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Speaker 1: she's shot in the head for Hayden Burkabiles viewing pleasure.

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Speaker 1: to reporter Cole Sullivan wb I R ten. When Chaz

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Speaker 1: nineteen year old Grace and Sparks shot herself in the

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Speaker 1: says Hayden Burkabile and Sparks had a relationship since before

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Speaker 1: Hayden Burkabile twenty nine is described as a bd SM

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Speaker 1: Joining me Christy, Missouri, Emmy Award winning Investigative Reporter, President

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Speaker 1: vet Patch Digital Forensics at pacttech dot Com. Doctor Kiindnell

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Speaker 1: You know how hard, how difficult it is to become

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Speaker 1: She is the author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law

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Speaker 1: and Psychology Intersect. Randy Kessler joining me, renowned Atlanta trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: former chairman of the ABA Family Law Section, and author

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Speaker 1: got a lot of experienced war stories of relationships gone wrong,

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Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Sherry Warts, you know there's a

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Speaker 1: and he said, I want to kill you, that's all

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Speaker 1: this case? Well, what you're gonna do is you're going

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Speaker 1: all the wrong paths. Absolutely, and we can't underestimate that.

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Speaker 1: This makes us have to really consider that Burkabile is

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Speaker 1: grooming can can go on and take many forms for

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Speaker 1: a long time. These individuals don't typically lead with the

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Speaker 1: BDSM sex master thing on their resume. They build up

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Speaker 1: was he doing? Have her performed this team girl performs

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Speaker 1: sex acts on like Sky or what'sapp WhatsApp. That's what

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Speaker 1: pattern of this type of video being sent back and

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Speaker 1: before he said, I want to kill you. She asked him,

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Speaker 1: and that was his response, I want to kill you.

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Speaker 1: Sullivan at ten News in late September. The detective says

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Speaker 1: Birkabile told her I want to kill you, and he

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Speaker 1: was video chatting with her our FaceTime when she pulled

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Speaker 1: the trigger. They're going to look forensically at all of

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Speaker 1: the data that's available, both from their respective cellular devices

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Speaker 1: his actions and by his words. A grand jury indicted

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Speaker 1: Burkobile for a negligent homicide and false reporting. The trial

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Speaker 1: from Grace Enspark's death. Face convict. The false reporting charge

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Speaker 1: actually carries more prison time than criminally negligent homicide. I

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Speaker 1: means you could spend two to eight years in prison,

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Speaker 1: so he would actually do more time on false reporting

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Speaker 1: than he would be and coercing, aiding and abetting this

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Speaker 1: Police say Hayden Burkabile and Grace Anne Sparks have had

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Speaker 1: They communicated off and using messaging apps, and visited each

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Speaker 1: other before she died. As police look at more than

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Speaker 1: two years of electronic communication between the pair, it becomes

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Speaker 1: evident that Sparks has been talking to Berkabile online for years,

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Speaker 1: possibly since she was thirteen years old at that time.

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Speaker 1: Sparks is obviously a juvenile, but Burkabile, ten years older,

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Speaker 1: was an adult. Randy Kesser, why can't he be also

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Speaker 1: prosecuted for child bees convincing a thirteen year old girl

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Speaker 1: to perform sex acts on video live? I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: like a cam girl, for Pete's sake. There's a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of things. And did he distribute any pictures? Did?

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Speaker 1: I mean? I'm sure there's a lot more there. This

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Speaker 1: seems like most dramatic and the most the most jury

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Speaker 1: appeal that what he actually he made her do. I

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Speaker 1: mean this is a there are probably a lot of

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Speaker 1: charges that are underneath this, and I think you're exactly

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Speaker 1: right there should explore all that two to eight here.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like enough, guys, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut eight once again. Dave Matt Crime Online. Knoxville

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Speaker 1: Police say Hayden Burkobile is a twenty nine year old

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Speaker 1: Indiana man encouraging Grace Sparks to kill herself for his

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Speaker 1: viewing pleasure. Investigators describe Burkabile as a BDSM sexual master

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Speaker 1: who exerted sexual control over Sparks. Sworn search Warren affidavit

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Speaker 1: states that this control caused Sparks to engage in dangerous

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Speaker 1: and demeaning acts. The affidavit also states that on the

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Speaker 1: day that Sparks died, Burkabyle told her I want to

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Speaker 1: kill you. That's all I effing won to eighteen girl.

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Speaker 1: He's been taking advantage of sexually since she's thirteen years old.

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Speaker 1: And as I told you, I told you all about

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Speaker 1: the Michelle Carter case. For Michelle Carter insisted Conrad Roy

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Speaker 1: commit suicide, and he did, and she was prosecuted and convicted.

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Speaker 1: And there's another case taking listen to our cut seventeen

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Speaker 1: and these are our friends at CBS in Young You

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Speaker 1: stood silently as a prosecutor read dozens of profanity filled

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Speaker 1: text messages that she said. The twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: sent to her boyfriend Alexander or Tula literally, I want

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Speaker 1: to bash her head against the wall. Thank go hit

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Speaker 1: your head on Saint repeatedly. The former Boston College student

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Speaker 1: is accused of physically, emotionally and psychologically abusing or Tula

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Speaker 1: through text messages, which drove him to take his own

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Speaker 1: life on his graduation day last May. The defendants abuse

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Speaker 1: was the awesome mister or Tula's suicide. Over the course

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Speaker 1: of the last two months of their eighteen month relationship,

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Speaker 1: the couple exchanged more than seventy five thousand text messages,

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Speaker 1: more than half were sent from you. Prosecutors say she

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Speaker 1: constantly drove the talk of suicide repeatedly, texting or Tula

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Speaker 1: to go die, and in another text, she wrote, do

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Speaker 1: everyone a favor and go effing kill yourself. Prosecutors say

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Speaker 1: Tula jump. They say she knew he was there for

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Speaker 1: nearly an hour because she tracked his phone location, but

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Speaker 1: never learned anyone to intervene in his suicide. There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. She's the devil's minion. What does the

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Speaker 1: mother of Grace Anne Sparks have to say? Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from WB I R ten.

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Speaker 1: Candice says there's a lesson for every parent in Grace

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Speaker 1: Anne's story. When you give your kid a smartphone, you're

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Speaker 1: essentially giving them a plane ticket to anywhere in the

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Speaker 1: world world, an unsupervised plane ticket. Two years after her

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Speaker 1: daughter's death, Candice chooses to remember Grace Anne as the

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Speaker 1: girl who could light up any room. There's no end

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Speaker 1: to what she could have accomplished. I want her to

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Speaker 1: be remembered as a light. She was a light in

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Speaker 1: a world that sometimes was really dark. If you think

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Speaker 1: someone you know is suicidal or contemplating suicide, please call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred two seven three eight two five five eight

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Speaker 1: hundred two seven three eight two five five, Please act

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good Bye Friend,