that's what

602
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: people run into is they have to set budget before

603
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 3: they even start, right, And we face that at the beginning, like, hey,

604
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: we're only going to spend this much on the project.

605
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Well okay, but our philosophy was we're going to tell

606
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the membership what it costs to do it right right.

607
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: And it happened to be more than double on that project,

608
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: and everybody was concerned and we talked about it, but

609
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: we all agreed that hey, let's let's give them the

610
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: full project and let them say no. And we gave

611
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: them the project, we gave them the backup and they said, yes,

612
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: we built it and it worked. So you know, I mean,

613
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: if you're fortunate enough to be able to take the

614
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: time to do it that way, that's that's the way

615
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: to do it. This whole value engineering. Before you even

616
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: go ask for the money is just a road to

617
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: shortcuts and disasters.

618
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: How's maintenance and golf course, like just the overall philosophy

619
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: and trends. Yeah, changed in the last fifteen years for

620
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: the industry.

621
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: You know, that's a good question. They've definitely continue to progress,

622
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: and I would say most of it has been around

623
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: the development a lot of the new grasses that guys

624
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: are using, whether it's warm season or cool season grasses.

625
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: Everybody's using modern you know, varieties and species that happen

626
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: to be high organic matter producers. Right, so we're all

627
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: trying to get the firmest, fastest product that we can get.

628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: Right, that's a little different, Right, That's that's definitely different.

630
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: And and uh, but we're trying to do that with

631
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: these grasses that are inclined to get there. But what

632
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: people don't see is what what happens under the under

633
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: the canopy, under the surface, and and uh, inadvertently it

634
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: requires a lot of maintenance that people haven't really counted on.

635
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: So that's that's been a change, you know, coming up

636
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: from the desert there seven years. You know, I always

637
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: had a real or I was taught a real irrigation

638
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: was a premium you know, I learned to manage head

639
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: by head. I learned not to waste to drop of water.

640
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: I learned to water very specific and effectively. And I've

641
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: used those principles through my East Coast work, my Midwest work.

642
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a Southern work, so I mean, it's

643
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: all it's all been there with this firm and fast

644
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: approach and water conservation and all the things that come

645
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: into today's golf course maintenance, environment managing irrigation and understanding

646
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: water quality and making it work for you for as

647
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: little as possible ultimately yields that playing service people are

648
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: looking like and addresses the environmental concerns.

649
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: And really what it.

650
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: Comes down to is it's funny, is that it's really

651
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: about the fundamental principles of cultivation and soil modification and

652
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: or drainage. Right, You've got to have a draining profile.

653
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: You can have heavy soils that hold water. You got

654
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: to remove the organic matter. If you do all that,

655
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: you can use the least amount of water. You can

656
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: keep it firm. You can do all these things. And

657
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: you know, as painful as that is to take a

658
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: golf course out of play and execute that, it's critical

659
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: in my opinion.

660
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: With the new courses, you get the new greens and

661
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: they don't have any like Thatch in them. Right, what's like,

662
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: what's the best year to play like, because I know,

663
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: like no Thatch, people will be like it's way too firm, right,

664
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: is it like year or two when they're just perfect?

665
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: You know what with these newer grasses, like we have

666
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: double O seven creeping bancrafts on our greens here Madonna,

667
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's it's literally end of the second year

668
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: beginning in the third year when we need to.

669
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Now start removing it.

670
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: So somewhere in that second year start of the third

671
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 3: you've got the right amount. And if you don't get

672
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: on it, then in terms of the management of that profile,

673
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: it'll get away from you quick. So it comes on

674
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: a lot faster than it may have in the past,

675
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: but you also have to stay from a management perspective

676
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: equally as on.

677
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Top of it as quick as it comes on you.

678
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I played a couple courses last year, the Loop

679
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: and then Sand Valley first year, and you know, the

680
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: heats are really firm, and like, yeah, I love the

681
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: firm I mean I kind of like it. I kind

682
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: of like playing new courses because it brings a whole

683
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: new element to the game. But I played them both

684
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: this year and like I thought they were so they

685
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: were so close to perc where like you really, you know,

686
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: like long iron's really run out and it's it's amazing

687
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: how much of a difference that makes, like the overall

688
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: strategy of a golf course, and it's a you see

689
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: it on the tour. I mean, like if a course

690
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: isn't firm and fast, it doesn't matter what course it is,

691
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: it's going to get lit up by these guys. And

692
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: and then like you know, they you saw, like I

693
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: think TPC Potomac, they they're they're superintendent did a great

694
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: job this year. But it was so firm and fast

695
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: and the scores were right around par, And I mean

696
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: it makes a big difference. And then I think firm

697
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: and fast conditions are are something that almost levels that

698
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: skill difference between the the low handicappers and the high

699
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: handicappers because for seniors they get the ball gets run

700
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: it and the course isn't as long. But then for

701
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the for the more skilled player, it I mean it

702
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: heightens how precise you have to be. You know, the

703
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: ball just doesn't stick no matter how you hit it.

704
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: That's right.

705
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's cool. How do how do you

706
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: go about managing three courses? You? I mean, not many

707
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: superintendents have as big of an operation as you. You know,

708
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: what's the difference between being you know, superintendent at you know,

709
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Billy Bob Country Club and uh, you know, having a

710
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: team and having to manage three Like how much time

711
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: do you spend across them?

712
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you said it starts with the team.

713
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: Really, you know, you've got to have a team of individuals,

714
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: both both at the top level of your management in

715
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: terms of your course superintendents and your assistance and then

716
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: all the way down to your seasonal guys. But you

717
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: have to build a very well qualified, eager, kind of

718
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: hungry team that likes high energy and a lot of action, right,

719
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: and three courses there's just always something happened, and you're

720
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: always you know, you might be on this course, but

721
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: there might be something happening over there and one of

722
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: the others, and you just have to be you have

723
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: to be ready for a fast paced kind of environment.

724
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: And and then you've got to be communicative.

725
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean, we place a real big premium.

726
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: On communication here and you know, if you look through

727
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: our shop, I have, you know, things all over the

728
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: wall that talk about, like, you know, fundamental communication and

729
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: talking as frequently as possible. And it's a major part

730
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: of our day just just to have that radio blaring

731
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: back and forth, even if you're just sending information back

732
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: and forth, in order for everybody to be engaged. And

733
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: that's what it takes to be successful at running a consistent,

734
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: large scale operation is you know, a really qualified, hungry

735
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: group of people and guys that are willing to communicate.

736
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if you come work on our team and

737
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: you sit back and you don't engage, you're going to

738
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: get passed by and you will just be out of

739
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: the game. You know, you've got to be willing to

740
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: ask the dumb question, to make the odd or irrelevant observation,

741
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. It's communication. It engages you into the talk,

742
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: we all get going and that's really the key to it.

743
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously, I mean you've got to have.

744
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: The resources and the support of the club, and you've

745
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: got to have real specific goals for what you're trying

746
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: to accomplish, and that has everything to do with the customer, right,

747
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, you and I might like

748
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: really firm, fast conditions, but the media members may like

749
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: to them that might be something different, and you've got

750
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: to have a clear picture of that to set those

751
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: goals right. But you know, here at Medina, we are

752
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: fortunate to have I'm fortunate to be the leader of

753
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: just a fantastic group of guys. Jake Mendos, our Course

754
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: three superintendent's been with me for three years or for

755
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: ten years, and he's worked on all three courses. And

756
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Dane Wilson, the Course to Superintendent. He started as an

757
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: intern here with us some seventy eight years ago and

758
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: has worked his way all the way up to Course superintendent.

759
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: He oversaw the Course to project along with me. He

760
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: also worked billing the Dope project, so he's got a

761
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: ton of experiences. He's a legacy soup. His dad was

762
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: superintendent of Valhalla for twenty three years, so he's got

763
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: his blood. It's in his blood. And Chris Funky, our

764
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: course won superintendent, also interned for me a number of

765
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: years ago, came back after he graduated and worked his

766
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: way up to running one of the golf courses and

767
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: then our assistants in our full time staff, guys that

768
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: have been in Medina for fifteen, eighteen, twenty years. I mean,

769
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: these guys, they know the deal and we count on

770
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: them heavily and they deliver, and you know, it's a

771
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: privilege for me to be a part of that group.

772
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: The internship program I mentioned briefly is a big deal

773
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: to me. We just completed our tenth season and there's

774
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: eight of us that are university trained agronomus that manage

775
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: the property and take.

776
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: Me out of it. Of the seven of the seven,

777
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: five of them.

778
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: Were interns in our program that have come back to

779
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: work their way up. I mean, I'm really proud that

780
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: they get that kind of experience as a student. They

781
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: see a place where they can grow and and and

782
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: learn a lot of stuff and obviously work at a

783
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: great place. They come back, they work hard, and then

784
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: we've had guys graduate on out of our program and

785
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: various parts of the country now at top facilities. So

786
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: I place a real emphasis on developing my team. I

787
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: put I put a lot of work and effort into

788
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: making sure they get what they need and it's customed

789
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: to their goals, and ultimately that pays off benefits for

790
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: our members because everybody's on the same page.

791
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's cool because they get you give them

792
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: advice to grow and you know eventually you hope they

793
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: grow out. That's right, I mean is what every manager

794
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: should want. And it's kind of you know, DONK has

795
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: a similar internship program with Renaissance, where you know they

796
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: have the internship program. You can look and you see

797
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: all these new young architects are you know, come from

798
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: their corn Crenshaw And it's really it's it's internships. It's

799
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: cool when you can see him. You know, you've got

800
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: like a coaching treat like Coach K.

801
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you say that because we have a

802
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: lot of Coach K things on the wall. You know,

803
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: my mentor Sean Emerson a Desert Mountain, He's a he's

804
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: a fiery guy and I love working for him because

805
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: of that. But he would call himself the Bobby Knight

806
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: golf of course superintendents, and I always used to tell him,

807
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: one day, I'm going to be the.

808
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: Coach K because Coach.

809
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: K worked for Bobby Knight and both army guys.

810
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah and and and uh.

811
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: Coach K I think has a few more national championships

812
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: than Bobby Knight, So I like to rub that into Sean,

813
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: but I don't think I have more than him. But

814
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: it was always fun to to just kind of smack

815
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: talk like that.

816
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, curious, So National Championships, good segue. Yeah, you've hosted

817
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: pg A. You aren't here for that Ryder Cup and

818
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: then you'll have the BMW and two years right, so

819
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup. I mean that had to be.

820
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Once in a lifetime experience. It was unbelievable.

821
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: I was out here, yeah, walking in here on on

822
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: the course, Yeah, just parking lot.

823
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you what I mean, from the day

824
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: I was hired until the day after the Ryder Cup,

825
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: how long.

826
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: Before the Ryder Cup?

827
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: For five years?

828
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: Five years, five years, and every day for five years, Andy,

829
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: all I thought about was that week. I mean, there

830
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: wasn't a single day that I didn't come out on

831
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: this property and think about that week, you know. I

832
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: mean it was one hundred. I mean, that was the

833
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: main draw. That's what I wanted to do with a

834
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: goal of mine, to do something like that, and and uh,

835
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: I tell you it was.

836
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: It was.

837
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: It was quite a humbling.

838
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: Experience driving up the eighteenth Fairway on Sunday when we

839
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: prepped our last hole and then driving the course the

840
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: next morning was.

841
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I did, you know, it was in

842
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: just a weird place.

843
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: You know that five years of time lived lived to

844
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: try to successfully lead the team through that, and we

845
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: had accomplished it with something else.

846
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: But you were you were one of the few Americans

847
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: that had a good feeling after that Rider Cup.

848
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.

849
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: And I had so many guys from Europe and other

850
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: volunteers here, you know, wanting to console me that afternoon,

851
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: and I was like trying to act sad, but at

852
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: the same time, I mean, I was just so happy

853
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: that that Madonna was successful.

854
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was what my goal was,

855
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: and that was what I was.

856
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: Here to do, was to ensure that that golf course

857
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: in this club showed well and that our members were

858
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: proud and and that was first and foremost, and we

859
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: accomplished that.

860
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: The US opens kind of the only thing that comes

861
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: close to the spectacle of a Ryder Cup in terms

862
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: of like years of preparation was there. There had to be,

863
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, so every Ryder Cup because it was like

864
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: because of the alternating schedule, I mean for four years, right,

865
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: You're essentially like the PGA is sole focused. Yeah, I mean,

866
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: there's it's a big deal for them. So how often

867
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: would you communicate?

868
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: And you know, you know I started talking with Carrie

869
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: Egg of PGA when the Royder couples at Aalhola and

870
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: did you go down to that?

871
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: I did? I did.

872
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: I went down there, you know a number of times

873
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: to see the buildout and down during the event.

874
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: But Carrie, Carrie and his.

875
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: Team was on site literally the winter after that, walking

876
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: the site, started to lay out the design of of

877
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: the of the of the production, if you will, and

878
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: so you know, there was a lot of talk and

879
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: then and then it really heated up when the captain

880
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: was selected. So that was two years, you know, just

881
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: under two years prior to the event, and that's when

882
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: the talks got a little bit more specific. The plans

883
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: were all laid out in terms of of uh portorate, hospitality.

884
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: He lay out back of the house stage in grand stands.

885
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: You know, we had a plan that we were working

886
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: off of and in terms of inside the ropes. You know,

887
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: then we started having discussions.

888
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: Like what's the goal?

889
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what what was the goal for that ryer?

890
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Like what was like kind of how do they want

891
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: the course, like what you know, did they talk about

892
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: like what would you know be Bennett?

893
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's so so Pauli's inger at Valhalla.

894
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: He was like the first American in a long time,

895
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: American captain in a long time to.

896
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Have some influence and do some things.

897
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: So you know, they they mowed some rough short in

898
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: some landing zones and you know, cut down a tree

899
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: limb that was in the way of jab Holmes, and

900
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: you know, they did a few things where he was,

901
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, as as opposed to previous guys that hadn't

902
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: really done anything so show off to play and coach.

903
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: So Davis, you know, kind of coming off that, I mean,

904
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: and he was in tune to hey, I'm going to

905
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: have some influence.

906
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: So, you know, Carrie and Davis and I sat down

907
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: and they both were in agreement that they wanted short

908
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: rough or they thought they wanted short rouff, and they

909
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: wanted fast green.

910
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: So that's where it all started.

911
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: So that following summer, in the summer of eleven, I

912
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: said okay, and I went out and we developed a plan.

913
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: The team and I and the superintendent of course Stree

914
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: at the time was a guy by the name of

915
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: Ross Lobster who we have a long history and had

916
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: worked together, and I had brought him here to be

917
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: a part of that because you know, we had you know,

918
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: I had a ton of confidence in him, and he

919
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: was on that on that project, and he's now at

920
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: and trot at Snow Canyon in Utah. Anyway, we all

921
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: sat down and came up with this plan about how

922
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: to drape the entire golf course in intermediate hight ruff.

923
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: So we were gonna we were going to mow it down,

924
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: interced it, start using growth regulators to create density and

925
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: try to build fairways essentially at an inch and a

926
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: quarter that went completely over top of and around all

927
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: green complexes, all bunkers, and then effective tied into the

928
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: tee and we were trying to get out to the

929
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: tree line as wide as we could, and people talking

930
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: about it being like an Augusta rough type of thing,

931
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: and so.

932
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: We we did.

933
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: Davis came out that summer and I showed him over

934
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: up to it and he's like, yeah, you know, I

935
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: think this is kind of it's different, but let's go

936
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: with it. And then as we were getting closer to

937
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. He said, you know, I don't know, I'm

938
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: kind of not sure about it. And I said, well,

939
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: from our perspective, it's better to be short and have

940
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: you say, you know, two three weeks out, let's grow

941
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: it up then the other way around.

942
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the club was on board, and so that

943
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: members loved it. Probably the easiest of course three's I

944
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: ever met.

945
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it was. I mean it was you know,

946
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: you can miss a fair way and you had a

947
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: you know for a higher handicaper. It was a great lie.

948
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so we worked hard at that and

949
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: got that all cut in and we started just the

950
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: Greens had just been built in twentyd and nine to ten,

951
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: and so they were maturing, like we were talking about,

952
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: and we were running a lot of playthroughom we had

953
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: a lot of rain and heat and and you know,

954
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 3: so it was it was struggle. We struggled to get

955
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: them to kind of knit in and solidify. But you know,

956
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: they got better as time went on, and ultimately they

957
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: got there and they're they're structurally, they're they're fantastic, and

958
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: they're they've never blinked. But it was a longer road

959
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: for those Greens to get there. But by the time

960
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: we got to to H twelve, which was there effectively

961
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: their second full year, they were steady and we were

962
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: able to get those green speeds up, so uh, you know,

963
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: as got got you know, within you know, a few

964
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: weeks of the event, Davis and Steve Stricker and I

965
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: went out and we we picked five whole locations on

966
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: all the greens and we didn't say, hey, Friday a m,

967
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: Saturday PM, Sunday on that.

968
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: We just Davis wanted too easy, too hard and you know,

969
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: one in the middle kind of thing. So he had

970
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: like a right and we ended those over to Carrie

971
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: Hag who in the end is you know, the final

972
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: decision maker on all that, and he edited a few

973
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: of them right off the bat, like, you guys are nuts,

974
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: way too hard not doing this, and it was his call,

975
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: and he ultimately.

976
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: So way too hard in the sense of like they

977
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: wanted you know, excitement, Yeah, they.

978
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Want excitement, and they were a little too close to slopes.

979
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: And you know, just you know, you know, he made

980
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: a comment like you guys are trying to get me fired,

981
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: but these are what you know, and we just laughed.

982
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: But you know, in the end, those decisions were carries,

983
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: and you know, he, like I said, he used the

984
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: ones that he wanted to use. And people talk about

985
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: Sunday seventeen on Sunday, and you know, being on the road,

986
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: it was on the rights right, yeah, back right, and

987
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: and you know, like why Davis put the pin there?

988
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: And first of all, I don't know if Davis and

989
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: Carrie had a conversation said do that or not.

990
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they did that wasn't you know, I

991
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: was executing the management of the of the grounds by

992
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: that point.

993
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in whole location.

994
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: It's amazing how everybody looks at that pin when you

995
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: could there's a bunch of others, Like no one would

996
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 2: ever pick out the fourth whole pen, like it could

997
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: have been the worst one of all of them for

998
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: like the team. But no one ever would zoom in

999
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: on the fourthol because it's the fourth all. Everybody might

1000
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: have lost the fourth all I know. But because they

1001
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: have said that end, somebody zooms in on the seventeen.

1002
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you, you know, I mean, historically the

1003
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: United States had been weakest in the first two days

1004
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: of the event, the fourth Wall and the foursomes, and

1005
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: Davis created a strategy and we had a golf course

1006
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: set up that he handed the team a four point

1007
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: lead going into their strongest event. Yeah, and then they

1008
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: just got beat. So whole locations are not you know,

1009
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: they got out played that day.

1010
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were just you were about to pop

1011
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: up in the champagne. Yeah, I was, yeah, Yeah, what'd

1012
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 2: you do like the night after you're done?

1013
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: Tet like, oh oh that, you know what, I'll never

1014
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: forget that, because you know what a family goes through,

1015
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: you know, if you're married. My young daughters at the time,

1016
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean, what they went through to support Meetia. To

1017
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: be able to do that was a lot and they

1018
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: gave up a ton of time and a lot of

1019
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: things in life for me to be so dedicated, and uh,

1020
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, I was fortunate to spend that night with

1021
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: them and and uh we you know, after we had

1022
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: a little pizza party down here and volunteers and people

1023
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: were leaving and all that kind of thing. But you know,

1024
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: the four of us just got in the cart and

1025
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: we went up to the clubhouse and we walked through,

1026
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: We went in the team room, we talked to all

1027
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: the players, and went into the press tent and my

1028
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: girls got a picture with Rory McElroy and I got

1029
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: a picture with Osey Maria holding the Ryder Cup, And

1030
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: you know, I talked to Davis too. He was, you know,

1031
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: he was he was bummed out. It was obviously a

1032
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: totally different.

1033
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: Deal over there. But we spent our evening just kind

1034
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: of around town.

1035
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they were they were partied up that you're

1036
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: a party up there till one or two in the morning,

1037
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: and we were up there just kind.

1038
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: Of walking around being a part of it all.

1039
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: And the next morning, I mean literally the next morning

1040
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: is seven m Ryan Schneider was here, Wadsworth was here,

1041
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 3: We had equipment stage. The next morning we took about

1042
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: seventy trees out and Brian and Eric Iverson had bulldozed

1043
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: two greens and already rough shaped him out by the

1044
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: end of the day on Monday, So I mean we

1045
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: really we had no time to.

1046
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: Think too much. Yeah, we were onto the next thing,

1047
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, and fortunate to be able to do that.

1048
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: Were there any players that were like particularly interested, like

1049
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: ask you more questions than other one?

1050
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason Dufter, he was, he was, he was great. Well,

1051
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: a number of them came out early with Davis and

1052
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: played a practice round and that was really cool for me.

1053
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: Davis asked me to come along and just ride with them,

1054
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: and so I would.

1055
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: I would go out into the landing zone and see

1056
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: how far they were hitting, you know, just making sure

1057
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: everything was good out there, you know, get up to

1058
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: the green watch him hit in and I I went

1059
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: all eighteen holes with him. We talked green speeds, different things,

1060
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 3: and that was a lot of fun. But Jason Duffner

1061
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: wanted to know about heights of cut. And I mean

1062
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: he's converting fractions and decimals just off the top of

1063
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: his head and being right, you know, which you know,

1064
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: I need a calculator for that, you know, So I

1065
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: mean he was he.

1066
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: Was he really Uh you wouldn't You wouldn't expect Duffner

1067
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: to be that calculating and that I feel like it

1068
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 2: would be like a go with the flow guy.

1069
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: He had all kinds of questions and it was interesting,

1070
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: and uh, I wonder.

1071
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: If he asked that for everybody every event.

1072
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know he you know, he

1073
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: didn't say much. He just asked a question, we told

1074
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: the answer, he asked another one.

1075
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: But you know, it was uh, yeah, it was it

1076
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: was really interesting, and I mean all all the guys

1077
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: on both teams were were just fantastic to our team

1078
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: and and really gave us, you know, real big nods

1079
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: and support and recognition through that event, which you know

1080
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: they certainly didn't to do by any means, and we

1081
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: feel real fortunate blessed that they did. So, you know,

1082
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: it was just kind of a solidification of a job

1083
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 3: well done to have the players say good things.

1084
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think they would want

1085
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: to do different with the course set up if they

1086
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: could do it all over again.

1087
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: Man, it's a good question, you know, I'd have to

1088
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: ask them because they.

1089
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: Were loving it obviously, and then all of a sudden

1090
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: it just like flipped on.

1091
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: I think that was just a golf thing you could

1092
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 2: set to stack everything in your favor and the other

1093
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: team can win, you know sports.

1094
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they liked the fact that they could

1095
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: hit it, They could hit it, use their length and

1096
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: hit it a long way and not get themselves in

1097
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: too much trouble.

1098
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: So, I mean they saw the same thing at Hazel

1099
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: team with like you know that that place had like

1100
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: no rough middle pins.

1101
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: It was great.

1102
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: When Justin Rose was complaining about right, like too easy, Yeah, exactly,

1103
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: but I can understand that. How's so you got PGA

1104
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: here like or not pg BMW Yeah yeah, kind of

1105
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: got to be starting to get ready for that now.

1106
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: We are were you know, it really kicked in when

1107
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: we went and spent some time with Connor Healy and

1108
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: the team up at.

1109
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: Conway Farms and.

1110
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: There Connor is a great guy. He ran up fantastic

1111
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: got place. It's just immaculate. His tournament uh execution was

1112
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: was superb, and so I was really fortunate he's and

1113
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: he went out of his way to to He and

1114
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: Paul Paul Vermulan from the PGA Tour went out of

1115
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: their way to make the place successful to me and

1116
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: make you know, give me insight into whatever it is

1117
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: that that I needed to see and that I was

1118
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: interested in seeing.

1119
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: So but but to your point, it just.

1120
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: Got got the juices flowing a little bit, you know,

1121
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: tournament mode back. And it's nice to really nice to

1122
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: be there with the grand stands up and feel that

1123
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: atmosphere and I look forward to it. And for the

1124
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: guys that are on our team now that weren't here

1125
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: to run the Ryder Cup, I really look forward to

1126
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 3: going through an event with them, because that's you know,

1127
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: the whole journey, the lead up to it is really

1128
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: you know, working together to get there is really what

1129
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: it's all about. And then you know those those four

1130
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: days of the event are really special too, but.

1131
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: They go by like this. Yeah, it's like a wedding.

1132
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to compare that.

1133
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, so, you know, your your.

1134
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: Head spinning, you after, you like, hey I talked that guy,

1135
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: did do this? You know, you can't remember, But that's

1136
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: that's kind of what it's like. But in the end,

1137
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: if you're prepared, it all works out.

1138
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know if I was prepared for

1139
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: my wedding that worked out, right, That's right. That's it's

1140
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: it's interesting. It's a it'll be it'll be a little

1141
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: bit different of a of a setup. It'll be a

1142
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: little a little tougher. But the great thing about number three,

1143
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 2: there's so much space for infrastructure, right that was there's

1144
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: no you can put at randstand and it's not a

1145
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: bad right And I mean, like eighteen at a count

1146
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: kept banked it off the back.

1147
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding.

1148
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: But the one nice thing is it's up how close

1149
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: do they do you try and push those grand stands up,

1150
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: you know, because you want the fans as close as

1151
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: you can, but right, you don't want to affect the

1152
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: integrity of the tournament.

1153
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1154
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: You know what was interesting is is uh Kerry said

1155
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: something to me when we were doing the Ryder couples

1156
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: that you know, he wanted wide ropes and wide porters

1157
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: because the further he could spread it out, the more

1158
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: people could see. Yeah, as opposed to pulling it tight,

1159
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: you know with those sized crowds.

1160
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that and so few golfers.

1161
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: So few golfers exactly. And so you know, I have

1162
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: yet to see the layout from the Western Golf Association

1163
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: and the folks at the PGA Tour with regards to

1164
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: what we're going to do.

1165
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Looking at what they did at Conway,

1166
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: they had it. They had it. Really.

1167
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: Our number eighteen doesn't lend itself because of the elevated

1168
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: green to get too close like they did there. We

1169
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: got we gotta be a little further back. Seventeen has

1170
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: a natural amphitheater. Anyway, I think that, you know, for

1171
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup, we use that.

1172
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: Hope, I hope they do that. Again, but you know,

1173
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: we'll see what they come up with.

1174
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: I know that for the Ryder Cup, we built forty

1175
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: three acres of stuff, so back in the house, front

1176
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: of the house, forty three acres.

1177
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: Was all part of that infrastructure.

1178
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: And I think the estimate for the BMW is going

1179
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: to be somewhere in the neighborhood of fifteen. So it's

1180
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: about really one third the size of what the Ryder

1181
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: Cup was.

1182
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: Any like weird little thing go wrong during the Ryder Cup,

1183
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: we like, like, did you have any like many disasters

1184
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: that no one would know about, you know, like like

1185
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: like some machine broker.

1186
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: So every superintendent's worst nightmare was about ten days before

1187
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: the event, we had a hydraulic league right up the

1188
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: center of three fair on a fairway.

1189
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 3: Unit, and we were like, we all just kind of

1190
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: standing there, I mean, because we had taken every precaution

1191
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: to not have that happen, and it happened, and.

1192
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: There was and so I'm thinking, you know, what are

1193
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: we going to do about this?

1194
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: So we've got you know, basically poe event fairways out there,

1195
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, predominantly bent, but there's enough poe in them

1196
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: that they're not pure bent. So siding it with bent

1197
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 3: would have been a sore thumb.

1198
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, you would have seen it. So we thought

1199
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: about it.

1200
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: And the guy that worked for us, his name sal Garcia,

1201
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: and he's just a master craftsman, and we've been working

1202
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: together for twenty some years. He's gone with me from

1203
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: site to site. But we went to the forward te

1204
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: on number four that had a very similar turf stand,

1205
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 3: stripped it completely, patched that hydraulically.

1206
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: Right up the gut, and then sided that tea over

1207
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: with bent.

1208
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: They weren't going to use it for the event, and

1209
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: nobody looks at the four D T and so he

1210
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: put it in there and he threaded it in there

1211
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 3: like like as good as you could possibly do it. No,

1212
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, we could see it, but

1213
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: I didn't know if anybody else was going to see it.

1214
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: And so about four days later, so I'm standing on

1215
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: the third green and here comes a golf cart just

1216
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: running right down the fairway and he's literally driving driving

1217
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: this hydroc league line and it's Paul Aisinger and he's

1218
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: scouting the golf course for TV coverage and he pulls

1219
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: right up to me and and I had met him

1220
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: once before and he says hello, and he's like.

1221
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Man, the golf course is fantastic, It's immaculate. Congratulations blah

1222
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I'm thinking they're never going to see it.

1223
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: They're never going to know. Nobody's gonna know, and nobody did,

1224
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: you know? So that was that was you know, yeah,

1225
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: that was enough last minute to get your heart in

1226
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: your throat.

1227
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: But my wedding day, I cut my next shaving. You did,

1228
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: and uh, just a tiny one. I never cut myself

1229
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: shaving ever in my life before that moment, and uh yeah,

1230
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: I didn't have that whatever that kit thing is because

1231
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 2: I've never cut myself shaving. And I had a white

1232
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: shirt and it like some of it got on the

1233
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: collar because it like started bleeding again. I mean I

1234
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: freaked out, but like I was in there with like

1235
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: a toothbrush, like you know, but eventually it came out.

1236
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: Nobody noticed. I mean, you can't even see him in

1237
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: the photos.

1238
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: Good.

1239
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the same kind of same thing, sure,

1240
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: just things that go wrong. So if you were going

1241
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: to make one changed, I mean, you got two relatively

1242
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: new golf courses and three what would you make one

1243
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: if you could make one change? Out here. You know,

1244
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 2: you're putting on your You're the bizarre of Medina. All

1245
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: the members answer to you. I see, what would you

1246
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: do from a golf course perspective?

1247
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: You know there there I would, I would make some

1248
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: adjustments to some of the bunkering on course three and

1249
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: and we're gonna we're gonna replace the sand and we're

1250
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: gonna do with some slight regrading just from sand build

1251
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: up prior to the BMW. But there were some bunkers

1252
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: that that were built when the course was heavily treated.

1253
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: And we've taken fourteen hundred trees off that golf course,

1254
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 3: and since we've been here and and now you have

1255
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: some bunker complexes that they still work. You know, for

1256
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: all intentsive purposes, they're fine. But just because I know

1257
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: that there used to be a support wall of trees

1258
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 3: that that defined that shaping uh parameters, I think that

1259
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 3: with with those gone, I would I would soften those

1260
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: and shift those a little bit to.

1261
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: Be respectful, uh, you know, just to shift them out.

1262
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 3: I I'd blend. I'd blend the tie ins out. You know,

1263
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: you've got some real steep toads of toads of slope

1264
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: on the backsides. I'd fade those, and I'd push the

1265
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 3: bunkers in play a little bit more, you know, bring

1266
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 3: the fairway a little bit more into them. Just from

1267
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: the experience that that I've been fortunate to have watching

1268
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 3: Tom and Brian Eric do that stuff and then and

1269
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: then get to really direct a lot of it on

1270
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 3: two and so forth. You know, I have the confidence

1271
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: now to think I can improve them. That might be

1272
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: might be bad, but those would be That's.

1273
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Probably what I would do.

1274
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: Confidence at half the battle.

1275
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you're right.

1276
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: It's just like golf. It's right, you're not confident, you're

1277
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: not a good shot.

1278
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: True, very true.

1279
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: You're not confident you're probably bad bad bunker.

1280
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.

1281
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: You're right.

1282
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 1: There's a couple of them out there that I would

1283
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 1: love to get the green light on them.

1284
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it seems like everybody loves the mowing lines

1285
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: right into bunkers.

1286
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1287
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: Is there any thought of ever trying to get some

1288
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: of that on three man?

1289
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, I would love to see that. I think that, Uh,

1290
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: if you if you embarked on that, however, you have

1291
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: to change it. You got to do it everywhere. The

1292
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: problem is is if you did that.

1293
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: And what I mean, I don't mean every single hole,

1294
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: but what I mean is every every hole would have

1295
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: to be evaluated and every bunker would have to be

1296
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: shifted to make it work. Because right now they're they're

1297
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: they're they're they're shaped and built into the fairway in

1298
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: ways that wouldn't lend itself to make it look natural.

1299
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we'd have to shift a big project.

1300
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: It'd be a big project.

1301
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: It'd be there'd be bulldozers, Mini x's and you know,

1302
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 3: some some grading would definitely need to happen, but it'd

1303
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: be good. I think that course would would would tough

1304
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: enough that way. You know, it's an interest. It's just

1305
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 3: a it's an interesting golf course. It's so long, it's

1306
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: so penal. If you get offline, you.

1307
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: Don't drive it well, you toast.

1308
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like going fifteen rounds with a heavy way,

1309
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, for you know, thirteen fourteen handicapper like myself.

1310
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like man breaking ninety is like I'm buying the beers,

1311
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Because it's just a long day,

1312
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: and you.

1313
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: Know, I hadn't played it in a while, and I

1314
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: played it after my honeymoon so I hadn't touched the club.

1315
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: It was the first round out after my honey, I

1316
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: think I hadn't touched a club in like sixteen days.

1317
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 2: And like I started out okay, I hit pretty good,

1318
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: but that like kind of lost my tempo and like

1319
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: it was like for like five holes like I just

1320
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: got I got like was getting bludgeoned over the.

1321
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: Head, right exactly.

1322
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: It's like I mean it it is like you can't

1323
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: you can't fake it out there, and that's why it's

1324
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: a championship of course. Like nobody can slap it around

1325
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: and shoot a good score on that golf course, but

1326
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: it could. I mean, the land is unbelievable over there,

1327
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 2: and the oaks are so beautiful because they got so

1328
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: many big oaks, right, you can see them more now, Yeah.

1329
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the topography gets really really good

1330
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: on holes like twelve. I mean you know what I

1331
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: mean is that the power four that goes, Yeah, that's

1332
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: sweeping side fairway.

1333
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: I mean you know that's you hear about Augusta people

1334
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: have never been, and then you go and you're like, wow,

1335
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: they're right. You can't appreciate the topography unless you're there.

1336
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: Twelve has that kind of size.

1337
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: What was that green before the changes like.

1338
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: It was pretty much well, it was about two thirds

1339
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: of size. It was pretty much back to front. It

1340
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: was a little this way with a.

1341
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: Little bit towards towards the lake. But the approach, the

1342
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 3: whole right side of the green was all rough. So

1343
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 3: we and it was and it had a little hump

1344
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 3: in it. So we cut that hump out, smoothed it out,

1345
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: brought that fairway around the side, and then put some

1346
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 3: some movement into it.

1347
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: And it's got this really right now.

1348
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: It's got this really nice sweale that runs off the

1349
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 3: back that visually looks like, you know, disaster, but knowing,

1350
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: knowing how it plays the mist, there is actually that

1351
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: pins back there.

1352
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: It's long because it'll stay up. It will run through

1353
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: that and stay.

1354
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: Disaster on the front part of the green. That putt

1355
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: is brutal going up, Yeah it is. I had it

1356
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: the last time I played it. I thought I hit

1357
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: a really good shot and it grabbed and came back

1358
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: down that ridge and it's not a good spot to

1359
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: be yeah at all. That's a it's a beautiful golf

1360
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: a yeah.

1361
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: And and from there it continues to get interesting with

1362
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: fourteen's you know, got this rolling, rolling shoot through those trees,

1363
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: and then sixteen, which is such a fantastic golfl.

1364
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: Now it's got the length back, it's it's for the

1365
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: top level players. It's really fantastic.

1366
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: How do you know? I imagine and I saw the

1367
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: members just end up in that bottom part so much

1368
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: like that's got to be just a huge traffic area

1369
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: for you. If it is, how do you and you

1370
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: guys get so many rounds to three? I mean it's booked, right,

1371
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: How do you manage areas like that? Like? Do you

1372
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: have a strategy towards them? Yeah?

1373
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 3: So from a from a purely maintenance standpoint, what we

1374
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 3: do is, rather than painting ground under repair with white paint,

1375
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: we tack rope down on the ground and circle it

1376
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: as if it were paint in a white rope, put

1377
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: a sign on their ground under repair, and we put

1378
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: drop areas off of the intermediate cut and we and

1379
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: we do that for outings on Mondays, and do it

1380
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: for like most heavy active guest play days Monday through Thursday.

1381
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 3: And then when we start to gravitate more to our

1382
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 3: member play on Friday afternoon, Saturday and Sunday, we pull

1383
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: it and that that that way most people that land

1384
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: down in there, you know, and a lot of guys

1385
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: that are here just playing, unless they're an early great golfer,

1386
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 3: are are going to choose to take it, put it

1387
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 3: on a fluffier.

1388
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: Lie to hit that that pitch back up that hill,

1389
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: and it saves on dibbots. So that's how we do it.

1390
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: From a maintenance standpoint, we've looked and we've tried to

1391
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: put a little bit of movement in there to move

1392
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: balls away.

1393
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 2: And the water probably sits down there a little bit

1394
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: more too, which is when.

1395
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: We did the Greens project.

1396
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: What we did to firm that bottom up was we

1397
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: excavated that that entire bottom area out six inches, capped

1398
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: it with sand, and put some surface drainage in it

1399
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: so it.

1400
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: Stays a little firmer.

1401
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: But we looked at closing the fairway off and making

1402
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: it rough, and this was all, yeah, these are all

1403
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 3: ideas pitched at Reese, you know, putting a bunker right

1404
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: in there, and and Reese just held firm like, hey, Curtis,

1405
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: you got to come up with a way to build

1406
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 3: these divots and get them to grow, because I don't

1407
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 3: want to change it. And I'm glad that was his

1408
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 3: position because I think that the holes better that way.

1409
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: And watch the balls roll back down to your feet

1410
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: that way. That's right, So golf, Yeah, I can't get

1411
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: rid of that.

1412
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

1413
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 2: It's all right. We do this overrated underrated segment.

1414
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you got pick.

1415
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go from the way MEDYNA members perceive

1416
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: the course, okay, and we're going to go through each

1417
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: of the courses overrated under eight and you have to pick.

1418
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: So course number one the.

1419
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: Way from the perspective of the MEDYNA members the greater.

1420
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the average mind of MEDYNA member underrated. Yeah, I

1421
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: heard it. People don't understand those greens.

1422
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you hear some of that. These days.

1423
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's still busy, they're still playing it. We

1424
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: got plenty of guest rounds. But you know, there's there's

1425
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 3: a few greens out there that I think we're we're

1426
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: I think are personally, I think are great, but they

1427
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: challenge people and they're not.

1428
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: That design is unique.

1429
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 3: It fits the lay of the land, it fits the sight,

1430
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: but it's different, and I think that's what is the

1431
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 3: hardest thing for them to ax up.

1432
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: Is that. Yeah, it's amazing how yeah, changes in just

1433
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: any sure aspect of society is like frightening for people.

1434
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: And you know, this is a tough This is a

1435
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 3: tough segment for me because you know, having built all

1436
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: these three, they're like my you know, you know what

1437
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you know, I feel like I a

1438
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: part of me is you know, they're like my kids

1439
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, you know. So I mean

1440
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: it's picking one kid over the other.

1441
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: I had time out. I think he said, you might

1442
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: have said overrated to everything I said, just because that's

1443
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: his personality.

1444
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think that that.

1445
01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: In the last twelve months, let's just say, uh, of

1446
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 3: course one has gotten some unaccurate criticism, and I think

1447
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: that it's underrated.

1448
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,560
Speaker 2: I bet if you explain some of those screens, I

1449
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: bet there's some bumps that people could play off of.

1450
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: And it's one of the things I think is people

1451
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: don't understand strategy when it's a little when it's different,

1452
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: when it's not just the center of the faariraway, center

1453
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: of the green, like you know, the three is really

1454
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: right in front of you, and that one probably has

1455
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot more subtlety and a little bit more thought

1456
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: and positioning, like if you're over on the right side

1457
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: of this fairway and the pins here, like, don't hit

1458
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: it at the pen, hit it like twenty feet left

1459
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: and I'll probably filter all the way in.

1460
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: That's right.

1461
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: It's hard for its. Yeah, once you do it once though,

1462
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: that you see that happens, Like I think there needs

1463
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: to be like a guide or something sometimes, you.

1464
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: Know, and we've got there's a lot of short grass,

1465
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 3: so you know, you've got to learn to kind of

1466
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 3: bump and run and play a tight pitch.

1467
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: And that's not typical either, you know. And so I

1468
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 1: think that you know, when Tom, when I played with

1469
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: Tom on opening day.

1470
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 3: He chipped all over that golf course with the seven

1471
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: irons all day long, hits, yeah, and very effectively, you know.

1472
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: And I was wondering, is he making a point with this?

1473
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: Is that what he's trying to like get this across

1474
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: to those of us playing with him, This is how

1475
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 3: you should do it.

1476
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, the more the more I hear

1477
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: some of the things people don't like, the more I

1478
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: think they all approach that approach it with that strategy

1479
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: a little more.

1480
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: So I was I played with him, and I was

1481
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: hitting a. I had a shot and I was short

1482
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: and he and he looked and he goes, you hit

1483
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: a loblunch here, and I go yeah, he goes, you

1484
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: don't even think. I'm like, yeah, this is this is

1485
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: what I would say ninety percent of like good amateur player,

1486
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: like tournament amateur players would hit this shot. He goes,

1487
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 2: you would never hit like an eight iron. So like

1488
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: I hit that, and I hit an eight iron and

1489
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's really easy. And like I've

1490
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: started to hit more of those shots since. Like I

1491
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 2: never even like it never even came to my mind

1492
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: to use the ground, but he uses it everywhere. Yeah,

1493
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: he hit shots like you're like, I would never think

1494
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: about hitting a seven. Irony hits it and he's like, yeah,

1495
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: you see the ground goes this way and comes back,

1496
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: so you know it's just gonna go right to it.

1497
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.

1498
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, No, he's got it down there, that's

1499
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: for sure.

1500
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's people just need to experiment more.

1501
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, So of course too, you know, that's a

1502
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: hard one to you know, it might be too soon.

1503
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: It might be too soon.

1504
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: I think you feel like there's a buzz.

1505
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: There's definitely a buzz, you know, the the the t

1506
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 3: sheet is filling up as the summer is going on

1507
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: every month to a higher level. We haven't had anybody

1508
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 3: not in saying they don't like.

1509
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: Something about it. I played it a couple of times myself.

1510
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: I love playing it's.

1511
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll have to see, you know, I

1512
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 3: mean it's it's It's really been a great compliment to

1513
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: the other two and that's what it was intended to be.

1514
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 3: And that's that makes the Dina members portfolio just I

1515
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 3: think stand apart.

1516
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: But in terms of a golf course at Court golf Course,

1517
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: we need a little more time.

1518
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: But what about that, of course, like are you most

1519
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Speaker 2: proud of since it's the most recent you know, rebuild, renovate, restoration.

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: Really well, you know I I I'm most proud of

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01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: how we were able to.

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01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: To brighten the original shaping that came out in a

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 3: way that looked like looked looked natural, that that we

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: were able to to to modernize things we're applicable, brighten

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 3: and restore things we're applicable, and make it look like

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: it's been there for a while and not not. It

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 3: doesn't look like we moved dirt to do anything and

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01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: that was the goal. And and you know, I'm really

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01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: proud of that.

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01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's cool. I love that place than you.

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01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's like more more, need more of that,

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01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: especially at Like I mean, I feel like more Chicago

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01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: courses should be like that because like I always say

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01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: this to clubs and like you're actually one of the

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: clubs that can do the like the hard golf because

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: I always say to like, you know people at clubs.

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: Is like all right, so like you're in Chicago, Like

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01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: why are you trying to be the hardest golf course

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: in Chicago? Like you're never gonna be it when you

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01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: got Madina Butler Madina three Butler in Olympia Fields, Like

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01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: you're never gonna be as hard as those three golf courses.

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: So like why are you trying to make your golf

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: course hard? Why don't you try and make your golf

1544
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 2: course like the most fun golf course in Chicago? Right,

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: And like number two is a perfect example of it

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: being like the most fun. Like it was it's you know,

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01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 2: you got drivable holes, you got short part threes, you

1548
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: got longer part threes. You hit, you hit like a

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01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: lot almost all the clubs in your bag, which is awesome,

1550
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: and and the bunkering is beautiful. I mean, like the

1551
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: way you guys have those mowing lines rolling in. It's definitely. Ah,

1552
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: it's a modern it's it's a product of like what

1553
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 2: kind of like the trends of the industry, I imagine,

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01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: you know.

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure that was what we were shooting for.

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: That's good to hear you say that. Yeah, it's cool.

1557
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: I recommend anybody that gets the chance to fight too.

1558
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: It's it's fun. Yeah, I heard a lot of buzz.

1559
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: I was I was really skeptical. I'm not the biggest

1560
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: Reese fan, Yeah, and I was. I was skeptical. But

1561
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: then I played, I saw it, I was like, wow,

1562
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: that was really good.

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01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Reese.

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01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: What Reese needs to be credited for on that project,

1565
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: for sure, among other things, is is is.

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: The fact that you know, he he let us, he

1567
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: let it happen.

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: He you know, he showed up, and and when when

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 3: we started doing stuff and and and working that stuff,

1570
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 3: the more the more different it got, the weirder it got,

1571
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 3: the the further away from what he had done before

1572
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 3: it got, the more excited he got, the more he

1573
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: encouraged it to keep going.

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01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it was fantastic. You know. I

1575
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: was I wasn't sure how he was going to embrace this,

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: this approach that was going to happen, and when we

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01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: really we had talked about it, but when we started

1578
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: doing it, I wasn't sure how much he was going

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01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: to do that. And he absolutely did. I mean he was.

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 3: He got so excited that he kept I mean, we

1581
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: had a plan in terms of his number of visits

1582
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,839
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and like he blew that budget

1583
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 3: because he just kept wanting to come back, you know,

1584
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: and he liked it so much. So I give him

1585
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 3: a ton of credit for his you know, his just his.

1586
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: Ability to see to see it differently and to put

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: it on the ground.

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 2: That's what people need to do with number one.

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01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

1590
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, embrace the change, embrace the difference.

1591
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: That's right. That's exactly right.

1592
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: All right, last one, number three?

1593
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: All right, So we talked about it being long and challenging,

1594
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: got to drive the ball straight. So I but I'm

1595
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 3: going to say underrated, and I and I'm gonna say

1596
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: it from a perspective of a DYNA member, because it's

1597
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 3: well from a DINA members perspective, it's probably it's it

1598
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 3: might be a bit overrated, just switched. I just my perspective,

1599
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: what's one thing I forgot the so so from my perspective,

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01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 3: it's underrated. I think it has a lot of from

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01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 3: the right set of tees, it has a lot of

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 3: shot values, It's got some some fantastic uh strategic elements.

1603
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: It forces you to think from the right set of

1604
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 3: tees based on your skill level. Okay, so that would

1605
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 3: apply to you from further back than it would for me.

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01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet a lot of people play the wrong

1607
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 2: tees right.

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01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 3: And and I and from a DIYNA members perspective, you know,

1609
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 3: they put you know, and it and and and in

1610
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 3: their defense, it's always been the one that that was

1611
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: the flagship.

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01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: It's got to be the hard course, Yeah, it was.

1613
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 1: It was the flagship for them. It it holds all

1614
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: the tournaments to history.

1615
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: So it's you know, from there, from their standpoint, you know,

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01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: it's they I think they overrated a bit because that

1617
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: was the one that was always the one that was

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01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: kind of carrying the torch pull.

1619
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: Pulling the rest of the of the club along. And

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01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: and now the club's much different.

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01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 3: Than it was ten years ago, and you know, maybe

1622
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 3: that perspective from there will change for them.

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think it's okay though, Like I

1624
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: wrote about Olympia Fields last year and like you know,

1625
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: going there and playing like you're playing hard golf course. Yeah,

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01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: and the hard is okay. Like if I was a member,

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01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: I play three here probably like two times out of ten,

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01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: maybe once out of ten. I you know, I don't

1629
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: need to go get my ass kicked for like five

1630
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: hours that often. But it's good to go do it

1631
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: every once in a while, right, right, right, But that's

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01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 2: the beauty of having if you like. That's why I

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: really like about about here and Olympia Fields is like

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01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 2: if you have a really good golf course and you

1635
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: have like the South course of Olympia Fields is a

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 2: lot of fun, and these two courses are a lot

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01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: of fun one and two. So it's like why you know,

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01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 2: you you don't have to play the really hard course

1639
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: every time, but like that's a you know, people people

1640
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: complain about Madina, you know, oh so long and hard.

1641
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 2: It's like, what did you expect? Major championship golf course? Right,

1642
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: there's some other like I you know, some other like

1643
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: I think like mod allions could be better. Like but

1644
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: like that's like, I mean that's just that.

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01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, right.

1646
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: But but like the complain of it's long and hard,

1647
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: it's like, well, it's a PGA Championship golf course.

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01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like the answer to that is yeah,

1649
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: you're right.

1650
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: You know what it is supposed to be exactly, it's yeah.

1651
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: So but thanks for coming on this fun.

1652
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blast.

1653
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it, and uh, love of work you're

1654
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: doing and and really appreciate your you know, bringing the

1655
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: different sides of the industry out.

1656
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: To the to the to the world of golf and

1657
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: and keep it up. Man, really appreciate it.

1658
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I get interested that I want to know

1659
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: as much as I know I can know.

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01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome, man, I appreciate it. Thank you.