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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to George Nori with you, Craig Weiler

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Speaker 2: with us. Craig, the science of parapsychology is it difficult

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Speaker 2: to prove.

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Speaker 3: It's actually not, it's although the answer to that is

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Speaker 3: a little bit complicated because of how science works. So

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Speaker 3: parapsychology is typically a what they call it statistical science.

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Speaker 3: In other words, you test something based upon whether it

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Speaker 3: beats chance results. So for example, if you were picking

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Speaker 3: one out of five cards and you did that better

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Speaker 3: than one out of five, then something is going on, right,

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Speaker 3: You're if you're doing better than one out of five,

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Speaker 3: when you have five choices and you're doing better than that,

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Speaker 3: then you're doing something what they call anomalous.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing three out of five, right, you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Three out of five, you're doing something. And that's something

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Speaker 3: is what they call psychicability, and that's how they prove

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Speaker 3: it by doing statistics. You know, if you're beating chance results,

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Speaker 3: then something is happening. And since we're testing for psychic ability,

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Speaker 3: that's what that is.

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Speaker 2: What experiments have been conducted to test.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you talk about experiments, it gets kind

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Speaker 3: of complicated because the objective is to cut out all

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Speaker 3: the things that might interfere. So, you know, let's just

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Speaker 3: take something relatively simple like the gun stuff. This is

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Speaker 3: a telepathy test that I mentioned earlier. So you have

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Speaker 3: a sender and you have a receiver. They're in completely

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Speaker 3: different rooms, far away from each other, so that they

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Speaker 3: can't talk, they can't pass messages, they can't do anything

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Speaker 3: to connect with each other. The sender gets four choices

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Speaker 3: of pictures to send to the receiver, and the receiver

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Speaker 3: just basically sits in this space where they can't really

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Speaker 3: see anything, they can't really feel anything. It's just sort

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Speaker 3: of this sensory deprivation kind of state, and they just

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Speaker 3: sort of let their mind wander and they if they're

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Speaker 3: getting images, then they talk it out so that somebody

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Speaker 3: can record that, and then when they're all done, somebody

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Speaker 3: else the judge will look at whether what they described

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Speaker 3: was actually what the person was sending. Out of those

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Speaker 3: four tries, which one was the closest. And so that's

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Speaker 3: a typical experiment.

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Speaker 2: Right there that improves what.

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Speaker 3: If the person is better than one out of four

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Speaker 3: and they're sending this message and this person's receiving it

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Speaker 3: more often than one out of four times, then that

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Speaker 3: demonstrates that telepathy is actually happening. They're actually sending the

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Speaker 3: picture mentally because if.

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Speaker 2: You beat one out of four, beyond luck.

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Speaker 3: Right, and typically this experiment will be around thirty two

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Speaker 3: to thirty three percent, sometimes up to thirty.

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Speaker 2: Four, and that it is parapsychology considered it controversial.

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Speaker 3: It is, and it's mostly it's not because of the

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Speaker 3: science itself, because every time somebody criticizes it, they really

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Speaker 3: can't say it, and that's kind of where they go

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Speaker 3: with it. There are some criticisms of experiments, but once

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Speaker 3: you look at the criticisms, they don't really hold up well.

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Speaker 3: But it continues to be something that nobody wants to

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Speaker 3: nobody wants to engage with or talk about, and it's

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Speaker 3: just it's very, very slow getting it out into the mainstream.

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Speaker 3: It's happening, but it's it is very snail's pace, and

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Speaker 3: it's because people resist, uh the ideas of what happened.

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Speaker 3: What is this universe like if psychic ability exists and

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Speaker 3: it's much different from what they think it is.

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Speaker 2: How do you find the stories for your paranormal daily news.

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Speaker 3: Well, for me personally, I use the Parapsychological Association conferences

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Speaker 3: to see what they've what they've done, because they'll have

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Speaker 3: their conference and a lot of papers will be presented

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Speaker 3: and that will and these papers will and also the

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Speaker 3: their lectures will tell me what, you know, what's been

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Speaker 3: discovered recently? Uh and in what are they up to?

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Speaker 3: So some of this stuff is kind of dry, like,

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Speaker 3: for example, the one when one researcher gathered absolutely every

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Speaker 3: every paper and scientific information on that had been printed

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Speaker 3: on physical mediumship. He just collected it all, got it

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Speaker 3: his project. Another person did much the same thing. I

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Speaker 3: can't remember. I think it was with remote viewing where

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Speaker 3: they were gathering all the different studies together because this

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Speaker 3: dates back fifty sixty years of stuff that needed cataloging.

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Speaker 3: And then you have other people that for example, there

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Speaker 3: was one set of people that tested whether parapsychology researchers

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Speaker 3: and skeptics think alike. So they did a study on that.

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Speaker 3: There was something on remote viewing. And these are really

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, when I write about stuff, I

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Speaker 3: look at what can I what sort of this stuff

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Speaker 3: so from this lift, I pick and choose what I

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Speaker 3: think I can what I can give to the public

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Speaker 3: that's relatable.

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Speaker 2: You think if there were a poll taken in the

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Speaker 2: belief of parapsychology, it would be higher, medium or low.

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Speaker 2: Now this audience would be extremely high.

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Speaker 3: So Gallup did a poll I think in two thousand

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Speaker 3: done the poll, it's been pretty consistent. Is about seventy

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Speaker 3: five percent of the population has some sort of a

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Speaker 3: paranormal belief they believe in something, and then some around

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Speaker 3: ten or fifteen percent or don't believe in anything at all.

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Speaker 3: And that number doesn't really change over.

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Speaker 2: Time at all.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, a little bit here and there, but

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Speaker 3: you know, it might go from it might drop from

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Speaker 3: move much. That needle pretty much stays the same. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's because people have experiences, and if they

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Speaker 3: have an experience that they realize is psychic, then they

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Speaker 3: tend to believe in that particular side of psychic ability,

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Speaker 3: but not necessarily other ones.

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Speaker 2: Craig, what does it tell you about parapsychology and the

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Speaker 2: human body, the fact that it happens.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the human body. What parapsychology has

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Speaker 3: shown me is that what you think, how your mind works,

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Speaker 3: what stays in your mind all the time, has a

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Speaker 3: massive effect on your body that really there's almost no

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Speaker 3: difference between them. You can tell by how how you're feeling,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a chronic illness or whether you're a healthy

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Speaker 3: person or whatever. This is a mirror of what's going

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Speaker 3: on in your mind, and there's really not a lot

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Speaker 3: of difference between the two. That that line is very blurry.

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Speaker 3: If that's that's a major thing that has shown me

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Speaker 3: that you know, for example, for myself, when I'm having

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Speaker 3: poor health, there's an emotional issue involved, and if you

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Speaker 3: if you dive in and you can unlock that emotion

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Speaker 3: in the mind that occurs, but also the body.

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Speaker 2: Do you think parapsychology works outside of the mind.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's been shown in scientific testing, so psychic ability.

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Speaker 3: They've demonstrated that telekinesis is the thing that they're actually

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Speaker 2: Uh that's moving objects.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, moving objects. Uh, You're you're you're creating something outside

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Speaker 3: doing it deliberately, it's generally when they tested, it's a

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Speaker 3: very very small effect. But you know, we've all heard

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Speaker 3: stories of people doing something far more incredible with their minds.

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Speaker 3: There's there's all kinds of documentations of poltergeist. Stuff is

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Speaker 3: literally flying around the room. Uh so yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: the the mind is definitely operating outside of the physical

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Speaker 3: body and stuff's going on. How much we really don't know.

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Speaker 2: It is tremendously enlightening when it works, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know it's it's it's kind of like

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Speaker 3: if you're doing sports and you're in the zone, how

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Speaker 3: you just kind of you in a flow and everything

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Speaker 3: just seems easy and natural and effortless. And that's kind

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Speaker 3: of how psychic ability works. You have to kind of

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Speaker 2: There are so many things outside of humankind knowledge that

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Speaker 2: just is just mind boggling, isn't it, Craig, I think so.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the when you look at the

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're dealing with the mind, you know,

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Speaker 3: science can only deal with what it can measure. If

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Speaker 3: you can't measure it, science has nothing to say about it.

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Speaker 3: And that's an important thing that you have to understand,

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Speaker 3: it has that limitation that we're only doing things that

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Speaker 3: we can measure. So therefore, if something is unmeasurable, whether

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Speaker 3: and that includes what you're feeling and what you're experiencing,

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Speaker 3: you really can't address that scientifically. We don't know what's

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Speaker 3: So we don't and because reality is coming out of

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Speaker 2: Why are some people more psychically inclined than others?

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Speaker 3: That's an excellent question, and I think part of it

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Speaker 3: when they're closer to their emotions, they might have less

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Speaker 3: For example, one of the one group that is one

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Speaker 3: people who have lost their spouse, who have you know who,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they die right after that. Yeah, but broken heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's usually the men for some women seem

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Speaker 2: When you wrote your book cy Wars back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: what was your rationale for that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have this, I had this scientific controversy that

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Speaker 3: Rupert Childrake was just a perfect way to do that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think peeris psychology will one day prove

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Speaker 3: Well, if the rest of the sciences are willing to

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Speaker 3: And then once that's proven, it's a very short hop

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Speaker 3: to demonstrate that consciousness is fundamental to reality. That it's

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Speaker 3: that our minds are literally a fundamental part of the universe.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not this, it's not this thing that's only

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Speaker 3: stuck inside of our brain, our heads and then dies

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Speaker 3: when we die. It's the living thing. And I think

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Speaker 3: that'll when we make that leap, it'll completely change things.

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Speaker 2: Is it tied into the universe or even beyond that.

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Speaker 3: The way to describe it is the mind isn't just

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Speaker 3: tied into the universe. The mind is part of it.

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Speaker 3: In the universe is part of it. It's a very

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Speaker 3: difficult concept because you're talking about something that's beyond space

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Speaker 3: of space and time that holistic approach is very, very

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Speaker 3: foreign to us. But the fact is that we are

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Speaker 3: as much as the universe as the universe is us.

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Speaker 3: In other words, we create, the universe creates, and we're

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Speaker 3: all part of the same thing.

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