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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com The Giants Podcast. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giant Hubtle Podcast. John Schmulk pulled the tino with

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Speaker 1: you as we continue to profile candidates for the Giants

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Speaker 1: head coaching position. Today, we're gonna talk about Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: who was just let go his head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, interviewing with the New York Football Giants to

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Speaker 1: talk about it from OutKick dot Com, their senior NFL writer,

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Speaker 1: that is Armando Salgaro front of the program. Armando, you

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Speaker 1: got smoking the tino up here. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: the time, man. I'm sure it's a lot warmer down

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Speaker 1: there in Miami than it is up here. But tell

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Speaker 1: us why things maybe got a little hot for blind

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Speaker 1: floor is at the end of his tenure with the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins and why he is no longer their head coach

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Speaker 1: before we get into what he did while he was there. Absolutely, so,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me on. Gentlemen. It's

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Speaker 1: always great to be a friend of the program. Um

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Speaker 1: As to Brian, he wasn't a friend of the program

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Speaker 1: in Miami at the end of his tenure, obviously, We

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Speaker 1: know this because owner Stephen Ross, inciting the reason that

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Speaker 1: he moved on from Brian Flores, said that the organization

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Speaker 1: was not collaborating, was not working out with relationships among

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Speaker 1: you know, the top brass on the football side, which

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Speaker 1: obviously included Flores. And so for that reason, because you

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Speaker 1: kind of need everyone rowing in the same direction to

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Speaker 1: get upstream in the a f C. East, uh, Flora's

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Speaker 1: was the odd man out. General manager Chris Greer stayed,

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Speaker 1: they obviously had disagreements over quarterback to a tunka VLA

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Speaker 1: and what his future might bring, and so therefore Uh

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Speaker 1: the owner went with the general manager Raz and the

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Speaker 1: head coach, who, by the way, had two winning seasons

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Speaker 1: the last two seasons. We all mind, don't I think

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Speaker 1: that actually begs the other side of the coin that

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Speaker 1: has to be asked here? What is it that Flores

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Speaker 1: know good. They weren't a playoff team either one of

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Speaker 1: were in the conversation. They weren't irrelevant. In other words,

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Speaker 1: what do you think it is about his coaching style?

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Speaker 1: And though that allowed the Dolphins to improve like that

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Speaker 1: Just why do you think with the way he coached

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Speaker 1: the team it tends to go that way? Brian Flores.

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Speaker 1: Throughout his tenure in Miami, he put you know, typically

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Speaker 1: A bout of line, one more thing from me Ormando.

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Speaker 1: it affected to his confidence to a degree, um, and

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Speaker 1: for example, John Harbaugh Lamar Jackson struggled a lot his

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Speaker 1: you know, just didn't want to mess with his confidence. Um.

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Speaker 1: Flora's didn't have a problem with it, apparently, But I

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Speaker 1: think that was a mistake. Armando, great stuff, by friend.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us as you always do with us. We appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you real soon, all right, all right, Jan,

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Speaker 1: it's my pleasure. That's Armando Saulgara again il kick dot com,

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Speaker 1: their senior NFL writer. We thank them for joining us

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