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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your prediction of I hier radio. All right,

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Speaker 1: then you have a question for you for today's a

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Speaker 1: Monday Mini. Do you remember the first protest you ever

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Speaker 1: took part in and what it was for? Yes, I protested.

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Speaker 1: I was in seventh grade, two thousand two. Seventh grade. Wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I protested against. I believe it was Afghanistan, like the

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Speaker 1: violence in the Middle East and like the war they

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Speaker 1: were all talking about, like, oh, we're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: a war in I rock and maybe Afghanistan. And I

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Speaker 1: was in my small town de Laonaga, and I brought

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Speaker 1: to own nuts and I was the hit of the protest.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you went yes. And then I protested pretty

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Speaker 1: soon after about like environmental thing, but that got shut

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Speaker 1: down because there was this big push to go around

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Speaker 1: writing your bike naked. It was it wasn't just me

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Speaker 1: that came up with this idea. It was a thing

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Speaker 1: that was happening, but anyway got down. Yeah, that's that's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. So I think the first protest that I

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Speaker 1: actually was a part of was the beginning of Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter and the Trayvon Martin protests, especially with the acquittal,

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Speaker 1: and I remember I was really scared because I was

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Speaker 1: working for the Department of jubil Justice and there is

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Speaker 1: a part in our contract that states that we cannot

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Speaker 1: be a part of anything that looks like it's trying

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Speaker 1: to overthrow the government, which, by the way, still trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out how people are able to participate with

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Speaker 1: the riot and not fired. Confused because that was a

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Speaker 1: blatant part of our state contract and as in fact,

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Speaker 1: apparently it has something to do with federal grants as well.

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Speaker 1: They get money by having people signed this and making

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Speaker 1: sure to allow that it also goes with like the

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Speaker 1: unionization and all of that within the government agency. So

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Speaker 1: I remember being really kind of scared, but feeling like

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Speaker 1: it was so important that I had to be there,

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Speaker 1: but definitely shying away from all the cameras. No Gibby here.

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Speaker 1: But I remember just like the commandery and then the

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Speaker 1: overall feel that it still wasn't enough. Yeah, but at

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Speaker 1: the that time, that's all I feel like I could do.

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Speaker 1: And today, friends, we are actually going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the continued protests in Poland. But it's been several several

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Speaker 1: days since the protest as a women's strike movement has

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Speaker 1: taken back the streets once again to protest Poland's current

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Speaker 1: almost total ban in the country. Yeah, and we talked

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Speaker 1: in a previous episode on what was known as one

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Speaker 1: of the largest pro abortions rates protests in the country

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Speaker 1: due to the possibility of the ultio conservative administration's proposal

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Speaker 1: of the near total ban on abortion. But now as

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Speaker 1: we've hit this new year running, the law has been

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Speaker 1: ruled by the Constitutional Tribunal, which is made up of

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Speaker 1: those appointed by the Conservative Party of Law and Justice

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Speaker 1: are the p I S and published to come into effect. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: the current ruling party of Poland, known as the Law

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Speaker 1: and Justice Party or p I S, came into power

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Speaker 1: in with the promise of quote returned to more conservative

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Speaker 1: social norms and has expected. Abortion is one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest and highly divisive issue within this predominantly Catholic country,

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Speaker 1: and the Law and Justice Party made sure to take

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Speaker 1: up that home just as a reminder. Though there are

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Speaker 1: only one thousand legal abortions a year in Poland, women's

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Speaker 1: organizations estimate the number of annual illegal abortions or abortions

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Speaker 1: obtained abroad could be as high as eighty thousand to one,

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Speaker 1: and twenty thousand of those one thousand legal abortions of

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Speaker 1: them were granted due to severe fetal defect, which is

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Speaker 1: a reason this new ruling has done away with. So

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Speaker 1: it's getting rid of that, which means that the only

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Speaker 1: legal justifications for abortion as this goes into effect are

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Speaker 1: the women's life and health if it's at risk, or

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Speaker 1: if the pregnancy was due to reap or incest right,

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Speaker 1: and of course there still more stipulations on top of that,

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Speaker 1: and just put in here. Since October, which was when

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Speaker 1: published and put into effect, many of the doctors, even

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Speaker 1: though it hadn't come into effect quite yet, we're afraid

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Speaker 1: to eat do any abortions at all. So they stopped

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Speaker 1: altogether because they were afraid that they would be fined

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Speaker 1: or at risk to be jailed, which is also a

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Speaker 1: part of this new law that if any doctors are

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Speaker 1: found to do in quote illegal abortion, they will be jailed.

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Speaker 1: So that's something to think on too. And the Polish

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Speaker 1: Constitution Tribunal justified its ruling which framed it as quote

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Speaker 1: being about defending the life and an unborn child, so

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Speaker 1: that was the unconstitutional ruling of why they should be

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Speaker 1: done with, and Polish legislators made sure to push the

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Speaker 1: narrative to include language like child and mother rather than

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Speaker 1: feed us and practical what woman when talking about abortioned.

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Speaker 1: Obviously this is an attack and a narrative that is

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Speaker 1: often used as a strategy to villain nice those who

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Speaker 1: are pro abortion. Right now, five of the fifteen judges

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Speaker 1: but the mere justification of it. And so after this

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Speaker 1: Constitutional Tribunal published it, the government published the ruling, which

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Speaker 1: effectively makes it into law right um, and this band

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Speaker 1: has been the first change that's been made since n

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Speaker 1: in Poland, which was already fairly restrictive. And of course

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Speaker 1: this sparked the nationwide protests in October, though it seemed

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Speaker 1: perhaps an opportunity to discuss and further debate the ruling,

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Speaker 1: the ruling was published, making the band law, and I

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Speaker 1: know the leaders did have a meeting, but apparently not

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Speaker 1: the centrist or the left leaning parties. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of like, hey, we're having a meeting, Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: But no nobody of note who would be in the

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Speaker 1: side of pro abortion was present. Right protests have continued

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Speaker 1: as thousands of activists have come together to relly against

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Speaker 1: the ruling and the law. Many of the activists have

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Speaker 1: said that this is not only about abortion and the

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Speaker 1: rights of people who can get pregnant, but also about

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Speaker 1: the deeper implications of limiting human rights altogether. Right. Um,

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Speaker 1: one day one o six and the protests began in October,

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Speaker 1: the people of Poland continue even the arrest and threats

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Speaker 1: have been made by the government. On Thursday, January, at

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Speaker 1: least fourteen people were detained, including one of the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the Women's Strike organization that helped organize the protest,

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Speaker 1: clemented us huhanof who was released on Saturday, January thirty.

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Speaker 1: And she was charged and found guilty in a very

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Speaker 1: quick trial, including charges for trespassing and for nailing a

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Speaker 1: poster to a door at the Constitional Court and warsaw

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Speaker 1: she have put up a poster with the celebration of

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Speaker 1: the new abortion laws in Argentina, which we recently talked about,

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Speaker 1: as well as a way of expressing hope that Poland

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Speaker 1: would also follow suit. The protesters have been met with

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Speaker 1: police barricades and pepper spray, but they still persist. The

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Speaker 1: government has not made any statements in regards to the

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Speaker 1: new round of protests all over the nation, but they

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Speaker 1: seem to continue to hold onto the statement released in

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Speaker 1: October when they said people protesting the abortion band were

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Speaker 1: quote criminals and that their actions were irresponsible during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: though they didn't seem to regard the band coming during

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Speaker 1: a pandemic and limiting reproductive healthcare at this time as

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Speaker 1: irresponsible right um and There's a support for the protests

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Speaker 1: around the world, including those near them. Many organizations have

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Speaker 1: come together to help fund transport or accompany many of

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Speaker 1: those seeking safe abortions outside of Poland, such as going

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Speaker 1: to countries where abortion is legal, specifically Argentina, as well

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Speaker 1: as those who have come to protest with them in Poland.

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Speaker 1: But for those of us who can't be there, there

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Speaker 1: are ways to help, including bringing a recognition to what

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Speaker 1: is happening, as well as financially supporting the women's strike organizations,

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Speaker 1: which we will put a link up too soon, but

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Speaker 1: they are still protesting and and definitely still needing those

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Speaker 1: to shine a light on what's happening in Poland. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and as always, if there are any resources you want

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Speaker 1: us to shout out, or if anyone's in Poland and

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Speaker 1: wants to share your experience of what's going on, please

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Speaker 1: our super producer Christina. Thank you, thank you, thank you,

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