1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tuesday edition of Bloomberg Sound On. I'm 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: Joe Matthew in Washington, where there are a couple of 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: us left. Sixty one senators showed up for votes last night, 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: seventeen of them Republicans. We're done here appears to be 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: the signal. John Thune, talking with Bloomberg not gonna happen, 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: he says about a deal potentially on the border that 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: kept everybody here over time. The quote he gave to 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: CNN no way on a Ukraine border deal, even a 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: cloture vote apparently happening this week. The Democrat at the 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 2: negotiating table, Chris Murphy, still somewhat optimistic, bringing us up 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: to date on this seemingly endless saga. 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: I know it's maddening to hear us say we continue 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: to make progress without a product. That is in part 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: because of how difficult this set of law is, and 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: even when you have an agreement in principle, writing it 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: and coming to an agreement on the writing is hard. 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: There is that matter of writing the legislation, but we 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: can't even get to a deal. And Mitch McConnell says, 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's going to take a while to read 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: this thing when you guys get done. So we're looking 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: at next year. 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 4: Here's the Minority leader, Republicans will not make up or 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: others showing up late to the table, a boy waiving 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: our responsibility to careful and negotiate and review any agreement 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: before voting on it. 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: With the headline on the terminal Senate Republican shut door 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: on quick Ukraine aid border deal. And that's where we 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: begin our conversation with Congressman Ami Bera, the Democrat from 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: California six back with us here on Bloomberg's sound on in. Congressman, 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: it's good to see you. I'm glad you're with us. 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: I wonder from what you're hearing as a member of 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: the House through the grapevine, this is all over right. 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: There's no eleventh hour Christmas miracle kind of a deal 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: that's going to emerge this week on the border. 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 5: You know, Joe, thanks for having me on. I think 40 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 5: it's unlikely that there's anything before. 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 6: The end of the year. 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 5: But you know, we just heard Senator Murphy from Connecticut 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 5: you talk about it. I do think there is progress, 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 5: and I think we're we should have a deal that 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 5: first week of January that when we get. 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: Back well, that's my gosh, very optimistic, knowing that Congressman 47 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: has not just been this battle. This has been a 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: debate for the better part of thirty years on Capitol Hill, 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: and it's been walked up to the line more than once, 50 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: and it never became law. What is different this time 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: is that the urgency behind Ukraine that brings Democrats to 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: the table in a way that did not before. 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's the urgency to continue to support 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 5: our friends in Ukraine and their battle against Vladimir Putin. 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: I think certainly the Israeli support is important as well. 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 5: In addition, I think it's important for us to get 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 5: humanitarian aid to Gaza in the Middle East and certainly 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 5: to Ukraine. But the crisis on the border is very real, 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: and I think, you know, many Democrats understand that we 60 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: have to do something to strengthen our border security. You 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 5: get through the backlog and asylent cases, et cetera. And 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 5: I think the one big difference is, you know, the 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 5: President and his team is at the negotiating table right now, 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 5: and I think that's going to be helpful. 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: Do you have a sense not being in the room. 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: I realize John Thune's not in the room either, But 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: to the extent that you're hearing about this what the 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: sticking points are because you do have a Democrat in 69 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: Chris Murphy at the table. Kirsten Cinema now an independent 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: former Democrat, though good at making deals, is at that table, 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: and James Langford appears to be a credible negotiator. With 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: the White House now involved, Where does this come down to? 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: Is it defining asylum law or is it more granular? 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 6: You know, I think it's a little bit of everything. 75 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 5: So on the House side, I hear my Republican colleagues 76 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 5: really saying you've got to take HR two, which is 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 5: that our House immigration build. That would be a non 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 5: starter for most Democrats, if not all Democrats, But there 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 5: are elements in an HR tw that you probably could take. 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 5: That'll mean you'll lose some of the Freedom Caucus folks, 81 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 5: some of the far right on our side, you know, 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 5: we will have to make some changes to the asylum 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: laws and so forth. That'll, you know, lose some of 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 5: our most progressive members, perhaps some of the members in 85 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 5: the CHC the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, which requires moderate Democrats 86 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 5: and Republicans to come together and put a deal together. 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 5: And I think that's where the sticking point is. I 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 5: think it is helpful that the President is kind of 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: laying out how he sees the border, and I think 90 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 5: he recognizes that it is a real issue. And you're 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 5: seeing big city mayors who are also grappling with a 92 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 5: lot of these asylum seekers who are going to Chicago, 93 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: New York, et cetera. We've even had some come here 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: to Sacramento, and you know, trying to figure out, Okay, 95 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 5: how do we manage this. 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: Well, this all, of course means a longer wait for 97 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: Israel and Ukraine, for that matter, Taiwan the supplemental funding 98 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: request that would be tied to a border deal. Congressman, 99 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: you're hearing a lot more than most As a member 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: of the Foreign Affairs Committee, as I mentioned the Intelligence committees, 101 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: how worried are you about Ukraine as we go into 102 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: this new year, not knowing when funding will resume. 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 5: You know, I think it weekends our standing in the 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: world that we didn't get the Supplemental done. That said, 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 5: the fact that we did get the Defense Authorization Bill 106 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 5: out of the House and Senate and the President should 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 5: sign it this week. That does have funding both for Ukraine, 108 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: you know, there's ways to continue to support Israel. It 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: also does have funding for Taiwan and a pretty large 110 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 5: amount in there to help make sure our friends in 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 5: Taiwan can continue to defend themselves. That said, we don't 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 5: have a lot of time, and you know, I hope 113 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: one of the first things that we do when we 114 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 5: get back in January is take up the Supplemental Bill 115 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 5: with Ukraine funding, with Israel funding, what's your panetarium aid, 116 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 5: with Indo Pacific funding, and with border security and get 117 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 5: that done. So I'm confident that folks in the Senate 118 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 5: are going to continue working through the holiday. We're ready 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 5: to weigh in on the House side as we need to, 120 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: and then hopefully as soon as we get back, we 121 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 5: have that ready to go. 122 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: Spending time with Congressman Ami Berra here on Bloomberg's sound On, 123 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: I have to ask you about the hot war underway 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: between Israel and Hamas at the same time realizing this 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: is less of a money issue or a funding issue, 126 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: and it's become a very very divisive political issue for 127 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: Democrats for this administration supporting Israel and what some see 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: a disproportionate response to what happened on October seventh. We 129 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: talked about this a couple of months ago, Congressman, and 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: I wonder where you are now. We have a new 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: poll out today from the New York Times in Siena, 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: and it's showing problems consistent with other polls for Joe Biden, 133 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: particularly among young people eighteen to twenty nine year olds, 134 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: disapprove the way that the president is handling this conflict. 135 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: Where are you right now? 136 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, obviously the acts that take place on October 137 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 5: seventh were Hanus and what Hamas did. Israel will prosecute 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 5: a war against Hamas. But all the video imagery of 139 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: innocent civilian lives, the humanitarian crisis that's unfolding Gaza is 140 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 5: also taking a toll. And I think a lot of 141 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 5: young people are seeing these images on TikTok, on Instagram, etc. 142 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 6: And it is. 143 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 5: Making them question what we're doing in Israel. That said, 144 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 5: it is really complicated. We'll stand by our allies in Israel, 145 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: but as friends. 146 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 6: Sometimes have to do. 147 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 5: And I think you're seeing the President of Jake Sullivan 148 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 5: and others, you know, really messaging to the Israel's. 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 6: That it's time to start wrapping up this phase of 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 6: the war. 151 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: They'll continue to prosecute a campaign against the mospait, let's 152 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: do it in a more precise way using special operators, 153 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 5: et cetera. And let's shift now to saving innocent kids, 154 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 5: innocent older folks. You know, there's a humanitarian crisis unfolding. 155 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: Lack of food, lack of clean water. My staff was 156 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 5: talking to the doctors without borders. They don't have antibiotics, 157 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: and so many people are dying just of secondary infections. 158 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 5: And that's not war. That's entirely preventable. Let's save those lives. 159 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: There's an important headline I was just reading on the 160 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: terminal here the President of Israel as a Kursaw telling 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: ambassadors from around the world that they are prepared to 162 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: agree to a second pause, a second truce if it 163 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: means the return of more hostages held by Hamas. Is 164 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: that a real, realistic overture at this point, I know 165 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: the CIA director is back. Abroady is in Warsaw right 166 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: now working on a potential truce. Will that happen potentially 167 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: over the holiday here? 168 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 6: I certainly hope so. 169 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: I mean that would be important to get the hostages 170 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 5: back and then as part of that truce to get 171 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: needed food, antibiotics, medications, fuel to run the remaining hospitals 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 5: that you know, I don't think there's that much left 173 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: clean water. I mean, these are you know, folks are 174 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 5: going to die of starvation, die of diarrhea, et cetera. 175 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 5: And those are vives that we can save. And I 176 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 5: say that as a doctor again. Israel will prosecute this war. 177 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: But if we can get a humanitarian positive, we can 178 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 5: get some of the hostages back, and if we can 179 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 5: save some of these lives, that would be great. 180 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: You are a doctor, a former practicing physician, the former 181 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: chief medical officer for Sacramento County congressman. When the gates 182 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: finally open again and humanitarian aid can move in of Gaza, 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: what is it they will need most? 184 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: You know, they will need clean water immediately. Ninety six 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 5: percent of the water in Gaza, as I'm told, is undrinkable, 186 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: and just the amount of folks that are getting cholera, 187 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 5: getting creatable infectious diseases, and then starvation. I mean, you're 188 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 5: hearing really bad reports that they're running out of food 189 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: in Gaza. And again, the aid trucks are there. We 190 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: just have to open, get more crossings open, get that 191 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 5: aid in there and make sure it's getting to the 192 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 5: civilians and getting to the right folks. 193 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 6: And again, I think everyone's ready to step up. 194 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 5: We introduced a resolution last week to really encourage the 195 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 5: President to continue to push for that humanitarian aid. 196 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: In the meantime, we've got a very serious situation in 197 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: the Red Sea. As we hear the Defense Secretary announcing 198 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: this new maritime task force to protect commercial vessels, many 199 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: of which have stopped traveling through the Red Sea to 200 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: these persistent attacks from houthy militants in Yemen. To what 201 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: extent will this task force make a difference? Congressman, is 202 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: this something your committee is focused on? 203 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 6: It is, And again I. 204 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 5: Think the President, very early in this conflict, was decisive 205 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: of moving assets into the region, aircraft carriers and other 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 5: support assets to make sure this conflict didn't broaden. We've 207 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 5: talked to our friends, the Saudi foreign ministers in Washington 208 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 5: d C. Last week as well as the foreign ministers 209 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 5: from Tetter and Jordan and Turkey meeting with with Secretary Blincoln, 210 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 5: but also met with us on the House and you know, 211 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 5: along with trying to figure out how to end the 212 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: conflict in Gaza, and the day after we did discuss 213 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 5: how to continue to keep these maritime straits that that 214 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 5: are super important in terms of commerce open, how to 215 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: make sure you know, we kept Lahuci rebels out of this, 216 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 5: and you know, it is something that we're actively thinking about. 217 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: Is the US going to strike targets in Yemen? Go 218 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: to the source to stop us from happening? 219 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 6: You know, again, that might be one way to stop it. 220 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 5: Right now, I think, you know, we're protecting the ships 221 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 5: and doing what we have to do. But if this escalates, 222 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 5: I can certainly see a scenario where we have to 223 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 5: go to the source and address that at the root. 224 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: Cause it's pretty important. I wonder as you talk to 225 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: Democrats in the House, to democrats even more so in California, 226 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: and as I mentioned, younger democrats as we've seen eighteen 227 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: to thirty eighteen to thirty four depending on the poll, 228 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: who say we need to stop funding this action by Israel. 229 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: Is there a line that BB Netna who could potentially 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: cross that would cause that to happen. 231 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not a Nanyaho supporter, and yeah, I 232 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 5: think he's made some real great errors that have led 233 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 5: us to where we are today. You know, when I 234 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 5: talk to some of my Palestinian American constituents who have 235 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 5: lost relatives, friends, and you know, it's heart wrenching as well, 236 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 5: just as when I talk to some of my Israeli 237 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 5: constituents and Jewish American constituents. How I approach it is 238 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: that the Israelis need to do everything that they can 239 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 5: to minimize innocent civilian lives. 240 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 6: And I think it's a reasonable question to. 241 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 5: Ask how they're prosecuting this war and see if they 242 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 5: can do it in a more precise way. War is 243 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 5: horrible and we're seeing the horrors of war. The other 244 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 5: thing that I say to young people is the one 245 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 5: thing we can do is make sure innocent civilians don't 246 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: die of starvation, of lack of clean water, lack of 247 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 5: access to medications. That's not war, that's compassion and humanitarian need. 248 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 5: And that's something that I really do push the Israelis 249 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: to allow more crossings to open and to get that 250 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 5: aid in there to prevent people from dying from eminently 251 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 5: preventable causes. 252 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: Congressman, I feel like I should call you doctor. It's 253 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: great to see you again, Ammi Bera. Thank you for 254 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: joining and I hope this holiday season is great for you. 255 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. 256 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: I hope we'll see a lot more of you in 257 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. From California's sixth to sound On, Amy 258 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: Barrow will assemble our panel next Genie Shanzino and Lester Munson. 259 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. 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Senators jd Vance, Josh Holly, 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: and John Fetterman coming down on the same side and 267 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: actually is happening right now, which is kind of remarkable, 268 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: And I want the panels take on this as jd 269 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Vance and Josh Holly send a letter to the Biden 270 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: administration urging they move to block this deal that sees 271 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: a Japanese company buying US steel. This is a huge 272 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: headline from the past twenty four hours. If you're a 273 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: stock trader, you probably know about a big day for 274 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: US steel, and of course we know where they are based. 275 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: John Fetterman, of course, fashions himself a steel man, speaking 276 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: in a video from his hometown in Pennsylvania. 277 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 7: Here he is, I'm standing on the roof of my 278 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 7: home right here in brad Pennsylvania, right across the street 279 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 7: from the Edgar Thompson Plan, and I just have to 280 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 7: say it's absolutely outrageous that they have sold themselves to 281 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 7: a foreign nation and a company can't do that. Steel 282 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 7: is always about security as well too, and I am 283 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 7: committed to doing anything I can do for on using 284 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 7: my platform on my position in order. 285 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 6: To block this. 286 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: He's right, Steele is about security, and I want to 287 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: assemble the panel for their take on this. Genie Shanzano 288 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: is with us today Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic Analysts, joined 289 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: by Republican strategist Lester Munchett Monson from BGR Group. Lester, 290 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: are they onto something here? 291 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't know? 292 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: If the Biden administration is going to move to try 293 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: to squash this deal, this is Japan's Nippon Steal again, 294 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: buying US steal one of the most iconic companies in 295 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: American history. Do you think Holly Vance and Fetterman will 296 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: stop it. 297 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 8: I don't know that they will. They will certainly cause 298 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 8: a stir. I think the thing they have stumbled on 299 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 8: is called xenophobia, so they seem to have that in common. 300 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 8: It's unclear to me why a business deal with an 301 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 8: allied country would be somehow bad for American security. We're 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 8: as closely allied to Japan as we are to anyone. 303 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 8: The economics and the steel industry are difficult under the 304 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 8: best of circumstances. It is a good thing that Americans 305 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 8: can invest in assets abroad. It is a good thing 306 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 8: generally that folks in other countries can invest here in 307 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 8: the United States. So I'm generally speaking rather opposed to 308 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 8: this criticism, subject to some of the details of the 309 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 8: Dale coming out, But for sure the politics are benefiting 310 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 8: populous on both sides. 311 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: This is interesting. The United Steel Workers urging US regulators 312 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: to scrutinize the fourteen billion dollar deal, a Genie. Are 313 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: these politicians driven by xenophobia or national security? 314 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 9: You know, I hope it's not xenophobia. I think they 315 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 9: are probably driven by the fact that they all have 316 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 9: close connections in their states with these unions and these workers. 317 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 9: I mean, let's not forget we're talking about, you know, 318 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, this is an one hundred 319 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 9: and twenty year old plus company in the United States. 320 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 9: It's an iconic company. This is thirty seven hundred workers. 321 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 9: And while we hear that they will Nipon will agree 322 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 9: to abide by all the labor agreements, those are enormous concerns. 323 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 9: So I think, you know, it's it's there's a lot 324 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 9: of nostalgia there. There's a lot of politics there. On 325 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 9: the flip side, I do agree with Lester. You know, 326 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 9: we are not in World War two. Japan is one 327 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 9: of our closest allies. We would hope this isn't xenophobia. 328 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 9: And we also can't forget that Nipon has a handprint 329 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 9: of footprint in North America already. They have plants, they 330 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 9: have space and places like West Virginia, Indiana, Mexico, so 331 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 9: they are you know, closer. I think Southern United States, 332 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 9: they are closer. I think that people maybe realize, but 333 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 9: this is certainly getting a lot of play. It is 334 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 9: bipartisan because of the politics surrounding Pennsylvania. It's going to 335 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 9: be very curious to see even what Biden has to 336 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 9: say and the administration has to say about this deal 337 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 9: as we march into the twenty twenty four election. 338 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, particularly with his affinity for the United steel Workers Union, 339 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: Where do you think this goes politically? Then in a 340 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 2: campaign year, Lester, you know Donald Trump's going to weigh 341 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: in on this, speaking of xenophobia. 342 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 8: Well, Trump's going to weigh in. I expect Shared Brown, 343 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 8: the incumbent senator in Ohio, who I believe is up 344 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 8: for reelection next year, to be outspoken on this at 345 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 8: some point as well. So it'll be interesting to track theirs. 346 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 8: I do think it's notable that, you know, we're getting 347 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 8: this populist reaction from both parties. There seems to be 348 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 8: no home for kind of the sensible support for business 349 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 8: management in the United States anymore, and that kind of 350 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 8: makes me think maybe there's an opportunity for a third 351 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 8: party here. Gosh, next year might be more interesting than 352 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 8: I think. 353 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you the of industry has had a 354 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: pretty heavy hand when it comes to antitrust. This FDC 355 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: has been busy, Genie, do you think that the White 356 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: House would have a problem with this in principle? 357 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 9: You know, I think they are going to want the 358 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 9: deal and the parameters of the deal closely scrutinized. I 359 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 9: think they are going to be supremely concerned about the 360 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 9: impact on labor, as you mentioned, given how close Joe 361 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 9: Biden is and how much he depends on it. And 362 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 9: let's not forget, you know, just back to the politics 363 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 9: of this as it pertains to labor. These are states 364 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 9: where the margins of winning and losing are sometimes in 365 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 9: the thousands over the last several election cycles, as you 366 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 9: look at Pennsylvania and Michigan. So they want to be 367 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 9: very careful not to step on any support they might 368 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 9: otherwise have. And I think that's what we're going to 369 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 9: see them vying for. And you know, the reality is 370 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 9: is that this deal also there are a lot of 371 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 9: questions being asked about, now, why MEPON is paying you know, 372 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 9: what is it fifty fifty five dollars per share, which 373 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 9: most people say is an over payment and so I 374 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 9: think it would be really incumbent on Fetterman and Vance 375 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 9: and you know, any of the other senators and skeptics 376 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 9: to say, what are the national security concerns here? You're 377 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 9: hearing some things about chips and others. Those need to 378 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 9: be brought out, and they need to be brought out now, 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 9: because again, the deal, they were hoping to finalize it 380 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 9: in just a matter of a few months by mid 381 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 9: twenty twenty four. 382 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: Just wait for those hearings. In our last moment here, Lester, 383 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: who's going to win the Union vote in this presidential election? 384 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: Will it be a Democrat or Republican? 385 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think Joe Biden needs it to win. 386 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 8: Donald Trump stole that vote from from Democrats in twenty sixteen, 387 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 8: and Joe Biden got enough of them back in twenty 388 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 8: twenty to win to defeat Trump. I mean, is a 389 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 8: little bit more complicated in that, but that's the They're 390 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 8: both going after that demographic, there's no doubt, and I 391 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 8: would look for both sides to be making you know, 392 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 8: they're going to look to drive out their supporters in 393 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 8: that constituency, So they're going to make more and more 394 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 8: extreme statements and be more and more demagogic on this 395 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 8: issue in order to drive their voters to the poll. 396 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 8: So I don't think that's helpful when it comes to 397 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 8: good government. 398 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast Catch us 399 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 400 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business App, or listen on 401 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 402 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: Things are moving today. I don't know how we even 403 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 2: got here already, because Kaylee Linees is sitting with me, 404 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: so I know it's ours too good to see you. Likewise, 405 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: this is an important day, I guess in coming to 406 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: terms with reality. Senators, as I said earlier, have one 407 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: foot out the door all of sixty one next you 408 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: just showed up to vote last night. So this idea 409 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: of having some grand breakthrough in a deal emerging that 410 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: will actually vote on seem it pretty thin right now. 411 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 10: Seems like it's not going to happen. I think we 412 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 10: can say that with a great deal of certainty at 413 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 10: this point. 414 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: So I've not gone out at a limb here. 415 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 10: No, I think jet fumes are in the air. So 416 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 10: I read a lot of people just didn't get on 417 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 10: the jet back to Washington in the first place, but 418 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 10: there is some business they can take care of in 419 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 10: the next couple days before they wrap up the year 420 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 10: twenty twenty three in terms of congressional business, including the 421 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 10: Senate today possibly actually going to finally, once and for all, 422 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 10: put an end to this blockade that Tommy Tubberville, the 423 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 10: Senator from Alabama, had going. 424 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: For so long, which would have the guy would be 425 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: almost a year in on this now. 426 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 4: Right. 427 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: If they get it done, we're down to eleven four 428 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: star generals. Correct if you listen to or watch Bloomberg 429 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: Sound on, you know a lot about this story because 430 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: we've talked about it a lot, and I'm you know, 431 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: the remarks from General Panaro are still echoing here in 432 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: the studio among many others. We've talked to Republican and 433 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: Democratic lawmakers who have been outraged about this and railing 434 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: about it on the air, and it appears that this 435 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: is finally the day. As painful as it has been, 436 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 2: it comes to an end. 437 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 10: Assuming they haven't it. If they get it done, people 438 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 10: there to actually get these you need. 439 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: Enough people to show up. Yeah, that's the I guess 440 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: the idea. So let us not predict let's bring the 441 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: general in. Arnold Panaro is back with us, retired two 442 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: star Marine Corps general and former staff director of the 443 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: Senate Armed Services Committee, so we has a bit of 444 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: an idea of how this stuff works. General, it's great 445 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: to see if is this going to be the day 446 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: we look back on Tommy's last stand? 447 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 11: Well, Joe and Kaylee, I sure hope so, but I 448 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 11: don't know because Senator Schumer, after they finally got Senator 449 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 11: Tuberville to back down and we got four hundred of 450 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 11: our flag and general officers approved, like you said, almost 451 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 11: a year, very very negative impacts on our military leadership 452 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 11: during that period. We have eleven four stars and some 453 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 11: of them are the top war fighting commanders that we 454 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 11: need to get in place. 455 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 12: Because we tell the. 456 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 11: Mothers and fathers that we're going to pet their sons 457 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 11: and daughters. They give us an uniform, will be the 458 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 11: best trained, the best quip, and the best lad And 459 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 11: he's holding up the best lead and he wasn't even 460 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 11: in town. 461 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 12: So if he's holding it's by remote control. 462 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 11: And so Schumer either has to get cloture me if 463 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 11: Tubberville won't agree to unanimous consent, or he's got to 464 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 11: get a unanimous consent agreement where they can just be 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 11: voted on by voice voting. 466 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 12: You know, with Senator Tubberville, you never know. 467 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 11: He kind of the last thing we heard from him publicly, 468 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 11: he was still holding his ground. And let's just hope 469 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 11: as Kaylee said that they started smelling the jet fumed 470 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 11: right after Thanksgiving to do nothing. Congress has done absolutely 471 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 11: nothing in the weeks they should have done leading up. 472 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 12: But let's hope we get these eleven through again. Three 473 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 12: of them. 474 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 11: Are the top warfighting commanders of our top military units. 475 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 10: Okay, so assuming general that they can get this done. 476 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 10: If we're leaning here on the side of optimism at 477 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 10: this point, if everyone is to be confirmed, we can 478 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 10: call this Tubberville blockade over. How much of the damage 479 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 10: that was done is not able to be recovered from, 480 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 10: if you will, or is this something we can really 481 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 10: put in the rear view the military moves forward with 482 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 10: not too much permanent damage done to it. As an institution, we. 483 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 12: Can't put it in the rearview mirror. And it's not over. 484 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 11: He can put his hold on again because we have 485 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 11: more nominations coming in every week in the US Senate, 486 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 11: and so we don't have any agreement looking forward. 487 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 12: In number two, the military will never put this in. 488 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 11: The rearview mirror because they've been politicized. He used them 489 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 11: as political pawns over a policy that he disagreed with, 490 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 11: that he had nothing to do with, and it's rumbled through. 491 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 11: I'm over in the Pentagon a lot I'm talking to 492 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 11: you know a lot of folks that are still on duty, 493 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 11: and they are not putting this in the rearview mirror 494 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 11: at all. It's had a really negative impact on morale, 495 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 11: on readiness, not just on the people in uniform, but 496 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 11: on their families and their children. 497 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like we may not be done with this, 498 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 2: depending on what the Senator from Alabama decides to do 499 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: early next year at general. I wonder if you share 500 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: the frustration on top of all of this that many 501 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: Ukrainians feel that military aid that they say is badly 502 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: needed within weeks as they run out of money, is 503 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: locked up in a debate over our border with Mexico. 504 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: Should this emergency funding be tied in with that type 505 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: of domestic policy. 506 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 11: Well, Joe, let me just say that this has been 507 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 11: one of the most disappointing things I've seen in the 508 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 11: almost fifty years I've been working the Hill and working 509 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 11: these issues. Because we're going into the new year, and 510 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 11: the national security as it relates to Ukraine, as it 511 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 11: relates to support to Israel, as it relates to additional 512 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 11: support to Taiwan, as it relates to increasing security on 513 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 11: our borders, and this it relates to having a full 514 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 11: year defense appropriation for our own Department of Defense. We're 515 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 11: not going to be getting any sugar plums and our 516 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 11: stockings this year. We're gonna get big lumps of coal. 517 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 11: Because the do nothing Congress has done absolutely nothing. They're 518 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 11: gonna go into the new year. They have no agreement 519 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 11: on the top lines, they have no deals worked out 520 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 11: on this supplemental that where Ukraine, for example, has already 521 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 11: said they've run out of artillery, and so we are 522 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 11: in a very very bad situation. 523 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 12: Those of Congress has been divving and not getting their 524 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 12: work done. 525 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 11: And so I think the political reality is we've got 526 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 11: a serious national security issue on the border. It's going 527 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 11: to be tied to funding you for Ukraine, and nobody's 528 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 11: going to be able to get around that. So they 529 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 11: just need to suck it up and get their work done. 530 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 10: Okay, Well, general, this really has been cast as competing 531 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 10: national security interests, if you will, there's a messaging battle 532 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 10: kind of happening. On the one side. You have Republicans 533 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 10: saying you have to address national security issues at home 534 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 10: first the US border before you go and give more 535 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 10: money to defend another country's border. Speaking here of Ukraine, 536 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 10: do you is that argument valid or are the stakes 537 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 10: here when it comes to what a potential Russian victory 538 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 10: in Ukraine could mean for the global order just too 539 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 10: high for that kind of argument. 540 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 11: Look, look the seriousness and the adverse impacts. The Wall 541 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 11: Street Journal had an editorial today. We're one of their 542 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 11: most distinguished columnists. We're tired now, but he writes every 543 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 11: once in a while, said, one of the big winners 544 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 11: in twenty twenty three is Putin because he basically the 545 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 11: economic sanctions haven't hurt him. The West is tiring out. 546 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 11: We couldn't get the final funding for Ukraine finished before there, 547 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 11: he sees. And again, if Putin was to win in Ukraine, 548 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 11: it would send a signal to China, to North Korea, 549 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 11: to Iran to be even more aggressive than they've already been. 550 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 12: So while the border security is important. 551 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 11: I don't see it at the same level, in the 552 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 11: same drastic consequence that would occur, you know, if Putin 553 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 11: was to win in Ukraine. 554 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 12: And right now again the Wall Street Journal. 555 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 11: Very conservative newspaper, is given plaudits to Vladimir Putin. 556 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: Quite a dangerous world we're living in here general, because 557 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: we can keep going as I I want you to 558 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: what's happening in the Middle East and specifically this new 559 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: task force to manage what's happening in the Red Sea 560 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: where we're seeing commercial shipping come to a halt based 561 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: on persistent attacks from these Houthi militants in Yemen. Is 562 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: it time for the United States to strike at the source? 563 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 12: Absolutely? 564 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 11: I mean, look, freedom of navigation is an essential element 565 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 11: of worldwide commerce, particularly for the United States of America. 566 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 11: That's why we don't want China to basically have domain 567 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 11: over the South China Sea, where five trillion dollars of 568 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 11: the world economy moves through there every year. The Red Sea, 569 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 11: the Straits, and hermos Panama Canal, the sus Canal, these 570 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 11: have got to be these waterways have got to be 571 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 11: kept open, and frankly, it's ridiculous that basically we are 572 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 11: allowing these one hundred thousand dollars drones to go after 573 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 11: high ships and go after these large tankers, and we're 574 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 11: spending two million dollars per missile to shoot them down. Frankly, 575 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 11: where I come from in the military, you go to 576 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 11: the source, and you know the hoodies or down in Yemen, 577 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 11: right down at the bottom of the Red Sea. We 578 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 11: should be taking out their sites where they're firing these 579 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 11: missiles from. That's a lot safer way and a lot 580 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 11: less risk to our ships into the tankers than basically 581 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 11: trying to shoot them down in the air where they're 582 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 11: on the way there. As a young second lieutenant in Vietnam, 583 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 11: my main mission as a marine platoon commander was the 584 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 11: interdict the interdict the ho Chi mintrail where the Chinese 585 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 11: brought supplies into the South. And I had this silly notion, 586 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 11: I said, well, why don't we try to stop them 587 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 11: up north when they're still in China coming through North 588 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 11: Vietnam so we don't have to fight with our Banets 589 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 11: when they get here right into our face. Well, what 590 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 11: we ought to be doing with the Huti rebels is 591 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 11: taking out their sites where they're firing on our ships 592 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 11: before our ships one hundred thousand dollars missile. Then it 593 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 11: was to hit one of these billion dollar destroyers, just 594 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 11: like happening in the First Gulf War when one of 595 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 11: our big naval combatants had a twenty five dollars mind 596 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 11: it did a billion dollars worth of damage. It's just 597 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 11: way too risky to do the way we're doing it now. Certainly, 598 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 11: we should have freedom of navigation and keep these roterways open, 599 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 11: but we should take the fight to the Uti rebels 600 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 11: where they're firing the missiles. 601 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 10: Well, generally you just described as the Hooti rebels as 602 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 10: being isolated, and yet aren't they a proxy for Iran, 603 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 10: which is potentially a much greater threat. And I just 604 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 10: wonder if the US were to take that kind of 605 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 10: of direct action, if that actually escalates the threat of 606 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 10: this turning into a wider regional conflict. 607 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 11: Well, Kaylee, I meant isolated geographically. They're located in other words, 608 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 11: meaning they would not be hard for our TAC dogs 609 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 11: to find them. They're isolated geographically in a small part 610 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 11: of Yaman at the bottom of the Red Sea. We 611 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 11: do worry about escalation, but look Iran, he's been operating 612 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 11: with impunity. 613 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 12: They we are not deterring them. 614 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 11: We have got to take much stronger action, not just 615 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 11: against the Hooti rebels, but against the Iranian proxies that 616 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 11: are attacking our forces in Iraq and Syria. And we 617 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 11: haven't sent a strong enough message that there would be 618 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 11: consequences to pay. And again, I don't think as Balla 619 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 11: has not jumped in in the northern tier other than 620 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 11: random attacks, and Iran does not want to get into 621 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 11: a shooting war with the United States. I think the 622 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 11: fear of escalation is not a realistic any more than 623 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 11: I thought the fear of Putin using nuclear weapons and escalating. 624 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 11: I think we were way too timid when we first 625 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 11: went into Ukraine and held the Ukrainians back when they 626 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 11: could have been attacking the Russian supply lines in Russia. 627 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: Well, let's hear you out on what's happening in Israel, 628 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: because the Biden administration is being told to start pulling 629 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 2: back and delivering that message to the IDF to end 630 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: this phase of the war with Hemas. Is that what 631 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: needs to be done now? 632 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 6: General? 633 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 2: And how do you respond to the critics, And there 634 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: are a lot of them, we're hearing from them every 635 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: day here on the program. The administration is hearing from 636 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: them as well, critics who say you can defeat Hamas 637 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: without killing as many civilians in Gaza. 638 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 11: Well, certainly, as someone that's operated in a number of 639 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 11: wars and built up areas and combat and built up 640 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 11: areas and urban areas is extremely difficult. Crosswith pointed that out. 641 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 11: It always favors the defender, which is of course in 642 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 11: this case Hamas. You can operate in these areas and 643 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 11: minimize civilian casualties, you're not going to eliminate them one 644 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 11: hundred percent, and I think more could be done on 645 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 11: that front. But on the other hand, you know, both 646 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 11: the Hoodi rebels and the Hamas they basically say death 647 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 11: to America, death to Israel, and Hamas wants to wipe 648 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 11: the state of Israel and all the Jews that live 649 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 11: there off the face of the earth. And so Israel 650 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 11: has got to basically deal with this threat. I mean, frankly, 651 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 11: if citizens in the northern part of the United States 652 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 11: or in the southern part were attacked from terrorists either 653 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 11: from Canada or Mexico, the citizens of this country would 654 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 11: demand our military to be responding. And so I think 655 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 11: they can be more careful, but in the final analysis, 656 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 11: combat and built up areas is a very very different 657 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 11: You've got to root them out. And basically the only 658 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 11: way that is really is going to basically protect their 659 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 11: sovereignty and protect their own citizens is they're going to 660 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 11: have to take a moss. 661 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 12: Out where they are. 662 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 11: And they they hide in tunnels, they hide under hospitals, 663 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 11: they hide and protected targets, and and uh that they've 664 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 11: given the Israeli military, Uh, no alternative but to get 665 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 11: in there. 666 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 12: And and and and and go, you know, in close 667 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 12: in and counter. And that's just the bottom line. 668 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 11: But guess what it's been like that and every war 669 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 11: that we've been in, uh, you know, you look at 670 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 11: World War Two, and you look at the the US 671 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 11: of course was taken on Hitler in Japan, and look 672 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 11: at the amount of civil Tazili's unfortunately that had to 673 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 11: be encouraged to be able to win that war. 674 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 12: And I'm I'm across as a war miner. 675 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 11: But let's face it, I guarantee you if the citizens 676 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 11: of the United States of America were at had the 677 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 11: same risk the Israeli citizens have, they would demand that 678 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 11: our government and our military take those threats out. 679 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 10: All right, General, we'll leave it on that note. As always, 680 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 10: we appreciate insight. Thank you very much for joining. Happy 681 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 10: holidays and happy New Year to you, even if it 682 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 10: is a year that Joe clearly could potentially still be 683 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 10: ring great geopolitical risk and interesting to hear from the 684 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 10: General there that the military strategic reality may be running 685 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 10: into pretty direct conflict with the political reality of the 686 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 10: climate here in the US. For the administration, on the 687 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 10: one hand, Israel needs to do what it needs to 688 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 10: do to defend itself. On the other it's getting very 689 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 10: hard to justify the cost and civilian lives. 690 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 2: It's a really complicated conversation. It's not going to get 691 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 2: easier in the new year, but we will continue having 692 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: it here. Kaylee, thanks again to the General. With Kaylee lines, 693 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew. Glad you're with us. Thanks for listening 694 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: to the Sound on podcast. Make sure to subscribe if 695 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you 696 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 2: get your podcasts, and you can find us live every 697 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 2: weekday from Washington, DC at one pm Eastern Time at 698 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot com.