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Speaker 1: Turning now to funding.

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Speaker 3: We just talked a lot about the economic impact of

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Speaker 3: this war, about how the war is going tactically, but

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Speaker 3: remember wars have to be paid for and has to

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Speaker 3: be paid for by all of us, and row the

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Speaker 3: bill is starting to come do let's go and put

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Speaker 3: this up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Jake Sherman over.

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Speaker 3: At punch Bowl, one of the most tapped in congressional

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Speaker 3: journalists in the US.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he writes.

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Speaker 3: With war raging in the Middle East, the DHS is

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Speaker 3: still shut down, the storm bearing down on the East Coast.

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Speaker 3: Congress as returning to session today made an array of problems,

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Speaker 3: priorities and deadlines. Oil prices are a one hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: a barrel, the straight up Hormoz's closed. Thirteen Americans are dead.

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Speaker 3: But let's get to the headline. The White House, Pentagon,

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Speaker 3: and congressional leaders have already begun talks about supplemental funding

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Speaker 3: for the Iran war. We don't expect any request to

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Speaker 3: hit Capitol Hill this week, but the two sides are

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to pass it.

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Speaker 1: We have had.

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Speaker 3: Several sources suggest the package may carry a price tag

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Speaker 3: of one hundred billion or more. Lawmakers see this as

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Speaker 3: potentially the last must pass bill of the year and

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Speaker 3: may have to try and attach their own costly proposals.

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Speaker 3: Reconciliation the best option for GOP leaders. There is no

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Speaker 3: chance Democrats would allow anything to pass without a vote

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Speaker 3: on ending the conflict or reigning in Trump's freedom to operate.

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Speaker 3: But any new spending will have to be offset with

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Speaker 3: cuts elsewhere, so this would be the worst of all.

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Speaker 1: Political worlds for the White House.

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Speaker 3: They would have to put a one hundred billion into reconciliation,

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Speaker 3: and they have to cut one hundred billion from the

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Speaker 3: rest of the federal budget. They've already stripped it as

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Speaker 3: far as they could go in the last reconciliation package.

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Speaker 3: So who wants to bet where that money's coming from?

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Speaker 3: One hundred billion dollars. Let's be clear here about this

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Speaker 3: one hundred billion.

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Speaker 1: What is it about.

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Speaker 3: It's about a supplemental funding request for the immense amounts

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Speaker 3: that have already been spent. This isn't just about munitions,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to get to some of that here

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Speaker 3: in a little bit. Don't forget. So we talked about

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Speaker 3: in our a block the carrier, right, the carrier of

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Speaker 3: the fire. Guess what the last carrier fire cost to repair?

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Speaker 3: Seventy million dollars seventy million just to repair the last fire,

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Speaker 3: similar fire back in two thousand and eight. I was

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Speaker 3: just looking at that. Let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 3: jet fuel. Let's talk about which is currently trading a

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars a month or so that it costs

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Speaker 3: to send a single carrier strike group. Let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the cost of diverting a marine expeditionary force through the

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Speaker 1: And then potentially having to deploy.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about all of the new ISR and the

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Speaker 3: intelligence people, all the reservists. I know a couple of reservists,

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Speaker 3: they've all been called up. They're working night shifts now

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Speaker 1: All of these.

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Speaker 3: Reservists are all over there. Remember, a vast majority of

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Speaker 3: the people who've been killed already in the war were

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Speaker 3: Air Force reserve. So we've got I mean, I would

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Speaker 3: mention the interceptors and the drones and all that stuff, which,

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Speaker 1: I actually do think we need to.

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Speaker 3: Pay for all of that, But it puts everybody in

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Speaker 3: we need real defense readiness. Like South Korea's out there,

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Speaker 3: their economy is getting destroyed. They could The President basically

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this. Sri Lanka Wednesdays

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Speaker 1: To save oil, to save gas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a disaster in the rest of the world,

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Speaker 3: but in our economy it's just going to manifest in

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Speaker 3: high prices. And then politically, how could any Democrat or honestly,

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Speaker 3: even some of the anti war Republicans, how can you

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Speaker 3: vote for the war because it's not congressionally authorized and

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Speaker 3: it's basically a free hand to keep the economic punishment

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Speaker 3: of our own country going for as long as possible.

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Speaker 3: This is why you don't get into a war without

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Speaker 3: congressional authorization in the first place. If you authorize it,

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Speaker 3: then yeah, you better fund it. Okay, well articulated strategic goals,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to brace everybody. The way that this

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Speaker 3: is all going to play out is they're going to

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Speaker 3: say they want everybody, they want us to leave our

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Speaker 3: men in uniform hanging. Oh, you complained about the interceptors,

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Speaker 3: but you don't want to replace the interceptors.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we can talk about that. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about that strategy.

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Speaker 3: But in the interim, right now, right now, this is

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Speaker 3: about a freehand to keep this BS war going, and

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Speaker 3: I think that everyone really needs to brace because this

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Speaker 3: will be a titanic political fight that's actually.

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Speaker 2: Getting They're already using that rhetoric with politicians who say

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Speaker 2: on the Democratic side, who say they oppose funding the war,

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Speaker 2: like how can you leave.

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Speaker 4: Our service members at risk?

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Speaker 2: And you know, and some of the Democrats have said,

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Speaker 2: like Melissa Slotkins, She's like, well, we're in it now,

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Speaker 2: so we have to support them. I think most of

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Speaker 2: if not all, of those Democrats out aside from John

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Speaker 2: Fetterman who's lost costs, but anyway, I think they will

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Speaker 2: all change their tune because what you're going to be

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Speaker 2: signing up for is literally making the case to Americans

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Speaker 2: we're going to cut your health care, we're going to

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Speaker 2: cut snap, we're going to cut head Start, We're going

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Speaker 2: to cut like the things that actually benefit the American

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Speaker 2: people to fund this war that is not authorized, that

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Speaker 2: no one asks for, that you know, prior to launch,

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Speaker 2: had like a twenty thirty percent of support rating. You're

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Speaker 2: they benefit from the federal government. In order to fund

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Speaker 2: that war effort. You're not asking the rich to pay anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're not asking for that. You're not asking the you know,

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Speaker 2: military industrial complex that are getting rich, not asking those

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Speaker 2: corporate entities to pay anymore to fund this absolute disaster.

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Speaker 4: No that is going to come.

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Speaker 2: It is going to skin off the back of a

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Speaker 2: population that has already been screwed. And then you're going

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Speaker 2: to pay again at the gas pump. And then you're

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Speaker 2: store and the costs are passed through to you, and

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Speaker 2: you're going to pay again when companies do gre inflation

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Speaker 2: like they did before and recognize, like, oh there's an

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Speaker 2: inflation going on, I can add even more to the

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Speaker 2: it because we know they did that during COVID and

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Speaker 2: they will surely do it again.

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Speaker 4: So that is who is going to actually pay for

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Speaker 4: this war.

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Speaker 2: Good luck, good luck making that case to the American people.

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Speaker 2: This war right now is as popular as it will

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Speaker 2: ever be, and the best polling I've seen for it

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Speaker 2: is fifty to fifty the best polling I've seen for it.

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Speaker 2: Compare that to the Iraq War. There was an overwhelming

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Speaker 2: support at the beginning the Afghanistan War. Even more, it

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Speaker 2: was like ninety percent support for the Afghanistan war at

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Speaker 2: the beginning. Wars do not get more popular over time,

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Speaker 2: especially not the way we fight them, where we end

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Speaker 2: up getting bogged down in quagmire, you know, losing massive

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Speaker 2: amounts of treasure and lives and creating a gigantic mess,

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Speaker 2: which this thing all ready is. So to your point

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Speaker 2: about the cost, I saw an estimate that just in

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Speaker 2: munition's expenditure, it's been over twelve billion dollars just that,

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Speaker 2: And so whatever they're brief in Congress with, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's been eleven billion dollars so far.

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Speaker 4: That is total and complete bullshit.

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Speaker 2: It has already cost so much more for that than that.

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Speaker 2: But yet when you go to the government, you know,

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Speaker 2: could we maybe have healthcare like the rest of the world, Oh, no,

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Speaker 2: we can't afford it. Could we get some support in

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Speaker 2: terms of affordable housing built on social house, Oh now,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we can't afford it. When it comes to

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Speaker 2: funding the war effort, there was always endless cash, an

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Speaker 2: endless number of politicians ready to sign up to put

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Speaker 2: the latest adventure for the military industrial complex and the

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Speaker 3: I'll also to show you guys like the problem in

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Speaker 3: the way that we file. Let's put CE two up

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Speaker 3: here on the screen. Okay, So this is a great

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal story about these Reaper drones. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, everybody get familiar with this stuff, because these

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Speaker 3: whenever they're asking for more money. So Reaper drones take

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Speaker 1: Drones have gotten attention.

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Speaker 3: The US is raging its own drone war, right, So

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Speaker 3: these are surveillance drones, widespread strikes MQ nine Reaper drone.

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Speaker 1: They've been used in the battle.

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Speaker 3: Attacking hundreds of targets surveillance and they are able to strike.

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Speaker 3: The US military has done little to highlight the role,

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Speaker 3: but the telltale indications of their operations are evident in

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Speaker 3: a lot of the videos that Sentcom has been releasing.

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Speaker 3: They're flown remotely in the US. They were used a

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Speaker 3: lot during the War on Terror. Well, a current estimate

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Speaker 3: puts it that some ten percent of the entire fleet

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Speaker 3: has now been lost as a result of not just

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Speaker 3: this conflict with Iran, but.

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Speaker 1: I missed this, it was also with the Hoo These.

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Speaker 3: Now, the unit cost of each one of these drones

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Speaker 3: is about thirty million dollars. Compare that to the unit

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Speaker 3: cost of the Iranian Shiad drone between twenty to one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: That was seven It depends, so I.

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Speaker 3: Actually listened to an analysis on this. It's part of interesting.

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Speaker 3: The short range ones are cheap, obviously, this is like

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Speaker 3: seven grand. Apparently this is the Ukrainian model. The Ukrainians

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Speaker 3: of these like really tiny ones which will only fly like,

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Speaker 3: you know, a couple hundred yards, obviously a super cheap.

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Speaker 3: The Iranian ones that are capable of hitting like Dubai

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Speaker 3: and stuff, those are more expensive, obviously because I have

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Speaker 3: to fly several thousand kilometers.

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Speaker 1: But regardless, we're talking about a thirty.

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Speaker 3: Million dollars drone versus a twenty thirty thousand dollars drone.

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Speaker 3: All right, this the math doesn't math whenever this Whenever

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean this, look, the reserve stuff is

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Speaker 2: So speaking of the Dems, yeah, right, should we go

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Speaker 1: Kuibono, right, Who benefits?

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Speaker 5: It's always useful to start that question in any country,

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Speaker 5: he ever leaves office. And you remember United Arab Emirates,

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Speaker 5: famous for recently structuring a totally pointless crypto financial transaction

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Speaker 5: so that two billion dollars of.

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Speaker 4: It would be stuffed into the Trump.

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Speaker 5: Family's otherwise worthless, brand new crypto financial firm. And of course,

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Speaker 5: you remember the Saudis who stuffed another two billion dollars

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Speaker 5: into the pockets of Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 5: just as Trump's first term in office came.

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Speaker 1: To a close.

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Speaker 5: You might remember enough people were alarmed about that when

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Speaker 5: it happened that the Trump folks actually sort of bothered

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Speaker 5: to come up with an excuse for what made that okay?

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Speaker 5: They said, don't worry, Jared will never again work for

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Speaker 5: the US government. He's never coming back to Washington, So

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Speaker 5: it's okay that he's taken all this money from the Saudis.

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Speaker 5: Now we will never have to worry about having somebody

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Speaker 5: involved in US policy who has also just been given

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Speaker 5: billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia apparently for no reason.

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Speaker 5: Well that was the explanation when he took all that

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Speaker 5: money from the Saudis at the end of Trump's first term.

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Speaker 5: And now today, who has been leading the negotiations on

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Speaker 5: behalf of the United States government with Iran before we

461
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Speaker 5: just started this war with them today, I mean Secretary

462
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Speaker 5: of State Mark Rubio was in Saint Kitts this week.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't him, No, it was Jared Kushner, President's son in law,

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Speaker 5: recently paid billions of dollars by Iran's chief rival, and

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Speaker 5: nevertheless sitting there alongside Trump's tiny real estate friend Steve Whitkoff,

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Speaker 5: who has sought recently to improve his considerable family fortunes

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Speaker 5: by going to Cutter to seek money from its sovereign

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Speaker 5: wealth fund. Weird that those talks didn't work, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how insane is it at the beginning, when

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Speaker 2: she's like, who benefits who wants to see Iran bomb?

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Speaker 2: Who constantly hates Irn? And You're like, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: How about the country run by the guy who said

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Speaker 2: this is his dream for forty years?

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 2: How about Israel and oh Katar Saudi? And look, I

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Speaker 2: think like there is a point about the Saudi's in

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Speaker 2: particular regional rivals with Iran Zooni versus she H all

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Speaker 2: of that. There's some reporting suggests this Howdi's were in

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Speaker 2: on this war too, Okay? Miriam Addison gave Trump one

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Speaker 2: hundred million. If you're going to talk about the corruption here,

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Speaker 2: gave him one hundred million dollars for his campaign. How

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Speaker 2: is that not anywhere in your little listicle here? Like

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Speaker 2: it is crazy to me this second time she's done

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Speaker 2: this too.

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Speaker 1: This is like she's all in.

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Speaker 2: She's all in on that. This is her new Russia Gate.

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Speaker 2: This is and and there will I I you know,

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Speaker 2: don't watch any cable because very often, but I'm sure

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Speaker 2: there will be others at the network who take up

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Speaker 2: this line because they realize, you know, she's setting the tone.

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Speaker 2: She's like the quarterback of the network. She sets the

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Speaker 2: tone for what are the acceptable things to talk about

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Speaker 2: and what rates and where is the narrative going. And

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, I even with the Democratic base,

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Speaker 2: who you know, probably continues to love Rachel Maddow, like

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Speaker 2: this is not going to work. The views on Israel

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Speaker 2: and the overwhelming view that it was Israel and Trump

498
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Speaker 2: trying to cover up the Epstein files that effectively got

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Speaker 2: us into this war, and that is going to persist

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Speaker 2: among the Democratic base and the broader public regardless of

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Speaker 2: the way that Rachel Maddow tries to shape this propaganda effort.

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Speaker 4: But that is it was wild to see.

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Speaker 2: Her go down that list and then to believe Israel oftentier.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching it, I'm like, is this wilful at this point?

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Speaker 3: Like our huge and obviously I think the only answer answer, yes,

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Speaker 3: this is the only NBC News approved way of being

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Speaker 3: able to talk about corruption and why we got into

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Speaker 3: the war in the first place. You know, every once

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Speaker 3: in a while they'll have somebody on their network who

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Speaker 3: tells the truth, but be honest. I mean, take a

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Speaker 3: look at CNN, at MSNBC and Fox.

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Speaker 1: How often do they talk about Israel.

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Speaker 3: In a way that tells the truth about how they

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Speaker 3: dragged us into this war? Yes with Trump, Yes, with Trump,

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Speaker 3: But do they talk about the forty year commitment? Do

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Speaker 3: they do hear any of that type of criticism. The

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Speaker 3: closest we got was Laura Ingram talking to Ted Cruz

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Speaker 3: asking if it was weird how tied in Lindsey Graham

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Speaker 3: was in with Mosat, but even that she still supports

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Speaker 3: the war right. That is about as close as I

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Speaker 3: have seen so far. There's been no CNN panels, no

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Speaker 3: MSNBC panel, no gas almost nothing really that actually goes

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Speaker 3: after the true reasons for this. So that's part of

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Speaker 3: the reason why when you look at public sentiment too,

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's crazy how enough people are still

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Speaker 3: even with all this overwhelming propaganda or like yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: we're not yelling this. But second, why the boomers are

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Speaker 3: still where they are right now, They literally just don't

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Speaker 3: have the information like period.

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Speaker 2: Well it's also why treat To Parsi is such an

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Speaker 2: important media figure because they have him on MSNBC, they

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Speaker 2: have him on CNN, and he's one of the few

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Speaker 2: people that they have on who actually like understands the

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Speaker 2: world and tells the truth about what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: But you know, in terms of the basically the only

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Speaker 2: group in the country not basically literally the only group

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Speaker 2: in the country that still supports Israel the way they

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Speaker 2: used to is Boomer Republicans. The democratic base has I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's gone, it is done, it is over and independence

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly as well. We can put this up on the

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Speaker 2: screen guys from NBC News. It shows you the way

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Speaker 2: that views on Israel have shifted just between twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three and twenty twenty six, so in three years time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty three, when you ask people are

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Speaker 2: your views of Israel positive or negative? Overall, forty seven

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Speaker 2: percent said positive and only twenty four percent said negative.

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Speaker 2: Now the overall numbers, okay, this is not just demo,

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Speaker 2: this is overall in the whole country. Thirty two percent

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Speaker 2: have a positive view of Israel and thirty nine percent

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Speaker 2: have a negative view.

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Speaker 4: So the plurality of the.

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Speaker 2: Country now has a negative view, and then thirty percent

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Speaker 2: are neutral or don't know. With Democrats, only thirteen percent

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Speaker 2: still have a positive view of Israel fifty seven percent,

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Speaker 2: so a strong, almost supermajority of Democratic base voters have

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Speaker 2: an actively negative view of Israel.

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Speaker 4: Back just three years ago.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, it was evenly split thirty four

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Speaker 2: to thirty five in terms of views. Independents only twenty

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Speaker 2: one percent a positive view of Israel. The only partisan

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Speaker 2: group that continues to have a net favorable view are Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Even there there's been some decline. So back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, sixty three percent of Republicans had a positive

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Speaker 2: view of Israel. Now it's down to fifty four percent.

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Speaker 2: Still a majority, but you can see the bleed among

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Speaker 2: younger Republicans. And as I said before, if you do

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Speaker 2: the age breakdown, it is boomer Republicans who are still

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Speaker 2: like you know, holding the flame still, you know, carrying

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Speaker 2: the torch.

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Speaker 4: For Israel the way that they used to.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think this is important, not only

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Speaker 2: because of the news propaganda piece, but I really think

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Speaker 2: this plays into the way Israel is thinking right now

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Speaker 2: and part of why they're behaving in such a a

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Speaker 2: psychotic manner. I mean, they have that in them. But

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Speaker 2: why they're latching out in this extraordinarily aggressive way in Lebanon,

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Speaker 2: in you know, getting their puppet government in Syria, obviously,

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Speaker 2: in Iran, in the West Bank, in Gaza, It's because

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Speaker 2: they know their political clock is ticking, that the lockstep

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Speaker 2: support that they have had from both Democrats and Republicans

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Speaker 2: is over. They've got their guy in the White House

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Speaker 2: right now. They need to go for it all, the

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Speaker 2: whole thing right now, because there are going to be

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Speaker 2: no guarantees for them in the future.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: The actual generational shifts in this this is part of

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Speaker 3: the reason why Israel wanted to go for broke now.

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Speaker 3: They want to become the global superpower, the regional power

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Speaker 3: that they've wanted to for many decades. They want to

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Speaker 3: shed the United States, destabilize the Gulf, basically call the

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Speaker 3: shots for America and for the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: But you know, look, it's going to be up to

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Speaker 3: the future generations of America. How it's not just about

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Speaker 3: our security relationship with Israel. It's going to be old

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Speaker 3: a security relationship with the whole world as to whether

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Speaker 3: all of this is working out.

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Speaker 1: So, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I hope it works out better, I really do. We

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Speaker 3: have Glenn Deson standing by.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to.

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Speaker 2: It, all right, guys from more analysis on the Iran

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Speaker 2: war from a global perspective.

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Speaker 4: We are joined for.

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Speaker 2: The first time, and I'm excited about this by Glenn Deeson.

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Speaker 2: He's host of the Glen Decent YouTube channel, which Saga

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Speaker 2: and I both watch quite routinely. He's also a professor

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Speaker 2: of Russian international affairs, focuses on geo economics, conservatism, and

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Speaker 2: the Greater Eurasia Initiative.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you, Glenn, Good to.

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Speaker 1: See you well.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so far much for the invitation. I'm a

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Speaker 6: great fan of both of you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's certainly mutual. I just want to

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Speaker 2: start with your top line view of this war, what

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Speaker 2: it's about, and how it's going so far.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it was quite evident that this war

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Speaker 6: was always about regime change, and I think what we

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Speaker 6: often underestimated was that regime change in Iran might also

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Speaker 6: entail the destruction or volcanization of Iran. And I think

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Speaker 6: this is quite evident because when everyone speaks of regime change,

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Speaker 6: there is no in the replacement government in the rear

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Speaker 6: which can simply be put in with legitimacy. So either

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Speaker 6: this would have to be you know, the Shah two

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Speaker 6: point zero, you know, rule with brutality, or the country

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Speaker 6: would then just disintegrate into civil war between diferent factions.

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Speaker 6: So I see this. I think this is important because

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Speaker 6: it explains that this is not just a threat to

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Speaker 6: the government of Iran but also the country. So once

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Speaker 6: Iran sees this an existential threat, it shouldn't be any

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Speaker 6: surprise that it reacts in this way, which is why

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Speaker 6: many of my guests, both Americans and Iranians on the podcast,

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Speaker 6: kind of predicted this well before the invasion, that if

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Speaker 6: they're attacked, they will straight the closest straight Overmuse rather

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Speaker 6: quickly and just begin to attack all American bases in

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Speaker 6: the entire region, because this is a fight for survival.

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Speaker 6: And I think This is one thing we were left

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Speaker 6: out when we sold this war as simply being about

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Speaker 6: helping protester and liberating girls. Because if this was simply

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Speaker 6: the case, the Iranians wouldn't see this as existential threat

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Speaker 6: and they wouldn't respond in this way. So I think

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Speaker 6: this is just escalating more and more, and we're getting

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Speaker 6: into some very dangerous territory, especially with the potential of

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Speaker 6: the destruction or of carg Island. I think that's when

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Speaker 6: all bets are Glin.

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious actually for your view of the bigger

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Speaker 3: geopolitical implications. So obviously you're an expert with Russia and

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Speaker 3: with Ukraine. You've been analyzing this war. Now four years now.

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Speaker 3: We have watched actually oil climb to high prices. The

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Speaker 3: Kremlin has been able to get some sanctions taken off

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Speaker 3: their oil. They're massively enriching their war machine. I just

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Speaker 3: saw that the I think it's the Belgian Prime minister

652
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Speaker 3: came out, Yester and said maybe we should normalize relations

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Speaker 3: with Russia. This is already having huge ripple effects across

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Speaker 3: the globe. Tell us how you see that.

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Speaker 6: Well, well, this is part of the problem with the

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Speaker 6: run war. That is, for four years we tried to

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Speaker 6: knock out Russia from the ranks of great powers and

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Speaker 6: it failed. And especially when Trump took over a year ago,

659
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Speaker 6: if we couldn't do it with the Americans, we can't

660
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Speaker 6: do it without them. And nonetheless Europeans tried to keep

661
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Speaker 6: it going. So the US is still involved, of course

662
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Speaker 6: with the intelligence, the targeting logistics, also selling the weapons

663
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Speaker 6: instead of necessarily providing them for free. But the idea

664
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Speaker 6: for Europe was if we just keep it going for

665
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Speaker 6: a bit longer, then perhaps something would happen in Russia. Now,

666
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: of course, the Iran War has major implications for the

667
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 6: Ukraine War. The Ukraine War was already going very poorly.

668
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 6: That there's a massive manpower shortage, so the Ukrainians don't

669
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Speaker 6: have enough men. The US doesn't have that much weapon

670
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Speaker 6: to send anymore, so there's a weapon shortage, and also

671
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 6: there's an economic problem. So you end up with this

672
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 6: situation where the Europeans want to buy weapons with money

673
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: they don't have to buy American weapons which don't exist,

674
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Speaker 6: to arm Ukrainian soldiers, which are you know, also don't

675
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 6: exist anymore. So it was always a huge problem. But now,

676
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 6: of course, with the Iran war also entering, then there's

677
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 6: even less there's less weapons coming from the US and Europeans.

678
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: They are well, the energy prices are now going from

679
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: bad to wars, and they're preparing themselves for complete that

680
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 6: can make meltdowns. So it's not ideal to keep this

681
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 6: war going. So I think there's some voices now who

682
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 6: would like to see an end to the war. The

683
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: problem is that the Europeans locked themselves into narratives of

684
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 6: simply an opportunistic Russia wanting territory. They never recognized that

685
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: this was an existential threat for Russia, which meant every

686
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: time we escalated, the Russians would just respond in turn.

687
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 6: So it's a little bit like the problem with Iran.

688
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 6: We don't recognize the security concerns of opponents, so we

689
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 6: misjudge their policies and how they would respond to ours.

690
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Speaker 2: One of the rationales that has been offered sort of

691
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Speaker 2: after the fact of why this war is happening, why

692
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: this war is actually a smart strategic play for the US,

693
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Speaker 2: is that since China gets a lot of their oil

694
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Speaker 2: for Iran, this is going to be damaging to China.

695
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Speaker 2: What do you think is the Chinese perspective of the

696
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: Iran War and the likely impact on that country.

697
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Speaker 6: Well, they do get oil from Iran, so they don't

698
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 6: care for any disruptions. And of course, if the use

699
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 6: would be successful, well in regime changing Iran either put

700
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Speaker 6: in a government loyal to the US or the country

701
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Speaker 6: disintegrates or you know, turns into chaos. It would be

702
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 6: bad for Iran, sorry for China. But you know, it

703
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 6: can also go the other way. That is, if the

704
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: United States now fails in this war, which seems more

705
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 6: likely that it will, and part of the objectives of

706
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 6: the Iranians is to expel the Americans from the regions.

707
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 6: That is, to not just destroy a basis, but also

708
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 6: make the Gold States reach the conclusion that they will

709
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 6: have more security without hosting US basis. Then suddenly the

710
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Speaker 6: US is no longer a key security provider in the

711
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Speaker 6: Middle East. If it's not a key security provider, then

712
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 6: some of the foundations of the petro dollar goes away.

713
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 6: Why would they still then trade only in dollars, especially

714
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 6: when in new economic centers of power. And then if

715
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 6: all of these petro dollars aren't recycled into the US,

716
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 6: what would happen with the AI tech bubble, which you

717
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 6: know is in direct competition in the AI competition with

718
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 6: the Chinese. So there's a lot of things that can

719
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 6: go wrong for the United States in this competition with China.

720
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Speaker 6: But of course if the US could seize control over

721
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 6: these natural resources. Again, this was very openly an objective

722
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 6: in Venezuela to take control of it, make sure they

723
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 6: don't link themselves too closely to Russia and China, but

724
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Speaker 6: also in the Middle East, as Linda Graham suggested, We've

725
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: got to make a ton of money here, and obviously

726
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 6: from the energy going to well whoever America wants to

727
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 6: go to instead of China. So there is a lot

728
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 6: more of a great power politics play going on here,

729
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 6: and I think this is all, you know, this is

730
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 6: what ties the competition with China, Iran, Russia. We're living

731
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 6: in a very historical time. We're seeing the end of

732
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Speaker 6: the hegemonic era which was established after the Cold War,

733
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 6: and we're now seeing this transition into multiplarity. And at

734
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Speaker 6: the moment it's being pulled in both directions, which is

735
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Speaker 6: a source of some of the more violent parts of

736
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Speaker 6: our conflicts.

737
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Speaker 3: Now, you know, one of the things I'm interested in Glenn,

738
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Speaker 3: here is to think. You know we've talked here about

739
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Speaker 3: but I'm also curious for your view as to how

740
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: this will play out in terms of history, and so

741
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 3: you talked to her about the end of the hegemonic era.

742
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: We talked to Giannis far Focus earlier and he said,

743
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Speaker 3: I would be I would be hesitant to say that

744
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: this would be the immediate death of the American Empire

745
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: and compare it, let's say, to a Suez moment for

746
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: the British. However, as I said, even at the time

747
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: of Suez, nobody was like, this is the end of

748
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: the British empires. Only in retrospect that were able to

749
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Speaker 3: look back and see that. If you had that lens

750
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Speaker 3: on and you were looking with the Iran crisis but

751
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: all these other things, what would the specific timeline and

752
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: events that you would look for to say definitively this

753
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: was the beginning of the end.

754
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Speaker 6: Well, I also don't wouldn't to go for with the

755
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 6: Suis Canal comparison, because Britain had very different fundamentals. In

756
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 6: the United States, the US is a massive power. It

757
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 6: will remain so even if it's an economy will begin

758
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: to collapse. It's it's going to recover, it's going to

759
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 6: be a key player. So I wouldn't dismiss it US

760
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 6: going simply Britain could disappear, but that's not the case

761
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 6: with the United States. But I think it's a longer

762
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 6: transition and it's worth keeping in mind what the world

763
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 6: order signifies. That is, what are the basic rules, which

764
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 6: depends on how security is created. When you have the

765
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 6: international system with all these large powers competing against each other,

766
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 6: then the question is what creates security. Well, usually it

767
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 6: would be a pursuit of indivisible security because if countries compete,

768
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 6: that is, if the United States builds the missiles, that's

769
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 6: security for US, but insecurity for China, and then China

770
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 6: will respond and we end up in the security competition.

771
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 6: So usually peace is created if you recognize the security

772
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: concerns of your opponents and you tried to elevate the

773
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 6: common security, that is indivisible security. Well, after the Cold War,

774
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 6: there was only one center of power, and the US

775
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: promoted a different approach to security, which was the hegemonic piece,

776
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 6: which means you don't have to take into consideration other

777
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 6: centers of power. You only have one power which dominates

778
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 6: and Indeed, the more the US could dominate, as any

779
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 6: other countries, even coalitions could aspire to challenge the US,

780
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 6: this would be the source of security. So this was

781
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 6: the liberal hegemon, one center of power, there's no more

782
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 6: great power rivalry, and that hegemon is a liberal democracy,

783
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 6: so it will try to transcend some of the uglier

784
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 6: parts of former politics, so elevate the role of democracy

785
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 6: in human rights. This was the main idea. It would

786
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 6: be a benign hegemon. But of course the key problem

787
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 6: is over time the hegemon will always exhaust itself, as

788
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 6: we've see in more debts, and also it depends on

789
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 6: keeping other powers down. So eventually other centers of power

790
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 6: would then figure out that they have to work together

791
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 6: to balance the US. So you see institutions such as

792
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 6: bricks like why would the Brazil, Russia, India, China, South

793
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 6: Africa and you know Iran all these other countries suddenly

794
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 6: have a commonality. Well, of course they want them different

795
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 6: economic architecture, but they also want to balance hegemon hegemonic

796
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 6: aspirations of the United States.

797
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Speaker 1: So I think these are.

798
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Speaker 6: The the wider trends happening, and what I would look

799
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: for would be some of the key crisis we had,

800
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 6: for example, the attempt to break China. This was a

801
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 6: key part of this of trying to restore hedge money.

802
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 6: But it doesn't work. The Chinese are not just an

803
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 6: industrial power, they're also on high tech power. If anything,

804
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 6: they can use their AI more to be implemented within

805
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 6: industrial capacity, so they have more ability to well, to

806
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 6: make some revenue of their AI. We saw then with Russia,

807
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 6: the objective on the by the administration was to use

808
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 6: the Ukrainians to try to knock out Russia and then

809
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: the US could focus on China. It didn't work, so

810
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 6: Trump then instead tried to get Russia on our side

811
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 6: of the Ledger by improving relations. And to some extent,

812
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: the same applies for Iran. The assumption if you can

813
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 6: knock out Iran, they take out an important player at

814
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: the southern end of the Eurasian continent. The problem is

815
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 6: all of this tends to backfire. That is, when if

816
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 6: one goes after Russia, it will align itself closer with China.

817
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: Now the attempt to defeat the Iranians, they will link

818
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 6: themselves closer to both Russia and China, and ideally at

819
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: some point I think the United States will reach the

820
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 6: conclusion what many people thought was America first, which is

821
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 6: if the US just pulls back a bit, just aspires

822
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 6: to aspire to be one among many great powers, it

823
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 6: will be able to restore its domestic strength. And suddenly,

824
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 6: if it doesn't have that big footprint on the Eurasian continent,

825
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: then the Europeans, the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese would

826
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 6: begin soft balancing each other at least. But we're not

827
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 6: quite there yet. I think there's still these efforts by

828
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 6: the United States to restore its hegemony. But I think

829
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: that the defeat in the Ukraine War and now likely

830
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 6: defeat in the Iran War will more or less put

831
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Speaker 6: an end to this.

832
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Speaker 2: My last question for you, Glenn is we had a

833
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: tree to party on, and he said, you know, from

834
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Speaker 2: the Israeli perspective, they feel that this war is going great,

835
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: that this is all going exactly the way that they

836
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: wanted to go. They finally succeeded and getting a US

837
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: president to launch the war they've been pushing for years

838
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: and years. Of course, blame still lies with Trump, but

839
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: no doubt that Yahoo and others allied with him. We're

840
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: making the case, and that ended up being persuasive to Trump.

841
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Do you view it that way and how do you

842
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: see the interests of Israel diverging from the interests of

843
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Speaker 2: the United States.

844
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Speaker 6: Well, these Israelis aren't that different from the Europeans in

845
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 6: this regard, because the Europeans also think that what's missing

846
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 6: with the United States is not the capabilities. They still

847
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 6: believe the United States has this infinite resources and capabilities

848
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 6: to essential defeat wherever they want. So the Europeans wanted

849
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 6: simply for America, we can bring them back into the

850
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 6: war against Russia, then more directly, then we will win.

851
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 6: And Israel is more or less thought the same. That is,

852
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 6: if you can just get the United States to attack Iran, yes,

853
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 6: it might not exist, might not succeed with the regime change,

854
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 6: but in another long war, over time, the Iranians will

855
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 6: be weakened and hopefully the government can be toppled and

856
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 6: even possibly the country could be Balkanized. So getting finally

857
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 6: a US president after all these years, and they have

858
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 6: talked about this war for many decades, now there's this

859
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: opportunity to as long as the US kept in the war,

860
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 6: that they can knock out Iran eventually, maybe not now,

861
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 6: maybe in five years. But I guess here's that where

862
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 6: the Israel and the US begin to diverge. That is

863
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 6: not in United States interest, especially this critical time in history,

864
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 6: because as I said, the world is becoming multipolar. That's

865
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 6: just a reality in terms of the international distribution of power,

866
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 6: which means the US has to make priorities, and those priorities,

867
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Speaker 6: as the National Security Strategy outlined, is to focus on

868
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 6: the Western hemisphere in East Asia. That's where America's peer

869
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 6: competitor is, which means if you pivot too somewhere, you

870
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 6: have to pivot away from somewhere, and that would be

871
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 6: pivot away from Europe and the Middle East. And this

872
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 6: is the key problem. This is why Trump has made

873
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 6: a mistake, because the longer he remains in Europe, that

874
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 6: absorbs American resources, but it also pushes the Russians further

875
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 6: to China and also in the Middle East. The longer

876
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 6: it stays in Iran, the more it's going to divert

877
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 6: its focus away from East Asia. Indeed, the US had

878
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 6: to pull out its THAD missiles and patriots from South

879
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 6: Korea to send to the Middle East. The whole point

880
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 6: of pivoting to Asia was that it was supposed to

881
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 6: go the other way. The weapons were supposed to be

882
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 6: pulled out of Europe and the Middle East and sent

883
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 6: to East Asia. So we're seeing everything going in reverse.

884
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 6: And this was not in the strategic interest of Trump.

885
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 6: This is not what the security strategy indicated. They were

886
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 6: supposed to do the opposite. But now, of course, one

887
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: year later, the US is still involved in the war

888
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 6: in Europe and they're also now doubling down in the

889
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: Middle East. So I think this is a strategic mistake

890
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: for the United States. The fact that they most likely

891
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 6: want to win this either makes it even worse. So no,

892
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 6: I think you're going to see this expressed more now

893
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 6: in terms of divergence in the US how to view Israel.

894
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 6: What is America first? Is it the partnership with Israel

895
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: or putting America before Israel. I think you're going to

896
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 6: see more splits there now, and that's reflected in how

897
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 6: the Yeah, the strategic interest of America is changing absolutely.

898
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Speaker 3: Glenn, you are such a great guest. We can't wait

899
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: to have you back, and everybody goes subscribe to Glenn's channel.

900
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: He does such incredible interviews. We're gonna have a link

901
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 3: down in the description, and we really hope that people

902
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: will go watch his content as well.

903
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: So thank you very much, Glenn. We appreciate you.

904
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

905
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: Huge breaking news that we're gonna have to add here

906
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: at the end of the show. We can go and

907
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen. Joe Kent, who

908
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: is currently serving as the Director of the National counter

909
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Terrorism Center, has resigned from his position.

910
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Effective immediately.

911
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and read some of his letter,

912
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: which is genuinely shocking President Trump. After much reflection, I

913
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: have decided to resign from my position as the Director

914
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: of National National counter Terrorism Center, effective today. I cannot

915
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran

916
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: posed no imminent threat to our country. It is clear

917
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: we started this war due to pressure from Israel and

918
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: its powerful American lobby. I support the values and the

919
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: foreign policies that you campaigned on.

920
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: Until June of twenty twenty five, you.

921
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: Understood that wars in the Middle East were a trap

922
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots

923
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation. Early

924
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: in this administration, high ranking Israeli officials and influential members

925
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly

926
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: undermined your America First platform sowed pro war sentiments to

927
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: encourage war with Iran. The Echo Chamber was used to

928
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat

929
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: to the United States and that you should strike now

930
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: there was a clear path to a swift victory. This

931
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: was a lie and is the same tactic the Israelis

932
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that

933
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: cost our nation in the lives of thousands of our

934
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 3: best men and women. We cannot make this mistake again.

935
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: As a veteran who deployed to combat eleven times, a

936
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: gold Star husband who lost my beloved wife, Shannon in

937
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: a war manufactured by israel I, cannot support sending the

938
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: next generation off to fight and die in a war

939
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: that serves no benefit to the American people nor justifies

940
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: the cost of American lives. I pray that you will

941
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: reflect upon what we are doing in Iran.

942
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: Who are we doing it.

943
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: For the time for bold action is now. You can

944
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: reverse course and chart a new path for our nation.

945
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: Or you can allow us to slip forward further towards

946
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: decline and chaos. You hold the cards. It was an

947
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 3: honor to serve in your administration and to serve our

948
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: great nation. Absolutely stunning news. Let's just dissect it a

949
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: couple of different ways. Number One, this is the National

950
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: Director of counter Terrorism, highest security clearance in the entire

951
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: United States government. Israel or sorry in Iran, posed no

952
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: threat to the United States number one. Number two, Israel

953
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: is the person manipulating intelligence, Israel.

954
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: Pro war lobby.

955
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: Those are the people who convinced you in order to

956
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: go into war with this into war with Iran. This

957
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: is one of the most shocking resignations of the entire Trumpet.

958
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Miss I think it might be the first real big

959
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: one of somebody who was aligned with the America First movement.

960
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: And let's consider the consequences here. They're going to try

961
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: and destroy this man. I guarantee you they will try

962
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: to indict him. They're gonna say he breached his They're

963
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: gonna say he breached his security clearance by sharing information.

964
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: He was never a real patriot.

965
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: He was somebody, you know, magus or a snake, something

966
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: like that, anti semi the full stop of the pro

967
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: war machine, and the US government are going to destroy

968
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: this man. Just watch and wait, and especially if he

969
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: starts going on the podcast circuit and talking, do not

970
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: forget you know that this is somebody who deployed combat

971
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: multiple times, special operations, background, gold star husband, doesn't matter.

972
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: They're going to do everything that they possibly can. But

973
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: this should be wall to wall news. We never even

974
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 3: really had high profile reside nations like this under Iraq.

975
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think the fact that you.

976
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: Have a high high level security official with the top

977
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: security clearance saying this is Israel's war, that they manipulated

978
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: the intelligence, that you're making a huge mistake, that they

979
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: posed no imminent threat to the United States.

980
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: You have to ask seriously, how about how all of

981
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: the lies have been told by this White House?

982
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: And I think, second, what did he know to have

983
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: to resign at this point? He knew no end in sight. Yeah,

984
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: that's why he decided to do it now. So it

985
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: is a I mean a stunning development, yeah right now.

986
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, just so people know, I don't

987
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: know if you've been following this guy. Joe Kent ran

988
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: for Congress as like a hardcore Trump loyalist America. First,

989
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: there was a controversy where he was like affiliated with

990
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes Graper types and had disavow them. He was

991
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: a stop the Steel guy who's like a January sixth truth. Third,

992
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: like that's the type of milieu that he's in, so

993
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: hardcore supporter of Trump. He was a Tulsi ally, which

994
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: I think is also an interesting piece of this internally,

995
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: because apparently Tulsi and the lead up to the first

996
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: Iran War, the Twelve Day War was you know, arguing

997
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: against it and making her case fairly forcefully, ends up

998
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: getting completely sidelined. They joke about her as D and

999
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: I standing for do not invite, gets completely signlined. Now

1000
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: she's sent out to do a bunch of like election

1001
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: nonsense and Fulton counting in Puerto Rico.

1002
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 4: Whatever.

1003
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: She's not no longer part of the Iran war deliberations.

1004
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: And so in any case, Joe is one of her

1005
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: allies internally in the administration. So to see him resign

1006
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: in this very critical and public fashion, I mean, it's

1007
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: hugely noteworthy. In soccer, I'd be you know, interested to

1008
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: get your perspective on the historic comparisons to Vietnam, you know,

1009
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: sort of similarly timed concerns about wars in the past

1010
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: and how this stacks up against them. I will say,

1011
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: you know, similar to the Tucker Carlson line about oh,

1012
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: it's all Israel's valt and Trump You're getting tricked and

1013
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I just I have little patience for

1014
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: this argument that the president of the United States, who

1015
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: has can staff as an administration however he wants, can

1016
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 2: listen to whoever he wants. He can listen to Lindsay Graham,

1017
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: or he can listen to Joe Kent, or you know,

1018
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: he can listen to Tucker Carlson, or he can listen

1019
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: to Ted Cruz.

1020
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: Like he gets to choose what direction he wants to

1021
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: go in. I really chafe at the notion that.

1022
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: It's he's just being tricked and manipulated and he's you know,

1023
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: it's really not his fault. It's all the Israelis. Yes,

1024
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: the Israelis wanted this war. There is absolutely no doubt

1025
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: about that. These Raelis have wanted this war for forty years,

1026
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: and every president up until now has included Trump, has

1027
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: said no to engaging in this aggressive, hot war against Iran.

1028
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: So that is the one piece that just when I

1029
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: see it framed in the way that he frames it,

1030
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: it really you know, I just chafe against that.

1031
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: I understand your point, but don't forget he's trying to

1032
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: admit to do things. This is a real political statement

1033
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: because he wants to try and have and he's going

1034
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: to get the narrative which he wants, which is that

1035
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: a member of the administration is resigning in pro test.

1036
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: Let's look, I mean he said all the Israel stuff,

1037
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: he also resigned and basically applied that. This is on

1038
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, right. This is a different thing than saying

1039
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: it internally. This is somebody who is putting it. I

1040
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: mean literally like possibly his life on the line. And

1041
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 3: I don't mean just like his actual safety. I'm talking

1042
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: about remember this with this administration. FBI is going to

1043
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: be up his ass. They're going to be doing any

1044
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: potential investigation. The entire Zionist media is going to destroy

1045
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 3: this man.

1046
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: They.

1047
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets magically

1048
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: audited by the irs. Like, I really am not going

1049
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: to put any of that out of line. The first

1050
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: man on the line, he is like that, Look, Vietnam

1051
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: remember this, Nobody had this high profile ever resigned over

1052
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: Vietnam this early on. They said it internally, and it's

1053
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: very clear that he probably tried. I would put this

1054
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: in a totally different category. This is a person with

1055
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: a ton to lose. He's not rich, he doesn't have

1056
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: a lot of resources. This is somebody who genuinely has

1057
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: a lot to lose out of this one and he's

1058
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: putting it all out there.

1059
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: No, that is that is appol fair.

1060
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: I just get so sick of people treating Trump like

1061
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: he's just you know, a child being manipulated and being

1062
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: tricked into various things, and he's always blameless, et cetera.

1063
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: But the import of it and the risk that he's

1064
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: taking here is genuinely her.

1065
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: I cannot even describe to you, like in this in

1066
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: this environment where we have the FCC, you have cash,

1067
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: Patel Keystone, cash, Pam Bondie, these people try you think

1068
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 3: Trump is going to take this line down. The full

1069
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: force of the United States government is coming after this man.

1070
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: And he's an eleven you know, serve eleven tours in

1071
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: combat and he said, no, I can't support this. He's

1072
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: one of the only people who's not full of shit.

1073
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 3: Remember yesterday when I said, yeah, it's time to resign.

1074
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: And that's the call now from Joe Kent. So if

1075
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: you're listening to this magically, if you're not Joe Kent,

1076
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: or if you're any of these other people, uh, you know,

1077
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 3: there's only one person who can't resign.

1078
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: It's the vice president.

1079
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: Everybody else you're appointed and you serve either the pleasure

1080
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 3: of the president or of your own accord.

1081
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: It is time to go.

1082
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: It is time to create the situation that people were

1083
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: not created enough to do after Iraq, to stand up

1084
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: in front of the American people and say this is

1085
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: a bullshit, and oh that's why the war continued on.

1086
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: Don't forget Colin Powell. He dissented. Yeah, oh, it took

1087
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Speaker 3: years for him to get out, and then what two

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00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: to three years later we learn about all this stuff

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00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: that he did inside the ADMIN. But at the time

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Speaker 3: when it mattered the most, when he could have resigned

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Speaker 3: and used his immense prestige, he did nothing.

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Speaker 2: Went and did that un speech yes and yeah, and

1093
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, tarnished his reputation forever and actually made the.

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Speaker 4: Case for the war.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am wondering if he will be you know,

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Speaker 2: a one off, and you're right that the administration will

1097
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: do everything they can to smear him and make his

1098
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: life absolutely miserable to try to guarantee that he's a

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00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 2: one off, or if this starts a chain of resignations

1100
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Speaker 2: of you know, effectively fleeing the sinking ship right looking

1101
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: at this and going, this is a disaster. You've already

1102
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: got one guy who's taking this step. You know, maybe

1103
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 2: this is the move that I need to make as well.

1104
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: And if he can do it, and he can speak

1105
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Speaker 2: out and he can survive, maybe that's the right move

1106
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: for me to find the exit. So in the coming

1107
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Speaker 2: days and weeks, that will be the thing to watch.

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00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: Whether this is one guy and it's a flash in

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00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: the pan and they, you know, do everything they can

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00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: to make him miserable and destroy him, and everybody else

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00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: takes that as like a cautionary taln.

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Speaker 4: It is like I'm just getting keep my mouth shut.

1113
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Speaker 2: Or whether this opens is like a you know, opens up,

1114
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: the dam opens up the floodgates and others start to leave.

1115
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Speaker 1: I don't think a damn is going to break.

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: I do think it takes somebody of immense principle to

1117
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: have to speak out on something like this because you

1118
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: just have too much to lose. I mean, your old

1119
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: families are literally is your entire well being is at

1120
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: risk financially, you could go to prison. You have no idea,

1121
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't put any of it past this government.

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: And that's why if you look at Iraq and at Vietnam,

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00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: the dissenters were all internal. They didn't start speaking out

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00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: un till nineteen sixty nine. Some of these people that

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Speaker 3: this is the time to actually try to do something

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00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 3: about it. And what Joe has done is that now

1127
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 3: Trump has to be asked about it. Now every member

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00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: of the White House of the administration is going to

1129
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: be asked about it. Oh my god, Tulci I would

1130
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 3: not want to be her because they were allies, right,

1131
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: they were good friends. Any of the people who were

1132
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 3: friends with Joe Kant the witch hunt that's going to

1133
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: happen if, unfortunately, I hate to say it, this will

1134
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: probably work out net net for the Zionists inside the

1135
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: government because they're going to say that anybody who dissented

1136
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: is disloyal to you, and they're going to use them

1137
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: as an example. So the truth is is that internally,

1138
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: this is probably going to empower all of his Zionists

1139
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: in the pro war lobby. But the only check that

1140
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: we really have on our government is the people, is

1141
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: the democracy and the press at this current time before

1142
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: an election, and it's actually really incumbent on everyone to

1143
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: make this a big story. This guy resigned over the war.

1144
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: He said it's a lie. He said that everything they're

1145
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: telling us is a lie. And that's the only way

1146
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: to create an immense pressure cycle on the Trump administration.

1147
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: Although I wouldn't put it past our mainstream media, you

1148
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: know who more l largely support the war to try

1149
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: and I don't know what are they going to say,

1150
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: he's akroy Berg, it sucks or something.

1151
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: I can see it already.

1152
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's given them some things to work with.

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Speaker 3: The Okay, look, Joe, he's said a lot of things

1154
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Speaker 3: in fairness over the years.

1155
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Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't have done them.

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Speaker 3: Have we run in some of the same circles in

1157
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: terms of the anti war movement. And I can just

1158
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: tell you, like, there were a lot of people who

1159
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: feel this way in the Pentagon, in the White House,

1160
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: all across the government. He's the only one who actually

1161
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,479
Speaker 3: did anything about it or at least he's the first

1162
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 3: one to actually do anything about it, and that wipes

1163
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: away a lot of sins in my book. All right,

1164
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Speaker 3: we will see you all later. Thank you guys so

1165
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Speaker 3: much for watching, appreciate it. Riding Emily on tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: They'll see you then,