WEBVTT - S04 Episode 5: Pre-Sense

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<v Speaker 1>In ancient Greece, the pytheas, the high priestesses of the

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<v Speaker 1>Temple of Apollo who served as his oracles at Delphi,

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<v Speaker 1>were thought to originally have been young children, ideally farmers daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>who were chosen for their perceived purity and innocence. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a common theme in the history of divination found

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<v Speaker 1>in many cultures. In ancient Rome, for example, it was

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<v Speaker 1>often the task of children to perform the drawing of lots,

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<v Speaker 1>a process used to determine the will of the gods

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<v Speaker 1>by the reading of small tablets, usually made of wood,

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<v Speaker 1>that were thrown into water. Classicist Sarah Illis Johnston of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio University attributes this to the strongly held belief that

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<v Speaker 1>children were simply able to see gods, demons, and ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>that other people could not, a skill that they would

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<v Speaker 1>invariably lose once they grew up. Needless to say, such

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<v Speaker 1>a notion is a popular one in the culture of

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<v Speaker 1>the paranormal, and unexplained. For a start, there is something

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<v Speaker 1>inherently unnerving about young children being privy to things that

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<v Speaker 1>adults are not, But also this idea plays into the

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<v Speaker 1>common narrative that adulthood somehow robs us of the innocence, imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>and openness of the senses that are thought required to

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<v Speaker 1>see such things. I have explored this idea previously on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast with regards to the apparent UFO sightings in

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<v Speaker 1>the Welsh town of broad Haven in nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the book in the chapter concerning the apparent

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<v Speaker 1>UFO sighting at a school in rural Zimbabwe in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four. In both cases, a group of school children

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<v Speaker 1>claim to have seen an unusual craft land at the

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<v Speaker 1>back of their playground. When later called on to draw

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of what they had witnessed, many of their images

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<v Speaker 1>contained striking similarities, despite the children having had little to

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<v Speaker 1>no time to confer on what they had apparently seen.

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<v Speaker 1>But by far the most unnerving of this trope are

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<v Speaker 1>those of the sixth sense variety. In m night Shire

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<v Speaker 1>Marlin's iconic nineteen ninety nine film of the same name,

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<v Speaker 1>the young boy Cole Seer claimed to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see dead people. Back in nineteen eighty nine, just outside

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Columbus in Georgia. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>another young child was claiming exactly the same thing you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to, unexplained and I'm Richard McClane Smith. Wolf, cried

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi from the back door. The young girl scanned the

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<v Speaker 1>yard again, now completely covered from three days of snow,

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<v Speaker 1>but saw no sign of the dog anywhere. Mummy, she asked,

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<v Speaker 1>turning to the twenty one year old Lisa, who was

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<v Speaker 1>busy making lunch in the kitchen. Where did Wolf go?

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably in his kennel, she replied, Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>go and take a look. Heidi was almost four years

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<v Speaker 1>old and loved nothing more than playing about in the

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<v Speaker 1>snow with her puppy, a recent moving in present from

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<v Speaker 1>her parents. This was the first time he hadn't come

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<v Speaker 1>running to her when she called his name. After trying

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<v Speaker 1>one more time but getting no response, she zipped up

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<v Speaker 1>her jacket, grabbed her toboggin, and headed out into the

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<v Speaker 1>garden to find him. Lisa watched from the window with

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<v Speaker 1>a smile as her daughter trudged out in the snow,

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<v Speaker 1>pulling her empty sled behind her as she went back outside. Heidi,

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<v Speaker 1>having now reached the kennel, peered inside to take a look,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no sign of her dog anywhere. Just

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<v Speaker 1>then she noticed Wolf's footprints in the snow, heading back

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<v Speaker 1>toward the house. Heidi followed them all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of the porch, where they veered off to

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<v Speaker 1>the side and disappeared underneath it. Ducking her head under

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<v Speaker 1>to get a better look, Heidi finally spotted him. Wolf,

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<v Speaker 1>there you are coming out of there, But Wolf, who

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<v Speaker 1>was backed in as far as he could go, refused

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<v Speaker 1>to budge, as if he were too afraid to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Just then, Heidi felt a prey behind her back. In

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, Lisa was putting lunch on the table when

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter came rushing back inside. Can I go and

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<v Speaker 1>play with mister Gordy, she asked. Lisa looked confused. Who

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<v Speaker 1>is mister Gordy? She said, The man with the shiny

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<v Speaker 1>black shoes, said Heidi. Lisa, now suddenly concerned, asked her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter to confirm again if a man had just approached

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<v Speaker 1>her in the garden. Yes, mister Gordy, he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>push me on the swing, said Heidi. In a panic.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa ran to the window but saw no sign of

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<v Speaker 1>anybody outside. Then, ordering Heidi to sit at the table,

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<v Speaker 1>she hurriedly locked the front door and pulled down the

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<v Speaker 1>blinds before calling her husband Andy. Andy who was at

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<v Speaker 1>work a short drive away, told Lisa to they put

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<v Speaker 1>until he could get there. Lisa knew there was every

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<v Speaker 1>chance she could be overreacting, but it was always better

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<v Speaker 1>to play it safe than sorry under such circumstances. So

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<v Speaker 1>who was this mister Gordy asked Lisa, nervously, looking out

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<v Speaker 1>the window as Heidi sat nonchinantly eating her lunch in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the TV. Well, he's quite old, with white hair,

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<v Speaker 1>she said. He only wanted to push me on the swing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what he was wearing, asked Lisa. Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>thought for a moment. He had a big hat and

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<v Speaker 1>smart clothes, just like what the people wear at church. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>taking the remote, turned down the TV and asked her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter if she had ever seen this mister Gordi before. No,

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<v Speaker 1>said Heidi, but he said he would be back. When

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty two year old Andy finally arrived home twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later, he made a quick scout of the area,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for any sign of an old man in smart

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<v Speaker 1>clothes with white hair, but found nobody resembling that description.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Wirecks first moved to Harris County in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of nineteen eighty eight, they couldn't have been more ecstatic.

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<v Speaker 1>This quiet district in southwest Georgia had a reputation as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more sought after counties in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>The young couple had never imagined they would ever be

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<v Speaker 1>able to afford a house there until one day Lisa's parents,

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<v Speaker 1>driving just outside the town of Ellerslie, noticed a property

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<v Speaker 1>up for auction. The three and a half bedroom ranch

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<v Speaker 1>house had come on to the market unexpectedly the previous

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<v Speaker 1>owners abandoned it without any explanation. Realizing they might have

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<v Speaker 1>a steel on their hands, they convinced Lisa and Andy

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<v Speaker 1>to take a look. Though the house would ordinarily have

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<v Speaker 1>been out of their price range, the couple put in

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<v Speaker 1>a bid of what they could afford and left it

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<v Speaker 1>at that, assuming they wouldn't get it. A few weeks later, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they were amazed to find they had won. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a few months after they had moved in in February

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine, that Heidi had her first encounter with

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<v Speaker 1>mister Gordy. After the initial fear at the thought of

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<v Speaker 1>someone trying to abduct her daughter, Lisa soon came to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that mister Gordy was nothing but an imaginary friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the weeks and months that followed, she would often

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<v Speaker 1>overhear Heidi talking to someone in her room, only to

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<v Speaker 1>find her sitting alone on the floor playing with her dolls.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever she asked who her daughter was talking to, each time,

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<v Speaker 1>without fail, came the inevitable reply, why mister Gordy. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes Lisa would watch her daughter having tea parties on

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<v Speaker 1>the lawn, laughing and talking as if someone else was

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<v Speaker 1>out there with her. Other times, she would head off

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<v Speaker 1>to play on the big tree swing at the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the garden, her arm held high in the air

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<v Speaker 1>as if she were holding someone's hand. Lisa marveled at

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<v Speaker 1>the inventiveness of it all, just pleased that her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>seemed happy, and soon she was even playing along herself,

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<v Speaker 1>preparing lunch and snacks for Heidi to share with the

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<v Speaker 1>enigmatic mister Gordy. Each time Lisa would come to clean

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<v Speaker 1>up their plates, mister Gordy's food would remain untouched. Then

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<v Speaker 1>one afternoon, as Lisa was tidying some clothes away, Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>came running into her parents' bedroom in a panic. Mummy,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, there's a man at the door covered in blood.

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<v Speaker 1>His hand is hurt. Lisa ran straight to the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the house, only to find the front door completely open,

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<v Speaker 1>but no sign of anyone outside, Shutting the door and

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<v Speaker 1>locking it immediately, Lisa told Heidi to stay where she

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<v Speaker 1>could see her. Was this mister Gordie, she asked her daughter. Heidi,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the fear in her mother's eyes, withdrew slightly and

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<v Speaker 1>turning her own eyes to the floor, shook her head.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was con she said, And she really saw

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<v Speaker 1>a man standing there. Yes, said Heidi, nodding nervously. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that night, Lisa recounted the story to Andy. Both knew

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<v Speaker 1>full well it was nothing but Heidie's imagination. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing, thought Lisa, whenever she spoke about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Be it the man with the blood on his shirt

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<v Speaker 1>or mister Gordie, she seemed so convinced they were real.

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<v Speaker 1>Just then, a distant scream punctured the quiet of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>followed moments later by Heidie bursting into her parent's room.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a man in my room, she cried. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>like the other ones. Lisa grabbed her daughter, Miss Andy

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<v Speaker 1>bolted from the bed and ran straight to Heidie's bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>Switching on the lights. He looked everywhere for any sign

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<v Speaker 1>of an intruder, but there was nothing, and the front

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<v Speaker 1>door was still locked from the inside. As Heidie would

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<v Speaker 1>later describe it, this new figure wasn't a man so

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<v Speaker 1>much as just the sense of a body dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>a hooded top. This was now the third figure she

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<v Speaker 1>had reported seeing, but unlike the other two, this one

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<v Speaker 1>That's teladoc dot com slash Unexplained Podcast. Over the next

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, Heidi continued to report the sighting of a

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<v Speaker 1>menacing figure in a hood moving about the house where

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa and Andy had been happy to indulge her games

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<v Speaker 1>with mister Gordy. This latest development had left their daughter

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<v Speaker 1>too scared to sleep in her own room. Hoping it

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<v Speaker 1>was all just a phase, they did their best to

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<v Speaker 1>reassure her no one was really there, but secretly, Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>had begun to wonder if there wasn't something more to

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<v Speaker 1>it all. Raised a strict Christian, she was no stranger

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<v Speaker 1>to the notion of demons and ghosts. What if this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just in Heidee's imagination, she thought? In desperation, Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>turned to her older sister, Joyce Kathy for support, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the house next door was put up for sale

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<v Speaker 1>later in the year, she was overjoyed when Joyce Cathy

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to buy it, having seen how worried her sister

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<v Speaker 1>was becoming and keen to spend more time with her niece,

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce Cathy was happy to do it. It was shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after moving in that she received a visit from the

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<v Speaker 1>house's former owner, Katherine Leadford. Catherine had wanted to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce Kathy to the neighborhood, but also to drop off

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<v Speaker 1>some of the final papers from the sale. Going through

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<v Speaker 1>them together that afternoon, Joyce Cathy was struck by a

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<v Speaker 1>name written on one of the contracts, James S. Gordie.

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<v Speaker 1>Realizing it was the same name as Heidee's apparent imaginary friend,

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<v Speaker 1>she asked Katherine if she knew who he was. As

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out, Gordy was an old friend of Catherine's

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<v Speaker 1>family who took care of all their legal matters. Feeling

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly defensive, Joyce Cathy asked where this James Gordy lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible her family might have seen him around? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thought Catherine for a moment. He used to live a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes drive away, But I'm afraid he's been dead

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty five years. Later, as Catherine gathered her things

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, Joyce Cathy asked her if she could describe

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<v Speaker 1>what Gordy looked like around the time when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose he was quite old by then, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>with a full head of white hair. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>always smartly dressed in a nice dark suit. That evening,

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce Cathy told Lisa and Andy about her conversation with Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>wondering if there was any way that Heidi could have

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<v Speaker 1>overheard or seen something about mister Gordy. But neither could

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<v Speaker 1>think of anything. Perhaps it was all just a coincidence,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought. Unable to let it go, however, the following day,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa made her way to the local library and requested

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<v Speaker 1>to see the papers from nineteen seventy four. Sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the monitor, moments later, she scrolled through the

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<v Speaker 1>microfilm until she came across the man's obituary. Sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>there it was James Scarborough Gordy, caretaker of a number

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<v Speaker 1>of local properties, who died aged eighty six in September

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four. Back home, later, as Heidee was sat

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<v Speaker 1>playing with her dolls, Lisa asked her again about where

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<v Speaker 1>she got the name Gordi from. Heidi ignored her for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment as she continued to play, then, without looking up,

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<v Speaker 1>said simply that he had told it to her himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But mister Gordie isn't real, explained her mother. Heidi stopped playing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is real, she insisted, he's standing right next

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Eager to get to the bottom of it all,

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<v Speaker 1>and now increasingly more spooked by the day, Lisa hashed

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<v Speaker 1>a plan after explaining to Catherine Leadford what had been

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<v Speaker 1>going on, they arranged for Heidi to go to Catherine's

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<v Speaker 1>home and take a look at some old family photographs

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<v Speaker 1>to see if she might recognize anyone. One by one,

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<v Speaker 1>they flicked through the old black and white stills, stepping

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<v Speaker 1>back years into the life of Katherine and her family.

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<v Speaker 1>Arriving at the last few, Heide's eyes suddenly widened. There,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, pointing to a young man standing at the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the frame with a bandage wrapped all around

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<v Speaker 1>his hand. That's con the man with the blood on

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<v Speaker 1>his shirt. Lisa looked expectantly to Catherine, who couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>what she was hearing. Well, she said, taking the photo

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<v Speaker 1>for a closer look, that there is my uncle, not

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<v Speaker 1>con exactly, but Lon Lon Bachelor. Lon had been dead

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen fifty seven. As she went on to explain

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<v Speaker 1>and back when he was twenty years old, he lost

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<v Speaker 1>his hand in a cotton gin accident. Lisa gasped, that's him,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, to Catherine's one of the people she's been seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>Heading back to their home, Lisa was now convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>this was more than just a game of make believe.

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<v Speaker 1>But worse than that, she thought, what if something sinister

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<v Speaker 1>was at play. After the visit to Catherine, Lisa and

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<v Speaker 1>Andy stayed up late discussing the permutations of what could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be taking place, when that scream rang out again

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<v Speaker 1>from Heide's room. Moments later, the door burst open and

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<v Speaker 1>Heidee raced onto the bed. She'd seen the faceless figure

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<v Speaker 1>again and now her face was hurting. Lisa switched on

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<v Speaker 1>the light and cried out in shock. There raked across

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter's cheek were three deep and bloody scratch marks.

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<v Speaker 1>Having seen enough, the family gathered some things and drove

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<v Speaker 1>immediately to Lisa's parents' house to spend the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the night. The following day, the family returned to their home,

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<v Speaker 1>determined to confront their fears. Whatever they were dealing with,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no use in panicking, and they certainly weren't

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<v Speaker 1>free to move anytime soon. They would just have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait it out and hope that things improved. A few

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<v Speaker 1>nights later, as the family slept, Andy tossed and turned

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<v Speaker 1>in his sleep, suddenly bursting awake. After a moment of confusion,

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<v Speaker 1>he realized he was just having a nightmare, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he felt the searing pain running up his side. Rushing

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom, he switched on the light and pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up his t shirt. Turning his side toward the mirror,

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<v Speaker 1>he gasped in horror at the sight of three fresh

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<v Speaker 1>gashes up the side of his body. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>denying it any more. It was time to seek proper help.

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<v Speaker 1>Unsure where to start, Lisa tried the library again, where

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<v Speaker 1>it was suggested to her that she contact doctor William Rowell,

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<v Speaker 1>a psychologist based at the University of West Georgia. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Rowell also happened to be one of the country's leading

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<v Speaker 1>authorities on apparent parapsychological phenomena. Growing up in Denmark, Roll

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<v Speaker 1>who was born in Germany in nineteen twenty six, became

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<v Speaker 1>convinced he was having regular out of body experiences. This

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<v Speaker 1>awakened an interest in parapsychology that took him first to

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<v Speaker 1>Berkeley and later to Oxford University, where he became president

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<v Speaker 1>of the university's Society of Psychical Research. Back when the

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<v Speaker 1>study of parapsychology was still indulged by many leading academic institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Roll was a leading proponent of the subject. Though

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<v Speaker 1>Roll kept an open mind with regards to the causes

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<v Speaker 1>of paranormal phenomena, it was his ultimate belief that if

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<v Speaker 1>there was anything of substance to them, they would prove

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<v Speaker 1>to be of a rational, scientific nature, as opposed to supernatural.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wireck's case, however, was unlike anything he had come

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<v Speaker 1>across before. After arriving at the Wireck's home one afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>the erudite role began by conducting a series of interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with the family to ascertain the veracity of their story.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to Heidi speaking, in particular, he was struck by

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<v Speaker 1>the consistency and level of detail in her recollections. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>the manner in which she spoke about the various figures

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<v Speaker 1>she had encountered seemed to suggest that she had no

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<v Speaker 1>concept of them being apparitions or ghosts at all, but

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<v Speaker 1>rather they were as real to her as anything else

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<v Speaker 1>in her life. Afterwards, Doctor Rowell had a surprise for

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<v Speaker 1>the family. He had managed to track down a photograph

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<v Speaker 1>of the deceased James Gordi and asked Lisa if you

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<v Speaker 1>might present it to Heidi to see if she might

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<v Speaker 1>recognize who it was. Eager to see the results herself,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa gladly let him proceed. Taking the pictures from his bag,

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<v Speaker 1>He placed them on the table and asked Heidi to

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<v Speaker 1>pick them up one by one and to take her

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<v Speaker 1>time to study each of them before moving on to

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<v Speaker 1>the next. Each photograph bore a portrait of a man

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<v Speaker 1>in similar age and appearance to Gordi. Heidi picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the first photo, gave it a long look, and then

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<v Speaker 1>moved it to the side. She repeated this process for

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<v Speaker 1>the first nine pictures until finally she came to the

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<v Speaker 1>last one. That's him. She said, that's mister Gordy. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Roll turned the photo around and picked it up. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the photograph of James Gordy. Staggered by Heide's story

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<v Speaker 1>and the correct identification of James Gordy, Doctor Role began

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<v Speaker 1>immediately to try and understand what was taking place, since

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't believe it was possible to interact with conscious

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<v Speaker 1>apparitions of the now deceased. He theorized that unusual electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>fluctuations in the area could be causing audio and visual

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<v Speaker 1>hallucinations in Heidee's mind. After conducting a number of tests

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<v Speaker 1>on the perty, however, though doctor Roll found some anomalous readings,

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<v Speaker 1>he found little to confirm his hypothesis. A few years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa and Andy welcomed a second child, Jordan, into their family.

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<v Speaker 1>The pair had been worried about the effect of the

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<v Speaker 1>hauntings on their baby, However, Thankfully, by then, though Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>continued to claim that she saw apparitions in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>their frequency and number had significantly declined over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time she was a teenager, all trace of

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<v Speaker 1>mister Gordie had gone completely. Some years after Jordan was born,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa's niece Kelly Brown, was looking after her in the

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<v Speaker 1>house alone when she heard the sound of someone's voice

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<v Speaker 1>coming from a back bedroom. Moving through to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the corridor, she found Jordan sitting on her own,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly deep in conversation with someone. Only there was nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else there. Who are you talking to? Asked Kelly Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>The little girl said Jordan. She was hurt really bad

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<v Speaker 1>in a car accident. But Jordan said, Kelly Brown, there's

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