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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansers, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosens. Up. Guys,

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Speaker 1: it's happening back again another show. What does that mean? Mark?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a tone in your voice there. No,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like we were just here, that you

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Speaker 1: want to be here. I couldn't be more excited to

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Speaker 1: be in here. Mark. Remember the days when you worked

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Speaker 1: at that major firm doing paperwork where you hated the

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Speaker 1: job so much that when you quit, you left and

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Speaker 1: you had nothing in your desk to take away because

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Speaker 1: you were that uninvested in the operation. And now look

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Speaker 1: where you are. They gave me an exit interview and

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Speaker 1: drove away. Didn't you want to have didn't you want

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Speaker 1: to have a job? And maybe this was it where

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Speaker 1: you wrote a proposal contract proposals for nefarious organizations and

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Speaker 1: things like that. Yes, and I can say no more

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Speaker 1: and I got out of there. You have had a

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Speaker 1: lot of crazy jobs along with Wesley, and now you

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Speaker 1: don't try to pass it off on West. Now you

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Speaker 1: write for the NFL and you speak into microphones for

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Speaker 1: podcasts and they put your beautiful mug in front of

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Speaker 1: a camera to talk about all the news. You are

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Speaker 1: living the high life to beautiful boys and a beautiful wife.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Let's go. Let's go with the show. This

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Speaker 1: is your life, marks all right, So great show today,

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday to everyone, all our listeners around the world.

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Speaker 1: Special show today. They're all special. This one's nice too.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Hall of Fame, which

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Speaker 1: is they're inducting new members into the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame in Canton, Ohio this weekend. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into a little Hall of Fame chatter, gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what guys in the NFL can achieve

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Speaker 1: do the news and uh, I just want to check

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Speaker 1: in with Zach Zack with AH, yes, what's up, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: how I'm fantastic. I just want to say, Zach, flawless

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Speaker 1: production work on Wednesday's podcast. You never know what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: We've had so many producers, the spinal tap drummer syndrome

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Speaker 1: Great work, and but all it really means is there's

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Speaker 1: worried about that. Yes, I was like, I confirmed with

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Speaker 1: So i'd be scared if I were TD, you know,

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Speaker 1: twiddling my thumbs and Canton, Ohio looking for something to do.

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Speaker 1: To find out that yesterday's show was sterling produced beautifully.

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Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks running back reported to camp on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So now he's back in camp. He accrued about five

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Speaker 1: Seattle is trying to build without a lot of emotion

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Speaker 1: that running back depth chart is scary when Peyton Hillis

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Speaker 1: the inimitable Larry Donald is their starting tight end. They

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Speaker 1: could they could pick a Colt Laarlow off the trash

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Speaker 1: pile in a few weeks if that helps. David Wilson

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Speaker 1: is more talented than this guy. But it's reminiscent of

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Speaker 1: wait till after three practices are over before we worry

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Speaker 1: about opening nine yesterday or excusing. On Wednesday's podcast, we

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Speaker 1: actually were talking about Johnny Manzel. There was a photo

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Speaker 1: at a bar of manzell Um appeared to be hanging

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Speaker 1: out with a couple of teammates drinking a cold one.

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Speaker 1: Someone snapped a photo. It got posted on a sports

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Speaker 1: gossip site, and then some it got picked up by

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Speaker 1: some Cleveland area papers, including the Acron Beacon Journal. I

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Speaker 1: tweeted out my displeasure with that, thinking it was not

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Speaker 1: fair to Manziel. We talked about it on the podcast

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday as well, and then I got a phone

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Speaker 1: call from the writer of that story, Nate Ulrich, who

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Speaker 1: wanted to come on the aroundy podcast and tell his

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Speaker 1: side of the story, why he thinks that was newsworthy

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Speaker 1: and why it should have been used. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we get him on the phone, Mr Zach all right,

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Speaker 1: Nate Ulrich of the acron Beacon Journal, how you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Doing well? Thanks for having me, you got it, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Around the League Podcast. As I said, before

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Speaker 1: Nate wrote the piece about Johnny Manzel, who was seen

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Speaker 1: in the bar outside near the Browns Complex, I sent

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Speaker 1: a tweet expressing that I didn't think that story should

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Speaker 1: be up or and didn't see it as fair. I

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Speaker 1: spoke with Nate later that night. Nate. I think Nate's

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Speaker 1: exact quote was as a bit of a Twitter drive by,

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Speaker 1: because he ended up getting a lot of venom on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: as can happen on Twitter, and Ian Rappaport NFL Media Inside,

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Speaker 1: also tweeted what I had tweeted and added his own

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Speaker 1: opinion on it, which led to more of a firestorm. So, Nate,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, unhappy with the NFL media team right there?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Nate? Well, you know, I just wish

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Speaker 1: that it would have went down a little differently, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think in hindsight, you know, from what

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Speaker 1: we talked about on the phone last night, did't agree

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Speaker 1: with that. Um. You know, for you to agree with

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Speaker 1: it or for you to disagree with that, you know

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Speaker 1: that that's fine. But I I really do strive to

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Speaker 1: be fair and and you know, I've covered the team.

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Speaker 1: This will be my fifth season. I've covered him day in,

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Speaker 1: day out, and and that's one thing that I really

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Speaker 1: try to do. UM, I thought it was a fair

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Speaker 1: story because, um, you know, when you look at this

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Speaker 1: whole three months uh saga, you know, ongoing story of

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Speaker 1: Johnny manzel and and his uh you know, his his

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Speaker 1: party and his off field behavior. UM. You know, one

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Speaker 1: of the main questions was is it going to continue?

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Speaker 1: Is he going to go out when training camp starts?

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Speaker 1: And they didn't have practice Wednesday here in Barria, you know,

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Speaker 1: so Tuesday night gave the players a little bit of

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Speaker 1: opportunity to have downtime and Johnny at the bar, you know,

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Speaker 1: during that downtime. So I thought that it was noteworthy

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Speaker 1: to you know, pass it along that you know, Johnny

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Speaker 1: Manziel did go out during training camp that that answer, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, surface the way it did, so, um, you know, my, my,

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Speaker 1: my big takeaway, and my I guess my main point is,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not pretending that this is on the

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Speaker 1: same level as some of the other antics we've seen.

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Speaker 1: It's not him floating on the swan. It's not you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not him rolling money in a bathroom. It's him

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Speaker 1: going out and having some drinks. It's pretty low key, okay,

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Speaker 1: and it's not the end of the world. But I

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Speaker 1: felt that it was noteworthy to point out that this happened.

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Speaker 1: And you know, here we are in training camp and

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Speaker 1: a question had been answered. Hey, Nate, this is Chris Wesley. Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's it going? All right? I get you just answered

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Speaker 1: my question. I'm gonna say so, obviously this is not

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Speaker 1: on the same level as the activities which brought his

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Speaker 1: name into the news is the first place. So I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how that's news, don't you. I

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Speaker 1: mean to me, this has just got your journalism. We

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Speaker 1: caught you in a situation where you're out with teammates,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna make a much bigger deal of it

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Speaker 1: than it than it is, especially when like you said,

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Speaker 1: they have an off day the next day. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: a huge part of the storyline here in Northeast Ohio.

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Speaker 1: People are constantly talking about sports talk radio people just

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Speaker 1: you know, talking to me asking me just you know,

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Speaker 1: anytime I run in anybody, Hey, you know, if they're

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Speaker 1: talking about Johnny Manziel and you think he's gonna continue

506
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Speaker 1: to to go out, He's gonna go out when training

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Speaker 1: came started, So he's not gonna be able to go out.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna have any time. Mike Evans

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Speaker 1: teammate from Texas A and M and then this was

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Speaker 1: in the post I wrote, and he predicted the NFL

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Speaker 1: Reky Symposium in training camp. Johnny, He's not gonna go

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Speaker 1: out at all. So, um, you know I did viewed

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Speaker 1: has got you journalism? I viewed it as you know,

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Speaker 1: we're chronic cooing Johnny Manziel's lifestyle off the field. This

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Speaker 1: is something that you know has has been going on

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Speaker 1: for three months. He is a phenomen I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: unlike anyone else I've ever covered in and probably unlike

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Speaker 1: anyone else a lot of other people have covered and

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Speaker 1: that he is a celebrity and Jerry Jones fitted on

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Speaker 1: the head. I think when he said he was like Elvis.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a lot of uh things that

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Speaker 1: Johnny does, um are going to get people talking. And

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Speaker 1: and you know, we all have bosses in this business,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I know my boss is one content

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Speaker 1: on Johnny Manziel and UM. You know, maybe that speaks

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Speaker 1: a larger issue, um, but there is definitely an emphasis

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Speaker 1: on Johnny Manzel. What's he doing, what's he up to?

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Speaker 1: And you know all that played into this. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: on us though, too make those decisions that maybe toned down, uh,

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Speaker 1: the fever that's following Manzel and kind of like making

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Speaker 1: those judgment calls between Okay, this is him going out

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Speaker 1: let's say till three or four in the morning during

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Speaker 1: a bunch of training camp days straight or a day

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Speaker 1: before practice or whatever, and using judgments like Okay, this

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Speaker 1: time he's with teammates. It's you know, doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: that big a deal. The rest of the team was

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Speaker 1: probably out having having a beer to every team. You know,

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Speaker 1: in NFL history, if you go read books like we

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Speaker 1: glorify all the guys for sneaking out and getting beers

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Speaker 1: behind Chuck Noll's back when you're in the seventies Steelers

541
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't isn't on us the sort of tamped

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Speaker 1: down some of the hysteria that that follows around this guy.

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Speaker 1: It is on us to make those decisions. I made

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Speaker 1: the decision I made because, Um, Johnny Manziel isn't just

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Speaker 1: another guy. If if Joe Thomas is out having a beer, um,

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Speaker 1: it's not a story. Because Joe Thomas wasn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: partying virtually every week inflate May. Joel Thomas wasn't promising

548
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of people publicly and privately. You know that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to continue to party the way he

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Speaker 1: did in college, and that you would be football seven. Um,

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00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you know all that goes into it as well as

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00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: Hey coach Mike Petting and general manager Ray Farmer met

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Speaker 1: with Manziel about his off field behavior. They met with

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Speaker 1: him in address specifically, UM, the photo of enrolling of

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Speaker 1: money expressed concerned, Um, Jimmy hasm just a couple of

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Speaker 1: days earlier. Um, I'm talking about a couple of days

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Speaker 1: earlier from from when Johnny went out during the the

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Speaker 1: off the off night that would have been uh, Saturday

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Speaker 1: when camp opened, Jimmy hasn't spoke to reporters and and

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Speaker 1: it was very stern and said, we expect better, um

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Speaker 1: and and we think, um, you know, Johnny got the message.

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Speaker 1: You know, we want him to make his news um

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Speaker 1: on the field, not off the field. And again I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that, you know, going out and you know,

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Speaker 1: having a few years or whatever it may have been

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Speaker 1: at a bar is comfortable to some of the other

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Speaker 1: things that he did. But it did answer a question

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Speaker 1: in my mind about whether you would continue to go out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he said, hey, I'm gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: have a social life. And I put this quote in

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Speaker 1: the post in question, and it's all about, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have fun no matter what I'm doing, whether

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Speaker 1: I'm playing football, whether I'm playing golf, or whether I'm

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Speaker 1: having a night life. I'm gonna continue to have fun.

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Speaker 1: So nobody should be surprised by it. But it did

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Speaker 1: answer a question He's going to continue to go out

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00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: during camp. He went out, and you guys keep saying

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Speaker 1: with teammates, I'm not aware if he was out with teammates.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys aware of something I'm not? Apparently it

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00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: was I had seen photos where appeared to was Tyler

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Speaker 1: Thigpen Thigpen and another quarterback on the depth jar Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've not seen the photos that I've identified those guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know this, it's good to have two sides of

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Speaker 1: the story, and we do. Uh. Nate does great work

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00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: for the acron Beacon Journal. You could read about his

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00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: coverage of the Browns at Ohio dot com slash Browns.

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00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: And you can follow Nate on Twitter at nate or

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00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: or erlick er Nick excuse me, a b j uh

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00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: follow all the Browns news. So, Nate, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on and telling your side of the story. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we're all in agreement that if

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel wins, a lot of this stuff becomes just

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Speaker 1: fodder that might even become positive for his legacy, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. And and that's what I want guys.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know, and I really mean this,

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Speaker 1: I don't like writing about that kind of stuff. I

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00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: used to play football. I got into this business because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ultimately cover football's to dream come true

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00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: to do that, and I want to write about football.

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Speaker 1: We all have bosses and I'm trying to do my

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Speaker 1: job and thoroughly cover the team in all aspects of it,

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Speaker 1: including its highest profile player. Cool Nate, Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for calling in, and uh we'll continue to

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Speaker 1: read your stuff. Thanks man, Thanks, Thanks all right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, well do you have to do that?

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Speaker 1: You know, put a guy on the defensive. Now we're

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Speaker 1: all Woodward and Bernston. Dan Hands has taken shots. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't taking shots, and I I agreed with you. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, the one thing I felt bad about,

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Speaker 1: and I talked about Nate on the phone, uh the

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Speaker 1: day before he just came on, was that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean for him to get fried on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: which is apparently what happened. But you know, I stand

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Speaker 1: by my feeling that I don't think necessarily that should

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Speaker 1: have been a post. But he says that he thinks

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Speaker 1: it's part of the story and needs to be documented.

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Speaker 1: If Dan if Ian chose to read tweet me instead

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Speaker 1: of you, I'm the one he would have called. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for falling under grenade. There. All right, we'll

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Speaker 1: move forward. We'll close today with some talking about the

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen Pro Football Hall of Fame and the

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Speaker 1: upcoming class this weekend. Here's a rundown of this year's class.

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Speaker 1: Derek Brooks, Ray Guy, Claude Humphrey, Walter Jones, Andre Reid,

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan, and NEAs Williams. Nice little group there. Why

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Speaker 1: don't we just will start their thoughts about that class?

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Speaker 1: Anybody jump out to you? Is that the extra deserving

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Speaker 1: of Enstroyment? Well? Each Hall of Fame class kind of

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Speaker 1: has their leader almost where you're like, all right, all

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Speaker 1: the guys are obviously legends, but that guy's the biggest legend.

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Speaker 1: And to me, Walter Jones is that guy of this group.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy when you watched him, not like we're

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Speaker 1: experts on offensive line play, but he's the one. In

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Speaker 1: the middle of his career, everyone knew he was a

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Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean you just knew

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Speaker 1: watching him that he's one of the greatest players to

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Speaker 1: ever play at his position. I think he's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna end up being ranked right below Anthony Mnios

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Speaker 1: is the second best offensive tackle in NFL history. I'm excited.

639
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how you can't be for

640
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Speaker 1: punch Ray Guy. Okay, it's been too long. And this

641
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: has been a campaign that's waged, uh, you know, by

642
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: many for years and years, including the vaguely annoying Chris Clue. Well,

643
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Clue definitely was at the forefront of that, but he

644
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: was not alone. How Davis was fighting for. You know,

645
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Ray Guy has gone on to teach hundreds of other

646
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: punters the skill he is. He loves teaching. And I

647
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: don't know, this is the guy that I'm watching on too,

648
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: and you know who's inducting John Madden. Ray Guy is

649
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: hanging out and has the endorsement of some Raiders heavy.

650
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: I just always wonder why Ray Guy instead of like

651
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: the other great punters of NFL history better name I

652
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: think that might be. And he was on the Raiders

653
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: won a lot of games, but they used the number

654
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: one draft pick on him, and it is it's important

655
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to have a punter in there because that, you know,

656
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: it has to be give hope to other punchers in

657
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: the future. Ray Guy got in. Maybe I can that

658
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: is important. There dreams have been crushed as they're just

659
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: punting alone. Why are you not letting punchers people? No,

660
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to every year there's a surprise, uh

661
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: speech that is like really fun and emotional. You've never

662
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: really thought about that person before Ray Guy, after being

663
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: let out all this time, first punter, he's a good

664
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Speaker 1: candidate to make that speech. Wesleyan is right, the first

665
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: ever punter to be selected in the first round. Yes,

666
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: and the only how long has that worked down for kickers?

667
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Behind John Stannard, By the way, they're watching him getting

668
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, John Hall is still waiting for

669
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Speaker 1: his name to come up, waiting for maybe Sea Bass,

670
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: another Raider's first round pick will be the next Hall

671
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: of Fame kicker. And by the way, even though Ray

672
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: Guy is going into the Hall and had a great career,

673
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: you can't still convince me too much that using the

674
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: first round pick on him was the right move. Come on,

675
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: pick on a punter, get out of here. Uh And

676
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: by the way, Michael Strahan, the guy inducting him is

677
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Jay Glazer. Interest they are there, they are legitimately, they've

678
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: been like best friends for a decade. A little bit

679
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: of a stretch though for first but they are. They're tight,

680
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: They're super tight. They're I'm sure they're friends. I have

681
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of close friends that maybe I wouldn't have

682
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: them give a speech if I made the Hall of Fame, Well,

683
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: you usually have someone that was a teammate or a

684
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: coach paid to speak. That's his job. Do we want

685
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: to say anything about straight hands football ability, You're gonna

686
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Speaker 1: go Warren Sap. Straight hand? Uh? For a guy who

687
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: was a four three in pass rusher, was one of

688
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: also one of the better run stuff stuffers for a

689
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: defensive end and had a variety of moves. He was

690
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: hard for guys like John running Eagles tackle to deal

691
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: with his speed and power combination. And he had an

692
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: interesting career because he had such a slow start to it.

693
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: People forget that his first four or five years he

694
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: was kind of an average starter that didn't get a

695
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of attention. He came on very strongly. I do

696
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: find it interesting that Warrant Stapp got the love of

697
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the first time Hall of Fame that and they made

698
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: straight hand wait a year, and that it sort of

699
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: feels right, even though if you're a Hall of Famer

700
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: you're all of favor, it feels right. I think Sap

701
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: redefined that that three technique defensive tackle position. You say, Greg,

702
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, and you know what that means,

703
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: and whether um, you know, being named for his ballot

704
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: as a special honor. And guess what we're gonna talk

705
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Speaker 1: about it right now. I have a post that I

706
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Speaker 1: planned to write for the Around the League side at

707
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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash Around the League, but I wanted

708
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Speaker 1: to crowdsource it out to the the experts of the

709
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: NFL that I do this great podcast. Let's see your

710
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the issue. Uh so, I wanna let

711
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: me just throw out some names I think our first

712
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: ballot guys that are in the NFL right now. And

713
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Speaker 1: the only guideline I want to throw out is if

714
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Speaker 1: they announced tomorrow that their career was over, would they

715
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Speaker 1: get in. So no, you can't like say, oh, well

716
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: this guy will be good another five years or another year.

717
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Um no, if it ended now, is he in the

718
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's harsh, high guidelines. It's a it's

719
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: a tight five the list for me, and it is

720
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, Drew Brees, and Bill Belichick.

721
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: So it's only active players. Somebody like Ed Reid does

722
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: not count, does not count career ends today I would

723
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: have for me. The voting in the Hall is strange,

724
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: but I would vote all those guys. Yes, I'm going

725
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: yes on all of those guys. Drew Brees is the

726
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: only one that just raised my eyebrows that maybe there'd

727
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: be a chance if his career ended today. What you

728
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: said that he wouldn't be a first ballot Hall of

729
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: Famer super Bowl win. Eight quarterbacks have thrown for eight times.

730
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Someone's thrown for five thousand yards. He's done it for.

731
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: No one else has done more than one. Only six

732
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have thrown completion percentage of season. He did it twice. Well,

733
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: stats are always going to be waited towards quarterbacks and

734
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: passing in this here. I think if you kind of

735
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: say the Drew Brees of the eighties or the nineties

736
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: or the seventies, are those guys first ballot Hall of Famers,

737
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: especially if his career for some reason ended right here

738
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: at this age, those guys really aren't. He's always been

739
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: like the third and Drew Brees, Warren Moon. No, well,

740
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: he's like, uh, the best parts of War and Moon

741
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: and damn Fouts. Plus with a Super Bowl, he want

742
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: to super be a first ballot I'm just you was

743
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: the only one that stuck out the other. I think

744
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: all know, but you're like the New Orleans Homer. You're

745
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: saying his career is just shut down all of a

746
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: sudden at thirty five. It took him about four or

747
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Speaker 1: five years to get going it. And all I'm saying

748
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Speaker 1: is that name to the others. But he'll, of course

749
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Speaker 1: they'll be a first ballot once he has a few

750
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Speaker 1: more years. All right, here's my list, very close, five

751
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: more names. So when I say this, um, their production

752
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: maybe just falls short of first ballot if their career ended.

753
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: But then if you did take that cap off and

754
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: and try to say, all right, these guys are gonna

755
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: play a few more years, can they do it? Here

756
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: we go Troy Paulamalu, Ben Roethlisberger, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne,

757
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: and Shampa Bailey. I think Paulo, Malo and Bailey are

758
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of famers right now. I think it's

759
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: odd that you have Reggie Wayne on there but not

760
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson, who's been the better player. M This is

761
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: why you throw it out. Dan will be revising his

762
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: article post taste. But Larry Fitzgerald, I think it's hard

763
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: to say if you cut his career off now, but

764
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: his on page. Stat's always broke records for the youngest

765
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: to do this, the youngest to do that, and voters

766
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: are always going to remember that postseason, which was the

767
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: best in NFL history by a wide receiver, greatest if

768
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: you maxed him and Breeze up for instance. Again, Fitzgerald

769
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: is much younger, though, but I agree it's it's Fitzgerald

770
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: is on pace to be that first ballot guy to

771
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Speaker 1: be Whatever Paulo, Malo and Bailey do the rest of

772
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: their career is almost incidental because they're at the stage

773
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Speaker 1: where they're well past their peak. And man Tamp Bailey, Paulo,

774
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Troy Polo especially, I just kind to see those guys

775
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: going in right away. I wonder if I I would

776
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: vote for Roethlisberger out of the gate, but I I

777
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: would vote for a lot more people than some voters do.

778
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: It seems. I wonder if he may have to wait

779
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: a little bit, despite the fact that he won multiple

780
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and has been the guy forever. Why do

781
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: you think that, I don't know, I just a strange

782
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: sense that maybe right his numbers, I mean, statistically he's

783
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: not well After he wins, that will then that conversation.

784
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: But the season just ended. Right now, I think he's

785
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: rated fairly in this, but he is a guy that

786
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: you figure as long as he doesn't get hurt, he

787
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: would be a first ballot type of guy. To uh,

788
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: total disclosure, I forgot about Andre Johnson's safe pace. He's

789
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: in the very close category. Thanks guys, no attack there.

790
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: I like that, all right, this is now the next category.

791
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: That was a fatal one. But yeah, well it's not

792
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: as bad as what Zach did before a sack right

793
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: now on the right path. These are guys that haven't

794
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: been in the league long enough to be first ballt

795
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, So obviously they're not going to make

796
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: it with their career ended. But now you try to say,

797
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: if these guys continue to do what they've done in

798
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the beginning of their career, they could be first ballot

799
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers. Here's a little longer list. Calvin Johnson, J. J. Watt,

800
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Darrell Revis, Lashawn McCoy, A J. Green, Joe Thomas,

801
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, Richard Sherman, and Earl Thomas. What are you

802
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: laughing at? Well, just at a certain point it just

803
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: felt like names were falling on me. And I just couldn't,

804
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: couldn't think anywhere. There's too many who doesn't deserve to

805
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: be there. No, none, It was just too many names

806
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: to come on your professional well. J. J. Watts so early.

807
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: You're right, of course he's pace, but it's played three years.

808
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, Aaron Rodgers, and Darrelle Revis stand out from

809
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: that crowd and belong in the very close category. I agree, Okay,

810
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, are you okay

811
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: too overwhelmed to go through that great well? To me, Rogers,

812
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: for instance, and Breezes don't have that big of different

813
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: resumes even right now, I'd take Rathlisberger over Breeze now

814
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: that I think about it. Um. In the first ballot,

815
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: I put the bolt in very close. Um Lashawn McCoy

816
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: sticks out to me that yeah, he's on the right

817
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: path and Charles are on the right path. But I

818
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: feel like they have a way to go, and that's

819
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: a position where the numbers aren't in their favorite It's

820
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: almost harder for running backs. Again, it's way too early

821
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: on running backs because their careers can end at any time.

822
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why you had Chris Ivory on

823
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: that list. Listen. I didn't want to say, but I

824
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: just felt it had to put him. This is an

825
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: interest when you gotta figure he should be in that

826
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: in the one above in the Yeah, I want to

827
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: see him come back fully from the knee injury before

828
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: I do that. But man, he's done a lot. He's

829
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: done already. Yeah, he had three years. Is one of

830
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: the best cornerbacks in That's the thing. Like a guy

831
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: like Champ Bailey, he never had a peak, and I

832
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: mean Andre Reid, Anius Williams, even Michael Strahand, they never

833
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: had a peak. Like Darrell Reevus had a peak or

834
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Nobody that's getting elected in the whole Fame

835
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: at a peak like Drells. Nobody in this year's class.

836
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: That's true. Well, Walter Jones is all right, Maybe Walter

837
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: and then first ballot guys, but they can potentially make

838
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame with a late push. So this

839
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: is a different group category. But just for fun, I'll

840
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: throw out some names, and there are going to be

841
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: names I miss on this. I did this pretty quickly

842
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: before the show, but this is the names that popped

843
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: out to me. Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, DeMarcus Ware, Eli

844
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: man DeMarcus Ware a way up to live where to me,

845
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: I would say he is almost there. Eli Manning, Jared what, Sorry,

846
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: that's my reaction. Yeah, they belong to Justin Tuck and

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan one of those Eli Manning conspiracy theorists West, Well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play that well. I would say the first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP goes to Jeff Eagels because he was

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Speaker 1: punched in ridiculous that game in the Giants punch. I

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Speaker 1: just he belongs on the list because there aren't how

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Speaker 1: many two times Super Bowl m vps are not in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I'm just if we're predicting what's

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Speaker 1: actually gonna happen. Eli Manning probably doesn't have to do

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Speaker 1: that much more to get through that room, even though

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Speaker 1: I personally disagree with that and I feel the same

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Speaker 1: way as you guys, but I do I can see

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Speaker 1: if he makes it late career push where he gets

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Speaker 1: his career back on track and puts up some good numbers,

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Speaker 1: and you know, God, if they want to put the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, I'll never step foot in that building.

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Speaker 1: And I'm continue to drink. They're not losing. I never

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Speaker 1: said again. I just said people and Canton are going

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Speaker 1: to hear this and start scrambling. It's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get West of this building. Next year you're

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Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame game. We gotta get

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Speaker 1: West Lint to Canton. You'll love it before eli elift

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Speaker 1: career is over. And the bottom two names on the list,

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Speaker 1: I think um West is Scoff covered up one of them,

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Speaker 1: Jared Allen. And then there are two more. Two Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: favorites just happened to be next to each other. Saxon. No,

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Speaker 1: not Fred Jackson or J. P. Lasson. Uh, Frank Gore

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Speaker 1: and Roddy White. No chance Roddy White? Really wait? Why

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Speaker 1: no chance Roddy White? But we talked about and he

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Speaker 1: hasn't even had as good career as Chance Johnson. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough to get into. Also, no Dwight Freeney. Well,

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Speaker 1: Roddy White's younger than you think though, if he had

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Speaker 1: another four or five good years, and that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what Dan saying, he's on the Chair Johnson career path.

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore Johnson flamed out though he was That's why

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Speaker 1: he was wearing that fake jacket. He was a guy

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Speaker 1: heading towards that, and then he just completely fell off

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Speaker 1: the clip. My goal is to be in that room

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Speaker 1: by the time Frank Gore's name comes up. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: you know what love to I would really love. They

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Speaker 1: don't allow NFL employees though career goal. If Jake Glazer

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Speaker 1: can give a speech, you could do it for the

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Speaker 1: inconcern convenient truth we've never actually spoken. That might be

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Speaker 1: a hurdles. You need to read the story about Floyd

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Speaker 1: Little in his presenter. Oh, that will give you some inspiration.

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Speaker 1: That's right. He let the guy who basically tirelessly campaigned

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Speaker 1: for Floyd Little for some reason. Without that guy, Floyd

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Speaker 1: Little would have never gotten in. That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: The seeds are there. Oh. Oh, by the way, Frank

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Speaker 1: Gore has that a better career than Floyd Little. True,

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Speaker 1: but also this man was a little more maniacally possessed

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Speaker 1: about the whole Hall of Fame process thing you will

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Speaker 1: ever be. I'm young. Al right, gentlemen. That's it for

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Speaker 1: today's edition of the Around the League Podcast. We will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with three more shows. As training

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Speaker 1: camp rolls on, and as I hinted earlier, I think

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Speaker 1: we might have our first nomination for Team of a

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Speaker 1: t L in two thousand fourteen, so get excited for that,

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Speaker 1: But would do a little talk about when Greg's toast

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Speaker 1: or whether that game is gonna come back at some

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Speaker 1: point this summer. It seems like a debate has to

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Speaker 1: be had about that. The gold Standard Report, of course,

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Speaker 1: put a rule into the books here at a t

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Speaker 1: L before he left that Greg can only sit on

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Speaker 1: the toaster for so long. So let's we're gonna hold

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Speaker 1: on that conversation until next week. But something to get into,

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Speaker 1: but for now we are leaving. Have a nice weekend everyone.

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Speaker 1: This is Dan Hansons signing off for the Sizzler, the Maleman,

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Speaker 1: the Boss, and Zachariah