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Speaker 1: Podcast playground.

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Speaker 2: I'm Buzznight, the host of Taking a Walk music history

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Speaker 2: on foot. Today, our guest is Peter Callahan. He wrote,

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Speaker 2: directs and stars in a glorious new film called Out

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Speaker 2: and about one man's long walk to find himself. Someone

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Speaker 2: actually taking more steps probably than me, on taking a walk.

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Speaker 2: Let's join Peter Callahan next on taking a walk. Well,

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Speaker 2: finally I'm meeting up with someone on taking a walk

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Speaker 2: who's probably usurped my step count for the day. Hello

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Speaker 2: Peter Callahan, welcome to taking a walk.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: How many steps have you done with your walks today?

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Speaker 1: Today? I did about probably seven thousand.

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Speaker 2: Is that about normal?

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Speaker 1: Usually I like to get more. I usually get around

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Speaker 1: nine or ten thousand in a day. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it depends on what you're doing. You know, I live

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Speaker 1: outside Manhattan, and if I go into the city, you

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Speaker 1: know that that walk count will jump just by virtue

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Speaker 1: of you know, moving from place A to B. If

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Speaker 1: it'll jump by another you know, four or five thousand steps.

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Speaker 1: But you know, good normal days about nine thousand, ten

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Speaker 1: thousand steps. How about you?

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Speaker 2: I'm about twelve thousand. Actually, I hate to be a

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Speaker 2: Braggadocio about it. Where did you get the walking in

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Speaker 2: your in your blood? Was it just something you became

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Speaker 2: accustomed to or was there a family member that really

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Speaker 2: inspired you to walk a lot?

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Speaker 1: You know, it certainly wasn't inspired by and it came

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Speaker 1: later in life. I was not always a walker, you know.

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Speaker 1: I did grow up at the top of a big hill,

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Speaker 1: and so it was forced to walk a lot, you know,

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Speaker 1: to go to school and go to you know, up

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Speaker 1: and down the hill. But I would never had any

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Speaker 1: particular interest in walking, and I think it just was

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Speaker 1: more for both psychological and physical reasons. You know, once

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Speaker 1: maybe I entered my forties or so late forties, maybe

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Speaker 1: I took it up. And so, you know, you just

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Speaker 1: feel better when you walk, you know, you feel better

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Speaker 1: physically and emotionally. So I think it's a great activity

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Speaker 1: and it's low impact. You know, you're not getting hurt.

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Speaker 2: And you live in such a beautiful part of the country,

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Speaker 2: into into New York from there, so it's easy to

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Speaker 2: walk through those beautiful neighborhoods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly the scenery makes it makes it more enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's something I didn't really appreciate growing up,

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Speaker 1: but now that I'm older, I was like, Wow, this

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Speaker 1: and notice that every day. Not always successful. I'm often

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Speaker 1: in my head thinking, but at least try.

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Speaker 2: I believe. Does the seth godin the Great Business Strategist

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Speaker 2: blogger does he live in.

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Speaker 1: Yes he does. Yeah, see him around somewhat regularly.

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Speaker 2: If you ever bumped into him walking, Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's Well, I've certainly crossed paths with him walking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess, so, I guess. So, you know, he'll he's

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Speaker 1: I'll see him in the village. I don't actually see

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Speaker 1: him up in the hills or on the the aqueduct

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Speaker 2: So what was the motivation on the film besides the

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Speaker 2: fact that you like to walk? I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: beautiful story and it's got the great characters from the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood and some great storylines. So what what motivated you

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Speaker 2: to write and direct and star in it?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was, I guess I was looking

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Speaker 1: for a movie I could make modestly, you know, when

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Speaker 1: make movies. When you're independent filmmaker, you know, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to get movies financed and and and the bigger and

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Speaker 1: but the reality is, you know, it's probably not going

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Speaker 1: feels you know, real to me and familiar. And since

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Speaker 1: I say, hey, what would it you know, how about

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Speaker 2: So when you're taking walks, your mind must constantly be racing.

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Speaker 2: If this movie is any indication of it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it definitely is. And I think all of all

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Speaker 1: of us do that. You know, we're most of our

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Speaker 1: so I was just trying to bring that experience, you know,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I show the movie to people and

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Speaker 1: pleased that it at least resonating with some segment of

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Speaker 2: Who are some of your inspirations that we can feel

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Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I like movies that mix humor

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest influences on my work are really

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Speaker 1: the American filmmakers of the nineteen seventies, that sort of

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Speaker 1: and one Full of the Kucha's Nest Doggy Afternoon. They're

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Speaker 1: kind of real to life stories that I really gravitated

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Speaker 1: towards growing up and enjoy still very much. In terms

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Speaker 1: of this particular movie, I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 1: the movie the old movie The Swimmer starting Burt Lancaster.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty similar in some ways in reason its structure

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Speaker 2: And I know you're a fan of music, because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of music references that are going through your head.

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Speaker 2: It's a death trap. It's a suicide rap, right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll hear a phrase and it'll, you know, make

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Speaker 1: you think of a song, you know, So that's what

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see that you do that, you

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Speaker 2: The other one was the reference to good vibrations in there, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think, yeah, when you are walking and

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yep, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So when you visited in the movie Jeff Fisher visits

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean many many times. I've walked by

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Speaker 1: And you know it's hard to avoid when you live

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Speaker 2: What does that feel like? I mean, when that happens,

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Speaker 2: does it give you an inner sense of satisfaction or regret?

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Speaker 2: When you do it?

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Speaker 2: Now, do is Jeff Fisher the type of guy that

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Speaker 2: But yes, And and does does he does he rekindle

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Speaker 2: Yes, because yeah, everyone is sort of, uh looked at

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Speaker 2: their life from that lens. And that's what's so beautiful

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've heard that before and it's nice

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Speaker 1: to hear that. I didn't think her much about it

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Speaker 2: And I think Jeff is very confident in his observations

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not every time, though, because I think sometimes

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Speaker 2: the confidence maybe eludes Jeff when he runs into the ladies.

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Speaker 2: Who else has influenced you about walking in terms of

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Speaker 2: the therapeutic nature of it?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I certainly there's there's you know, almost

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Speaker 1: just movement in general, but walking in particular. So I

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Speaker 1: that walking is good for you. You're never going to hear

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Speaker 1: don't you don't want to be walking? So I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, just a general societal influence, whether as opposed

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Speaker 1: to any sort of famous walker or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is somebody I could tell you that influenced me,

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Speaker 2: especially with this podcast. I think you've probably heard of him,

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Speaker 2: the late Vietnamese monk Teak not Han. Have you heard

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Speaker 2: of him?

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but not not really. That's somewhere in the back

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Speaker 1: of my mind something about that. But no, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have to say basically.

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Speaker 2: No, I'll recommend that to you for sure. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I'll send it to you because I think it it

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Speaker 2: points out that every step we take in our walk,

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Speaker 2: you know, we certainly should exude a sense of you know,

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Speaker 2: gratitude where we're where we're walking, you know, taking in

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Speaker 2: you know, the beautiful site, you know, the conversations. So

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Speaker 2: I think I think there is something to that that

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Speaker 2: you know, that great, but it's also a problem solving

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Speaker 2: mode to walking, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, sometimes I'll listen to podcasts or music,

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Speaker 1: I want to be you know, to think things through.

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Speaker 2: Now, who who did the scoring the music scoring for

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Speaker 1: That's a composer, Geano Monzelli, who was recommended by the

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Speaker 2: And what's some of the other music that goes through

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Speaker 1: You know, I really kind of night nineteen sixties and

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Speaker 1: I do like walking in New York. I find that

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Speaker 2: So how can folks find the movie Out and About?

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Speaker 1: So Out and About will be available for streaming on

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Speaker 1: you know, various platforms on May sixteenth. I believe it'll

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Speaker 1: know people typically find movies to watch, and they can

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Speaker 1: always follow our website Out and About movie dot com

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Speaker 1: or any information. And we're on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: But so May sixteenth, check look forward on Amazon or

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on it, Peter Callahan, and thanks for letting

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Speaker 2: in the movie Out and About.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Buzz. It was fun to be here

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Speaker 1: and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Peter. Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts