1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio. 2 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: What's Up, Everybody. 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: This is Cousin Jake, producer co producer of The Questlove Show. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here with our very own family member 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: open Mike Eagle. 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: I need a family name. I need to figure out 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: what my relation is. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how I got cousin Jake. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: It was funny. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: It was like the first or second time back in 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. I sat in and I was laughing 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: because I always was a fan of Questlove Supreme and 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: I'd known Fonte a long time, and Amir just was 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: like cousin Jake, and I laughed because at one point 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: I was telling somebody, I was like, man, I feel 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: like Oliver on the Brady Bunch, Like I don't like 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: this is the family and I'm here for a weird 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: like season and whatever it is, it works, and I 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: don't because cousin, as far as I know, is not 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: a reference to a TV show or anything else. 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: But not that I'm familiar with either. But you know, 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: it sounds good. 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: But you got one of the coolest names period. But 24 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 3: you know, we got to probably get something specific to 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: this environment. 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: I think so we'll find that together. We will. 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: We will with the Big Boss involved as well. 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: But I you know, there was something We taped this 29 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: interview with Riz Amoud and you know, to pull back 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: the curtain. It was originally supposed to be in person 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: in New York and this show has often you know, existed, thrived, survived, 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: evolved around travel plans, you know, and you know, a 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: mirror ended up having to be in California for a 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: couple of weeks during the hiatus of the Jimmy Fallon Show, 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: so we moved it to virtual and it was funny. 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: I shout out to Riz. He was dealing with parenthood. 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: He was in the middle of a press day, which 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've done. 39 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: It's always a day. 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Probably a different level because he's probably promoting the movie 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure to a show. Yeah, and I have been 42 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: there for a show, but even in its basic cable 43 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: it's a different world than you know, you're being television. 44 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying I've been there, But because I've been there, 45 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: I could say there's certainly levels to it, and the 46 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: level that he's operating on is probably it would probably 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: kill me to have to be kind of press that 48 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: he had to do well. 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: It's funny. 50 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: We did it in iHeart Studios, la a Mere's part 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: and Riz was in I Believe New York and there 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: was an echo just because you know, studios try to 53 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: assist and I am not the tech savvous person despite 54 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: being a producer of award winning podcast. So there was 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: echo for the first few minutes and at one point 56 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: Riz and you won't hear this in the final but 57 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: was like, hey, can you guys just check something I'm 58 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: getting like echo effect, And but it turned into a 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: really cool discussion. And you know what was interesting is like, 60 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: and I love this about this show. Things go where 61 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: they're going to go, and then you know, if there's 62 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: something to promote, there's a reason Deetra it comes back in. 63 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: But Riz want to talk about music, He asked a 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: mirror a lot of questions. 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a huge hip hop hit. Yeah yeah, 66 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people don't know that 67 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: about it, but he's huge. 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Have you ever in your capacity, like shared a stage 69 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: or a bill. 70 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Or I have not. I have not. I've just I've 71 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: heard him talked about by people who I knowed really 72 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: know what's up, and they tell me he really knows 73 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: what's up. 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that came across Oh go ahead, I'm sorry. 75 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: Uh, he makes music. I think he's done some stuff 76 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: with heems. Yeah, so yeah, I mean that's that's the homie. Okay, 77 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: that's probably the closest connection between us. 78 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, but I thought of you. 79 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: I thought of myself at one point, you know, they 80 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: Emir kind of asked him a term that you and 81 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: I have used on this platform about north stars, and 82 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: I felt like it might be resonant to your journey especially, 83 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: but he was like, you know what really guided you? 84 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: And Riz was really honest and kind of pointed to 85 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: the whole you know, raucous records movement and adjacent figures. 86 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: He says, you know, most of ya sen by to 87 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: lib quality, he mentions common to black thought. And I 88 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: thought that that was just interesting because I think you 89 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: and I are of a similar age group and a 90 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: similar taste profile. You know, what did you think when 91 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: you heard that? 92 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't surprising at all. I'm part of that same 93 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: generation where at if you had asked me from the 94 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: ages of you know, sixteen to twenty four who my 95 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: favorite rappers were, I would have said those same people 96 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: like those were Those were at that time north stars 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: in terms of rappers that people knew about, Like those 98 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: were the cream of the crop, and it was representative 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: of you know, that wave of true school hip hop, 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: raucous records, lyricist lounge, you know, Daylight's re emergence to 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: where they're connecting with people like Common and Most Death 102 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: and it's turning into soul query. It's like that whole 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: era was some of the most important music that was 104 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: ever made to me, And honestly, it's sort of a 105 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: golden era of rappers with values that aligned with mine, 106 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: both you know, societally and craft wise, really flying close 107 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: to the sun. 108 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: What do you mean by that that this. 109 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Was the time when we had gone through the early 110 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: times of hip hop where it seemed like almost equal 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: time between public enemies and NWA's like the full spectrum, right, 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: things had started to get homogenized, I believe around like 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: bad Boy, you know, the way that Biggie was able 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: to marry street rap and club rap sort of changed 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: everything to where everything was going in that direction. And 116 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: then for this moment in the mid nineties up until 117 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: like early two thousands, there was a sense almost like 118 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: it was coming back, and I won't say mainstream hip hop, 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: but like major labels were still putting resources into what 120 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: felt like vital alternative voices and rap, and so common 121 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: albums felt way big. Most stef albums felt way big. 122 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: And then you would see people like Tribes suddenly doing 123 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: songs with like punchline and Wordsworth and stuff. It was like, 124 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: oh okay. And then you know, one of the ways 125 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: I marked this era too, is that I was a 126 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: big music video head, so watching Rap City, watching your 127 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: MTV raps, and the way I would experience these shows 128 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: is that seventy percent of the stuff with stuff that 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you know this is I like 130 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: watching these shows. I like seeing what's happening. A lot 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: of the videos that they're playing it's not stuff that 132 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: I like. But then like every block there's one video 133 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, that's that's the one I like. So 134 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: it's it's misfat Booty or it's Jay Ruse, You're playing yourself. 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: Fuji's like that that sort of thing, And if Fujis 136 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: was another example of what I'm talking about, where this 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: underground hip hop trio suddenly sell like ten million albums 138 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: or something like really really cross over. So there was 139 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: a moment where we felt like, oh, this is coming back. 140 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 1: This is about to be you know, bigger and better, 141 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and there's going to be more of a balance. And 142 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: when you look back on it that, you know, ninety 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: five to two thousand, that was the golden age of 144 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: alternative voices having a foothold on that level in the industry. 145 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Because I feel like largely it's gone away from that. 146 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: That makes that really resonates too. And even Rap City. 147 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: I remember around the time where their intro became bee 148 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: Boy document the later version, you know, with high mighty 149 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: most definite skills, and they would even show that part 150 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: of like the subterranean yep. And I was like, wait, 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: and you're absolutely right, like you might get two or 152 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: three videos in that hour or two, but it was 153 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: mixed in, you know. I remember hearing definition on radio 154 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh from Black Star. 155 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: It was very hard to find the. 156 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: CD M, but we were we were exposed to it, 157 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: and then you learned years later about things like the 158 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: Telecommunity Communication Act in ninety seven changed. Yeah, but you're right, 159 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: like Rockets felt like it was punching up and and 160 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: and also it was really cool when I'm sure you 161 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: alluded this with Dayla, but like I didn't know Farrell 162 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: munchrom organized Confusion, like that was a little bit before 163 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: my time. So to watch this guy that comes out 164 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: as a solo artist and has this massive song that 165 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: is I don't use these words but a club banger yep. 166 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: And then to go back and see Oh my God, 167 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: and he and Prince Poetry made three really great albums, 168 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: and there's a previous history or ge rap, you know, 169 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: all these different folks that were coming as trains on 170 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: that car. 171 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 2: It was really cool and I love and. 172 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 3: Getting back to the question of show conversation, I'm always 173 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: astonished at how many people in hard to reach places 174 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: right now are pointing back to the same sort of 175 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: experience that you and I had as fans, yeah, and 176 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: saying how inspiring it was to them. 177 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: It was a special moment. It really was. And that 178 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: doesn't hip hop is such an interesting phenomenon historically because 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: there's like this, there's like a constant battle for its 180 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: soul happening, like it's a counterculture thing, but it also 181 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: embraces capitalism, and there's just always this dance like who 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: does it belong to? Does it belong to people, Does 183 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: it belong to the corporations, Does it belong to the 184 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: rich rappers? Does it belong to the underground rappers? Like 185 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: that is a constant sort of tug of war for 186 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: like the esthetic heart of this thing. And you know, 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: the side that I feel like I'm on usually doesn't win, 188 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: like it was winning at that time, and even then 189 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was a fraction of what 190 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: was happening, but it just felt so impactful. 191 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 3: I get to work with the Mirror and we spend 192 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: time together. We don't we don't talk hip hop much, 193 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, hey, there's a show to produce, right, 194 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: but you know, you don't get the moment. And even 195 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: in our limited dealings, like we only get but so 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: many moments to fan out. 197 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: And it was cool. 198 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: One of the things I liked about Riz that again 199 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: keeps it a totally organic podcast, is he put a 200 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: lot of the questions back to back to a mirror 201 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: and this Amir's answer also really intersected with a space 202 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: I look at you and a few other folks, you know, 203 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: like Blue and Exile or Little Brother. You know, that 204 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 3: kept that feeling going of everything that we're talking about 205 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: But there was another thing of just like you know, 206 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: Amir uses this point, I like people that are different, 207 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 3: you know, And I think he was also referring to authentic, 208 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: character driven rap and he points to a lot of 209 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: folks that are in your orbit, you know, cool Keith Eedon, 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: who's in Philly right now, MC Paul Barman, you know, 211 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: doom folks like that. And I was just curious for you, 212 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: especially as being and I'm this is my opinion you're 213 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: in that space as well, Like what did that mean, 214 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: especially after doing a whole season of shows with a 215 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: mirror kind of talking about his hip hop worldview as 216 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: it pertains to his own group, you know. 217 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: And that was the interesting thing about it. I've never 218 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: heard questloves you know, top five for five rappers that 219 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: he would name like that, And it was so interesting 220 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: not only to hear the names that he said, but 221 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: for him to be conscious of the notion of, Okay, 222 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm in a group with, you know, a person who's 223 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: widely considered the greatest rapper all time by a lot 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: of people, and thought, it's such a technical marvel and 225 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: so otherworldly and credible at like rapping his asshole literally, 226 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting that that sort of informs who A Mirror 227 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: points to as a contrast, Like so it's like it's 228 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: presupposing that you, of course you know about black Thought, 229 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: but he names Cool Keith and Edon and m C. 230 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: Paul Barman, and yeah, these are these are interesting voices, 231 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: and I think it really dovetails with something Riz was 232 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: saying too about how he felt, in his modern taste 233 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: leaned towards musicians rappers that feel like their authentic selves 234 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: on a song, and like Cool, Keith, Edon and Paul Barman, Yes, 235 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: and Doom absolutely. I mean, of course Doom wears a 236 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: mask and plays a character, but he's a unique human being. 237 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: On the mic, he don't sound like nobody else. He 238 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: sounds like himself. And that was always the thing, aside 239 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: from Paul Barman's wordplay. And this was the other thing 240 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: that was notable to me about Amir saying that, is 241 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: that is one of the things that first directly linked 242 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: me in A Mirror was A Mirror given Paul Barman 243 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: a few beats for the album that he did on 244 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Mellow Music Group when I was on Mellow Music Group, 245 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: and the first song on that album, I can't remember 246 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: what it's called, but it's and I know that the 247 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: album cover is. It's just a set of parentheses, but 248 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: I can't remember right here. Echo Chamber, Echo Chamber, and 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: I think that so the first song is called Echo Chamber. 250 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: It's the title track. That is a beat that A 251 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Mirror gave to Paul, and Paul asked me to get on, 252 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: and that was like my first real direct connection to 253 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: a mirror. And that beats crazy too because it's a 254 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd call it a remake or 255 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: a cover. It references elements of this Stereo Lab song 256 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: that Dila flip to make this bust of rhymes. 257 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: And the Milky I always get the title the Milk. 258 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love Stereo Lab. I love the buster 259 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: song that Diyla flip that before showed me what you got. 260 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: I love Paul Barman, I love quest Love. So being 261 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: on that song was so big for me and all 262 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of those ways. So I don't know, it was dope 263 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: to hear a mirror shout Paul Barman, who also just 264 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: dropped a great album with Kenny Siegel earlier this year. 265 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I need to check that out. 266 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: It's funny, you know, both iterations of QLs have this 267 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: habit because so fun fact, I'll pull the curtain back 268 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: for one thing. Anytime a song is quoted sung hum 269 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: Fonte used to just kill it with the humming, like 270 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: he could create a melody or a baseline off memory perfectly. 271 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: It goes into a bank like that's something that iHeart 272 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: requires of us so and. 273 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: I'm the guy that does it. 274 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: And it's secretly one of my favorite parts of my 275 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: job because I always listen to everything that is mentioned 276 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: and it gives it drives my musical taste. MC Paul 277 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: Barman is one of those names that came up in 278 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: your interview and you spoke about it just now as 279 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: an impetus of feeling. You know, you could run up 280 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: on a Mirr at an airport, yep. But like he's 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: come up two or three times this season. 282 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: You know, mir brings him up. 283 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: Like names that that aren't always on the tip of 284 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: your tongue. You're Drakesure, Kendrick Lamars, meet me at whatever 285 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: come up, Like Amy Grant comes up like thirty times 286 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: in the QLs over different episodes, and I love the 287 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: organic nature of all that. To echo your point, these 288 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: are all artists I love. There's a thing called Vinyl 289 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: Con going on in Philadelphia this weekend and. 290 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: E Don he hasn't put a rap album out in 291 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: a long time. 292 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so he put out Oh he didn't. 293 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: Join Homeboy Sammon. 294 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: Yep, that's the one I was about to mention. 295 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Any and that was a few years ago. 296 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: That was a few years ago now, Yeah, and it 297 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: was great. 298 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: And they did that video of my man photo Rob 299 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: shot of them in a swimming pool. 300 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Shout out the photo Rob. 301 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 302 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: But Eaton was spinning at Vinyl Con. I got to 303 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: see Boogie Blind yesterday. Great set. I was hoping he 304 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: done with Saturday. Turns out he was Sunday. But I'm 305 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: here with you and I'm happy about it. 306 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: But I love eat On too. That's the homie man, 307 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: and that beauty and the beat is one of the 308 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: greatest things. I tell him all the time, like, there's 309 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: there's nothing like that album. Yep, there's nothing like it. 310 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: And to merge psychedelia and eighties. I don't want to 311 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: call it old school, but like. 312 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: It's kind it's it's it's old school. It's old school values, 313 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: like old school rap values. He's not using like simple words, 314 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: but an old school approach to rap. 315 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: In one of my favorite promo items. 316 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: And I've over the years at times where I needed 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: to pay rent, or to pay bills or to fill tanks. 318 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 3: I've sold a lot of the things that I've accumulated, 319 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 3: you know, being in the industry. But I still have 320 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: a Beauty in the Beach shirt and I still wear it, 321 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: and I've never had anybody ever recognize any of the 322 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: names on. 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: The shirt, and that is a disappointing thing of humanity. 324 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: Because I saw with it. That's sad. That's sad, because 325 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: I loved one day and I. 326 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: Was like, that's lot Keem Shabbaz, that's Percy p that's 327 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: grand Master. 328 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 2: Like it is. It's also one of the greatest cover art. 329 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: And you know, I made it. 330 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Himself too, so I'm not surprised that he made it himself. 331 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: Man is a true artist. 332 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: Last thing, have you had the opportunity yet to see 333 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: any of the things that RIZ start in New be 334 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 3: it Hamlet or Bait or some of the past stuff. 335 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: Is that in your life? 336 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I know. I feel like I've 337 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: got to have seen him in something, but I couldn't 338 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: tell you what. 339 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: Ten years ago, The Night Of was one of still 340 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: to this day, one of the best mini series ever HBO. 341 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: It was created by one of Richard Price, who you 342 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: know did Clockers, He wrote the book Did the Wanderer. 343 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: Like Richard Price is just one of the great novelists 344 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: to me, and The Night Of is very dark and it. 345 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: You and I will appreciate this. 346 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: It does feature acting by not just Sticky Fingers, but 347 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: also Lord Jamar. 348 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this. I think I have seen this, 349 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: but I don't remember it. 350 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: John Tuturo. It's good stuff. It's good stuff. But Riz 351 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: was really cool. He apologized. He was like, guys, my 352 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: kids are running down the hall. It turned into a 353 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: really cool episode. And Riz, if you are listening to this, 354 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 355 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: For that feedback. 356 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: I'll fall on my sword for that one. 357 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, man, well to everyone. 358 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: Listening, thank you for checking out these many episodes. Again, 359 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: we're just here to unpack a few things, kind of 360 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: create a show around the show and just remind folks 361 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: that we put fifty episodes out a year and we're 362 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: also doing these. Amir will be back with us very soon. 363 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 3: But till then, man, I know you are going to 364 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: the East Coast and then jumping over the pond to Europe. 365 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: So check your open Mic Eagle dates. He won't say it, 366 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: but I will. 367 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: I appreciate it question. 368 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: LOP Show is a production of iHeartRadio.