1 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: In ancient Greece, the pytheas, the high priestesses of the 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Temple of Apollo who served as his oracles at Delphi, 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: were thought to originally have been young children, ideally farmers daughters, 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: who were chosen for their perceived purity and innocence. It 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: is a common theme in the history of divination found 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: in many cultures. In ancient Rome, for example, it was 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: often the task of children to perform the drawing of lots, 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: a process used to determine the will of the gods 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: by the reading of small tablets, usually made of wood, 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: that were thrown into water. Classicist Sarah Illis Johnston of 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Ohio University attributes this to the strongly held belief that 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: children were simply able to see gods, demons, and ghosts 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: that other people could not, a skill that they would 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: invariably lose once they grew up. Needless to say, such 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: a notion is a popular one in the culture of 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the paranormal, and unexplained. For a start, there is something 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: inherently unnerving about young children being privy to things that 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: adults are not, But also this idea plays into the 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: common narrative that adulthood somehow robs us of the innocence, imagination, 20 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and openness of the senses that are thought required to 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: see such things. I have explored this idea previously on 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: the podcast with regards to the apparent UFO sightings in 23 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: the Welsh town of broad Haven in nineteen seventy seven, 24 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: and in the book in the chapter concerning the apparent 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: UFO sighting at a school in rural Zimbabwe in nineteen 26 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: ninety four. In both cases, a group of school children 27 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: claim to have seen an unusual craft land at the 28 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: back of their playground. When later called on to draw 29 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: pictures of what they had witnessed, many of their images 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: contained striking similarities, despite the children having had little to 31 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: no time to confer on what they had apparently seen. 32 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: But by far the most unnerving of this trope are 33 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: those of the sixth sense variety. In m night Shire 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Marlin's iconic nineteen ninety nine film of the same name, 35 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: the young boy Cole Seer claimed to be able to 36 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: see dead people. Back in nineteen eighty nine, just outside 37 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: the city of Columbus in Georgia. In the United States, 38 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: another young child was claiming exactly the same thing you're 39 00:02:51,320 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: listening to, unexplained and I'm Richard McClane Smith. Wolf, cried 40 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Heidi from the back door. The young girl scanned the 41 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: yard again, now completely covered from three days of snow, 42 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: but saw no sign of the dog anywhere. Mummy, she asked, 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: turning to the twenty one year old Lisa, who was 44 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: busy making lunch in the kitchen. Where did Wolf go? 45 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: He's probably in his kennel, she replied, Why don't you 46 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: go and take a look. Heidi was almost four years 47 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: old and loved nothing more than playing about in the 48 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: snow with her puppy, a recent moving in present from 49 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: her parents. This was the first time he hadn't come 50 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: running to her when she called his name. After trying 51 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: one more time but getting no response, she zipped up 52 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: her jacket, grabbed her toboggin, and headed out into the 53 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: garden to find him. Lisa watched from the window with 54 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: a smile as her daughter trudged out in the snow, 55 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: pulling her empty sled behind her as she went back outside. Heidi, 56 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: having now reached the kennel, peered inside to take a look, 57 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: but there was no sign of her dog anywhere. Just 58 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: then she noticed Wolf's footprints in the snow, heading back 59 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: toward the house. Heidi followed them all the way to 60 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: the edge of the porch, where they veered off to 61 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: the side and disappeared underneath it. Ducking her head under 62 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: to get a better look, Heidi finally spotted him. Wolf, 63 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: there you are coming out of there, But Wolf, who 64 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: was backed in as far as he could go, refused 65 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: to budge, as if he were too afraid to come out. 66 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Just then, Heidi felt a prey behind her back. In 67 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: the kitchen, Lisa was putting lunch on the table when 68 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: her daughter came rushing back inside. Can I go and 69 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: play with mister Gordy, she asked. Lisa looked confused. Who 70 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: is mister Gordy? She said, The man with the shiny 71 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: black shoes, said Heidi. Lisa, now suddenly concerned, asked her 72 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: daughter to confirm again if a man had just approached 73 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: her in the garden. Yes, mister Gordy, he wanted to 74 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: push me on the swing, said Heidi. In a panic. 75 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: Lisa ran to the window but saw no sign of 76 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: anybody outside. Then, ordering Heidi to sit at the table, 77 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: she hurriedly locked the front door and pulled down the 78 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: blinds before calling her husband Andy. Andy who was at 79 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: work a short drive away, told Lisa to they put 80 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: until he could get there. Lisa knew there was every 81 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: chance she could be overreacting, but it was always better 82 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: to play it safe than sorry under such circumstances. So 83 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: who was this mister Gordy asked Lisa, nervously, looking out 84 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: the window as Heidi sat nonchinantly eating her lunch in 85 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: front of the TV. Well, he's quite old, with white hair, 86 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: she said. He only wanted to push me on the swing. 87 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember what he was wearing, asked Lisa. Heidi 88 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: thought for a moment. He had a big hat and 89 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: smart clothes, just like what the people wear at church. Lisa, 90 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: taking the remote, turned down the TV and asked her 91 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: daughter if she had ever seen this mister Gordi before. No, 92 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: said Heidi, but he said he would be back. When 93 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the twenty two year old Andy finally arrived home twenty 94 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: minutes later, he made a quick scout of the area, 95 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: looking for any sign of an old man in smart 96 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: clothes with white hair, but found nobody resembling that description. 97 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: When the Wirecks first moved to Harris County in the 98 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: fall of nineteen eighty eight, they couldn't have been more ecstatic. 99 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: This quiet district in southwest Georgia had a reputation as 100 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: one of the more sought after counties in the state. 101 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: The young couple had never imagined they would ever be 102 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: able to afford a house there until one day Lisa's parents, 103 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: driving just outside the town of Ellerslie, noticed a property 104 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: up for auction. The three and a half bedroom ranch 105 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: house had come on to the market unexpectedly the previous 106 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: owners abandoned it without any explanation. Realizing they might have 107 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: a steel on their hands, they convinced Lisa and Andy 108 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: to take a look. Though the house would ordinarily have 109 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: been out of their price range, the couple put in 110 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: a bid of what they could afford and left it 111 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: at that, assuming they wouldn't get it. A few weeks later, however, 112 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: they were amazed to find they had won. It was 113 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 1: a few months after they had moved in in February 114 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, that Heidi had her first encounter with 115 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: mister Gordy. After the initial fear at the thought of 116 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: someone trying to abduct her daughter, Lisa soon came to 117 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: realize that mister Gordy was nothing but an imaginary friend. 118 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Over the weeks and months that followed, she would often 119 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: overhear Heidi talking to someone in her room, only to 120 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: find her sitting alone on the floor playing with her dolls. 121 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: Whenever she asked who her daughter was talking to, each time, 122 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: without fail, came the inevitable reply, why mister Gordy. Of course, 123 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Oftentimes Lisa would watch her daughter having tea parties on 124 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: the lawn, laughing and talking as if someone else was 125 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: out there with her. Other times, she would head off 126 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: to play on the big tree swing at the back 127 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: of the garden, her arm held high in the air 128 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: as if she were holding someone's hand. Lisa marveled at 129 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: the inventiveness of it all, just pleased that her daughter 130 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: seemed happy, and soon she was even playing along herself, 131 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: preparing lunch and snacks for Heidi to share with the 132 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: enigmatic mister Gordy. Each time Lisa would come to clean 133 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: up their plates, mister Gordy's food would remain untouched. Then 134 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: one afternoon, as Lisa was tidying some clothes away, Heidi 135 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: came running into her parents' bedroom in a panic. Mummy, 136 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: she said, there's a man at the door covered in blood. 137 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: His hand is hurt. Lisa ran straight to the front 138 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: of the house, only to find the front door completely open, 139 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: but no sign of anyone outside, Shutting the door and 140 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: locking it immediately, Lisa told Heidi to stay where she 141 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: could see her. Was this mister Gordie, she asked her daughter. Heidi, 142 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: seeing the fear in her mother's eyes, withdrew slightly and 143 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: turning her own eyes to the floor, shook her head. 144 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: His name was con she said, And she really saw 145 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: a man standing there. Yes, said Heidi, nodding nervously. Later 146 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: that night, Lisa recounted the story to Andy. Both knew 147 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: full well it was nothing but Heidie's imagination. But that 148 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: was the thing, thought Lisa, whenever she spoke about it. 149 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: Be it the man with the blood on his shirt 150 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: or mister Gordie, she seemed so convinced they were real. 151 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Just then, a distant scream punctured the quiet of the night, 152 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: followed moments later by Heidie bursting into her parent's room. 153 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: There's a man in my room, she cried. He's not 154 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: like the other ones. Lisa grabbed her daughter, Miss Andy 155 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: bolted from the bed and ran straight to Heidie's bedroom, 156 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: Switching on the lights. He looked everywhere for any sign 157 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: of an intruder, but there was nothing, and the front 158 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: door was still locked from the inside. As Heidie would 159 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: later describe it, this new figure wasn't a man so 160 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: much as just the sense of a body dressed in 161 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: a hooded top. This was now the third figure she 162 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: had reported seeing, but unlike the other two, this one 163 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: had left her utterly terrified. Are you always taking care 164 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: of your family? Do you often take care of others 165 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: and not yourself? Now it's time to take care of yourself, 166 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: to make time for you. You deserve it. 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This latest development had left their daughter 184 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: too scared to sleep in her own room. Hoping it 185 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: was all just a phase, they did their best to 186 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: reassure her no one was really there, but secretly, Lisa 187 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: had begun to wonder if there wasn't something more to 188 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: it all. Raised a strict Christian, she was no stranger 189 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: to the notion of demons and ghosts. What if this 190 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: wasn't just in Heidee's imagination, she thought? In desperation, Lisa 191 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: turned to her older sister, Joyce Kathy for support, and 192 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: when the house next door was put up for sale 193 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: later in the year, she was overjoyed when Joyce Cathy 194 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: agreed to buy it, having seen how worried her sister 195 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: was becoming and keen to spend more time with her niece, 196 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: Joyce Cathy was happy to do it. It was shortly 197 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: after moving in that she received a visit from the 198 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: house's former owner, Katherine Leadford. Catherine had wanted to welcome 199 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: Joyce Kathy to the neighborhood, but also to drop off 200 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: some of the final papers from the sale. Going through 201 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: them together that afternoon, Joyce Cathy was struck by a 202 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: name written on one of the contracts, James S. Gordie. 203 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: Realizing it was the same name as Heidee's apparent imaginary friend, 204 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: she asked Katherine if she knew who he was. As 205 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: it turned out, Gordy was an old friend of Catherine's 206 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: family who took care of all their legal matters. Feeling 207 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: suddenly defensive, Joyce Cathy asked where this James Gordy lived. 208 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Is it possible her family might have seen him around? Well, 209 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: thought Catherine for a moment. He used to live a 210 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: few minutes drive away, But I'm afraid he's been dead 211 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: for twenty five years. Later, as Catherine gathered her things 212 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: to leave, Joyce Cathy asked her if she could describe 213 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: what Gordy looked like around the time when he died. 214 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: I suppose he was quite old by then, she said, 215 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: with a full head of white hair. But he was 216 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: always smartly dressed in a nice dark suit. That evening, 217 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Joyce Cathy told Lisa and Andy about her conversation with Catherine, 218 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: wondering if there was any way that Heidi could have 219 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: overheard or seen something about mister Gordy. But neither could 220 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: think of anything. Perhaps it was all just a coincidence, 221 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: they thought. Unable to let it go, however, the following day, 222 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,359 Speaker 1: Lisa made her way to the local library and requested 223 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to see the papers from nineteen seventy four. Sitting in 224 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: front of the monitor, moments later, she scrolled through the 225 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: microfilm until she came across the man's obituary. Sure enough, 226 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: there it was James Scarborough Gordy, caretaker of a number 227 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: of local properties, who died aged eighty six in September 228 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. Back home, later, as Heidee was sat 229 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: playing with her dolls, Lisa asked her again about where 230 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: she got the name Gordi from. Heidi ignored her for 231 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: a moment as she continued to play, then, without looking up, 232 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: said simply that he had told it to her himself. 233 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: But mister Gordie isn't real, explained her mother. Heidi stopped playing. 234 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: But he is real, she insisted, he's standing right next 235 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: to you. Eager to get to the bottom of it all, 236 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: and now increasingly more spooked by the day, Lisa hashed 237 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: a plan after explaining to Catherine Leadford what had been 238 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: going on, they arranged for Heidi to go to Catherine's 239 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: home and take a look at some old family photographs 240 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: to see if she might recognize anyone. One by one, 241 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: they flicked through the old black and white stills, stepping 242 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: back years into the life of Katherine and her family. 243 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: Arriving at the last few, Heide's eyes suddenly widened. There, 244 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: she said, pointing to a young man standing at the 245 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: back of the frame with a bandage wrapped all around 246 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: his hand. That's con the man with the blood on 247 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: his shirt. Lisa looked expectantly to Catherine, who couldn't believe 248 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: what she was hearing. Well, she said, taking the photo 249 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: for a closer look, that there is my uncle, not 250 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: con exactly, but Lon Lon Bachelor. Lon had been dead 251 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: since nineteen fifty seven. As she went on to explain 252 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: and back when he was twenty years old, he lost 253 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: his hand in a cotton gin accident. Lisa gasped, that's him, 254 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: she said, to Catherine's one of the people she's been seeing. 255 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: Heading back to their home, Lisa was now convinced that 256 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: this was more than just a game of make believe. 257 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: But worse than that, she thought, what if something sinister 258 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: was at play. After the visit to Catherine, Lisa and 259 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Andy stayed up late discussing the permutations of what could 260 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: possibly be taking place, when that scream rang out again 261 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: from Heide's room. Moments later, the door burst open and 262 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: Heidee raced onto the bed. She'd seen the faceless figure 263 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: again and now her face was hurting. Lisa switched on 264 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: the light and cried out in shock. There raked across 265 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: her daughter's cheek were three deep and bloody scratch marks. 266 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Having seen enough, the family gathered some things and drove 267 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: immediately to Lisa's parents' house to spend the rest of 268 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: the night. The following day, the family returned to their home, 269 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: determined to confront their fears. Whatever they were dealing with, 270 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: there was no use in panicking, and they certainly weren't 271 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: free to move anytime soon. They would just have to 272 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: wait it out and hope that things improved. A few 273 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: nights later, as the family slept, Andy tossed and turned 274 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: in his sleep, suddenly bursting awake. After a moment of confusion, 275 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: he realized he was just having a nightmare, but then 276 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: he felt the searing pain running up his side. Rushing 277 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: to the bathroom, he switched on the light and pulled 278 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: up his t shirt. Turning his side toward the mirror, 279 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: he gasped in horror at the sight of three fresh 280 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: gashes up the side of his body. There was no 281 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: denying it any more. It was time to seek proper help. 282 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: Unsure where to start, Lisa tried the library again, where 283 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: it was suggested to her that she contact doctor William Rowell, 284 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: a psychologist based at the University of West Georgia. Doctor 285 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: Rowell also happened to be one of the country's leading 286 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: authorities on apparent parapsychological phenomena. Growing up in Denmark, Roll 287 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: who was born in Germany in nineteen twenty six, became 288 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: convinced he was having regular out of body experiences. This 289 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: awakened an interest in parapsychology that took him first to 290 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: Berkeley and later to Oxford University, where he became president 291 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: of the university's Society of Psychical Research. Back when the 292 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: study of parapsychology was still indulged by many leading academic institutions, 293 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: doctor Roll was a leading proponent of the subject. Though 294 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Roll kept an open mind with regards to the causes 295 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: of paranormal phenomena, it was his ultimate belief that if 296 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: there was anything of substance to them, they would prove 297 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: to be of a rational, scientific nature, as opposed to supernatural. 298 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: The Wireck's case, however, was unlike anything he had come 299 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: across before. After arriving at the Wireck's home one afternoon, 300 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: the erudite role began by conducting a series of interviews 301 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: with the family to ascertain the veracity of their story. 302 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: Listening to Heidi speaking, in particular, he was struck by 303 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: the consistency and level of detail in her recollections. Furthermore, 304 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: the manner in which she spoke about the various figures 305 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: she had encountered seemed to suggest that she had no 306 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: concept of them being apparitions or ghosts at all, but 307 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: rather they were as real to her as anything else 308 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: in her life. Afterwards, Doctor Rowell had a surprise for 309 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: the family. He had managed to track down a photograph 310 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: of the deceased James Gordi and asked Lisa if you 311 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: might present it to Heidi to see if she might 312 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: recognize who it was. Eager to see the results herself, 313 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Lisa gladly let him proceed. Taking the pictures from his bag, 314 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: He placed them on the table and asked Heidi to 315 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: pick them up one by one and to take her 316 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: time to study each of them before moving on to 317 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: the next. Each photograph bore a portrait of a man 318 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: in similar age and appearance to Gordi. Heidi picked up 319 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: the first photo, gave it a long look, and then 320 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: moved it to the side. She repeated this process for 321 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: the first nine pictures until finally she came to the 322 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: last one. That's him. She said, that's mister Gordy. Doctor 323 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Roll turned the photo around and picked it up. It 324 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: was the photograph of James Gordy. Staggered by Heide's story 325 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: and the correct identification of James Gordy, Doctor Role began 326 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: immediately to try and understand what was taking place, since 327 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: he didn't believe it was possible to interact with conscious 328 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: apparitions of the now deceased. He theorized that unusual electromagnetic 329 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: fluctuations in the area could be causing audio and visual 330 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: hallucinations in Heidee's mind. After conducting a number of tests 331 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: on the perty, however, though doctor Roll found some anomalous readings, 332 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: he found little to confirm his hypothesis. A few years later, 333 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: Lisa and Andy welcomed a second child, Jordan, into their family. 334 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: The pair had been worried about the effect of the 335 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: hauntings on their baby, However, Thankfully, by then, though Heidi 336 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: continued to claim that she saw apparitions in the house, 337 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: their frequency and number had significantly declined over the years. 338 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: By the time she was a teenager, all trace of 339 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: mister Gordie had gone completely. Some years after Jordan was born, 340 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Lisa's niece Kelly Brown, was looking after her in the 341 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: house alone when she heard the sound of someone's voice 342 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: coming from a back bedroom. Moving through to the end 343 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: of the corridor, she found Jordan sitting on her own, 344 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: seemingly deep in conversation with someone. Only there was nobody 345 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: else there. Who are you talking to? Asked Kelly Brown. 346 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: The little girl said Jordan. She was hurt really bad 347 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: in a car accident. 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