WEBVTT - What do Quarks taste like?

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<v Speaker 1>Jorgey, would you say that you have good taste in movies?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I have good taste in movies,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like I like what I like. But

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean that you think those movies like taste good?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean doesn't mean to have good taste in movies?

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<v Speaker 1>You mean like if I ate a movie? Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like are certain movies like delicious or like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hard to swallow? I think some plotlines are definitely hard

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<v Speaker 1>to swallow. Yeah, But it's kind of an interesting question

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<v Speaker 1>that you ask me. Were you still of asking me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can a movie taste? Or how can somebody have

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<v Speaker 1>good taste in music? Yeah? Exactly? Like why do we

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<v Speaker 1>use the word taste to describe how we choose art

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<v Speaker 1>or clothing or you know, living room furniture. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna eat that stuff. Well, it's probably just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a poetic analogy, you know, Right, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of poetry. Right, We're saying, here's something we

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<v Speaker 1>can't really describe, and we're gonna related to something we

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<v Speaker 1>can describe. Hi am r hammade cartoonists and the creator

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<v Speaker 1>of PhD Comics. Hi I'm Daniel, I'm a particle physicist.

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<v Speaker 1>I smash stuff together at their large hay drawn collider

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<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out what the world is made

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<v Speaker 1>out of. And you are a listener with really good

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<v Speaker 1>taste because you are listening to our podcast, Daniel and

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<v Speaker 1>Jorge Explain the Universe, a production of I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>the most delicious podcast in the whole universe. But seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>our goal on this podcast really is to take the

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<v Speaker 1>universe and slice it into bite sized pieces so you

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<v Speaker 1>can chew them one at a time and really digest

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<v Speaker 1>each one, bite size installments of knowledge for your ears

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<v Speaker 1>taste buds. Yeah, exactly. We want you to really be

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<v Speaker 1>able to incorporate these ideas into your brain. Right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something you don't just swallow it like a pill.

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<v Speaker 1>We want you to really, you know, take some time,

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<v Speaker 1>chew it, enjoy it, gave understand like the top notes

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<v Speaker 1>and the back notes and the I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about here when it comes to names

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<v Speaker 1>of their various tastes. Take your your phone or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you're using to listen to this and kind of swirl

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<v Speaker 1>it around a little bit, you know, let this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>arrate a little bit. Hey, I think this podcast has

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<v Speaker 1>legs for tasting. That's what they say about wine. You

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<v Speaker 1>swirl it around and you look to see if it

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<v Speaker 1>has legs. I don't drink that much wine. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also complimenting your legs, Orge, it did shape them this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>What I didn't want to hear that nobody wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that nobody wants to be Well, maybe some people

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<v Speaker 1>out there do want a mental image of Jorge shaving

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<v Speaker 1>his legs. But I think the point is that there

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<v Speaker 1>are words that physicists use sometimes describe physical phenomenon that

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of weird to use, right, It's kind of um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like they they're used for other things

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<v Speaker 1>in the English language. Yeah, And we've talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>a few times on this podcast. Recently, we did a

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<v Speaker 1>whole podcast about Spin, in which you rightly insisted that

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<v Speaker 1>we should have called it like spin, because it's not spin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like spin. But there's an important point there that

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<v Speaker 1>we're sort of extrapolating. We're saying, here's something weird and unknown,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sort of similar in interesting ways to this

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<v Speaker 1>thing we do know, and so let's give it that

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<v Speaker 1>name so we can associate these two ideas in our head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a grumpy person when it comes to nomenclature,

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<v Speaker 1>to naming things. I'll take that mantle. I've heard you

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<v Speaker 1>do this yourself about your own work. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean Sometimes you introduce your comic and if somebody, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get that flash of recognition, you say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>PhD comics. It's like Dilbert but for academia. Yeah, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think analogies are useful in the English language, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I use the word like, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>we relean on these heavily in physics. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about things being particles, metaphors are analogies metaphors, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would admit that we often use metaphors when

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<v Speaker 1>we should be using analogies. But that's basically all we do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in physics, we try to describe the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>And what can you do when you describe the unknown

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<v Speaker 1>accept related to the known? Right, So you're like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is a particle? Like, it's kind of like a little

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<v Speaker 1>spinning ball. Oh, it's kind of like a wave. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how does this thing work? It's kind of like this

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<v Speaker 1>other thing and uh, And that's the job of physics

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<v Speaker 1>is to say here's all these weird, disparate phenomena. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we describe them using similar ideas? So this this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a good intention there. It's not like physics is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to deceive people by saying this has spin and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a particle and this as this flavor. We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing our best to try to connect these things to

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that are already in your head to make them

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<v Speaker 1>easier to understand. And so today on the podcast, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about what do quarks taste like? That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>what do quarks taste like? And what do they look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Because in particle physics, we describe corks as having flavor,

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<v Speaker 1>and we also describe them as having color, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you might be wondering, like, what how does a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little particle have like a color or a flavor? Like

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<v Speaker 1>can you taste one particle at a time? What does

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<v Speaker 1>that really mean? These guys being literal, are they being metaphorical?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they being analogical? What's the word there? Yeah, poetic?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, wrong? Perhaps there you go, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>be open to the possibility that physics has taken too

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<v Speaker 1>many liberties in bending the English language to describe what

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned. Yeah. So, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>examples like this in physics, right, especially particle physics, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with some pretty weird and unknown things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we basically always have to do that when we're describing

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<v Speaker 1>these tiny, little weird things we call particles. Um, we're

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<v Speaker 1>always relying on things that we understand, even the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a field, you know, like that we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about quantum fields and electromagnetic fields. You know, you're relying

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<v Speaker 1>on your your understanding of of of how these things work. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a field in general, it's like I imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>like a field of weed or field of asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like thinking about how things change over a plane. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything we do basically is some sort of poetic

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<v Speaker 1>or non poetic extension of the English language. They were

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<v Speaker 1>in particular talking about corks, right, because corks have both color, flavor,

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<v Speaker 1>and spin, But they actually don't have neither color, flavor

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<v Speaker 1>nor spin. They have like flavor, like color and like spin.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, Yeah, there you go, podcast done, podcast over. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna dig into exactly what that means. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was curious what people thought, um, So I went around

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<v Speaker 1>the camp as a uc irvine, and I asked people first.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked them, hey, have you heard of a cork?

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<v Speaker 1>And most people you'll you'll hear their responses. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't, I asked them, what would you believe me

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<v Speaker 1>if I told you that these tiny particles had flavor

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<v Speaker 1>or color? But if they had heard of them? You

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<v Speaker 1>would ask them if they knew that they have flavors?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, if they if they had heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked them if they knew about cork flavor and color,

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<v Speaker 1>And if they hadn't, I said, would you believe me

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<v Speaker 1>if I told you that they had flavors and colors?

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a multipart question here, all right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it was just too too short of conversation. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you heard of corks? No? All right, well there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Those of you listening, maybe take a second to think

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<v Speaker 1>about if somebody approach you on the street and ask

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<v Speaker 1>you what a corks taste like or what's their flavor

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<v Speaker 1>or color? What would you answer? Here's what people had

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Um, have you heard of quarks? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what corks are? I've heard of them. Um, they're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have colors and flavors. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>cork colors and flavors mean? U? Cork is a delightful

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<v Speaker 1>like yogurty kind of a thing. So that's the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I thought of. What the question is, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what cork flavors are? Wow? You're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>strawberry blueberry for the yogurt um. I have heard of

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<v Speaker 1>cork flavors. Yes, I have heard of corks. Another thing,

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they are. Did you know that quarks

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<v Speaker 1>come in different colors and flavors? No? I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could say yes, but I don't have heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, quirky people. Did you know that quirks, the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental particles, come in different flavors and colors? I had

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<v Speaker 1>also heard out, but I can't believe I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, great, Yeah, they're one of the parts of

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<v Speaker 1>protons and neutrons. Right. Do you know that they come

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<v Speaker 1>in different colors and flavors? Can you explain that? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they really taste and look different? No, it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way that it's described. There's up and down, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really understand too much how that works. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have a hard time believing that because as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we don't really see the quantum quantum mechanical

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<v Speaker 1>side of the world, so I don't know how that

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<v Speaker 1>would work exactly. All right, A pretty delicious set of

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<v Speaker 1>answers there, that's right. Yeah. Um. I was amazed to

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<v Speaker 1>learn that there actually is a European yogurt product called

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<v Speaker 1>cork that does come in various flavors. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>That is true? I verified that via Google. Well, technically

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<v Speaker 1>that yogurt probably does have a lot of quarks in it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. We should relabel everything in the grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>as mostly quarks, quirks and electrons. Is that going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of the physics food company? Quirks and electrons? Yum, yum, yum.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. You can put out you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern for pretty much anything, and you would dominate the

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<v Speaker 1>entire global economy. That's true. And that's something I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people haven't really gotten their minds around the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that everything they eat is just made out of the

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<v Speaker 1>same particles, and it's made out of the same particles

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<v Speaker 1>in basically the same numbers. You know, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>spoonful of yogurt, and you have a spoonful of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. What's something healthy um ice cream or lentils

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Then it has the same particles in it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just arranged differently. So the thingness that you're eating,

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<v Speaker 1>the the yumminess or the grossness, comes entirely from how

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<v Speaker 1>those particles are put together, not what they're actually made

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<v Speaker 1>out of, which endlessly fascinates me. A bit of a digression, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but onto the topic of quarks being tasty, Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>should um first remind people what a quirk is and

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<v Speaker 1>where it sits in the sort of hierarchy of particles,

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<v Speaker 1>and then dig into their flavors and colors. All right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's bring it down for people, or remind them

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<v Speaker 1>what is a quirk, Daniel. It's a delicious European yogurt apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, And what flavors does it come in? And

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<v Speaker 1>what color is this? It comes in strawberry and blueberry. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a quirk is, as far as we know, a fundamental particle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you look at the stuff around you, then

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<v Speaker 1>you know stuff is made out of atoms, elements of

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<v Speaker 1>the periodic table. You dig into those atoms of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as a nucleus surrounded by electrons and inside the nucleus

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<v Speaker 1>are protons and neutrons, right, protons being positively charged and

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<v Speaker 1>neutrons being neutral. But inside the protons and neutrons are

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<v Speaker 1>these particles we call quarks, and there's either two up

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<v Speaker 1>quarks and a down or two down quirks and and up,

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<v Speaker 1>and that gives you protons and neutrons. So even the

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<v Speaker 1>smallest level, everything is made out of these little pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that are arranged differently. The same basic building blocks can

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<v Speaker 1>give you protons or neutrons. It's just sort of different

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of the stuff and arranged differently. Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>most of us learned about the atom in high school, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we learned that there's a little nucleus with protons

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<v Speaker 1>and neutrons and then electrons flying around them. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing you're saying is that those things inside the

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<v Speaker 1>nucleus are not actually things. We're just kind of configurations

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<v Speaker 1>of smaller things. Yeah, well, there are things in the

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<v Speaker 1>same level that you're a thing, right, You're a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're configurations of smaller things, and those smaller things

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<v Speaker 1>a configuration of smaller things, and on and on and

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<v Speaker 1>on until we don't know when in the end everything

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<v Speaker 1>is made out of these particles, and there really are

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<v Speaker 1>the fundamental building blocks of like all the matter you

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen, all the matter you've tasted, all the things

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<v Speaker 1>you see in the night sky. You know those stars

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and they're made mostly out of quirks. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The planet under your feet is made mostly out of quarks.

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<v Speaker 1>Your hand that you're looking at right now is made

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<v Speaker 1>mostly out of corks. The brain you're using to hear

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is made mostly out of quirks, but two

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<v Speaker 1>quirks in particular, up corks and down corks. And they are,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as you know, the fundamental in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that you as far as you know, you can't split

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<v Speaker 1>them any further, or they're not made out of even

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<v Speaker 1>smaller things themselves. That's right, as far as we know.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's mostly because we don't have enough power to

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<v Speaker 1>break them for there. And you know, there's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>bit of history here that for a long time people

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<v Speaker 1>thought protons and neutrons were fundamental particles. They were the

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<v Speaker 1>smallest things we had found yet. And then people came

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<v Speaker 1>up with an idea that there might be particles inside

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<v Speaker 1>the protons and neutrons, and you know, they call them quirks.

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<v Speaker 1>But inside the field there was a debate for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time about whether corks were real, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are they really there or is it just something we

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<v Speaker 1>use in our calculations that helps us figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>the math works. And there's sort of a lively debate

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<v Speaker 1>for a while until you know, we actually saw quirks

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<v Speaker 1>by breaking over the proton and interacting with them directly. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But you you don't actually see the courts, right like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't detect the corks. You detect what they turn

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<v Speaker 1>into or what they break into. That's right. Quirks by themselves, um,

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<v Speaker 1>don't hang out very long. They have such powerful forces,

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<v Speaker 1>the strong nuclear force, that they gather other stuff around

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<v Speaker 1>them very very quickly. So you almost never see In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you never see a free cork, a naked cork just

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<v Speaker 1>by itself. It very quickly just grabs energy out of

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum and dresses itself up. They're very shy. Who

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<v Speaker 1>wants a bunch of physics to see them naked? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people can really I won't

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<v Speaker 1>answer that question. I'm not qualified to speak to that question.

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<v Speaker 1>But so you've never seen a cord by itself you

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<v Speaker 1>mostly see the bits of it, but from your theory

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<v Speaker 1>you can piece together that at some point in that

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<v Speaker 1>shower of stuff there a cork existed. Yeah, exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>also on the other side, remember we're colliding protons, so

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<v Speaker 1>when we start out, we collide protons, but protons are

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<v Speaker 1>basically just bags of quarks, and we speed them up

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<v Speaker 1>so much. That's actually interacting are the corks inside the

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<v Speaker 1>proton Because the energy of the cork, the energy the

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<v Speaker 1>corks have when they're moving in the beams, is much

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger than the energy that's holding the proton together.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can basically just disregard that. So on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>you can think of the large Hadron collider as a

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<v Speaker 1>proton collider, but really we think of it as a

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<v Speaker 1>cork collider because it's colliding these bags of corks against

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<v Speaker 1>each other. So while we've never like individually seen a

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<v Speaker 1>cork by itself, we have a lot of pretty direct

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that they do this. You're telling me you even

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<v Speaker 1>name your own machines wrong, like your your machine should

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<v Speaker 1>have been called the large Cork. We need you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep telling you we need you on these committees

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<v Speaker 1>for the naming because somebody services are available for for

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<v Speaker 1>a feed ten. I'll put you in the budget next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Namer that's my name, or scientist what you just named

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<v Speaker 1>yourself the namer? If you're that good, if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be I mean, it's direct. I like it. It's simple.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're gonna go for like I'm in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of naming stuff for physics, you've got to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little more creative than that, right, his grand namingus. It's

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<v Speaker 1>simple and direct, that's what I keep But I keep

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<v Speaker 1>telling you guys, you need to be not poetic the

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<v Speaker 1>namer of particles. No poetic flourishes allowed here. Huh. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's get into what a court taste like or

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<v Speaker 1>what a court looks like. But first let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. Alright, So we're digging into courts today, and

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<v Speaker 1>in particular this idea that a cork has flavor. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>flavor flavor where's blinging and wraps. It gets even funnier

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<v Speaker 1>than that because there are other corks out there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And those corks are heavier, so they're just like the

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<v Speaker 1>up cork and the down cork, but they have more mass,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we often refer to those other corks as

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<v Speaker 1>heavy flavor. And I remember in grad school telling my

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<v Speaker 1>friends who are like biologists or you know, political science

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<v Speaker 1>grad students, when I was working on I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>working on a heavy flavor and to them that totally

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like a rap group heavy flavor. Yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>drop some heavy flavor on you today. Man. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a well known YouTuber who wraps and things about physics.

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<v Speaker 1>You've heard of him? Met him? I've met him. But

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard of him? Yeah? Isn't it a woman? No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there's a lot of acapella songs about physics.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, um, I have heard of him. Acapella science.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fantastic. There's another there's a famous rap about the

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<v Speaker 1>LHC that was done by a a young graduate student.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also pretty good. So this turns out there's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole community of physics rappers out there. Yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the world needs. But back to the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of quirks. The idea of flavors is that there's more

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<v Speaker 1>than just the up cork and the down cork. Those exist,

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<v Speaker 1>those make the proton of the neutron, but sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>can also make these other corks. They're called charm and strange,

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<v Speaker 1>top and bottom. And the thing that's interesting about the

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<v Speaker 1>other corks is that they're very similar to the up

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<v Speaker 1>cork and the down cork. They're like copies of those corks.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just heavier. So is that kind of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>that at first you only had two quarks up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you discovered more corks, so you have to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with other names. Yes, exactly. The first thing

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<v Speaker 1>up in the down and then they found the strange cork,

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<v Speaker 1>and after that they found the charm cork, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom and then top cork. Because I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>physicists thought that there were only two, so they went

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<v Speaker 1>with up and down, and then they're like, wait, there's

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<v Speaker 1>another one. What do we call this one? Side? Left, right, front, back? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it it actually did happen that way. Um, there were

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<v Speaker 1>these particles that were kind of weird, so they called

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<v Speaker 1>them strange particles very creatively. And then when they discovered

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<v Speaker 1>that the reason they were strange was that they included

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<v Speaker 1>a new kind of cork, they called that the strange cork.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was one that was just particularly charming,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, let's call this one the charm cork.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were saying that every particle, every cork has

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<v Speaker 1>like two cousins or two versions of it. The down

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<v Speaker 1>cork aligns with the strange cork. So then when they thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there must be a fourth cork to balance it out,

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to make it somehow like above the strange

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<v Speaker 1>cork the way like the way up is above the down.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were like, well, what's you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>in that category, but you know higher. So they went

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<v Speaker 1>for charm. And you know, this is where the poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like grasping for some sort of relationship to

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<v Speaker 1>try to describe these weird particles using you know, English,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they did their best, and they came up

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<v Speaker 1>with charm. They thought, charm is too strange. The way

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<v Speaker 1>up is to down. I can see that in like

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<v Speaker 1>an S A T question, you know, up to down

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<v Speaker 1>strangest to obviously charm. That's exactly what we did. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was doing the S A T. And that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we needed particles. And then when they found another one

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<v Speaker 1>and it aligned again with the down cork, they called

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<v Speaker 1>it the bottom, which is not a great moment of creativity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But once they called it the bottom. Then they had

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<v Speaker 1>to call the other one the top, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>find another one will be the lower and the under exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Interestingly, we've actually proven that there are only

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<v Speaker 1>three different flavors of corks. So when we say flavor,

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<v Speaker 1>of course that's what we mean. We mean either this

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<v Speaker 1>first group up and down, or the second group charming, strange,

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<v Speaker 1>or the third group top and bottom. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>three flavors of cork, and they're not strawberry, blueberry and

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<v Speaker 1>vanilla there you know, that first group, the second group,

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<v Speaker 1>in the third group. Okay, So the idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>first you only had to up and down, and you

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<v Speaker 1>discovered more and so suddenly you needed you needed a

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<v Speaker 1>name that tells you that separates all of these different

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the courts. Yeah, and probably somebody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we do? How can we name it? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they like went down for ice cream and they were

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<v Speaker 1>looking at all the different flavors and they were thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things are all similar, but each is a

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<v Speaker 1>little different, you know, And so I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>grasping for something poetic there. They were trying to describe

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<v Speaker 1>how these particles have relationships, but they're each a little

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<v Speaker 1>tweaked version of the other one. And so you know, flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a perfect description, but it's not terrible either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's weird because it's not really a quality. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not really a measurable quality, right, or quantity. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like a category. It's like it's it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>another word for category or another word for um types. Type. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trying to describe basically the type of type or

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships between these three types, right, saying we have

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<v Speaker 1>these three types of things, what's the relationship between them?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, to make it even more complicated, there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually sort of like dueling ways to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people say, oh, there's three flavors of corks. Other

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<v Speaker 1>people say there's three families of corks or three generations

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<v Speaker 1>of corks, because they think that, you know, the cousin

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<v Speaker 1>analogy works better than like the ice cream flavor analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there's debate even within the physics community about

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<v Speaker 1>how good you got to name things. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that nobody can agree on how to call them

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much settles the fact that we didn't do a

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<v Speaker 1>great job naming them. But I guess what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is it's not a property that's like on a spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a you know, like a real flavor sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have something really really sweet or less sweet

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<v Speaker 1>and everything in between. But a flavor for quarks it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really it's really more like strawberry or blueberry. It's quantized. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. You can't be halfway between one type or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. You can't be half up down and half

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<v Speaker 1>top bottom, right, that's not possible. You're either one or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Well, I guess. But then the question is

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<v Speaker 1>do they have flavor? Like is there something about corks

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<v Speaker 1>and they're different flavors that is maybe analogous to real flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a stretch. I mean, corks do have flavor in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that they taste like stuff, Like the last thing

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<v Speaker 1>you ate was made of quarks, and I hope it

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<v Speaker 1>tasted good. But corks themselves, you know, they have no

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<v Speaker 1>inherent flavor in that sense, and this quality that we

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<v Speaker 1>call flavor has, you know, only the most tenuous relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with the quality that you and I think of its flavor. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not like it's something about the way they

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<v Speaker 1>react to other things, or it's not something related to

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<v Speaker 1>how how other particles feel them. It's just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a name they use for like when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the ice cream store and there are different types of

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<v Speaker 1>things to choose from. Yeah, exactly. And again I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's trying to show that they're part of a larger category,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are different elements in that category that they're

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<v Speaker 1>all sold under the same freezer. Yes, exactly. Basically great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're all sort of here altogether, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can order one of them. Yeah, that's about sums it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Quarks are all different varieties of frozen treats, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's flavors. And so let's get into what color

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<v Speaker 1>quarks are, because apparently quarks also have color in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to spin, which they have neither of. But first let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. Quarks also have colors. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>give colors to quirks, And so this one you're telling

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<v Speaker 1>me is a little bit more more than just poetic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this one really does convey something about how

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<v Speaker 1>the property works. The relationships that hasn't really makes the

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<v Speaker 1>more sense if you think about in terms of color,

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<v Speaker 1>and this relates to how the quirks interact with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that these corks are bound together inside a

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<v Speaker 1>proton or inside a neutron, And you might ask, like

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<v Speaker 1>what holds them together? And you're probably familiar with thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about electromagnetism, Like electrons are negative and protons are positive,

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and so they feel these forces. That's will hold the

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>atoms together. Well, what holds a proton and neutron together

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>is a totally different force. It's the strong nuclear force, right,

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 1>and so, and the strong nuclear force is one of

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the four frontamental forces. Right, there's other big forces that

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>make particles push and pull on each other. That's right.

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>We have gravity, we have electromagnetism, we have the strong

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.159
<v Speaker 1>nuclear force, and we have the weak nuclear force. And

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>actually we've already combined the weak nuclear force with electromagnetism.

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>So you can think of it as three sometimes. But

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<v Speaker 1>strong is is its own? Yeah, um, strong is it?

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 1>All this time? I've been saying for you're like decades

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 1>behind the time, man, you should like talk to a

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 1>particle in I think I read that in a book

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>that we wrote, Daniel. I think I added a footnote

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>with that caveat somewhere in that book. Um, yes, it's

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>called the electroc Week because it turns out that the

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>weak nuclear force and electromagnetism are really just two sides

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>of the same coin. That's fascinating. It actually has connected

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to the Higgs boson, which is also really interesting, but

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that on another podcast. But the strong

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>nuclear force stands apart because first of all, it's really strong,

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>but also has this really weird property, unlike electromagnetism, which

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.679
<v Speaker 1>can be like positive or negative. So there's two different

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:34.400
<v Speaker 1>charges there. Um, the strong nuclear force has three different charges, right,

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to add a footnote here that

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<v Speaker 1>I actually agree with the naming criteria you have here

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and that you called it the strong nuclear force because

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 1>it's strong. Like that's a that's simplicity I can stand behind.

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>All Right, I'll let people know that this one has

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>your seal of approval, The NAMERA has approved it. Not

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>official yet, you're still the unofficial namer. Right, let's not

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>jump the gun. But yeah, I'm working on it. I'm

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>getting the paperwork through. Um. Yes, this wrong nuclear force

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 1>has these three different kinds of charges, and you might

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.160
<v Speaker 1>be thinking three that's weird, like this positive and negative?

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>What else could there be? Not zero? Right? But there's

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>three different non zero charges, and so instead of having

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>just sort of one axis with positive and negative, you

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>have to have sort of a weirder image in your

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>mind because there's three different directions you can go from

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>zero instead of two. And by charges you mean like

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's if it's the electromagnetic force, you know,

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>if I'm minus in your minus, we're going to repel

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>each other. Right, So it's kind of like what the

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>terms would never happened? Man, that would never happen? Which

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 1>part that you were both negative when we're repelling each other,

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>because I'm pretty sure we're pretty negative. Suppose well, as

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>long as one of us is positive, it will all

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>work out. Um, But yes, exactly, two negatives repel each

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>other and too positives repel each other. But if so,

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of like a label, you know, like

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 1>it determines what this force is going to do to

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the two of us. Yes, exactly, it's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>label and an electromagnetism. There's two possible labels, positive or negative,

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 1>and as you said, um, the same labels repel and

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 1>opposite labels attract, but in Quinn, in the strong nuclear force,

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>there are three different labels, and the math is kind

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of weird. Like if you have um particles that have

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 1>all three labels and you bring them together, they cancel out,

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>just like if you have an electromagnetism, you have a

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>positive and negative, you bring them together, they cancel out

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>to zero. In in the strong nuclear force, you need

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>one of each of these three different charges to bring

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>them together to get zero. So quarks. When it comes

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to the strong nuclear force, then you can be one

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of three things. And these three things are called color.

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right, we call them color. We call them red, green,

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and blue. And the idea is that that not having

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a color is called white, right, or colorless. The idea

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.959
<v Speaker 1>is that if you add red, green, and blue together,

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>you get white. And so it's try to describe the

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>mathematics of that, right, this weird business where you need

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>one of each of the three things together to cancel

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it all out to get back to zero. The other

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that's like that in our world is color. But wait,

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>let's like a step back and maybe let me understand

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>this a little bit. So if I'm, for example, if

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm one kind of strong charge. Like if I'm red

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>and you're blue, what does that mean between the two

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>of us, are were going to repel each other or

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>attract each other? We're definitely gonna attract each other. Okay,

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>what if I'm like blue and you're green, then we'll

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 1>attract each other? Like what are the rules there between

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the three? Right? And I see where you're going that

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>you want to make this comparison with electrons and protons

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and understand this, Like in terms of attraction and repulsion,

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. But the strong force is just a

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>different kind of beast. It's so powerful that anytime two

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>corks get near each other, any two colored objects, the

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>energy between them generates more quarks and gluons and other

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>colored stuff until they can combine to get something color neutral.

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's different from electromagnetism in another important way. See

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the particle that carries the electromagnetic force, the photon. It's neutral, right,

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't carry a charge itself, So the electron it

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>can emit a photon and still be negatively charged. It

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't change the charge of the electron to emit that

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>photon because the photon is neutral. But the particle that

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>carries a strong force, the gluon. It's not neutral. It

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>carries two different colors. So what does that mean. It

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>means that if a red cork emits a gluon, it

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>changes the color of the cork. So it's like if

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>an electron emits a photon and then becomes an anti

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>electron or something else with a different charge anyway, So

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>for for the color force, it's not as simple as

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>saying two red corks can attract or repel. What happens

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>is that is that they interact like crazy, changing colors

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and shooting gluons everywhere until there's the right combination like

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>red plus green plus blue to become color neutral or white.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the only way the strong force is happy, the

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>only way you can chill out. But you're saying something

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>weird happens when you when there's a you know, there's

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>three of us, and I think this is a safer

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>work podcast here, So let's get into what happens the

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>analogies for three. We're not advocating any of these arrangements

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:12.479
<v Speaker 1>in your personal life, right, what are you doing there?

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Or hey, you're using an analogy to get people to

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>understand it. Right, you're like making trying to avoid this

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>is children listen to this podcast. You're trying to avoid

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>a very obvious and useful analogy. So let's say there's

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>three kids who want to play together, and they're all

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>different charges. You're saying something weird happens, like all the

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>kids will want to attract each other because they're all

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>different and together together, they have no charge, just like

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>if a proton and electron attract each other and they

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>form a bound state, then from the outside they have

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>no charge, Like that's hydrogen. Hydrogen has no net electric charge.

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>If you bring together a red cork, a blue cork,

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and a green cork, that together they have no charge,

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>no color charge. And that's what a proton and a

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>neutron are. Their color lists, but they have colored things

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>inside them. But those things cancel out, so a pleasant

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a minded you saying cancels out to like if I

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>get a proton and an electron together, they they add

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>up to zero. Basically they become nobody wants to be

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>attracted or repelled by the Exactly, they're like a married couple.

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>They're invisible in the dating scene. And in the same

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>way if for color, if you bring together one of

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>each of the charges, except now there's three red, green,

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and blue. Then you get something which has no colored charge. Right,

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's colorless. It doesn't. It's neutral from the point of

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>view of the strong nuclear force. Okay, but what if

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I just get a red and a blue together. What

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>happens then? Then it still has a charge which charge

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>red and blue. Yeah, it's a combination of red and blue,

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and it will will be a glue on Those things

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>will emit a gluon, and gluons carry two different colors.

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>The map gets pretty hairy, but they will attract a

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>green cork, and if they can successfully attract a green cork,

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>then it will be neutral. So they like being in threes. Yes,

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>because the strong nuclear force is so powerful that nature

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>tries to make everything have no net color because things,

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>because it's so powerful than anything that has color automatically

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>just like creates particles out of the vacuum to balance

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>that color out. Because there's so much energy in the

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>strong nuclear force. And that's why we can't see quirks

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>on their own, because they have a cork color and

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>there's so much energy in that color, in that that

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>colored field that it pulls um new corks out of

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the vacuum to balance it out. So that's what happens.

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>If I get a red and a blue together, like

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>a green will magically appear, not magically scientifically, poetically, a

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>green will disappear. Yeah, the energy of their interaction will

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>get converted into the mass of another cork, and then

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>it will be complete. And then it will be complete. Yeah,

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and then it'll stop generating new particles out of the

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>vacuum because that it will be colorless. But there's another way.

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>There's another way you can be colorless. Like if you're

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a red cork, then if you meet up with an

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 1>anti red cork, Like you know, corks have anti particles,

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>right quarks and antiquarks, well, antiquarks have anti color. So

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>red and anti red together make white, and then what

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>happens to them They disappear or what you know? They

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>can form bound states. And we have particles that have

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>just two corks in them. They're called like pions. Pions

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>are examples of like an up cork and an anti

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>up cork bound together. That only works if that cork

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>is like green and the other one is anti green

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>or blue and anti blue or red and anti red.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought antimatter when you touch it would matter if

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>they annihilate and explode. It can yeah, but it can

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>also form bound states. This book we read is totally wrong.

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Daniel turns out there's a whole field behind that, right,

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>just scratch the surface um in the same way that

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, like positive negative charges can annihilate, but they

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>can also form bound states like hydrogen right, just the

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>same way. Like two things that feel gravity, like the

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Earth and the Moon feel gravity towards each other, but

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>they don't necessarily automatically crash because there's so much energy

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>in the Moon's orbit that it's stable. Right, So even

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>even though there are there are forces between them that

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>want to pull the Earth and the Moon together, the

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Moon is in a stable orbit. In the same way

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>electrons can be in a stable orbit around a proton

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>even though there's a force pulling them together. And up

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>corks and anti upcorks can form stable particles together. Well,

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the point is that you're that you're trying

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to make is that because when you have three cores

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of the different flavors and you bring them together, they

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of cancel each other out. That's sort of like

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>different colors. You're saying, that's sort of like when you

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>get color, like real like a like a red light

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and a blue light and a green light, you're going

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to see that as a white light exactly exactly it's

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it should work the same. I mean, I'm not an

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>expert on color. I defer to you as the artist. Um,

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>but that's the idea that the math of cork color,

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the way they add up, is very similar to the

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>math of these real color, the colors of light. And

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>so that's why they named it color. Not because these

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>corks actually look like anything. Red corks are not redder

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>than than green corks, but that the math of how

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>color works when you put them together is very similar

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to the math of or how we think about how

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.879
<v Speaker 1>light adds up the color of light. Okay, so that

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.959
<v Speaker 1>does seem um more appropriately poetic maybe is the word

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>for it, but I mean it is still it is

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>still I would say a little suspicious to name a

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon in physics using an analogy from another phenomenon in physics,

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>which is how light of different frequencies mixed together and

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>get processed by our eyeballs. You know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. Yeah, absolutely, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>this one there was some poetry there I really do

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate because when I was learning about this for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time as a graduate student, the analogy of color

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<v Speaker 1>really did help me understand it. I thought, oh, it

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<v Speaker 1>really is light color. That's pretty cool, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>helped me understand it. And then I went further and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, maybe there is a deeper connection, because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when being are similar in the mathematical structure mimics

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>each other, then there really is a deeper connection. Like

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<v Speaker 1>with spin, right, we talked about how intrinsic spin is

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<v Speaker 1>really another kind of orbital angular momentum um. There really

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<v Speaker 1>is a connection there, But in this case, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there is. I don't think there's really anything any

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<v Speaker 1>connection between quirk color and photon frequency that makes any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a helpful guide for building the construct in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind, because I think that the combination of red, green,

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<v Speaker 1>and blue to make white is really just a human

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<v Speaker 1>perception thing, right, Like, like if you actually take a

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<v Speaker 1>photon that's red and a photon that's green and a

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>photon that's blue, they're not gonna suddenly become another photon

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<v Speaker 1>that's white. Color because there is no white frequency. That's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's a product of like of how your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes sees color, right, all right, So then that means

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<v Speaker 1>quarks do sort of have a color. They don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have a flavor flavor, but they do sort of have

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<v Speaker 1>some something that is sort of like color. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so weird and so odd that it really

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<v Speaker 1>is helpful to draw on something familiar, to say, this

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<v Speaker 1>new property of of particles we've never seen before is

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>weird and bizarre and strange, but we have something familiar,

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<v Speaker 1>um that you can use to base your understanding on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's pretty helpful. So those are quarks

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<v Speaker 1>and flavors. Now here's a question though, Can you have

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<v Speaker 1>a red raspberry? Like technically you could have a like

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<v Speaker 1>a red cork. Can be different flavors, Yes, that's true.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>You can have red top corks or red upcorks or

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<v Speaker 1>red charmp corks. For sure. You can have red raspberry

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<v Speaker 1>or red blueberry. I mean I were totally mixing enough

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<v Speaker 1>a red strawberry, I don't know a red blueberry cord. Well,

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 1>they have blue raspberry, right, That's a thing I never

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>understood that I mean, there are red blackberries and black

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>raspberries and black and red blackberries, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we should get on the biologists because they

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>can name those berries pretty confusingly. Also, well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the the overall conclusion is that scientists maybe should have

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>been charged with namean things not without adult supervision at least. Right. Well,

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I hope that there's that question for the people who

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 1>wrote in with that UM asking for that explanation. Yeah.

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I think people were reading about corks and seeing this

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>thing with flower flavors and colors and wondering what does

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<v Speaker 1>that really mean? And I think on the whole it's

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<v Speaker 1>confusing if you don't understand the technical aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes people think of the familiar flavor and

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<v Speaker 1>color that that they have in their mind already. But

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<v Speaker 1>once you dig into a little bit, you start to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate UM. If you if you think of it as

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of a placeholder or a guide for how

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<v Speaker 1>to think about this, you can appreciate what the physicists

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to do. But on the whole, I think

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>these physics words borrowed from other concepts are more confusing

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<v Speaker 1>than they are helpful for the for the beginning student

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>or the person just reading about a topic. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the lesson. If physics confuses you, take a class um.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.680
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