1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Bakut podcast. Good morning is 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: find out the nineteenth of December. I'm Caroline Hepka in 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: London and I'm Stephen Carolin Brussels. Coming up today we delivered. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: EU leaders agree a landmark deal to lend Ukraine ninety 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: billion euros using joint borrowing. 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: The Bank of Japan lifts rates to their highest level 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety five, but a lack of clarity on 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: the path ahead drives yields to multi decade highs. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: Plus, internal documents reveal how alone from the billionaire Western 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: family helped trigger the collapse of a twenty three billion 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: euro empire. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: European Union leaders have reached a landmark agreement to lend 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Ukraine ninety billion euros for the next two years. The 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: decision came in the early hours of this morning, after 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: marathon talks in Brussels. Under the agreement, to the E, 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: you will raise joint debt backed by the block's budget 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: to fund the loan. That's a significant pivot from a 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: previous plan favored by many countries to use Russian assets 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: frozen on EU soil. Speaking after the deal, EU cancel 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: President Antonio Costas set out how the agreement would still 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: be tied back to those Russian assets. 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: As a matter of urgency, we will provide a loan 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: backed by the European Union budget. This will address the 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: urgent financial needs of Ukraine. The Union reserves its right 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: to make use of the immobilized asset to repay this loan. 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: At the same time, we gave a mandate to the 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: Commission to continue working on the reparation loan based on 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: Russian immobilized assets. 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Antonio Costa, speaking there as leaders hope the deal will 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: strengthen Key's hand the negotiating table and keep the war 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: torn country afloat. Speaking after the agreement, Germany's Chancellor friederate 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: Martz described the deal as a pragma good solution. Francis 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: President Emmanuel Macron said the absence of this decision would 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: have been a disaster, but that Europe will have to 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: find a way to engage directly with Vladimir Putin as 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: the US that pushes ahead with peace talks now. 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: Japanese bond yields have jumped after the Bank of Japan 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: hiked interest rates to the highest level since nineteen ninety five. 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: While the bank's quarter point moved to zero point seventy 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: five percent was widely expected, traders are focusing on the 43 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: lack of clear guidance on the timing of future hikes. 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: Here is our Japanese economics reporter, Paul Jackson. 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: It's not quite back to the nineteen eighties, but it's 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: suddenly back to the nineteen nineties. This is the highest 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: interest rate since the nineties, three years since it's been 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 4: this high. And we've seen the en weeken a tad 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: after the decision, and we've also seen benchmark yields arise 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: above two percent, and they haven't really been at that 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: level regularly since the late nineteen nineties. 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: JGB yield's currently trading at two sports zero two. Paul 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: Jackson speaking there this after Bloomberg reported last week that 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: Bank of Japan officials see it as likely than interest 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: rates will eventually rise above zero point seventy five percent 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: before the titening cycle ends. 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: The Bank of England delivered it's expected rate cut yesterday, 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: but as policymakers are warning there's limited room for more reductions. 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Britain Central Bank moved its base rate to a three 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: year low of three point seventy five percent. The Governor, 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Bailey says recent inflation data has been a positive surprise. 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 5: I think now that we're on a path where we'll 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 5: probably be around this level for a few months, but 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 5: we think that come to spring April May time we 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 5: should see another quite sharp drop and take us hope 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 5: to run target. So we're going to come back to 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 5: targets sooners than we forught, so that's encouraging. All of 68 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 5: us is are encouraging. 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Bailey's decision to cost rates for a sixth time comes 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: as concerns in Britain shift away from persistent inflation and 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: towards a stuttering economy and labor market. Despite that, a 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: new survey of consumers suggests sentiment has improved in the 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: run up to Christmas. JFK's gauge for big ticket spending 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: rows to minus eleven in December, of four points from 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: November and the highest score since January twenty twenty two. 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: In other news, officials have found the dead body of 77 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: the suspected gunman in a rampage at Brown University. The 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: suspect was named as Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente, forty eight 79 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: year old Portuguese national who was a former student at Brown. 80 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: The chief of police in the town of Providence, Oscar Perez, 81 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: says the suspected shooter took his own life. 82 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 6: An individual was identified as Claudio Nevis Olynthi and he 83 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 6: was a forty eight year old man. He was a 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 6: Portuguese national and his last name, non Adress, was in Miami, Florida. 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: The authority say there is no longer a threat to 86 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: the public and a man hunt which had lasted nearly 87 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: a week. Two people were killed and nine were wounded 88 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: in the mass shooting lost Saturday at Brown University. 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: TikTok is being acquired by a group of buyers led 90 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: by Oracle after a long delayed plan to separate from 91 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: its Chinese parent company. Byte Dance. CEO show Too told 92 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: employees about binding agreements to create a US joint venture 93 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: majority owned by American investors in an internal memo seen 94 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: by Bloomberg. The news comes after a national security law 95 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: passed under former US President Joe Biden mandated byte Dance 96 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: and TikTok Us to have no operational relationship. Our senior 97 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: editor for Technology and Strategic industries. Michael Shepherd says, we 98 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: still don't have all the information, and yet the. 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 7: Security guarantees are going to be one of the big 100 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 7: questions out there, and the other will be has China 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 7: signed off on this as well, and we are waiting 102 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 7: to see what Beijing will see and if it has 103 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 7: been part of the tree conversation in books. 104 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: Michael Shepherd speaking there, the terms outlined in choose note 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: to employees appear to leave the door open for bitedowns 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: to potentially retain oversight of key parts of US TikTok. 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: The dealers expected to close on the twenty second of January, 108 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: but Chinese regulators have yet to say whether they'll approve 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: the transaction. 110 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: Wells Fargo has been sued by a former manager who 111 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: claims the bank faked its diversity commitments. Joseph Bruno says 112 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: that he was fired after objecting to what he identified 113 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: as the lenders practice of interviewing minority candidates for jobs 114 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: that were already filled. The allegations made by him and 115 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: others sparked a criminal investigation led by the US Department 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: of Justice into whether the bank violated civil rights laws. 117 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: The probe was later closed without charges, according to a 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: regulatory filing. Wells Fargo didn't immediately respond to the news. 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: The bank has previously called Bruno's claims baseless and said 120 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: that the fake interviews were and widespread if they happened 121 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: at all. Those are some of our top stories for 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: you this morning. Let's just go through the markets. With 123 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: that Bank of Japan hike, we are watching the Japanese yeend, 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: which is weakening three tenths lower against the dollar, even 125 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: though we've seen a spike in yields. Ten year JGB 126 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: yields have moved five basis points higher, so two spots 127 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: zero two for the tenia benchmark, the nicky rallying more 128 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: than one percent the year, a little change up in 129 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: stock features down three tenths after the USCPI reading yesterday, 130 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: cooling tenure. US Treasury yields adding two basis points this morning, 131 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Dollar Spot index is ticking a little bit higher. 132 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: That is a look at the markets. 133 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more on that major 134 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: EU deal to provide financial support to Ukraine, plus why 135 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: a private loan from the owner of selfadgees became a 136 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: flashpoint in the collapse of a twenty three billion euro empire. 137 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: But another story that we've been reading this morning or watching, 138 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: I should say, if you're being currently swamped to a 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: corporate Christmas messages at Sparethard for the top manager to Blackstone. 140 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: To celebrate the private equity giant's fortieth birthday, they produced 141 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: a special holiday video about their midlife crisis. Let's take 142 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: a listen. 143 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Earning forty it's a really big deal. 144 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: Did you get a nose ering? 145 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: I've always had this. 146 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 8: Some of us are in denial that we've become a 147 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 8: mature organization. 148 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 9: Hey, guys, let's start buying sports teams. Okay, we could 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 9: buy Ferraris. No, let's buy Ferrari. 150 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're definitely having him in life crisis? 151 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 8: Are we rolling? 152 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 7: Even Steve's going through it well, I was thinking of 153 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 7: becoming a DJ. 154 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 9: Steve Schwarzman DJ He'd crush as. 155 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: That was Golbin Saxeo, David Solomon making a cameo at 156 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: the end there in that Blackstone video. Other notable appearances. 157 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: Danny DeVito's in it as well. It's actually over seven 158 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: minutes long. I mean it's quite the storytelling. Yes, very 159 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: impressive to have put this together. But also I mean, 160 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: these people whose day job is not acting did a 161 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: not bad job. 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: I have to say, I don't understand now that you 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: have to be a money manager but be able to 164 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: moonlight as a late night talk show host slash comedy 165 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: you know. Genius. Of course, it's beautifully edited and carefully 166 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: thought out. I mean, all powered to them. I think 167 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: it was a good effort and it is actually quite funny. 168 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, it's also part of the business message 169 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: they're trying to get across too, as they're actually opening 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: up their business to more This was everyday investors or 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: more retail investors as well. Will they be won over 172 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: by guitar riffs and eighties hairstyles? Is not the worst 173 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: campaign I could think after try and get people's attention. 174 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, love it. Okay, Well, that's something that has caught 175 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: our attention. I'm sure it will be doing the rounds today, 176 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: no doubt. But let's also think about our top story 177 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: today and the deal reached by EU leaders to use 178 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: common debt for a loan to Ukraine of ninety billion 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 2: euros over the next two years. Now, Steve and I 180 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about the significance of this deal 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: as the euse foreign policy of kaya Kalas was in 182 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: the radious studio with us yesterday. She told you that 183 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: she only saw fifty to fifty chands of any agreements. 184 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: But it was also the fact that it took so 185 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: long to get to this deal and went on into 186 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: the wee small hours of the morning. 187 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 188 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: Indeed it was just before three am local time here 189 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: when the deal was actually announced. The message going into 190 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: this is that a deal had to be found because 191 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: Ukraine's financial situation was so powerless in the coming months 192 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: that the EU needed to step up and do something. 193 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: Kaya Klass wasn't overly optimistic when we spoke to her 194 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: yesterday morning, and that was because of the continued opposition 195 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: from Belgium to a plan to use frozen Russian assets 196 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: that are held mostly at Euroclear in muscles to back 197 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: the ninety billion euro loan for Ukraine. Now, there was 198 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: a second option on the table, or some diplomatsa described 199 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: as being on the shelf in the run up to 200 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: this meeting, and this would have been using the EU's 201 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: own budget to back joint borrowing for the loan for Ukraine. 202 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: It was seen as much less likely going into this 203 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: meeting and actually that is closer to what we got 204 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: in the final version of the agreement. So the ninety 205 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: billion eurolone will come from joint EU debt issuance using 206 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: the headroom that's available in the EU's budget currently. That 207 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: was passed with unanimous agreement. But Ukraine will only need 208 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: to pay back that loan once it receives reparations from Russia, 209 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: and the EU has reserved the right to make use 210 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: of those frozen Russian assets to finance the loan, and 211 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: those assets will stay frozen until the reparation's loan is paid, 212 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: so there is still a link to those frozen Russian 213 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: assets in this deal, even though the initial financing will 214 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: come from joint EU borrowing. Now the conclusions do note 215 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: that this deal, this compromise that was found, it doesn't 216 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: actually will not have an impact on the financial obligations 217 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: from three member states Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. 218 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: So that means that if there were to be a repayment, 219 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: that this wouldn't fall on those member states. So that 220 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: clearly gives an indication of what the negotiations were like 221 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but it was signed off on by 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: all those countries that's the nitty gritty. If we talk 223 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: about the significance, this is a huge achievement for EU leaders. 224 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: They've demonstrated despite all of the criticism, that they can 225 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: do a deal. Kayaklas told us this yesterday that a 226 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: deal would send a signal of support to Ukraine, but 227 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: also to Russia that the EU is still present and 228 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: supporting Kiev, and also to the US that the EU 229 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: is stepping up where the US is pulling back. That 230 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it was an easy solution, a very 231 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: long day of negotiations, as we mentioned. I can tell you, Carl, 232 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: and I'm normally the first person in this office in 233 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: the morning, and the time that I arrived, the coffee 234 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: cups were still warm from our colleagues who'd been here 235 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: all night reporting on this as well. There are, of 236 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: course more details to be worked out, but it is 237 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: nonetheless a headline that e uias wanted to see this morning, 238 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: that there was a deal. 239 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's very interesting then that it is 240 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: being seen in this positive light. And want to bring 241 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: in Tony Haupin, who leads our team covering Russia for more. Tony, 242 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: very good to speak to you. How important do you 243 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: think this deal is from your perspective for Ukraine, Karl Well. 244 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 9: I mean Ukraine had said basically it was a matter 245 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 9: of their survival whether they got this money or not. 246 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 9: As even know of the US has pulled back, it's 247 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 9: provided practically no financing this year for Ukraine. And if 248 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 9: EU had blinked and said that we're not able to 249 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 9: provide financing going into twenty twenty six, Ukraine was facing 250 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 9: a really dire situation to fund its government and to 251 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 9: continue supporting its defense much beyond spring. The deal now 252 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 9: allows Ukraine to stand up and say, well, look, we 253 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 9: have the support of our European allies. We are able 254 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 9: to continue this war effort. And that's the signal to 255 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 9: Russia as well that it's not going to step back 256 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 9: and that therefore it can't be browbeaten into some kind 257 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 9: of unacceptable deal. That it's there to negotiate, but it 258 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 9: can't be forced into surrender. 259 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: But the frozen assets are still in line to be 260 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: used eventually to repay this loan if there isn't reparations 261 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: paid to Ukraine. Of course, part of the hesitancy of 262 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: using those assets in the first place was the risk 263 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: of retaliation from Russia. How is Moscow likely to respond 264 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: to this plan? 265 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, so the Central Bank of Russia's been making very 266 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 9: threatening noises in the last week or so. It's begun, 267 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 9: for example, legal action in Russia against europe Clear for 268 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 9: in access to two hundred billion euros. It's also yesterday 269 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 9: it threatened to extend legal action to European banks where 270 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 9: Russia's frozen assets were stored. And it was basically raising 271 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 9: the tensions and making an attempt really to see if 272 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 9: some members of the European Union would blink them back away. 273 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 9: On one level, you could say that that actually had 274 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 9: some effect, right because in the end they couldn't find 275 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 9: consensus on this original plan for frozen assets to raise 276 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 9: the money back by the U budget. But it's still 277 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 9: the fact that the Russian assets are frozen, and that's 278 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 9: going to be a bonus contention for years to come. 279 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. So let's see then what happens with this. 280 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: But a very important day when it comes to Ukraine. Nonetheless, Tony, 281 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Tony Happin, who leads 282 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: our team covering Russia. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg 283 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 2: daybaqube coming up after. 284 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: This Rene Benko, the Austrian property tycoon who built a 285 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: twenty three billion euro global empire spanning Newark's Chrysler Building 286 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: to London's Selfridge's department store before his company signa prime 287 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: selection collapsed, faces potential new fraud charges. According to a 288 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: dossier compiled by Austrian authorities and examined by Bloomberg new 289 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Benko denies wrongdoing. But let's dig into the details of 290 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: this story with our Vienna bureau chief Martin Edder. Martin, 291 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: good to talk to you. These documents are the most 292 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: detailed look at the inner working of Benko's business. Tell 293 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: us more about who he is and he's another arrest 294 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: since January. 295 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 8: Good morning. So, Rene Benko is a self made businessman. 296 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 8: He he was once one one of the richest in Austria, 297 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 8: you know, after the red Bull family, Mattershits and the 298 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 8: Porsche family. He owned a number of high profile luxury 299 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 8: real estates across Europe. You could mention the self Redges 300 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 8: department store, but also the Hotel Bower in Venice and 301 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 8: cadiv in Berlins. And his story is very much that 302 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 8: of the zero interest rate era. You know, he was 303 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 8: investing in real estate when he could get cheap loans 304 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 8: and and and property prices were rising, so that that 305 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 8: obviously faced headwinds when when the interest rates went higher 306 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 8: after the Russia's invasion of Ukraine. So he's faced a 307 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 8: number of problems. His companies are insolvent and him personally, 308 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 8: he's been in pre trial detention in since January. He's 309 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 8: been sitting in a They also have started to prison 310 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 8: in Vienna's ninth District and prosecutors have taken him into 311 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 8: court on two accounts of insolvency fraud. He has appealed 312 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 8: to the verdict so far and he denies wrongdoing. So 313 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 8: that's largely where we stand in in Banco's personal fight 314 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 8: with justice. 315 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so when it comes to his company Signa, there 316 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: are quite a number of interesting names and players involved 317 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: in this story. How did Canada's Western Family end up 318 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: being caught up in the insolvency. 319 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, so this is a very interesting story and this 320 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 8: is what we focus on in our piece today. The 321 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 8: Western Family obviously they own a lot of retail businesses 322 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 8: in North America and they used to be the owners 323 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 8: of the Selfridges department store in London. They owned it 324 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 8: for eighteen years and sometime around the COVID pandemic, they 325 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 8: said that, well, maybe the retail is such concentration in 326 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 8: retail is not the best idea. So they started looking 327 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 8: for a buyer. And here comes ren A Banco, who 328 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 8: already owned luxury department stores stores in Switzerland and Berlin 329 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 8: in Germany. And obviously he was a good candidate, and 330 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 8: he's a very convincing person, very charming person, like many Austrians, 331 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 8: and he put an appropriate deal on the table, and 332 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 8: so they agreed to the transaction at the end of 333 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 8: twenty twenty one. And it was an interesting time because 334 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 8: consumers were returning to in person purchases, the mood was 335 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 8: somewhat buoyant after COVID restrictions, and there was really a 336 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 8: sense that retail might be a booming industry in the 337 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 8: coming years. What they didn't didn't understand, at least on Benco. 338 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 8: For Benco, was that that interest rates would start rising. 339 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 8: You know, this was just before Russia invaded Ukraine. So 340 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 8: they they signa undoubtedly already faced difficulties in trying to 341 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 8: close the deal, coming up with the financing. And this 342 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 8: is the link where the Western family got involved with 343 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 8: the broader insolvency of Signa. The Western Family provided a 344 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 8: three hundred million pound vendorlone to help close the deal. 345 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 8: So the whole deal was worth four billion pounds and 346 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 8: the Western family was willing to put three hundred million 347 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 8: pounds in to help the financing. This is not uncommon, 348 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 8: but it is sort of a commitment to the transaction 349 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 8: and over the course of the insolvency, which in Earnest 350 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 8: the financial difficulty started in twenty twenty three, but the 351 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 8: insolvencies were fired at the end of twenty twenty three. 352 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 8: That left West the Western family with the large part 353 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 8: of that loan outstand and they're still fighting to get 354 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 8: that money back. 355 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: So where do the investigations stand in Austria Now? 356 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 8: There are a number of invest lines of investigations. So 357 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 8: so far the prosecutors have filed two charges of insolvency 358 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 8: fraud against Benko himself. Obviously he has denied wrongdoing and 359 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 8: he's fighting those verdicts. So one of the verdicts is 360 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 8: a two year prison sentence for donating three hundred thousand 361 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 8: euros to his mother just before his insolvency. So basically 362 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 8: prosecutors say that that was a transaction that hid some 363 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 8: of his private wealth from creditors in a time when 364 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 8: he shouldn't have been making those payments. The other strand 365 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 8: is quite a similar insolvency fraud case. He locked up 366 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 8: some of his luxury watchers in a safe and prosecutors 367 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 8: say that that was also legal from an insolvency process 368 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 8: a standpoint, But prosecutors are also looking at broader fraud 369 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 8: insolvency fraud, and embezzlement charges. Benko has denied wrongdoing on 370 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 8: these arm but those have yet to go to court. 371 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 8: And the documents that we reviewed relate to one of 372 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 8: these strands and and how Renee Benco allegedly used some 373 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 8: money that he he collected from shareholders for a capital 374 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 8: increase and and ran it through a network of companies 375 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 8: and then used that money and presented that money as 376 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 8: his own arm and sort of the Western links comes 377 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 8: here that he actually used some of that money as 378 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 8: part of the financing difficulties to try and repay the 379 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 8: Western loan. 380 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: Above. 381 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 8: Apart from that, there's also a few arm arbitration cases. 382 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 8: We have seen court filings from some of his most 383 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 8: prominent investors, Mubadala in the middle East and some other 384 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 8: higher file family officers and well this insolventy administrators are 385 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 8: still trying to sift through the rubble of his empire. 386 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 8: And I can tell you lawyers and courts will be 387 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 8: busy with this signal story for a number of years. 388 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 8: In Pieno. 389 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 390 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 391 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 392 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 393 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 394 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 395 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 396 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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